Madden NFL 17 Player Ratings - Top 5 Quarterbacks

[Yazan Gable]

Quote: Originally Posted by jmurphy31

Not sure how drafting ty law (a cb) 24th and a RB Shane Vereen proves your point. Dion Branch left New England for Seattle and did very little. It's convenient to leave out how he made Welker a household name or Edelman who was a college qb into a pro bowler. Rodgers probably has more skill than Brady especially today. But I'd still take Brady in a one game scenario .

Quote: Originally Posted by Yazan Gable

I can see how that may be difficult when you don't understand I am not talking about their talent but about the idea that they took street free agents and undrafted players and made them into stars (no-names.)

Reading is a wonderful skill when developed. You are right about me making a mistake pointing out Ty Law, but you are mistaken with regards to my point. Also, the idea of a one-game scenario is dumb because there are a variety of factors regarding supporting cast and defenses of each team that would swing it in either direction.

[jmurphy31]

Quote: Originally Posted by Yazan Gable

Reading is a wonderful skill when developed. You are right about me making a mistake pointing out Ty Law, but you are mistaken with regards to my point. Also, the idea of a one-game scenario is dumb because there are a variety of factors regarding supporting cast and defenses of each team that would swing it in either direction.

1st. No need to be disrespectful. Just pointing out your errors. I get what your post was trying to say. You made a great sarcastic point about the colts offensive talent surrounding manning. I'm just saying you can't really compare Wayne, Harrison, James, Thomas vs Branch, Watson, Gronk, Vereen. The first four were highly touted coming into the NFL (thus first round picks), while the last 4 weren't.

Speaking of Moss. His 3 years prior to going to NE. 49 rec, 13 TDs, 60 rec 8 TDs, 42 rec 3 TDs. Not exactly early Minnesota days. Was he dogging it, maybe, but NE took a chance and it paid off. The pats have always been cheap when looking at FA especially at the WR position. (I know they traded for moss). The Patriots haven't really done Brady any favors and drafting a 1st round WR or signing a top tier player. I will agree that the Pats have whiffed on some 2nd round guys (Chad Jackson, bethel Johnson, and Aaron Dobson).

I understand a lot of variable go into a game, but I would still want Brady as my QB in any game.

[Mauer4MVP]

Quote: Originally Posted by roadman

He is a second round draft choice. I could see your point more if he was a 1st rounder, but a second round draft choice over rated with over 3000 yds? How else to you compare players from different eras? You can certainly compare HOF's numbers with today's players. The kid has three years in the league and he is by no means an elite RB, but he is above avg. I live in WI, am a die hard Packer fan, and Lacy is a good RB, not elite. All the Packer fans I know feel he is a above avg RB. Don't try to lump all Packers fans living in WI feeling Lacy is a great RB. A few fans you know doesn't make up the whole entire Packer fan base and I'm just saying that too. Time to move on from this, agree to disagree, again. I'm not going to move your needle about Lacy being an average or just "okay" RB, and you definitely aren't going to move my needle that Lacy is a above avg. RB.

No you can't compare them. The game changes so much throughout the years that it is completely different.

But sure we can agree to disagree. But it isn't just a few fans. It's every fan I've encountered.

[roadman]

Quote: Originally Posted by Mauer4MVP

No you can't compare them. The game changes so much throughout the years that it is completely different. But sure we can agree to disagree. But it isn't just a few fans. It's every fan I've encountered.

Still, it doesn't matter to me how many fans you've encountered, a few or 1000, that doesn't represent the entire fan base, but go ahead and believe it and make judgements on all Packer fans.

[Gosens6]

I can't believe the Brady/Rodgers debate has gone on this long. Geez, guys.

Now, I won't say I follow the NFL religiously like most of you guys do on here, but, I am an avid fan of the sport and of the NFL.

Iv'e been watching for over 20 years, so I'd like to think I know a thing or two about the game. (Certainly not as much as most of you)

But holy hell, for ANYONE to discredit Tom Brady and his skillset is insane, same with A-Rod.

Both guys are proven winners, both guys have incredible accuracy at their position, and both guys are in the discussion for top 5 best QBs in the league.

In my honest opinion, I would take Brady over Rodgers any day when putting together a football team. That's not to say Rodgers doesn't have the same, if not better skills than Brady, but when it's crunch time, no one gets the job done on the field like Tom Brady does.

I'll give Aaron Rodgers the nod on deep ball accuracy, throw on the run, and a slight nod for arm strength. He deserves high 90s if we're statting like they would in Madden. When it comes to clutch, field awareness, making the best play for your team in the situation so they have a chance to win, Tom Brady all day every day.

Who cares about what receivers these guys have had? They've both taken average receiving corps and have done magical things with them. They've both played with pro bowl level receivers, and did the same thing. Brady and A-Rod are the kind of guys that can make ANY player better, established or not.

Stop the bickering, both of these guys are elite, and both have qualities and attributes that set them apart. Trying to say which is better than the other is damn near impossible.

All this Brady praise coming from a guy in Buffalo. It's official, I'm going to hell.

[Mauer4MVP]

Quote: Originally Posted by roadman

Still, it doesn't matter to me how many fans you've encountered, a few or 1000, that doesn't represent the entire fan base, but go ahead and believe it and make judgements on all Packer fans.

Sure. 10char

[PanthersFan89]

Quote: Originally Posted by Blazzen

Is Cam faster then Russel Wilson? Cam 86 speed Russel Wilson 85. I'm a Panthers fan btw. I'm always amazed at how fast Russel Wilson is. Cam is a great runner but it's a combination of SIZE AND SPEED whereas Russel Wilson is pure speed. As far as the OVR's the athleticism of the mobile QB's pushes their ratings above the statues like Brady. Brady is the best pure passer but Cam/Rodgers athleticism is what is boosting their ratings. If you check the individual ratings categories this holds true where Brady has the best pure passing ratings.

Haven't you seen how quick cam can break speed when juking?

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[underdog13]

Didn't they have near identical 40 times? And Cam has a stronger lower body so wouldn't be surprised he can run just as fast as Russel Wilson.

That being said Wilson will have more acceleration which will make up plenty for the 1 speed difference.

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