MLB 15 The Show 10th Anniversary Edition, Pre-Order Details, Canadian Cover Revealed

[Jimmydm90]

Quote: Originally Posted by nemesis04

While The Show does not do the numbers of the other games that were mentioned, I do think The Show puts PS4 consoles in peoples homes. I don't necessarily think the other ones quite do that. It could be more impactful than just looking at how many game units The Show sold.

I love MLB the Show as much as the next guy but if you think it put more consoles in people's homes than The Last of Us (PS3 & PS4), let alone Naughty Dog in general, you're crazy haha.

[Bobhead]

Quote: Originally Posted by Jimmydm90

I love MLB the Show as much as the next guy but if you think it put more consoles in people's homes than The Last of Us (PS3 & PS4), let alone Naughty Dog in general, you're crazy haha.

It's possible. I mean those games might be more popular, but there are also more alternatives.

Halo is immensely popular, but few people buy an Xbox just for Halo, because they can just buy Call of Duty or one of the other 3 billion shooting games on Playstation instead.

Maybe someone wants an Xbox and they really want to buy The Last Of Us, but they also have the cheaper option of Resident Evil, The Dying Light, or The Evil Within, all of which are respected/acclaimed games within the same genre.

If someone wants to play a baseball sim game, what are their options? You literally have only one...

[nomo17k]

I think sports games like The Show (and others) are never system sellers in a sense that console bundles would make sense. And that's fine, because the games are inherently limited by the professional sports and/or leagues to which they are tied.

Madden may be a big franchise in the U.S., but with the popularity of American Football being limited to the U.S., their non-U.S. sales look quite marginal. One major issue with MLB is that it has steadily been losing ground in popularity, especially among kids who would be the next generation of fans of both video gaming and the sport itself, so no matter how deserving The Show is, it will be capped by the popularity of MLB itself. (A couple years ago I polled in this forum asking the age of forum members here. I think people in 30s and 40s form the largest fan base here...)

However, I think The Show definitely is a system seller in a sense that it draws the crowd who like both baseball and video gaming to Playstation instead of other options. I haven't been the biggest video gamer, but once I discovered the game I had to get the console just because of this franchise. I know a few others who pretty much just play The Show all the time. They don't seem to read or post in a forum like OS, but one common trait seem to be that they are pretty avid MLB fans. They are baseball fans first and foremost. And that's a very small sample size (I have no friends), but I would imagine more I do not know are like them.

If The Show can do better, then I think it would still make sense to go after baseball fans, but the numbers are limited because I don't feel MLB is very good at promoting the sport itself (it's great at making money off of media though).

[takemejoehome]

It's funny you know something tells me to just do the pre order now, even though it's no different if I do it on March 27th LOL it's like I need peace of mind when it doesn't matter because digital is at least guaranteed a copy and really no point in pre ordering.

[Shakedowncapo]

Quote: Originally Posted by nomo17k

I think sports games like The Show (and others) are never system sellers in a sense that console bundles would make sense. And that's fine, because the games are inherently limited by the professional sports and/or leagues to which they are tied. Madden may be a big franchise in the U.S., but with the popularity of American Football being limited to the U.S., their non-U.S. sales look quite marginal. One major issue with MLB is that it has steadily been losing ground in popularity, especially among kids who would be the next generation of fans of both video gaming and the sport itself, so no matter how deserving The Show is, it will be capped by the popularity of MLB itself. (A couple years ago I polled in this forum asking the age of forum members here. I think people in 30s and 40s form the largest fan base here...) However, I think The Show definitely is a system seller in a sense that it draws the crowd who like both baseball and video gaming to Playstation instead of other options. I haven't been the biggest video gamer, but once I discovered the game I had to get the console just because of this franchise. I know a few others who pretty much just play The Show all the time. They don't seem to read or post in a forum like OS, but one common trait seem to be that they are pretty avid MLB fans. They are baseball fans first and foremost. And that's a very small sample size (I have no friends), but I would imagine more I do not know are like them. If The Show can do better, then I think it would still make sense to go after baseball fans, but the numbers are limited because I don't feel MLB is very good at promoting the sport itself (it's great at making money off of media though).

The MLB does a terrible job of promoting its players. The difference between them and the NBA is night and day.

[MrOldboy]

Quote: Originally Posted by Bobhead

It's possible. I mean those games might be more popular, but there are also more alternatives. Halo is immensely popular, but few people buy an Xbox just for Halo, because they can just buy Call of Duty or one of the other 3 billion shooting games on Playstation instead. Maybe someone wants an Xbox and they really want to buy The Last Of Us, but they also have the cheaper option of Resident Evil, The Dying Light, or The Evil Within, all of which are respected/acclaimed games within the same genre. If someone wants to play a baseball sim game, what are their options? You literally have only one...

Halo is quite simply the definition of a system seller. Tons of people buy a new console because of that series. Xbox One sales will likely increase dramatically as well once Halo 5 is released.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2007/1...38777720071005

Quote:

"Initial reports from retailers worldwide show console sales have more than doubled compared with the weekly average before the launch of 'Halo 3,"' Microsoft said in a statement.

Other games have also provided a large bump to console sales. More recently Titanfall and Mario Kart 8 provided similar boosts to sales.

[Jimmydm90]

Quote: Originally Posted by Bobhead

It's possible. I mean those games might be more popular, but there are also more alternatives. Halo is immensely popular, but few people buy an Xbox just for Halo, because they can just buy Call of Duty or one of the other 3 billion shooting games on Playstation instead. Maybe someone wants an Xbox and they really want to buy The Last Of Us, but they also have the cheaper option of Resident Evil, The Dying Light, or The Evil Within, all of which are respected/acclaimed games within the same genre. If someone wants to play a baseball sim game, what are their options? You literally have only one...

You're joking, right? Halo is a huge selling point for Xbox. The biggest actually, despite there being a hundred other multi platform FPS. Without the original Halo, Xbox One wouldn't even exist because it kept the original Xbox from going under.

Evil within, dying light, etc. are bad comparisons. Is TLOU technically a post apocalyptic adventure game? Yes. But that's not why people buy it. They buy it because its real genre is Naughty Dog. Which basically means unparalleled linear drama, character and storytelling. Players would argue (and obviously it's subjective) that experiences like; TLOU or Halo or Uncharted or God of war or Gears or other system sellers are unique. They'd argue that you CANT get that same experience anywhere else even if there are other games in that genre. So they buy that console for that exclusive. Or at least that's a big reason why. Plus MLBTS is multiplatform (ps4, PS3, Vita) and will be for a long time so where's the system selling in that.

Sure MLB:TS was the only baseball sim last year but it's not like it did gangbusters for their sales. They did about the same amount of sales that they usually do. Is The Show a big reason why some people bought a PS4? Sure, I believe that but I also believe that group is very small. I think the audience for baseball games and baseball in general is very small compared to what it was. That's a big reason why MLB 2k (or all the other dozens of baseball franchises) went under. The market's not really big enough for both games (and SCEA just made a better product). Even if every person who buys The Show bought a PS4 mostly for that game, that's like .5-.8 million people and that's pretty much it for the lifetime of the console because it's not like a new batch of people are picking up the game every year. It's mostly the same .5-.8 million people every year. No way for us to know what games sell more consoles but I think it's perhaps telling that TLOU is bundled with PS4s and MLBTS will likely never have that honor.

Really the only argument I need against yours about genre similar games being hugely detrimental to system seller status is Destiny. Super generic, many alternatives to it, multiplatform, multigenerational (360, PS3), middling reviews and had extremely limited PS4 exclusive content and yet it more than tripled PS4's monthly sales in the month of September. Mostly because of advertising (and the Bungie element. SEE HALO).

None of it really matters though because almost no one buys a system for single franchise that would be somewhat ridiculous financially. Even Nintendo has a few franchises that people use as a rationale. Manly people accumulate reasons. A list of pros and cons and some games tip the pros more than others or are the final straw to finally making the purchase.

[takemejoehome]

Hall was a big selling point for Xbox but that was over a decade ago, it's stale now, and from what I read about the 5th game looks like a certain flop


and yes I am tired of the million of FPS games that are ruining the gaming industry, garbage like COD that seem to put out the same game over and over again, and add things like Jet packs then make out its a 'new game' and you can finish story mode in about 5 hours!!


MLB the show you got about 6 months worth of gameplay for a casual gamer! and it's a sports game.