Bah, Celeval and Disturbed need to contribute to the game plan library.

Ben E Lou · 10-16-2009, 01:16 PM

See 1993 for Elway, 2018 for Passut.

QB John Elway Player Details

QB Jonathan Passut Player Details

Subby · 10-16-2009, 01:18 PM

Yeah no kidding. QUIT HOLDING OUT ON US.

cuervo72 · 10-16-2009, 01:39 PM

Perhaps this is as good a place as any to post this. It's pertaining to City of Heroes and Champions Online, but I've seen many parallels between those games and FOF (including folks questioning the developer's VISION), but it may be something more universal to gaming and the human condition:

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What's frustrating to me is that I believe [CO Dev] is wrong on the subject of Melee damage (and about his general comments about defensive passive balancing) but I can't prove it absolutely. In CoX if [CoH Dev] made the comments [CO Dev] is making about game balance, and he was wrong, I'd be able to beat him to death with a phone book-sized pile of numbers. The mechanics in CO are more complex, and the mechanics and numbers much less certain, so that's not possible in CO right now. I'd *bet* real money I'm right: that's how certain I am. But unless CO releases a lot more data about a lot more things, it may be months or even years before anyone has enough information to be able to prove the matter one way or the other. It took years to amass that knowledge in CoH.

What's doubly frustrating is that I'm fully aware there's no *reason* for the devs to share that information, either with me or anyone else. In fact, my guess is that while one faction of Cryptic is in favor of sharing information, another stronger faction believes the longer they hold out on not sharing all the numbers and formulas the longer they delay min/maxers taking over the game. And they are probably right.

Its the same weird thing that sometimes causes me to advise the devs here that I would not actually recommend doing what I myself actually want done.

That comes from a poster who basically knows CoH game as well as the developers do, and is in close communications with many of the devs, but is not a developer herself.

Every game has it's min/maxers, even this one. That's just how it goes. It may take a while, but eventually they crack the code (not literal code, but the puzzle).

RedHawk00 · 10-16-2009, 02:33 PM

I am really impressed with Passut. But notice the 1-15 season with the new QB to help him develop quickly, then a 1.3 pick of a WR and BAM 11-5, playoffs for 6 straight seasons & perfect going into week 17 of this one...

Yoda · 10-16-2009, 03:41 PM

It's not like Subby is that far behind with his QB, and he's only rated a 55/55.
QB Mark Rypien Player Details

Celeval · 10-16-2009, 03:57 PM

I don't think I'm actually doing anything special, although I'll try and find some time to go through my gameplan in some detail. It's based off of one of the ones you did, Ben, just with a different breakdown of run/pass.

Overall, the pass efficiency just comes from making the run a priority and being successful at it. We lead the league, I think, in rushes per game at just over 35, and are third in over 150 yards/game... but then throw the ball less than 25 times. I don't think there's a signficant split there between first half/second half, either. We push the run, are successful at it, and when we do throw the ball we've got one total stud and two more excellent receivers in their own right to go get it.

My Memphis team just has a very strong level of talent, I think - I don't actually have a weakness on offense. I can't think of a position on my offensive 2-deep except backup QB and backup TE that couldn't start for most teams in the league. Defense isn't as good.

Celeval · 10-16-2009, 04:11 PM

Actually, I forgot about some of the stuff I do with formations... I'll put something together soon after the Doggie Bowl.

Disturbed · 10-16-2009, 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Subby

Yeah no kidding. QUIT HOLDING OUT ON US.

I think your season with Rypien is more impressive than what I am doing with Elway.

Disturbed · 10-16-2009, 05:29 PM

I might share my game plan that I am currently using. I don't know. We shall see.

Disturbed · 10-16-2009, 07:41 PM

oh yeah....

and I dont think its my game plan really as much as the players that surround Elway. The team has a in game roster rating of 25 but has players with the right bars.

Disturbed · 10-18-2009, 09:16 PM

So anyways, here is the game plan I am using in the GEFL.

bighouserulez · 10-19-2009, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Yoda

It's not like Subby is that far behind with his QB, and he's only rated a 55/55.
QB Mark Rypien Player Details

The reason i put what Elway is doing a little ahead of Rypien is recievers.
Tony Martin is of course the stud
FL Tony Martin Player Details
Henry Ellard
SE Henry Ellard Player Details
and Andre Rison
FL Andre Rison Player Details

Compared to Rypien's
6 straight years with 40 td passes at least and 3 straight over 50
Cris Carter is a man child
SE Cris Carter Player Details
Rob Moore
FL Rob Moore Player Details
And Subby's two other first round speed receivers
GEFL: Washington Redskins 1993

Subby's offense has incredible talent and speed at every position even tight end Walls and running back Samuels. I love the cast he has is a blueprint on how to set up a successful offensive team. His team has been intact, except for the rookies, for at least three years.

Elway and Martin came from a new team this year. They are playing like they have been together for years.

Yoda · 10-19-2009, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Disturbed

So anyways, here is the game plan I am using in the GEFL.

22 views and no comments....

Interesting... kudos to D for having the balls to post his gp.

Wonder if anyone else will step up?

cuervo72 · 10-19-2009, 05:51 PM

Yeah, Elway's WR look real weak there...

gstelmack · 10-19-2009, 07:24 PM

Not sure this is my latest, but it's one version of my defensive gameplan. Key here is turning down the aggressive options quite a bit, otherwise a pretty vanilla 4-3.

iBomb1st · 10-19-2009, 09:34 PM

Awesome stuff guys. I love seeing what other people do as I've figured out most of what I do on my own... Im looking forward to digesting both GP's. Thanks!

Subby · 10-19-2009, 11:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bighouserulez

The reason i put what Elway is doing a little ahead of Rypien is recievers.
Tony Martin is of course the stud
FL Tony Martin Player Details
Henry Ellard
SE Henry Ellard Player Details
and Andre Rison
FL Andre Rison Player Details

Compared to Rypien's
6 straight years with 40 td passes at least and 3 straight over 50
Cris Carter is a man child
SE Cris Carter Player Details
Rob Moore
FL Rob Moore Player Details
And Subby's two other first round speed receivers
GEFL: Washington Redskins 1993

Subby's offense has incredible talent and speed at every position even tight end Walls and running back Samuels. I love the cast he has is a blueprint on how to set up a successful offensive team. His team has been intact, except for the rookies, for at least three years.

Elway and Martin came from a new team this year. They are playing like they have been together for years.

you are on crack

Disturbed · 10-19-2009, 11:35 PM

Its just the HGH we gave Elway and Martin after trading for them.

Yoda · 10-26-2009, 11:42 AM

For those that care, season ending stats for Elway and Rypien:

Elway:
76.1% Completion
5355 Yards (13.06 YPA/9.94 YPC)
67 TD's
4 INT
539 Atts
410 Completions

Rypien:
68.2% Completion
4949 Yards (14.06 YPC/9.59 YPA)
64 TD's
13 INTs
519 Atts
354 Completions

Subby · 10-26-2009, 12:56 PM

Kodos · 10-26-2009, 01:44 PM

Those are both in GEFL, right? I'd like to think those stats aren't achievable in multiplayer leagues with game-generated rosters.

Disturbed · 10-26-2009, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Kodos

Those are both in GEFL, right? I'd like to think those stats aren't achievable in multiplayer leagues with game-generated rosters.

Maybe not the yardage.. but QB rating and TD passes were put up in the WOOF that are very similar

QB Jonathan Passut Player Details

Just curious.. has anyone had or seen a MP QB with a rating higher than Elway's 143.4 for a full season??

jzicc · 10-27-2009, 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Disturbed

has anyone had or seen a MP QB with a rating higher than Elway's 143.4 for a full season??

wow that's impressive -- lmao -- what's the max on the rating -- 158 or something?

MIJB#19 · 10-27-2009, 12:12 PM

So, if Elway had traded 2 touchdowns and 4 interceptions for 8 completed passes for 1,372 yards, he would have posted a 'perfect' season.

MalcPow · 10-27-2009, 12:18 PM

8 completions for 1,372 yards eh? Pls share gameplan k thx

tarcone · 10-27-2009, 02:07 PM

EAs Madden meets FOF

bighouserulez · 10-27-2009, 03:19 PM

The weird thing is Elway tailed off a little in the last few games.

It could have been the defense catching up to the scheme but he was on points for over 70 tds after 10 games.

10-16-2009, 01:18 PM	#2
Subby lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: sans pants	Yeah no kidding. QUIT HOLDING OUT ON US. __________________ Superman was flying around and saw Wonder Woman getting a tan in the nude on her balcony. Superman said I going to hit that real fast. So he flys down toward Wonder Woman to hit it and their is a loud scream. The Invincible Man scream what just hit me in the ass!!!!! I do shit, I take pictures, I write about it: chrisshue.com

10-16-2009, 03:41 PM	#5
Yoda High School Varsity Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Woodstock, GA	It's not like Subby is that far behind with his QB, and he's only rated a 55/55. QB Mark Rypien Player Details __________________ Championships Won CCFL 2040 PFL 2015 2022 2026 2046 FFL 2013 2014 2015 RNFL 2014 2029 GMFL 2009 HFL 1983 1987 1990 TFL 1983 vNFL 2024 GML 2011 WOOF 2018

10-19-2009, 05:51 PM	#14
cuervo72 Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Maryland	Yeah, Elway's WR look real weak there... __________________ null

10-26-2009, 12:56 PM	#20
Subby lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: sans pants	sick __________________ Superman was flying around and saw Wonder Woman getting a tan in the nude on her balcony. Superman said I going to hit that real fast. So he flys down toward Wonder Woman to hit it and their is a loud scream. The Invincible Man scream what just hit me in the ass!!!!! I do shit, I take pictures, I write about it: chrisshue.com

10-26-2009, 01:44 PM	#21
Kodos Resident Alien Join Date: Jun 2001	Those are both in GEFL, right? I'd like to think those stats aren't achievable in multiplayer leagues with game-generated rosters. __________________ Indiana Hoosiers Football - 2025-26 National Champs The FOFC Ladder History thread

10-16-2009, 02:33 PM	#4
RedHawk00 H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Dec 2007	I am really impressed with Passut. But notice the 1-15 season with the new QB to help him develop quickly, then a 1.3 pick of a WR and BAM 11-5, playoffs for 6 straight seasons & perfect going into week 17 of this one...

10-16-2009, 03:57 PM	#6
Celeval Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Cary, NC, USA	I don't think I'm actually doing anything special, although I'll try and find some time to go through my gameplan in some detail. It's based off of one of the ones you did, Ben, just with a different breakdown of run/pass. Overall, the pass efficiency just comes from making the run a priority and being successful at it. We lead the league, I think, in rushes per game at just over 35, and are third in over 150 yards/game... but then throw the ball less than 25 times. I don't think there's a signficant split there between first half/second half, either. We push the run, are successful at it, and when we do throw the ball we've got one total stud and two more excellent receivers in their own right to go get it. My Memphis team just has a very strong level of talent, I think - I don't actually have a weakness on offense. I can't think of a position on my offensive 2-deep except backup QB and backup TE that couldn't start for most teams in the league. Defense isn't as good.

10-16-2009, 04:11 PM	#7
Celeval Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Cary, NC, USA	Actually, I forgot about some of the stuff I do with formations... I'll put something together soon after the Doggie Bowl.

10-16-2009, 05:29 PM	#9
Disturbed Mascot Join Date: Aug 2009	I might share my game plan that I am currently using. I don't know. We shall see.

10-16-2009, 07:41 PM	#10
Disturbed Mascot Join Date: Aug 2009	oh yeah.... and I dont think its my game plan really as much as the players that surround Elway. The team has a in game roster rating of 25 but has players with the right bars.

10-19-2009, 09:34 PM	#16
iBomb1st n00b Join Date: Jan 2009	Awesome stuff guys. I love seeing what other people do as I've figured out most of what I do on my own... Im looking forward to digesting both GP's. Thanks!

10-19-2009, 11:35 PM	#18
Disturbed Mascot Join Date: Aug 2009	Its just the HGH we gave Elway and Martin after trading for them.

10-26-2009, 11:42 AM	#19
Yoda High School Varsity Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Woodstock, GA	For those that care, season ending stats for Elway and Rypien: Elway: 76.1% Completion 5355 Yards (13.06 YPA/9.94 YPC) 67 TD's 4 INT 539 Atts 410 Completions Rypien: 68.2% Completion 4949 Yards (14.06 YPC/9.59 YPA) 64 TD's 13 INTs 519 Atts 354 Completions __________________ Championships Won CCFL 2040 PFL 2015 2022 2026 2046 FFL 2013 2014 2015 RNFL 2014 2029 GMFL 2009 HFL 1983 1987 1990 TFL 1983 vNFL 2024 GML 2011 WOOF 2018

10-27-2009, 12:12 PM	#24
MIJB#19 Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Maassluis, Zuid-Holland, Netherlands	So, if Elway had traded 2 touchdowns and 4 interceptions for 8 completed passes for 1,372 yards, he would have posted a 'perfect' season. __________________ * 2005 Golden Scribe winner for best FOF Dynasty about IHOF's Maassluis Merchantmen * Former GM of GEFL's Houston Oilers and WOOF's Curacao Cocktail

10-27-2009, 12:18 PM	#25
MalcPow College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: San Diego	8 completions for 1,372 yards eh? Pls share gameplan k thx

10-27-2009, 02:07 PM	#26
tarcone Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Pacific	EAs Madden meets FOF

10-27-2009, 03:19 PM	#27
bighouserulez H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Michigan	The weird thing is Elway tailed off a little in the last few games. It could have been the defense catching up to the scheme but he was on points for over 70 tds after 10 games. __________________ Are you looking for a different MP league? TFL is a league that uses historical rosters and adds in other sport athletes and famous figures from a certain era http://www.younglifenorthdekalb.com/tfl/ben/index.php GML is a league that is you as a GM and a GM only http://www.fof-gml.com/forum/register.php?do=addmember vNFL and House have the forum that shares knowledge and asks for players to constantly challenge thinking in fof. http://www.bearsruletheworld.com/vnfl/

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