Wow!

BigJohn&TheLions · 04-23-2005, 01:29 PM

Mike Williams???

OK. Let's start the excuses for Harrington...

1. Mike Williams was a rookie who hadn't played football for a year. After a year under his belt he will really be ready.

2. Rogers was essentially a rookie after his first two seasons were lost. He'll really be ready.

3. If the Lions had taken Alex Barron he would have solidified the line and been able to protect Joey. Then, Joey would have had the breakout season.

4. If his receivers had only stayed healthy...

5. Having to look over his shoulder at Garcia all season didn't help him.

6. Look at how Drew Brees improved when a veterain like McCardell came in. What Joey needs is an accomplished veterain to throw to instead of all these young guys with "potential."

7. It's the offense. The Lions need to play to Joey's strength, instead of a passing game that relies on accuracy.

8. If the Lions could only put some talent around him...

9. Tedford should be the offensive coordinator. He knows Joey.

10. Next year will be his breakout year. Wait 'til next year...

timmynausea · 04-23-2005, 01:33 PM

11. He sucks.

TLK · 04-23-2005, 01:35 PM

I'm still at a loss for words.

If Millen grabs Justin Tuck in the second round.... I'll forgive him.

Schmidty · 04-23-2005, 01:36 PM

Your negativity makes me sad.

I think it was a great pick, since he was the best guy left on the board BY FAR. I wouldn't be suprised if Millen is sitting back taking offers on Williams as we speak. Even if we keep him, it provides us with yet another game-breaker, which is the best thing to get when you can.

timmynausea · 04-23-2005, 01:38 PM

I also think it was a great pick.

BigJohn&TheLions · 04-23-2005, 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by timmynausea

11. He sucks.

You know. As a Lion fan I haven't considered this possibility. Maybe you might be on to something...

GAR-SEE-AHH! GAR-SEE-AHH! GAR-SEE-AHH!

timmynausea · 04-23-2005, 01:42 PM

I'm not actually sure what to make of Joey. I'm starting to think there's a strong possibility he just isn't very good. I think he could be decent with all these good recievers, though. Maybe I'm wrong and he'll turn out to be pretty good.

Eaglesfan27 · 04-23-2005, 01:44 PM

I'm also in the camp that Mike Williams was a great pick. I've just become a Lions fan if they keep him (although I'd still root for the Eagles or the Saints over the Lions.)

moriarty · 04-23-2005, 01:47 PM

I like Mike Williams ... just not sure he was the best pick for Detroit.

FF · 04-23-2005, 01:54 PM

so im the only one that doesent think joey sucks? he was throwing to guys named swinton and kircus and a williams that wasnt 100%. is it his fault that his WRs cant catch the damn ball?

Schmidty · 04-23-2005, 01:55 PM

It's funny. The last time the Lions took a WR at #10, it turned out pretty well: Herman Moore. Williams reminds me a whole lot of Moore. I hope Williams turns out to be like Herman.

Joe · 04-23-2005, 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FF

so im the only one that doesent think joey sucks? he was throwing to guys named swinton and kircus and a williams that wasnt 100%. is it his fault that his WRs cant catch the damn ball?

its his fault that the WRs are always injured.

BigJohn&TheLions · 04-23-2005, 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by George W Bush

its his fault that the WRs are always injured.

Not entirely. Sure, Joey throws the ball where the receiver has to sacrifice his body to make a play, but if it wasn't for the defense, the ground, the frail human body, and physics I am sure Joey's receivers could stay healthy and he could have a marvelously medeocre career.

Ragone · 04-23-2005, 02:42 PM

Man.. Did Mike Williams mess around with Merrill Hoge's wife or something?

he cannot stand him

korme · 04-23-2005, 03:13 PM

joey just always looks so jumpy in the pocket, he needs to settle down

but that trio.. could be nasty.

Ragone · 04-23-2005, 03:18 PM

Only thing that ensures is the cheesers that play online in madden 2006 will all be picking detroit..

Joe · 04-23-2005, 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ragone

Only thing that ensures is the cheesers that play online in madden 2006 will all be picking detroit..

whats a cheeser?

DanGarion · 04-23-2005, 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ragone

Man.. Did Mike Williams mess around with Merrill Hoge's wife or something?

he cannot stand him

Why what did he say?

Eaglesfan27 · 04-23-2005, 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dangarion

Why what did he say?

He has been badmouthing him for a week. He basically says Williams is only going to be a slow possession receiver who won't be able to be successful unless he has an explosive receiver opposite him. He thinks Williams shouldn't have been taken til the end of the 1st round.

Schmidty · 04-23-2005, 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

He has been badmouthing him for a week. He basically says Williams is only going to be a slow possession receiver who won't be able to be successful unless he has an explosive receiver opposite him. He thinks Williams shouldn't have been taken til the end of the 1st round.

Well, he obviously knows more than 31 head scouts. I mean, the man is a genius.

streetballer22 · 04-23-2005, 04:34 PM

Mike Williams is an excellent player but, like everyone else has said, the Lions have more pressing needs.

VPI97 · 04-23-2005, 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

He has been badmouthing him for a week. He basically says Williams is only going to be a slow possession receiver who won't be able to be successful unless he has an explosive receiver opposite him. He thinks Williams shouldn't have been taken til the end of the 1st round.

I'd say that's close to being correct except for the 'end of the 1st round part'. Williams doesn't have the skill set of Moss or Owens, but I do think he brings a skill set similar to Michael Irvin...and that's not bad at all. He's got great hands, good size and he's shown a knack for getting to the ball. I think he'll be an above average receiver, but he's not going to be a game breaker like the top tier receivers in the league.

Schmidty · 04-23-2005, 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by streetballer22

Mike Williams is an excellent player but, like everyone else has said, the Lions have more pressing needs.

Actually, if you have followed the Lions off-season, they don't really have any "glaring" holes.

sovereignstar · 04-23-2005, 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schmidty

Actually, if you have followed the Lions off-season, they don't really have any "glaring" holes.

QB?
*ducks*

TazFTW · 04-23-2005, 04:49 PM

VPI97 · 04-23-2005, 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sovereignstar

QB?
*ducks*

Mike Vick had a better passer rating than Harrington. LOL

Schmidty · 04-23-2005, 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VPI97

Mike Vick had a better passer rating than Harrington. LOL

True. Harrigington is a pussy. Garcia will be the QB by the end of the 4-5 week.

lcjjdnh · 04-24-2005, 10:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

He has been badmouthing him for a week. He basically says Williams is only going to be a slow possession receiver who won't be able to be successful unless he has an explosive receiver opposite him. He thinks Williams shouldn't have been taken til the end of the 1st round.

I don't think he said end of the 1st round, I believe he said he should be picked in the 4th round. He also said he would be out of the league, playing in the CFL, within 2 years. In response Mel Kiper told Merril that he was an idiot and Williams will be going to the Hall of Fame.

Honolulu_Blue · 04-24-2005, 10:45 AM

It was an interesting pick for sure. It's a lot of money to invest in one position and it will be interesting to see if they can spread the ball around enough for everyone. The Lions had a horrible time converting on third down and scoring TD's in the red zone. M. Williams should help considerably in both areas.

I am not sure what it says about how the Lions feel about C. Rogers. Maybe they are more concerned with his Mr. Glass type body than they let on. R. Williams also has trouble staying healthy.

The pick surprised the hell out of me, but I am ok with it. Shaun Cody was a solid pick and will help improve the defense. Though I was hoping Brodney Pool would slip to them. They need a free safety with good range. Not sure if Holt is that guy.

streetballer22 · 04-24-2005, 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schmidty

Actually, if you have followed the Lions off-season, they don't really have any "glaring" holes.

Well QB is one position they could have looked at but I think the addition of Mike Williams is better than the addition of any of the QBs left on the board. I think they could have certainly addressed needs at DL and DB. Dre Bly isn't exactly young and they will need to find his successor.

Honolulu_Blue · 04-24-2005, 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by streetballer22

Well QB is one position they could have looked at but I think the addition of Mike Williams is better than the addition of any of the QBs left on the board. I think they could have certainly addressed needs at DL and DB. Dre Bly isn't exactly young and they will need to find his successor.

The Lions feel like they are "ok" on the DL with Hall, Redding, Rogers, and Wilkinson. Shaun Cody addresses their need there. He's pretty versitaille and can play DT or DE if necessary, like Redding.

Bly isn't that old. He's still under 30, so it's early yet to be contemplating his replacement. I think the Lions may have gone DB with that pick if any of Pac-man, Antrell Rolle, or Carlos Rogers were availble at the 10 spot. None of them were, so...

Pumpy Tudors · 04-24-2005, 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by George W Bush

whats a cheeser?

If you have to ask, you probably are one.

General Mike · 04-24-2005, 11:06 AM

Mike Willams is Keyshaun Johnson #2.

MacroGuru · 04-24-2005, 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by General Mike

Mike Willams is Keyshaun Johnson #2.

That statement is what hurt Mike this draft....The kid can game, and he, out of any of the WR's ran the smoothest, and most crips routes.

Braylon has more raw talent, Williams understands the mechanics of the position, and honestly, some of the top WR's of the game weren't fast, they just understood the mechanics of their position.

If the dumbass Harrington (I WAS PISSED, when the Lions drafted him) can get the ball to the WR's this year without setting them up for the punishment, the Lions will have one hell of a year offensively.

I still worry about their Defense, I don't think they have done right there. But who knows.

HomerJSimpson · 04-24-2005, 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by General Mike

Mike Willams is Keyshaun Johnson #2.

Keyshaun, in his prime, without the "me, me, give me the damn ball" crap. I'd take that.

Joe · 04-24-2005, 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors

If you have to ask, you probably are one.

timmynausea · 04-24-2005, 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lcjjdnh

I don't think he said end of the 1st round, I believe he said he should be picked in the 4th round. He also said he would be out of the league, playing in the CFL, within 2 years. In response Mel Kiper told Merril that he was an idiot and Williams will be going to the Hall of Fame.

He definitely said 4th round.

Honolulu_Blue · 04-24-2005, 01:15 PM

Well, the Lions address the "developmental QB" situation by trading with NE and taking Orlovsky that QB from U-Conn. I was hoping they'd take McPherson with that pick, but oh well...

Schmidty · 04-24-2005, 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

Well, the Lions address the "developmental QB" situation by trading with NE and taking Orlovsky that QB from U-Conn. I was hoping they'd take McPherson with that pick, but oh well...

I wasn't betting on us drafting McPherson, so I wasn't suprised. Har.

Eaglesfan27 · 04-24-2005, 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by timmynausea

He definitely said 4th round.

My bad. Hoge is even more of a tool than I thought in that case.

Wolfpack · 04-24-2005, 08:12 PM

I'm guessing this was a "butts in the seat" type of pick, something that would potentially excite the fan base with the possibilities. I speculate that this means that for one year, they'll all be together and then one of them will be dealt depending on performance. When does Rogers go into free agency?

JeffNights · 04-24-2005, 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wolfpack

I'm guessing this was a "butts in the seat" type of pick, something that would potentially excite the fan base with the possibilities. I speculate that this means that for one year, they'll all be together and then one of them will be dealt depending on performance. When does Rogers go into free agency?

Hmmm....i doubt it was a "butts in the seats" pick.

Considering they sodl out the Silverdome(80,000)constantly. And every game at Ford Field is a sellout and will be for quite some time.

We just love our Lions here.

Wolfpack · 04-24-2005, 08:30 PM

I suppose that's true. Okay, a "buzz" pick then. Either that or they really, really, REALLY want to make sure Harrington's got no excuse for f-ing things up this year.

JeffNights · 04-24-2005, 08:33 PM

Harrington blows and blows. you'll get no argument from me about that.

However, this Three WR set they have now is perfectly tailored to Garcia, if anyone is believeing Joey will be the starter they are just going along with the PR stichk.

Cringer · 04-24-2005, 09:04 PM

I am a little tired of the Harrington (and Boller) bashing.

First off the excuses do have some merit to them. Second, it takes some time for guys. Some a little more then others. How many guys remember how great Trent Green and Rich Gannon were their first 3 years, or 6 years (yes I know they were not first round picks, and those guys have higher expectations)? Now, don't get all nuts on me. I am not saying they are good or great, but I do think now that their teams have upgraded the players around them a little more they should get one more good chance.

I think the Drew Brees comparison could be a fair one here, since he was considered crap by fans (and others) and was on his way out. But the team got a little better as a whole, and he finally started putting into play what he had learned over the previous 3 seasons.

I would give both Harrington and Boller a fair shot going into this season. If halfway through they are still sucking like before, then go ahead and bash them. Just keep starting them because the Packers play both Detroit and this season Baltimore.

JeffNights · 04-24-2005, 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cringer

Just keep starting them because the Packers play both Detroit and this season Baltimore.

The Packers play the Lions every year..they are in the same division....

Sharpieman · 04-24-2005, 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schmidty

Actually, if you have followed the Lions off-season, they don't really have any "glaring" holes.

Coach

MacroGuru · 04-24-2005, 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sharpieman

Coach

Wait a minute, isn't our coach the last winning coach the Niners had? Oh, and he led them into the playoffs too right?

Cringer · 04-24-2005, 11:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JeffNights

The Packers play the Lions every year..they are in the same division....

they play the Lions AND this season Baltimore.

Vince · 04-25-2005, 12:34 AM

I miss Mooch as a San Francisco Coach. So far I like Nolan though.

04-23-2005, 01:36 PM	#4
Schmidty Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Early, TX	Your negativity makes me sad. I think it was a great pick, since he was the best guy left on the board BY FAR. I wouldn't be suprised if Millen is sitting back taking offers on Williams as we speak. Even if we keep him, it provides us with yet another game-breaker, which is the best thing to get when you can. __________________ Just beat the devil out of it!!! - Bob Ross

04-23-2005, 01:44 PM	#8
Eaglesfan27 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New Jersey	I'm also in the camp that Mike Williams was a great pick. I've just become a Lions fan if they keep him (although I'd still root for the Eagles or the Saints over the Lions.) __________________ Retired GM of the eNFL 2007 Super Bowl Champion Philadelphia Eagles (19-0 record.) GM of the WOOF 2006 Doggie Bowl Champion Atlantic City Gamblers. GM of the IHOF 2019 and 2022 IHOF Bowl Champion Asheville Axemen.

04-23-2005, 01:55 PM	#11
Schmidty Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Early, TX	It's funny. The last time the Lions took a WR at #10, it turned out pretty well: Herman Moore. Williams reminds me a whole lot of Moore. I hope Williams turns out to be like Herman. __________________ Just beat the devil out of it!!! - Bob Ross

04-23-2005, 04:49 PM	#25
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04-24-2005, 10:45 AM	#29
Honolulu_Blue Hockey Boy Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Royal Oak, MI	It was an interesting pick for sure. It's a lot of money to invest in one position and it will be interesting to see if they can spread the ball around enough for everyone. The Lions had a horrible time converting on third down and scoring TD's in the red zone. M. Williams should help considerably in both areas. I am not sure what it says about how the Lions feel about C. Rogers. Maybe they are more concerned with his Mr. Glass type body than they let on. R. Williams also has trouble staying healthy. The pick surprised the hell out of me, but I am ok with it. Shaun Cody was a solid pick and will help improve the defense. Though I was hoping Brodney Pool would slip to them. They need a free safety with good range. Not sure if Holt is that guy. __________________ *Steve Yzerman*: 1,755 points in 1,514 regular season games. 185 points in 196 postseason games. A First-Team All-Star, Conn Smythe Trophy winner, Selke Trophy winner, Masterton Trophy winner, member of the Hockey Hall of Fame, Olympic gold medallist, and a three-time Stanley Cup Champion. Longest serving captain of one team in the history of the NHL (19 seasons).

04-23-2005, 01:33 PM	#2
timmynausea College Starter Join Date: Dec 2002	11. He sucks.

04-23-2005, 01:35 PM	#3
TLK Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Allen Park, MI	I'm still at a loss for words. If Millen grabs Justin Tuck in the second round.... I'll forgive him.

04-23-2005, 01:38 PM	#5
timmynausea College Starter Join Date: Dec 2002	I also think it was a great pick.

04-23-2005, 01:42 PM	#7
timmynausea College Starter Join Date: Dec 2002	I'm not actually sure what to make of Joey. I'm starting to think there's a strong possibility he just isn't very good. I think he could be decent with all these good recievers, though. Maybe I'm wrong and he'll turn out to be pretty good.

04-23-2005, 01:47 PM	#9
moriarty College Starter Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: A negative place	I like Mike Williams ... just not sure he was the best pick for Detroit.

04-23-2005, 01:54 PM	#10
FF Mascot Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Michigan, USA	so im the only one that doesent think joey sucks? he was throwing to guys named swinton and kircus and a williams that wasnt 100%. is it his fault that his WRs cant catch the damn ball? __________________ i've somehow gotten a computer

04-23-2005, 02:42 PM	#14
Ragone Pro Rookie Join Date: May 2002 Location: Kansas City, Mo	Man.. Did Mike Williams mess around with Merrill Hoge's wife or something? he cannot stand him

04-23-2005, 03:13 PM	#15
korme Go Reds Join Date: May 2001 Location: Bloodbuzz Ohio	joey just always looks so jumpy in the pocket, he needs to settle down but that trio.. could be nasty.

04-23-2005, 03:18 PM	#16
Ragone Pro Rookie Join Date: May 2002 Location: Kansas City, Mo	Only thing that ensures is the cheesers that play online in madden 2006 will all be picking detroit..

04-23-2005, 04:34 PM	#21
streetballer22 Mascot Join Date: Feb 2005	Mike Williams is an excellent player but, like everyone else has said, the Lions have more pressing needs.

04-24-2005, 11:06 AM	#33
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04-24-2005, 01:15 PM	#38
Honolulu_Blue Hockey Boy Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Royal Oak, MI	Well, the Lions address the "developmental QB" situation by trading with NE and taking Orlovsky that QB from U-Conn. I was hoping they'd take McPherson with that pick, but oh well... __________________ *Steve Yzerman*: 1,755 points in 1,514 regular season games. 185 points in 196 postseason games. A First-Team All-Star, Conn Smythe Trophy winner, Selke Trophy winner, Masterton Trophy winner, member of the Hockey Hall of Fame, Olympic gold medallist, and a three-time Stanley Cup Champion. Longest serving captain of one team in the history of the NHL (19 seasons).

04-24-2005, 08:12 PM	#41
Wolfpack Pro Rookie Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Raleigh, NC	I'm guessing this was a "butts in the seat" type of pick, something that would potentially excite the fan base with the possibilities. I speculate that this means that for one year, they'll all be together and then one of them will be dealt depending on performance. When does Rogers go into free agency?

04-24-2005, 08:30 PM	#43
Wolfpack Pro Rookie Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Raleigh, NC	I suppose that's true. Okay, a "buzz" pick then. Either that or they really, really, REALLY want to make sure Harrington's got no excuse for f-ing things up this year.

04-24-2005, 08:33 PM	#44
JeffNights College Prospect Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Michigan	Harrington blows and blows. you'll get no argument from me about that. However, this Three WR set they have now is perfectly tailored to Garcia, if anyone is believeing Joey will be the starter they are just going along with the PR stichk.

04-24-2005, 09:04 PM	#45
Cringer Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Edinburg,TX	I am a little tired of the Harrington (and Boller) bashing. First off the excuses do have some merit to them. Second, it takes some time for guys. Some a little more then others. How many guys remember how great Trent Green and Rich Gannon were their first 3 years, or 6 years (yes I know they were not first round picks, and those guys have higher expectations)? Now, don't get all nuts on me. I am not saying they are good or great, but I do think now that their teams have upgraded the players around them a little more they should get one more good chance. I think the Drew Brees comparison could be a fair one here, since he was considered crap by fans (and others) and was on his way out. But the team got a little better as a whole, and he finally started putting into play what he had learned over the previous 3 seasons. I would give both Harrington and Boller a fair shot going into this season. If halfway through they are still sucking like before, then go ahead and bash them. Just keep starting them because the Packers play both Detroit and this season Baltimore. __________________ You Stole Fizzy Lifting drinks! You bumped into the ceiling which now has to be washed and steralized, so you get NOTHING! You lose! Last edited by Cringer : 04-24-2005 at 09:05 PM.

04-25-2005, 12:34 AM	#50
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