Tim Rattay to Buccs

Raiders Army · 10-18-2005, 05:00 PM

Dola,

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TAMPA, Fla. -- Tim Rattay was acquired Tuesday by Tampa Bay as the Buccaneers addressed their shortage at quarterback after Brian Griese injured his knee.

The Bucs sent an undisclosed draft choice to the San Francisco 49ers for the six-year veteran, who lost his job in San Francisco after four weeks to top overall draft pick Alex Smith. The transaction beat the NFL trading deadline of 4 p.m. Tuesday.

To make room for Rattay on the active roster, the Bucs released rookie fullback Rick Razzano.

Griese tore knee ligaments in Sunday's victory over Miami and will be out for a lengthy time. Chris Simms took over for Griese as the Buccaneers beat the Dolphins 27-13.

Rattay, a seventh-round pick in 2000, started nine games last season and beat out Smith in training camp this season. But he performed poorly after an opening victory over St. Louis and was benched by coach Mike Nolan.

Rattay has played in 32 games with 16 starts. He has completed 356 of 586 passes (60.8 percent) for 3,941 yards, 24 touchdowns and 18 interceptions. He has a career passer rating of 81.6.

At Louisiana Tech, Rattay started 33 games, finishing second in NCAA history with 12,746 yards passing. He was the third player in NCAA history with more than 100 career touchdown passes.

Tampa Bay's other quarterback, Luke McCown, was also a standout at Louisiana Tech.

gottimd · 10-18-2005, 05:07 PM

Damn I had Rick Razzano in my fantasy league!

Emiliano · 10-18-2005, 05:16 PM

Good move. Also, with all the injuries on defense, it opens up a roster spot. Oh well, they won't sign a phenom, but it's better to have 4 QBs...

Vince · 10-18-2005, 05:43 PM

I wonder what kind of draft pick they gave up? 3rd?

Mr. Sparkle · 10-18-2005, 05:55 PM

I'm pretty sure it was a 7th rounder.

MacroGuru · 10-18-2005, 05:57 PM

So wait....the niners have Smith and ?????? at QB

CHEMICAL SOLDIER · 10-18-2005, 06:04 PM

Dont they also have a kid named Steve Spurrier as back up?

korme · 10-18-2005, 06:30 PM

NOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Rick Razzano, hailing from Milford High School, got released. Damn.

korme · 10-18-2005, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by indoorsoccersim

So wait....the niners have Smith and ?????? at QB

KEN DORSEY

Vince · 10-18-2005, 06:38 PM

And Cody Pickett.

Passacaglia · 10-18-2005, 06:57 PM

I bet Rattay leads the Bucs to the Super Bowl, and Chris Simms takes over next year anyway.

cincyreds · 10-18-2005, 09:34 PM

better go pick him off the waiver wire......NOT!

Fonzie · 10-18-2005, 09:59 PM

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Rattay has played in 32 games with 16 starts. He has completed 356 of 586 passes (60.8 percent) for 3,941 yards, 24 touchdowns and 18 interceptions. He has a career passer rating of 81.6.

Those numbers surprised me a great deal. Not too shabby, really, considering the overall talent level of the team.

kingfc22 · 10-18-2005, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Fonzie

Those numbers surprised me a great deal. Not too shabby, really, considering the overall talent level of the team.

If you can find a breakdown of his stats you should look at his numbers from the 1st-3rd quarter and compare them to the 4th. Very scary.

Axxon · 10-18-2005, 11:51 PM

I hate the move myself but I think there's a tiny bit more to it. His numbers aren't that bad, he plays in the west coast offense and he happens to play for our next opponent.

The guy is only going to be a backup anyway. Sucks about Razzano but maybe we can still practice squad him.

Axxon · 10-18-2005, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by M GO BLUE!!!

If you could just post them it would be a great help to all of us. Or just give us a rough idea...

I agree.

I'm assuming he means good in the first 3 quarters and putrid in the 4th. In that case, he's just a low rent Brian Griese because that fits him to a T.

kingfc22 · 10-18-2005, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by M GO BLUE!!!

If you could just post them it would be a great help to all of us. Or just give us a rough idea...

Let me see if I can find them.

kingfc22 · 10-19-2005, 12:01 AM

I know 11 of his 18 picks came in the 4th. Trying to find QB rating.

kingfc22 · 10-19-2005, 12:06 AM

		Passing									Rushing					Sacked		Fumbles
Situation	G	QBRat	Comp	Att	Pct	Yds	Y/G	Y/A	TD	Int	Rush	Yds	Y/G	Avg	TD	Sack	YdsL	Fum	FumL
Total	28	81.6	356	586	60.8	3941	123.2	6.7	24	18	39	69	2.2	1.8	0	59	354	17	8
1st Quarter	17	105.9	62	91	68.1	728	0.0	8.0	5	1	5	30	0.0	6.0	0	13	64	3	3
2nd Quarter	17	82.3	88	148	59.5	1010	0.0	6.8	6	4	5	11	0.0	2.2	0	7	46	2	1
3rd Quarter	19	87.3	87	137	63.5	863	0.0	6.3	5	2	4	16	0.0	4.0	0	10	65	2	0
4th Quarter	26	66.6	117	206	56.8	1308	0.0	6.3	8	11	25	12	0.0	0.5	0	29	179	10	4

Axxon · 10-19-2005, 12:09 AM

Can you find the Griese numbers too? They may not be that bad but the guy gets worse as the game goes on.

kingfc22 · 10-19-2005, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Axxon

Can you find the Griese numbers too? They may not be that bad but the guy gets worse as the game goes on.

Here you go:

Passing									Rushing					Sacked		Fumbles
Situation	G	QBRat	Comp	Att	Pct	Yds	Y/G	Y/A	TD	Int	Rush	Yds	Y/G	Avg	TD	Sack	YdsL	Fum	FumL
Total	75	84.8	1463	2318	63.1	16344	217.9	7.1	103	78	214	560	7.5	2.6	5	166	1121	41	17
1st Quarter	72	88.7	320	488	65.6	3744	0.0	7.7	20	16	35	175	0.0	5.0	1	39	308	5	2
2nd Quarter	72	84.5	466	742	62.8	4955	0.0	6.7	35	24	63	210	0.0	3.3	1	43	252	12	6
3rd Quarter	70	95.6	336	504	66.7	3829	0.0	7.6	27	14	30	98	0.0	3.3	0	35	219	10	2
4th Quarter	67	73.6	339	574	59.1	3791	0.0	6.6	21	24	86	77	0.0	0.9	3	49	342	14	7

Axxon · 10-19-2005, 12:21 AM

Yep, just like I thought.

82/54 td/int in the first three quarters
21/24 in the fourth.

We got basically a similar guy.

Axxon · 10-19-2005, 12:21 AM

Dola

Thanks for that btw.

Axxon · 10-19-2005, 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by M GO BLUE!!!

I would think a good deal of QB's numbers go down in the fourth, especially if they play on bad teams. If you are down you have to risk more throws.

I would take Rattay or Griese (even with one knee) over Joey Harrington any day. Hell. I'll take Ray Lucas, Jeff Blake, Gus Frerotte, Eric Hipple, Giovanni Carmazzi, Ryan Leaf, Jeff George, Akili Smith, David Kilingler, Tim Couch, Kordell Stewart, Chad Henne...

You had me until you mentioned Eric Hipple. No quarterback was that bad...ever.

His own coach once remarked "Eric throws the most beautiful 50 yard bombs you've ever seen. Trouble is, the receivers are only 20 yards downfield."

His own coach.

I think he's possibly the worst QB ever but as far as football goes, oddly enough, I think of Mr Hipple quite fondly.

Darkiller · 10-19-2005, 03:48 AM

I think it's a good fit for Tim Rattay.
He goes to a team which is a playoff contender, with a lot more talent than the 49ers have at this time, and he could basically be the guy for the reminder of the season and maybe take the Bucs deep in the Playoffs.
If that happens, I bet he'd have a great chance of establishing himself here since he is only 28 years old and his only competition is Brian Griese and Cris Simms (not exactly Steve Young & Joe Montana).

Northwood_DK · 10-19-2005, 04:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Vince

I wonder what kind of draft pick they gave up? 3rd?

From CnnSi:
The Bucs sent what was believed to be a sixth-round draft choice to the 49ers for Rattay

Darkiller · 10-19-2005, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Northwood_DK

From CnnSi:
The Bucs sent what was believed to be a sixth-round draft choice to the 49ers for Rattay

That's cheap but Nolan hinted that the deal could get "sweeter" depending on how Rattay fares.

Pumpy Tudors · 10-19-2005, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by M GO BLUE!!!

By the way... What ever happened to Giovanni Carmazzi?

Let me see if I can find him.

Karlifornia · 10-19-2005, 01:23 PM

Don't forget about ARNAZ BATTLE. I think he should be the QB.

Fonzie · 10-19-2005, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by M GO BLUE!!!

I would think a good deal of QB's numbers go down in the fourth, especially if they play on bad teams. If you are down you have to risk more throws.

Yep - and what's more is the defense knows you're going to be throwing. Thus, I'm not surprised that his numbers for the 4th quarter are lower. In fact, I'd expect it given the sorry state of the 49ers.

gstelmack · 10-19-2005, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Fonzie

Yep - and what's more is the defense knows you're going to be throwing. Thus, I'm not surprised that his numbers for the 4th quarter are lower. In fact, I'd expect it given the sorry state of the 49ers.

Note that he also played more games in the fourth quarter, so he was coming in for an ineffective QB and probably STARTING down.

What are his quarter-by-quarter stats when he actually starts the game?

Vince · 10-19-2005, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Northwood_DK

From CnnSi:
The Bucs sent what was believed to be a sixth-round draft choice to the 49ers for Rattay

I guess that would be a little bit of an overestimate on my part. Hard to argue the value for the Bucs here -- a 6th round pick isn't all that much, and Rattay could be a servicable backup/temp starter.

kcchief19 · 10-19-2005, 05:00 PM

Between Rattay, Griese, Simms and -- ugh -- McCown, has there ever been a larger collection of hobo QBs on one team than this? Even when the Chargers had Ryan Leaf they had Jim Harbaugh around to balance things out.

Plus, everyone QB is either an NFL legacy or a Lousiana Techster. If Warren Moon has an illegitimate child go to Louisiana Tech, Tampa Bay may their QB of the future.

21C · 10-19-2005, 06:47 PM

If he's that bad in the 4th quarter then let him play just the first 3 quarters and put someone else in for the last Q.

10-18-2005, 05:07 PM	#3
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10-18-2005, 05:16 PM	#4
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10-18-2005, 06:30 PM	#9
korme Go Reds Join Date: May 2001 Location: Bloodbuzz Ohio	NOOOOOOOOOOOOO Rick Razzano, hailing from Milford High School, got released. Damn.

10-18-2005, 06:38 PM	#11
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10-18-2005, 06:57 PM	#12
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	I bet Rattay leads the Bucs to the Super Bowl, and Chris Simms takes over next year anyway.

10-18-2005, 09:34 PM	#13
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10-18-2005, 11:51 PM	#16
Axxon Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Phoenix, AZ	I hate the move myself but I think there's a tiny bit more to it. His numbers aren't that bad, he plays in the west coast offense and he happens to play for our next opponent. The guy is only going to be a backup anyway. Sucks about Razzano but maybe we can still practice squad him. __________________ There are no houris, alas, in our heaven.

10-19-2005, 12:01 AM	#19
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10-19-2005, 12:09 AM	#21
Axxon Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Phoenix, AZ	Can you find the Griese numbers too? They may not be that bad but the guy gets worse as the game goes on. __________________ There are no houris, alas, in our heaven.

10-19-2005, 12:21 AM	#23
Axxon Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Phoenix, AZ	Yep, just like I thought. 82/54 td/int in the first three quarters 21/24 in the fourth. We got basically a similar guy. __________________ There are no houris, alas, in our heaven.

10-19-2005, 12:21 AM	#24
Axxon Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Phoenix, AZ	Dola Thanks for that btw. __________________ There are no houris, alas, in our heaven.

10-19-2005, 03:48 AM	#26
Darkiller FOF2 Guy Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Paris, France	I think it's a good fit for Tim Rattay. He goes to a team which is a playoff contender, with a lot more talent than the 49ers have at this time, and he could basically be the guy for the reminder of the season and maybe take the Bucs deep in the Playoffs. If that happens, I bet he'd have a great chance of establishing himself here since he is only 28 years old and his only competition is Brian Griese and Cris Simms (not exactly Steve Young & Joe Montana). __________________ FOF2 lives on / Continue to support the best game ever ! - Owner of the San Francisco 49ers in FOF2 - Charter member of the IHOF and owner of the Paris Musketeers franchise (FOF2004) - Chairman of the IHOF Hall of Fame - Athletic Director of the Brigham Young Cougars in TCY FOF Legend: Hall of Fame QB Brock Sheriff #5, one of the most popular player in Front Office Football history. Last edited by Darkiller : 10-19-2005 at 03:49 AM.

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10-19-2005, 05:00 PM	#34
kcchief19 Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Kansas City, MO	Between Rattay, Griese, Simms and -- ugh -- McCown, has there ever been a larger collection of hobo QBs on one team than this? Even when the Chargers had Ryan Leaf they had Jim Harbaugh around to balance things out. Plus, everyone QB is either an NFL legacy or a Lousiana Techster. If Warren Moon has an illegitimate child go to Louisiana Tech, Tampa Bay may their QB of the future.

10-19-2005, 06:47 PM	#35
21C College Prospect Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Newcastle, Australia	If he's that bad in the 4th quarter then let him play just the first 3 quarters and put someone else in for the last Q.

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