Possible Cheater!

Blade6119 · 01-07-2004, 09:56 PM

This guy's current bid is 300,000...i simply have not the slightest idea of why...maybe someone can enlighten me?

Fred Pacheco (13251886)
31 years, passable form, healthy
A pleasant guy who is calm and dishonest.
Has poor experience and poor leadership abilities.

Nationality: USA
Assessed value: 16 000 US$
Wage: 660 US$/week
Owner: Anubis FC
Warnings: 0

Stamina: solid Goaltending: wretched
Playmaking: inadequate Passing: poor
Winger: weak Defending: inadequate
Scoring: wretched Set Pieces: weak

Career Goals: 8
Career Hattricks: 0
League goals this season: 4
Cup goals this season: 0

vex · 01-07-2004, 10:06 PM

Report it. I remember about 3-5 months ago I went on a cheat finding frenzy. Found about 30-60. Just check for inad Keepers and at a REALLY high bid and you'll find a ton of cheaters.

Poli · 01-07-2004, 11:24 PM

Note to self: Change my cheating strategy.

daedalus · 01-08-2004, 12:37 AM

You should go ahead and report it.

Amusing note: The owner of the team that bought the player is named "darkiller". Hmmmmmmmmmmm.

Icy · 01-08-2004, 03:44 AM

Umm how could anybody cheat?

Alf · 01-08-2004, 05:06 AM

Transfers page => on the Right below "HELP" => report suspected cheaters.

You enter the 2 TeamIds and free text

OldGiants · 01-08-2004, 07:46 AM

Yes, do so. I caught a guy in my league with two teams. He was bidding outragously on his second team's players to move cash to the Div V team he was trying to save.

BreizhManu · 01-08-2004, 08:15 AM

just looked at the transfer, not sure there is cheating, perhaps an error.

FrogMan · 01-08-2004, 09:12 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Icy
Umm how could anybody cheat?

Icy, quite often it involves an individual with multiple teams, or opening up new teams to simply buy crappy players from one other team, at highly inflated price...

FM

fantastic flying froggies · 01-08-2004, 09:31 AM

Here 's what I just found :

Code:

19. Bennie Detraz 1 100 000 Euro (OLTeam)  
Belongs to:  Morobert
Age:  19 years
Value:  80 000 Euro
Deadline:  09-01-2004 at 16:05
 Stamina:   inadequate     Keeper:  disastrous 
Playmaking:   poor     Passing:   passable 
Winger:   solid     Defending:   weak 
Scoring:   wretched     Set Pieces:   wretched

Highly suspicious.
Plus, the player's for sale in the keeper section.
Plus, the buying team has just sold just about all his players...
Plus, the selling team is selling some other outfielders at the same time, all in the keeper section.

What do y'all think ?

vex · 01-08-2004, 09:34 AM

Also always make sure the player in question isn't a clown.

vex · 01-08-2004, 09:37 AM

Best ways to check for cheaters is to:

1: Check the IPs

2: Check the transfer history, see if the teams have traded before

3: Also check to see if the teams have played multiple friendlies. They often shows their familiarity with each other. This basically confirms, isn't necessarily a reason to report.

dacman · 01-08-2004, 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by fantastic flying froggies

...
Plus, the player's for sale in the keeper section.
...
Plus, the selling team is selling some other outfielders at the same time, all in the keeper section.

This means absolutely nothing.

BreizhManu · 01-08-2004, 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by fantastic flying froggies
Here 's what I just found :

Code:

19. Bennie Detraz 1 100 000 Euro (OLTeam) Belongs to: Morobert Age: 19 years Value: 80 000 Euro Deadline: 09-01-2004 at 16:05 Stamina: inadequate Keeper: disastrous Playmaking: poor Passing: passable Winger: solid Defending: weak Scoring: wretched Set Pieces: wretched

Highly suspicious.
Plus, the player's for sale in the keeper section.
Plus, the buying team has just sold just about all his players...
Plus, the selling team is selling some other outfielders at the same time, all in the keeper section.

What do y'all think ?

cheating is probable :

06-01-2004 at 15:40 de 192.54.***.*** <-- morobert
06-01-2004 at 15:47 de 192.54.***.*** <-- OLTeam

OldGiants · 01-08-2004, 10:17 AM

Yes, the login times from the same IP is what I sent to the GMs.

Perhaps this isn't cheating, but they will ban him for trying to run two teams.

Cosmicjello · 01-08-2004, 11:45 AM

The IP's aren't always a certainty of a cheater. For instance, I work in a call center where there are several people with teams all on the same server all on the same IP address.

Example:

Wasatch Front: 1/8/2004 at 18.38 from 206.126.***.***
FC Deportivo La Coruna : 1/8/2004 at 16.26 from 206.126.***.***
Orient Express: 1/8/2004 at 14.56 from 206.126.***.***
Twin Lizards: 1/7/2004 at 22.23 from 206.126.***.***

All different people. It just happens that we work at the same company.

dacman · 01-08-2004, 12:07 PM

With a firewall/proxy setup everyone on my company's intranet appears to have the exact same IP to anyone on the internet so even the GM's (who can see the entire IP address) have to do a little research.

BreizhManu · 01-08-2004, 12:43 PM

yep sure, but even if it isn't the same person, just someone working for the same company, that plus the transfer price gives you a cheater.

finkenst · 01-08-2004, 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cosmicjello
The IP's aren't always a certainty of a cheater. For instance, I work in a call center where there are several people with teams all on the same server all on the same IP address.

Example:

Wasatch Front: 1/8/2004 at 18.38 from 206.126.***.***
FC Deportivo La Coruna : 1/8/2004 at 16.26 from 206.126.***.***
Orient Express: 1/8/2004 at 14.56 from 206.126.***.***
Twin Lizards: 1/7/2004 at 22.23 from 206.126.***.***

All different people. It just happens that we work at the same company.

Hey!!! Let's report cosmicjello!!!

Cosmicjello · 01-09-2004, 05:34 AM

Not funny. My days at work would be spent in limbo, aimlessly wandering from webpage to webpage with the lingering thought of a match report or a youth pull that won't happen. Would you do that to someone?

That's the ultimate punishment. Anguish and desolation like the world has never known.

Well, maybe not that bad but it would definately suck!

Poli · 01-09-2004, 08:41 AM

1. perform transfer search
2. save search results as html file. Save only internal frame, i do it by right-click menu
3. open file with your HTML editor or text editor
4. replace HREF=" with HREF="http://195.149.159.155/Common/
using search & replace function
5. replace HREF=\' with HREF=\'http://195.149.159.155/Common/
6. next day open hattrick using IP number :
http://195.149.159.155/, not www.hattrick.org (important!)
7. catch cheaters

iceberg414 · 01-09-2004, 09:55 AM

So does someone have to report a cheater? Wondering because if you saw my thread, I was accused of cheating. Was it a GM or did someone report me? And I had nothing like you guys are describing. I bought 2 players from the same team and sold 2 players to the same different team. Could those 2 teams me the same owner?

Sorry I typed really fast at work. Edited to not sound like an idiot.

BreizhManu · 01-11-2004, 06:02 AM

Allright, I was looking at my next opponents transfer history to see if they had improved and here is what I saw :

Quote:

08-01-2004 Sold Gil Lucsko to Pocheteam 150 000 Euro (99 000 Euro)
08-01-2004 Sold Jean-Pierre Léonard to parisetparis 42 000 Euro (60 000 Euro)
18-12-2003 Sold Gaston Chapon to parisetparis 50 000 Euro (26 000 Euro)
18-12-2003 Sold Michel Gaignette to parisetparis 8 000 Euro (5 000 Euro)
18-12-2003 Sold Aurélien Buffet to parisetparis 1 000 Euro (3 000 Euro)
14-12-2003 Sold René Duras to Pocheteam 50 000 Euro (28 000 Euro)
13-12-2003 Sold Benoit Taspinar to Pocheteam 1 000 Euro (5 000 Euro)
11-12-2003 Sold Maurice Macaud to parisetparis 5 000 Euro (14 000 Euro)

now I decided to check last connections :

Quote:

For team 1
5 latest logins
07-01-2004 at 18:34 from 82.66.***.***
07-01-2004 at 17:02 from 193.194.***.***
07-01-2004 at 14:11 from 193.194.***.***
07-01-2004 at 10:33 from 193.194.***.***
07-01-2004 at 09:02 from 193.194.***.***

Quote:

For team 2
Joined: 09-12-2003 at 12:03
5 latest logins
07-01-2004 at 10:36 from 193.194.***.***
05-01-2004 at 16:42 from 193.194.***.***
29-12-2003 at 11:42 from 193.194.***.***

Quote:

For team 3
Joined: 08-12-2003 at 16:19
5 latest logins
08-01-2004 at 12:51 from 193.194.***.***
08-01-2004 at 11:36 from 193.194.***.***
07-01-2004 at 09:59 from 193.194.***.***
06-01-2004 at 12:42 from 193.194.***.***
05-01-2004 at 10:34 from 193.194.***.***

Oh yeah, and Gil Lusko the guy who sold for 150k€ is an inadequate GK.

Did someone say cheater ?

The_herd · 01-11-2004, 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iceberg414

So does someone have to report a cheater? Wondering because if you saw my thread, I was accused of cheating. Was it a GM or did someone report me? And I had nothing like you guys are describing. I bought 2 players from the same team and sold 2 players to the same different team. Could those 2 teams me the same owner?

Sorry I typed really fast at work. Edited to not sound like an idiot.

Yeah, HT relies on users to report cheaters. Unless a GM or someone stumbles on one, then you were reported by someone.

Whoever did was really bad a spotting cheaters, or had a grudge against you.

robbgmaier · 01-11-2004, 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BreizhManu

Allright, I was looking at my next opponents transfer history to see if they had improved and here is what I saw :

now I decided to check last connections :

Oh yeah, and Gil Lusko the guy who sold for 150k€ is an inadequate GK.

Did someone say cheater ?

dude, the countdown clock is on this guy, all you have to do is send the team numbers to the appropriate GM on the cheat page, put in the summary that the one team has made 10 sales to the other two teams.....and he'll be locked out real fast. if not, just start bitching to any local HT bigwigs you might know.....I won't mention any names

BreizhManu · 01-11-2004, 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by robbgmaier

dude, the countdown clock is on this guy, all you have to do is send the team numbers to the appropriate GM on the cheat page, put in the summary that the one team has made 10 sales to the other two teams.....and he'll be locked out real fast. if not, just start bitching to any local HT bigwigs you might know.....I won't mention any names

me and another guy already reported him yesterday

The_herd · 01-11-2004, 03:27 PM

He'll most likely be locked out within 48-72 hours then.

robbgmaier · 01-11-2004, 09:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The_herd

He'll most likely be locked out within 48-72 hours then.

and then, we should use our computer geek skills to find him, tar and feather him, and post his pictures on the internet as the total dweeb that has to cheat at hattrick to find fullfillment

Poli · 01-11-2004, 09:57 PM

From one of my federation conferences:

For countries with managable transfer list sizes, search for anything with a bid of at least 10k (all values/prices from now on are in US$).

Some examples of very simple searches that usually turn up lots of cheaters:

Skill/price searches:
goalkeeper poor-weak min bid 10k
goalkeeper inadequate min bid 60k
goalkeeper passable min bid 200k
goalkeeper solid min bid 350k

Value/price searches:
max value 10k min bid 10k
min value 10k max value 30k min bid 30k
min value 30k max value 60k min bid 60k

The value/price searches are preferrably combined with skill values (max experience passable, max scoring skill passable etc.)

Please note that not all transfers that turn up with searches like these are cheats. Take especially note of clowns and coaches-to-be.

01-07-2004, 11:24 PM	#3
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	Note to self: Change my cheating strategy. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

01-08-2004, 12:37 AM	#4
daedalus Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000	You should go ahead and report it. Amusing note: The owner of the team that bought the player is named "darkiller". Hmmmmmmmmmmm. Last edited by daedalus : 01-08-2004 at 12:38 AM.

01-08-2004, 03:44 AM	#5
Icy Pro Starter Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Toledo - Spain	Umm how could anybody cheat? __________________

01-08-2004, 05:06 AM	#6
Alf Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Rennes, France	Transfers page => on the Right below "HELP" => report suspected cheaters. You enter the 2 TeamIds and free text __________________ FOFL - GML - IHOF - FranceStats

01-08-2004, 07:46 AM	#7
OldGiants College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Location, Location, Location	Yes, do so. I caught a guy in my league with two teams. He was bidding outragously on his second team's players to move cash to the Div V team he was trying to save. __________________ "The case of Great Britain is the most astonishing in this matter of inequality of rights in world soccer championships. The way they explained it to me as a child, God is one but He's three: Father, Son and Holy Ghost. I could never understand it. And I still don't understand why Great Britain is one but she's four....while [others] continue to be no more than one despite the diverse nationalities that make them up." Eduardo Galeano, SOCCER IN SUN AND SHADOW

01-07-2004, 10:06 PM	#2
vex Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Tulsa	Report it. I remember about 3-5 months ago I went on a cheat finding frenzy. Found about 30-60. Just check for inad Keepers and at a REALLY high bid and you'll find a ton of cheaters.

01-08-2004, 08:15 AM	#8
BreizhManu College Benchwarmer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Paris, France	just looked at the transfer, not sure there is cheating, perhaps an error.

01-08-2004, 09:31 AM	#10
fantastic flying froggies Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sunny South of France	Here 's what I just found : Code: 19. Bennie Detraz 1 100 000 Euro (OLTeam) Belongs to: Morobert Age: 19 years Value: 80 000 Euro Deadline: 09-01-2004 at 16:05 Stamina: inadequate Keeper: disastrous Playmaking: poor Passing: passable Winger: solid Defending: weak Scoring: wretched Set Pieces: wretched Highly suspicious. Plus, the player's for sale in the keeper section. Plus, the buying team has just sold just about all his players... Plus, the selling team is selling some other outfielders at the same time, all in the keeper section. What do y'all think ? __________________ Detroit Vampires (CFL) : Ve 're coming for your blood! Camargue Flamingos (WOOF): pretty in Pink Last edited by fantastic flying froggies : 01-08-2004 at 09:33 AM.

01-08-2004, 09:34 AM	#11
vex Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Tulsa	Also always make sure the player in question isn't a clown.

01-08-2004, 09:37 AM	#12
vex Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Tulsa	Best ways to check for cheaters is to: 1: Check the IPs 2: Check the transfer history, see if the teams have traded before 3: Also check to see if the teams have played multiple friendlies. They often shows their familiarity with each other. This basically confirms, isn't necessarily a reason to report.

01-08-2004, 10:17 AM	#15
OldGiants College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Location, Location, Location	Yes, the login times from the same IP is what I sent to the GMs. Perhaps this isn't cheating, but they will ban him for trying to run two teams. __________________ "The case of Great Britain is the most astonishing in this matter of inequality of rights in world soccer championships. The way they explained it to me as a child, God is one but He's three: Father, Son and Holy Ghost. I could never understand it. And I still don't understand why Great Britain is one but she's four....while [others] continue to be no more than one despite the diverse nationalities that make them up." Eduardo Galeano, SOCCER IN SUN AND SHADOW

01-08-2004, 11:45 AM	#16
Cosmicjello Mascot Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Lindon, UT	The IP's aren't always a certainty of a cheater. For instance, I work in a call center where there are several people with teams all on the same server all on the same IP address. Example: Wasatch Front: 1/8/2004 at 18.38 from 206.126.*.* FC Deportivo La Coruna : 1/8/2004 at 16.26 from 206.126.*.* Orient Express: 1/8/2004 at 14.56 from 206.126.*.* Twin Lizards: 1/7/2004 at 22.23 from 206.126.*.* All different people. It just happens that we work at the same company. __________________ StrongBad FC V.187

01-08-2004, 12:07 PM	#17
dacman College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: speak to the trout	With a firewall/proxy setup everyone on my company's intranet appears to have the exact same IP to anyone on the internet so even the GM's (who can see the entire IP address) have to do a little research. __________________ No signatures allowed.

01-08-2004, 12:43 PM	#18
BreizhManu College Benchwarmer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Paris, France	yep sure, but even if it isn't the same person, just someone working for the same company, that plus the transfer price gives you a cheater.

01-09-2004, 05:34 AM	#20
Cosmicjello Mascot Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Lindon, UT	Not funny. My days at work would be spent in limbo, aimlessly wandering from webpage to webpage with the lingering thought of a match report or a youth pull that won't happen. Would you do that to someone? That's the ultimate punishment. Anguish and desolation like the world has never known. Well, maybe not that bad but it would definately suck! __________________ StrongBad FC V.187 Last edited by Cosmicjello : 01-09-2004 at 05:34 AM.

01-09-2004, 08:41 AM	#21
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	1. perform transfer search 2. save search results as html file. Save only internal frame, i do it by right-click menu 3. open file with your HTML editor or text editor 4. replace HREF=" with HREF="http://195.149.159.155/Common/ using search & replace function 5. replace HREF=\' with HREF=\'http://195.149.159.155/Common/ 6. next day open hattrick using IP number : http://195.149.159.155/, not www.hattrick.org (important!) 7. catch cheaters __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

01-09-2004, 09:55 AM	#22
iceberg414 Mascot Join Date: Oct 2002	So does someone have to report a cheater? Wondering because if you saw my thread, I was accused of cheating. Was it a GM or did someone report me? And I had nothing like you guys are describing. I bought 2 players from the same team and sold 2 players to the same different team. Could those 2 teams me the same owner? Sorry I typed really fast at work. Edited to not sound like an idiot. __________________ iceberg slur...splurged on a chain Last edited by iceberg414 : 01-09-2004 at 02:11 PM.

01-11-2004, 03:27 PM	#27
The_herd College Starter Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Fort Lackland, Texas (San Antonio)	He'll most likely be locked out within 48-72 hours then. __________________ Oakland Raiders: HFL's 1970 AC West Champs

01-11-2004, 09:57 PM	#29
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	From one of my federation conferences: For countries with managable transfer list sizes, search for anything with a bid of at least 10k (all values/prices from now on are in US$). Some examples of very simple searches that usually turn up lots of cheaters: Skill/price searches: goalkeeper poor-weak min bid 10k goalkeeper inadequate min bid 60k goalkeeper passable min bid 200k goalkeeper solid min bid 350k Value/price searches: max value 10k min bid 10k min value 10k max value 30k min bid 30k min value 30k max value 60k min bid 60k The value/price searches are preferrably combined with skill values (max experience passable, max scoring skill passable etc.) Please note that not all transfers that turn up with searches like these are cheats. Take especially note of clowns and coaches-to-be. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

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