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spankdatazz22 · 09-22-2014, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by El_Poopador


	I am incredibly disappointed that there will be no demo. The main reason being because it makes me feel that on-court issues I had last year weren't touched. We still have yet to see any information about actual gameplay, controls, AI, footplanting, spacing, etc. So yes, a demo, to me, is crucial to see if those things have been fixed.

If you're only going to look at the situation in a vacuum and not take anything else into account, then I'd say you're being extremely fickle and particular, and likely would never be satisfied. Given NBA2K's history, everything they've announced to date in terms of how various game modes have been enhanced (which was THE biggest complaint here last year), 2K's continued effort in signing experienced game designers and respected, talented community members to their team to practically form a Dream Team development team, the fact that 2K14's games (both last gen and this gen) were fairly highly regarded from a gameplay perspective, the fact that the game has historically been one of the best sports games in terms of gameplay slider customizations, etc...

and you're still going to tell me you feel "on-court issues I had last year weren't touched"?

Give me a break. It's your right to be as picky as you want. But 2K literally has to thread the needle with gamers like you. Imo not worth chasing when you're likely going to find any little thing to your dissatisfaction. These guys aren't infallible, the game isn't going to be perfect. If they haven't earned the benefit of the doubt by now in your eyes, best not to purchase the game.

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	Anyone who complains about those things in a demo is being unrealistic. A demo is meant to showcase gameplay, and sometimes, some presentation elements. Obviously you're not going to see those things. But at the end of the day, most people will spend the majority of their time with the game on the court, controlling the players. If that's no different than last year, all the modes in the world won't mean as much. Releasing a demo is a prime opportunity to show that they didn't just rehash the on-court game.

Again - when have they ever "rehashed" the on-court game? Last year, they do a lot from a gameplay perspective and it's complained they didn't do enough with the features. This year they make that a focus and now the gameplay's a question lol. I guess they just hired all those new gameplay-centric guys (to an already strong team) for show?

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	I don't think anyone is expecting a completely different game. But it certainly had its share of issues with gameplay. Why is it wrong to not want to pay $60 before making sure it's worth it?

It's a videogame. It isn't a house or a car requiring some huge purchasing decision. If it does, then better to hold off purchasing if you feel the "gameplay hasn't been addressed" because they haven't told you it has been lol.

jadert · 09-22-2014, 09:55 AM

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	No one says it is wrong. Where do you guys get that? Just saying it shouldn't be THAT big of a deal. They have a full gameplay team man. Don't you think they worked at all? There have been gameplay impressions all over the place. IKC being one example. Now, with that said, any changes they make to address the so called "legacy" (term that is way overused here) issues never get done with a hammer. So if they aren't completely gone, Nit #1 will cry "they totally ignored the issue", when they've clearly made some sort of improvement. That doesn't help them at all.

A lot of these people that have all of these gameplay "issues" would NOT be satisfied with a demo or the game. How am I so confident? Because 2K has a certain style of play that relies heavily on animations. So even though a lot of things will be tweaked and fixed, those animations will still bother people, especially if you are a heavy player of other game because it's so different. So when you hear people talking about "canned animations" and other buzz words, you know they will not be satisfied.

2K will always have two man animations, a little bumping on defense, animations that we lose control for a little. That's the sacrifice we make as gamers to have the most realistic basketball game on the planet. That's the direction 2K has decided to go. And because of its success, there aren't going to be too many changes. Think about it, 2K is selling Madden numbers, why would they appease a bunch of people that like another basketball game that can barely sell a million copies? It's a numbers game. They aren't going to change what the majority of basketball video gamers don't think is broke. So if this heavy animation style that 2K uses presents a bunch of issues for you (like losing control) then a demo is NOT going to appease you. Just stating facts

UnbelievablyRAW · 09-22-2014, 10:28 AM

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	If this takes you off the fence, you were never on it. Hypothetically speaking, if this turns out to be the best version ever, you would have passed on it because they didn't release a demo. That would be classic! Some of you guys are something else. Just be honest. You want a free appetizer. That's it. "Cheap" and "selfish" are the harsh words for it. But I don't judge because I'm there with you. But I'm being honest about it. :P If you need a demo to convince you, I guarantee you'll find something to keep you on the fence. It's a short dev cycle, folks. All the nitpickers would be the first hecklers talking about, "why didn't they focus more time on fixing this?!" Well, because they killed 2 weeks just making a demo and money on top of that. For what? To convince some tiny group that's been living under a rock to try a basketball game they wouldn't buy on the first day anyway? That's dumb. By that time, they can try the trial. Or try a friends copy. But this is the most important reason - spend that time making the game better! Screw a demo that people will hate on anyway. And for those claiming they want to test the servers? Really? Unfinished servers on an unfinished version of the game? Yeah, I'm sure they're smart enough to know that this would be LESS reliable than a release version. Or are they smart enough? I don't know. Finally to those talking about competition. If you think it's smart to make last minute decisions based on whether or not you think have competition, you're clearly not qualified to run business. People asked why they released one for 2k13. Um, because they had the time to do it! Wasn't a short cycle. There were no next gen versions to ship. Demo would be nice. But it a luxury. We're not entitled to them. If we don't like it, don't buy the game like this dude! It's a weak reason, but a valid reason - to make a political statement. It's like those people that don't eat at Chick fil A because they don't like the opinions of the founder. Not because the food sucks or because it's expensive.

They already have demos of the game running at various gaming events. I guess they wasted a lot of precious time taking a vertical slice of a SPORTS GAME that is pretty much 100% made (no dev is still adding features 2 weeks before launch). Demoing a sports game doesn't take as much effort as any other genre. Other games would have to find a situation that would allow players to learn the controls and also show how fun the game could be. A sport game doesn't change from hour 1 to hour 100. The gameplay mechanics stay consistent. The demo would be just to showcase improvements on the gameplay mechanics in 1-2 quarters of a exhibition game, and would let me see for myself if the areas of the game I found fault with last year have been fixed.

Sorry if I don't prescribe to the notion that 2k is consistent every year like you may, because where I see progression in some places (offensive movement and ballhandling) I see regression in others (defensive rotations and spacing). "On the fence" means just that. I was disappointed by 2k14 and I'm in the middle in terms of whether or not I get this iteration. Reading other people's opinions of the game doesn't do much for me considering how hyperbolic people's opinion of the game is after launch. Its either terrible or you got guys saying Jesus himself made it.

I understand from a business perspective that demos are more likely to push people away from buying a game but none of us are getting a cut of NBA 2k15's profits so why should I be okay with it as a consumer? Some of you guys should try to get paid for the PR work you do for them on these forums

kolanji · 09-22-2014, 10:32 AM

Demos are very important to any game of any genre.....

Seeing a game n playing a game are two very separate entities.....after all we do play video games we don't watch them...thats why they are....... well video games

Unlike the ability most gamers have with territory and location to rent from services like gamefly or buy used....believe it or not some areas don't have these conveniences..

Demos bridge this gap of coverage and gets the users opinions and reviews, which to me is more useful and valuable than sites reviews to developers...

Digital downloads are becoming much more common place in my community and location because for us to get games close to release dates are simply impossible...we have to order from external locations like US, which could take weeks.... answer to our problem is to get it digitally

But getting a digital game that you really don't like is detrimental being u cant sell or give it away..so u feel a bit more disappointed in bad purchases

If a person plays a demo and don't like it, and they don't buy the game they will not be a bitter consumer compared to buying then feel buyers remorse later.
They become lest likely to use the product again, being reluctant due to un-satisfaction and disappointment. A customer not buying after trying isn't as bad as it seems, it minimizes the quantity of owners with dissatisfaction.

Demos helps to alleviate buyers remorse.... especially digital buyers remorse......am I right guys?

But question????
Doesn't a demo already exist for this game????????
Isn't that which was playable at Gamescom, Gamestop expo and TGS?????
Couldn't we get that version as well?

Trailers are great media instruments for entertainment products like movies and games, but more so for movies. A better and more impactful trailer for games are the DEMOS

I am getting NBA 2k15, don't get me wrong is just that it is not a day one for me, which will be digital, it is more like a week one for scouting reasons...my user satisfaction for nba 2k14 next gen was like a 7 compared to a 9 from the previous game...it makes me a bit more reserve for 15.i love all the new additions we know of so far, but am the gameplay kinda guy which means more to me over all else

We are very close to launch, I would like to wish Take Two and Visual Concept a prosperous and satisfactory release

aholbert32 · 09-22-2014, 10:39 AM

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	On another note never really thought about how it takes time away from the retail version to put a demo together. Just assumed they had the game on a disk from an earlier stage of development and put it out there. If not getting a demo means they can put more time into the retail version till release time I can do without ever getting a demo personally. I could be in the minority there.

Yeah it takes more time than people think. You have size restrictions so you have to strip things out of it. You have to bug test it to ensure there are no big issues caused by what you stripped out. Its not as easy as people think.

aholbert32 · 09-22-2014, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by UnbelievablyRAW


	They already have demos of the game running at various gaming events. I guess they wasted a lot of precious time taking a vertical slice of a SPORTS GAME that is pretty much 100% made (no dev is still adding features 2 weeks before launch). Demoing a sports game doesn't take as much effort as any other genre. Other games would have to find a situation that would allow players to learn the controls and also show how fun the game could be. A sport game doesn't change from hour 1 to hour 100. The gameplay mechanics stay consistent. The demo would be just to showcase improvements on the gameplay mechanics in 1-2 quarters of a exhibition game, and would let me see for myself if the areas of the game I found fault with last year have been fixed. Sorry if I don't prescribe to the notion that 2k is consistent every year like you may, because where I see progression in some places (offensive movement and ballhandling) I see regression in others (defensive rotations and spacing). "On the fence" means just that. I was disappointed by 2k14 and I'm in the middle in terms of whether or not I get this iteration. Reading other people's opinions of the game doesn't do much for me considering how hyperbolic people's opinion of the game is after launch. Its either terrible or you got guys saying Jesus himself made it. I understand from a business perspective that demos are more likely to push people away from buying a game but none of us are getting a cut of NBA 2k15's profits so why should I be okay with it as a consumer? Some of you guys should try to get paid for the PR work you do for them on these forums

Those arent demos. Those are beta versions of the the game that are on disks. Big difference. And before you ask...they couldnt (nor should they) just slap a beta version onto PSN or Xbox Live and call it a demo. There are size restrictions so they would have to take a significant amount of time to change the beta into a demo.

KingofATL · 09-22-2014, 10:45 AM

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	Legit competition with PES and many dont consider FIFA the best soccer game when it comes to gameplay. The right demo can convince someone that their gameplay has changed. Thats why Live should release a demo because they are trying to convince ppl to buy its game instead of 2k.

I agree...

Competition brings out the best in people. I believe personally that we will see better games from both companies in the coming years. I think once both EA & 2K finally learn what they can really do with these new systems we will start to see top notch NBA games from both.

But I do think that 2K made a mistake by not releasing a demo seeing that they didn't give us gameplay videos this year. And the fact that NBA 2K14 on the next-gen had missing features and suspect gameplay. I want to see that they have improved the gameplay and resolved the issues from last year.

I myself don't like how they are marketing the game this year. I think no real competition has made them a little too cocky. But that will change since EA has got back in the game. I want to see both games be great!!!!

UnbelievablyRAW · 09-22-2014, 10:47 AM

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