Shockey calls Parcells a "homo"

[kcchief19]

Shockey Rips Parcells (http://espn.go.com/nfl/news/2003/0808/1592493.html)

It's just a matter of time before this guy self-destructs. He's the John Rocker of the NFL.

[EagleFan]

He's nothing more than a spoiled brat. In a couple years he'll be a topic of a where are they now video.

[scooper]

Originally posted by EagleFan
He's nothing more than a spoiled brat. In a couple years he'll be a topic of a where are they now video.

Yes but he's one heck of a coach. :D

Not so sure about Shockey, though.

[Drake]

Why is this news? Is there any guy in America who hasn't called another guy a homo for doing something he perceives as silly, stupid, annoying?

That is not to say that it's right to do so -- in fact, I'll acknowledge that it's terribly politically incorrect to do so, and unnecessarily extends the shelf-life of harmful prejudices -- but it happens. We've all done it. We all still do it sometimes, and the jackass who decided to report it should have been able to predict what the politically correct public reaction would have been and pulled it out of the story. That he left it in leads me to believe that this was a journalist with an agenda -- that agenda being "I want to do a story on what a bigoted, loudmouthed jerk Shockey is". There's no good reason from a journalistic perspective to leave the words The homo in that piece unless you specifically wanted that slant.

If Shockey had gone off on a screed about homosexuality, that would have been another thing entirely. In this case, however, he's just using a generally accepted guy shorthand term for a dick, but probably didn't want to use language that strong in an interview.

[mrsimperless]

Funny thing is, there wouldn't be this much hype if he HAD called him a dick.

[Marmel]

Wait until John Galt hears about this one!!!

[TroyF]

Drake,

I might have more sympathy for Shockey if this were his first problem. This is a guy who took a lot of crap last year for making what many perceived as anti-gay comments. He should have learned at that point to be more careful.

I'll say the same thing now that I said a year ago. . . Jeremy Shockey has every right to make his feelings known. I have every right to think the person saying those comments is an idiot.

He's a talented football player (although I don't think he's the revolutionary player many think he is) He keeps making comments like this, he'll keep getting ripped apart for it.

TroyF

[44Niners]

Shocking news - football players make disparing re-marks about gays!!!

Why the hell would some gay guy care what Jeremy Shockey thinks - he is a dumb jock.

Shockey is a moron anyway - he is a good player - but hasn't accomplished 10% of what Parcells has.

all-in-all this is a new millenium story - that is way too much media looking for scandal at every turn.

[Ksyrup]

And as someone mentioned above, you've got to wonder if this interview was done with the express intent of having this guy say something like this. Not that Shockey isn't a big boy and can't watch what he says, but I wonder what the true motivation for the story was.

[Drake]

Eh, I'm not saying I have any sympathy for him, Troy. I think Shockey is a bigoted, loudmouthed jerk who deserves whatever grief he gets.

I just wanted to point out that this seems to me to be an example of the media perpetuating a particular presentation of an individual because it will sell copy. What offends me is that this amounts to the journalist in question choosing to insert his spin on Shockey into the article. Shockey's two word comment was a throwaway line. It was a stand-in for a whole other set of male insult signals that have nothing to do with Shockey's anti-homosexual feelings. I'd bet that 95% of the people who read that article understand that, and wouldn't even have noticed it if the media hadn't made it a big deal.

The journalist in question should have recognized this would happen. Because he chose to leave it in when the outcome was predictable says to me that he's capitalizing on the expected outcome. He is, in fact, attempting to manipulate it. He's not so much giving us a story as he's giving us spin. I object to that. I think it's unprofessional.

[FishFan]

So Shockey calls Parcells a "homo". Who really gives a shit?

[Drake]

Originally posted by FishFan
So Shockey calls Parcells a "homo". Who really gives a shit?

Didn't I already say that, doof? ;)

[Fritz]

FishFan and Drake - you guys are such homos

[Fritz]

dola does that make me the John Rocker of the FOBL?

[Marmel]

I would like to be the John Holmes of the FOBL.

[Fritz]

Originally posted by Marmel
I would like to be the John Holmes of the FOBL.

I just got this email I need to forward to you.

[Drake]

Fritz,

You are the John Rocker of the FOBL, only with a cuter butt.

[Fritz]

Originally posted by Drake
Fritz,

You are the John Rocker of the FOBL, only with a cuter butt.

homo

[FishFan]

Originally posted by Drake
Didn't I already say that, doof? ;)

Sorry, dude. Didn't mean to steal your work.

[Mustang]

Any chance of getting Shockey on Queer Eye for Straight Guys? You would think they would absolutely drool at the opportunity to get a tight end on the show....

[Cuckoo]

Originally posted by Mustang
Any chance of getting Shockey on Queer Eye for Straight Guys? You would think they would absolutely drool at the opportunity to get a tight end on the show....

LOL! Do I smell a QOTM?

[Leonidas]

I'm a homo, you're a homo, wouldn't ya like to be a homo too?
(just imagine that to the old Dr Pepper jingle)

I love the fact now Shockey is completely denying he ever said it and claiming it was someone else who said it. The reporter is sticking to his guns and saying Shockey just went on a rant and ended it with the homo quote. Shockey outta be a man and just stand up say, "Yeah, I called him that. So what?" Weasel.

[sterlingice]

If this guy isn't in New York, it's not news. If it's some Bears player saying it about a Packer, no one cares.

SI

[kcchief19]

Well, I think Shockey being in New York makes it a bigger story, but I think anybody calling Bill Parcells a "homo" regardless of location is a story.

But who other than 8-year-olds calls anybody a "homo?" Someone with the IQ and personality of an 8-year-old is usual the answer.

[ISiddiqui]

Even though Parcells is so old, I still think he could kick the shit out of Shockey ;).

[sterlingice]

Originally posted by ISiddiqui
Even though Parcells is so old, I still think he could kick the shit out of Shockey ;).

Yeah, he strikes me as a mean old bastard.

SI

[SteelerFan448]

The guys entitled to his opinion. Just because he is a public figure, it doesn't mean he should be restricted to what he says. There is too much political correct BS anyways, you need a guy like this that speaks his mind.

[Buccaneer]

He is restricted in what he says because he is a person of non-color.

[ducks]

[SteelerFan448]

Originally posted by Buccaneer
He is restricted in what he says because he is a person of non-color.

[ducks]

Sad but true.

[Sharpieman]

He was stupid for what he said, I mean he only caught 2 touchdowns last year and he already thinks hes better then Parcells. As for the homo thing, that doesn't matter, who hasn't called someone a homo before? I think the hype is just a little too much for guys like Shockey and Vick. They haven't done much and they are already hyped up into the next greatest thing.

[Tekneek]

And then Troy Vincent, who I used to like as a player, displays this nugget, "...I don't think he means anything by it disrespectfully...", as if people routinely call each other a homo and it is all in good fun. If it wasn't meant as a dis, why was it said?

[SteelerFan448]

Originally posted by Tekneek
And then Troy Vincent, who I used to like as a player, displays this nugget, "...I don't think he means anything by it disrespectfully...", as if people routinely call each other a homo and it is all in good fun. If it wasn't meant as a dis, why was it said?

You no longer like him because of that quote?

I think the word 'overreaction' best describes all this with Shockey.

[Ben E Lou]

Originally posted by Buccaneer
He is restricted in what he says because he is a person of non-color.

[ducks] Two words: Reggie White.

[sabotai]

"He was stupid for what he said, I mean he only caught 2 touchdowns last year and he already thinks hes better then Parcells."

Number of TD receptions by Shockey: 2
Number of TD receptions by Parcells: 0

:p

[The_herd]

Number of TD receptions by Shockey: 2
Number of Super Bowl Trips for Parcells:3

[sabotai]

Number of Years in the league for Shockey: 1
Number of years in the league for Parcells: 519

Real fair to compare SB trips. :p

[Buccaneer]

Originally posted by SkyDog
Two words: Reggie White.

Another two words: Dusty Baker

[Ben E Lou]

Originally posted by Buccaneer
Another two words: Dusty Baker Sure, but Reggie White's comments are better compared to Shockey's than Baker's compared to Shockey's, considering both raised the "homophobic" flag. My contention is that homosexuality is the current #1 PC thing, and even a black person can't get avoid the PC police when it comes to homosexual issues.

[Easy Mac]

Giants best record w/ Shockey - 10-6
Giants best record w/ Parcells - 14-2

[Easy Mac]

Originally posted by SkyDog
Sure, but Reggie White's comments are better compared to Shockey's than Baker's compared to Shockey's, considering both raised the "homophobic" flag. My contention is that homosexuality is the current #1 PC thing, and even a black person can't get avoid the PC police when it comes to homosexual issues.

Yes, and White even said worse things about ethnic groups, but he wasn't even raked over the coals.

[The_herd]

Originally posted by sabotai
Number of Years in the league for Shockey: 1
Number of years in the league for Parcells: 519

Real fair to compare SB trips. :p

Excuses for Shockey:0

[Ben E Lou]

Originally posted by Easy Mac
Yes, and White even said worse things about ethnic groups, but he wasn't even raked over the coals. That's my point exactly. Being black, Reggie (and Dusty) got away with inappropriate ethnic comments, but even Reggie White wasn't exempt from the P.C. police with regards to calling homosexual behavior sinful.

[Easy Mac]

oh, i didn't even hear him get bitched at for that in the media. All I remeber is ESPN saying something about it for around a day, him not apologizing for anything, and them dropping it. cool.

[TroyF]

I wasn't a real big fan of Shockey before this. He's like Randy Moss to me. . . he's a great player to watch PLAY, everything else he does disgusts me. Catching a five yard pass and celebrate like he's some sort of living God? Spend more time trying to run over a 49er instead of just scoring the TD in a playoff game? (that might be a good reason as to why he only caught 2 TD's the entire year)

I'll pass. He's a great football player who will only get better. Having said that, I hope Roy Williams flattens him when the Giants play the Cowboys. It'd be a case of one of my favorite, classy players laying out a guy I don't like. It'd be the Cowboys making a good play which would suck, but I think I could find a way to live with it. :)

TroyF

[Ben E Lou]

Originally posted by Easy Mac
oh, i didn't even hear him get bitched at for that in the media. All I remeber is ESPN saying something about it for around a day, him not apologizing for anything, and them dropping it. cool. If I recall, most of his endorsement contracts were allowed to expire and not renewed, the Packers and the NFL reprimanded and fined him, and one of the networks that was about to hire him as a sports commentator decided not to do so.

[Julio Riddols]

Reasons I posted on this thread: 1

Everything I touch dies.

(Screen is replaced by static, then an image breaks through the cacophony.. Its a textual image, featuring a message..)

Parcells is gay.. thats why they call him the tuna. He's a trans-gendered football genius.

Shockey should be respected for being a lehmans straight shooter.

[TroyF]

Originally posted by Julio Riddols
Shockey should be respected for being a lehmans straight shooter.

There is no possible way I could disagree with this comment more. It goes back to the Dixie Chicks. I don't have to respect them at all. Not even a little bit.

What I have to respect is their right to say what they say. (which I do 100%)

TroyF

[Buccaneer]

SkyDog, I agree with you but I compare to Mr. White's comments to Rocker's and look who got (still) the worse treatment. In my mind, calling someone a homo is not being homophobic (fear of homosexuals) the media sticks on things when they have no idea what they are talking about. Maybe he should have used faggoty instead. :)

[mckerney]

Originally posted by Buccaneer
He is restricted in what he says because he is a person of non-color.

[ducks]

Kerry Collins

[Tekneek]

Originally posted by SteelerFan448
You no longer like him because of that quote?

I think the word 'overreaction' best describes all this with Shockey.

You think you're playing the "Jump to conclusions" game, or something? I never said that had anything to do with it. I never liked him since he left the Dolphins. It has nothing to do with him personally, it's just a football thing.

[SteelerFan448]

Originally posted by Tekneek
You think you're playing the "Jump to conclusions" game, or something?

Nope, I was just asking a question.

[JeeberD]

It's already been said, but Shocky is an idjit...

[illinifan999]

Bill Parcells is a homo.

[JeeberD]

illinifan's an idjit...

[illinifan999]

JeeberD attacks illinifan personally.
The homo.

[JeeberD]

Shhh, don't give away my secret. You might scare bbor away...

[Ben E Lou]

Originally posted by Buccaneer
SkyDog, I agree with you but I compare to Mr. White's comments to Rocker's and look who got (still) the worse treatment.You have GOT to be kidding me!!! Rocker went off on "queers", and White said that homosexual behavior was sinful. BIG difference. Rocker deserved what he got.

[Easy Mac]

so calling someone a name is worse than condemning someone to hell?

[ISiddiqui]

Displaying utter hate for a group is worse than say they are sinful, yes.

[Tekneek]

Originally posted by SteelerFan448
Nope, I was just asking a question.

No problem. I'm not even sure why I got bent out of shape about it now.

[Ben E Lou]

Originally posted by Easy Mac
so calling someone a name is worse than condemning someone to hell? Exactly when did White condemn anyone to hell???

[Fritz]

can you get a certification to condemn people to hell? I would like to do this on the weekends to earn some extra money.

THNX!!!!!

[illinifan999]

I wonder what would happen if a white guy got pulled over by a black cop and screamed racial profiling? Think anyone would pay attention?

[Fritz]

Originally posted by illinifan999
I wonder what would happen if a white guy got pulled over by a black cop and screamed racial profiling? Think anyone would pay attention?

depends on where he gets pulled over. For instance, if the officer pulls him over in the diaper aisle of the babies r us pretty much anything the white guy screams will draw attention. Well, unless people are hiding from the two cars that have burst through the front of the store.

[Buccaneer]

Originally posted by SkyDog
You have GOT to be kidding me!!! Rocker went off on "queers", and White said that homosexual behavior was sinful. BIG difference. Rocker deserved what he got.

SD, you know that I know the difference between speaking from the heart on biblical truth (Reggie) and from ones arse on social interaction (Rocker). What I was focusing was the reaction from the media and activists. Here was a blurb on the (delayed) reaction to Reggie's comments


During the talk, Reggie forthrightly presented the biblical position on many problems facing our world, including greed, sexual immorality, race relations, and obscene movies and music. In comparing the gay rights movement to the civil rights movement, he said, “Homosexuality is a decision. It’s not a race.” His comments created an uproar.

Not at first, mind you. Members of the legislature flocked around him after the speech, eager to have their photo taken with the sports hero. But once Reggie’s words were reported in the national press, particularly his comments on homosexuality, and once homosexual activists started branding him an “extremist” and “bigot,” some of these same legislators changed their tune and publicly said they were “appalled” or “shocked” at the speech. Worth noting is that the few homosexuals in the legislature were not among those expressing shock, and Reggie says one even defended his right to say what he believed.


It seems that Rocker and Shockley were also branded "extremist" and "bigot" and listeners/readers were "appalled" or "shock", as well all using the word "homophobic".

[Ksyrup]

All I have to say on this subject is:

Would you rather someone call you a 'homo' or a 'tapioca-filled condom with a belt'?

Parcells has been called both. Personally, I'd take the former over the latter.

[sterlingice]

Originally posted by JeeberD
It's already been said, but Shocky is an idjit...

I've always liked the term "idjit" ;)

SI

[sabotai]

At least the kid's (apparently) learning:

"I want to apologize to my family, my teammates and the Giants organization," Shockey said in his statement. "I did not intend to disrespect anyone, but I understand that is exactly what I have done with several of my recent comments in the stuff that has come out and continues to come out. Several of my comments have been thoughtless, immature and made with a total disregard for those around me and for any possible consequences. I understand that some of my comments have been irresponsible. I have disrespected myself, my coach, my family and my teammates, and once again, I would like to apologize for that. I spoke with Coach (Jim) Fassel this morning and he made it clear to me that some of my recent comments are completely unacceptable, and I understand where he's coming from. My age is not an excuse and ignorance is not an excuse. My mother taught me better than this, and my recent actions have shown a complete disregard for that upbringing. I am aware of how upset (team owners) Mr. (Wellington) Mara and Mr. (Robert) Tisch are with me for saying some of the stupid things I've said, and I do not blame them. All I can do now is reassure them that I am proud to be a member of this organization, and that I will represent this franchise in that way from here on out. The best thing for me to do right now is keep my mouth shut and focus on winning football games."

[sterlingice]

Originally posted by Ksyrup
All I have to say on this subject is:

Would you rather someone call you a 'homo' or a 'tapioca-filled condom with a belt'?

Parcells has been called both. Personally, I'd take the former over the latter.

Where was the press when the tapioca-filled condom people needed defense?

SI

[Buccaneer]

At least the kid's (apparently) learning:

No, he is reading a statement prepared by a PR person and approved ahead of time by certain activist representatives.

[sabotai]

"No, he is reading a statement prepared by a PR person and approved ahead of time by certain activist representatives."

So what? Show me a sports figure who doesn't. He got up there and read a statement that put all the blame on himself. That's a lot more than what most sports figures do when they screw up.

[Buccaneer]

Originally posted by sabotai
"No, he is reading a statement prepared by a PR person and approved ahead of time by certain activist representatives."

So what? Show me a sports figure who doesn't. He got up there and read a statement that put all the blame on himself. That's a lot more than what most sports figures do when they screw up.

Until the next time.

[QuikSand]

Originally posted by Buccaneer
It seems that Rocker and Shockley were also branded "extremist" and "bigot" and listeners/readers were "appalled" or "shock", as well all using the word "homophobic".

I know it was a typo, but let's not give Jeremy Shockey the benefit of even a slip of the tongue placing him alongside William Shockley - who suffered many of the same criticisms, but was at least a very intelligent man (though most would say deeply misguided on such matters). Jeremy Shockey is just a dumb kid - not a bigoted genius.

[kcchief19]

A lot of you guys are wanting things both ways. Some of you appear to be defending Shockey, saying he can say whatever he wants to, but then criticize anybody who criticizes Shockey. If Shockey wants to call Parcells a "homo," he should feel free to, but he should realize that there are going to be people who will call him a bigot and and an idiot, and they should be free to do so as well. Defend both or defend neither, but you can defend one and oppose the other.

As for calling someone a "homo" or "faggoty" or the N-bomb or another term, whether it's a reference to gender, race, color or creed, I believe the use of the term is an example of the individual's character. If you use such terms in derision, you are showing a form of bigotry against that person. No one uses the word "homo" in a good way, i.e., "Man, I love that Michael Jordan! He is such as a homo!"

I must confess that I don't understand some of the other arguments here. I'm well aware that a bunch of politicians got their picture taken with Reggie after his speech, but those that weren't shocked at the time probably weren't listening or maybe even agree with them. They expressed their "shock" when the tape hit, which I think lets you know about their character, or lack thereof.

Nonetheless, Reggie did and continues to take heat, although I think less so for his comments on gays and more for this comments on Asians, Hispanics and other minorities. Rocker got what he deserved in my book, as have others of both color and "non-color."

As for Dusty, his comments were ill-informed and scientifically wrong, but I'm not sure you can make a racist comment about yourself. There is no comparison between Shockey and Baker. There is a comparison between Shockey and Rocker, and there is a comparison between Shockey and White, but not in regard to Reggie's comments about gays. The comparison is White's comments about other races.

[Buccaneer]

QS, I'm going have to learn who William Shockley is/was (not that I would agree with him but in case I have to answer a Jeopardy question - or question a Jeopardy answer?).

[ISiddiqui]

He's the guy that helped invent the transistor, IIRC.

[mckerney]

Originally posted by illinifan999
JeeberD attacks illinifan personally.
The homo.

So has 'homo' now taken the place of 'I hope you get AIDS and die' as they insult that's hip and phat and dope and Poppin' Fresh?

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally posted by Buccaneer calling someone a homo is not being homophobic (fear of homosexuals)

Ding Ding Ding.

[QuikSand]

Originally posted by ISiddiqui
He's the guy that helped invent the transistor, IIRC.

Yes, won a Nobel prize for the effort.

Became pretty famous, or infamous, later in his life when he became the loudest and clearest voice on behalf of what we now might call "Bell Curve thinking" - suggesting that racial difference rendered practically all blacks to be intellectually inferior. He was also a proponent of eugenics, in a variety of ways - probably the least offensive being his siggestion that there ought to be a huge sperm bank from Nobel winners created, so the world could benefit from their wonderful genes. That, to me, is more annoying in a self-aggrandizing sense than anything, but you get the idea-- the man had some pretty outrageous beliefs.

[clintl]

People don't like Shockey much in the first place, because he has a history of being an outspoken asshole. I think that has a lot more to do with it than race. I think if a black athlete who is unpopular (let's say Barry Bonds, for instance) said the same thing, he would get vilified just as much as Shockey and Rocker. Just look at the flak Bonds took simply for suggesting that if he passes Ruth on the all-time HR list, he should be considered a better player. It lacked class, but it is a plausible argument that will be argued over by fans after Bonds retires, and people condemned him for it, despite the fact that it is far less offensive than most of the other examples here.

[Ksyrup]

Originally posted by mckerney
So has 'homo' now taken the place of 'I hope you get AIDS and die' as they insult that's hip and phat and dope and Poppin' Fresh?

No, on the contrary, its a juvenile insult that's been around as long as I can remember. It's what 14 year olds call each other. And by my estimate, that's about the level Shockey is coming from.

[Maple Leafs]

Refresh my memory... was Shockey the guy who last year said there were no gay football players, and that if he discovered he had a gay teammate, he "wouldn't stand for it"?

[sabotai]

"was Shockey the guy who last year said there were no gay football players, and that if he discovered he had a gay teammate, he "wouldn't stand for it"?"

Yes to the latter part. The wouldn't stand for it (which, in my biased opinion, he was just a young kid trying to make a joke on the Howard Stern show. I don't think he meant it).

But I'm not sure if he said "there are no gay football players". I think that was someone else. But I'm not sure. (I think what he said was there were no gay football players on his team (Miami).)

[Samdari]

Originally posted by sabotai
[BBut I'm not sure if he said "there are no gay football players". I think that was someone else. But I'm not sure. (I think what he said was there were no gay football players on his team (Miami).) [/B]
Call this a draw. The whole "I wouldn't stand for it" came in the later part of a response to Howard Stern asking him if there were gay football players. His initial response was, "I hope not." He then explained that he doubted there were any, as it would be so difficult for them to conceal it.

[Maple Leafs]

Originally posted by Samdari
Call this a draw. The whole "I wouldn't stand for it" came in the later part of a response to Howard Stern asking him if there were gay football players. His initial response was, "I hope not." He then explained that he doubted there were any, as it would be so difficult for them to conceal it. Yes, from a quick Google search that's essentially how it happened.

My point in bringing this up is to show that the whole "he's not homophobic, he was just using the term as an insult" defense doesn't really work for Shockey. He's already on record making anti-gay remarks. And of course, he apologized last time too and promised never to do it again.

In the grand scheme of things I don't think this whole incident is really a big deal. But I do think he's shown what type of guy he is, and all the apologies to follow will ring pretty hollow.