Sab's NFL Pick'em Game

[sabotai]

Here we go with another NFL season. Last year I did a Pick'em game for the playoffs that many seemed to have fun with, so I'll be doing it for the entire season. The rules have changed a bit.

You get 4 games per week to predict the scores of. You can pick from any game being played, except for one. Everyone must predict on the Monday Night Football game. You can pick from any of the other games for your other 3 games.

This week the MNF game is Green Bay at Carolina. Everyone must put a score prediction on this game. For the other three, pick any other NFL games. If you want to predict a Thursday game, all 4 predictions must be submitted before the game starts. For instance, the Indy vs. NE game this Thursday starts at 9 pm. If you want to predict this game, you must have your 4 picks posted by 9pm Thursday.

All picks must be made publically. At least for the regular season. When we hit the fiunal stretch (playoffs) I might consider going to PM submitting to make things more interesting. But for now, let's just do with publically (for the sake of my PM box).

Ok, now on to the scoring system.

You make a prediction

Green Bay 23
Carolina 14

For each point that you are off by, you get a point

Say the final is: Green Bay 21, Carolina 7

I was off by 2 on GB's score, and 7 on CAR's score, so I get 9 points

If you choose the wrong winner...

Say the final is Green Bay 10, Carolina 13

You get an extra 10 points. So I was off by 13 on GB's score, 1 on CAR's score plus the 10 point penelty gives me a total of 24 points for that game.

Rule change from the Playoff game
The kingfc22 rule

Regardless of win or lose, you get negative bonuses for guess scores right. If you get 1 team's score right, you get a -3 point bonus. If you happen to guess the score right for both teams, you get a -10 bonus.

Say the final is Green Bay 10, Carolina 14

I was 13 points off of the GB score, got the CAR score perfect, so that's -3, plus 10 for guessing the wrong winner, so that gives me 20 for this game (4 points better than being 1 point off).

If the final is how I guessed it, Green Bay 23, Carolina 14, then I would receive a -10 for the game.

I combine all of your points for the 4 games, lowest score wins.

EDIT:

Forgot one of the rules. If you should miss a week, you will receiv the average points * 1.5, so for example, if the average score for the week is 40 points, you'll have 60 points awarded against you for the week.

[sabotai]

There will be two scoring systems kept throughout the season.

The first, pretty straight forward, is that I will keep adding your points together, week in week out, and at the end, the lowest overall score wins that standing.

The second system will be seperate point system based on how you place each week. Here's the breakdown:

1st: 100
2nd: 60
3rd: 35
4th: 25
5th-7th: 15
8th-12th: 10
13th-18th: 5
<18th: 0

So if you get the lowest overall score for that week, you get 100 points for the second standings, if you get 2nd lowest during the week, you get 60 points, etc. etc.

This way we have two seperate ranking systems. For last year's Super Bowl, we had some pretty far out predictions because the amount of points between places was pretty large. This way we have an overall leaderboard, plus (if you're a tennis fan) a "Challenge Race" point system too.

We'll see how it works.

[sabotai]

My predictions:

MNF
Green Bay 17
Carolina 21

3 Optionals
Tampa Bay 13
Washington 14

Arizona 10
St. Louis 27

Oakland 24
Pittsburgh 10

[Radii]

woo! This was fun last year, glad to see it back :)

[Aylmar]

This looks fun:

MNF
Green Bay 10
Carolina 17

Optionals
Oakland 28
Pittsburgh 31

Indianapolis 21
New England 17

Kansas City 34
Denver 24

[Radii]

MNF:

Green Bay 10
Carolina 24


OTHERS:

Detroit 21
Chicago 14

Arizona 6
St Louis 27

Dallas 10
Minnesota 20

[JeeberD]

MNF
Green Bay 13
Carolina 20


Optionals
Baltimore 35
Cleveland 10

Tennessee 24
Miami 14

Seattle 21
New Orleans 17

This sounds like fun... :)

[Butter]

Monday Night
Green Bay 27
Carolina 20

3 others
Cincinnati 26
NY Jets 24

Baltimore 31
Cleveland 21

St. Louis 31
Arizona 17

[duckman]

MNF

Green Bay 28
Carolina 24

OTHERS

Baltimore 23
Cleveland 14

Dallas 17
Minnesota 28

Indianapolis 13
New England 20

[FrogMan]

MNF
Green Bay 14
Carolina 17

Others
Seattle 35
New Orleans 10

NY Giants 17
Philadelphia 21

Kansas City 31
Denver 21

FM

[Ryche]

MNF
Green Bay 17
Carolina 27

NY Giants 14
Philadelphia 20

Dallas 13
Minnesota 24

Kansas City 31
Denver 38

[kingfc22]

Well, since there is a rule named after me and I came in 2nd in the playoffs. I just have to play.

MNF
GB - 21
CAR - 17

OTHERS
TEN - 24
MIA - 10

DAL - 17
MIN - 31

NYG - 13
PHI - 27

[TazFTW]

MNF

Green Bay 27
Carolina 17

Others

Tennessee 31
Miami 13

Chicago 10
Detroit 24

Cleveland 10
Baltimore 27

[Solecismic]

Green Bay 21, Carolina 20

Philadelphia 27, New York Giants 3
Houston 27, San Diego 19
Tennessee 24, Miami 9

[larrymcg421]

Green Bay 27, Carolina 24

Philadelphia 20, NY Giants 10
Tennessee 17, Miami 3
Minnesota 26, Dallas 17

[tucker rocky]

MNF

GB 24 CAR 20

Others

ATL 17 SF 28
DAL 28 MINN 21
ARZ 14 STL 31

[ice4277]

Sounds fun!


Monday Night

GB 17
Car 21

Optional

Det 28
Chi 20

Bal 24
Cle 13

Ari 14
StL 34

[Jon]

Monday Night
GB 24
Carolina 17

Others:
Ten 31
Mia 21

Phil 31
NYG 14

Atl 24
SF 10

[sabotai]

bump, only a couple of hours left if you want to put a prediction on tonight's game

[cwilloughby]

MNF:
GB 24
Car 27

Others:
Oak 21
Pit 17

Ind 27
NE 24

Det 21
Chi 10

[Eaglesfan27]

Philadelphia 21
NYG 14

Carolina 21
Green Bay 14

Ind: 35
NE: 24

Tennesee 28
Miami 10

This should be a fun game this season :)

[Vince]

Sweet :)

MNF
Carolina 27
Green Bay 24

Others
San Francisco 17
Atlanta 21

Philadelphia 27
New York Giants 10

Seattle 31
New Orleans 14

I can't believe I'm picking against my own team.

[Silver Owl]

Green Bay - 17 Carolina - 24

Kansas City - 31 Denver - 21
N.Y. Giants 14 - Philadelphia - 21
San Diego - 17 Houston - 21

[duckman]

Green Bay - 17 Carolina - 24

Kansas City - 31 Denver - 21
N.Y. Giants 14 - Philadelphia - 21
San Diego - 17 Houston - 21
Somebody has a 21 fetish.

[sabotai]

So far (with less than 4 hours left), 4 people have put a prediction on tonight's IND-NE game. Here's how it stands so far.

3-1 in favor of an Indianapolis win

The average points for IND: 24
The average points for NE: 21.25

So (rounding to 21.5 for NE since there's a sizable decimal figure), the FOFC Spread on the game tonight so far is 2 1/2 points. The defending Super Bowl champs are underdogs.

[Masked]

Carolina 24 - GB 20

St Louis 27 - Arizona 10
Philadelphia 28 - N.Y. Giants 13
Baltimore 21 - Cleveland 13

[sabotai]

Predictions for IND-NE are now off. No more predictions for this game. You can still submit predicts, but not for IND-NE.

[sabotai]

For the IND-NE game

Aylmar: 3 points for IND's score (guessed 21, was 24), 10 points for NE's score(17/27), 10 points for guessing wrong winner = 23 points

duckman: 11 points for IND's score (13/24), 7 points for NE's score (20/27) = 18 points

cwilloughby: 3 points for IND's score (27/24), 3 points for NE's score (24/27), 10 points for guessing wrong winner = 16 points

Eaglesfan27: 11 points for IND's score (35/24), 3 points for NE's score (24/27), 10 points for guessing wrong winner = 24 points

[sabotai]

Bump. You have until the start of tormorrow's games to get predictions in. Obviously, the TEN-MIA game is now also off the table.

[sabotai]

Stats for the TEN-MIA game

7 people predicted for the game, all with Tennessee winning. The average Tennessee score was about 25.5 points, and the average Miami score was about 11.5 points. A point spread of 14 points.

JeeberD: 7 points for TEN's score (24 predicted/17 actual), 7 points for MIA's score (14/7) = 14 points

kingfc22: 7 points for TEN's score (24/17), 3 points for MIA's score (10/7) = 10 points

TazFTW: 14 points for TEN's score (31/17), 6 points for MIA's score (13/7) = 20 points

Solecismic: 7 points for TEN's score (24/17), 2 points for MIA's score (9/7) = 9 points

larrymcg421: -3 points for TEN's score (17/17 perfect predict), 4 points for MIA's score (3/7) = 1 point (nicely done)

Jon: 14 points for TEN's score (31/17), 14 points for MIA's score (21/7) = 28 points

Eaglesfan27: 11 points for TEN's score (28/17), 3 points for MIA's score (10/7) = 14 points

[sabotai]

Stats for the Arizone - St. Louis game

6 People predicted this game, 6 had St. Louis winning. Arizona's average score was 12, with St. Louis having an average of 29.5 points. A point spread of 17.5 points. (It should be noted that I'm rounding the averages to the closest half point.)

sabotai : -3 points for ARI's score (10 predicted/10 actual perfect predict), 10 points for STL's score (27/17) = 7 points

Radii : 4 points for ARI's score (6/10), 10 points for STL's score (27/17) = 14 points

Butter of 69: 7 points for ARI's score (17/10), 14 points for STL's score (31/17) = 21 points

the recently suspended tucker rocky: 4 points for ARI's score (14/10), 14 points for STL's score (31/17) = 18 points

ice4277: 4 points for ARI's score (14/10), 17 points for STL's score (34/17) = 21 points

Masked: -3 points for ARI's score (10/10), 10 points for STL's score (27/17) = 7 points

[sabotai]

Stats for the Cincinnati - New York Jets game

Only 1 person predicted for this game, Butter of 69.

Butter of 69: 2 points for CIN's score (26/24), 7 points for NYJ's score (24/31), 10 points for predicting the wrong winner = 19 points

[sabotai]

Stats for the San Diego - Houston game

2 people predicted this game, both with Houston winning. San Diego had an average of 18 points, and Houston had a 24 point average. A point spread of 6.

Solecismic: 8 points for SD's score (19 predicted/27 actual), 7 points for HOU's score (27/20), 10 points for predicting the wrong winner = 25 points

SilverOwl: 10 points for SD's score (17/27), 1 point for HOU's score (21/20), 10 points for predicting the wrong winner = 22 points

[sabotai]

Stats for the Tampa Bay - Washington game

Just one person predicting this game, sabotai

sabotai: 3 points for TB's score (13/10), 2 points for WAS's score (14/16) = 5 points

[Vince]

Stats for the Arizone - St. Louis game

7 People predicted this game, 6 had St. Louis winning (Vince the only one picking Arizona to win). Arizona's average score was 13, with St. Louis having an average of 27.5 points. A point spread of 14.5 points. (It should be noted that I'm rounding the averages to the closest half point.)

Vince: 11 points for ARI's score (21/10), -3 points for STL's score (17/17 perfect predict), 10 points for predicting the wrong winner = 18 points

Hm. I didn't predict for this game.

MNF
Carolina 27
Green Bay 24

Others
San Francisco 17
Atlanta 21

Philadelphia 27
New York Giants 10

Seattle 31
New Orleans 14

[sabotai]

Stats for the Dallas - Minnesota game

6 people predicted this game, 5 with Minnesota winning (tucker rocky the only one with Dallas winning). 17 was the average score for Dallas and Minnesota gets an average score of 25 points. A point spread of 8.

Radii: 7 points for DAL's score (10/17), 15 points for MIN's score = 22 points

duckman: -3 points for DAL's score (17/17), 7 points for MIN's score = 4 pojnts

Ryche: 4 points for DAL's score (13/17), 11 points for MIN's score = 15 points

kingfc22: -3 points for DAL's score (17/17), 4 points for MIN's score = 1 points

larrymcg421: -3 points for DAL's score (17/17), 9 points for MIN's score = 6 points

tucker rocky: 11 points for DAL's score (28/17), 14 points for MIN's score, 10 points for predicting the wrong winner = 35 points

[sabotai]

Hm. I didn't predict for this game.

Uh Oh. I'll check it out to see where I goofed. Well, I accidently put your Atlanta-SF predict in for Ari-Stl. Fixed it.

[Vince]

I was looking through, and in my cursory look I couldn't see who you might have confused me with. Not sure if anyone picked St. Louis to lose.

[sabotai]

Stats for the Baltimore - Cleveland game

6 people predicted for this game, all predicting a Baltimore victory. Baltimore had a 27 point average with Cleveland having a 13.5 average. A point spread of 13.5 points.

JeeberD: 32 points for BAL's score (35 predicted/3 actual), 10 points for CLE's score, 10 points for predicting the wrong winner = 52 points

Butter of 69: 28 points for BAL's score (31/3), 1 point for CLE's score (21/20), 10 points for wrong winner = 39 points

duckman: 20 points for BAL's score (23/3), 6 points for CLE's score (14/20), 10 points for wrong winner = 36 points

TazFTW: 24 points for BAL's score (27/3), 10 points for CLE's score (10/20), 10 points for wrong winner = 44 points

ice4277: 21 points for BAL's score (24/3), 7 points for CLE's score (13/20), 10 points for wrong winner = 38 points

Masked: 18 points for BAL's score (21/3), 7 points for CLE's score (13/20), 10 points for wrong winner = 35 points

This game hurt a lot of people.

[sabotai]

Stats for the Detroit - Chicago game

4 people predicted for this game, all 4 going with Detroit. 23.5 was Detroit's average score with Chicago having an average of 13.5, a point spread of 10 points

Radii: 1 point for DET's score (21/20), 2 points for CHI's score (14/16) = 3 points

TazFTW: 4 points for DET's score (24/20), 6 points for CHI's score (10/16) = 10 points

ice4277: 8 points for DET's score (28/20), 4 points for CHI's score (20/16) = 12 points

cwilloughby: 1 point for DET's score (21/20), 6 points for CHI's score (10/16) = 7 points

[sabotai]

Stats for the Oakland - Pittsburgh game

3 people preditced this game, 2 for OAK, 1 for PIT. Oakland's average score was 23.5 points, Pittsburgh average was 19.5, a point spread of 4 points.

sabotai: 3 points for OAK's score (24/21), 14 points for PIT's score (10/24), 10 points for wrong winner = 27 points

Aylmar: 7 points for OAK's score (28/21), 7 points for PIT's score (31/24) = 14 points

cwilloughby: -3 points for OAK's score (21/21), 7 points for PIT's score (17/24), 10 points for wrong winner = 14 points

[sabotai]

Sats for the Seattle - New Orleans game

3 predictions for this game with all 3 going with Seattle. Seattle's average score was 29 points and New Orleans' average was 13.5 giving a point spread of 15.5 points.

JeeberD: -3 points for SEA's score (21/21), 10 points for NO's score (17/7) = 7 points

FrogMan: 14 points for SEA's score (35/21), 3 points for NO's score (10/7) = 17 points

Vince: 10 points for SEA's score (31/21), 7 points for NO's score (14/7) = 17 points

[sabotai]

Stats for the Atlanta - San Fran game

3 predictions for this game, 1 for SF, 2 for Atlanta. 20.5 was the average Atlanta score, while SF's average was 18.5 points, a point spread of 2 points. (Actual final was 21-19. Point spread of the averages was spot on. :))

tucker rocky: 4 points for ATL's score (17/21), 9 points for SF's score (28/19), 10 points for wrong winner = 23 points

Jon: 3 points for ATL's score (24/21), 9 points for SF's score (10/19) = 12 points

Vince: -3 points for ATL's score (21/21), 2 points for SF's score (17/19) = -1 point

[sabotai]

Stats for the New York Giants - Philadelphia game

10 people predicted this game (the most for a non-MNF predict). All 10 going with Philly. The average NYG score was 12, Philly's average score was 24.5, a point spread of 12.5 points.

FrogMan: -3 points for NYG's score (17/17), 10 points for PHI's score (21/31) = 7 points

Ryche: 3 points for NYG's score (14/17), 11 points for PHI's score (20/31) = 14 points

kingfc22: 4 points for NYG's score (13/17), 4 points for PHI's score (27/31) = 8 points

Solecismic: 14 points for NYG's score (3/17), 4 points for PHI's score (27/31) = 18 points

larrymcg421: 7 points for NYG's score (10/17), 11 points for PHI's score (20/31) = 18 points

Jon: 3 points for NYG's score (14/17), -3 points for PHI's score (31/31) = 0 points

Eaglesfan27: 3 points for NYG's score (14/17), 10 points for PHI's score (21/31) = 13 points

Vince: 7 points for NYG's score (10/17), 4 points for PHI's score (27/31) = 11 points

SilverOwl: 3 points for NYG's score (14/17), 10 points for PHI's score (21/31) = 13 points

Masked: 4 points for NYG's score (13/17), 3 points for PHI's score (28/31) = 7 points

[sabotai]

A look at the points

So far, last year's 2nd place finisher kingfc22 is in the lead with just 19 points total, doing better than even those who have only 2 games counted so far (the 4 that predicted for the KC-DEN game).

Butter of 69 is at the bottom with 79 total points. JeeberD is 4 from the bottom (in 16th) despit 2 good predictions because of that huge 56 point showing in the Baltimore-Cleveland game. He has 73 total points.

[JeeberD]

Friggin' Cleveland... :mad:

[kingfc22]

Woot. Nice to start the season off strong.

[sabotai]

Stats for the Kansas City - Denver game

4 people predicted this game, 3 had KC winning. The average KC score was 31.5 and the average Denver score was 26, giving KC a 5.5 point spread.

Aylmar: 10 points for KC's score (34 predict/24 actual), 10 points for DEN's score (24/34), 10 points for wrong winner = 30 points

FrogMan: 7 points for KC's score (31/24), 13 for DEN's score (21/34), 10 points for wrong winner = 30 points

Ryche: 7 points for KC's score (31/24), 4 points for DEN's score (38/34) = 11 points

SilverOwl: 7 points for KC's score (31/24), 13 points for DEN's score (21/34), 10 points for wrong winner = 30 points

[sabotai]

Overall Score Thus Far (1 Game Left For This Week, The MNF Game)


kingfc22 19
larrymcg421 25
Vince 27
cwilloughby 37
sabotai 39
Radii 39
Ryche 40
Jon 40
Masked 49
Eaglesfan27 51
Solecismic 52
FrogMan 54
duckman 58
SilverOwl 65
Aylmar 67
ice4277 71
JeeberD 73
TazFTW 74
tucker rocky 76
Butter of 69 79

[duckman]

Damn, I need to do better.

[Butter]

A look at the points
Butter of 69 is at the bottom with 79 total points.

Yeah, thanks for making a special note on that one.
:p

[sabotai]

Not looking good for those of us who picked Carolina....

[sabotai]

Stats for the Green Bay - Carolina game

Of the 20 who predicted this week, 12 voted for a Carolina victory. Green Bay's average score was 20 while Carolina pulled in a 21.5 average score giving them a 1.5 point spread advantage.

sabotai: 7 points for GB's score (17/24), 7 points for CAR's score (21/14), 10 points for wrong winner = 24 points

Aylmar: 14 points for GB's score (10/24), 3 points for CAR's score (17/14), 10 points for wrong winner = 27 points

Radii: 14 points for GB's score (10/24), 10 points for CAR's score (24/14), 10 points for wrong winner = 34 points

JeeberD: 11 points for GB's score (13/24), 6 points for CAR's score (20/14), 10 points for wrong winner = 27 points

Butter of 69: 3 points for GB's score (27/24), 6 points for CAR's score (20/14)= 9 points

duckman: 4 points for GB's score (28/24), 10 points for CAR's score (24/14) = 14 points

FrogMan: 10 points for GB's score (14/24), 3 points for CAR's acore (17/14), 10 points for wrong winner = 23 points

Ryche: 7 points for GB's score (17/24), 13 points for CAR's score (27/14), 10 points for wrong winner = 30 points

kingfc22: 3 points for GB's score (21/24), 3 points for CAR's score (17/14) = 6 points

TazFTW: 3 points for GB's score (27/24), 3 points for CAR's score (17/14) = 6 points

Solecismic: 3 points for GB's score (21/24), 6 points for CAR's score (20/14) = 9 points

larrymcg421: 3 points for GB's score (27/24), 10 points for CAR's score (24/14) = 13 points

tucker rocky: -3 points for GB's score (24/24), 6 points for CAR's score (20/14) = 3 points

ice4277: 7 points for GB's score (17/24), 7 points for CAR's score (21/14), 10 points for wrong winner = 24 points

Jon: -3 points for GB's score (24/24), 3 points for CAR's score (17/14) = 0 points

cwilloughby: -3 points for GB's score (24/24), 13 points for CAR's score (27/14), 10 points for wrong winner = 20 points

Eaglesfan27: 10 points for GB's score (14/24), 7 points for CAR's score (21/14), 10 points for wrong winner = 27 points

Vince: -3 points for GB's score (24/24), 13 points for CAR's score (27/14), 10 points for wrong winner =20 points

SilverOwl: 7 points for GB's score (17/24), 10 points for CAR's score (24/14), 10 points for wrong winner = 27 points

Masked: 4 points for GB's score (20/24), 10 points for CAR's score (24/14), 10 points for wrong winner = 24 points.

[sabotai]

Overall Points In Week 1


1. kingfc22 25
2. larrymcg421 38
3. Jon 40
4. Vince 47
5. cwilloughby 57
6. Solecismic 61
7. sabotai 63
8. Ryche 70
9. duckman 72
10. Radii 73
10. Masked 73
12. FrogMan 77
13. Eaglesfan27 78
14. tucker rocky 79
15. TazFTW 80
16. Butter of 69 88
17. SilverOwl 92
18. Aylmar 94
19. ice4277 95
20. JeeberD 100

[sabotai]

Challenge Points Awarded in Week 1


1. kingfc22 100
2. larrymcg421 60
3. Jon 35
4. Vince 25
5. cwilloughby 15
6. Solecismic 15
7. sabotai 15
8. Ryche 10
9. duckman 10
10. Radii 10
10. Masked 10
12. FrogMan 10
13. Eaglesfan27 5
14. tucker rocky 5
15. TazFTW 5
16. Butter of 69 5
17. SilverOwl 5
18. Aylmar 5
19. ice4277 0
20. JeeberD 0

[Vince]

Damn Carolina not showing up. When I looked up and saw GB's points in the middle of the 4th I was stoked...then I realized that Carolina only had 10. Ah well...pretty good start, all things considered.

[sabotai]

Some Observations

kingfc22 must have a crystal ball or something. Our 2nd place finisher from last year continues to get close with his predictions. THe most points he received on a single game was 10 (8, 6, 1 were his other scores).

Last year's winner, SilverOwl, is off to a rocky start as he finishes 17th this week. Don't worry, it's a long season.

Jon pulls off two zero point games to get him into 3rd place.

Vince has this week's best single prediction getting a -1 on his ATL-SF prediction.

JeeberD was unfortunate enough to suffer the week's worst single prediction, gaining 52 points (4 people finished the week under this score) on the BAL-CLE game. That was enough to push him down to last.

Butter of 69 was down in last but a good showing in the MNF game pushed him up to 16th. TazFTW and tucker rocky also had good showings in the MNF game to push them up a few spots.

[sabotai]

Damn Carolina not showing up. When I looked up and saw GB's points in the middle of the 4th I was stoked...then I realized that Carolina only had 10. Ah well...pretty good start, all things considered.

Yeah, I know. When it was 17-7 I thought all Carolina needed to do was show up and score two TDs. Then I'd be golden. But I dropped from 5th to 7th by 2 points to Jim because of this game.

[kingfc22]

I would say that I got off to a good start this week. :)

Hope I can do it 16 more times.

[JeeberD]

Wow, I really suck at this game...

[sabotai]

Wow, I really suck at this game...

Not really. If your BAL-CLE score had been half of what it was, you'd have scored in the 70's.

[Radii]

Dropped 4 spots with the single worst prediction on the Carolina/Green Bay game. Damn :( thank goodness I got so close w/ detroit/chicago to help save me a little bit. I don't think I'll be picking any more panthers game when I don't have to :) My judgement is clearly clouded with them.

[ice4277]

Wow, I really suck at this game...
If it makes you feel any better, I only suck 5% less than you do.

[Vince]

Some Observations
...
Vince has this week's best single prediction getting a -1 on his ATL-SF prediction.
...
Of course, I have to get the game where I predicted my favorite team to lose correct. Grrr...