Johnny Damon=Benedict Arnold

SirFozzie · 12-20-2005, 10:36 PM

Yeah, The Yankees paid him $13 mill a year for four years.. good luck to him, but he may want to wear a helmet in centerfield at Fenway next year.. I know some fans will be gunning for him

Farrah Whitworth-Rahn · 12-20-2005, 10:37 PM

So is he now Baseball Judas?

Joe · 12-20-2005, 10:40 PM

Why not Johnny Damon=Roger Clemens?

SirFozzie · 12-20-2005, 10:41 PM

Clemens was bad enough.. but there was another team in between.

Damon's the first player I can remember in quite a while to go right from one to the other..

JeeberD · 12-20-2005, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Farrah Whitworth-Rahn

So is he now Baseball Judas?

Nice...

SirFozzie · 12-20-2005, 10:44 PM

and it's true.. as well

molson · 12-20-2005, 10:44 PM

It's not like he's from Boston. He was signed by the Red Sox as a free agent mercenary, its silly to act all upset when he leaves as one.

SirFozzie · 12-20-2005, 10:49 PM

the only thing I can think of that was similar, was the signing of Bernie Williams that was nullified post strike.

and I'm not upset, molson.. he had $12 million more reasons to move to New York... just saying the folks who live with the Bos v NYY rivalry will look at this as treasonous.

st.cronin · 12-20-2005, 10:55 PM

I'm glad he's gone, I was never a fan of his.

Deattribution · 12-20-2005, 11:03 PM

Good deal for Boston - they already got his best years out of him and NY overpaid since he's not going to fix their pitching problem.

BishopMVP · 12-20-2005, 11:11 PM

Ehhh... he was good, but he really only stepped it up during his contract year, and he's getting old. Not worth $13 million a year.

DaddyTorgo · 12-20-2005, 11:11 PM

bah. he's not worth 13 mil/year now...and he certainly won't be worth it in 3 years

GreenMonster · 12-20-2005, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Deattribution

Good deal for Boston - they already got his best years out of him and NY overpaid since he's not going to fix their pitching problem.

Exactly what I was thinking.. Thanx for a great 4 years Johnny Damon..

Rizon · 12-20-2005, 11:48 PM

Jason Giambass = Benedict Arnold

I throw batteries at that bitch every time he comes up in the 5-1-0.

MrBigglesworth · 12-20-2005, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by SirFozzie

Clemens was bad enough.. but there was another team in between.

Damon's the first player I can remember in quite a while to go right from one to the other..

Wade Boggs?

SirFozzie · 12-20-2005, 11:58 PM

I thought there was another team in between, but you're right. 92 Bos, 93 NYY.. and he wasn't exactly well liked here the rest of the way

Draft Dodger · 12-21-2005, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by SirFozzie

Damon's the first player I can remember in quite a while to go right from one to the other..

I believe Damon's the 3rd in less than a year, actually.

M GO BLUE!!! · 12-21-2005, 12:02 AM

It will be fun to hear the Yankee fanatics bitch about him after he gets to spend a good deal of time on the injured list.

And he's gonna look really stupid with a shave and a haircut.

Dblbogey31 · 12-21-2005, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by molson

It's not like he's from Boston. He was signed by the Red Sox as a free agent mercenary, its silly to act all upset when he leaves as one.

It's silly to get upset at all when players move anyway...that's the way Baseball is now. I'm a long time Braves fan but I didn't hate David Justice, Greg Madux, Tommy Glavine, and now Julio Franco when they left for more money. Baseball is just a business now. There is no more team loyalty in the sport anymore. You will never see a player say "Hey...I played with the Sox once so I could never play for the Yankees. I played for the Dodgers once so I can't play for the Giants." They don't care. Fans shouldn't either anymore. You just root for the squad you have on the field in a particular season. The days of a player coming up with one team and staying there at a financial penalty to himself are over.

I bet the Sox fans wouldn't be so bent out of shape if Mariano Rivera was acquired to be their closer. You going to pelt him in the bullpen too?

Easy Mac · 12-21-2005, 12:07 AM

did damon steal all the trees?

TreeInNewEngland · 12-21-2005, 12:08 AM

At least I will be safe for a few more years. Please dont beat me Foz.

Crapshoot · 12-21-2005, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Deattribution

Good deal for Boston - they already got his best years out of him and NY overpaid since he's not going to fix their pitching problem.

yup. Makes some sense of the Yanks, but year 4 of that contract is going to be as bad as the last year of Bernie's. Moreover, Damon's defense is decent - but not great. As a direct move to weaken the Sox though - this is a good one. Wonder if they now want Dave Roberts (assuming the Wells - Roberts deal goes through) to fill the void ? Would be the popular move, and the discrepancy between the two isn't great.

GreenMonster · 12-21-2005, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Crapshoot

yup. Makes some sense of the Yanks, but year 4 of that contract is going to be as bad as the last year of Bernie's. Moreover, Damon's defense is decent - but not great. As a direct move to weaken the Sox though - this is a good one. Wonder if they now want Dave Roberts (assuming the Wells - Roberts deal goes through) to fill the void ? Would be the popular move, and the discrepancy between the two isn't great.

I would take back Dave Roberts in a heartbeat. He can't hit like Damon, but is a better fielder and still has the wheels that Damon doesn't really have anymore.

SoxWin · 12-21-2005, 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Draft Dodger

I believe Damon's the 3rd in less than a year, actually.

4th if you count Mendoza.

SoxWin · 12-21-2005, 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Crapshoot

yup. Makes some sense of the Yanks, but year 4 of that contract is going to be as bad as the last year of Bernie's. Moreover, Damon's defense is decent - but not great. As a direct move to weaken the Sox though - this is a good one. Wonder if they now want Dave Roberts (assuming the Wells - Roberts deal goes through) to fill the void ? Would be the popular move, and the discrepancy between the two isn't great.

I'd prefer Jeremy Reed for Arroyo and Wells for Gonzalez in possible, not sure that Wells would be enough though.

Crapshoot · 12-21-2005, 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by SoxWin

I'd prefer Jeremy Reed for Arroyo and Wells for Gonzalez in possible, not sure that Wells would be enough though.

yeah, but the Mariners would be dumb to do that deal - Reed is amazing defensively and has a good minor league hitting record.

I think Wells would be more than enough for Roberts- in fact, I'd be surprised if a deal doesnt go down within the next month or so.

Desmond · 12-21-2005, 02:18 AM

Wow, this totaly blows my view of Johnny Damon as a superior individual. Im shocked and saddened.

Deattribution · 12-21-2005, 02:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Desmond

Wow, this totaly blows my view of Johnny Damon as a superior individual. Im shocked and saddened.

Sarcasm?

Cause after reading what he did to his wife (ex?) I never really viewed him as a superior individual (not that I ever did).

Desmond · 12-21-2005, 02:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Deattribution

Sarcasm?

Maybe a teeeeeeeeeensy bit.

SackAttack · 12-21-2005, 03:04 AM

I bet this opens the door for Dave Roberts to return to Boston.

Solecismic · 12-21-2005, 03:50 AM

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Originally Posted by SackAttack

I bet this opens the door for Dave Roberts to return to Boston.

I think you're right.

Great. A 33-year-old with a career OPS of .704 coming off a career year who stole a base here once and has far less range than Damon but the same raggedyann arm.

I don't really give a damn that Damon went to the Yankees. They offered more money. They tend to do that. It's not as if baseball's rules allow them to field more than nine overrated former All-Stars.

The Red Sox are saving a lot of money this off-season. They had better keep Manny and they had better keep upgrading the pitching.

DaddyTorgo · 12-21-2005, 03:57 AM

i'm with Jim. Dave Roberts does nothing for me. Not even as a 4th outfielder. He was great for what he was, a bench guy. But I don't want to see him playing here everyday, and i don't even want to see him as the 4th outfielder. There's a million guys in Pawtucket with speed that can do that job (well not a million, but at least a couple in AAA/AA ).

Crapshoot · 12-21-2005, 12:02 PM

Yeah, but given they want to deal Wells to San Diego and given Otsuka was just dealt, you have to believe Roberts makes the most sense in any deal. I think his range is slightly better than Damon's, and he will be an adequate (if not great) replacement. To me, the Sox need to figure their SS position - either give Pedoria the shot and call it a full blown youth movement, or sign Gonzales and tough it out for a year.

jeff061 · 12-21-2005, 12:10 PM

I'm not sad when a member of the Millar club leaves, even if that person is Damon.

They are not going to have as good of a year as we've become accustomed to(unless Beckett breaks out and Schilling is back to his old self). But I'll take that over the romper room of a team they've been. I've had a hard time liking this team ever since Nixon and Varitek's clubhouse attitude gave way to Millar's.

kcchief19 · 12-21-2005, 02:04 PM

I think Johnny Damon revealed his true colors back in Royal blue, when he told the media that he was willing to sign for less money to stay in Kansas City while Scott Boras was telling the Royals to go jump in a lake.

He was a tool, is a tool and will always be a tool.

Swaggs · 12-21-2005, 02:24 PM

I can understand the disdain some Red Sox fans have over this and I don't really think Damon is anything special, but I think Boston fans should be a little concerned that their ownership over the last few seasons has apparently made some rules to adhere by, namely not giving in to players' demands for longer contracts when they are a little bit older. While that is probably a sound business rule, it is not going to make the Red Sox a good team on the field if other teams are willing to go long term.

sterlingice · 12-21-2005, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Farrah Whitworth-Rahn

So is he now Baseball Judas?

Brilliant!

SI

Passacaglia · 12-21-2005, 04:22 PM

Shouldn't it be Johnny Damon==Benedict Arnold?

sterlingice · 12-21-2005, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Shouldn't it be Johnny Damon==Benedict Arnold?

Well, are we talking about a comparison operator or assigning the value to him? I'd say the latter. Previously, he was not and now he is. We aren't checking of he's actually Benedict Arnold.

SI

Passacaglia · 12-21-2005, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by sterlingice

Well, are we talking about a comparison operator or assigning the value to him? I'd say the latter. Previously, he was not and now he is. We aren't checking of he's actually Benedict Arnold.

SI

But he was not Benedict Arnold based on signing the deal, only until SirFozzie declared him so?

sterlingice · 12-21-2005, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

But he was not Benedict Arnold based on signing the deal, only until SirFozzie declared him so?

Well, I'd assume SirFozzie wouldn't have declared him Benedict Arnold if not for the deal, so I'm going to have to stick with my assessment of assignment operator. If SirFozzie was speaking in Pascal, it would have been JohnnyDamon:=Benedict Arnold

SI

Honolulu_Blue · 12-21-2005, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by sterlingice

Well, I'd assume SirFozzie wouldn't have declared him Benedict Arnold if not for the deal, so I'm going to have to stick with my assessment of assignment operator. If SirFozzie was speaking in Pascal, it would have been JohnnyDamon:=Benedict Arnold

SI

Where in the hell are those Nintendo DS game selections you've been promising., Mr. I'm Sooooo Busy?

stevew · 12-21-2005, 05:55 PM

Actually, wouldnt benedict arnold have played for the Yankees, and then let the team from New England Win, and then go to New England?

This thread title would be far more appropriate if if were, say Mariano Rivera=Benedict Arnold.

Not that it would actually happen, but then the assessment would be more correct.

Joe Canadian · 12-21-2005, 06:11 PM

Johnny Damon = Every other baseball player...

DaddyTorgo · 12-21-2005, 09:11 PM

so i just heard Mike Adams say on EEI that Lucchino said earlier today that Damon leaving "won't affect our attempts to accomadate Manny's desire to leave." And I nearly swerved off the road. Not that I particularly like Damon or anything, heck I'm glad they didn't overpay to keep him, but this particularly means they CANNOT let Manny go for anything less than 100% value, because of the public-relations nightmare that might be, the way that would make this ownership group look like cheapskates without a defined plan.

hell at that point, even I might stop watching.

Maple Leafs · 12-21-2005, 09:48 PM

I love it when Red Sox fans act like scrappy small market underdogs.

12-20-2005, 10:41 PM	#4
SirFozzie Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: The State of Insanity	Clemens was bad enough.. but there was another team in between. Damon's the first player I can remember in quite a while to go right from one to the other.. __________________ Check out Foz's New Video Game Site, An 8-bit Mind in an 8GB world! http://an8bitmind.com

12-20-2005, 10:44 PM	#6
SirFozzie Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: The State of Insanity	and it's true.. as well __________________ Check out Foz's New Video Game Site, An 8-bit Mind in an 8GB world! http://an8bitmind.com

12-20-2005, 10:49 PM	#8
SirFozzie Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: The State of Insanity	the only thing I can think of that was similar, was the signing of Bernie Williams that was nullified post strike. and I'm not upset, molson.. he had $12 million more reasons to move to New York... just saying the folks who live with the Bos v NYY rivalry will look at this as treasonous. __________________ Check out Foz's New Video Game Site, An 8-bit Mind in an 8GB world! http://an8bitmind.com

12-20-2005, 10:55 PM	#9
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	I'm glad he's gone, I was never a fan of his. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

12-20-2005, 11:58 PM	#16
SirFozzie Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: The State of Insanity	I thought there was another team in between, but you're right. 92 Bos, 93 NYY.. and he wasn't exactly well liked here the rest of the way __________________ Check out Foz's New Video Game Site, An 8-bit Mind in an 8GB world! http://an8bitmind.com

12-20-2005, 10:37 PM	#2
Farrah Whitworth-Rahn Red-Headed Vixen Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Phoenix, AZ	So is he now Baseball Judas?

12-20-2005, 10:40 PM	#3
Joe Pro Starter Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Minneapolis	Why not Johnny Damon=Roger Clemens?

12-20-2005, 10:44 PM	#7
molson General Manager Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Mountains	It's not like he's from Boston. He was signed by the Red Sox as a free agent mercenary, its silly to act all upset when he leaves as one.

12-20-2005, 11:03 PM	#10
Deattribution College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2003	Good deal for Boston - they already got his best years out of him and NY overpaid since he's not going to fix their pitching problem.

12-20-2005, 11:11 PM	#11
BishopMVP Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Concord, MA/UMass	Ehhh... he was good, but he really only stepped it up during his contract year, and he's getting old. Not worth $13 million a year.

12-20-2005, 11:11 PM	#12
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	bah. he's not worth 13 mil/year now...and he certainly won't be worth it in 3 years

12-21-2005, 12:02 AM	#18
M GO BLUE!!! Pro Starter Join Date: Sep 2005	It will be fun to hear the Yankee fanatics bitch about him after he gets to spend a good deal of time on the injured list. And he's gonna look really stupid with a shave and a haircut.

12-21-2005, 12:07 AM	#20
Easy Mac Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Here	did damon steal all the trees?

12-21-2005, 12:08 AM	#21
TreeInNewEngland n00b Join Date: Feb 2005	At least I will be safe for a few more years. Please dont beat me Foz.

12-21-2005, 02:18 AM	#27
Desmond Banned Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: The Hatch	Wow, this totaly blows my view of Johnny Damon as a superior individual. Im shocked and saddened.

12-21-2005, 03:04 AM	#30
SackAttack Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Green Bay, WI	I bet this opens the door for Dave Roberts to return to Boston.

12-21-2005, 03:57 AM	#32
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	i'm with Jim. Dave Roberts does nothing for me. Not even as a 4th outfielder. He was great for what he was, a bench guy. But I don't want to see him playing here everyday, and i don't even want to see him as the 4th outfielder. There's a million guys in Pawtucket with speed that can do that job (well not a million, but at least a couple in AAA/AA ).

12-21-2005, 12:02 PM	#33
Crapshoot Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Dec 2003	Yeah, but given they want to deal Wells to San Diego and given Otsuka was just dealt, you have to believe Roberts makes the most sense in any deal. I think his range is slightly better than Damon's, and he will be an adequate (if not great) replacement. To me, the Sox need to figure their SS position - either give Pedoria the shot and call it a full blown youth movement, or sign Gonzales and tough it out for a year. Last edited by Crapshoot : 12-21-2005 at 12:11 PM.

12-21-2005, 12:10 PM	#34
jeff061 Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: MA	I'm not sad when a member of the Millar club leaves, even if that person is Damon. They are not going to have as good of a year as we've become accustomed to(unless Beckett breaks out and Schilling is back to his old self). But I'll take that over the romper room of a team they've been. I've had a hard time liking this team ever since Nixon and Varitek's clubhouse attitude gave way to Millar's. __________________ Last edited by jeff061 : 12-21-2005 at 12:12 PM.

12-21-2005, 02:04 PM	#35
kcchief19 Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Kansas City, MO	I think Johnny Damon revealed his true colors back in Royal blue, when he told the media that he was willing to sign for less money to stay in Kansas City while Scott Boras was telling the Royals to go jump in a lake. He was a tool, is a tool and will always be a tool.

12-21-2005, 02:24 PM	#36
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	I can understand the disdain some Red Sox fans have over this and I don't really think Damon is anything special, but I think Boston fans should be a little concerned that their ownership over the last few seasons has apparently made some rules to adhere by, namely not giving in to players' demands for longer contracts when they are a little bit older. While that is probably a sound business rule, it is not going to make the Red Sox a good team on the field if other teams are willing to go long term. __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

12-21-2005, 04:22 PM	#38
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	Shouldn't it be Johnny Damon==Benedict Arnold? __________________ Pride and Prejudice -- an FOF9 Lions dynasty, starting 1966

12-21-2005, 05:55 PM	#43
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Actually, wouldnt benedict arnold have played for the Yankees, and then let the team from New England Win, and then go to New England? This thread title would be far more appropriate if if were, say Mariano Rivera=Benedict Arnold. Not that it would actually happen, but then the assessment would be more correct.

12-21-2005, 06:11 PM	#44
Joe Canadian College Prospect Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: St. John's, Newfoundland, Canada	Johnny Damon = Every other baseball player... __________________ Steve Davis (Joe Canadian) GO LEAFS GO!! GO FOG DEVILS GO!! LETS GO JAYS!! EHM 2005 DYNASTY: A New Philosophy in Toronto!

12-21-2005, 09:11 PM	#45
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	so i just heard Mike Adams say on EEI that Lucchino said earlier today that Damon leaving "won't affect our attempts to accomadate Manny's desire to leave." And I nearly swerved off the road. Not that I particularly like Damon or anything, heck I'm glad they didn't overpay to keep him, but this particularly means they CANNOT let Manny go for anything less than 100% value, because of the public-relations nightmare that might be, the way that would make this ownership group look like cheapskates without a defined plan. hell at that point, even I might stop watching.

12-21-2005, 09:48 PM	#46
Maple Leafs Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002	I love it when Red Sox fans act like scrappy small market underdogs. __________________ Down Goes Brown: Toronto Maple Leafs Humor and Analysis

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