Werewolf IV - River of Darkness

[Desnudo]

Well we've got at least magicians and werewolves definitely right? That means at least two good sides to counteract the two bad. Maybe knights and something magical? The thing is that knights vs. magicians or werewolves doesn't really sound right.

I would think it would be hunters and some sort of counter-magic group. So maybe you have a third set with knights vs. heathens, or whatever the counterpart would be.

[SirFozzie]

I just don't get what lathum would get out of being so adamant of people's guilt, so quickly in the game. If he's right, he's obviously their #1 target, and will be quickly out of the game.

If he's mistaken or wrong, he's got the Airhog thing down. He will be lynched just because he's costing us valuable people.

[Airhog]

I unvote lathum.
I vote King

[Desnudo]

Except Airhog didn't get lynched last game. :) Maybe he figures the stakes are worth it. Or maybe someone can protect him.

[Barkeep49]

Well really Lathum's play is a good deal smarter than Airhogs. After all we won't know whether he's right or wrong, will we? So if for whatever reason he's not eaten tonight (whether he is a wolf, the wolf have a different target, or he is protected) we really won't know what it means will we?

[kingfc22]

UNVOTE SIRFOZZZIE


VOTE EAGLES

[kingfc22]

what's up with the ambush of this new villager in town.

[SirFozzie]

just thought of something,

Peregrine stated that there would be minor and major victories for some groups. Could the knights be a force from the church that wins a minor victory if us villagers survive, but wins a major victory if they win AND all magicians in the village are eliminated?

The magician would definitely see that as evil..

[Airhog]

unvote king
vote Eaglesfan27

[Swaggs]

I guess that Airhog is a "chaotic" ghost? :)

[SirFozzie]

and we wait for Peregrine..

[ntndeacon]

He is here.So it won't be too long.

[Peregrine]

In the final vote, the chaotic ghost of Airhog turns the tide:

Eaglesfan27 (6) - Tigercat, Barkeep49, Fouts, Qwikshot, Kingfc22, Airhog
Sirfozzie (2) - Eaglesfan27, Kwhit
Kingfc22 (5) - Lathum, BrianD, Jeff061, Desnudo, SirFozzie
Swaggs (2) - TazFTW, ntndeacon
TazFTW (2) - Swaggs, Fonzie

At least everyone voted this time.

In a chaotic vote with several people named, it seemed that kingfc22 was done for, however a last minute shift left eaglesfan holding the short straw. He was violent in trying to elude the lynch, striking several and claiming loudly that he was a villager, but in the end he was brought down and hung on the tavern porch.

Night 2

Eaglesfan27 - Lynched Day 2
ntndeacon - killed Night 1
BrianD
Airhog - Lynched Day 1
TazFTW
Desnudo
Fonzie
Qwikshot
Jeff061
SirFozzie
Barkeep49
kingfc22
Swaggs
Kwhit
Fouts
Tigercat
Lathum

Have your night actions in by midnight please.

[Swaggs]

I'm pretty sure I don't like the roles not being revealed.

[Airhog]

*evil cackling from beyond the grave*

[SirFozzie]

I'm pretty sure I don't like the roles not being revealed.


yeah, I don't either. Instead of us having evidence of what works or not, we're blindly flailing in the dark. It makes a villager game more of a crapshoot then a reasoned deduction.

[ntndeacon]

wow. I thought it was tied. It seems being a ghost makes you unable to count.

[Desnudo]

I'll repeat again that I don't think Eaglesfan was a wolf and anyone who voted for him did so without any cause whatsoever. At least in King's case we have a definite commitment from Lathum, for better or worse. I would also have put forward Taz as having more evidence against him than Eagles. Oh well, it's certainly possible that magicians and wolves had merged interests on this one.

[Barkeep49]

Well the ghosts certainly have made things interesting. The no role revelation does add a whole new layer to the game. Perhaps there are hints in Pergines description that we're missing?

[Desnudo]

And if ghosts could talk, I would dearly love to ask Airhog what he's doing. :)

[TazFTW]

Just want to respond to something. If it is widely believed that ntndeacon is a knight (the sword thing in his death) and he votes with me, would that not be a statement to my goodness?

And the people that voted against me are thereby bad?

[BrianD]

Was Airhog's move chaotic, or was there some specific reason for the change?

[Desnudo]

Actually, I was under the impression that it was believed that deacon was bad.

[kingfc22]

I just find it interesting that Taz and Swaggs just voted for each other as if they were throw away votes. Why not pile on Eagles or myself who were the two high vote getters? Kind of suspicous if you ask me.

[TazFTW]

Actually, I was under the impression that it was believed that deacon was bad.
So the reason he would have a sword is?

Werewolves use swords?
Magicians?
Knights?

[Tigercat]

Just want to respond to something. If it is widely believed that ntndeacon is a knight (the sword thing in his death) and he votes with me, would that not be a statement to my goodness?

And the people that voted against me are thereby bad?

Yea but first he voted for me and then he switched it to someone else. After implying that he knew who killed him. At best hes a chaotic crazyassed ghost, at worse hes something that can be trusted even less. I would bet on Airhog being a knight before ntndeacon, even if the sword thing was a little peculiar.

As far as the lynching, Lathum and his accused can still be held accountable in the future, and now with time we can better figure out the truth, rather than running around blindly while Lathum calls "Polo."

[Desnudo]

So the reason he would have a sword is?

Werewolves use swords?
Magicians?
Knights?

You know all the roles that are in the game? Please, do tell. A sword is a tool, for good or for evil.

[kingfc22]

So the reason he would have a sword is?

Werewolves use swords?
Magicians?
Knights?
Good pt.

Why would a werewolf or a magician need a sword, especially when there are knights around who DO use them?

[Desnudo]

It's not a good point.

How do you know there aren't other bad guys in the game that do use swords? Don't get caught up in the "only must be magicians and werewolves" idea since Peregrine clearly stated there are other factions. I think everyone is reading way too much into the sword left. Look at actions.

[BrianD]

A ghost voting for someone from the good side? That makes no sense to me, especially since I can't see Peregrine revealing to the ghosts who killed them when they can vote in this game. Unless NTN is a chaotic voting ghost I think we got lucky, and despite his sword, a badguy was killed.

You are %100 correct



I'm still not sure if Lathum knows somehting or was guessing here.

[Swaggs]

Plus, look at the description of the ghosts in the rules.

There is someone, who is still living, that has a relationship with the ghosts. Only the dead know what they are able to do (or not do), but, in my opinion, the master of the ghosts is not a positive role. Having 2+ chaotic ghosts cannot be a good thing.

[TazFTW]

Look at actions.
Okay, let's look at your actions. You vote for Airhog, switch to Kevin, and then tried to switch to Eaglesfan to cause the tie (which would have resulted in the death of either Airhog or Eaglesfan).

You then voted for SirFozzie and then switched again to king (the new Kevin).

and then you say,

I'll repeat again that I don't think Eaglesfan was a wolf and anyone who voted for him did so without any cause whatsoever.
So the question is Senetor Kerry, why did you try to vote for Eaglesfan the first time when you did not think there was any cause to do so?

[Tigercat]

We've only had 2 nights, how much of a concidence would it be for lathum to be the seer and the one guy he chose to view in the first two nights is the one guy that was killed? Its possible, I suppose, but I just assumed that Lathum was agreeing with me that it seemed unlikely that Peregrine was telling ghosts who killed them.

As far as the ghosts, who knows what the roles of whoever has a role with them is. How many people have a role that involves the ghosts? Can any of those people control the ghosts? Talk with them? All that is really told to us is that while one(and perhaps the only) of the ghost persons is alive the ghosts can vote. It could be that that person could only allow for that. I agree though, if there is a ghost person that can control the ghosts the ghost behavior would seemingly put that person in a negative role right now. It does sound like possible Magician role(s), only who knows what the magicians are really all about.

[Swaggs]

Okay, let's look at your actions. You vote for Airhog, switch to Kevin, and then tried to switch to Eaglesfan to cause the tie (which would have resulted in the death of either Airhog or Eaglesfan).

You then voted for SirFozzie and then switched again to king (the new Kevin).

and then you say,


So the question is Senetor Kerry, why did you try to vote for Eaglesfan the first time when you did not think there was any cause to do so?

You're wrong.

As per the rules: If there is a tie in the lynch voting, there will not be a lynch that day.

[TazFTW]

You're wrong.

As per the rules: If there is a tie in the lynch voting, there will not be a lynch that day.
Crap, another rule change.

[Barkeep49]

It was actually a change from the middle of last game. Becareful about ties. I nearly caused a tie trying to protect a person who was indeed innocent and it eventaully caused me to be lynched.

[TazFTW]

It was actually a change from the middle of last game. Becareful about ties. I nearly caused a tie trying to protect a person who was indeed innocent and it eventaully caused me to be lynched.
That would probably explain why I never saw it in the second game as I was lynched 2nd and had a passing interest the rest of the way.

[TazFTW]

dola

Then wouldn't it be advantageous for the wolves (bad guys) to try to get ties in the lynch vote because then no one gets lynched and then the wolves can eat without reprecussion.

[jeff061]

Eventually yeah, the idea is early in the game we just don't have enough iformation and therefor an innocent is almost guarenteed to be lynched. So if there is a tie the first round it gives us an extra day to make a more informed decision.

[Lathum]

OK, just in case I am killed tonight. I am possitive King is evil, that combined with Airhog's last minute switch makes me suspiscous of both of them.

If I am killed tonight you know where to go.

[SirFozzie]

Airhog's you know.. already dead?

[Lathum]

Airhog's you know.. already dead?
so, he can still vote in the future.

[Desnudo]

After reading through the Ghost role, I'm wondering how much control they have over their votes. It sounds like they could have a predetermined behaviour assigned to them.

[Lathum]

After reading through the Ghost role, I'm wondering how much control they have over their votes. It sounds like they could have a predetermined behaviour assigned to them.
what would be the point?

[JeeberD]

Lathum's grumpy. Rough flight?

[Lathum]

Lathum's grumpy. Rough flight?
shutup, rough 2 weeks in the box? :mad:

[Fonzie]

Now, now you two. Let's play nice.

[JeeberD]

shutup, rough 2 weeks in the box? :mad:

:eek:

He musta got stuck between two fat women who hadn't showered in a week...

[Airhog]

*wails and moans*

[Fonzie]

*wails and moans*
In death did you, by chance, transmogrify into one of HA's hoagies?

[Lathum]

:eek:

He musta got stuck between two fat women who hadn't showered in a week...
yeah, in a booth at olive garden, and they kept ordering salad and breadsticks from some goofy looking waiter who looked like he had withdrawl symptoms. Now go back to your own game.

BTW, I fly first class, I work for a real restaurant company. :D

[Desnudo]

Are you working on the PDiddy uniform redesign?

[Desnudo]

what would be the point?

To add an element of uncertainity? I'm just musing on what I read.

[Lathum]

Are you working on the PDiddy uniform redesign?
umm. no.

[Desnudo]

I guess I failed in a cross-thread joke

http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~fof/forums/showthread.php?t=40458

[JeeberD]

You work for Friday's, don't you? And you call that a real restaurant?!?!?

[Lathum]

You work for Friday's, don't you? And you call that a real restaurant?!?!?
No, but I still fly first class :D

[JeeberD]

Sigh...you need to get me a corporate job, Lathum. I'm tired of this serving bullshit...

Or maybe I should just finish up with school and get my ass a job in a hospital. Either/or... ;)

[Lathum]

Sigh...you need to get me a corporate job, Lathum. I'm tired of this serving bullshit...

Or maybe I should just finish up with school and get my ass a job in a hospital. Either/or... ;)
hmmmm, a second ago you are making fun of me now you want my help?

[JeeberD]

Where was I making fun of you? :D

[Lathum]

Only Jeebs could threadjack a game of werewolf

[Swaggs]

You two need to get a room.

[Fonzie]

Only Jeebs could threadjack a game of werewolf
Let's lynch JeeberD! Who's with me?!

[JeeberD]

Grumpy Gus there started it...

[Barkeep49]

Ok just to recap the vote counts of players not playing the game:

NoMyths 1 (Swaggs)
Jeeber 1 (Fonzie)

I think this clearly shows that Fonzie is a werewolf because NoMyths admitted to being a wolf and yet he votes for someone else...

[ntndeacon]

You have to admit it is fun to say Let's Lynch Jeeber!

[Peregrine]

The rains slack off in the evening and by night the clouds have parted, revealing an impressive array of stars for those that are out late at night. The night air is still for the most part, though there is a brief commotion early on, but nothing like the screams of last night. Towards the morning though, the village is awakened by the sound of metal clanging - the fire alarm! Everyone jumps out of bed and rushes out to find one house on fire, though with the wet wood the fire spreads slowly and is soon put out. Unfortunately, the charred body of Lathum is found inside. Strange, though, the fire seems to have come from his body OUT to the rest of the house, though that can't be, can it? The village is taking in this tragedy when another shout goes up from the other side of the church. Another body has been found, but kingfc22's is torn apart like the others have been, and his house ransacked. A hush falls over the village, there is more going on here than many suspected, it seems.


Day 3

Eaglesfan27 - Lynched Day 2
ntndeacon - killed Night 1
BrianD
Airhog - Lynched Day 1
TazFTW
Desnudo
Fonzie
Qwikshot
Jeff061
SirFozzie
Barkeep49
kingfc22 - killed on Night 2
Swaggs
Kwhit
Fouts
Tigercat
Lathum - killed on Night 2

Voting ends by 8 pm Eastern. Ghosts may vote today.

[NoMyths]

Ok just to recap the vote counts of players not playing the game:

NoMyths 1 (Swaggs)
Jeeber 1 (Fonzie)

I think this clearly shows that Fonzie is a werewolf because NoMyths admitted to being a wolf and yet he votes for someone else...And I don't even remember voting! This game is more cryptic than I thought. :p

[ntndeacon]

Welcome to the land of the Dead Lathum and King.

[TazFTW]

Hmmm, so it looks like Lathum was killed by the magicians but while kingfc22 was torn apart like werewolf attack, I find the comment about the house being ransacked odd. Another faction?

Of course Lathum could have had a role that enabled him to kill someone before his death. Like a version of the hunter.

After going through the posts, I've also noticed that Lathum was indeed a good guy. Can't believe I didn't see that, freakin' sleep deprevation. :mad:

[kingfc22]

:(

[jeff061]

Shaddup you evil magi ;).

Possible that wolves are fighting against the mages as well and used Lathum's post to pin King? If that's the case though, then one of the fations do not get to kill every night.

[Eaglesfan27]

Darn. I got home from work yesterday and my power was still out. It came on around 3:30 AM (After being out 26 hours from Tropical Storm Cindy) and I wake to find I'm dead.

I won't say game related at this point to respect the rules of the game.

[Lathum]

grrrrrrrr

I knew that one was coming.

Off to Phoenix

[jeff061]

I was hoping someone in a bodyguard type role would protect Lathum, which is the only reason I mentioned you would be a big target. Wonder if one exists, if it does you failed ;).

[BrianD]

So now we've got magicians killing people too? Wonderful. Apparently the wolves weren't enough for us to worry about.

[Barkeep49]

Well last night's events are most disturbing, most disturbing indeed. I agree that the bodyguard, if there is one, failed last night.

But my question is this: Wasn't lathum trying just a bit TOO hard to get killed? I mean he came out so sure of himself and who he was flinging accusations against, without any sort of corroborating evidence. I think the theory that he was the hunter figure makes the most sense. The wolves/mages (it would seem that the mages did this, so what the heck did the wolves do last night? Lick their paws? Can only one faction kill a night) targeted Lathum and Lathum took out the person he "knew", for whatever reason, to be guilty.

[jeff061]

Maybe. I am however putting a lot of stock into the writeups.

but kingfc22's is torn apart like the others have been

I think a wolf did it. I believe Lathum was an innocent, not sure his role.

[Barkeep49]

Maybe. I am however putting a lot of stock into the writeups.



I think a wolf did it. I believe Lathum was an innocent, not sure his role.
I missed the like the others have been part. And I agree about putting a lot of stock into the writeups.

[Peregrine]

I know you guys have less to go on with no roles being revealed in this game. I'm hoping though that you'll gradually be able to build a picture of what's happening, it will just take a bit longer.

[jeff061]

That's what I am thinking. A story and situation is being built and unveiled every night.

[Lathum]

I Vote Barkeep

[BrianD]

So what do we know so far?

*ntndeacon had a sword on him when he died.
*Lathum called ntndeacon evil
*Lathum called King evil
*Lathum got burned probably for calling out King
*King got killed probably by wolves

Having a sword makes ntndeacon look like a knight. Was he a knight? Was he evil like Lathum said? Did the sword not make him a knight, but a mage instead? A mage with a sword still seems odd.

I'm guessing the mages set Lathum on fire since that seems spell-like. Does that mean Lathum was a knight and was fighting the mages?

The wolves probably killed King who was identified as evil by Lathum. Are the wolves working with the knights? Do they just have a common enemy?

What is going on?

[weinstein7]

This is the single most confused post I've ever read :)

Poor Brian sounds like he's on the verge of a nervous breakdown.

[Desnudo]

So what do we know so far?

*ntndeacon had a sword on him when he died.
*Lathum called ntndeacon evil
*Lathum called King evil
*Lathum got burned probably for calling out King
*King got killed probably by wolves

Having a sword makes ntndeacon look like a knight. Was he a knight? Was he evil like Lathum said? Did the sword not make him a knight, but a mage instead? A mage with a sword still seems odd.

I'm guessing the mages set Lathum on fire since that seems spell-like. Does that mean Lathum was a knight and was fighting the mages?

The wolves probably killed King who was identified as evil by Lathum. Are the wolves working with the knights? Do they just have a common enemy?

What is going on?

NTNDeacon was not a knight in my opinion. I would like to point out again to please consider that there may be other evil roles besides werewolves and magicians. Just like we had a cultist last game, that faction may exist again in this game. I'll keep saying it until I'm blue in the face, but a sword is only a tool.

[BrianD]

NTNDeacon was not a knight in my opinion. I would like to point out again to please consider that there may be other evil roles besides werewolves and magicians. Just like we had a cultist last game, that faction may exist again in this game. I'll keep saying it until I'm blue in the face, but a sword is only a tool.

I agree with you...mostly because I believe Lathum when he called ntndeacon evil. I am a bit hung up on the sword-knight connection, but that could just be a red herring.

[ntndeacon]

I vote KWhit

[Lathum]

LOL, us ghosts are voting early. Where's airhog?

[KWhit]

I vote KWhit
Shut up ghostie.

[Desnudo]

Good stuff. I'm really enjoying the ghosts.

[Lathum]

Good stuff. I'm really enjoying the ghosts.
wait untill you become one you bastard

[Desnudo]

I'm not really enjoying the ghosts as much anymore.

[ntndeacon]

wait untill you become one you bastard
yea living people suck. Go Ghosts!

[Desnudo]

Here are my first thoughts on what happened last night:

Lathum was good. He was blasted by the magicians because he could see evil doers, passively or actively. Kingfc was an evil doer who was eaten by wolves in an attempt to frame Lathum, whom they believed to be some sort of seer; frame him rather than eat him in order to deflect attention from the real wolves. I'm guessing that the wolves had no idea that the magicians would blast him.

[Barkeep49]

Hey Desnudo I am starting a little "I hate Spirits" club for our village. Would you like to join?

[Lathum]

Hey Desnudo I am starting a little "I hate Spirits" club for our village. Would you like to join?
Does anyone else find it odd that someone named barkeep would start an "I hate spirits" club?

[BrianD]

Here are my first thoughts on what happened last night:

Lathum was good. He was blasted by the magicians because he could see evil doers, passively or actively. Kingfc was an evil doer who was eaten by wolves in an attempt to frame Lathum, whom they believed to be some sort of seer; frame him rather than eat him in order to deflect attention from the real wolves. I'm guessing that the wolves had no idea that the magicians would blast him.

Very possible, but do you think Lathum really needed to be framed? It was pretty obvious that he had some kind of sight and he had put a pretty big target on himself. I'm guessing that nobody knew the mages could blast him, but I would think that he would be a target for them.

[Desnudo]

I think it was an opportunity to sow confusion and they took it. If King gets eaten and Lathum lives, he gets lynched the next day since everyone would have thought he was a wolf. Then attention gets focused on people that followed his lead. What they didn't count on was him dying on the same night.

[Desnudo]

Hey Desnudo I am starting a little "I hate Spirits" club for our village. Would you like to join?

That sounds like a good way to get ghosts to vote for you, so I think I'll pass. ;)

[BrianD]

I think it was an opportunity to sow confusion and they took it. If King gets eaten and Lathum lives, he gets lynched the next day since everyone would have thought he was a wolf. Then attention gets focused on people that followed his lead. What they didn't count on was him dying on the same night.

Yes, that does make sense.

[BrianD]

dola

I'm out of the office for a few hours, back around 6EST.

[Swaggs]

I think we can safely say that King was not a werewolf and was killed by werewolfs. RIP King.

Lathum's death is a little more disturbing to me, because it opens up an entire new set of questions.

Did his role enable him to kill himself by immolation (possibly taking an attacker with him, if he would have been attacked)? Doubtful, but not completely out of the question, since we don't know all of the roles.

Did his role force him to kill himself up? Like, did he have to burn up all of his powers to "out" King?

Is there another character out there that has the ability to kill someone, by fire, if another person gets onto their trail? I think this is the most likely scenario. Something like the Hunter or Brutal Wolf, one of the magicians can do a one-time kill possibly (hopefully just one-time). We probably cannot ever know if King was that magician, but it would seem that he or one of his brethren have that power.

Finally, how many factions are we dealing with here? No idea, but I'm certainly curious. We can assume wolves, since people have died in the typical wolf-fashion. But are the magicians good or bad (or are they trying to kill werewolves and villagers alike?).

[Fonzie]

Oh dear. And I thought I was confused before last night's events. http://dynamic.gamespy.com/%7Efof/forums/images/smilies/confused.gif

[Tigercat]

I think Lathum knew most of what he talked about, how much I'm not sure. I think he may have been wrong about King, but I have a bad feeling he knew that we wrongly went after Eaglesfan. Quiet people make me nervous in this game, and he didn't give an explanation for why he voted with us for Eaglesfan, so for now I vote for Qwikshot. (an early vote in case I get pulled away by work around the deadline)

[Desnudo]

I think we can safely say that King was not a werewolf and was killed by werewolfs. RIP King.

Lathum's death is a little more disturbing to me, because it opens up an entire new set of questions.

Did his role enable him to kill himself by immolation (possibly taking an attacker with him, if he would have been attacked)? Doubtful, but not completely out of the question, since we don't know all of the roles.

Did his role force him to kill himself up? Like, did he have to burn up all of his powers to "out" King?

Is there another character out there that has the ability to kill someone, by fire, if another person gets onto their trail? I think this is the most likely scenario. Something like the Hunter or Brutal Wolf, one of the magicians can do a one-time kill possibly (hopefully just one-time). We probably cannot ever know if King was that magician, but it would seem that he or one of his brethren have that power.

Finally, how many factions are we dealing with here? No idea, but I'm certainly curious. We can assume wolves, since people have died in the typical wolf-fashion. But are the magicians good or bad (or are they trying to kill werewolves and villagers alike?).

I wonder if the scenario works out like this:

Lathum gets zapped by King who is the dark pact magician and can imolate people. The magicians have a different agenda than the wolves, and neither is aware of the other, resulting in King getting eaten for reasons mentioned before. The sword found on deacon means that he was a dark pact bodyguard. It certainly makes sense that they would have people capable of defending the mages.

[SirFozzie]

I have no bloody clue where to go from here.

[Fouts]

It appears the only one who knows whats up is Lathum. Unless there is more info out there, I'll be going with him.

[Swaggs]

It appears the only one who knows whats up is Lathum. Unless there is more info out there, I'll be going with him.

Do we assume that he is not a chaotic ghost?

[Fouts]

Do we assume that he is not a chaotic ghost?

Good question. I guess it depends on which faction you are on. Looks to me that Lathum targeted a magician and the magicians burned him for it. At the same time, I think the wolves ate King to kill off a known bad guy (that wasn't a wolf), and make Lathum suspicious at the same time.

[TazFTW]

Are we certain that there is a role of chaotic ghost?

I figured that was put there for whenever Airhog died. :)

[KWhit]

It seems to me that we have 4 factions (but there may be more).

Werewolves: We always have werewolves and some of the kills look like wolves did it.

Magicians: Pere mentioned them in the intro to the game.

Knights: Pere mentioned them at the beginning of the game.

Villagers: Innocent bystanders.

Each faction likely has their own sub-goals. I imagine that the Knights and Villagers are allies against the Wolves and Magicians, but I'm not sure of this.

Here's what I think about each person killed so far:

Lathum - killed by Magicians
kingfc22 - killed by Werewolves
Eaglesfan27 - Lynched Day 2
ntndeacon - killed by Werewolves
Airhog - Lynched Day 1

[Desnudo]

I may not be here before the deadline, so I will vote now.

Uh, I vote Swaggs

Just a hunch. That the voting for someone not in the game could be a way to draw off suspicion.

Just want to respond to something. If it is widely believed that ntndeacon is a knight (the sword thing in his death) and he votes with me, would that not be a statement to my goodness?

And the people that voted against me are thereby bad?

I vote TazFTW

I don't like your seemingly random accusation of Swaggs. Your reasoning leaves a lot to be desired. Then later you try a little bit too hard to use deacon's death to paint yourself in a good light. Especially since deacon was the dark cult bodyguard.

Here is what I think you are: the dark cult's seer. Deacon the ghost's near immediate switch to your vote for Swaggs confirms that in my mind. I believe that King was your sorcerer and he burned Lathum as soon as Lathum was on to him.

[KWhit]

I also think that Lathum had some sort of sight and knows something. He ghost-voted for Barkeep this morning. That's good enough for me at this point (but I'm open to changing my vote before 8 if I'm online).

I Vote Barkeep.

[ntndeacon]

UNvote KWhit
Vote Barkeep

[KWhit]

I have no idea what to make of ntndeacon as a ghost.

[TazFTW]

I also think that Lathum had some sort of sight and knows something. He ghost-voted for Barkeep this morning. That's good enough for me at this point (but I'm open to changing my vote before 8 if I'm online).

I Vote Barkeep.
I would agree.

I vote Barkeep.

[jeff061]

Would Lathum have a role that knows so much so soon though? I guess it's possible, but I'm not going to vote Barkeep quite yet.

[BrianD]

I trusted Lathum yesterday, but I'm not sure if I trust Lathum-ghost. I think I like Desnudo's logic today, so...

I vote TazFTW

[Swaggs]

I Vote TazFTW

I'm holding onto my same reasons for voting him yesterday.

[Barkeep49]

It obviously seems as though Lathum had some role. But let us review what he "knew":
He knew that NTN was evil (see post #51). This seems to have proved to be true. He also "knew" that King was evil. This is completely unknown as to whether it was true or not; the death description simply doesn't tell us enough. But let's presume that's true too. Finally he also "knew" that if he was killed, he was killed by a wolf not a tiger (see post 229) strongly suggesting Tigercat is an innocent villager. So what people are suggesting is that Lathum, 3 out 4 times, managed to successfully see that someone was evil? That just doesn't seem likely especially since I know he wouldn't have seen anything if he had looked at me. I think instead we have to accept that the votes of ghost have no real rhyme or reason, or there is some sort of other method at work with them. I think we are much better off looking at the explanations of the living rather than purported messages from the dead. Desnudo presents a good case for Taz, one that holds up to scrutiny far more than Lathum's mere vote does, and so I will Vote for Taz

[ntndeacon]

Unvote Barkeep.
Vote Taz

[TazFTW]

You lynch me and I will become more powerful than ever. Your dreams will become nightmares.

[ntndeacon]

wooooooo. I am a ghost!!! Fear me all who are evil!.

[Desnudo]

You lynch me and I will become more powerful than ever. Your dreams will become nightmares.

What a nice thing to say! Are you eviiiilll, by any chance?

[TazFTW]

What a nice thing to say! Are you eviiiilll, by any chance?
Since you did not understand the hint that I just gave, it should be obvious to the villagers where your loyalties lie.

[Desnudo]

Are you hinting that you're Obi Wan Kinobi?

[TazFTW]

Obviously.


I believe I lead the voting, to quote someone, "In dreams begin responsibilities, so wrote the poet. So it is perhaps. Could it be we take our dreams too lightly, those images from places unknown? Could they in fact be angels in flight, our souls aloft? You know, recent experiences have made yours truly take another pass through the metaphysical thickets. As unlikely as it may sound in this rational age, I emerged on the side of those that cannot help but put their faith in that which cannot be easily explained. Be open to your dreams people. Embrace that distant shore. Cause our mortal journey is over all too soon. "Those cloud-capped towers, the gorgeous palaces, the solemn temples. The great globe itself. Yea all which you inherit shall dissolve and like this insubstantial pageant faded. Leave not a rack behind. We are such stuff as dreams are made on and our little life is rounded with asleep."

Of course, if I get lynched...

[Fonzie]

I also think that Lathum had some sort of sight and knows something. He ghost-voted for Barkeep this morning. That's good enough for me at this point (but I'm open to changing my vote before 8 if I'm online).

I Vote Barkeep.
Same here. I vote Barkeep.

*crosses fingers*

I'm also not convinced about Taz, despite my vote for him yesterday (which I probably would've changed had I been able to get back online before the vote tally).

[TazFTW]

Vote count (I think):

TazFTW - 5 (Desnudo, BrianD, Swaggs, ntndeacon, Barkeep49)
Barkeep - 4 (Lathum, KWhit, TazFTW, Fonzie)
Quikshot - 1 (Tigercat)

[Airhog]

Dooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooom

[Airhog]

I vote Taz

[TazFTW]

Yep, the villagers are doomed.

[Tigercat]

unvote Qwik, I vote Barkeep, . I fully believe Taz at this point, and do not want to see a villager to his death.

[TazFTW]

Of course if I have to give anymore hints to the role that I play, maybe the villagers deserve to die.

[Desnudo]

If that's your role, then why the targeting of Swaggs?

[Tigercat]

I really wish we wouldn't lose anymore good guys, but it looks like evil has targeted Taz, at least we can have a better idea who to keep an eye on.

[TazFTW]

Updated vote count:

TazFTW - 6 (Desnudo, BrianD, Swaggs, ntndeacon, Barkeep49, Airhog)
Barkeep49 - 5 (Lathum, KWhit, TazFTW, Fonzie, Tigercat)

[TazFTW]

If that's your role, then why the targeting of Swaggs?
There are new roles, you know. Of course you wouldn't since you are not in the effective range of my power.

[Eaglesfan27]

I vote TazFTW.

[Desnudo]

I know there are new roles, but that doesn't answer my question. If you can offer me a reasonable explaination of your targeting of Swaggs, then I will consider switching my vote.

[Tigercat]

Speaking of which, Airhog, I still believe you were probably a knight or some kind of good force, if you are I emplore you not to vote for Taz. I would imagine you didn't get much of a chance to get info because you died so soon, but I fully believe you would make a mistake helping to lynch Taz. So if you were a force of good, and you can control your own behavior, I ask that you please reconsider. Then again, if you are evil or under another's control, back to hell with ya!

Edit: Same goes for you eaglesfan, if you were indeed an ordinary villager (as you claim), I would STRONGLY urge you to reconsider.

[KWhit]

I could see voting for either one at this point. Right now, I'm going with Barkeep, but I agree with Barkeep's statement that we don't know about Lathum's motives now that he's a ghost.

[Desnudo]

All right, I'm willing to give Taz a stay of execution. His accusation of Swaggs has me highly suspicious, but Lathum's vote sways me as well as Tigercat's. If he's telling the truth about what I think he's saying, I'll take the chance that Lathum has some insight here. If Taz is lying, then the truth will come out soon enough.

Unvote Taz, Vote Barkeep

[TazFTW]

No need for pleas to help me. I figure even if I did survive the lynching, I have revealed too much that the evil doers would have to eat/burn me.

[ntndeacon]

Unvote TazFTW
Vote Barkeep

[Tigercat]

No need for pleas to help me. I figure even if I did survive the lynching, I have revealed too much that the evil doers would have to eat/burn me.

Even if so, you will not have died in vein.

[TazFTW]

Barkeep49 - 7 (Lathum, KWhit, TazFTW, Fonzie, Tigercat, Desnudo, ntndeacon)
TazFTW - 5 (BrianD, Swaggs, Barkeep49, Airhog, Eaglesfan)

[TazFTW]

very chaotic

[Barkeep49]

I would hope that some people will change their vote once more before the deadline. Taz has made many ominous threats, where as I protest my innocence. For making these ominious warnings we are keeping him around? Seems like a mistake to me.

[ntndeacon]

Unvote Barkeep
Vote for Taz

[Qwikshot]

Another bad day at work...

The debates are stimulating, but real life has kept me from them. Still I find Taz making a big statement, almost a dare if you will, to lynch him.

I'll take that dare for now...

Vote Taz

Tomorrow I'm hoping to be more involved...though the last two times I was in this and I was wordy, I wound up dead.

Still I hate work. :mad:

[TazFTW]

TazFTW - 7 (BrianD, Swaggs, Barkeep49, Airhog, Eaglesfan, ntndeacon, Qwikshot)
Barkeep49 - 7 (Lathum, KWhit, TazFTW, Fonzie, Tigercat, Desnudo, jeff061)

[edit]updated to count the vote below

[jeff061]

I get the feeling Evil is playing up the vote vrs Taz. I don't like following one player every round (Lathum), since that gives him too much control of the game, but looks like i'll be doing that this round. Whether or not he's correct, I believe he is on the side of good.

vote Barkeep49.

[Barkeep49]

I appreciate all of the support many of you have given me. I hope at the worse we have a tie, and thus a nonkill, rather than lynching me, and losing an innocent from the village.

[ntndeacon]

Unvote Taz
Vote Barkeep

[Swaggs]

Let's go for a tie, fellas.

[TazFTW]

Barkeep49 - 8 (Lathum, KWhit, TazFTW, Fonzie, Tigercat, Desnudo, jeff061, ntndeacon)
TazFTW - 6 (BrianD, Swaggs, Barkeep49, Airhog, Eaglesfan, Qwikshot)

[Barkeep49]

The chaotic ghost strikes again :(. Considering the incredibly close nature of the vote, I hope someone will change their vote so that we may have a tie and not kill an innocent, me.

[ntndeacon]

Unvote Barkeep
Vote Taz

[Airhog]

unvote tazftw
vote Barkeep49

[jeff061]

We can't keep going for a tie, your never going to be 100% sure. At some point in the game you need to make your move, and I think we are beyond that point.

[ntndeacon]

One of Us! One of Us!

[Peregrine]

Despite the chaotic ghost votes at the end, the count remains the same:

Barkeep49 (8) Lathum, Kwhit, TazFTW, Fonzie, Airhog, Tigercat, Desnudo, jeff061

TazFTW (6) BrianD, ntndeacon, Eaglesfan, swaggs, qwikshot, Barkeep49

The mob forms around Barkeep49, whose proclamations of innocence fall on deaf ears. It turns ugly at the end when he pulls a knife, trying desperately to fend off his attackers and break free. Unfortunately the villagers surround him and pummel him with pieces of wood and their fists until he is dead on the ground. However, his defense was not in vain, as Qwikshot is found stabbed through the heart after the melee is over.

Night 3

Eaglesfan27 - Lynched Day 2
ntndeacon - killed Night 1
BrianD
Airhog - Lynched Day 1
TazFTW
Desnudo
Fonzie
Qwikshot - killed by Barkeep on Day 3
Jeff061
SirFozzie
Barkeep49 - Lynched on Day 3
kingfc22 - killed on Night 2
Swaggs
Kwhit
Fouts
Tigercat
Lathum - killed on Night 2

Please have all night actions in by midnight.

[Desnudo]

Well that answers nothing. What a mind job this game is.

[jeff061]

Qwik gets no love.

Between Lathum and a thinly built case around Taz, I'm confident he was a baddie.

[Fouts]

Just got back, and for the record I was going to vote for Barkeep. I just failed to put it in my last message where I was thinking along with Lathum's ghost.

Strange how only a couple ghosts are being chaotic.

[Peregrine]

Major announcement

It looks like I'm going to have to go out of town tomorrow and this weekend unexpectedly. I'll still post the Night 3 results as normal, but after that we have two options - have Friday's voting take place as normal, but you won't find out the results until Sunday night probably, or just have the next day's voting run until Sunday night. Probably the latter is best.

[Fouts]

Something for thought - why did Barkeep kill Qwik but not Taz? Hmmm.

[Vince]

I think as an observer, I like this version better than the one where the roles are revealed. So much more suspense...and I don't have to worry about it because I can't get lynched :)

[Swaggs]

Sounds like Barkeep was the hunter to me.

[Tigercat]

Weird weird series of events, especially since Qwik voted for the other guy. Stab in the heart makes you think Barkeep was the hunter, but who knows, maybe he was magician-hunter? Given the way the factions seemed to be formed in this game, I wouldn't be surprised, if there was a hunter type character, if that character was a magician. And was Qwik a wolf? Hopefully.

[TazFTW]

Major announcement

It looks like I'm going to have to go out of town tomorrow and this weekend unexpectedly. I'll still post the Night 3 results as normal, but after that we have two options - have Friday's voting take place as normal, but you won't find out the results until Sunday night probably, or just have the next day's voting run until Sunday night. Probably the latter is best.
The latter. Since having a Friday deadline, yet no announcement will give people the weekend to discuss their votes anyway.

[Barkeep49]

If it goes through the weekend NTN will overtake Jeeber with all of his vote changes :)

[ntndeacon]

I guess I should have said Two of us! Two of Us!

[Fonzie]

This is damned confusing.

[Fonzie]

Strange how only a couple ghosts are being chaotic.
Indeed. It makes one wonder if the ghost-master has only limited control over certain types of ghosts, but complete control over others.

Or none at all, with some ghosts just deciding to have fun.

[ntndeacon]

Fear my votechanging ghostlyness! wooooooooo! rattles chains

[kingfc22]

Crap, this ghost gol lost on the way back to the river and thus did not vote.

BEWARE THE WRATH OF THE KING

[Barkeep49]

Crap, this ghost gol lost on the way back to the river and thus did not vote.

BEWARE THE WRATH OF THE KING
Some of us ghosts aren't good for anything I tell ya.

[Buzzbee]

Major announcement

It looks like I'm going to have to go out of town tomorrow and this weekend unexpectedly. I'll still post the Night 3 results as normal, but after that we have two options - have Friday's voting take place as normal, but you won't find out the results until Sunday night probably, or just have the next day's voting run until Sunday night. Probably the latter is best.
I haven't really been following along too much this go around, but I'm curious about your initial thoughts about this format. Of course you don't need to go into detail, so as to not give anything away, but I'd be curious about your early observations.

[KWhit]

BEWARE THE WRATH OF THE KING
That means something. I don't know what, but it means something.

[KWhit]

And I say hold the voting deadline til Sunday night.

[Lathum]

Sunday night works for me.

I hope all is well Peregrine

[Swaggs]

And I say hold the voting deadline til Sunday night.

Agreed.

[Airhog]

I vote Peregrine

[Peregrine]

Sunday night works for me.

I hope all is well Peregrine

Yeah, it's fine. I'm going up to NJ to meet my brother who's hiking the Appalachian Trail, I've been wanting to meet up with him for a while but it just turned out very suddenly that this weekend will work.

[Desnudo]

Sunday is fine with me. Have fun.

[Desnudo]

Qwik gets no love.

Between Lathum and a thinly built case around Taz, I'm confident he was a baddie.

So what does that make Barkeep then? And Lathum for that matter. I definitely feel like strings are being pulled here.

[Fonzie]

Weird weird series of events, especially since Qwik voted for the other guy. Stab in the heart makes you think Barkeep was the hunter, but who knows, maybe he was magician-hunter? Given the way the factions seemed to be formed in this game, I wouldn't be surprised, if there was a hunter type character, if that character was a magician. And was Qwik a wolf? Hopefully.
I agree with this analysis, FWIW.

[Lathum]

Awefully quiet around here. You'd think this place was haunted or something

[kingfc22]

Awefully quiet around here. You'd think this place was haunted or something

BOO

[Eaglesfan27]

*rattles chains*

[Barkeep49]

Eternal damnation can await you as well!

[BrianD]

It is really tough when we don't know if we lynched the right guy or not. We still haven't seen any death description that looks at all wolfish. Does that mean we haven't found one yet?

[Qwikshot]

I scratch my head at my death, but it is what it is I guess...

[Peregrine]

You all wake up to a quiet morning, no houses are burning today, anyway. It's not too long before someone is ringing the church bell to alert everyone, though. Another body has been found, this time it's TazFTW who has been torn apart in his quiet home. Wasn't he a suspect yesterday? Very strange, very strange. The number of ghosts swarming through the town is making everyone nervous, as they are even visible to the naked eye occasionally. As if things weren't bad enough, the river has risen in the night, flooding a few more houses and causing more people to evacuate to higher ground. The sun is out though and you hope this is the last of the flooding.

Day 4

Eaglesfan27 - Lynched Day 2
ntndeacon - killed Night 1
BrianD
Airhog - Lynched Day 1
TazFTW - killed Night 3
Desnudo
Fonzie
Qwikshot - killed by Barkeep on Day 3
Jeff061
SirFozzie
Barkeep49 - Lynched on Day 3
kingfc22 - killed on Night 2
Swaggs
Kwhit
Fouts
Tigercat
Lathum - killed on Night 2

Voting needs to be in by Sunday night at 8 pm. Ghosts can vote today.

[SirFozzie]

Ok. 9 left. Time to lay it all out on the line. I know some villagers have been receiving dreams that lead them to believe that people are or are not villagers. I know of two people I've seen in my dreams as villagers. Should we pool our knowledge of who is and isn't a villager? At this point, it may be our only shot...

[Fouts]

I've been having the same dreams and can vouch for 2 others. How do we determine who hasn't received them?

[SirFozzie]

The "Bad Guys" will probably be trying to discredit it.. but right now.. it's information the villagers can use. Right now, information is ammunition. The Wolves know who each other are. It's time for the Good Guys to know who we are as well.

[Fouts]

Well, my dreams have cleared 2 people. I'm guessing that Lathum received a similar dream pointing an evil person. I'm not sure how much knowledge he had.

[SirFozzie]

The dreams I had were that Tigercat and Fonzie were villagers. If Fouts and I have had the same dreams, then that makes four "good guys" so far. That's good... it means we still have #'s.. depending on how many other villagers there are left.

[Fouts]

I had the same exact dreams. Taking us 4 out of it, that leaves these as possible bad guys;

BrianD
Desnudo
Jeff061
Swaggs
Kwhit

[SirFozzie]

Ok. That makes Tigercat, Fonzie, myself, and Fouts as "the Good Guys."

There's 9 of us left. That means, unless the entire Non-cleared group votes in a bloc.. we control who goes down each day. (except for the ghosts of course)

Tigercat, Fonzie and Fouts: If any of you have roles that allowed you to protect others (like last game's doctor and bodyguard roles).. it might be good to protect inside our bloc.

Time to do some research on the Not-Dreamed Five :D (the fact that Fouts and I both had the same dream makes me believe that the same dream went out to all)

[Fouts]

From what Taz posted, I figured him for either the person causing the dreams or another villager. These people didn't know what the hint meant and voted for him anyway -

TazFTW (6) BrianD, ntndeacon, Eaglesfan, swaggs, qwikshot, Barkeep49

All are now dead except for BrianD and Swaggs. Somewhere to start?

[SirFozzie]

Note: This is NOT accusation.. this is the chart of who voted for who in each round:

Vote 1:
Desnudo, BrianD and Jeff061 voted for Airhog (who we thought was a knight. Unsure now)
Swaggs voted for the since-lynched Eaglesfan27
Kwhit voted at the last second for Airhog (which officially tipped the scales and caused the lynching of Airhog to happen)

Vote 2:
Swaggs voted for TazFTW early, stating that he was trying to cast aspersions on Desnudo and that he was working against the group.

Jeff voted for King, joining in with BrianD, although neither really gave a super reason (of course, not enough information)

Desnudo originally went against me, and then jumped against King (there was a tie at the time)

Kwhit voted early for me, at a time where there was a legitimate run against me (because I had made the first accusation from work both days) and never switched.

[Peregrine]

Kwhit voted at the last second for Airhog (which officially tipped the scales and caused the lynching of Airhog to happen)


This seems to be a common misconception, so let me clarify it. Kwhit's vote was after the deadline, so it did not count. If you look back to the Day 1 vote count in my final post you won't see Kwhit's name there. What actually happened is that I had missed someone in my previous tentative vote count in post #105, so that vote count was wrong. It was actually 6-4 for Airhog at that point, and when Desnudo unvoted Airhog at the last minute it was 5-4 at that point, not tied. So Kwhit's vote had no effect. Just trying to clear that up.

[SirFozzie]

Vote 3: Fair warning. I was asleep most of the day in a vicodin haze, and did not vote. Take that as you will.

TazFTW (6): BrianD, swaggs
Barkeep49 (8):Kwhit, Desnudo, jeff061

Since we did not receive a dream on Night 3, it's quite probable that Taz was the dreamsender (especially with the hints he gave).

Now we all know the situation.

[SirFozzie]

Desnudo and Jeff have voted the same way all three votes so far.

BrianD and Jeff have agreed two out of three times, splitting on the third vote.

Swaggs has only agreed with Brian D and that was on the third vote where there was an either/or.

[SirFozzie]

I have my target for the next vote, but we have three days till sunday night to make a decision. We have to be right though, if the villagers lose two more, the #'s REALLY start to get precarious.

So, the not-dreamed five, the table is set.. let us know what you think of our discussions.

[TazFTW]

Well, it sucks being dead but my death seems to have stirred the pot.

So maybe I have indeed become more powerful than ever. :cool:

[Peregrine]

Also, since we're having some free time in the game, feel free to post or PM me with suggestions for improvements, I feel this is a fairly good game but there are ways I'd like to improve it. It's hard to balance what information to give out while being secretive at the same time, I think I'd like to include more story elements, the dreams help with that (and are a pretty neat idea I think) but there may be more.

[jeff061]

I suspect everyone who had the two dreams had it of the same two people. The reason I believed Lathum was because of his hint of Tiger's innocence, I assumed he had the dream as well.

I should add that I believe Desnudo's voting was switching all over the place. I'll go back and verify this later. Some of his posts rubbed me the wrong way, and if it wasn't for him trying to tie the first round I was going to take a more serious look at him. In other words, your linking him to me suprised me ;).

The killing of Taz is very very odd to me, not sure what to make of it. I'm guessing he was a non-villager faction against the wolves and the wolves detected it?

[jeff061]

Deleted.


Feel free to edit your post, sorry bout that.

Other than it being against the rules, I disagree with your sentiment though, the cat has already been let out of the bag ;).

[Peregrine]

And just because I don't like being on the lists up above here is what I hope is considered proof that I am not lying ;).

Hey, posting PMs from the moderator is against the rules. You can tell people you had a dream but not post about it in an official way. Not to mention you just gave cover to everyone who didn't have the dream, now they know what to say.

[KWhit]

I had the dreams too. Same two guys - Tigercat and Fonzie. But I didn't get a dream last night.

[BrianD]

Oh crap. I wasn't here last night to see all of Taz's hints. Had I known all of that, I definitely would have changed my vote. Luckily enough of us were here to pick up on it.

[Swaggs]

I'm not getting the dreams. :(

[jeff061]

Which probably explains it, should of thought of that. Taz's hints are what lead to him being killed.

[Barkeep49]

Vote Desnudo

[KWhit]

I'm not getting the dreams. :(
And Taz voted for you. That tells me that you are not a simple villager.

[BrianD]

I didn't get the same dreams that Fouts and SirFozzie got, but now the dreams that I did get make much more sense. It is too bad Taz didn't survive the night. He did have decent odds of making it.

[KWhit]

I didn't get the same dreams that Fouts and SirFozzie got, but now the dreams that I did get make much more sense. It is too bad Taz didn't survive the night. He did have decent odds of making it.
Care to elaborate on your dreams? The cats are coming out of their bags, it seems.

[Peregrine]

Off I go, have fun you guys and I'll see you on Sunday.

[BrianD]

Care to elaborate on your dreams? The cats are coming out of their bags, it seems.

My dreams were very uneasy, as if something important was happening but I couldn't quite make out what I should be seeing. Lots of fog and haze and stuff like that. I was left with an overwhelming impression that I wasn't the only person having these dreams, and that others might be able to help me decide where to ply my skills.

[KWhit]

My dreams were very uneasy, as if something important was happening but I couldn't quite make out what I should be seeing. Lots of fog and haze and stuff like that. I was left with an overwhelming impression that I wasn't the only person having these dreams, and that others might be able to help me decide where to ply my skills.
I find that very interesting, especially the impression that others were having dreams. I was also very surprised when Fozzie came out and started discussing the dreams, because I thought I was the only one having them.

[Thomkal]

:::haunts KWhit:::

Oh wait wrong werewolf game. :)

[Desnudo]

Note: This is NOT accusation.. this is the chart of who voted for who in each round:

Vote 1:
Desnudo, BrianD and Jeff061 voted for Airhog (who we thought was a knight. Unsure now)
Swaggs voted for the since-lynched Eaglesfan27
Kwhit voted at the last second for Airhog (which officially tipped the scales and caused the lynching of Airhog to happen)

Vote 2:
Swaggs voted for TazFTW early, stating that he was trying to cast aspersions on Desnudo and that he was working against the group.

Jeff voted for King, joining in with BrianD, although neither really gave a super reason (of course, not enough information)

Desnudo originally went against me, and then jumped against King (there was a tie at the time)

Kwhit voted early for me, at a time where there was a legitimate run against me (because I had made the first accusation from work both days) and never switched.

You are incorrect. I voted for Kevin in round one. We have the whole weekend for discussions, so I'm not going to get into what my role may be unless it becomes obviously necessary.

[BrianD]

I find that very interesting, especially the impression that others were having dreams. I was also very surprised when Fozzie came out and started discussing the dreams, because I thought I was the only one having them.

Now that I have a better idea what the dreams were about, I can understand tha balance reasons for having mine be a bit different.

[Tigercat]

It seems that everyone may have had those dreams, or at least people besides villagers, and it seems likely that Taz was the spinner of the dreams. Either that or the bad guys are pretending to have dreams only villagers have had. I know Fonzie is a villager. I am pretty sure Fouts is a villager. I am somewhat sure a villager was killed. Based on the hints we have gotten on the variety of roles, I would be surprised if there are more than four villagers. There still has to be magicians and their cronies, werewolves and their cronies, and perhaps knights.

And quit deflecting, forces of evil, I sincerely doubt that whatever Barkeep was, that he killed randomly. Qwik must have been evil, so which of you evil bastards were in cahoots with him? I am going to analyze the voting myself later today.

[Fonzie]

The dreams I had were that Tigercat and Fonzie were villagers. If Fouts and I have had the same dreams, then that makes four "good guys" so far. That's good... it means we still have #'s.. depending on how many other villagers there are left.
Yep - and I can vouch for Fouts being a villager. Together we comprised the roles of "The Brothers" - who were allowed to PM each other.

[Tigercat]

I just got dream confirmation of Fonzie, so that just leaves three real villagers. Fouts and Fonzie, you guys haven't had dreams of any other villagers have you? If not, I believe we three can only trust each other right now. Everyone else is either evil or neutral/good special. (Although I guess your "brothers" role is sorta a special role too?) I think I will keep my eye on those others who have tried to pass themselves off as "villagers."

[Fonzie]

I just got dream confirmation of Fonzie, so that just leaves three real villagers. Fouts and Fonzie, you guys haven't had dreams of any other villagers have you? If not, I believe we three can only trust each other right now. Everyone else is either evil or neutral/good special. (Although I guess your "brothers" role is sorta a special role too?) I think I will keep my eye on those others who have tried to pass themselves off as "villagers."
Nope - I only received a dream about you.

And, might I add, you're a damn sexy man.

[KWhit]

I had the same dreams you guys had.

Night 1 - Dreamed that Tigercat was a villager
Night 2 - Dreamed that Fonzie was a villager

Also, the dream included two factions approaching us - from the North and the South.

That should be enough to convince you that I am a villager.

[weinstein7]

This is starting to get really interesting.

[Fonzie]

This is starting to get really interesting.
Indeed it is.

[KWhit]

This is starting to get really interesting.
Agreed. Especially now that information is coming out. I was afraid to share the things I dreamed due to the fact that it would put a target on my head. Little did I know, there were many of us having the same dreams. I still feel that I will be targeted by the wolves or magicians, but at least now I know that there is a bit more safety in numbers.

I am hoping that we villagers are just caught in the middle of warring factions, and now that they know who the villagers are, they will leave us alone and go after each other.

What I am concerned about, though is that there appears to be 3 other factions, not two: Werewolves, Magicians, and Knights. I am unclear how that fits into my dreams of forces approaching from the North and South. That sounded like 2 factions to me, not 3 (although the dream was not explicit as to the number of groups).

[Desnudo]

It seems that everyone may have had those dreams, or at least people besides villagers, and it seems likely that Taz was the spinner of the dreams. Either that or the bad guys are pretending to have dreams only villagers have had. I know Fonzie is a villager. I am pretty sure Fouts is a villager. I am somewhat sure a villager was killed. Based on the hints we have gotten on the variety of roles, I would be surprised if there are more than four villagers. There still has to be magicians and their cronies, werewolves and their cronies, and perhaps knights.

And quit deflecting, forces of evil, I sincerely doubt that whatever Barkeep was, that he killed randomly. Qwik must have been evil, so which of you evil bastards were in cahoots with him? I am going to analyze the voting myself later today.

If all five of the people who posted that they have had dreams are telling the truth then that only leaves two evil ones left, at most.

It doesn't really matter whether Qwik was evil or not since we don't have any idea of total amounts, but it is possible that Barkeep just took an educated guess with his kill. Just like Airhog did in the last game. My feeling is that Qwik was probably evil, but you can't assume he was just because Barkeep killed him. How do you know Barkeep is/was good?

If Barkeep was good, then why did Lathum implicate him? The only reason why that I can see would be to use his power on someone, which would imply that they were working together somehow.

[Barkeep49]

Unvote Desnudo

Vote Desnudo

[TazFTW]

I vote Desnudo

[Desnudo]

Thanks for the update. I think I'll leave the light on in my room tonight.

[SirFozzie]

Hmm.. interesting.

[jeff061]

Maybe worth overlooking or even looking more into Desnudo's attempt at tying the 1st round.

I'm not saying this in reaction to the ghosts, I already had posted my suspicion about Desnudo.

[Desnudo]

Right. Your suspicions in what regards? My posts rubbed you the wrong way? Post something concrete and we can have a discussion. Interesting that I was rubbing you the wrong way all along, yet you voted with me all three times. I will tell you who the two remaining evil doers are, assuming KWhit and all four of the villagers are telling the truth.

BrianD and jeff061

Swaggs and I are the two remaining knights. Airhog was the third. At this point there is no real point in remaining hidden as I can see where this vote is going. I would prefer not to reveal my specific role, but will do so if pressed.

Should note that it is possible that only one of the two remaining is evil.

[KWhit]

Right. Your suspicions in what regards? My posts rubbed you the wrong way? Post something concrete and we can have a discussion. Interesting that I was rubbing you the wrong way all along, yet you voted with me all three times. I will tell you who the two remaining evil doers are, assuming KWhit and all four of the villagers are telling the truth.

BrianD and jeff061

Swaggs and I are the two remaining knights. Airhog was the third. At this point there is no real point in remaining hidden as I can see where this vote is going. I would prefer not to reveal my specific role, but will do so if pressed.

Should note that it is possible that only one of the two remaining is evil.
Wow.

[Desnudo]

Also, our objective is to root out the evil Dark Cult of magicians. NTNDeacon and KingFC were both members of said cult.

[BrianD]

Right. Your suspicions in what regards? My posts rubbed you the wrong way? Post something concrete and we can have a discussion. Interesting that I was rubbing you the wrong way all along, yet you voted with me all three times. I will tell you who the two remaining evil doers are, assuming KWhit and all four of the villagers are telling the truth.

BrianD and jeff061

Swaggs and I are the two remaining knights. Airhog was the third. At this point there is no real point in remaining hidden as I can see where this vote is going. I would prefer not to reveal my specific role, but will do so if pressed.

Should note that it is possible that only one of the two remaining is evil.

I would like to emphasize your last sentence since I know I had a shot at saving Taz last night. He basically died because he lost the coin-flip.

[Tigercat]

If all five of the people who posted that they have had dreams are telling the truth then that only leaves two evil ones left, at most.

It doesn't really matter whether Qwik was evil or not since we don't have any idea of total amounts, but it is possible that Barkeep just took an educated guess with his kill. Just like Airhog did in the last game. My feeling is that Qwik was probably evil, but you can't assume he was just because Barkeep killed him. How do you know Barkeep is/was good?

If Barkeep was good, then why did Lathum implicate him? The only reason why that I can see would be to use his power on someone, which would imply that they were working together somehow.

I don't assume anything on Barkeep, but do you honestly think he would go after someone who had a non-key evil(or not good) role when that person didn't even vote for him? I find that very very hard to believe.

And I find it hard to believe that there is more than four villagers, and I am pretty sure one of them is dead(Eaglesfan, who I believe was the other regular villager and saw a dream that I and either Fonzie or Fouts were villagers. There was no reason for him to disclose what he did in the manner he did otherwise. Unfortunately I read the signs too late and at the time thought he was bluffing as being the seer. Sorry Eaglesfan, if I am right I ask you for some ghostly forgiveness.) So thats four villagers. You expect me to believe in a game with this many factions that there are more than 4 villagers? I don't buy it. Sure are a lot of people that are likely evil or not good claiming to be villagers around here.

[jeff061]

I will when I get home and I can look over things more, we got all weekend. You didn't see me cast a vote did you?

[Vince]

The shitteth, hath hitteth, the fan. Eth.

[jeff061]

In any case I'm a villager with a minor ability that really has not benefited us.

I'll look at BrianD to, he's been under the radar, hadn't thought about him much.