FBCB: AD Expectations

Peregrine · 03-17-2004, 01:34 PM

It's often commented on that some ADs seem to have inordinately high expectations for a coach that are hard to meet. I've been fired at high profile schools for doing a good but not great job. I have to wonder though, what kind of expectations this coach's AD must have. How can he still have a job?

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 Phillip Medellin - Head Coach - Gardner Webb
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 Age:             57
 High School:     Kerkhoven High School
 Hometown:        Kerkhoven, MN
 Alma Mater:      Eastern Washington
 
 Current Level:   4
 Career Record:   214 - 544
 
 Recruiting:      8
 Scouting:        11
 Offense:         12
 Defense:         9

 
 Coaching History:
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 Season Team                     Position      W   L  CW  CL  Postseason
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 2029   Gardner Webb             Head Coach    6  22   0   0  No Postseason
 2028   Gardner Webb             Head Coach    6  22   0   0  No Postseason
 2027   Gardner Webb             Head Coach    4  24   0   0  No Postseason
 2026   Gardner Webb             Head Coach   12  16   0   0  No Postseason
 2025   Gardner Webb             Head Coach   12  16   0   0  No Postseason
 2024   Gardner Webb             Head Coach   10  19   0   0  No Postseason
 2023   Gardner Webb             Head Coach   11  17   0   0  No Postseason
 2022   Gardner Webb             Head Coach    8  20   0   0  No Postseason
 2021   Gardner Webb             Head Coach    4  24   0   0  No Postseason
 2020   Gardner Webb             Head Coach    5  23   0   0  No Postseason
 2019   Gardner Webb             Head Coach   14  14   0   0  No Postseason
 2018   Gardner Webb             Head Coach   11  17   0   0  No Postseason
 2017   Gardner Webb             Head Coach   11  17   0   0  No Postseason
 2016   Gardner Webb             Head Coach    7  21   0   0  No Postseason
 2015   Gardner Webb             Head Coach    8  20   0   0  No Postseason
 2014   Gardner Webb             Head Coach    9  19   0   0  No Postseason
 2013   Gardner Webb             Head Coach    4  24   0   0  No Postseason
 2012   Gardner Webb             Head Coach    6  22   0   0  No Postseason
 2011   Gardner Webb             Head Coach    8  21   0   0  No Postseason
 2010   Gardner Webb             Head Coach   10  18   0   0  No Postseason
 2009   Gardner Webb             Head Coach    9  19   0   0  No Postseason
 2008   Gardner Webb             Head Coach    6  22   0   0  No Postseason
 2007   Gardner Webb             Head Coach    5  23   0   0  No Postseason
 2006   Gardner Webb             Head Coach   11  17   0   0  No Postseason
 2005   Gardner Webb             Head Coach    9  19   0   0  No Postseason
 2004   Gardner Webb             Head Coach    1  27   0   0  No Postseason
 2003   Gardner Webb             Head Coach    7  21   0   0  No Postseason
 
 Awards & Achievements:
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 Season   Award
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 2017     Conference Coach of the Year (Independent)
 
 Job Movement:
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 Season   Move
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 2003     Hired by Gardner Webb (Head Coach)

rjolley · 03-17-2004, 01:38 PM

Another question....how was he coach of the year with a 11-17 record? Are the independents THAT bad?

Actually, if they are that bad, then that would be why he still has a job...they are doing well for the level they're at.

Peregrine · 03-17-2004, 01:39 PM

Yeah, why 2017 and not 2019, his only .500 season?

Peregrine · 03-17-2004, 01:41 PM

Dola - Lol, I actually checked the G-W team and the coach's AD is currently delighted by his performance! Why can't I get these guys? Three straight seasons with 6 or fewer wins and they're crowing for more!

John Galt · 03-17-2004, 01:41 PM

I think the AD expectations vary wildly (which is IMO good). It sometimes makes it too hard when you take over a team, but that is often realistic.

rjolley · 03-17-2004, 01:42 PM

Maybe they're trying to get publicity by having the first winless and/or first 30 loss seasons.

Peregrine · 03-17-2004, 01:46 PM

The Independents are pretty horrible, actually. But most of them have coach turnover. IPFW's AD is currently delighted by their coach, who has a grand total of 10 wins in 4 seasons. I know that bad teams shouldn't have high expectations, but almost any schmoe off the street could coach better than these guys.

rjolley · 03-17-2004, 01:51 PM

I'm surprised they haven't canned him. Maybe since there's no conference title to compete for, the expectations of competing for a conference title doesn't come into play and the AD is satisfied otherwise.

corbes · 03-17-2004, 02:11 PM

Quote:

Phillip Medellin - Head Coach

Maybe the A.D. is afraid of Pablo Escobar?

Balldog · 03-17-2004, 02:14 PM

I know in one of my careers I took over at Purdue and the AD expected me to compete for the conference championship. Having checked the team's roster and comparing them to my La Tech roster I knew there was no way I could accomplish such a goal. Well two years later I was fired from Purdue and La Tech was 62-4 over those two seasons.

I think a lot of it has to do with your team's prestige compared to others in the conference.

Ben E Lou · 03-17-2004, 02:27 PM

Well, if his expectation was "avoid finishing last" most of the time, then it makes sense. I'll bet they didn't finish last among the Indies more than 5 or 6 times.

hukarez · 03-17-2004, 02:42 PM

Probably a bit late to ask this, but what exactly is 'AD' anyways?

FBCB term, I'm guessing?

Ben E Lou · 03-17-2004, 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hukarez

Probably a bit late to ask this, but what exactly is 'AD' anyways?

FBCB term, I'm guessing?

Athletic Director.

hukarez · 03-17-2004, 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SkyDog

Athletic Director.

Ah, thanks for the clarification! I was initially thinking AI, until I looked a bit closer.

Upstate J · 03-17-2004, 04:43 PM

Why do we have to pick on "G-Dubb"?? Maybe there should be a patch that updates the conferences and puts GWU in the Atlantic Sun. Hopefully, we can then use another school to pick (like Morris Brown).

Other than my obvious favortisim, I do agree whole-heartedly that the Independents bite, and have no chance of upward mobility.

Huckleberry · 03-17-2004, 04:50 PM

I'm getting the bug to purchase this game.

Is it possible when determining whether or not to accept a job at a school to check that school's hiring and firing history versus their season results? Because I agree with the above poster that stated that the wildly divergent AD expectations are a good thing, but only if I am able to know beforehand that I'm about to go to work for a hardass versus a softie.

RPI-Fan · 03-17-2004, 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Upstate J

Why do we have to pick on "G-Dubb"?? Maybe there should be a patch that updates the conferences and puts GWU in the Atlantic Sun. Hopefully, we can then use another school to pick (like Morris Brown).

Other than my obvious favortisim, I do agree whole-heartedly that the Independents bite, and have no chance of upward mobility.

I think you can changes conferences around with the editors in the tools menu. Not positive, though.

Ben E Lou · 03-17-2004, 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Upstate J

Other than my obvious favortisim, I do agree whole-heartedly that the Independents bite, and have no chance of upward mobility.

Well, I wouldn't say NO chance.

Peregrine · 03-17-2004, 05:56 PM

Congrats Skydog, it only took you 36 years!

Huckleberry - You can check out the info on the team that wants to hire you and usually see what kind of expectations the AD has. Often though, it's a tricky issue. If you're a coach who's trying to move up to prestige teams, generally the ones that will hire you are ones who have already fired their coaches (and created openings) or had the rare coach retirement. Sometimes they seem to have a chip on their shoulder. I took over Syracuse in 2028 in my game, which had faded over the years into a second-tier Big East team. But the AD still wanted to compete for the conference championship. Given time to build up a program, I probably could have, but since my half of the conference was loaded with no less than 3 top 15 teams, it was unlikely I could ever finish better than fourth. I didn't but improved the win totals each year, won the NIT my final year, but still got fired after three seasons. I saw it coming a mile away.

You're better off in some cases taking over a talented mid-major type team and building them into dominance, I did that with Utah State in a previous game. Easy conference so I almost always won it, and I gradually got to the point where I won the NCAAs.

03-17-2004, 01:38 PM	#2
rjolley College Starter Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Roseville, CA	Another question....how was he coach of the year with a 11-17 record? Are the independents THAT bad? Actually, if they are that bad, then that would be why he still has a job...they are doing well for the level they're at. Last edited by rjolley : 03-17-2004 at 01:39 PM.

03-17-2004, 01:41 PM	#5
John Galt Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Internets	I think the AD expectations vary wildly (which is IMO good). It sometimes makes it too hard when you take over a team, but that is often realistic. __________________ I do mind, the Dude minds. This will not stand, ya know, this aggression will not stand, man. - The Dude

03-17-2004, 02:27 PM	#11
Ben E Lou Morgado's Favorite Forum Fascist Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Greensboro, NC	Well, if his expectation was "avoid finishing last" most of the time, then it makes sense. I'll bet they didn't finish last among the Indies more than 5 or 6 times. __________________ The media don't understand the kinds of problems and pressures 54 million come wit'!

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hukarez College Starter Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Chula Vista, CA	Probably a bit late to ask this, but what exactly is 'AD' anyways? FBCB term, I'm guessing? __________________ ...what we have here is a man who looks like Tarzan, but fights like Jane! My VG collection \| Xbox 360 Gamertag: ManThol \| PS3 Network ID: hukarez Doce Pares International - San Diego Council Filipino Martial Arts Digest tweet tweet twitter

03-17-2004, 04:50 PM	#16
Huckleberry College Starter Join Date: Dec 2001	I'm getting the bug to purchase this game. Is it possible when determining whether or not to accept a job at a school to check that school's hiring and firing history versus their season results? Because I agree with the above poster that stated that the wildly divergent AD expectations are a good thing, but only if I am able to know beforehand that I'm about to go to work for a hardass versus a softie. __________________ The one thing all your failed relationships have in common is you. The Barking Carnival (Longhorn-centered sports blog) College Football Adjusted Stats and Ratings

03-17-2004, 01:39 PM	#3
Peregrine Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Cary, NC	Yeah, why 2017 and not 2019, his only .500 season?

03-17-2004, 01:42 PM	#6
rjolley College Starter Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Roseville, CA	Maybe they're trying to get publicity by having the first winless and/or first 30 loss seasons.

03-17-2004, 01:46 PM	#7
Peregrine Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Cary, NC	The Independents are pretty horrible, actually. But most of them have coach turnover. IPFW's AD is currently delighted by their coach, who has a grand total of 10 wins in 4 seasons. I know that bad teams shouldn't have high expectations, but almost any schmoe off the street could coach better than these guys.

03-17-2004, 01:51 PM	#8
rjolley College Starter Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Roseville, CA	I'm surprised they haven't canned him. Maybe since there's no conference title to compete for, the expectations of competing for a conference title doesn't come into play and the AD is satisfied otherwise.

03-17-2004, 02:14 PM	#10
Balldog Pro Rookie Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Macomb, MI	I know in one of my careers I took over at Purdue and the AD expected me to compete for the conference championship. Having checked the team's roster and comparing them to my La Tech roster I knew there was no way I could accomplish such a goal. Well two years later I was fired from Purdue and La Tech was 62-4 over those two seasons. I think a lot of it has to do with your team's prestige compared to others in the conference.

03-17-2004, 04:43 PM	#15
Upstate J n00b Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Upstate, SC	Why do we have to pick on "G-Dubb"?? Maybe there should be a patch that updates the conferences and puts GWU in the Atlantic Sun. Hopefully, we can then use another school to pick (like Morris Brown). Other than my obvious favortisim, I do agree whole-heartedly that the Independents bite, and have no chance of upward mobility.

03-17-2004, 05:56 PM	#19
Peregrine Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Cary, NC	Congrats Skydog, it only took you 36 years! Huckleberry - You can check out the info on the team that wants to hire you and usually see what kind of expectations the AD has. Often though, it's a tricky issue. If you're a coach who's trying to move up to prestige teams, generally the ones that will hire you are ones who have already fired their coaches (and created openings) or had the rare coach retirement. Sometimes they seem to have a chip on their shoulder. I took over Syracuse in 2028 in my game, which had faded over the years into a second-tier Big East team. But the AD still wanted to compete for the conference championship. Given time to build up a program, I probably could have, but since my half of the conference was loaded with no less than 3 top 15 teams, it was unlikely I could ever finish better than fourth. I didn't but improved the win totals each year, won the NIT my final year, but still got fired after three seasons. I saw it coming a mile away. You're better off in some cases taking over a talented mid-major type team and building them into dominance, I did that with Utah State in a previous game. Easy conference so I almost always won it, and I gradually got to the point where I won the NCAAs.

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