FINALLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Ben E Lou]

http://www.younglifenorthdekalb.com/fof/promote.jpg

[Bonegavel]

Ben, your system tray and quick launch bar are out of control! I hope you have over a gig of RAM.

[Ben E Lou]

512Meg...

and you oughta see my desktop ;)

[Eaglesfan27]

I assume you aren't coaching each game?

[Ben E Lou]

Uh oh. I guess after 30 years as an Indy, the expectations have gone up. First year in, and the A.D. expects me to win the Conf. Championship. :p

[Ben E Lou]

I assume you aren't coaching each game?Of course not.

[Calis]

He did it!

Grats SkyDog, very nice work. You're a more patient man than I.

Now you just have to move them to one of the big conferences. ;)

[RPI-Fan]

I'm guessing you should probably dominate your new conference, since your prestige is so high. Don't most 2-level conferences have teams in the 20-40 range?

[hukarez]

Now I'm tempted more than ever to buy this game...yet, I'm still patiently waiting for the next iteration of FBB. Arg!!

[Ben E Lou]

I'm guessing you should probably dominate your new conference, since your prestige is so high. Don't most 2-level conferences have teams in the 20-40 range?Well, College of Charleston is a little above me. (They're 46, I'm 43.) There are 5 or 6 teams in the conference with prestige in the 30's, and then a small number in the teens and twenties. I should be one of the better teams. We're 2-1 lifetime against College of Charleston. We're 17-9 lifetime total against the other teams in the conference.

[WussGawd]

Is it just me, or is anybody else a little leary of working for an AD named "Wagers."

What, Parley had already been hired by UNLV?

[Franklinnoble]

It took 30 years to move up? Yikes...

[RPI-Fan]

It took 30 years to move up? Yikes...

There was a bug that had a particularly nasty effect on a team like SkyDog's that kept him from raising his prestige properly. Soon after HR fixed it, it looks like things went a lot better.

[korme]

Wagers is his recruiting coordinator.

[Ben E Lou]

There was a bug that had a particularly nasty effect on a team like SkyDog's that kept him from raising his prestige properly. Soon after HR fixed it, it looks like things went a lot better.Not just that, but it is definitely more difficult to gain prestige as an Indy, and the reason is simple and logical: no automatic NCAA bid for the champ. Only the highest-prestige Conference champ at each level is considered for a move up. and Southern Utah was winning the MCC virtually every season. With every MCC Tourney win, they were getting into the Big Dance, while I was *maybe* getting into the NIT. So, I wasn't even getting considered for a move up, and they haven't been able to move up to Level 2. I got lucky the last season in that they went 8-6 in conference play, and lost in the conference tourney.

So, I applied the update in the 2023 season, and it still took 'til 2036 to move up, primarily because of Southern Utah. (The three losing seasons I had during that stretch didn't help me either. In fact, in two of the three times that I wasn't the best Indy during since the patch, Southern Utah also didn't win their conference. I think I would have moved up in 2025--two years after the patch--if I had won it then. Instead, I went 13-16.

[Franklinnoble]

There was a bug that had a particularly nasty effect on a team like SkyDog's that kept him from raising his prestige properly. Soon after HR fixed it, it looks like things went a lot better.
So SD's career here was pre-patch, I assume?

[Ben E Lou]

So SD's career here was pre-patch, I assume?Up to 2023. Read my post above for the details of why, beyond the bug, I didn't move up sooner. The lack of an automatic NCAA bid really hurts the chances of an Indy moving up (as it should, imho).

[Franklinnoble]

Not just that, but it is definitely more difficult to gain prestige as an Indy, and the reason is simple and logical: no automatic NCAA bid for the champ. Only the highest-prestige Conference champ at each level is considered for a move up. and Southern Utah was winning the MCC virtually every season. With every MCC Tourney win, they were getting into the Big Dance, while I was *maybe* getting into the NIT. So, I wasn't even getting considered for a move up, and they haven't been able to move up to Level 2. I got lucky the last season in that they went 8-6 in conference play, and lost in the conference tourney.

So, I applied the update in the 2023 season, and it still took 'til 2036 to move up, primarily because of Southern Utah. (The three losing seasons I had during that stretch didn't help me either. In fact, in two of the three times that I wasn't the best Indy during since the patch, Southern Utah also didn't win their conference. I think I would have moved up in 2025--two years after the patch--if I had won it then. Instead, I went 13-16.
So do you expect to move up more quickly now that you're in a "real" conference?

[Ben E Lou]

So do you expect to move up more quickly now that you're in a "real" conference?In general, I'd say it has *got* to be easier, although I read somewhere that there may be a "cap" on how high a smaller school can go. Also, in looking around at the Level two and three conferences, things look good as far as Level 2 goes: I have higher prestige than every Level 2 conference winner from last season. Getting 10 points above a Level three loser from the Southeast could happen soon. I need South Alabama (29) or Florida International (32) to finish last in the Sun Belt soon in the same year that I win the Southern. Apart from those two, it looks like just about every southeastern Level 3 school has prestige in the 50's or 60's. Wiht a little luck, I could be in the Sun Belt pretty quickly, or so it would appear.

[spleen1015]

I need to get this game. Maybe tonight.

[Ben E Lou]

I need to get this game. Maybe tonight.Yes, you do. Tonight.


It has a full-featured demo too. ;)

[Peregrine]

Spleen, grab the demo if you want, it's the full game and you can play it for three days. Trust me, you'll be buying it before the three days are up.

[Franklinnoble]

In general, I'd say it has *got* to be easier, although I read somewhere that there may be a "cap" on how high a smaller school can go. Also, in looking around at the Level two and three conferences, things look good as far as Level 2 goes: I have higher prestige than every Level 2 conference winner from last season. Getting 10 points above a Level three loser from the Southeast could happen soon. I need South Alabama (29) or Florida International (32) to finish last in the Sun Belt soon in the same year that I win the Southern. Apart from those two, it looks like just about every southeastern Level 3 school has prestige in the 50's or 60's. Wiht a little luck, I could be in the Sun Belt pretty quickly, or so it would appear.
Fascinating.

What makes a school "small?" Is it strictly a static thing, or can it grow? Is it based on enrollment, stadium size, etc?

[Ben E Lou]

Fascinating.

What makes a school "small?" Is it strictly a static thing, or can it grow? Is it based on enrollment, stadium size, etc?Don't know that one. I'm just basing that comment off of something I *think* I remember reading somewhere. Take it as such.

[Ben E Lou]

Oh...and maybe I shouldn't be so confident about a fast move up. I lost my first conference game 108-72. :(

[Ben E Lou]

Ok....this brings me to my next question....I'm considered legendary by my A.D. right now, *BUT* he expects me to win the conference. Will his impression of me start lowering before I get canned, or will it happen quickly?

[Ben E Lou]

One other comment....scheduling sure is a comparitively quick process since I'd gotten used to having to schedule 28 games every season. 12 is a snap. :)

[Ben E Lou]

Oh...and is that expectation to win the title, the tourney, or both?

[Ben E Lou]

Dola--

Yes, I've had the game since December, and have never used any team other than Savannah State. :p

[Galaril]

Can this setting be changed in the middle of a dynasty or only at the beginning.I patched an old dynasty and would like to have a little team conference movement.Is it possible or do I have to start from scratch? :confused:

[Ben E Lou]

Can this setting be changed in the middle of a dynasty or only at the beginning.I patched an old dynasty and would like to have a little team conference movement.Is it possible or do I have to start from scratch? :confused:You can change it under Tools-->League Options. I don't know if it will screw things up initially or not to change it in the middle of a dynasty. I would think that it wouldn't, especially if you just go to "Limited" movement, which is very nice, imho.

[rjolley]

SD: I believe the requirements are either win the conference or the conference tourney. I think HR adjusted that 2 or 3 patches ago. And congrats on the move into the Southern Conference.

Galaril: Yes, you can, under Tools -> League Options

[Ben E Lou]

SD: I believe the requirements are either win the conference or the conference tourney. I think HR adjusted that 2 or 3 patches ago. And congrats on the move into the Southern Conference.

Galaril: Yes, you can, under Tools -> League OptionsI assume that this doesn't count then:

2036 Southern Conference Standings
North CW CL Pct W L Pct
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Savannah State 10 6 .625 17 12 .586
Appalachian State 9 6 .600 17 10 .630
Davidson 9 6 .600 13 13 .500
East Tennessee State 7 9 .438 12 16 .429
UNC Greensboro 6 9 .400 9 16 .360
Western Carolina 5 10 .333 8 18 .308
South CW CL Pct W L Pct
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
College of Charleston 11 5 .688 15 13 .536
The Citadel 10 5 .667 15 11 .577
Wofford 10 5 .667 14 14 .500
Georgia Southern 9 6 .600 15 12 .556
Chattanooga 5 10 .333 10 16 .385
Furman 1 15 .063 2 24 .077

[rjolley]

Hmmm...I'm not sure how it works for split conferences. I would think that would work, since you won your division, but HR would have to say for sure.

(edited because I can't spell defintively)

[Calis]

Hmm, did SkyDog just pull of the nigh impossible Quintuple Dola?

Nice form. I'm even more impressed by that then the getting Savannah State promoted. :)

[Galaril]

Thanks guys for the quick response. :D

[Ben E Lou]

Hmmm...I'm not sure how it works for split conferences. I would think that would work, since you won your division, but HR would have to say for sure.

(edited because I can't spell defintively)Well, I lost in the first round of the Conference Tourney, and in moving on to the next season, my job evalation remained at "Your performance is the stuff of legends."

The goal is still listed as "Win the conference championship."

[rjolley]

I wouldn't count on staying that close, though. Get that team in gear and win the title outright. :)

[Ben E Lou]

Ooooh....Now things are getting tempting. Getting offers from schools I have actually heard of (Level 3). ;)

[Ben E Lou]

I wouldn't count on staying that close, though. Get that team in gear and win the title outright. :)I started three red shirt freshmen by the time that season was over, and two of them were named to the Freshman All American team. We should be ok the next couple of years. :D

[rjolley]

Hold out for Georgia Tech.

[HeavyReign]

Ok....this brings me to my next question....I'm considered legendary by my A.D. right now, *BUT* he expects me to win the conference. Will his impression of me start lowering before I get canned, or will it happen quickly?

It would likely be a slow fall from there depending on how close you come to the goal each year.

Oh...and is that expectation to win the title, the tourney, or both?

Either will do.

I assume that this doesn't count then

No. You would need the best record in the entire conference. Just winning your division isn't enough.

[Ben E Lou]

It would likely be a slow fall from there depending on how close you come to the goal each year.The more I learn about this game, the better it gets.

[Neuqua]

Skydog, I know you're not a huge hoops fan as it is, but is it safe to say you *really* do enjoy this game?

I love college hoops, imagine the nirvana-like state I'm in while playing.

[Buccaneer]

How's the gametime micromanagement? Or better, what do you do?

[RPI-Fan]

Gametime, you can make subs, adjust defensive matchups, defensive sets, and general settings (pace, motion, 3-pointers).

Or, you can let the computer do it, and it does just fine (see SkyDog's success - I can't imagine he's micromanaged 40 seasons already).

[Buccaneer]

Thanks RPI, my interest in this game (as in TCY) is seeing the standings, league leaders and of course, the brackets, and where my team places in each.

[digamma]

You will enjoy it then, Buc. I will occasionally "watch" one of my games, but I've never coached one in 20 seasons. I will usually check the box score after every couple of games to make sure players are generally getting the minutes I want for them.

The real enjoyment for me is following the standings, the RPI, the bubble watch. Trying to figure out if I am going to make the tournament, etc. I also enjoy watching guys move up my team records list. Right now, for example I have a guy who should break my career assist record by the end of the season--with a little luck he will end up placing pretty high on the NCAA list as well.

[MizzouRah]

Congrats SD! Next year in my Savannah St. dynasty, I'm going to have my team come full circle. I just added another 3* recruit to my ream. My freshman will be a year older! ... drool!


Todd

[finkenst]

ok.. so comparing to fof and/or tcy, how does it compare?

how about a link for us lazy people?

[Ben E Lou]

Thanks RPI, my interest in this game (as in TCY) is seeing the standings, league leaders and of course, the brackets, and where my team places in each.Buc, I have a feeling that this game is perfect for you. The out-of-game strategy controls are simple, can be set for general strategies (1 to 10 scale for about 8 different things such as Pressing, Use of 3-pointers, etc.), and have an obvious impact on game play. I have watched one or two games just out of curiosity, but haven't done so in a long time and am still having a blast.

[Ben E Lou]

Skydog, I know you're not a huge hoops fan as it is, but is it safe to say you *really* do enjoy this game?Yup.

[Ben E Lou]

ok.. so comparing to fof and/or tcy, how does it compare?

how about a link for us lazy people?I'm lazy too. Check HeavyReign's signature in this thread for the link. :D

[korme]

You lazy sons of bitches.

http://www.fbbgames.com/fbcb/

[Buccaneer]

The real enjoyment for me is following the standings, the RPI, the bubble watch. Trying to figure out if I am going to make the tournament, etc. I also enjoy watching guys move up my team records list. Right now, for example I have a guy who should break my career assist record by the end of the season--with a little luck he will end up placing pretty high on the NCAA list as well.
I can fully relate. I forgot about the RPI and bubble watch. Those, along with the standings (and the tournament), were the only thing I followed in real-life college basketball, esp the last month of the season. Except for a couple of SU guys, I can't tell you the name of any other college hoops player (except for the tall, skinny guy with the 1970s afro from Stanford - Josh Freeman? He was on the cover of TSN).

[k0ruptr]

josh childress

[spleen1015]

Just made the purchase.

There has been a lot of positive chatter about this game in this forum. Playing most of the games you guys do, knowing how you feel about them, I believe this is be a good purchase.

[Craptacular]

Ben, your system tray and quick launch bar are out of control! I hope you have over a gig of RAM.

What's that second icon in the quick launch bar for??? Could it be ...















http://www.asei35.dsl.pipex.com/hammer.gif

[Buccaneer]

512Meg...

and you oughta see my desktop ;)
NOOOO, please. His desktop is a collosal nightmare. :)

Seriously, you have way too much stuff loading into your System Tray (thus holding resident in your RAM).

[Ben E Lou]

Seriously, you have way too much stuff loading into your System Tray (thus holding resident in your RAM).I usually get rid of all that stuff. That was on the laptop. I had been playing at my house, and had to go to the office yesterday evening. I just booted up and made the screenie for y'all from there. I get rid of most of that stuff when I'm playing a text sim, but leave it there when I'm doing less RAM-intensive stuff.

[Ben E Lou]

Heh. I just got offered a Level 4 team: Michigan. They've dropped into the Missouri Vally Conference, and Ohio U is in the Big 10.

[Ben E Lou]

So do you expect to move up more quickly now that you're in a "real" conference?More on this...

The difference is pretty significant. Here are some post-patch prestige numbers:

First post-patch prestige (2023): 40
Max Prestige, 2023-2035 (indy years): 48
2035 Prestige: 43
2039 Prestige: 52

So, over a 13-season post-patch run as an indy, my net prestige gain was a measly 3 points, but in just four seasons (2036-2039) in the Southern Conference, it has gone up 9 points. Interestingly enough, I've only won the conference tourney once (although I've been regular season champ three times.) Plus, I bowed out in the first round of the NCAA's the year I won the conference tourney. I'm guessing that winning a more prestigious conference is making the difference.

[Ben E Lou]

Dola--

I've gotten a job offer from Providence. They're still in the Big East, but their prestige is down to 40. (Budget still pretty high: $486,875--made it tempting.) So, I guess that answers the question about getting a job offer more than one level above where you are. It can happen.

[Franklinnoble]

More on this...

The difference is pretty significant. Here are some post-patch prestige numbers:

First post-patch prestige (2023): 40
Max Prestige, 2023-2035 (indy years): 48
2035 Prestige: 43
2039 Prestige: 52

So, over a 13-season post-patch run as an indy, my net prestige gain was a measly 3 points, but in just four seasons (2036-2039) in the Southern Conference, it has gone up 9 points. Interestingly enough, I've only won the conference tourney once (although I've been regular season champ three times.) Plus, I bowed out in the first round of the NCAA's the year I won the conference tourney. I'm guessing that winning a more prestigious conference is making the difference.
Again, this is fascinating. Thanks for the info.

Are you getting paid to sell this game here? You should be... :D

[kingnebwsu]

Yes, how about it? :) I'm love reading 4 different threads about a game I might purchase. If these threads were here a month ago, I probably would have bought it already. But with Splinter Cell 2, UT 2004, and OOTP 6 going on, this is a "busy" game time :)

[Bad-example]

Worst...thread...title...ever.

[Ben E Lou]

Are you getting paid to sell this game here? You should be... :DYeah, how 'bout it, HR??? ;)

Seriously, I'm really enjoying this game. It is very good.