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  • Paul Pierce_OS
    Don't Kill My Vibe
    • Sep 2011
    • 4626

    #1

    Lead Passing is it a cheese if used in moderation??

    Was looking at the forums today and saw someone posted something about cheesing and lead passing.... I looked it up then found this Cheesier showing people how to do it...(not posting the video for obvious reasons) Now i looked at it and googled the same thing expect for real life basketball found this: http://www.sportplan.net/drills/Bask...Lead-Pass****p so do you think lead passing is a cheese if one uses it in moderation...

    P.s. Sim Ball for life...(I don't cheese at all)
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  • CX1329
    MVP
    • Jan 2005
    • 1304

    #2
    Re: Lead Passing is it a cheese if used in moderation??

    Lead passing exists in basketball and it happens all the time. The problem lies in people abusing it and exploiting the game mechanics. So, I don't see anything inherently wrong with it.

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    • Paul Pierce_OS
      Don't Kill My Vibe
      • Sep 2011
      • 4626

      #3
      Re: Lead Passing is it a cheese if used in moderation??

      Originally posted by CX1329
      Lead passing exists in basketball and it happens all the time. The problem lies in people abusing it and exploiting the game mechanics. So, I don't see anything inherently wrong with it.
      Good Point any others have care to share their opinions
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      • coolcras7
        MVP
        • Sep 2009
        • 2337

        #4
        Re: Lead Passing is it a cheese if used in moderation??

        Originally posted by CX1329
        Lead passing exists in basketball and it happens all the time. The problem lies in people abusing it and exploiting the game mechanics. So, I don't see anything inherently wrong with it.
        People abuse it because 2k made it way to easy for guys to get into the paint and in position to score because of bad help defend logic and bad player rotation, players should have to fight for position, so far the demo gives me hope that lead pass will be harder to exploit and when it happens it would result in a more realistic outcome positive or negative.
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        • Vni
          Hall Of Fame
          • Sep 2011
          • 14833

          #5
          Re: Lead Passing is it a cheese if used in moderation??

          I think everyone uses it from time to time.

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          • iceberg0982
            Rookie
            • Sep 2011
            • 13

            #6
            I agree with VNI, people use it from time to time. It can also lead to open jumpshots, not just layups and dunks.

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            • clipperfan811
              Pro
              • Oct 2002
              • 876

              #7
              Re: Lead Passing is it a cheese if used in moderation??

              Some people really do take the sim thing way too far, as in you're playing a game "sim" all game, running plays, mixing up your shot selection (mid range, 3's, drives, post up) then you do one lead pass or one spin dunk and all a sudden you're being cursed out and accused of murdering babies.

              Look you can't play in a tiny little box. To me as long as you're playing in a way that resembles the game in real life I'm happy.

              I've had guys post up at the high post back down and trigger the spin dunk like 5 times in a row or sit under the basket and pump fake 15 times in a row. That type of stuff is what really kills the experience for me because it's such a blatant tactic to play cheap.

              If a guy is new to the sport/game and the only play he understands is how to pick and roll and the rest of the time he's working iso's I'm fine with playing against him, especially if we're talking and he's being cool.

              To me it's more of the attitude people have while playing whether that's by how they're talking or if it shines through in the way they play.

              A small example:
              I played a ranked game a couple of days ago (no headsets so no talking) where the guy did a pretty nice move with Nash and hit a 3 and he goes into the instant replay, my initial reaction was "wow this guy's a d-bag". So my focus immediately intensified and a few plays later I had a pretty sick little highlight of my own; the guy goes into the replay to watch it which sort of told me ok this guy isn't doing the replay thing to try to rub it in, he just likes to replay those wow plays. The game went down to the wire back and forth and I ended up losing by 2 when I missed a last second 3. After the game I typed "awesome game you were big down the stretch" and he responded with "yeah that was great, we should get in another game sometime" and he sent me a friend request.
              The point is that if I was totally closed minded and tried to analyze that game play by play to see if he ever did anything "not sim" and stuck him into some box for me to throw in a fire pit I would have missed out on having a really fun, competitive game and possibly more in the future.

              I know this is getting really long so I'll finish it up.

              In almost all situations there are two extreme sides that hate each other and can easily make a case against one another, it's easy because they're both blind on account of following their philosophy. You have to be open minded and smart enough to see what bits each side's positives and negatives are. From there, take the good things and just be respectful.

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              • mylifeishid
                Rookie
                • Sep 2011
                • 160

                #8
                Re: Lead Passing is it a cheese if used in moderation??

                How many times can somebody run a lead pass play before it becomes cheese? Doing it every other possession might be to much, but even in that case, IRL would a coach not run a play because it's too effective?

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                • Knickerbocker
                  Pro
                  • Apr 2011
                  • 508

                  #9
                  Re: Lead Passing is it a cheese if used in moderation??

                  Originally posted by mylifeishid
                  How many times can somebody run a lead pass play before it becomes cheese? Doing it every other possession might be to much, but even in that case, IRL would a coach not run a play because it's too effective?
                  Real life physics are not flawed ... well except for MJ ...
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                  • CX1329
                    MVP
                    • Jan 2005
                    • 1304

                    #10
                    Re: Lead Passing is it a cheese if used in moderation??

                    One thing I do find funny is that many times I see something being called cheese here, only to see the exact same thing being done in the real NBA a few days later. Being a sim player myself, I find cheese ridiculous. However, there needs to be a consensus on what cheese truly is, because people are too quick to call legit plays or events cheese at times.

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                    • clipperfan811
                      Pro
                      • Oct 2002
                      • 876

                      #11
                      Re: Lead Passing is it a cheese if used in moderation??

                      Originally posted by mylifeishid
                      How many times can somebody run a lead pass play before it becomes cheese? Doing it every other possession might be to much, but even in that case, IRL would a coach not run a play because it's too effective?
                      I agree with this and we've all seen guys make a career out of a patented shot (Kareems sky hook, Jordon's baseline fade away) essentially moves that are unguardable. Of course these guys had counter moves as well and that sort of how I play IRL and in 2k.

                      I'm not a huge guy (6' 2" maybe 190lbs) but sometimes that makes me bigger and stronger than my match up, to where I could just over power and back in for an easy 2 every time down. but I've worked on my post moves over the years so I might do a quick spin on one play, turn face and drive the next, turn face drive and an up and under the next and so on. I enjoy mixing it up and in the process showing the skills I've worked on.

                      That's what I like to do and see when I play 2k, show me that you're playing chess with me out there, mixing it up. Just do it with an ounce of respect.

                      There are two ways to talk trash one is in a playful teasing/bragging rights way the other is a spiteful disrespectful way. The second just shows me you're so insecure you need to bring those around you down to the way you really feel. Those attitudes also come out in the way people play, one leads to fun all around, the other..... well doesn't

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                      • Scifidude1
                        Rookie
                        • Sep 2011
                        • 51

                        #12
                        Re: Lead Passing is it a cheese if used in moderation??

                        I define "cheesing" as "the act of exploiting a known weakness or glitch in the game's program code or AI, usually done frequently during a game".

                        Forced lead passing is something I personally don't do and have serious reservations about.
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                        • mylifeishid
                          Rookie
                          • Sep 2011
                          • 160

                          #13
                          Re: Lead Passing is it a cheese if used in moderation??

                          I think part of the fun is trying to stop the other person from scoring, it becomes a test of wills and individual playing strengths. If I'm losing by 1 with 15 sec left in the game, it's crazy to me that I know a pick and roll lead pass will win the game but refuse to run it because I've reached my allotment of "money plays".

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                          • justud
                            Rookie
                            • Jun 2005
                            • 96

                            #14
                            Re: Lead Passing is it a cheese if used in moderation??

                            at this point its a known exploit of the defense and its on the developers to address. it should be dealt with like full-court passes, the hopstep, spin-dunk and any other imbalance in the game mechanics.

                            exploits have to be eliminated in a reasonable time frame. the win at all costs nature of 95% of online players dictates this. if its still in 2K12 its 2K's fault, not some cheesers.

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                            • TheKasmar
                              Pro
                              • Aug 2009
                              • 955

                              #15
                              Re: Lead Passing is it a cheese if used in moderation??

                              Lead pass is just a part of the game to me. It's been a staple of 2k gaming for years. I wish 2k would completely revamp it, but until then it's just a major part of the game. The problem is everybody can lead pass in traffic with pinpont accuracy. Even in the demo, long ball lead passes are way too accurate.

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