NBA 2K12 Player Ratings Revealed, Including All Free Agents

[blanchard48moh]

Quote: Originally Posted by yellow86

Rockets got shafted: Kevin Martin 79, really, does the 2k team even watch the NBA last year outside of ESPN, TNT / ABC ?? The rockets didn't play on national TV so maybe that's why. Also Scola a 77, really ? The guy tore up the latest tournament and was still very good. Just because his D is not that good and he's not athletic doesn't mean he should be rated this low. Lowry a 76 is the most mind boggling thing ever. The guy outdid himself and is going to be a great player. His outside shooting improved heavily, which you don't see that often after a few seasons, but still C+ here.

Kevin Martin is even more one-dimensional than Dirk, and Dirk does that dimension better.

Scola might be a little lower. But his ratings are that high based almost exclusively on skill level. His athletic ability and overall defense drop him below All-Star status.

Lowry has a one year sample as a great shooter. And he's a personal favorite. This might be your best case, but then, a guy like Tony Parker is an 80 and he's a much better point guard.

[ronyell]

Quote: Originally Posted by jeebs9

I think it has to with that CP3 gets more steals and probably has a higher defensive awareness.

Quote: Originally Posted by blanchard48moh

Chris Paul is just a better point guard. Which is no slight to Williams, because Williams is amazing. But Paul handles the pick and roll better, is quicker, and a better passer. But really, once you get to the level of Williams or Paul, you're really just nitpicking things.

2k weights steal rating very heavy in the PG & SG positions so that is very much so, one of the reasons that his overall is higher. i don't like how much steals are weighted in the overall of these positions but they do & CP3 is always in the top of the league in that department.

get out your 2k11 & lower Rondo to the minimum in steals only & watch how much his overall takes a hit...

CONVERSELY... can we PLEASE get a mod to get this thread in order... is this what OS has become? i come here to be informed... not argue SUBJECTIVE points for PAGES & PAGES without reading up on other points & information

[MikeBadge]

Quote: Originally Posted by blanchard48moh

my bad, I thought replying to your comment would also post his comment as well. The pace things sort of breaks down the other person's argument. Which is weak. You can bash the Heat all you want, but the fact remains they were in the NBA Finals in their first year together. How long did it take the Mavs?

They shot under 45% percent as a team in the playoffs. That was significantly lower than their regular season numbers and would have put them in the bottom 3rd of the league.

Not taking away from their success, they were the Eastern Conference Champs and the best team in the East last year. But again they were survived by superb defense and the fact the rest of the east was as bad as them offensively.

[ammofan]

Gerald Henderson should be higher.

[SouthBeach]

Quote: Originally Posted by MikeBadge

A little bit of miscommunication (my fault). I wast trying to say just because I dislike the Miami Heat doesn't mean I am wrong to believe LeBron and Wade are overrated and that the Miami Heat team was atrocious in the playoffs. To the Wade point yes I believe Wade can still be the top shooting guard in the league and be somewhat overrated (both his game rating and the actual view of the player). I believe he is overrated in the game for a few reasons: horrible three point shooter, only an above average mid range shooter, and not the great defender he is usually made out to be. I would assume 2K gave him ratings better than what he deserved in those categories and the 96 rating itself is too high when compared to the other legends. As far as how he is viewed in "real life" I believe he is overrated for the reasons I stated earlier: he struggles against good defenses and has had inconsistent stretches throughout his career. The greatness his numbers portray (at least before the LeBron era) were greatly affected by the fact he had the ball in his hands all the time which would be fine if he were delivering results. However after '06 his teams had little success and players such as Michael Beasley and Dorrel Wright became much better players once they got out of Miami and away from Wade.

Haha, okay. Well, now it makes more sense to me.

Wade demands the ball a lot more in order to be successful. Whereas, LeBron doesn't need the ball in his hands in order to have an impact on the game. From that standpoint, I can see why you say Wade is overrated.

After '06, Wade had his shoulder injury, Shaq was injured as well, leading to the downfall of a potential back-to-back championship contender. As much as LeBron lead Cleveland to the playoffs and finals year after year, Wade did the same with far less to work with.

SuperCool and Wright weren't able to grow with Wade commanding the ball. Beasley had his chances but often times, he would fade to black and cower behind the shadow of Wade.

[Tpitt85]

this is why CP3 is rated higher than Dwill ( In Charles Barkley Voice ) it's called D.E.F.E.N.S.E defense i maybe wrong but i doubt it

[SouthBeach]

Quote: Originally Posted by blanchard48moh

my bad, I thought replying to your comment would also post his comment as well. The pace things sort of breaks down the other person's argument. Which is weak. You can bash the Heat all you want, but the fact remains they were in the NBA Finals in their first year together. How long did it take the Mavs?

Haha, all good.

I mean, I'm always using that argument too. It's great to make it to the finals in your first year as a new team. But I still think Dallas will have Miami's number once again if certain people fail to show up when it matters; Wade included.

With the ratings being so controversial, some people forget that every player has a weakness that may contribute to lowering the ratings. We can all say that Rondo is probably one of the most unique point guards in the game. But we also know he's one of the worst shooters in the league.

So if he was rated a 75 overall, but a 99 in passing (what he does best in my opinion), would people be upset? Probably.

[TheAlmighty]

Quote: Originally Posted by Knickerbocker

Did you watch the Knicks last year? Some of Melos top performances? Like game 2(think it was that one) with the Celtics? That performance was legendary and his stats should be tuned in a way that it allows the user to get such performances from him. The problem with most such players like Melo (even Lebron) is a problem of mentality and psychology and until 2k mostly rates physical and skill attributes the ratings will look off. Same goes for the Mavs. Their chemistry and the experience coupled with their skills is what won them the championship. I'm sure 2K will develop an accurate psychological system for the next generation consoles. Maybe bring some sports psychologists in their crew. Should make everyone happy.

Yes, I am/was a fan of Melo until he went to play for the hype machine that is New York. I watched plenty of the Knicks. They have no defense and need to put up 100+ to even come close to winning against elite teams and defenses.

Melo is a great shooter and hit some clutch shots, but none of them really mattered in the grand scheme of things. He never emerged as a leader of that team.

You're right, mental/psychology should play a part in the ratings. LeBron is the most physically and athletically gifted player ever from the eyebrows down, but sometimes he's just not there mentally. He checks out. His clutch rating should be pretty low.

It's not that Melo is a terrible defender, so his perimeter D rating shouldn't be AWFUL, but a lot of times he checks out of defense and gets lazy. He's shoot first, ask questions last. So his D-awareness should be pretty low as well.

How does everybody feel about Lebron's outside shooting being an A-? That pretty much puts him on par with all of the pure 3-point shooters in the game...I don't know about that.