08:40 PM - June 11, 2014 by RussoThe first gameplay video of NHL 15 on new-gen consoles has surfaced from E3. Give it a watch and let us know what you think!
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08:40 PM - June 11, 2014 by RussoNHL 15 Videos
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Unlike Madden I hope we haven't seen the whole presentation package that is coming this year.
Really would like to see intermission reports and highlights from other games (like back in the 90s).
Really would like to see intermission reports and highlights from other games (like back in the 90s).
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# 83
m_maclean24 @ 06/13/14 01:10 PM
I just want to give my two cents on what I have been noticing here on this forum. First and foremost, for those who have the time and dedication to do things like the Roster Revamp, etc. my accolades and appreciation go out to you.
Having been an observer of the forum in the past, and rarely posting, I have to say that there is an awful lot of negativity, and in addition, a clear lack of understanding as to what is plausible for a team the size of EA Canada in Burnaby to complete on a year-to-year basis.
I feel that some of the members here need to realize that EA has been hearing what is being asked for by the community. They have consistantly been adding, albeit piece by piece, things that the community is asking for.
With regards to the jump from last gen to current gen consoles: I find it pretty unrealistic for people to expect that all of a sudden since we have a new console, EA is going to fix every issue with the game. I am the first one to admit that there are major areas EA needs to find a way to fix their product, beginning with opposition and teammate AI. I would agree that it needs to be scrapped and built from the ground up. What irks me though, is that people seem to forget, or ignore the fact that this is a HUGE undertaking.
I realize that people are turning to the fact that EA Canada skipped last year on the current generation of consoles for NHL, and they have been quite upfront with their reasons why. They wanted to be able to use the technique and experience from the teams that did work on releases for the new consoles last year. Let's be upfront here - this is basically a diplomatic way of admitting that they didn't have the man-power to work from the ground up on their own.
For those who say EA has not made an effort for years to fix issues with the series, this is just a blatently ignorant statement. For anyone who follows Rammer on Twitter, it is clear that this team puts in many, many hours on improving this game on a yearly basis. In the past number of years we have seem moves in a positive direction, be-it the new player-player physics engine, skating physics, fighting engine, goal reviews, the list goes on - all while using DATED hardware.
The fact that this is the first iteration of the game on a new console, it should come as no suprise if NHL 15 is not perfect. The amount of change that has been implemented from 14 to 15 is immense, as can be seen by the improvements to crowd, player modeling, detailing, etc. I have confidence that the gameplay will be following suit in time.
To those who complain about things like player likeness and ask for face scans for players...think about this for a moment. In order to get a face scan of a player, you must meet with said player. The logistics of this alone make for a difficult venture for a production team of this size and budget.
I'm sorry for the long winded post, but the lack of common sense among some of the members here truly suprises me.
Having been an observer of the forum in the past, and rarely posting, I have to say that there is an awful lot of negativity, and in addition, a clear lack of understanding as to what is plausible for a team the size of EA Canada in Burnaby to complete on a year-to-year basis.
I feel that some of the members here need to realize that EA has been hearing what is being asked for by the community. They have consistantly been adding, albeit piece by piece, things that the community is asking for.
With regards to the jump from last gen to current gen consoles: I find it pretty unrealistic for people to expect that all of a sudden since we have a new console, EA is going to fix every issue with the game. I am the first one to admit that there are major areas EA needs to find a way to fix their product, beginning with opposition and teammate AI. I would agree that it needs to be scrapped and built from the ground up. What irks me though, is that people seem to forget, or ignore the fact that this is a HUGE undertaking.
I realize that people are turning to the fact that EA Canada skipped last year on the current generation of consoles for NHL, and they have been quite upfront with their reasons why. They wanted to be able to use the technique and experience from the teams that did work on releases for the new consoles last year. Let's be upfront here - this is basically a diplomatic way of admitting that they didn't have the man-power to work from the ground up on their own.
For those who say EA has not made an effort for years to fix issues with the series, this is just a blatently ignorant statement. For anyone who follows Rammer on Twitter, it is clear that this team puts in many, many hours on improving this game on a yearly basis. In the past number of years we have seem moves in a positive direction, be-it the new player-player physics engine, skating physics, fighting engine, goal reviews, the list goes on - all while using DATED hardware.
The fact that this is the first iteration of the game on a new console, it should come as no suprise if NHL 15 is not perfect. The amount of change that has been implemented from 14 to 15 is immense, as can be seen by the improvements to crowd, player modeling, detailing, etc. I have confidence that the gameplay will be following suit in time.
To those who complain about things like player likeness and ask for face scans for players...think about this for a moment. In order to get a face scan of a player, you must meet with said player. The logistics of this alone make for a difficult venture for a production team of this size and budget.
I'm sorry for the long winded post, but the lack of common sense among some of the members here truly suprises me.
Well last time we made the jump between console generations, EA made a whole new game instead of just fixing "issues" with the old one. But then, they had strong competition at the time, so they pretty much had to.
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I probably swore at NHL 2K8 more than any other game, so I understand the premise of your argument. It's just that there are some things that it does better than EA even to this day and one of them is goaltending.
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# 88
SVCbearcat10 @ 06/13/14 03:51 PM
I think the days of multiple titles for a given sport is over. Games are getting too expensive to make for their to be more than 1 game. Splitting the sells may result in a lose, lose sutiuation for both companies involved.
Also, I think sports games may have a smaller fan base than other games. People who love sports typically play sports or are more active, which means less time for video games. I think the dreams of competition for these annual sports releases won't ever be answered.
NHL is the only game around because it was the only game that was good. They took off last gen while 2k, for example, couldn't figure it out. They were great on Xbox/PS2, but totally sucked on 360/PS3.
Also, I think sports games may have a smaller fan base than other games. People who love sports typically play sports or are more active, which means less time for video games. I think the dreams of competition for these annual sports releases won't ever be answered.
NHL is the only game around because it was the only game that was good. They took off last gen while 2k, for example, couldn't figure it out. They were great on Xbox/PS2, but totally sucked on 360/PS3.
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A bad game is a bad game, see MLB and NHL 2k series (imo). The sales dictated it and now they don't make those games anymore. And come on man, gamers are gamers. Whether they play the sport in real life or not. Look at how many pro's play their respective sports games and video games in general. While I agree sports games (hockey especially) find it difficult to find the huge followings other games have, I don't think that was a fair assessment.
Besides absolutely flooding thr market, I can't ever see a scenario where more of the same sports titles is a bad thing. We as gamers should welcome more choices and deserve to see the competition to push theses devs to want to make THEIR game better than the other guys game. And if that leads to a clear winner and the other guy closing shop, so be it. Without competition we see the same rehashed stuff over and over. Need variety, creativity, the drive to be different and better. And these companies, namely EA, have become far too complacent and comfortable giving us the same stuff.
But, it is what it is. They sell, we buy. We should only hope to see other companies venture to share their ideas with us and give us options.
/rant
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# 90
gabbers895 @ 06/13/14 06:20 PM
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Sort of random thought pertinent to the discussion on the topic about multiple sports titles and gaming and whatnot:
I just read an article that said that companies in the console business are actually losing money. Microsoft has even flirted with the idea of selling their xbox division. Gaming is going more towards the smart phone route. I think that micro transactions that are going into every game now, as much as we may hate them as gamers, are helping to save the console gaming market.
Anyway, on the topic of multiple sports titles competing. Competition can do nothing but help the overall quality of the product. The firm has to put out a superior product if they hope to make money. It's the reason why you don't see 2k making an NHL game. They haven't been able to put out a higher quality product than EA and therefore are not able to turn a profit, so why try unless you know you can make that push?
However, the possibility of competition is at least some sort of driving force to continue to innovate and keep putting out a better quality game (as well as making sure their customers come back for more obviously). But in the instance of an NHL game, EA knows that if they severely drop the ball 2K (or another company I suppose) could then make their push into the market, so they have to keep trying to improve their game year after year.
You don't have to look any further than EA to see what happens to a sports title when there is no competition. Since they have their deal with the NFL madden games have become absolutely atrocious. They're ruining the game of football that I have loved all my life in the debacle of a game they put out every year. But that is another story. And obviously the NFL is so big that they are still making plenty of money off their game to justify continuing their deal. That deal, while obviously very beneficial to EA and the NFL, is horrendous for the consumer of sports video games. But they're making more money, so why wouldn't they do it? I know I would if that were the case.
So anyway, I went on a tangent their at the end. In closing I just want to say that while the market can seem to only support the success of one game (as the inferior product just stops being made) the fact that their is still potential for competition definitely still helps out in the game progressing forward. As long as EA doesn't strike up a deal with the NHL I think it is safe to say that they will continue to at least improve on the game.
EDIT: That's one thing that I have liked about the NHL team at EA. They are continuously building on their foundation and improving that. They don't come out with new ratings or new features in the game only to remove them a year or two later rather than trying to perfect them. (I'm sure there are some cases of this, but madden does that about 53 times every day or so. Exaggeration, I know...can you tell I'm bitter?)
DOUBLE EDIT: Really looking back at the history of the whole Madden/NFL2K5 thing, if I am not mistaken, I think 2K made its push to become more of a contender in the market because they sold their game for like half price (actually I think it was $20). So being the cheaper alternative they were able to grab a fan base like that. I'm sure EA took a dip in sales and realized they needed to do something, and the rest is history.
So maybe we should hope that 2K doesn't come out with a legitimate contender on the market anytime soon haha. Might just lead us into the dark ages of hockey gaming
I just read an article that said that companies in the console business are actually losing money. Microsoft has even flirted with the idea of selling their xbox division. Gaming is going more towards the smart phone route. I think that micro transactions that are going into every game now, as much as we may hate them as gamers, are helping to save the console gaming market.
Anyway, on the topic of multiple sports titles competing. Competition can do nothing but help the overall quality of the product. The firm has to put out a superior product if they hope to make money. It's the reason why you don't see 2k making an NHL game. They haven't been able to put out a higher quality product than EA and therefore are not able to turn a profit, so why try unless you know you can make that push?
However, the possibility of competition is at least some sort of driving force to continue to innovate and keep putting out a better quality game (as well as making sure their customers come back for more obviously). But in the instance of an NHL game, EA knows that if they severely drop the ball 2K (or another company I suppose) could then make their push into the market, so they have to keep trying to improve their game year after year.
You don't have to look any further than EA to see what happens to a sports title when there is no competition. Since they have their deal with the NFL madden games have become absolutely atrocious. They're ruining the game of football that I have loved all my life in the debacle of a game they put out every year. But that is another story. And obviously the NFL is so big that they are still making plenty of money off their game to justify continuing their deal. That deal, while obviously very beneficial to EA and the NFL, is horrendous for the consumer of sports video games. But they're making more money, so why wouldn't they do it? I know I would if that were the case.
So anyway, I went on a tangent their at the end. In closing I just want to say that while the market can seem to only support the success of one game (as the inferior product just stops being made) the fact that their is still potential for competition definitely still helps out in the game progressing forward. As long as EA doesn't strike up a deal with the NHL I think it is safe to say that they will continue to at least improve on the game.
EDIT: That's one thing that I have liked about the NHL team at EA. They are continuously building on their foundation and improving that. They don't come out with new ratings or new features in the game only to remove them a year or two later rather than trying to perfect them. (I'm sure there are some cases of this, but madden does that about 53 times every day or so. Exaggeration, I know...can you tell I'm bitter?)
DOUBLE EDIT: Really looking back at the history of the whole Madden/NFL2K5 thing, if I am not mistaken, I think 2K made its push to become more of a contender in the market because they sold their game for like half price (actually I think it was $20). So being the cheaper alternative they were able to grab a fan base like that. I'm sure EA took a dip in sales and realized they needed to do something, and the rest is history.
So maybe we should hope that 2K doesn't come out with a legitimate contender on the market anytime soon haha. Might just lead us into the dark ages of hockey gaming
# 92
jaateloauto @ 06/13/14 08:10 PM
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EA's approach has always been "catch every puck, whatever goes in is a glitch that our animations didn't account for".
2K's approach was "if you create a great chance, you can score even if you don't do the glitch wrister/deke at the right angle at the right second".
It made for a realistic and fun experience. In online versus and online leagues 2K still has EA NHL beat in terms of the gameplay experience. The only reason I bother with EA NHL is 6v6 EASHL. Otherwise it's a cold, heartless experience of glitch shots and artificial momentum.
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jaateloauto @ 06/13/14 08:32 PM
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The mobile market is made up of entirely different set of gamers. And 99% of the revenue in mobilie comes from free to play garbage that are specifically built around microtransactions that you wouldn't hope on your worst enemy.
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Being the worse of than your competitors can easily become a self-replicating cycle. Worse sales mean you have less money to spend next year and that means the game will probably again be worse than the competitors which in turn in many cases lead to the competitor dying out.
# 94
PensDynasty87 @ 06/14/14 02:05 AM
I totally agree, I'm more of a offline player myself and actually can't stand playing online. With everybody poke checking all the time, the cheating like you say, and it's a hit party. It's def. a unrealistic arcade like game when playing online to me. I'll take a authentic real life like offline BEAGM or play now game over that any day that ends in y.
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Vulcan7905 @ 06/14/14 04:10 PM
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What do you guys mean when you say online is a cheatfest? The better team wins the vast majority of the time, thats all you can really ask for in my opinion.
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# 98
Icelandair @ 06/14/14 10:28 PM
I might consider more online play if they had a way to integrate it into a season mode and not just random online games against the same 3 teams.
Not like GM connected, where you have to play the same people in your league and make appointments to get games in, but rather a mode where if I'm the Devils in my season and my next game is against the Rangers it randomly pairs me with someone who chose the rangers as their team. Of course that system would break down when I had to play someone like the Panthers who would have 3 people total who would do their season as them...
Not like GM connected, where you have to play the same people in your league and make appointments to get games in, but rather a mode where if I'm the Devils in my season and my next game is against the Rangers it randomly pairs me with someone who chose the rangers as their team. Of course that system would break down when I had to play someone like the Panthers who would have 3 people total who would do their season as them...
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18 eighty 5 @ 06/14/14 11:47 PM
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Again, it is becoming as stale as this series to say that a competing NHL game is desperately needed to deliver better consumer products.
I am not won over by anything shown or said so far about NHL 15 for new gen. The only thing they can guarantee for new gen is that the disk label will have the new gen system name on it.
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EA still has work to do on breakouts but I don't see it changing. The reason they allow that winger to fly up is to create that fast paced ping pong match game. They want you to fling it up and go 1 on 3 or whatever into the zone then shoot on the rush and let the CPU get the puck and then do their thing. Neutral zone pressure is number one on my list for biggest issues and the fling the puck to the red or far blue to the winger breakout is number 2. Yes, you can stop yourself from breaking out that way but the fact of the matter is it shouldn't be like that. I've said it before but you should never have to create house rules to make a game playable because the devs can't code a game properly on two pretty glaring things. I give credit to people that do that, but I for one cannot keep forcing myself to make certain plays just because the CPU is incapable of being coded properly.
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