FOF2007 Suggestions Thread

wade moore · 10-27-2006, 07:26 AM

Figured I'd keep this seperate from everything else.

I'm looking here for suggestions of minor changes to existing features, not major features to be added to the game that you wish would have been implemented in this version.

wade moore · 10-27-2006, 07:31 AM

Solevision:

I love Solevision, but I already foresee something I'd like to be able to do:

On the stats screen on the bottom right, I'd love to be able to:

A) "Jump" to a stat category at any time to see the stats for that category
B) In addition to "Hide Out of Town", a different button that allows to "Hide Out of Town Stats". The goal being to only show the stats summaries for the current game, but still show the scores from other games and still be able to see stats from the current game.
C) If you do A, then an option for a summary of current game stats for individuals. So maybe it would have an offense and a defense and show the top 2 or 3 in each of the categories, something like that.

MrKordell · 10-27-2006, 07:43 AM

SOLEVISION --
I'd like to have the games on the right flash red when that game is in the red zone.

Suburban Rhythm · 10-27-2006, 07:44 AM

I didn't see this covered in the other thread...but could have missed it.

Anything on being able to use the old roster editor for new files?
Along with that, I wonder how long until we see an NFL roster for 2007.

wade moore · 10-27-2006, 07:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Suburban Rhythm

I didn't see this covered in the other thread...but could have missed it.

Anything on being able to use the old roster editor for new files?
Along with that, I wonder how long until we see an NFL roster for 2007.

Apparently you haven't d/l'ed the game

.

To your first question, based on the notes about what it would take for converting an MP File and that Solecismic will be doing it for us, that makes me believe it's not going to be realistic for the old roster editor to work on new files.

As for your second point, FOF2007 has real player names. There nearly needs to be a city file, etc for the team names which are not NFL teams.

dubb93 · 10-27-2006, 07:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Suburban Rhythm

I didn't see this covered in the other thread...but could have missed it.

Anything on being able to use the old roster editor for new files?
Along with that, I wonder how long until we see an NFL roster for 2007.

If u played the demo u would know it atleast came with real players

. Not sure how hard it would be to rip that and use it with the real game in the event it doesn't ship with them.

IE probably not that hard.

wade moore · 10-27-2006, 07:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrKordell

SOLEVISION --
I'd like to have the games on the right flash red when that game is in the red zone.

Ah, yes, like Sportsline's GameCenter.

I think this would be VERY nice.

dubb93 · 10-27-2006, 07:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Suburban Rhythm

I wonder how long until we see an NFL roster for 2007.

But to answer your question as you asked it. Assuming the game ships with fake players it would probably take me 5 seconds to copy and paste the players file from the demo to the actual game. So I'd say 5 seconds after you get the game if it ships with fake players is when you would a real player file.

albionmoonlight · 10-27-2006, 07:54 AM

I'd still like a way to let the game sim a history for some number of years and then be able to take over a team in a mature universe.

Certainly not a deal breaker, but probably the #1 feature for which I was hoping that is not in the game.

(Although almost everything else on my "A" Wish List made it in the game, so I almost feel bad mentioning the one thing that did not)

Ben E Lou · 10-27-2006, 08:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

Certainly not a deal breaker, but probably the #1 feature for which I was hoping that is not in the game.

(Although almost everything else on my "A" Wish List made it in the game, so I almost feel bad mentioning the one thing that did not)

My feelings exactly.

mrsimperless · 10-27-2006, 08:04 AM

I'm still holding out hope that the full version will have have historical stats for the current players since it seems to have real players.

wade moore · 10-27-2006, 08:06 AM

Another couple of Solevision Suggestions:

A) Maybe a place to give/get injury updates for players injured during the game? I'm not sure when this function is even run (to determine the exact injury) to know if it is even possible.
B) On the stats again - similar to the filter - it could highlight players in the stats list that are on one of the two teams currently playing - similar to how various recommendation, etc. screens do.

Ben E Lou · 10-27-2006, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by mrsimperless

I'm still holding out hope that the full version will have have historical stats for the current players since it seems to have real players.

Based on what was in [this thread], I'd say that it sounds pretty doubtful.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Solecismic

The question is actually ownership of the stats. FOF tracks much more than is easily obtained from newspapers and other sources that can be considered part of the public domain.

I would have to pay a service to use their information. Most likely much more than the value of those statistics to the customers.

wade moore · 10-27-2006, 08:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SkyDog

Based on what was in [this thread], I'd say that it sounds pretty doubtful.

For people that are lazy like me...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Solecismic

The question is actually ownership of the stats. FOF tracks much more than is easily obtained from newspapers and other sources that can be considered part of the public domain.

I would have to pay a service to use their information. Most likely much more than the value of those statistics to the customers.

JPhillips · 10-27-2006, 09:37 AM

I would love some options for recommended lineups, at least favor veterans or favor young players. That would be great for preseason so I don't have to manually change all the positions.

gstelmack · 10-27-2006, 09:44 AM

On Solevision, I'd like to see the sim speed move to something more similar to what I use in my viewers: a slider for the time (5 or 6 speeds isn't enough to cover everyone out there, and a slider gives more control over the timer intervals), and the ability to single-step the play-by-play with a button instead of the sliders. I've grown to love that ability, since each play line takes a different amount of time to read. With the single-step ability in my game viewer, I can follow an FOF2k4 game and get a really nice feel for what went right or wrong in about 10-15 mintues.

gstelmack · 10-27-2006, 09:55 AM

Need more data output options. There is still no way to get a list of all the staff with their attributes for easy browsing, for example (a simple "Print" button on the staff screen that grabs data in the detailed view would work). And I still hope the Draft screen lets me print all the data for the draftees for offline analysis. Unless the HTML output has all of this. Basically, I'm scared that I need to update Extractor and Interrogator and Extender for 2k7 and would rather not ;-)

cuervo72 · 10-27-2006, 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gstelmack

Need more data output options.

A thousand times yes.

Suburban Rhythm · 10-27-2006, 09:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wade moore

Apparently you haven't d/l'ed the game

.

To your first question, based on the notes about what it would take for converting an MP File and that Solecismic will be doing it for us, that makes me believe it's not going to be realistic for the old roster editor to work on new files.

As for your second point, FOF2007 has real player names. There nearly needs to be a city file, etc for the team names which are not NFL teams.

I guess this is what I get for leaving work @ 5:00 and not logging on last night!

jonesz · 10-27-2006, 09:59 AM

Solevision - I feel a nice small change as well would be to show who has posession for the other games in Solevision. A nice little football logo next to the team that currently has the ball or a < or > icon as is used in the game you are currently "watching".

Coder · 10-27-2006, 10:33 AM

Solevision -

I'd like for the Solevision to be accessed from somewhere other than the "Simulation Screen"..

Why?

When I'm in a multiplayer league, I want to watch the game BEFORE seeing the final score of the game. However, since I access the Solevision from the same screen as the results for the last week of games is posted, I have a hard time avoid seeing the results first.

Johnny Slick · 10-27-2006, 10:54 AM

Adjustable league sizes and schedules. I won't be buying this version because that's not in there and probably won't buy another copy of FOF until that's put in. I give FM a pass on this because it's so immersive in so many other aspects of European football, but that's pretty much where I draw the line. I don't want to play around with 32 teams. 16 would be great. 12 would be even greater. And this would also be a boon for online leagues since it's hard as hell to find 32 owners who are willing to stay on year after year.

Oh well. It's too bad Jim Gindin continues to overlook this vital aspect of text-based sports simulation. I guess I'll be waiting for Arlie Rahn's title.

Ksyrup · 10-27-2006, 10:55 AM

I understand your frustration...but that's what Maximum Football is for.

gstelmack · 10-27-2006, 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coder

Solevision -

I'd like for the Solevision to be accessed from somewhere other than the "Simulation Screen"..

Why?

When I'm in a multiplayer league, I want to watch the game BEFORE seeing the final score of the game. However, since I access the Solevision from the same screen as the results for the last week of games is posted, I have a hard time avoid seeing the results first.

There's an option in the Global Options to do this. There's a bug with it not working right away (change it right after starting the demo but before starting a new game), but it works.

Johnny Slick · 10-27-2006, 11:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

I understand your frustration...but that's what Maximum Football is for.

Ha. I think I'll just wait for whatever Grey Dog puts out, thanks.

Coder · 10-27-2006, 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gstelmack

There's an option in the Global Options to do this. There's a bug with it not working right away (change it right after starting the demo but before starting a new game), but it works.

Thanks

Leonidas · 10-27-2006, 11:34 AM

Something I've always wanted and know this game can't be changed to have, coaching styles. You could have a West Coast OC or a DC be a 2-deep zone guy, and when you do gameplan recommendations it gives you a gameplan based on the scheme of the coordinator.

wade moore · 10-27-2006, 11:47 AM

I appreciate all of the suggestions.

FWIW, Johnny Slick and Leonidas's suggestions sound more like discussion for future versions. I am really looking more for things with this version that could potentially be addressed in patches along with bug fixes.

CraigSca · 10-27-2006, 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnny Slick

Ha. I think I'll just wait for whatever Grey Dog puts out, thanks.

Along these same lines, the out and out most important thing for me is to have an accurate football simulation that KNOWS that you need to have new player skills come in at the same ratios as the outgoing players. Thus, you have a stable simulation.

I'll take a spread-sheety accurate sim over pretty interfaces, expansion, etc., any day.

Gallifrey · 10-27-2006, 11:53 AM

I haven't played the demo enough to see this, but do we have individual player cards in html? This is a great feature with BBCF.

14ers · 10-27-2006, 11:56 AM

One of my biggest complaints about FOF2004 was that coaches never really seemed to develop their skills. I would like to see coaches develop their skills like NFL players. A bad coach on a great team is going to become a better coach. A great coach on a bad team is going to become a good coach.

I am still a little new to this game and was wondering if there is anyway to create more coaching skills movement.

wade moore · 10-27-2006, 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gallifrey

I haven't played the demo enough to see this, but do we have individual player cards in html? This is a great feature with BBCF.

There do not appear to be any print options within the Player Card.

However, we have not seen any screenies or anything of what the "HTML Export" outputs look like. So, I think the jury is still out.

Gallifrey · 10-27-2006, 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wade moore

There do not appear to be any print options within the Player Card.

However, we have not seen any screenies or anything of what the "HTML Export" outputs look like. So, I think the jury is still out.

Thanks for taking a look there.

I did see where the game logs report to HTML now, color coded for teams. That is a good feature.

JeffW · 10-27-2006, 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

I'd still like a way to let the game sim a history for some number of years and then be able to take over a team in a mature universe.

This has always been on my wishlist.

Also:

Conference and division editing--if I wanted I could have two conferences with one division of 8 teams each for example. Expansion teams would go right along with this of course.

I'd like to see changes made to LB Sacks and RB Carries. It seems to me like LBs are not effective enough as pass rushers and RBs get too many carries(multiplayer record is over 600 carries in a single season).

Those are probably too major to implement at this point, though.

wade moore · 10-27-2006, 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JeffW

I'd like to see changes made to LB Sacks and RB Carries. It seems to me like LBs are not effective enough as pass rushers and RBs get too many carries(multiplayer record is over 600 carries in a single season).

I'm just curious.

How do you know these haven't been addressed?

Franklinnoble · 10-27-2006, 12:37 PM

Expansion and custom league sizes/configurations.

I can't believe this feature didn't make it into the game by now. It's not that difficult.

Deattribution · 10-27-2006, 12:45 PM

Some longshots -

Editing coach names (could be useless though since there doesn't seem to be a file for coaches to pass along)

Coach extensions (it could be in but didn't see it in the demo)

New yearly honor 2 players selected. Worst teammate - offensive and defensive. (could be named something fancier obviously)

Reiterate earlier suggestion, some way to sim through a certain amount of seasons to build a history.

Nothing *must* have really, but they'd be nice to see.

Deattribution · 10-27-2006, 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Franklinnoble

Expansion and custom league sizes/configurations.

I can't believe this feature didn't make it into the game by now. It's not that difficult.

It isn't?

I guess we should expect you to add it or create a game with it pretty soon then?

I liked expansion when it was in, but I never seen a huge need for custom leagues. Nice to have but not something I'd be overly excited about.

gstelmack · 10-27-2006, 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wade moore

I'm just curious.

How do you know these haven't been addressed?

Maybe he missed that it's already been released and was hoping to get in suggestions based on 2k4?

wade moore · 10-27-2006, 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gstelmack

Maybe he missed that it's already been released and was hoping to get in suggestions based on 2k4?

JeffW · 10-27-2006, 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wade moore

I'm just curious.

How do you know these haven't been addressed?

I don't yet. If they are, that's great.

JeffW · 10-27-2006, 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deattribution

I liked expansion when it was in, but I never seen a huge need for custom leagues. Nice to have but not something I'd be overly excited about.

The nice thing about custom leagues for multiplayer is that you don't have to deal with such a large playerbase. If you have a new or niche league, it'd be a lot easier to fill 16 slots than 32 and keep them filled.

nilodor · 10-27-2006, 01:15 PM

I'd like to see yards allowed or yards allowed per catch for defensive backs. I think this is important because you don't know if the guy who allowed 40 catches is giving up a lot of 5 - 7 yard route and the guy who allowed 20 catches is giving up a lot of 20 - 30 yard plays.

Other than that I really like the changes that have been made and look forward to testing them out.

jonesz · 10-27-2006, 01:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Franklinnoble

Expansion and custom league sizes/configurations.

I can't believe this feature didn't make it into the game by now. It's not that difficult.

FYI... From the Front Office Football 2007 thread..

Quote:

Originally Posted by Solecismic

Every architecture has its strengths and weaknesses. The way I designed FOF, I could either do a new version of the game that had custom league sizes, or I could do a version that had 100 other new features. If I had started with that feature in mind, it wouldn't be so major. But that's just the way it is. Football works well with 32 teams..

A-Husker-4-Life · 10-27-2006, 01:25 PM

In the playtime screen, you can't right click on the player and see his ratings. This would help if you could click it because then you would know his endurance rating and you could setup the correct playing time.

jamesUMD · 10-27-2006, 01:41 PM

"Editing coach names (could be useless though since there doesn't seem to be a file for coaches to pass along)

Coach extensions (it could be in but didn't see it in the demo)"

This would also be my request. I have always wanted this and was really hoping for it this time around.

JeffW · 10-27-2006, 02:59 PM

One last, incredibly small, suggestion is Season awards for special teams players if they aren't in there.

jbmagic · 10-27-2006, 03:21 PM

Make exhibition games played keep track of players stat.

wade moore · 10-27-2006, 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jbmagic

Make exhibition games played keep track of players stat.

I'm not sure why you want this, to me this is a feature I don't want.

Passacaglia · 10-27-2006, 03:29 PM

So the games themselves are supposed to keep track of the players...as soon as possible?

10-27-2006, 07:44 AM	#4
Suburban Rhythm Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Pittsburgh	I didn't see this covered in the other thread...but could have missed it. Anything on being able to use the old roster editor for new files? Along with that, I wonder how long until we see an NFL roster for 2007. __________________ "Do you guys play fast tempos with odd time signatures?" "Yeah" "Cool!!"

10-27-2006, 08:04 AM	#11
mrsimperless College Prospect Join Date: Apr 2003	I'm still holding out hope that the full version will have have historical stats for the current players since it seems to have real players. __________________ "All I know is that smart women are hot. Susan Polgar beat me in 24 moves in a simultaneous exhbition. I slept with the scoresheet under my pillow." Off some dude's web site.

10-27-2006, 09:37 AM	#15
JPhillips Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Newburgh, NY	I would love some options for recommended lineups, at least favor veterans or favor young players. That would be great for preseason so I don't have to manually change all the positions. __________________ To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.. - Mr. Rogers

10-27-2006, 09:44 AM	#16
gstelmack Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Cary, NC	On Solevision, I'd like to see the sim speed move to something more similar to what I use in my viewers: a slider for the time (5 or 6 speeds isn't enough to cover everyone out there, and a slider gives more control over the timer intervals), and the ability to single-step the play-by-play with a button instead of the sliders. I've grown to love that ability, since each play line takes a different amount of time to read. With the single-step ability in my game viewer, I can follow an FOF2k4 game and get a really nice feel for what went right or wrong in about 10-15 mintues. __________________ -- Greg -- Author of various FOF utilities

10-27-2006, 09:55 AM	#17
gstelmack Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Cary, NC	Need more data output options. There is still no way to get a list of all the staff with their attributes for easy browsing, for example (a simple "Print" button on the staff screen that grabs data in the detailed view would work). And I still hope the Draft screen lets me print all the data for the draftees for offline analysis. Unless the HTML output has all of this. Basically, I'm scared that I need to update Extractor and Interrogator and Extender for 2k7 and would rather not ;-) __________________ -- Greg -- Author of various FOF utilities

10-27-2006, 07:43 AM	#3
MrKordell n00b Join Date: Oct 2005	SOLEVISION -- I'd like to have the games on the right flash red when that game is in the red zone.

10-27-2006, 07:54 AM	#9
albionmoonlight Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	I'd still like a way to let the game sim a history for some number of years and then be able to take over a team in a mature universe. Certainly not a deal breaker, but probably the #1 feature for which I was hoping that is not in the game. (Although almost everything else on my "A" Wish List made it in the game, so I almost feel bad mentioning the one thing that did not)

10-27-2006, 09:59 AM	#20
jonesz Mascot Join Date: Nov 2000	Solevision - I feel a nice small change as well would be to show who has posession for the other games in Solevision. A nice little football logo next to the team that currently has the ball or a < or > icon as is used in the game you are currently "watching".

10-27-2006, 10:33 AM	#21
Coder College Prospect Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Gothenburg, Sweden	Solevision - I'd like for the Solevision to be accessed from somewhere other than the "Simulation Screen".. Why? When I'm in a multiplayer league, I want to watch the game BEFORE seeing the final score of the game. However, since I access the Solevision from the same screen as the results for the last week of games is posted, I have a hard time avoid seeing the results first. __________________ IFL - Vermont Mountaineers ~ I am an idiot, walking a tight rope of fortunate things ~

10-27-2006, 10:54 AM	#22
Johnny Slick Mascot Join Date: May 2006	Adjustable league sizes and schedules. I won't be buying this version because that's not in there and probably won't buy another copy of FOF until that's put in. I give FM a pass on this because it's so immersive in so many other aspects of European football, but that's pretty much where I draw the line. I don't want to play around with 32 teams. 16 would be great. 12 would be even greater. And this would also be a boon for online leagues since it's hard as hell to find 32 owners who are willing to stay on year after year. Oh well. It's too bad Jim Gindin continues to overlook this vital aspect of text-based sports simulation. I guess I'll be waiting for Arlie Rahn's title.

10-27-2006, 10:55 AM	#23
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	I understand your frustration...but that's what Maximum Football is for. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

10-27-2006, 11:34 AM	#27
Leonidas College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: East Anglia	Something I've always wanted and know this game can't be changed to have, coaching styles. You could have a West Coast OC or a DC be a 2-deep zone guy, and when you do gameplan recommendations it gives you a gameplan based on the scheme of the coordinator. __________________ Molon labe

10-27-2006, 11:53 AM	#30
Gallifrey High School Varsity Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Seattle, Washington	I haven't played the demo enough to see this, but do we have individual player cards in html? This is a great feature with BBCF.

10-27-2006, 11:56 AM	#31
14ers High School Varsity Join Date: Oct 2006	One of my biggest complaints about FOF2004 was that coaches never really seemed to develop their skills. I would like to see coaches develop their skills like NFL players. A bad coach on a great team is going to become a better coach. A great coach on a bad team is going to become a good coach. I am still a little new to this game and was wondering if there is anyway to create more coaching skills movement. __________________ I like the company I keep when I am alone. 'The Blonde Bomber'

10-27-2006, 12:37 PM	#36
Franklinnoble Banned Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Placerville, CA	Expansion and custom league sizes/configurations. I can't believe this feature didn't make it into the game by now. It's not that difficult.

10-27-2006, 12:45 PM	#37
Deattribution College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2003	Some longshots - Editing coach names (could be useless though since there doesn't seem to be a file for coaches to pass along) Coach extensions (it could be in but didn't see it in the demo) New yearly honor 2 players selected. Worst teammate - offensive and defensive. (could be named something fancier obviously) Reiterate earlier suggestion, some way to sim through a certain amount of seasons to build a history. Nothing must have really, but they'd be nice to see.

10-27-2006, 01:15 PM	#43
nilodor College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: calgary, AB	I'd like to see yards allowed or yards allowed per catch for defensive backs. I think this is important because you don't know if the guy who allowed 40 catches is giving up a lot of 5 - 7 yard route and the guy who allowed 20 catches is giving up a lot of 20 - 30 yard plays. Other than that I really like the changes that have been made and look forward to testing them out.

10-27-2006, 01:25 PM	#45
A-Husker-4-Life College Prospect Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Nebraska	In the playtime screen, you can't right click on the player and see his ratings. This would help if you could click it because then you would know his endurance rating and you could setup the correct playing time. __________________ JJ Smitty Owner of the TheC.F.L. - Come by and check us out.

10-27-2006, 01:41 PM	#46
jamesUMD High School JV Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Baltimore, MD	"Editing coach names (could be useless though since there doesn't seem to be a file for coaches to pass along) Coach extensions (it could be in but didn't see it in the demo)" This would also be my request. I have always wanted this and was really hoping for it this time around. __________________ HailtotheRedskins!

10-27-2006, 02:59 PM	#47
JeffW High School Varsity Join Date: Apr 2005	One last, incredibly small, suggestion is Season awards for special teams players if they aren't in there.

10-27-2006, 03:21 PM	#48
jbmagic Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2004	Make exhibition games played keep track of players stat.

10-27-2006, 03:29 PM	#50
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	So the games themselves are supposed to keep track of the players...as soon as possible? __________________ Pride and Prejudice -- an FOF9 Lions dynasty, starting 1966

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