NBA 2K15 Player Rating - Andre Drummond (Overall 83)

[DonWuan]

Does it really matter if they play like themselves. As long as they don't look like Hakeem down low and shooting mid range jumpers.

[MikeBadge]

I understand we don't know too much about the rating system at this point but I'm not sure how Drummond gets to an 83 under any type of evaluation.

A lot of people are pointing to his ability to score it in the paint and his defensive presence but he is not as good at those things as it seems on at first glance.

Yes he shot 62 percent from the field but he literally took 17 shots outside of 8 feet last season. That's not a bad thing inherently -- that's how guys like DeAndre get theirs as well -- but when you look specifically at how he shot it at the rim he looks more above average than great. 30 players shot better at the rim than his 67 percent number and a lot of bigs were significantly better -- Brandan Wright shot 79 percent, and guys like Plumlee, DeAndre, Marc Gasol, Birdman, Griffin, Bosh, Terrance Jones, Bogut and Mike Scott were much better as well.

And while he was a decent shot blocker, he is a prime example of a shot blockers who too often get lost in NBA D-rotations to consistently be a solid anchor for their teams. Anybody who consistently watched Pistons games can attest to this. Players shot 53 percent at the rim against him which was fairly high among the most active defensive bigs in the league. There were a lot of bigs better than him in that regard and even teammate Greg Monroe did a better job defending against paint shots than him.

He doesn't have any real discernible skill outside of these (besides top level rebounding) and is more so a guy with big upside who hasn't capitalized at all on his potential yet. 83 seems high.

[stillfeelme]

Quote: Originally Posted by ojandpizza

But rebound % only takes into account the number of rebounds available to a player, which also falls a lot on how active a player is on the glass, how often he decides to chase a rebound that doesn't bounce right to him.. For example Roy Hibbertt has a relatively high rebound %, he does every season. Yet he's one of the worse rebounding guys over 7 feet in the league, averaging a little over 6 last year. Jordan averages a higher RPG average and a higher RP36 minute average than Drummond, even though Drummond has a better TR%.. This basically tells me that Jordan is more active on the glass, more like to go get a rebound if that makes sense. This is all just nitpicking anyways, they both should have damn near maxed out rebounding ratings.. Both have similar offensive ratings which is basically dunk only, I think the difference would be in defense which isn't a large difference but should be represented.. Though I doubt 2K has Jordan rated as high as Drummond. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Why wouldn't they be ranked about the same. They have strengths in about the same regions weaknesses in the same area. They are about as close as close can get. They defend about the same Jordan better shot blocker. Drummond better offense boards , defend about the same. can't shoot from outside.

[MikeBadge]

Quote: Originally Posted by ojandpizza

But rebound % only takes into account the number of rebounds available to a player, which also falls a lot on how active a player is on the glass, how often he decides to chase a rebound that doesn't bounce right to him.. For example Roy Hibbertt has a relatively high rebound %, he does every season. Yet he's one of the worse rebounding guys over 7 feet in the league, averaging a little over 6 last year. Jordan averages a higher RPG average and a higher RP36 minute average than Drummond, even though Drummond has a better TR%.. This basically tells me that Jordan is more active on the glass, more like to go get a rebound if that makes sense. This is all just nitpicking anyways, they both should have damn near maxed out rebounding ratings.. Both have similar offensive ratings which is basically dunk only, I think the difference would be in defense which isn't a large difference but should be represented.. Though I doubt 2K has Jordan rated as high as Drummond. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Not exactly how rebound% works. It is the percentage of rebounds a player gets out of every single rebound available while the player is on the court. Whether the player pursues the rebound or actually has a decent shot of getting it is irrelevant.

When a shot goes up, all 10 players have a rebound opportunity. Rebounding percentage is a measure of what percentage of rebound opportunities he actually grabs.

[ojandpizza]

Quote: Originally Posted by MikeBadge

Not exactly how rebound% works. It is the percentage of rebounds a player gets out of every single rebound available while the player is on the court. Whether the player pursues the rebound or actually has a decent shot of getting it is irrelevant. When a shot goes up, all 10 players have a rebound opportunity. Rebounding percentage is a measure of what percentage of rebound opportunities he actually grabs.

You're right, I'm thinking rebounding opportunities, which only accounts for rebounds with in 3.5 feet of the player. Which Jordan does have a higher rate of rebounds per opportunity, 70% compared to 69.2%..


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[ojandpizza]

Quote: Originally Posted by MikeBadge

I understand we don't know too much about the rating system at this point but I'm not sure how Drummond gets to an 83 under any type of evaluation. A lot of people are pointing to his ability to score it in the paint and his defensive presence but he is not as good at those things as it seems on at first glance. Yes he shot 62 percent from the field but he literally took 17 shots outside of 8 feet last season. That's not a bad thing inherently -- that's how guys like DeAndre get theirs as well -- but when you look specifically at how he shot it at the rim he looks more above average than great. 30 players shot better at the rim than his 67 percent number and a lot of bigs were significantly better -- Brandan Wright shot 79 percent, and guys like Plumlee, DeAndre, Marc Gasol, Birdman, Griffin, Bosh, Terrance Jones, Bogut and Mike Scott were much better as well. And while he was a decent shot blocker, he is a prime example of a shot blockers who too often get lost in NBA D-rotations to consistently be a solid anchor for their teams. Anybody who consistently watched Pistons games can attest to this. Players shot 53 percent at the rim against him which was fairly high among the most active defensive bigs in the league. There were a lot of bigs better than him in that regard and even teammate Greg Monroe did a better job defending against paint shots than him. He doesn't have any real discernible skill outside of these (besides top level rebounding) and is more so a guy with big upside who hasn't capitalized at all on his potential yet. 83 seems high.

Exactly..

Jordan's defensive awareness would be much higher as well. He hedges better, doesn't get lost in his rotations as often.. Drummond is an excellent shot blocker but nearly 100% due to his athleticism at this point. Jordan was actually a very strong positional defender last season, which is why Jordan received 14 first placed defensive votes (63 total) compared to Drummond's 0 (1 total).


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[ojandpizza]

Quote: Originally Posted by stillfeelme

Why wouldn't they be ranked about the same. They have strengths in about the same regions weaknesses in the same area. They are about as close as close can get. They defend about the same Jordan better shot blocker. Drummond better offense boards , defend about the same. can't shoot from outside.

I think they should be ranked about the same, I just could see 2K having Jordan considerably lower, which I wouldn't agree with.


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[stillfeelme]

Quote: Originally Posted by MikeBadge

Yes he shot 62 percent from the field but he literally took 17 shots outside of 8 feet last season. That's not a bad thing inherently -- that's how guys like DeAndre get theirs as well -- but when you look specifically at how he shot it at the rim he looks more above average than great. 30 players shot better at the rim than his 67 percent number and a lot of bigs were significantly better -- Brandan Wright shot 79 percent, and guys like Plumlee, DeAndre, Marc Gasol, Birdman, Griffin, Bosh, Terrance Jones, Bogut and Mike Scott were much better as well.

Once your inside rating is in the upper 60's there is hardly any difference. The difference between Drummond and pretty much all of those guys is when he gets offensive rebounds he attempts the shots as tips so they counts as boards and shots. He doesn't make as many but they bring his % down at the rim. All this means is athletic rebounders can be 80's Expect Gasol to be rated better but not be able to board like him

Brom Bball reference.com
Drummond shot 143 tip shots made 55% of them
Jordan shot 55 tip shots made 36%
Wright shot 11 tip shots mad 46%


I would imagine he had to shoot the most tip shots out of the whole league