Bush the Uniter? (Band Aids at convention)

Flasch186 · 08-31-2004, 06:33 AM

Then at his convention his supporters where Band-Aids with purple hearts on them. Not blaming Bush for this as I'm sure he is only supportive of someone's war time efforts but I think that this just goes to show how divided America is right now and how willing people are to poke fun at someone's wounds received during war, regardless of what those wounds resulted in. Regardless, on the individual(s) who wore the band-aids I think it was a pretty low reflection of themself.

JonInMiddleGA · 08-31-2004, 06:40 AM

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I think it was a pretty low reflection of themself.

Kinda like Kerry's behavior since he got back home ... which is kinda what opens up the whole band-aid thing I guess.

Flasch186 · 08-31-2004, 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Kinda like Kerry's behavior since he got back home ... which is kinda what opens up the whole band-aid thing I guess.

no need to address that discussion as I believe we exhausted that in another thread. Were obviously going to believe what we want on that note:

You - it was dishonorable and traitorous.

Me - he was standing up for what he believed in.

BTW - Now Bush says we cant win the war on Terror (which I agree with him when he says, "In the conventional sense") but would that be conidered a flip or a flop or not at all?

JonInMiddleGA · 08-31-2004, 07:32 AM

FWIW, I'd say that his comments do indeed appear to fall into the category of a flip-flop, and I'm afraid it may ultimately cost him more votes that he had secured than anything he's said/done in the past 4 years.

If the comment is hammered home often enough & well enough, and if he's forced to defend and/or reiterate the remark, I believe it ultimately may keep some voters home on Election Day. I believe Karl Rove phrased it pretty well -- "We're in a war, so you got a lot of people who say, `I don't like the fact that we're in a war. But I want to win the war"

Off-hand, it is probably only the second time in his term that I've had a strong urge to smack him upside the head and say "WTF were you thinking?"

albionmoonlight · 08-31-2004, 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Off-hand, it is probably only the second time in his term that I've had a strong urge to smack him upside the head and say "WTF were you thinking?"

OK--I'll bite. What was the first?

As to the general discussion. I think that it is uncool for the conventioneers to in any way mock a war vets service. We all have family and friends in the military. It sickens me to see honor in combat mocked because of partisian politics.

However, I am really no more or less disgusted than I was when left wingers turned Paul Wellstone's memorial service into a tacky political rally. Wellstone was a great man--regardless of whether one believed in his populist politics. It sickened me to see his memory abused by those who were supposed to be his friends and allies.

So you really don't have to look to far to see straw men on both sides of the aisle to attack.

ice4277 · 08-31-2004, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

FWIW, I'd say that his comments do indeed appear to fall into the category of a flip-flop, and I'm afraid it may ultimately cost him more votes that he had secured than anything he's said/done in the past 4 years.
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Off-hand, it is probably only the second time in his term that I've had a strong urge to smack him upside the head and say "WTF were you thinking?"

But, I think it may be better to acknowledge that it may be an 'unwinnable' battle, than to try and delude people otherwise. Rationally, how could we ever expect to totally stop terrorism? He is merely adapting to a changing reality (or is it perception?)

Noop · 08-31-2004, 07:53 AM

Bush = Bad
Kerry = Bad

Vote = Kerry lesser of two evils.

JonInMiddleGA · 08-31-2004, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

OK--I'll bite. What was the first?

His "guest-worker" immigration proposal.

I'm not sure if I've ever heard anything from the mouth of any President that left me more incredulous, easily the most "Have you lost your mind?" moment with a sitting President I can recall in my 37 years.

{Note: Other Presidents have said/done things I disagreed with more, just none have surprised me so thoroughly with a disagreement that came out of left field}

Vegas Vic · 08-31-2004, 08:01 AM

It's really funny to see this band-aid mockery of Kerry's purple hearts coming from delegates who represent the party of the chickenhawks.

JonInMiddleGA · 08-31-2004, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by ice4277

Rationally, how could we ever expect to totally stop terrorism?

The same way you deal with rattlesnakes.

JonInMiddleGA · 08-31-2004, 08:04 AM

Good Lord VV, could you at least reduce the total height if you're going to post fucking garbage?

Ah, wait a minute, I know how to fix that problem.

edit to add: When in the hell did VV become an admin/moderator?

Flasch186 · 08-31-2004, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

His "guest-worker" immigration proposal.

I'm not sure if I've ever heard anything from the mouth of any President that left me more incredulous, easily the most "Have you lost your mind?" moment with a sitting President I can recall in my 37 years.

{Note: Other Presidents have said/done things I disagreed with more, just none have surprised me so thoroughly with a disagreement that came out of left field}

I couldnt agree with you more.

Cringer · 08-31-2004, 08:39 AM

You know what sucks? We have to do this again in 4 more years. Yes, that should be a good thing, but this is getting to be tiresome. Both parties make me sick...........

panerd · 08-31-2004, 08:55 AM

To be real honest outside of FOFC I really don't hear anything political at all. (I will amdit I do choose Seinfeld over the nightly news) Every once in a while somebody at work will discuss why they are voting for Kerry or Bush, but it is usually on a much simpler level than the "discourse" ever gets around here. It has been said before and I believe it to be true... My coworker feels no need to be an asshole and tell me how big an idot I am for voting for Kerry, and me the same with him for Bush. Unfortunatly, the internet sort of removes these social barriers.

Chief Rum · 08-31-2004, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by panerd

To be real honest outside of FOFC I really don't hear anything political at all. (I will amdit I do choose Seinfeld over the nightly news) Every once in a while somebody at work will discuss why they are voting for Kerry or Bush, but it is usually on a much simpler level than the "discourse" ever gets around here. It has been said before and I believe it to be true... My coworker feels no need to be an asshole and tell me how big an idot I am for voting for Kerry, and me the same with him for Bush. Unfortunatly, the internet sort of removes these social barriers.

panerd, you're such an idiot.

CR

Vaj · 08-31-2004, 09:23 AM

It's fitting that this vile bunch, who consider spending five days in NYC to be an act of heroism, would mock the sacrifices of tens of thousands.

I hope these delegates use defective condoms while demonstrating their version of family values to their AIDS-infected prostitiutes.

panerd · 08-31-2004, 09:23 AM

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panerd, you're such an idiot.

CR

(I was going to put a

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clintl · 08-31-2004, 09:34 AM

The main purpose of the modern political convention is for the party faithful to get together, party, get drunk, and take cheap shots at the opposition. As a cheap shot, at least it was creative.

cthomer5000 · 08-31-2004, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

As to the general discussion. I think that it is uncool for the conventioneers to in any way mock a war vets service. We all have family and friends in the military. It sickens me to see honor in combat mocked because of partisian politics.

Staying outside the politics of it all, this is exactly how I feel. Where somoene finds the balls to call out a veteran with numerous accolades is beyond me. If he questions his medals, you're indiciting the military, not him.

I'm by no means a pro-military guy in general, but I have very close friends in the service, and this level of disrespect for what they do is indefensible, IMHO.

Flasch186 · 08-31-2004, 01:15 PM

Well, now Bush says we will when the war on Terror (Rove mustve slapped him around a bit)...thank goodness, now I can sleep tonight.

Solecismic · 08-31-2004, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Noop

Bush = Bad
Kerry = Bad

Vote = Kerry lesser of two evils.

My wife said exactly the same thing last week. I'm leaning that way myself right now.

Noop · 08-31-2004, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Solecismic

My wife said exactly the same thing last week. I'm leaning that way myself right now.

Does that mean I will find out what your next game will be?

noop

Franklinnoble · 08-31-2004, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Solecismic

My wife said exactly the same thing last week. I'm leaning that way myself right now.

Leaning what way? Towards a political text sim as your next game? What does this all mean???

Solecismic · 08-31-2004, 01:33 PM

I've dropped too many hints already. It's not my fault if you guys aren't picking them up.

Noop · 08-31-2004, 01:36 PM

It is a political game.

Bee · 08-31-2004, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Solecismic

I've dropped too many hints already. It's not my fault if you guys aren't picking them up.

Picking them up?

hmm...Front Office Trash Collector?

rkmsuf · 08-31-2004, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Noop

It is a political game.

very good and your name is poon spelled backwards

rkmsuf · 08-31-2004, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Bee

Picking them up?

hmm...Front Office Trash Collector?

Front Office Prostitution?

Franklinnoble · 08-31-2004, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Solecismic

I've dropped too many hints already. It's not my fault if you guys aren't picking them up.

I knew it....

rkmsuf · 08-31-2004, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Franklinnoble

I knew it....

You are the modern day sherlock holmes

Bee · 08-31-2004, 01:39 PM

I wonder how many are now going through Jim's recent posts...

Edit: Other than me...

Noop · 08-31-2004, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by rkmsuf

very good and your name is poon spelled backwards

Actually it is spoon but I will let you slide....

This is my proof. *Jim you want this removed please say so because I don't know if your cool with everyone seeing your family and what not.*

rkmsuf · 08-31-2004, 01:42 PM

good work spoon

Noop · 08-31-2004, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by rkmsuf

good work spoon

What does your name mean?

rkmsuf · 08-31-2004, 01:48 PM

rkm - Rockingham Park
suf - Suffolk Downs

racetracks in NH and MA.

I'd much rather be poon.

Bee · 08-31-2004, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by rkmsuf

I'd much rather be poon.

Wouldn't we all

Franklinnoble · 08-31-2004, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Noop

Actually it is spoon but I will let you slide....

This is my proof. *Jim you want this removed please say so because I don't know if your cool with everyone seeing your family and what not.*

Obi-Wan has taught you well.

Noop · 08-31-2004, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by rkmsuf

rkm - Rockingham Park
suf - Suffolk Downs

racetracks in NH and MA.

I'd much rather be poon.

You want men to fuck you?

rkmsuf · 08-31-2004, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Noop

You want men to fuck you?

I don't know. I'd feel funny professing I want to be 'dick'. How bout 'poonsmaniac'?

Desnudo · 08-31-2004, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Noop

You want men to fuck you?

Poon, your quote disturbs me enough that I may have to put you on ignore to avoid having to look at it everytime I read your post. And am I reading an offer from Poon to Rkmsuf?

rkmsuf · 08-31-2004, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Desnudo

Poon, your quote disturbs me enough that I may have to put you on ignore to avoid having to look at it everytime I read your post. And am I reading an offer from Poon to Rkmsuf?

Yesh, that is quite disgustin. Please refrain from offering Rkmsuf's wang around.

Noop · 08-31-2004, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by rkmsuf

I don't know. I'd feel funny professing I want to be 'dick'. How bout 'poonsmaniac'?

I'm sorry but I just giggled so much i farted....

Ok Jim we now know what your next game is unless the curve ball is you can actually vote in TCY which I doubt because you could be saving that just incase your political sim doesn't do as well. So unless you want me to continue my wild guessing you might as well spill the beans after all we are your loyal subjects.

noop

Noop · 08-31-2004, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Desnudo

Poon, your quote disturbs me enough that I may have to put you on ignore to avoid having to look at it everytime I read your post. And am I reading an offer from Poon to Rkmsuf?

Are you talking about my sig? And who is poon?

Desnudo · 08-31-2004, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Noop

Are you talking about my sig? And who is poon?

You are Poon. And yes.

Cuckoo · 08-31-2004, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Solecismic

My wife said exactly the same thing last week. I'm leaning that way myself right now.

That's funny. I've said the same thing several times as well with a somewhat different conclusion.

Bush = bad
Kerry = bad

Vote = Bush lesser of two evils. At least with him, I know what I'm going to get.

BTW, if it is a political sim, you can count on my money despite how sick I am of election year crap.

Chief Rum · 08-31-2004, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by panerd

(I was going to put a

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Touché

CR

Glengoyne · 08-31-2004, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Noop

Bush = Bad
Kerry = Bad

Vote = Kerry lesser of two evils.

I'm in the camp that'd rather vote for Bush because he is a known evil. I think I can put up with the crap he does, that I don't like for another four years. With Kerry, I don't know if that's the case.

Glengoyne · 08-31-2004, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Cuckoo

That's funny. I've said the same thing several times as well with a somewhat different conclusion.

Bush = bad
Kerry = bad

Vote = Bush lesser of two evils. At least with him, I know what I'm going to get.

BTW, if it is a political sim, you can count on my money despite how sick I am of election year crap.

Damn,

Teach me to post without reading the whole thread.

QuikSand · 08-31-2004, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Noop

I'm sorry but I just giggled so much i farted....

...cue Franklin's now-regular call for the QotM to be reinstated...

Franklinnoble · 08-31-2004, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by QuikSand

...cue Franklin's now-regular call for the QotM to be reinstated...

I've actually been trying to lay off that for a while, in hopes that the almighty slapper-of-bitches might find favor in my restraint, and grant my wish of a well-moderated return of the QOTM...

08-31-2004, 07:32 AM	#4
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	FWIW, I'd say that his comments do indeed appear to fall into the category of a flip-flop, and I'm afraid it may ultimately cost him more votes that he had secured than anything he's said/done in the past 4 years. If the comment is hammered home often enough & well enough, and if he's forced to defend and/or reiterate the remark, I believe it ultimately may keep some voters home on Election Day. I believe Karl Rove phrased it pretty well -- "We're in a war, so you got a lot of people who say, `I don't like the fact that we're in a war. But I want to win the war" Off-hand, it is probably only the second time in his term that I've had a strong urge to smack him upside the head and say "WTF were you thinking?" __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis

08-31-2004, 07:53 AM	#7
Noop Bonafide Seminole Fan Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Florida	Bush = Bad Kerry = Bad Vote = Kerry lesser of two evils. __________________ Living in an Oligarchy.

08-31-2004, 08:04 AM	#11
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	Good Lord VV, could you at least reduce the total height if you're going to post fucking garbage? Ah, wait a minute, I know how to fix that problem. edit to add: When in the hell did VV become an admin/moderator? __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis Last edited by JonInMiddleGA : 08-31-2004 at 08:05 AM.

08-31-2004, 08:39 AM	#13
Cringer Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Edinburg,TX	You know what sucks? We have to do this again in 4 more years. Yes, that should be a good thing, but this is getting to be tiresome. Both parties make me sick........... __________________ You Stole Fizzy Lifting drinks! You bumped into the ceiling which now has to be washed and steralized, so you get NOTHING! You lose!

08-31-2004, 09:23 AM	#16
Vaj H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Lawn Gisland, NY	It's fitting that this vile bunch, who consider spending five days in NYC to be an act of heroism, would mock the sacrifices of tens of thousands. I hope these delegates use defective condoms while demonstrating their version of family values to their AIDS-infected prostitiutes. __________________ "To all of those here who work in marketing or advertising: kill yourselves." -- Bill Hicks "Christianity's such an odd religion. The whole image is that eternal suffering awaits anyone who questions God's infinite love" -- Bill Hicks

08-31-2004, 08:01 AM	#9
Vegas Vic Checkraising Tourists Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cocoa Beach, FL	It's really funny to see this band-aid mockery of Kerry's purple hearts coming from delegates who represent the party of the chickenhawks.

08-31-2004, 08:55 AM	#14
panerd Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: St. Louis	To be real honest outside of FOFC I really don't hear anything political at all. (I will amdit I do choose Seinfeld over the nightly news) Every once in a while somebody at work will discuss why they are voting for Kerry or Bush, but it is usually on a much simpler level than the "discourse" ever gets around here. It has been said before and I believe it to be true... My coworker feels no need to be an asshole and tell me how big an idot I am for voting for Kerry, and me the same with him for Bush. Unfortunatly, the internet sort of removes these social barriers.

08-31-2004, 09:34 AM	#18
clintl College Starter Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Davis, CA	The main purpose of the modern political convention is for the party faithful to get together, party, get drunk, and take cheap shots at the opposition. As a cheap shot, at least it was creative.

08-31-2004, 01:15 PM	#20
Flasch186 Coordinator Join Date: May 2002 Location: Jacksonville, FL	Well, now Bush says we will when the war on Terror (Rove mustve slapped him around a bit)...thank goodness, now I can sleep tonight. __________________ Jacksonville-florida-homes-for-sale Putting a New Spin on Real Estate! ----------------------------------------------------------- Commissioner of the USFL USFL

08-31-2004, 01:33 PM	#24
Solecismic Solecismic Software Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Canton, OH	I've dropped too many hints already. It's not my fault if you guys aren't picking them up.

08-31-2004, 01:36 PM	#25
Noop Bonafide Seminole Fan Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Florida	It is a political game. __________________ Living in an Oligarchy.

08-31-2004, 01:39 PM	#31
Bee Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fairfax, VA	I wonder how many are now going through Jim's recent posts... Edit: Other than me... Last edited by Bee : 08-31-2004 at 01:42 PM.

08-31-2004, 01:42 PM	#33
rkmsuf Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2001	good work spoon __________________ "Don't you have homes?" -- Judge Smales

08-31-2004, 01:48 PM	#35
rkmsuf Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2001	rkm - Rockingham Park suf - Suffolk Downs racetracks in NH and MA. I'd much rather be poon. __________________ "Don't you have homes?" -- Judge Smales

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