Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

[l3ulvl]

Quote: Originally Posted by Dog

Thome should get in, but I don't think it'll be right away. Here's something to think about: Cliff Lee I don't think he'll get in, but if he does what he is doing now for 5+ years, do you think he would?

Tough call, it took so long into his career before he really took off. I wanna say no, but under your provision of maintaining a high level for 5+ years, well... we'll see I guess.

[kayfngee]

Quote: Originally Posted by jth1331

People vote no on Helton, but yes for Rolen?

Scott Rolen was the best full time third baseman of his generation. I really like Helton, but he probably isn't even in the top 3 best first basemen of this generation.

[kayfngee]

Quote: Originally Posted by TheMatrix31

Jorge should definitely get in. Jeter, Pettitte, Posada, and Rivera should all be 100% locks. Of course, Pettitte will have a hard time.

I say Jeter and Rivera are locks. I think Jorge has a good shot. I have a hard time buying Pettite though. He was good for a long time, but I never saw him as being dominant except for maybe two seasons. He got a lot of wins playing on a lot of really dominant offensive teams.

[55]

Quote: Originally Posted by l3ulvl

You guys have Thome in right?

With career numbers of .277/.403/.556 to go along with 600+ homers he is an absolute lock. Having a career OPS+ of 147 (better than A-Rod) certainly helps as well. I also believe that if the Indians didn't suck in 2002 that he should have been the AL MVP that year. It's still laughable that he finished in 7th. Disgusting.

The only way he doesn't get in is if he ends up failing a drug test at some point which is highly unlikely.

[loloben]

I don't think Rolen would get in because he rarely played a fully healthy season. Of Rolen's 16 seasons, he has only played 130 games in eight of them. I could definitely see Helton getting after a couple of years. These are his major stats
1,329 Runs Scored
2,363 Hits
554 Doubles
347 Home Runs
1,308 RBI's
1,256 Walks
.323 Career Batting Average
.421 OBP

[snepp]

Helton's numbers aren't nearly as impressive once ballpark is taken into account. There isn't much separating him from guys like Berkman, Olerud, Delgado, Clark, and McGriff. Excellent players all, but would you put all of them in?

Despite injuries taking a big bite out of his career, Rolen only has 600 fewer plate appearances than Helton does.

[The Big Squeezy]

Thome should be an absolute lock. Vizquel should also get in in my opinion. One of the best fielding shortstops of all time.

[DrJones]

No on Vizquel, yes on Thome. Though I'd have a few questions for the voters if they keep Piazza and Bagwell out due to 'roid suspicion but give Thome a pass. I met Thome (as well as his power-hitting contemporaries Giambi, Palmeiro, Sheffield, Bagwell, Thomas, L. Gonzalez, etc.) circa 2000 and up close he looked as ridiculously built as any of the others. If the BBWAA thinks Thome's merely "country strong", does that mean they think he would've hit 700-800 HR if juicing?