Will it be Cal or Texas?

MrBug708 · 12-05-2004, 03:20 PM

I'm generally in favor of the BCS, but if Cal gets screwed out of the Rose Bowl in favor of Texas, I'm off of the BCS wagon.

Joe · 12-05-2004, 03:21 PM

guess you're off the BCS wagon then, its gonna happen

Chubby · 12-05-2004, 03:22 PM

MrBug708 · 12-05-2004, 03:23 PM

I think when the Rose Bowl's BCS contract is up, I think they'll opt out of it, unless they can always get a PAC-10/Big-11 matchup every year, regardless of record.

Cuckoo · 12-05-2004, 03:23 PM

Yep, I think it's going to be Texas. And although I think both are very good football teams, I think Cal probably should be in the Rose Bowl against Michigan. But I'm a bit of a purist, and I like that Pac-10/Big 10 match-up.

SunDancer · 12-05-2004, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

I think when the Rose Bowl's BCS contract is up, I think they'll opt out of it, unless they can always get a PAC-10/Big-11 matchup every year, regardless of record.

Yes, but if the Rose Bowl opts out, won't they have to convince the Pac-10/Big Ten to come with them?

Noop · 12-05-2004, 03:27 PM

Seriously who cares... Cal or Texas I belive would win... no offense to Michigan fans but you guys fell backward into the title.

digamma · 12-05-2004, 03:28 PM

It will be Texas. They only needed to pick up like 7 points in the polls and they picked up about 43 in the coaches and about 30 in the AP.

I think Texas/Cal is a close call. I don't think Cal got screwed here.

MrBug708 · 12-05-2004, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by SunDancer

Yes, but if the Rose Bowl opts out, won't they have to convince the Pac-10/Big Ten to come with them?

I'm sure that they won't mind, provided the cash is a good amount

MrBug708 · 12-05-2004, 03:34 PM

Dola

It just wouldn't have NC implications is all

DeToxRox · 12-05-2004, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

I'm sure that they won't mind, provided the cash is a good amount

But then it garuntees you can't win a National Championship. I don't think that'd fly.

MrBug708 · 12-05-2004, 03:43 PM

But if the Rose Bowl has no title hopes except every 4 years, what is the big difference? ASU vs Wisconsin wouldn't be a bad game either. Not the best of the best, but it surely keeps the historical aspects alive as opposed to dull games like OU-WSU and Miami-Nebraska

digamma · 12-05-2004, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

But if the Rose Bowl has no title hopes except every 4 years, what is the big difference? ASU vs Wisconsin wouldn't be a bad game either. Not the best of the best, but it surely keeps the historical aspects alive as opposed to dull games like OU-WSU and Miami-Nebraska

It makes a difference to the teams in the conferences.

fflix · 12-05-2004, 03:50 PM

cal alum here, if the voters were going to keep giving votes to texas when they don't play, I'd wish they would have just had texas #4 to begin with and have cal at #8, instead of giving us fans false hope.

DeToxRox · 12-05-2004, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

But if the Rose Bowl has no title hopes except every 4 years, what is the big difference? ASU vs Wisconsin wouldn't be a bad game either. Not the best of the best, but it surely keeps the historical aspects alive as opposed to dull games like OU-WSU and Miami-Nebraska

Er my fault for not clarifying. I meant that the conferences wouldn't have NC chances.

MrBug708 · 12-05-2004, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by digamma

It makes a difference to the teams in the conferences.

True, but not in the historical sense. I think the Rose Bowl takes pride in being known as the Granddaddy of them all and would much rather keep to tradition then have a Texas-Michigan matchup

G-Man · 12-05-2004, 04:02 PM

Cal would dismantle Pitt. Cal only has one loss and that to number one USC. Pitt has three losses to three unranked teams! Cal is ranked either 4th or 5 th while Pitt is ranked 19th! How does it make any logical sense that Pitt makes it to a BCS Bowl while Cal plays in a second tier bowl!

I say screw the legal ramifications and law suits! Kick Pitt to the lesser bowl and put Cal in the Fiesta Bowl and watch them drub Utah!

BTW why does Pitt get to play in the Fiesta? Do you think that the BCS coudl opt out for Cal instead and make 3 at large bids because Pitt has three losses and is 14 spots below Cal, who is in the top five? Nah that would probably make to much sense and this is the BCS we are talking about!

Chubby · 12-05-2004, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by G-Man

Cal would dismantle Pitt. Cal only has one loss and that to number one USC. Pitt has three losses to three unranked teams! Cal is ranked either 4th or 5 th while Pitt is ranked 19th! How does it make any logical sense that Pitt makes it to a BCS Bowl while Cal plays in a second tier bowl!

I say screw the legal ramifications and law suits! Kick Pitt to the lesser bowl and put Cal in the Fiesta Bowl and watch them drub Utah!

BTW why does Pitt get to play in the Fiesta? Do you think that the BCS coudl opt out for Cal instead and make 3 at large bids because Pitt has three losses and is 14 spots below Cal, who is in the top five? Nah that would probably make to much sense and this is the BCS we are talking about!

wah wah wah, but anything that furthers the demise of the BcS is ok with me

DeToxRox · 12-05-2004, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by G-Man

Cal would dismantle Pitt. Cal only has one loss and that to number one USC. Pitt has three losses to three unranked teams! Cal is ranked either 4th or 5 th while Pitt is ranked 19th! How does it make any logical sense that Pitt makes it to a BCS Bowl while Cal plays in a second tier bowl!

I say screw the legal ramifications and law suits! Kick Pitt to the lesser bowl and put Cal in the Fiesta Bowl and watch them drub Utah!

BTW why does Pitt get to play in the Fiesta? Do you think that the BCS coudl opt out for Cal instead and make 3 at large bids because Pitt has three losses and is 14 spots below Cal, who is in the top five? Nah that would probably make to much sense and this is the BCS we are talking about!

Let Cal go to the Rose to play Michigan.

Let Texas drum Utah in the Fiesta.

DeToxRox · 12-05-2004, 04:04 PM

tho i still would love to see michigan vs ut

GrantDawg · 12-05-2004, 04:05 PM

I say let the Rose Bowl have their conference affliation and create a playoff to determine a champion. Everyone is happy.

kcchief19 · 12-05-2004, 04:12 PM

Michigan-Pittsburgh, Texas-Utah. I love it.

CHEMICAL SOLDIER · 12-05-2004, 04:12 PM

They could always add The Gator Bowl to the BCS.

QuikSand · 12-05-2004, 04:19 PM

Pitt.

Wow.

DeToxRox · 12-05-2004, 04:19 PM

lol

I seriously think two of the four games will be routes now.

CHEMICAL SOLDIER · 12-05-2004, 04:20 PM

Now, which bowl would replace The Rose Bowl iwhen it leaves the bcs.

MrBug708 · 12-05-2004, 04:23 PM

Cotton Bowl or Gator Bowl

Chubby · 12-05-2004, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

Cotton Bowl or Gator Bowl

if i'm choosing between just those two then it's easily the cotton bowl as it has more history.

dawgfan · 12-05-2004, 04:24 PM

Revert back to the old bowl system and traditional affiliations with conferences. If we really are still chomping at the bit for some kind of official "champion", create a college Super Bowl and pick the 2 best teams after the end of the bowls to play for a "championship". Wouldn't be any more controversial than the current BCS system, it would keep the bowls and all the cool things they provide for the participating schools, players and alums, and it would avoid this bastardized current system where the bowls frequently lose their traditional matchups.

The current system is a hodge-podged mess, and I liked it better before the whole thing was concocted.

Chubby · 12-05-2004, 04:26 PM

and the BCS screws Utah by pitting them against shitty Pitt

SunDancer · 12-05-2004, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

I'm sure that they won't mind, provided the cash is a good amount

That's the key word-cash. I think that Rose Bowl wants to keep tradition, but the two conferences are becoming more about money. I'm not sure the money the Rose Bowl would outbeat the BCS contract and bids.

DeToxRox · 12-05-2004, 04:29 PM

the BCS can't even get their site/show to match

CHEMICAL SOLDIER · 12-05-2004, 04:30 PM

Pitt v. Cal show down would really be an egg on the face of CAL.

Solecismic · 12-05-2004, 04:31 PM

Both Cal and Texas deserve to be in this BCS thing. Pitt? No. Not even close. It's too bad for the mid-majors, who have a lot of hopes pinned on the success of what's been an exceptional season from Utah. Because beating Pitt won't prove anything. And perhaps losing to Pitt would. There's nothing to gain here.

SunDancer · 12-05-2004, 04:32 PM

I would love to Auburn play Utah, Virgina Tech play Pittsburgh, and Cal-Michigan.

Sharpieman · 12-05-2004, 04:33 PM

absolute bullshit the Rose Bowl belongs to the Pac-10 and Big Ten. Texas Tech vs. Cal? You've got to be kidding me. Pitt vs. Utah? Pittsburgh does not deserve that bowl game. Pittsburgh only beat 1 team in the top 25 all year! They lost to UCONN and Nebraska too! The BCS and Bowl game setup is completely out of wack. I hate Cal - I'm a Stanford fan, but they deserve to go to a better bowl than the Pacific Life bowl against Texas Tech.

Someone please explain to me how the #5 team in the BCS gets snubbed out of Fiesta AND the Rose. I can kinda understand Texas getting the Rose over Cal, but Pittsburgh?????? You've got to be fucking kidding me. This is a complete disgrace. The system is broken.

Chubby · 12-05-2004, 04:34 PM

texas boooooo

Sharpieman · 12-05-2004, 04:35 PM

I don't even understand the their logic behind putting Pitt in there. Whats up with that?

Chubby · 12-05-2004, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Sharpieman

I don't even understand the their logic behind putting Pitt in there. Whats up with that?

umm, they have to. not very complicated.

cthomer5000 · 12-05-2004, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Solecismic

beating Pitt won't prove anything. And perhaps losing to Pitt would. There's nothing to gain here.

I completely agree. I wish an Auburn-Utah matchup had been possible.

MrBug708 · 12-05-2004, 04:37 PM

Automatic tie in. It has everything to do with VT and Miami for leaving the ACC. I think this is the last year of their automatic tie in

SunDancer · 12-05-2004, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Sharpieman

I don't even understand the their logic behind putting Pitt in there. Whats up with that?

They got the automatic bid for the Big East.

jbmagic · 12-05-2004, 04:37 PM

texas in , cal is out

Chubby · 12-05-2004, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

Automatic tie in. It has everything to do with VT and Miami for leaving the ACC. I think this is the last year of their automatic tie in

you'd be wrong

SunDancer · 12-05-2004, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

Automatic tie in. It has everything to do with VT and Miami for leaving the ACC. I think this is the last year of their automatic tie in

But does the Big East have a contract with the BCS for the automatic bid? If so, I'm not sure how you go about it, without getting lawsuits by the conference, unless you eliminate all automatic bids.

Chubby · 12-05-2004, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by SunDancer

But does the Big East have a contract with the BCS for the automatic bid?

yup and it was extended before this season.

Sharpieman · 12-05-2004, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by SunDancer

They got the automatic bid for the Big East.

Pitt didn't even win their conference. Automatic bid is absolutely ridiculous.

Chubby · 12-05-2004, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Sharpieman

Pitt didn't even win their conference. Automatic bid is absolutely ridiculous.

how did they not win the conference?

cthomer5000 · 12-05-2004, 04:41 PM

Yes Pitt did win their conference.

Sharpieman · 12-05-2004, 04:41 PM

Oh man, I know its a contract obligation but its still just wrong. Cal deserved better, plus they're a lot of fun to watch.

12-05-2004, 03:22 PM	#3
Chubby Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Syracuse, NY	utah

12-05-2004, 03:27 PM	#7
Noop Bonafide Seminole Fan Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Florida	Seriously who cares... Cal or Texas I belive would win... no offense to Michigan fans but you guys fell backward into the title. __________________ Living in an Oligarchy.

12-05-2004, 04:02 PM	#17
G-Man High School JV Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Seattle, Washington	Pittsburgh should be OUT!! Cal would dismantle Pitt. Cal only has one loss and that to number one USC. Pitt has three losses to three unranked teams! Cal is ranked either 4th or 5 th while Pitt is ranked 19th! How does it make any logical sense that Pitt makes it to a BCS Bowl while Cal plays in a second tier bowl! I say screw the legal ramifications and law suits! Kick Pitt to the lesser bowl and put Cal in the Fiesta Bowl and watch them drub Utah! BTW why does Pitt get to play in the Fiesta? Do you think that the BCS coudl opt out for Cal instead and make 3 at large bids because Pitt has three losses and is 14 spots below Cal, who is in the top five? Nah that would probably make to much sense and this is the BCS we are talking about! __________________ Hebrews 11:1 "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen"

12-05-2004, 04:12 PM	#23
CHEMICAL SOLDIER College Starter Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Henderson, Nevada	They could always add The Gator Bowl to the BCS. __________________ Toujour Pret

12-05-2004, 04:20 PM	#26
CHEMICAL SOLDIER College Starter Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Henderson, Nevada	Now, which bowl would replace The Rose Bowl iwhen it leaves the bcs. __________________ Toujour Pret

12-05-2004, 03:21 PM	#2
Joe Pro Starter Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Minneapolis	guess you're off the BCS wagon then, its gonna happen

12-05-2004, 03:23 PM	#4
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	I think when the Rose Bowl's BCS contract is up, I think they'll opt out of it, unless they can always get a PAC-10/Big-11 matchup every year, regardless of record.

12-05-2004, 03:23 PM	#5
Cuckoo College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Edmond, OK	Yep, I think it's going to be Texas. And although I think both are very good football teams, I think Cal probably should be in the Rose Bowl against Michigan. But I'm a bit of a purist, and I like that Pac-10/Big 10 match-up. __________________ Commissioner - North American Football League Dallas Cowboys GM

12-05-2004, 03:28 PM	#8
digamma Torchbearer Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: On Lake Harriet	It will be Texas. They only needed to pick up like 7 points in the polls and they picked up about 43 in the coaches and about 30 in the AP. I think Texas/Cal is a close call. I don't think Cal got screwed here.

12-05-2004, 03:34 PM	#10
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Dola It just wouldn't have NC implications is all

12-05-2004, 03:43 PM	#12
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	But if the Rose Bowl has no title hopes except every 4 years, what is the big difference? ASU vs Wisconsin wouldn't be a bad game either. Not the best of the best, but it surely keeps the historical aspects alive as opposed to dull games like OU-WSU and Miami-Nebraska

12-05-2004, 03:50 PM	#14
fflix Mascot Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: CA	cal alum here, if the voters were going to keep giving votes to texas when they don't play, I'd wish they would have just had texas #4 to begin with and have cal at #8, instead of giving us fans false hope.

12-05-2004, 04:04 PM	#20
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	tho i still would love to see michigan vs ut

12-05-2004, 04:05 PM	#21
GrantDawg World Champion Mis-speller Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Covington, Ga.	I say let the Rose Bowl have their conference affliation and create a playoff to determine a champion. Everyone is happy.

12-05-2004, 04:12 PM	#22
kcchief19 Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Kansas City, MO	Michigan-Pittsburgh, Texas-Utah. I love it.

12-05-2004, 04:19 PM	#24
QuikSand lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Annapolis, Md	Pitt. Wow.

12-05-2004, 04:23 PM	#27
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Cotton Bowl or Gator Bowl

12-05-2004, 04:24 PM	#29
dawgfan Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Seattle	Revert back to the old bowl system and traditional affiliations with conferences. If we really are still chomping at the bit for some kind of official "champion", create a college Super Bowl and pick the 2 best teams after the end of the bowls to play for a "championship". Wouldn't be any more controversial than the current BCS system, it would keep the bowls and all the cool things they provide for the participating schools, players and alums, and it would avoid this bastardized current system where the bowls frequently lose their traditional matchups. The current system is a hodge-podged mess, and I liked it better before the whole thing was concocted.

12-05-2004, 04:26 PM	#30
Chubby Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Syracuse, NY	and the BCS screws Utah by pitting them against shitty Pitt

12-05-2004, 04:29 PM	#32
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	the BCS can't even get their site/show to match

12-05-2004, 04:30 PM	#33
CHEMICAL SOLDIER College Starter Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Henderson, Nevada	Pitt v. Cal show down would really be an egg on the face of CAL. __________________ Toujour Pret

12-05-2004, 04:31 PM	#34
Solecismic Solecismic Software Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Canton, OH	Both Cal and Texas deserve to be in this BCS thing. Pitt? No. Not even close. It's too bad for the mid-majors, who have a lot of hopes pinned on the success of what's been an exceptional season from Utah. Because beating Pitt won't prove anything. And perhaps losing to Pitt would. There's nothing to gain here.

12-05-2004, 04:32 PM	#35
SunDancer College Benchwarmer Join Date: Sep 2002	I would love to Auburn play Utah, Virgina Tech play Pittsburgh, and Cal-Michigan.

12-05-2004, 04:33 PM	#36
Sharpieman Greatly Missed. (7/11/84-06/12/05) Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Palo Alto, CA	absolute bullshit the Rose Bowl belongs to the Pac-10 and Big Ten. Texas Tech vs. Cal? You've got to be kidding me. Pitt vs. Utah? Pittsburgh does not deserve that bowl game. Pittsburgh only beat 1 team in the top 25 all year! They lost to UCONN and Nebraska too! The BCS and Bowl game setup is completely out of wack. I hate Cal - I'm a Stanford fan, but they deserve to go to a better bowl than the Pacific Life bowl against Texas Tech. Someone please explain to me how the #5 team in the BCS gets snubbed out of Fiesta AND the Rose. I can kinda understand Texas getting the Rose over Cal, but Pittsburgh?????? You've got to be fucking kidding me. This is a complete disgrace. The system is broken.

12-05-2004, 04:34 PM	#37
Chubby Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Syracuse, NY	texas boooooo

12-05-2004, 04:35 PM	#38
Sharpieman Greatly Missed. (7/11/84-06/12/05) Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Palo Alto, CA	I don't even understand the their logic behind putting Pitt in there. Whats up with that?

12-05-2004, 04:37 PM	#41
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Automatic tie in. It has everything to do with VT and Miami for leaving the ACC. I think this is the last year of their automatic tie in

12-05-2004, 04:37 PM	#43
jbmagic Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2004	texas in , cal is out

12-05-2004, 04:41 PM	#50
Sharpieman Greatly Missed. (7/11/84-06/12/05) Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Palo Alto, CA	Oh man, I know its a contract obligation but its still just wrong. Cal deserved better, plus they're a lot of fun to watch.

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