POL: Stop the NAFTA Highway!!!

[Bubba Wheels]

Buchanan's column is just the latest to write/talk about it. For those who have never heard about it this column is a good start. Google for lots more info. This thing starts construction next year???

WE HAVE GOT TO STOP THIS!!! MAKE IT DEADER THAN THE DUBAI PORTS DEAL!!!

Regardless of what you think about me, nobody in their right mind, American anyways, could possible want this thing to happen! http://buchanan.org/blog/?p=67

[Izulde]

Oh, I can think of quite a few Americans who'd be more than happy to see this happen.

I can understand the reasoning behind a North American Economic Union, a la the EU, but a full political union is much ado about nothing and isn't even an absolutel certainty in Europe.

[Drake]

The EU model for travel and commodity transport seemed to me to work pretty darned well when I was in Europe.

I have to admit that Buchanan lost me when he started arguing that a big highway would threaten our national sovereignty, though. If that's all it takes, we're not very sovereign anyway.

[Arctus]

Originally Posted by Bubba Wheels

WE HAVE GOT TO STOP THIS!!! MAKE IT DEADER THAN THE DUBAI PORTS DEAL!!!
http://buchanan.org/blog/?p=67

Efficient transport of people and goods? ACK!!! THE HORROR!!!

[Bubba Wheels]

Originally Posted by Arctus

Efficient transport of people and goods? ACK!!! THE HORROR!!!

Not to mention the ecological horrors of such a road. Curious on how all the eco groups are very quiet on this, though. We can't slant-drill for oil in Alaska with no enviromental threat but this monster highway won't damage the landscape, wetlands and other natural wild-life habitats?

[dawgfan]

Originally Posted by Bubba Wheels

Not to mention the ecological horrors of such a road. Curious on how all the eco groups are very quiet on this, though. We can't slant-drill for oil in Alaska with no enviromental threat but this monster highway won't damage the landscape, wetlands and other natural wild-life habitats?

Do you have a specific example or examples from this plan where such damage would occur, or are you just making shit up again?

[dawgfan]

Dola -

I have concerns about greater integration between the U.S., Canada and Mexico, but there are also potential positives as well. I'd be interested in seeing more detailed and thoughtful examinations of such a possibility.

[Klinglerware]

Originally Posted by Bubba Wheels

Not to mention the ecological horrors of such a road. Curious on how all the eco groups are very quiet on this, though. We can't slant-drill for oil in Alaska with no enviromental threat but this monster highway won't damage the landscape, wetlands and other natural wild-life habitats?

Umm...

They are not building a "huge NAFTA Super Highway, four football-fields-wide" or whatever the article is stating. It appears that they are attempting to coordinate existing infrastructure (i.e., the roads already exist, it's just a matter of tying them together).

No secret conspiracy here.

http://www.nascocorridor.com/
http://www.nascocorridor.com/NASCO_FAQs_072706.pdf

[digamma]

In my country there is problem,
And that problem is transport.
It take very very long,
Because United States is big.

Throw transport down the well
So my country can be free
We must make travel easy
Then well have a big party

[Arctus]

Originally Posted by Bubba Wheels

Not to mention the ecological horrors of such a road. Curious on how all the eco groups are very quiet on this, though. We can't slant-drill for oil in Alaska with no enviromental threat but this monster highway won't damage the landscape, wetlands and other natural wild-life habitats?

Ecological horrors???

I wasn't expecting you to be grasping for flimsy arguements this early.

And no, the landscape, wetlands and other natural wild-life habitats won't be significantly impacted.

As a matter of fact, construction of large capacity highways pretty much always result in a significant increase of wetlands, due to the requirements of Section 404 of the Clean Water Act (as well as the Army Corps of Engineers permitting process).

[Buccaneer]

Originally Posted by Klinglerware

Umm...

They are not building a "huge NAFTA Super Highway, four football-fields-wide" or whatever the article is stating. It appears that they are attempting to coordinate existing infrastructure (i.e., the roads already exist, it's just a matter of tying them together).

No secret conspiracy here.

http://www.nascocorridor.com/
http://www.nascocorridor.com/NASCO_FAQs_072706.pdf

One cannot correlate facts with the blogosphere. Apples and oranges.

[Vinatieri for Prez]

Too funny. It's nothing more than a reworking of already existing corridors. BW, as usual, forgets to mention that The "NASCO Corridor encompasses Interstate Highways 35, 29 and 94," which of course are already built and that its goal is to "develop key relationships along the EXISTING corridors we represent to maximize economic development opportunities along the NASCO Corridor, as well as coordinate the development of technology integration projects, inland ports, environmental initiatives, university research, and the sharing of "best practices".

In fact as NASCO states: "As of late, there has been much media attention given to the "new, proposed NAFTA Superhighway". NASCO and the cities, counties, states and provinces along our existing Interstate Highways 35/29/94 (the NASCO Corridor) have been referring to I-35 as the 'NAFTA Superhighway' for many years, as I-35 already carries a substantial amount of international trade with Mexico, the United States and Canada. There are no plans to build a new NAFTA Superhighway - it exists today as I-35."

This is what happens when your sole source of news comes from a limited right wing source. And is exactly why nobody gives a sh%t about BW's opinions.

[dawgfan]

Facts are not BW's strong suit.

[Toddzilla]

Originally Posted by Batshit Crazy Pay Buchanan

The beneficiaries of this NAFTA superhighway project would be the contractors who build it and the importers and outlet stores for the Chinese-manufactured goods that would come flooding in. The losers would be U.S. longshoremen, truckers, manufacturers and taxpayers.

The latter would pay the cost of building the highway in Mexico and the United States, both in dollars and in the lost sovereignty of our once-independent American republic.

BWAHAHAHAHAHA.

Oh Crash, you do make speeches....

[chinaski]

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=15497

[Izulde]

Originally Posted by chinaski

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=15497

Hmm. Ann Coulter and an injunction to "Stop Dating Liberals!" With some fairly fugly broad screaming that she can't date another liberal guy.

Yeah, that site's not biased in the least.

[Toddzilla]

Originally Posted by chinaski

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=15497

About the batshit-crazy author:

Originally Posted by said article

Mr. Corsi is the author of several books, including "Unfit for Command: Swift Boat Veterans Speak Out Against John Kerry" (along with John O'Neill), "Black Gold Stranglehold: The Myth of Scarcity and the Politics of Oil" (along with Craig R. Smith), and "Atomic Iran: How the Terrorist Regime Bought the Bomb and American Politicians," and most recently, "Minutemen: The Battle to Secure America's Borders." He is a frequent guest on the G. Gordon Liddy radio show. He will soon co-author a new book with Jim Gilchrist on the Minuteman Project.

Credibility abounds!

[Grammaticus]

Here is another link to an article that has many FACTS for you.

http://www.eagleforum.org/column/200.../06-08-23.html

Get Ready to spend your new north american currency, the Amero.

[Grammaticus]

dola, Izulde you won't like the source on this one either, but facts are facts regardless of where they come from.

[Izulde]

Originally Posted by Grammaticus

dola, Izulde you won't like the source on this one either, but facts are facts regardless of where they come from.

[Toddzilla]

Originally Posted by Grammaticus

Here is another link to an article that has many FACTS for you.

http://www.eagleforum.org/column/200.../06-08-23.html

Get Ready to spend your new north american currency, the Amero.

This article was written by Phillis Schlafy, who per wikipedia:

Originally Posted by about batshit crazy Phillys Schlafy

In 2006, Schlafly provided an interview which appeared in the March 30 New York Times in which she attributed improvement in women's lives during the last decades of the twentieth century not to feminism, but to labor-saving devices such as the indoor clothes dryer and paper diapers

[Toddzilla]

Originally Posted by Grammaticus

dola, Izulde you won't like the source on this one either, but facts are facts regardless of who makes them up.

I fixed that for you, and you're still wrong.

[Vinatieri for Prez]

Originally Posted by chinaski

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=15497

Even funnier is the author of the piece wrote the Swift Boat Vets book against Kerry -- the same one that said Kerry basically shot himself to get medals. Definitely fair and balanced.


Edit: Ah you beat me to it. But remember, "if it's in print, it must be true!"

[st.cronin]

Ok, laying aside the partisan stuff. We are not likely to see a new currency replacing the dollar in our lifetime. But neither are we likely to see a tighter border between the US and Mexico. Other than that, I don't know what all the fuss is about. Free trade is good economic policy for both US and Mexico.

[Grammaticus]

Originally Posted by Toddzilla

I fixed that for you, and you're still wrong.

I’ve yet to see you dispute a single point in the article as incorrect or that you disagree with the premise. Are you saying the NAFTA super highway is bogus and not a project in process or do you believe the NAFTA superhighway is a good thing and are unsure how to support your points, so you are poking fun at the people who wrote the articles?

[Grammaticus]

Originally Posted by Toddzilla

This article was written by Phillis Schlafy, who per wikipedia:

Originally Posted by Schlafly Bio

Phyllis Schlafly has been a national leader of the conservative movement since the publication of her best-selling 1964 book, A Choice Not An Echo. She has been a leader of the pro-family movement since 1972, when she started her national volunteer organization now called Eagle Forum. In a ten-year battle, Mrs. Schlafly led the pro-family movement to victory over the principal legislative goal of the radical feminists, called the Equal Rights Amendment. An articulate and successful opponent of the radical feminist movement, she appears in debate on college campuses more frequently than any other conservative. She was named one of the 100 most important women of the 20th century by the Ladies' Home Journal.

Mrs. Schlafly is a lawyer and served as a member of the Commission on the Bicentennial of the U.S. Constitution, 1985-1991, appointed by President Reagan. She has testified before more than 50 Congressional and State Legislative committees on constitutional, national defense, and family issues.
Mrs. Schlafly is a Phi Beta Kappa graduate of Washington University, received her J.D. from Washington University Law School, and received her Master's in Political Science from Harvard University.

Phyllis Schlafly is America's best-known advocate of the dignity and honor that we as a society owe to the role of fulltime homemaker. The mother of six children, she was the 1992 Illinois Mother of the Year.

Also from Wikipedia:

Phyllis Schlafly
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Phyllis Schlafly (born on August 15, 1924, in St. Louis, Missouri) is an American conservative political activist known for her best-selling 1964 book A Choice, Not An Echo and her opposition to feminism (see antifeminism) in general and the Equal Rights Amendment (ERA) in particular.

She is a widely-published author and commentator, and maintains an active presence on the lecture circuit. In 1972, she founded the Eagle Forum, a conservative organization originally headquartered in Alton, Illinois and now maintaining offices in St. Louis, Missouri and Washington, D.C. as well. She founded, and is president of, a sister organization known as the Eagle Forum Education & Legal Defense Fund, which resides in the Eagle Forum's St. Louis office. In 2006, she continues to be president of both organizations.

She was married to attorney John Fred Schlafly, Jr., (1909–1993) for forty-four years. They had six children: John, Bruce, Roger, Liza, Andrew, and Anne.

I did not see your wacko quote on Wiki.

Pretty good credentials. Likely just does not share your views so you consider her a wacko.

[Grammaticus]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Ok, laying aside the partisan stuff. We are not likely to see a new currency replacing the dollar in our lifetime. But neither are we likely to see a tighter border between the US and Mexico. Other than that, I don't know what all the fuss is about. Free trade is good economic policy for both US and Mexico.

One key element is the receiving center that is being built in KC. It will be owned and run by a foreign corporation and will serve as a port of entry for goods into the US.

Much like the Dubai ownership of US ports, this presents real concerns over the US government’s ability to secure its borders and protect its people. Trucks will drive from Mexico direct to the center in KC without stopping at the border. It will be possible for people and cargo to stop along the way and exit the highway gaining access into the US without going through customs or immigration

Other concerns are around the use of eminent domain to take land from US citizens for the project.

Most concerns come from the lack of exposure something this big has received. The Dubai incident proves it is a major concern with US citizens and should be debated and in the open so the people of the US know what is planned and can weigh in.

[Vinatieri for Prez]

Originally Posted by Grammaticus

I’ve yet to see you dispute a single point in the article as incorrect or that you disagree with the premise. Are you saying the NAFTA super highway is bogus and not a project in process or do you believe the NAFTA superhighway is a good thing and are unsure how to support your points, so you are poking fun at the people who wrote the articles?

I don't know what Todzilla's saying, but that's what I'm saying. Please, quit drinking the frickin' kool-aid.

[Vinatieri for Prez]

Originally Posted by Grammaticus

Trucks will drive from Mexico direct to the center in KC without stopping at the border. It will be possible for people and cargo to stop along the way and exit the highway gaining access into the US without going through customs or immigration

Sit back for a second and actually think. Now, do you actually think the plan is to allow people to cross the border and allow people to just walk off into the hinterland?

"Alarmist." Look it up in the dictionary. By the way, you haven't heard about much, including in the media -- because it's not actually happening!

[Samdari]

Originally Posted by Grammaticus

you won't like the source on this one either, but facts are facts regardless of where they come from.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

The facts very much depend on the source, especially on the internet.

[Toddzilla]

So let me get this striaght....

The Republicans in congress haven't done anything to increase border security...
The Republicans in congress haven't done anything to increase security in our ports...
The Republicans in congress haven't done anything to increase security in our airports...

Yet the Republicans are all up in arms over some pie-in-the-sky *highway*?

[Drake]

Slightly OT, but I love the word "Amero". We need to make that happen.

[Toddzilla]

Originally Posted by Grammaticus

I did not see your wacko quote on Wiki.

It is the last item for her under the section entitled "Life".

And I apologize for appearing as if I consider someone wacko for simply not sharing my views. I'd like to think that I have higher standards than that. For example, I consider someone wacko who believes that diapers and not feminism contributed to the improvement of women's lives, or that John Kerry shot himself to get a Purple Heart, or that the Unites States of America is at risk of losing its soverignty. THAT kind of person is batshit-crazy.

[Drake]

I can see where disposable diapers had a bigger impact on many women's lives than feminism.

[chinaski]

Originally Posted by Toddzilla

About the batshit-crazy author:

Credibility abounds!

Dont worry, I knew exactly who I was quoting. Im posting in a BubbaWheels thread afterall.

[cthomer5000]

Originally Posted by digamma

In my country there is problem,
And that problem is transport.
It take very very long,
Because United States is big.

Throw transport down the well
So my country can be free
We must make travel easy
Then well have a big party

best Borat bit ever.

[sachmo71]

I think a POL in the thread title might be wise...

[Bubba Wheels]

Unbelievable. What is really amazing is that, other than for Grammaticus, all these others have no clue as to how far outside the real American mainstream they really are. Waaaaayyyyy outside!!! I'd even venture a guess many are not even American.

The last is not a 'criticsm', just an obvious inference. Afterall, this NAFTA stuff is all pork and gravy for those south of the border or shipping into the U.S. from 3rd world countries.

[sabotai]

Originally Posted by Bubba Wheels

Unbelievable. What is really amazing is that, other than for Grammaticus, all these others have no clue as to how far outside the real American mainstream they really are.

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

[Bubba Wheels]

Originally Posted by sabotai

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

It means in poll after poll the VAST majority of Americans do NOT want open borders, lower standards of living and the numbers of illegal aliens we now have. What do you think it means?

[Izulde]

Originally Posted by Bubba Wheels

It means in poll after poll the VAST majority of Americans do NOT want open borders, lower standards of living and the numbers of illegal aliens we now have. What do you think it means?

I think it means you don't know the first rule of polling.

#1. Thou shalt shape the poll to thy preferences.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Bubba Wheels

It means in poll after poll the VAST majority of Americans do NOT want open borders, lower standards of living and the numbers of illegal aliens we now have. What do you think it means?

That's a good point. I don't know anybody in favor of lower standards of living.

[Bubba Wheels]

Also, I cannot believe the number of those who want to call me 'stupid' or such and then state idiocies like '... I don't think the plan is to have them wander off into the hinterland..." What's stopping them? Your secret plan?

Or (paraphrase) '... the highway ALREADY exists!" No it does not! This is an ACTUAL to be constructed highway, as the article says, with the median being used for rail and pipeline purposes. IT GOES TO KANSAS CITY! It goes from Texas to Canada! How much more simple can that be???

Interestingly, but not surpisingly, the ones making those inane observations are the very ones usually attempting to pass themselves off as the more 'intelligent' board members. Not.

[Bubba Wheels]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

That's a good point. I don't know anybody in favor of lower standards of living.

Businesses that hire illegal aliens to keep from paying decent wages for legal labor. Not for themselves, of course, just for the rest of us.

[Bubba Wheels]

Originally Posted by Izulde

I think it means you don't know the first rule of polling.

#1. Thou shalt shape the poll to thy preferences.

By your standards, there can never be a consensus on anything. Not likely.

[dawgfan]

Originally Posted by Bubba Wheels

Or (paraphrase) '... the highway ALREADY exists!" No it does not! This is an ACTUAL to be constructed highway, as the article says, with the median being used for rail and pipeline purposes. IT GOES TO KANSAS CITY! It goes from Texas to Canada! How much more simple can that be???

For one thing, a credible source showing such a new highway is actually in the works would be a start.

Interestingly, but not surpisingly, the ones making those inane observations are the very ones usually attempting to pass themselves off as the more 'intelligent' board members. Not.

Some proof of your claims would be a good place to start to establish your own "intelligence".

[Buccaneer]

I still say Bubba would be the last person that would spread the gospel to those south of the border or to illegals here. Just imagine the look on Bubba's face if he gets to heaven and can't find the borders of the USA!

[Arctus]

Originally Posted by Bubba Wheels

This is an ACTUAL to be constructed highway, as the article says, with the median being used for rail and pipeline purposes. IT GOES TO KANSAS CITY! It goes from Texas to Canada! How much more simple can that be???

You do realize that there are currently many roads that cross the USA's borders with Mexico and Canada........don't you?

[dawgfan]

Dola -

You might want to peruse the links that Klinglerware posted earlier in the thread, the info direct from the horse's mouth as it were. Might help clarify some of your misconceptions...

http://www.nascocorridor.com/
http://www.nascocorridor.com/NASCO_FAQs_072706.pdf

[Drake]

The fact that we are not, apparently, Americans by Bubba's definition makes me feel warm and fuzzy about the state of our country.