Werewolf IV - River of Darkness

[Fouts]

Couple that with NTNDeacon having a sword with his body and the ghosts being controlled by someone, where does that put our "knights"?

[BrianD]

dola

I'm totally violating my decision to stay away from the electric crack today. :(

[Fouts]

Ok after rereading the entire thread, I believe Desnudo and Swaggs are knights. Brian never changed his vote from Taz even after Taz outted himself (maybe he was away, who knows?). I think everyone has a role and this is how I have them setup in my mind.

Fouts/Fonzie - Brothers
SirFozzie - Doctor
BrianD - Wolf
Desnudo/Swaggs - Knights
Tiger - villager (gotta have some role, bodyguard?)
Jeff - Duke
KWhit - Ghostmaster

The last 3 are up for debate.

[SirFozzie]

Ok after rereading the entire thread, I believe Desnudo and Swaggs are knights. Brian never changed his vote from Taz even after Taz outted himself (maybe he was away, who knows?). I think everyone has a role and this is how I have them setup in my mind.

Fouts/Fonzie - Brothers
SirFozzie - Doctor
BrianD - Wolf
Desnudo/Swaggs - Knights
Tiger - villager (gotta have some role, bodyguard?)
Jeff - Duke
KWhit - Ghostmaster

The last 3 are up for debate.

I don't think Tiger is the bodyguard. That's all I have to say about that. Fits though with what I've read earlier.

[Tigercat]

Again, it doesn't matter too much what yall think of my villager role as long as yall realize i am on the side of good. But I assure yall I am just the regular villager. Hell I was the ordinary villager last game too. It appears I am being type casted. Frankly, I wish I had at least a little role like doctor or bodyguard, being alone(at least the brothers can talk with each other) without a purpose but survival sucks a little. Ah well.

Jeff as the duke is interesting, as is Kwhit as the ghostmaster. Does that mean we are sure the Duke and Ghostmaster are "villagers"? I guess the Duke as a villager makes sense, but i am not sure about the ghostmaster. Even if good it would seem like the ghostmaster would be a strange enough role to be from outside the villager group, perhaps one of the knights or a baddie. Perhaps Kwhit is the bodyguard? Any other villager roles unaccounted for? Perhaps we have a cursed running around and hopefully not a cultist.

[Fouts]

Somebody explain this situation, because figuring out ntndeacon's role is directly related to whether Desnudo/Swaggs are telling the truth.

Unless the knights are able to protect us!

And then that night;

In a cottage, ntndeacon is lying dead, ripped apart by what appear to be long claws. He fought back, though, as a bloodied sword was found close to his cold hands. The people of River's Edge murmur, upset at this latest killing.

Why does he have a sword, and why are the people of River's Edge upset at this killing??

Hmmm.

[Fouts]

And this from the game setup;

The only hopeful sign for the village is that there are rumors that men loyal to the King have come to the town in secret, knights sent to protect the town and investigate what is happening.

I'm now suspicious of Desnudo/Swaggs, because if ntndeacon is a knight, Desnudo/Swaggs are not. What are they?

[Tigercat]

The instructions given in this game specifically said the roles would not be given out in death, isn't it too obvious to put the sword in the hands of someone that was a knight?

[Airhog]

My soul will not rest in peace until the evil has been banquished

[Tigercat]

Is that Airhog's way of telling us he is under his own control and not voting for the "Knights" meant something? Or perhaps him saying that is a ploy and the ghosts can even be told what to say? For now, based on Airhog not voteing on the "knights," I believe them. But if there is still a game past BrianD's lynching there are lots of people to consider. Hell just about everyone but the brothers for me.

[Tigercat]

Dola, did any of you guys see if Airhog was browsing the thread before he posted?

[Airhog]

Im a ghost I dont need to browse the thread before posting :P

[Fouts]

The whole role revelation thing was something I struggled with. However, I decided to go with a more secretive approach and see how it goes. There is at least one person who can see the roles of the dead, however whether they are willing to reveal them, or reveal them truthfully, is something they will have to decide.

This is an important post by Peregrine. It infers that he is giving us clues, and also tells us that somebody can see the roles of the dead. If only we had that guy with us, I would really like to know ntndeacons role.

[Tigercat]

I don't see anything that says anything about giving us clues at death, and I still contend that even if there is a clue a sword in the hand of a knight seems a little obvious. More like a big neon sign than a clue. But I had forgotten about the character who can see the roles of the dead. Is that person with us? If they are perhaps Kwhit or Jeff? That could be a minor power Jeff was talking about?

[Fouts]

Yes, I'm just thinking about after we string up Brian. If the game doesn't end, where do we go from there?

[SirFozzie]

if we knew who was who amongst the dead, then we'd have a good shot. I do think the controller of ghosts knows what the roles are.. after all.. if he can make them speak, he knows what they are.

Peregrine's description makes me wonder if we could trust the ghost-controller though..

[SirFozzie]

if we knew who was who amongst the dead, then we'd have a good shot. I do think the controller of ghosts knows what the roles are.. after all.. if he can make them speak, he knows what they are.

Peregrine's description makes me wonder if we could trust the ghost-controller though..

Waiiiiiiit one second.

Dark Magicians in area. Ghost Controllers.

Could it mean a NECROMANCER?

[ntndeacon]

I love reading this thread. and pass the ghostpipe!

:rattles chains:

wooooooooooooohoooooooooooooooowooooooooooooo!

[Eaglesfan27]

I love reading this thread as well. It is really hard to bite my tongue and not give any clues from what I know and think.

[BrianD]

Brian never changed his vote from Taz even after Taz outted himself (maybe he was away, who knows?).

I already explained being away when Taz outted himself.

[BrianD]

Yes, I'm just thinking about after we string up Brian. If the game doesn't end, where do we go from there?

You are going to have to be thinking about this, because it is the situation you are putting yourselves in.

[TazFTW]

BrianD - 8 (SirFozzie, jeff061, TazFTW, Desnudo, KWhit, Fouts, Airhog, Tigercat)
Swaggs - 5 (Barkeep49, Lathum, Eaglesfan27, kingfc22, ntndeacon)
KWhit - 1 (BrianD)

non voters - Qwikshot, Fonzie, Swaggs

[jeff061]

I think the person who can see the roles of the dead is no longer alive. I haven't really seen anyone speaking about the dead with anything but speculation for several days now.

[Fouts]

BrianD - 8 (SirFozzie, jeff061, TazFTW, Desnudo, KWhit, Fouts, Airhog, Tigercat)
Swaggs - 5 (Barkeep49, Lathum, Eaglesfan27, kingfc22, ntndeacon)
KWhit - 1 (BrianD)

non voters - Qwikshot, Fonzie, Swaggs

Why aren't all the ghosts voting the same way? Really confusing.

[jeff061]

That block was all voting around the same time, seems to be the work of the ghost master.

Airhog's been going kind of nutty, but I'd trust him more than the block.

[BrianD]

Why aren't all the ghosts voting the same way? Really confusing.

I'm guessing different ghosts have different agendas. They might still be trying to achieve their victory conditions, or going after those that went after them, or just voting randomly.

[KWhit]

Okay... There has been much speculation regarding my role, and the truth is that I do indeed have one. But it is a totally neutral villager role that does not kill anyone unless I am lynched or in some other way killed. Let me repeat that. I AM NOT DANGEROUS TO ANYONE UNTIL SOMEBODY TRIES TO KILL ME.

Sorry for yelling, but I want to make sure I'm heard.

:)

I had the dreams (I think I proved that), and I am no threat to anyone at all.

[Tigercat]

Waiiiiiiit one second.

Dark Magicians in area. Ghost Controllers.

Could it mean a NECROMANCER?

Woa, you mean in a raising dead kind of way? That would be pretty cool. We haven't seen anyone come back from the dead though, unless its a protection type power. I am really starting to lean towards two baddies left though. One is a magician who can control the ghosts and the other is a werewolf. Unless they are the same person, which seems like it would be a bit much? Where that leaves voting I don't know, but I will stick with my BrianD vote for now. And I just thought of something, suppose everyone is a villager but BrianD, the werewolf, and that magician. Would the game end with the werewolf dieing? Or with the magician in our mist would it continue? If the magician left can only control ghosts and can't kill, what would be his motive, simply to try and lynch an innocent?

[KWhit]

Okay... There has been much speculation regarding my role, and the truth is that I do indeed have one. But it is a totally neutral villager role that does not kill anyone unless I am lynched or in some other way killed. Let me repeat that. I AM NOT DANGEROUS TO ANYONE UNTIL SOMEBODY TRIES TO KILL ME.

Sorry for yelling, but I want to make sure I'm heard.

:)

I had the dreams (I think I proved that), and I am no threat to anyone at all.
And I am NOT the ghostmaster. I have no control over those bitches.

[Tigercat]

And speculating on the back story and the dreams and the possibility of a magician, couldn't a magician recieving the dream be explained because a magician is magical, whereas the knights are just knights and aren't from the village? Just a random though.

Edit: killing the dola and adding, I am not sure we can trust Airhog's vote if we can't trust the block, it may be in the ghost controllers interest to make airhog seem independent....

[SirFozzie]

Woa, you mean in a raising dead kind of way? That would be pretty cool. We haven't seen anyone come back from the dead though, unless its a protection type power.

No, I mean a Necromancer that can control/animate the ghosts..

[Fouts]

Okay... There has been much speculation regarding my role, and the truth is that I do indeed have one. But it is a totally neutral villager role that does not kill anyone unless I am lynched or in some other way killed. Let me repeat that. I AM NOT DANGEROUS TO ANYONE UNTIL SOMEBODY TRIES TO KILL ME.

Sorry for yelling, but I want to make sure I'm heard.

:)

I had the dreams (I think I proved that), and I am no threat to anyone at all.

Obviously I am not revealing the specifics of any role, suffice it to say every character will have a role, however some are passive abilities and some are active.

Ok, Peregrine says we all have a role. KWhit as the Duke or something similar. What are Tiger and Jeff?

[Fouts]

My soul will not rest in peace until the evil has been banquished

I think this is a clue. A knight would have said "vanquished".

[BrianD]

Okay... There has been much speculation regarding my role, and the truth is that I do indeed have one. But it is a totally neutral villager role that does not kill anyone unless I am lynched or in some other way killed. Let me repeat that. I AM NOT DANGEROUS TO ANYONE UNTIL SOMEBODY TRIES TO KILL ME.

Sorry for yelling, but I want to make sure I'm heard.

:)

I had the dreams (I think I proved that), and I am no threat to anyone at all.

That is convenient. Wait until there are some questions about the claims of SirFozzie and then come out with a threat against everyone if he gets killed. If he is telling the truth and we lynch him, he'd probably kill me and you guys would still have me dead. If he isn't telling the truth, the game will probably end.

I'm a little disappointed that nobody seem so be discussing SirFozzie's doctor claims. It seems like people aren't even trying to have an open mind. You'll eventually realize your mistake...

[SirFozzie]

That is convenient. Wait until there are some questions about the claims of SirFozzie and then come out with a threat against everyone if he gets killed. If he is telling the truth and we lynch him, he'd probably kill me and you guys would still have me dead. If he isn't telling the truth, the game will probably end.

I'm a little disappointed that nobody seem so be discussing SirFozzie's doctor claims. It seems like people aren't even trying to have an open mind. You'll eventually realize your mistake...

The only one who has questions about my claims is you. :D

[kingfc22]

UNVOTE SWAGGS

VOTE SIRFOZZIE

[SirFozzie]

and here comes the whiplash ghosts again.. it's like the tides.. :D

[BrianD]

The only one who has questions about my claims is you. :D

That is what scares me. People are following you blindly, and they don't see the edge of the cliff coming.

[Lathum]

UNVOTE SWAGGS

VOTE SIRFOZZIE

[Eaglesfan27]

Unvote Swaggs

Vote SirFozzie.

[SirFozzie]

Hmm.. Could we have a Witness in this game? Looking in V saw it play a major role there too.

That's ANOTHER role we could have, amongst those who haven't declared a role yet.

[Fonzie]

My soul will not rest in peace until the evil has been banquished
You will never rid the world of HornsManiac. Never!

[Fonzie]

Dola-

The only thing I'm certain of at this point is that the extra day of deliberation has resulted in lies of even greater complexity.

Well done, gentlemen.

[Fouts]

Well, the ghostmaster is doing his thing. I wonder if we are outnumbered?

[Fonzie]

Well, the ghostmaster is doing his thing. I wonder if we are outnumbered?
I don't think so. It doesn't seem that enough of the ghosts are under his direct control to do that.

Anyways, I just re-read something that SirFozzie posted that has me very convinced that he is in fact a villager. I won't say what it is as doing so would border on meta-gaming, but it is enough to get me off my fence and vote for BrianD.

[Barkeep49]

Unvote Swaggs
Vote SirFozzie

[Fonzie]

Okay... There has been much speculation regarding my role, and the truth is that I do indeed have one. But it is a totally neutral villager role that does not kill anyone unless I am lynched or in some other way killed. Let me repeat that. I AM NOT DANGEROUS TO ANYONE UNTIL SOMEBODY TRIES TO KILL ME.

Sorry for yelling, but I want to make sure I'm heard.

:)

I had the dreams (I think I proved that), and I am no threat to anyone at all.
So you're saying you're The Hunter then, correct?

[SirFozzie]

Then who was the one who stabbed the guy earlier? The Brutal Wolf?

[Tigercat]

Then who was the one who stabbed the guy earlier? The Brutal Wolf?

Interesting thought.

[BrianD]

Looks like I will have to bring out all the points tomorrow to show why SirFozzie isn't a doctor on the side of the villagers. I was really hoping that other villagers would see the inconsistencies and point them out, but it looks like nobody even bothered to look. Sadly I think SirFozzie has got everyone so completely believing his lies that nobody is even looking to make sure their assumptions are correct. SirFozzie, you've played your mind games well. I guess you deserve a win.

[Fonzie]

Looks like I will have to bring out all the points tomorrow to show why SirFozzie isn't a doctor on the side of the villagers.
What do you mean? Why wait until tomorrow to make points?

[Tigercat]

SirFozzie, can you explain the doctor role as its described to you again so i dont have to search for it again? Do you automatically heal someone if you choose to doctor them?

[SirFozzie]

Looks like I will have to bring out all the points tomorrow to show why SirFozzie isn't a doctor on the side of the villagers. I was really hoping that other villagers would see the inconsistencies and point them out, but it looks like nobody even bothered to look. Sadly I think SirFozzie has got everyone so completely believing his lies that nobody is even looking to make sure their assumptions are correct. SirFozzie, you've played your mind games well. I guess you deserve a win.

Let me Translate that for the rest of us.

I was really hoping that other villagers would see the inconsistencies and point them out, but it looks like nobody even bothered to look.

Translates to:

I was hoping somebody would double think themselves into believing SirFozzie was a liar, so I could post after them and say. "I Saw the same thing. Don't the rest of you see it?

Sadly I think SirFozzie has got everyone so completely believing his lies that nobody is even looking to make sure their assumptions are correct.

Translates to:

I've tried every thing I can think of to hide the fact that I got caught lying about my role, and NO ONE BELIEVES ME! ARGHH!!! '

and finally..

SirFozzie, you've played your mind games well. I guess you deserve a win.

means... well. I think we'll let that stand. I appreciate the compliment, Brian, even though you were the only one I played the Mind Game against. The rest of em know the truth.

[SirFozzie]

SirFozzie, can you explain the doctor role as its described to you again so i dont have to search for it again? Do you automatically heal someone if you choose to doctor them?

(paraphrasing because Peregrine stated copying is a no-no)

I pick someone. If they are attacked, I heal them so that they survive instead, however the next day they will be obviously injured. They will know that the Doctor healed them, however they will not know who the Doctor is. I have enough medical supplies to heal successfully twice.

[Tigercat]

Any bad stuff happens if they are healed? will their roles be affected?

[SirFozzie]

It does not say. I assume their roles stay the same, but you'd really have to ask Peregrine.

[Tigercat]

OK, I am gonna reveal my role in the next post, which if you are a doctor of good, will compel you to protect me if the game doesn't end with BrianD's lynching that day. If I am killed by a wolf that night people will know you are a wolf, because I will be prime wolf target #1 and it makes no sense not to protect me. And if you aren't the doctor but I don't die? I will still have a way of finding out if BrianD is the doctor or not thanks to my role. So you better be telling the truth or you are screwed regardless. Why am I revealing my role? I can't risk being wolf meat tomorrow night without revealing what I know has happened and what I know of the game. So this non action night seems like the best time to let the cat out of the bag.

[Fonzie]

Oh boy. Here we go!

[SirFozzie]

OK, I am gonna reveal my role in the next post, which if you are a doctor of good, will compel you to protect me if the game doesn't end with BrianD's lynching that day. If I am killed by a wolf that night people will know you are a wolf, because I will be prime wolf target #1 and it makes no sense not to protect me. And if you aren't the doctor but I don't die? I will still have a way of finding out if BrianD is the doctor or not thanks to my role. So you better be telling the truth or you are screwed regardless. Why am I revealing my role? I can't risk being wolf meat tomorrow night without revealing what I know has happened and what I know of the game. So this non action night seems like the best time to let the cat out of the bag.

Hell. if it takes sitting outside your door with my black bag, ready to go to win this game for the villagers? Fine by me.

[Fouts]

Why am I revealing my role? I can't risk being wolf meat tomorrow night without revealing what I know has happened and what I know of the game. So this non action night seems like the best time to let the cat out of the bag.

Thank goodness. I am on the edge of my seat.

[SirFozzie]

I assume by this line..

"And if you aren't the doctor but I don't die? I will still have a way of finding out if BrianD is the doctor or not thanks to my role."

Means you are the guy who can know the roles of the dead?

[Fonzie]

I assume by this line..

"And if you aren't the doctor but I don't die? I will still have a way of finding out if BrianD is the doctor or not thanks to my role."

Means you are the guy who can know the roles of the dead?
Patience, grasshopper.

[Tigercat]

I am indeed a good villager, however, I am the Monk.
Ghosts are around and able to vote as long as I am alive. I have no control at all over them, however, so you can blame their silly behaviors on this board having whacky posters.

I am also able to view the dead's roles every night. I can only view someone who died in the last 24 hours of game time though, so basically every night I can view someone who was lynched during the day or last night. These are the roles I found out about:


Airhog - Knight
Eaglesfan - Villager (Perhaps I dont see what kind of villager? Or he could have been a regular basic villager, I dont know for sure)
Qwikshot - a member of the dark cultists (I dont know if this meant he was THE cultist or a member of the magicians. Either way I judged from the wording he was a bad guy to my faction.)

So yea, I doubt any evil that would be around after BrianD's lynching would want me alive after tomorrow knight, considering the ghosts can vote however they want. Yes indeed, Peregrine told me at the begining of the game, THERE ARE NO GHOST ROLES. The posters are just being silly. Sorry for blowing your cover silly ghosts. And there are more dead good guys(I think at least, I could be wrong) than bad guys, so having the ghosts ready to vote for good is powerful. And I can see who the dead are. So I imagine I must be prime wolf or magician meal #1 tomorrow night. You better be ready to pretect me!

[Fouts]

I assume by this line..

"And if you aren't the doctor but I don't die? I will still have a way of finding out if BrianD is the doctor or not thanks to my role."

Means you are the guy who can know the roles of the dead?

Thats a great role, and I was hoping we still had that guy with us.

[Tigercat]

Dola so what these means most for the current dynamic is I fully believe Airhog, he can vote as he wants. So unless hes screwing with the game, which I don't believe, he is a knight and the knights are knights

[SirFozzie]

If I remember correctly..

Qwikshot was the one who stabbed someone in the lynching, correct?

You have my word, I am sending Peregrine My Night action stating I will protect you.

[SirFozzie]

Done, PM sent.

[Tigercat]

I feel pretty good about my decision to come out. I was worried that I would view BrianD tomorrow night but die, and since ghosts would die with me, so would my revelation, and then others would go after the knights without my full knowledge of ghosts and airhog. But this way, if Sirfozzie is bad it will be exposed with me dead or not and my information is out there. Hopefully I made a good decision in coming out.

[Fouts]

Qwikshot was stabbed by Barkeep. If Barkeep was the hunter, what does KWhit's proclamation of being a hunter mean? If Barkeep was the brutal wolf, why does he kill a magician? KWhit is now right behind Brian on the list of suspects.

[SirFozzie]

BTW, Ghosts?

Funny stuff :D

[Fonzie]

*hugs Tigercat*

[Fouts]

Also, if Barkeep were the brutal wolf, I am sure he would have killed Taz instead of Qwik. KWhit cannot be the hunter.

[SirFozzie]

Qwikshot was stabbed by Barkeep. If Barkeep was the hunter, what does KWhit's proclamation of being a hunter mean? If Barkeep was the brutal wolf, why does he kill a magician? KWhit is now right behind Brian on the list of suspects.

Just stands to reason, now.

One second, and I'll go back and repost the list..

[Fonzie]

Qwikshot was stabbed by Barkeep. If Barkeep was the hunter, what does KWhit's proclamation of being a hunter mean? If Barkeep was the brutal wolf, why does he kill a magician? KWhit is now right behind Brian on the list of suspects.
If he was a Brutal Wolf, Barkeep might not have known who the magicians were when he picked his target. In fact, I'd wager that he probably only knew who the other wolves were at that point.

[SirFozzie]

Myself: "Villager"/"Doctor" (disputed claim by BrianD)
Fouts: Villager/The Brothers (by Fonzie)
Tigercat Villager/Monk (Villagerby dreams: Monk Role by confession)
Fonzie: Villager/The Brothers (by dreams, confirmed that Fonzie was his Brother)
Swaggs: "Knights" Airhog seems to have confirmed that Swaggs and Desnudo were Knights
Desnudo: "Knights"
jeff061: Villager/??? Claims to have posted the same text that other dreamers received, I cannot verify as I did not see it because I did not personally view it. States he has a "minor role", but does not say what it is.
KWhit: "Villager"/??? Unable to confirm, posted details of the dream, but by that point, several had posted about it.. but not a high percentage of falsity. States he has a role that will kill someone if he is lynched or otherwise killed.
BrianD: "Villager"/"The Doctor" (Disputed claim by myself, highly believed to be a wolf)

[Tigercat]

Looking at the exact wording, I am told that Qwik was: one of the Dark Pact cultists One makes me think there are more than one, meaning that he was a magician, but thats just my guess.

[SirFozzie]

Kwhit: I THINK is claiming to be the Duke? (not sure.. he says he can kill someone if lynched or otherwise killed..)

jeff061: I think I know his role, or at least what I want his role to be.. but it's only good if its secret (it makes him a target just like myself and the Monk). Think about what roles haven't been brought up, and you might come across the one that I'm thinking of.

[SirFozzie]

Looking at it again. Guys. I THINK we're about to win. Can anyone fact check me here?

Unless I am pulling a con job (which I'm not).. we have.. confirmed good/Knights.

Myself (Doctor)
Fonzie (Brothers)
Fouts (Brothers)
Tigercat (Monk)
Desnudo (Knight)
Swaggs (Knight)

jeff061 (says he posted the whole thing, no idea on role)
Kwhit (Posted many details)

[Eaglesfan27]

BTW, Ghosts?

Funny stuff :D

Don't try to butter us up ;)

[SirFozzie]

Don't try to butter us up ;)

Buttered Ghosts on Crack... :D

[Eaglesfan27]

Buttered Ghosts on Crack... :D
:D

[Lathum]

mmmmmmmmm

butter

boo!

[SirFozzie]

Ok guys: Here's what I've comeup with.

Please Note: These descriptions were from werewolf II.

Brutal Wolf - One of the werewolves in the game is nastier than the others, a very tough customer. If this werewolf is lynched, he has the power to immediately kill one person before he is subdued.

Hunter - The hunter is a rather paranoid individual, but a skilled killer. If they are killed in the game, either by werewolves or lynched, they have the power to immediately kill one other player of their choice. Note that they don't know who the werewolves are, they just have to make their best guess.


KWhit is claiming that he's the Hunter. We saw Barkeep stab someone in the lynch mob (Qwikshot)

So. Barkeep was either the Brutal Wolf or the Hunter which means that KWhit is the other in that pair if he claims that ability (Note: There have been no other doubles except for the Lathum/Eaglesfan pair, but one was by sorcery, the other by wolf teeth)

[ntndeacon]

Unvote Swaggs
Vote Fonzie

[Fonzie]

Unvote Swaggs
Vote Fonzie
Prick.






http://dynamic.gamespy.com/%7Efof/forums/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[Tigercat]

I think with barkeep, we have to think what facation would be most likely to have a player that would vote one way and kill another(and kill someone who didn't vote to lynch that player no less). I don't know about you guys, but that seems more likely to be a bad character than a good one. But, yea, it does question Kwhit's hunter claims some at least.

[Fouts]

I think with barkeep, we have to think what facation would be most likely to have a player that would vote one way and kill another(and kill someone who didn't vote to lynch that player no less). I don't know about you guys, but that seems more likely to be a bad character than a good one. But, yea, it does question Kwhit's hunter claims some at least.

Not really. If Barkeep is the hunter, and knows Taz is for the villagers (because of what Taz said), he goes looking for an evil person. If he is the brutal wolf, why doesn't he take out Taz, a known good person?

[Swaggs]

Interesting role, Tigercat.

With the phrasing you used in your post, I now feel certain that you are a good character.

[Tigercat]

Too bad my viewing roles were so limited, I really wanted to know what barkeep was, but after going back and forth, I decided that who he killed seemed more important than who he was. And I guess it was a little vanity too, cause I accused Qwik before Barkeep got to him too. Maybe Barkeep was the hunter and he was suspicious of Qwik like me, but like me he saw his vote couldn't mean anything?

[SirFozzie]

I do believe that KWhit is the hunter... he did post about the dreams.. WAIT A SECOND!

This is very speculative here. Could Brian be a dark seer/sorceror type? You notice that when I Caught him in the lie, that he kept trying to say I was protecting Kwhit? I think.. and yes, this is assuming a lot. that he KNEW that KWhit was the hunter, and was hoping for a double play. (We Lynch KWhit, Kwhit gets one of us in return) to cut the odds down.

It's a stretch.. but it does make sense, doesn't it?

[Swaggs]

Honestly, I think KWhit is still among the list of suspects, but he could also be the Duke or another "new" role.

[kingfc22]

NOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Fonzie]

NOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
A good sign, methinks.

[Fouts]

So if we lynch Tiger, then the ghosts go away? ;)

[kingfc22]

boo


edited to add: was funny watching you guys react to the ghosts, that is all my no scream meant...play on


*grabs popcorn*

[SirFozzie]

Honestly, I think KWhit is still among the list of suspects, but he could also be the Duke or another "new" role.

I think he has to be one or the other, KWhit is either the Hunter.. or The Brutal Wolf.

No wolf would eat a Brutal Wolf, so when we lynched, he would kill.

Hunters kill when eaten OR lynched.

We've had doubles.. one was Barkeep/Qwikshot, which happened in the lynching.. so it could be either/or.

The other double was: Lathum/Eaglesfan. One wolfed, one.. burned from the inside out?

Doesn't sound very huntery/brutal wolfery does it?

So we have either a hunter or Brutal Wolf in Kwhit.

[TazFTW]

NOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
king obviously had the role of Darth Vader.

[kingfc22]

king obviously had the role of Darth Vader.
I am your father

[Tigercat]

A good sign, methinks.

Maybe he was just yelling cause he was outted as being an independent thinking maniac, instead of being a forced maniac.

So if we lynch Tiger, then the ghosts go away? ;)

Only their voting, you are stuck with them regardless methinks.

[Fouts]

I think he has to be one or the other, KWhit is either the Hunter.. or The Brutal Wolf.

No wolf would eat a Brutal Wolf, so when we lynched, he would kill.

Hunters kill when eaten OR lynched.

We've had doubles.. one was Barkeep/Qwikshot, which happened in the lynching.. so it could be either/or.

The other double was: Lathum/Eaglesfan. One wolfed, one.. burned from the inside out?

Doesn't sound very huntery/brutal wolfery does it?

So we have either a hunter or Brutal Wolf in Kwhit.

It wasn't Lathum/Eagles, I think it was Lathum/King. And King burned Lathum to a crisp making him the big magician type. So we still have the brutal wolf or hunter out there.

[Fouts]

I have a question for KWhit to answer. If you did receive the dreams, you will know the answer.

On night 2, Fonzie was portrayed in your dream as an innocent villager and not a _______?

[KWhit]

I have a question for KWhit to answer. If you did receive the dreams, you will know the answer.

On night 2, Fonzie was portrayed in your dream as an innocent villager and not a _______?A stranger among you.

[SirFozzie]

again, we run into the fact that Jeff posted the entire thing, and it was up for an hour. But it's looking good for the villagers tonight, if you ask me.

[BrianD]

Ok, I told everyone that SirFozzie had plenty of inconsistencies in his "doctor" duties, or some decisions that were so poor that he obviously isn't on the side of the villagers. I thought it would be more powerful (and a better defense for me) if other villagers pointed them out, but since nobody did, here goes...

[SirFozzie]

Ok, I told everyone that SirFozzie had plenty of inconsistencies in his "doctor" duties, or some decisions that were so poor that he obviously isn't on the side of the villagers. I thought it would be more powerful (and a better defense for me) if other villagers pointed them out, but since nobody did, here goes...

This should be interesting. :D

[SirFozzie]

Dola: Just wish I wasn't trapped at work where I get six 10 minute chunks of FOFC a day .. it'd be fun messing up Brian's arguments again and again and again and..

well it gets boring after a while, now that I think about it,

[BrianD]

In his description of the role, SirFozzie claimed that he could successfully save people 2x a game. Then he indicated that he doctored Tigercat and Swaggs. He said he doctored Tigercat because he was in the first dream. This seems logical. In the second night, he doctored Swaggs. What was the point of this one? Swaggs hadn't even been talked about yet, and was no threat to be killed. If he was still going with his "protect the guy in the dream" plan, he should have protected Fonzie. If he was really on the side of the villagers, a better plan would have been to protect Lathum since he obviously knew more than the average person at the time. He didn't protect Lathum, and Lathum got burned. It seems pretty obvious that SirFozzie allowed Lathum to be killed.

Now, his claim of doctoring two people seemed to imply that his doctor abilities were done. I think it makes a lot of sense for him to imply that, and I'll tell you why. If he wasn't trying to imply this, then he again shows himself to be evil. The question I can't believe nobody asked is.....why is Taz dead? If, as SirFozzie implies, his doctor abilities are now gone, this is a very convenient reason for not being able to protect Taz. If he wasn't implying that his doctor skills are gone, than he chose to not protect Taz. How could anyone on the side of the villagers not protect Taz last night? Taz was sending dreams pointing out the good guys. This was THE most helpful role in the game. There was nobody else around yesterday that was more important than Taz. This was a gimmie in terms of a protection decision, and according to SirFozzie, a guaranteed save. The reason that Taz is dead is that SirFozzie didn't want him to live and allowed him to be killed.

Two guys outted themselves as being a huge help to the villagers, and SirFozzie tried to protect neither of them. This is the guy you are all following, and this is the guy that called me a liar. In fact, this is the guy that gives you most of the reason for lynching me. When you realize that you can't believe him, you will know that you still want the real doctor around....me. The other reason for lynching me is the fact that I had different dreams. I still think this makes sense. I can save people, and the other villagers can see who to save. It makes us work togther if we are going to win.

[BrianD]

I forgot to add above, the only reason it made sense for SirFozzie to say that he protected Swaggs the second night was that it was Swaggs that questioned him about the guys that he protected. SirFozzie tells Swaggs that he tried to protect Swaggs (when there was no reason at the time to do so), and he gains an instant ally. Pretty smart if nobody sees through it.

[jeff061]

I'm skimming the whole thread, I'll post bits as I see them. First off, Kwit's reaction to Tigercat's defense after a ghost voted for Tiger.

I particularly found Tigercat's responses interesting. I don't know why, but they sounded truthful to me.

Seems clear to me he was building support for Tigercat because he knew from the dream, didn't want to be obvious though. No doubt Kwit has seen the dreams and wants those in them to survive, in my opinion.

[jeff061]

From Fozzie the day before Lathum is killed

Lathum's walking a very thin line here. If he is a seer, he just became the #1 target to become a tasty wolf snack. If he's wrong, he will become the #1 target to dance Danny Deever by the villagers. It takes a very strong nerve to pull off such a ploy.. and he might think it's worth a shot, hopefully a village defender can save him in order to get a wolf.

The fact you didn't try to save him is still bothering me. If as Fozzie has said recently, that he didn't quite believe in Lathum, why did he vote with him at the time? That seems like an odd split, vote with him, then leave him for dead.

I still don't see myself switching my vote tonight though. If we are still playing tomorrow, you need to be lumped in with the knights.

[jeff061]

And the two posts that have kept Fozzie on the side of innocence in most minds.


The first to break the news on the dreams:
Ok. 9 left. Time to lay it all out on the line. I know some villagers have been receiving dreams that lead them to believe that people are or are not villagers. I know of two people I've seen in my dreams as villagers. Should we pool our knowledge of who is and isn't a villager? At this point, it may be our only shot...

And the first to break the names in the dreams:
The dreams I had were that Tigercat and Fonzie were villagers. If Fouts and I have had the same dreams, then that makes four "good guys" so far. That's good... it means we still have #'s.. depending on how many other villagers there are left

[BrianD]

It is clear that SirFozzie had the dreams, but he was also successful in getting every to out themselves. At the point that he talked about the dreams, it was pretty clear that most people were having them. If he doesn't come out with the dreams first, he doesn't have nearly as much power as he does now. It was a pre-emptive power grab, and it worked. Why didn't he save Lathum or Taz? Because he couldn't. He isn't a doctor.

[SirFozzie]

From Fozzie the day before Lathum is killed



The fact you didn't try to save him is still bothering me. If as Fozzie has said recently, that he didn't quite believe in Lathum, why did he vote with him at the time? That seems like an odd split, vote with him, then leave him for dead.

I still don't see myself switching my vote tonight though. If we are still playing tomorrow, you need to be lumped in with the knights.

Actually, if we're still playing tommorrow, then we will get confirmation that Brian is not the doctor :D

[jeff061]

Unless Tiger is dead and you are not the Doctor :).

Whether or not Tiger survives the night will go a long way towards pointing out evilness.

[BrianD]

You do realize that most of SirFozzie's defense these past few days is to call me a liar repeatedly (hoping it will stick), quoting back my words out of context, and claiming that I said something I didn't say. He hasn't even defended any of the arguments against him. Why wasn't Lathum protected? Why wasn't Taz protected?

[Lathum]

Why wasn't Lathum protected?

my thoughts exactly :)

[SirFozzie]

You do realize that most of SirFozzie's defense these past few days is to call me a liar repeatedly (hoping it will stick), quoting back my words out of context, and claiming that I said something I didn't say. He hasn't even defended any of the arguments against him. Why wasn't Lathum protected? Why wasn't Taz protected?

Um.. hello.. I did state I was at work today and cannot access it constantly like someone else? :D

Truth be told, I thought it was an interesting gambit by Latham and decided to go with it. I didn't have the amount of confidence in it. Instead I chose someone who had been vocal, but had an undefined role.

Taz.. well, I admit, I dropped the ball on that one. Agreed, if this day does not bring an end to the game, then I am numero uno on the target list even when Brian is confirmed to be some kind of no goodnik.

Running out of time in this session.. but just let me say this, Brian. You accuse me of taking words of context and just repeatedly calling you a liar.

Pot, Kettle, Black.

[Tigercat]

I am sorry BrianD, but at this point we have made our bed with SirFozzie and we have to lay in it. why you ask? Because his description says his doctoring automatically saves someone. If we sided with you and I died you could just say "Oh as the doctor I only have a 50% chance of saving someone" and then we risk the chance of me and Sirfozzie being dead and NOTHING being revealed. This way, Sirfozzie will be outed either way. It kinda makes me and you possible innocent sacrafices, but sometimes ya gotta do what ya gotta do.

[BrianD]

Um.. hello.. I did state I was at work today and cannot access it constantly like someone else? :D

Truth be told, I thought it was an interesting gambit by Latham and decided to go with it. I didn't have the amount of confidence in it. Instead I chose someone who had been vocal, but had an undefined role.

Taz.. well, I admit, I dropped the ball on that one. Agreed, if this day does not bring an end to the game, then I am numero uno on the target list even when Brian is confirmed to be some kind of no goodnik.

Running out of time in this session.. but just let me say this, Brian. You accuse me of taking words of context and just repeatedly calling you a liar.

Pot, Kettle, Black.

So you say you dropped the ball on Taz, but you haven't given anyone a reason why. Could that be because there was nobody worth protecting nearly as much as Taz and any excuse you try to give will ring completely hollow?

I agree that you will be a huge target when the game doesn't end today, but with me dead and whatever villager dies tonight, there will be way more ghosts than non-ghosts tomorrow. Lynching decisions may be taken out of the hands of the villagers, so we have to get it right tonight.

Once again SirFozzie's whole defense is the "liar, liar, pants on fire" defense. I've explained my dreams. I've explained how they helped me choose who to protect. You can see my history of trusting and following along with Lathum. My actions have been consistent, and they should be much more credible than someone saying little more than "liar", and "pot, kettle".

[BrianD]

I am sorry BrianD, but at this point we have made our bed with SirFozzie and we have to lay in it. why you ask? Because his description says his doctoring automatically saves someone. If we sided with you and I died you could just say "Oh as the doctor I only have a 50% chance of saving someone" and then we risk the chance of me and Sirfozzie being dead and NOTHING being revealed. This way, Sirfozzie will be outed either way. It kinda makes me and you possible innocent sacrafices, but sometimes ya gotta do what ya gotta do.

Actually, I think you are pretty safe. When you realize my death doesn't end the game, SirFozzie is going to need all of the ghosts around to hopefully side with him. If you and the ghosts are gone, SirFozzie is screwed. You have to get this right tonight so the ghosts can't mess anything up.

[SirFozzie]

So you say you dropped the ball on Taz, but you haven't given anyone a reason why. Could that be because there was nobody worth protecting nearly as much as Taz and any excuse you try to give will ring completely hollow?

I agree that you will be a huge target when the game doesn't end today, but with me dead and whatever villager dies tonight, there will be way more ghosts than non-ghosts tomorrow. Lynching decisions may be taken out of the hands of the villagers, so we have to get it right tonight.

Once again SirFozzie's whole defense is the "liar, liar, pants on fire" defense. I've explained my dreams. I've explained how they helped me choose who to protect. You can see my history of trusting and following along with Lathum. My actions have been consistent, and they should be much more credible than someone saying little more than "liar", and "pot, kettle".


Credibility?

"Oh I have dreams. But they're not like the one all the other villagers have had."

"You're not evil.. You're Just Protecting KWhit!"

"You're lying! I say you are! Why are you misquoting me when I'm trying to misquote you!"

And Um.. Brian.. Hate to break it to you.. But the ghosts can't vote if I'm running the Con job and Tigercat gets killed. There would be SIX others beside myself. They are the only ones who can vote. Ghosts can't vote if the Monk is killed.. Remember? OOPS.. guess you weren't as smart as you thought. You forgot that if I was somehow pulling a con, then I would immediately be the target for a 6 on 1.. and then what would it get me?

Have I played a perfect game? Hell no. As I said, for some reason I spaced out on Taz (and I'm sorry, Taz), and cost the villagers someone fairly important. But I've also done MORE then my part to save the villagers.

Revealing the dreams. Arranging roles to be known so we KNEW who the good roles were so we could focus on the "unknowns". Trapping you.

I have sprinkled my words with a lot of small hints that would confirm to villagers that I was a villager, and more importantly, that I had the goals to keep the villagers alive. Other folks picked up on it. If you read back, you'll see them actually pick up those facts.

Like they used to say in the tuna commercial....Sorry, charlie. Your theories, so-called facts and innuendos don't hold any water. You're going down.. and the Villagers will win. and there's nothing you can do about it. NOTHING.

[SirFozzie]

BTW, I'm using my last ten minutes on this thread, so this is the last words you'll get from me on this till 6:30 or so when I get home. Then we'll wait for Peregrine to show up.. and we'll see what happens then.

[Tigercat]

So in the arguements today, SirFozzie becomes a little more questionable because he didn't protect Taz. BrianD also becomes more questionable in his desire to save himself first and foremost. Have you no village pride my man? I put my neck on the line, and your attempt at logic seems more desperate than anything. If SirFozzie is evil he doesn't need the ghosts alive, cause if you are the doctor the ghosts are at worst split between good and evil. Not to mention the fact that one of the evil ghosts has been too busy to vote(Qwik) and most of the ghosts have just been playing themselves as crazy ghosts. No, I am afraid it was the best for the village to sacrafice you BrianD, and to potentially sacrafice me as well. It was the only way to be sure to get the information out and to be sure we would know who was the doctor by tomorrow morning.

[Fouts]

A stranger among you.

Looks like the rest of us are good guys. Unless Peregrine wants us to lynch the knights? :)

[BrianD]

And Um.. Brian.. Hate to break it to you.. But the ghosts can't vote if I'm running the Con job and Tigercat gets killed. There would be SIX others beside myself. They are the only ones who can vote. Ghosts can't vote if the Monk is killed.. Remember? OOPS.. guess you weren't as smart as you thought. You forgot that if I was somehow pulling a con, then I would immediately be the target for a 6 on 1.. and then what would it get me?


Once again you try to twist my words to give yourself an advantage. And in so doing, you prove the point I was making. There is no way you would kill the monk because you need the ghosts to be around. I'll even quote the message right above yours that you ignored (the words were directed at Tigercat), "SirFozzie is going to need all of the ghosts around to hopefully side with him. If you and the ghosts are gone, SirFozzie is screwed."

Apparently when I make a good argument, it is just easier for you to claim that I said the opposite of what I really did say.

Have I played a perfect game? Hell no. As I said, for some reason I spaced out on Taz (and I'm sorry, Taz), and cost the villagers someone fairly important. But I've also done MORE then my part to save the villagers.

You keep saying this, but it is empty. I've asked you a couple of times how you explain "spacing out". How can you even pretend that someone else wsa more important than Taz. You can keep not answering the question, but eventually the rest of the villagers are going to realize that you are avoiding the question. They are going to understand that you are hiding your real reasons.

To all of the other villagers around here....Don't you find it odd that SirFozzie won't explain what he was doing with Taz?

[Tigercat]

Again, thats assuming recieving the dream means automatic villager status. And something to think about, the role of the cursed. The cursed is/was a villager right? And can the game stop if a sorceror is in our mist? It would be nice if the game ended tonight, but.... I'm going to be working well through the night tonight, so I am afraid I will miss the conclusion if there is one.

[BrianD]

So in the arguements today, SirFozzie becomes a little more questionable because he didn't protect Taz. BrianD also becomes more questionable in his desire to save himself first and foremost. Have you no village pride my man? I put my neck on the line, and your attempt at logic seems more desperate than anything. If SirFozzie is evil he doesn't need the ghosts alive, cause if you are the doctor the ghosts are at worst split between good and evil. Not to mention the fact that one of the evil ghosts has been too busy to vote(Qwik) and most of the ghosts have just been playing themselves as crazy ghosts. No, I am afraid it was the best for the village to sacrafice you BrianD, and to potentially sacrafice me as well. It was the only way to be sure to get the information out and to be sure we would know who was the doctor by tomorrow morning.

I can appreciate that you put your neck on the line, but you really are in a safe position. People are looking at me and SirFozzie. If you kill either of us, and the other is evil, that person is dead unless the ghosts help. You are pretty much untouchable. Because of this, the ghosts will have much more power than the villagers. It is important that we get things right tonight. If we get them right, the game should be over. If we get it wrong, the ghosts could decide the outcome of the game. That is why I'm making such a big deal out of saving myself. Saving me gives us a chance to win. Killing me gives the ghosts the power.

[Swaggs]

I am suspicious of Sir Fozzie for not protecting Taz (in addition to BrianD claiming to have protected and lost the coin flip well before the identity of the doctor became a factor). Even though I did not pick up on it, I can buy that he could have picked up the clues about the dreams from Taz's posts. BUT, the fact that he was the first to name names and that the brothers and KWhit seem to agree with him makes me feel pretty confident that he is good.

Unless all the dreamers are evil (which doesn't make sense numbers-wise), I feel safe with the brothers, KWhit (because he completed the dream sequence), Foz (for reasons above), Desnudo (because I know foor a fact he is a knight), Tigercat (from his revelations) and myself.

Jeff is still a bit of a mystery to me. He posted something that was removed, but seems to have had the dreams (even though I haven't seen him come out and say that he has). He has done a few suspicious things in the past, most importantly to me, question the attempt of tying up the lynching vote. If there are multiple evil doers remaining, he will jump to the top of the suspect list.

Brian has made me question Foz's case over the weekend. Most of all, the identity of the doctor. Foz's alibi seems stronger to me right now, based on the strength of the dreams. I Vote BrianD.

[BrianD]

I am suspicious of Sir Fozzie for not protecting Taz (in addition to BrianD claiming to have protected and lost the coin flip well before the identity of the doctor became a factor). Even though I did not pick up on it, I can buy that he could have picked up the clues about the dreams from Taz's posts. BUT, the fact that he was the first to name names and that the brothers and KWhit seem to agree with him makes me feel pretty confident that he is good.

Unless all the dreamers are evil (which doesn't make sense numbers-wise), I feel safe with the brothers, KWhit (because he completed the dream sequence), Foz (for reasons above), Desnudo (because I know foor a fact he is a knight), Tigercat (from his revelations) and myself.

Jeff is still a bit of a mystery to me. He posted something that was removed, but seems to have had the dreams (even though I haven't seen him come out and say that he has). He has done a few suspicious things in the past, most importantly to me, question the attempt of tying up the lynching vote. If there are multiple evil doers remaining, he will jump to the top of the suspect list.

Brian has made me question Foz's case over the weekend. Most of all, the identity of the doctor. Foz's alibi seems stronger to me right now, based on the strength of the dreams. I Vote BrianD.

So you see my points about SirFozzie not being the doctor, and you give me credit for talking about trying to protect Taz before being the doctor became an issue....and you still vote to lynch me? How does that work? So much of the suspician came from him calling me a liar, and now you know that I'm not.

[BrianD]

I'm not sure that I am wrong about SirFozzie protecting KWhit, but I know he isn't on the side of the villagers. His railroading of me, and claiming to be the doctor yet not protecting Taz seems to show his evil nature.

Unvote KWhit
Vote SirFozzie

[Swaggs]

Mostly because you were vague in saying that you "protected" Taz. My thinking is that you placed that bit of info out there, in case you needed it later, and left it vague intentionally, so that you could claim bodyguard or doctor if necessary.

It became necessary when the voting began to come down. You had a fairly decent chance of being successful in claiming to be one of those two roles, as 1) we didn't know if they were in the game and 2) at that point, there was a pretty decent chance that they had been killed off already.

Right now, Foz's revealing of the names in the dreams makes him more believable than any information you have released.

[BrianD]

Mostly because you were vague in saying that you "protected" Taz. My thinking is that you placed that bit of info out there, in case you needed it later, and left it vague intentionally, so that you could claim bodyguard or doctor if necessary.

No, it started out being vague because I didn't realize everyone was going to come totally clean. My clues wouldn't help serve the bodyguard role. If I was the bodyguard, Taz would be alive. Since I'm the doctor, there is only a 50% chance of keeping him alive.

[BrianD]

Right now, Foz's revealing of the names in the dreams makes him more believable than any information you have released.

Does Foz's revealing of names outweigh claiming to be the doctor and not saving Taz or Lathum?

[Swaggs]

No, it started out being vague because I didn't realize everyone was going to come totally clean. My clues wouldn't help serve the bodyguard role. If I was the bodyguard, Taz would be alive. Since I'm the doctor, there is only a 50% chance of keeping him alive.

Explain how Foz knew the names in the dream then?

Unless we want to discredit the dreamers (and I cannot see going down that road), it looks like SirFozzie, Fonzie, Fouts and KWhit have a good alibi through that. Desnudo and I can vouch for each other. Tigercat has revealed his ability (although if Lathum was evil, that could cast a shadow on him) and I believe he is good.

I now believe that there were three members of the Dark Cult and I think they are all dead. I believe that you (and possibly Jeff--although he seems to have had the dreams, as well) are the final werewolf.

[jeff061]

I questioned the tie on the first night because I was being dumb, I just didn't think about the situation before posting. Stupid excuse and even trying to explain it will probably get more suspicion cast on me.

The third night I questioned because I thought then, and do now, that you can't just keep tying the game every night because you aren't sure of something or it would never get done. The first night fine, 2nd night possibly, 3rd and after I total disagree with it.

In any case here is the logic we will need to use:

Tigercat dies, lynch Fozzie
Tigercat lives and reveals Brian as Doctor, lynch Fozzie.
Brian revealed as evil, and it's the knights. Unfortuantly that is based off knowledge that only I know for sure(i think), that I am good. So if Brian is revealed as Evil and the games still going on it's going to be a tricky day.

And yes I've said I had the dreams several times, I did post it at one time.

[Swaggs]

Does Foz's revealing of names outweigh claiming to be the doctor and not saving Taz or Lathum?

I believe so.

[BrianD]

Explain how Foz knew the names in the dream then?


I stated a number of times that I think SirFozzie could be the sorcerer. That would make him a villager and likely to get the dreams, but still working against the villagers. It is possible that he is a wolf, but I don't think so. Either way, I think it is clear that he isn't good. If we lynch him tonight, we should know whether he was wolf or sorcerer. If nobody gets eaten tonight, I think we are in the clear.

[Tigercat]

Tigercat dies, lynch Fozzie
Tigercat lives and reveals Brian as Doctor, lynch Fozzie.
Brian revealed as evil, and it's the knights. Unfortuantly that is based off knowledge that only I know for sure(i think), that I am good. So if Brian is revealed as Evil and the games still going on it's going to be a tricky day.

And yes I've said I had the dreams several times, I did post it at one time.

Unless you believe that ntn and airhog or barkeep and airhog were the knights or that there is only one knight and it was airhog,(along with believing that airhog is being a asshole since he died) I think you have to believe the knights and go after kwhit if I were you. But its up to you. If it comes to this and someone with the dream is evil, you are first on my list, but Kwhit isn't far behind, and who knows what will happen then when we start scratching below the surface.

[Tigercat]

Dola, and when I looked at airhog I was told "He was one of the knights sent to protect you" so I don't think villagers should be required or expected to lynch away the knights.

[jeff061]

Kwit acted on the dreams and defended you early in the game, even though it wasn't necessary, which is why I absolve him. It's not me, so it would have to be the "Knights". Obviously I'll need to argue this further if we get put into this situation :).

It is my guess that either the game ends tonight or Fozzie gets lynched tomorrow and the game ends.

[Tigercat]

But then, Fozzie had the dream too. I think its a serious possibility you (and everyone else) have to be ready to consider that the dream means zip in terms of weeding out evil. If the game doesn't end with BrianD's death, thats exactly what I consider near fact, that someone with the dream is evil.

[Tigercat]

Dola, correction if BrianD is lynched, the game doesn't end, AND if someone dies overnight. If no one dies overnight perhaps we should consider not lynching anyone and trying our best to tie if the ghosts fool around? Perhaps then all real threatening evil has been vanguished and we are just suppose to ride out the whole flooding thing?

[BrianD]

But then, Fozzie had the dream too. I think its a serious possibility you (and everyone else) have to be ready to consider that the dream means zip in terms of weeding out evil. If the game doesn't end with BrianD's death, thats exactly what I consider near fact, that someone with the dream is evil.

I still think SirFozzie's actions show him to be evil. He claims to be a doctor with 100% survival rate of the people he doctors, yet he didn't try to help Lathum with the visions, or Taz with the dreams. You think I am evil because SirFozzie called me out. If SirFozzie is evil and he is calling me out, that proves I'm not evil. We can make our contingencies if someone dies tonight, but I think we should start by lynching the known evil SirFozzie.

[Tigercat]

Double dola, i guess i should say AND if someone dies or I am attacked overnight. Luckily according to Fozzie's description, we will know if I am attacked and survive.

[Tigercat]

I still think SirFozzie's actions show him to be evil. He claims to be a doctor with 100% survival rate of the people he doctors, yet he didn't try to help Lathum with the visions, or Taz with the dreams. You think I am evil because SirFozzie called me out. If SirFozzie is evil and he is calling me out, that proves I'm not evil. We can make our contingencies if someone dies tonight, but I think we should start by lynching the known evil SirFozzie.


I don't think anything for sure, I have near equal amount of questions on both of you. The only thing I know for sure is by going about things the way we are, we can be sure if Sirfozzie is more likely to be the doctor. Sirfozzie just picked the doctor parameters that are easy to test. If we kept you alive, its possible I would not have been able to check Sirfozzies idenity because of your 50% chance of saving me. I can't know which of you is lieing if I am dead. Now I will be able to either check your identity, or SirFozzie will be proven not to be the doctor. Simple and clean.

[jeff061]

It was how Kwit acted on the dreams, not the fact he said he had them, that I am taking into account. See my quote from my ealier post.

[BrianD]

I don't think anything for sure, I have near equal amount of questions on both of you. The only thing I know for sure is by going about things the way we are, we can be sure if Sirfozzie is more likely to be the doctor. Sirfozzie just picked the doctor parameters that are easy to test. If we kept you alive, its possible I would not have been able to check Sirfozzies idenity because of your 50% chance of saving me. I can't know which of you is lieing if I am dead. Now I will be able to either check your identity, or SirFozzie will be proven not to be the doctor. Simple and clean.

Actually, SirFozzie picked the doctor parameters that are already tested. If he was telling the truth, Taz would be alive. Since SirFozzie won't explain why he didn't watch over Taz, can anyone else come up with a reasonable explanation? With no reasonable explanation, your test is already answered.

[SirFozzie]

*chuckles* Getting dizzy from the spinning yet, Meester Brian? Bet you're as sick of trying to prop up your lies as I am of reading em. Hopefully Peregrine is on tonight so we can get this OVER with. :D

[BrianD]

*chuckles* Getting dizzy from the spinning yet, Meester Brian? Bet you're as sick of trying to prop up your lies as I am of reading em. Hopefully Peregrine is on tonight so we can get this OVER with. :D

And I see you still don't answer any of my points. Who did you watch over last night? It obviously wasn't Taz, who was it. If you keep ignoring the question, I'm going to make sure everyone realizes that you are ignoring it.

[SirFozzie]

Alright guys. My final words on this whole thing.

Let's consider strategy. Let's say NONE of the discussion has taken place over the last few days. Blank slate.

To accept Brian's theories.. you'd have to ask. "What's in it for me to pull this routine?". Where's my payoff. What do I get out of it.

Think that over.

It's widely accepted that AT least 5 people are clean. The Knights (by Airhog). Tigercat. Fonzie. Fouts. Out of Brian and myself.. someone HAS to be clean.. right? And Jeff061 and KWhit, while not fully exonerated, posted strong details of the dream and information. But they don't work together. So again.. at least ONE of them has to be clean.

So. The good guys, are at worst.. up 7-2. If KWhit and Jeff061 are BOTH clean.. that's 8-1. Either Brian or myself.

So.. up 7-2 or 8-1. Where's the value in a play that absolutely GUARANTEES a HIM OR ME showdown. I'm sure most of you watching would absolutely try to stay UNDER the radar in such a battle, for another day or two. Lower the odds. Only then can you try a play, right?

As a result of my action.. the sides are set. The Good Guys know who they are.. which is the bad guy's strength normally. The Wolves know other wolves. The Magicians would know other Magicians.

Where's the value in a play by a bad guy that puts the GOOD GUYS together?

There is none is there?

You might win the battle (one lynching), but you'd lose the war.

So to accept Brian's theories.. you have to determine that I couldn't figure this out. That the safer play would be to stay BELOW notice for days on end. Not become utterly public. Would it?

Consider Airhog's play in Werewolf II. Can you imagine a wolf/sorceror/whatever doing what he did in that game.. and I did in this one?

No.. you can't.

The theory doesn't work, folks, does it?

And that's the shaky underpinnings of his accusations.

[BrianD]

That was a whole lot of words to not answer my question. You know you don't have a good answer, so you go for obsfucation. Do you think if you make a longer response next time, people won't realize that you are still ignoring the question?

[jeff061]

Where did Airhog exonerate the Knights? At worst we are 6-3. With a mislynching of Brian and a killing, 4-3. After your lynching 4-2. You could also have a evil duke role(which could explain why you would put your neck on the line), which would put it at 3-3.

As long as we are looking at worst case scenarios ;).

That's a few to many if's for me to run with, but if you read into things enough you can break down any argument.

[BrianD]

Odds won't be so important if you lose 2 people tonight. Whatever the odds, you'll have 10 ghosts.

[BrianD]

dola

This is the last lynching you can be reasonably sure is in your hands, and not that of the ghosts.

[SirFozzie]

Where did Airhog exonerate the Knights? At worst we are 6-3. With a mislynching of Brian and a killing, 4-3. After your lynching 4-2. You could also have a evil duke role(which could explain why you would put your neck on the line), which would put it at 3-3.

As long as we are looking at worst case scenarios ;).

That's a few to many if's for me to run with, but if you read into things enough you can break down any argument.

Tigercat begged Airhog to vote against Swaggs and Desnudo if they weren't knights. He voted BrianD.

[jeff061]

Ghost form? I don't trust that.

[SirFozzie]

dola

This is the last lynching you can be reasonably sure is in your hands, and not that of the ghosts.

*chuckles*.. we're back to that again, huh Brian? Did you forget if Tigercat dies, they can't vote?

And if I was a wolf, and didn't kill Tigercat, and got someone else.. there'd be 2 more "good" ghost votes?

your foundation is quicksand (no, not the poster)

You keep running into that pothole.

[jeff061]

Problem is we don't know how the ghost vote, whether they are good or not. It's maddening really(entertaining for some ;)), I just ignore them, I'll probably look like a fool for doing so once the truth comes out about how they function.

[BrianD]

*chuckles*.. we're back to that again, huh Brian? Did you forget if Tigercat dies, they can't vote?

And if I was a wolf, and didn't kill Tigercat, and got someone else.. there'd be 2 more "good" ghost votes?

your foundation is quicksand (no, not the poster)

You keep running into that pothole.

Once again you fail to answer my question. (I'm going to keep leading my posts with this until you do). Who did you try to watch over last night?

I also addressed the Tigercat situation. If you were a wolf and did kill Tigercat, you'd be the worst wolf ever (in addition to the worst doctor that you claim to be). You need the chaos of the ghosts. I think this will be the fourth time I've made this comment. Did you really miss it all three other times, or do you think you will gain points by constantly reversing my position in the same way?

[BrianD]

Problem is we don't know how the ghost vote, whether they are good or not. It's maddening really(entertaining for some ;)), I just ignore them, I'll probably look like a fool for doing so once the truth comes out about how they function.

Because you don't know how they will vote, it is important to keep the power in your own hands. Vote the evil guy now before the ghosts take your power away.

[SirFozzie]

Because you don't know how they will vote, it is important to keep the power in your own hands. Vote the evil guy now before the ghosts take your power away.

They already have voted for the evil guy, Brian. You.

Do you think Peregrine would set the game up to give RANDOM GHOSTS the power to make the decision with 7 to go? That seven players who worked hard to get to this vote, could possibly have a 6-1 decision overtaken by ghosts? You're not even California Dreaming, that's a pipe dream.

[BrianD]

They already have voted for the evil guy, Brian. You.

Do you think Peregrine would set the game up to give RANDOM GHOSTS the power to make the decision with 7 to go? That seven players who worked hard to get to this vote, could possibly have a 6-1 decision overtaken by ghosts? You're not even California Dreaming, that's a pipe dream.

And a number of them voted for you. And a number of them voted for Fonzie. That seems fairly random. Who knows what the ghosts are up to. Who knows what they are meant to be up to. What we do know is that you have shown more evil tendencies in this game than I have.

[BrianD]

dola

How long is it going to take Peregrine to wade through the 4-5 pages of posts we have created since he left? :)

[SirFozzie]

And a number of them voted for you. And a number of them voted for Fonzie. That seems fairly random. Who knows what the ghosts are up to. Who knows what they are meant to be up to. What we do know is that you have shown more evil tendencies in this game than I have.


you're still grasping at straws, my friend. you're hoping somewhere, somehow, you can pull a miracle from your butt, It ain't going to happen. Not only will you go down tonight, if you are not the last bad guy.. Tigercat will show your role to the world. And we'll look back and say. "Man, that Wolf/Sorceror tried so hard to avoid it.. but we got the right person."

Nighty Night, Mr Brian.

[Fouts]

I appreciate that you're trying to save your neck, but I think we all believe you are the last werewolf trying to survive. I haven't seen anything over the last 19 pages showing me you are a villager. SirFozzie has shown me that he is one of us. Even if he is the sorceror, he can't win if we kill the last wolf. Just waiting on Peregrine, this has been a long 3 days.

[Peregrine]

Heh, 11 or so pages added to the thread while I was gone? You guys are out of hand! :)

[jeff061]

An early decision was made Friday. The rest of the discussion from Friday night til now may very well be worthless after this lynching, we shall see ;).

[BrianD]

I appreciate that you're trying to save your neck, but I think we all believe you are the last werewolf trying to survive. I haven't seen anything over the last 19 pages showing me you are a villager. SirFozzie has shown me that he is one of us. Even if he is the sorceror, he can't win if we kill the last wolf. Just waiting on Peregrine, this has been a long 3 days.

If he was one of your, he wouldn't lie about being the doctor. If he isn't lying about being the doctor, he would have saved Lathum and/or Taz. At the very least, he should explain why he didn't. He allowed our two greates allies to die. How is that being one of us?

[BrianD]

I appreciate that you're trying to save your neck, but I think we all believe you are the last werewolf trying to survive. I haven't seen anything over the last 19 pages showing me you are a villager. SirFozzie has shown me that he is one of us. Even if he is the sorceror, he can't win if we kill the last wolf. Just waiting on Peregrine, this has been a long 3 days.

Actually, I think I have shown you that I am a villager. With the discussion of my dreams, watching over Tigercat after Lathum named him as important, then watching over Taz when he outted himself. I've explained everything in detail. I've put all my cards on the table. You can see the logic of my actions going all the way back to before Lathum was killed.

SirFozzie has shown all kinds of inconsistencies.

[jeff061]

That logic is all fluff though, since Tiger was never targeted and Taz was killed.

[BrianD]

dola

You all realize, of course, that everybody has come completely clean except for SirFozzie. He is the only one still keeping secrets. I wonder why that is?

[BrianD]

That logic is all fluff though, since Tiger was never targeted and Taz was killed.

And how is the logic of watching over Swaggs on night two, and apparently nobody on night three?

[Desnudo]

I just finished wading through all the posts from Friday night on. Whew! :)

I haven't seen anything to change my mind, sorry Brian. With Tigercat's confirmation that Qwikshot was a member of the Dark Pact, three members have been eliminated. Him, NTNDeacon, and KingFC. If it was three vs. three knights, that means they are done and there really might just be one wolf remaining.

I would like to hear an explaination about Taz from SirFozzie though.

[jeff061]

Of course he's got issues with his story, everyone other than Tiger and Fonzie do. But he mentioned the dreams and he outed you. Even if it was just a ballsy bluff it's more to go on than what you have.

[SirFozzie]

I said it previously. I dropped the ball. I screwed up. I'm human, it does happen..

[BrianD]

I would like to hear an explaination about Taz from SirFozzie though.

Aside from me, you aren't the only other person to say that. Strange that you are willing to give him a pass even if he doesn't explain this obviously evil move.

[BrianD]

Of course he's got issues with his story, everyone other than Tiger and Fonzie do. But he mentioned the dreams and he outed you. Even if it was just a ballsy bluff it's more to go on than what you have.

He outted me as the doctor. That should be a good thing for the villagers.

[Fouts]

Wouldn't it be something if Brian were the sorceror and the wolf is still out there? I don't want to think about that until after the lynching.

[SirFozzie]

I just finished wading through all the posts from Friday night on. Whew! :)

I haven't seen anything to change my mind, sorry Brian. With Tigercat's confirmation that Qwikshot was a member of the Dark Pact, three members have been eliminated. Him, NTNDeacon, and KingFC. If it was three vs. three knights, that means they are done and there really might just be one wolf remaining.

I would like to hear an explaination about Taz from SirFozzie though.

and if all the magicians have been eliminated, then Brian's theory that I was a sorceror in disguise, so that's why I got the villager dreams.. gets blown to bits! Just like every other theory you've come up with :D

[BrianD]

I said it previously. I dropped the ball. I screwed up. I'm human, it does happen..

But what was your action and what was your reason. It is in these secrets that your true evilness lies.

[SirFozzie]

10 minutes, Brian, and then Game Over for you, pal :D

[jeff061]

Wouldn't it be something if Brian were the sorceror and the wolf is still out there? I don't want to think about that until after the lynching.

Yeah, I didn't go into specifics but I covered these possible outcomes. If this was the case I'd take a long and hard look at Swaggs and Des. And everyone else would be looking at those two as well as Kwit and me. It'd be a mess.

[BrianD]

and if all the magicians have been eliminated, then Brian's theory that I was a sorceror in disguise, so that's why I got the villager dreams.. gets blown to bits! Just like every other theory you've come up with :D

We've had this discussion before too. The sorcerer is not a magician. The sorcerer is a villager who happens to be on the side of the wolves. You keep bringing up false arguments hoping that nobody will notice.

[Airhog]

I vote BrianD

I had voted before, but didnt want the vote to get buried :D

[BrianD]

Let's hope the ghosts can see through your games in the next five minutes...

[Peregrine]

Let me say that reading through this thread has been very interesting. Lots of good stuff being thrown around, and definitely some things that I may need to alter before running this again.

[jeff061]

I don't think a ghost would be worried about his vote getting buried if he did not want a specific outcome, and he is a knight....

[SirFozzie]

Let's hope the ghosts can see through your games in the next five minutes....

I vote BrianD

I had voted before, but didnt want the vote to get buried :D


:D :D :D :D :D :p :p :p :p :D :D :D :D :D

[BrianD]

:D :D :D :D :D :p :p :p :p :D :D :D :D :D
Obviously this one didn't...

[Barkeep49]

Let me say that reading through this thread has been very interesting. Lots of good stuff being thrown around, and definitely some things that I may need to alter before running this again.
I have some feedback I'd like to give after the game ends myself, but let me be the first congradulate you on another game well run as the 19 pages proves just how addicting the game can be.

[SirFozzie]

Starts playing Page and Plant's "Gallows Pole" for Brian :D

[Fouts]

Yes, very fun. I hope to be able to play again.

[BrianD]

Starts playing Page and Plant's "Gallows Pole" for Brian :D

I've always liked that song... :)

[Peregrine]

I hope I don't have to go through ten pages of posts to count all the votes, but I feel safe in saying that it's Brian by a healthy margin right now?

[SirFozzie]

Correct.

[jeff061]

Yeah, I think only a few of the ghosts voted otherwise.

[BrianD]

I hope I don't have to go through ten pages of posts to count all the votes, but I feel safe in saying that it's Brian by a healthy margin right now?

No, I think I'm in the clear. :D

It is probably at least 8-3 against me, or maybe more by now. :(

[SirFozzie]

I think you had 10, Brian. Back on Page 16 it was 8-5-1, and while the ghost block switched my way (in their Ghostly Tides fashion), you picked up Swaggs and Fonzie.

[Fouts]

Hmm, imagine only ghosts being the majority (and only votes) to vote for 1 person to be lynched. How will they be able to lynch that person?

[Peregrine]

Hmm, imagine only ghosts being the majority (and only votes) to vote for 1 person to be lynched. How will they be able to lynch that person?

Yeah, ghosts can't be the only votes against a person, I don't think. Wouldn't really be fair, if the village doesn't want to lynch anyone then they would ignore the ghosts that time. Though the ghosts all voting for someone could indicate he is suspicious, or just that the ghosts don't like him. ;)

[Peregrine]

The votes are clear, despite much talk over alcohol, lots of alcohol, in the tavern. BrianD tries to escape when the tide has obviously turned against him, but he is restrained by two stout villagers, and eventually his time comes to meet the rope. He dies surprisingly easy, but maybe it's because you're all so well practiced by now.

Night 4

Eaglesfan27 - Lynched Day 2
ntndeacon - killed Night 1
BrianD - Lynched Day 4
Airhog - Lynched Day 1
TazFTW - killed Night 3
Desnudo
Fonzie
Qwikshot - killed by Barkeep on Day 3
Jeff061
SirFozzie
Barkeep49 - Lynched on Day 3
kingfc22 - killed on Night 2
Swaggs
Kwhit
Fouts
Tigercat
Lathum - killed on Night 2

Night actions in by midnight.

[Desnudo]

Wonderful.

[SirFozzie]

Interesting. GAME ON!

I've sent my doctor action to protect Tigercat to Peregrine.

[Fouts]

WTF

[SirFozzie]

Well. Only three left on the hit list, at least to me.

Myself (but I fully expect to be vindicated by Tigercat's read of Brian)
KWhit
Jeff061

[Barkeep49]

Welcome to the afterlife Brian. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised with your stay here.

[Fouts]

Ok, only thing I can think of. We have a cursed that received the dreams.

[BrianD]

Welcome to the afterlife Brian. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised with your stay here.

After all my efforts the past few days.....I'm dead tired. :)

[jeff061]

Houston we have a problem. God damn I hope Fozzie was lying or we're in for a long day tomorrow.

And why is everyone so willing to take the Knights word for it? I guess it could be Kwitt, but I don't think so.

Knights could of been Hog and Deacon and LAthum was incorrect with his assesment or was just speculating.

[SirFozzie]

Ok, only thing I can think of. We have a cursed that received the dreams.

I doubt it. Was there any nokill werewolf nights?

[jeff061]

All of the remainders received dreams with the exception of Des and Swaggs, are we ready to take the plunge that wolves could of received these dreams?

[SirFozzie]

No..

Damnit, I hate this. This really smacks of metagaming, but hell.

If you don't lynch me, it has to be KWhit as the Brutal Wolf.

Why?

Jeff gave so many details about the dream before taking it down at Peregrine's request that EVERY detail was out there, right? And KWhit posted his stuff AFTER the Jeff things.

That's the only thing I can think of. I am honest to goodness stumped.

[SirFozzie]

Damnit no, that's no good. It still could be the knights, IF Airhog is being forced/random voting against them

We know NOTHING.

FUCK. I am confused.

[jeff061]

As I posted before, Kwit came to Tiger's defense speaking in very vague terms in day two. I am 100% confident he got them.

That and I believe Kwit didn't see it due to his reaction when being accused of seeing it, the fact it was up before 7 in the morning and that he posted it 7 hours later.

[SirFozzie]

As I posted before, Kwit came to Tiger's defense speaking in very vague terms in day two. I am 100% confident he got them.

Then the only people who didn't get dreams are the Knights, who we thought were cleared by Airhog.

[jeff061]

I never did.

[KWhit]

As I posted before, Kwit came to Tiger's defense speaking in very vague terms in day two. I am 100% confident he got them.
Exactly. Not only did I have the dream, but I used the information to push for people NOT to vote for Tigercat. This was before any dreams were shared by anyone and before I even knew that others were having the dream.

Think about it. I was trying to get people NOT to vote for Tigercat the day after I had that dream. That should absolutely prove that I am on the villagers' side.

It is one thing to have the dream, but I acted on it. Come on! I should be high on the list of those exonerated - not low!

[Fouts]

Let's see what the night brings.

[SirFozzie]

That and I believe Kwit didn't see it due to his reaction when being accused of seeing it, the fact is was up before 7 in the morning and that he posted it 7 hours later.

Ok.. If we believe the dream means villagers then we're down to this threat list.

Myself (again, the read of Brian should save me)
Desnudo (tag team. One then the other)
Swaggs

[SirFozzie]

I see all eight of us remaining are here.

Let's do it. That way Peregrine can get us going again.

Peregrine, if we all submitted Night actions, would you move us forward?

[Fouts]

Hmm, I just thought of something. Maybe there is a person who can view the dead, and another person who controls them. But whose side is the ghost controller on?

[Desnudo]

Damnit no, that's no good. It still could be the knights, IF Airhog is being forced/random voting against them

We know NOTHING.

FUCK. I am confused.

According to Tigercat, he knows for a fact that the ghosts are not being forced. Tigercat also confirmed Airhog was a knight. Knowing those two facts, why would Airhog not vote for me or Swaggs to call us out? You can maybe chalk it up to just being chaotic, but Airhog was a good character in life, and I believe he's enough of a role player to continue to play one in death.

Also, since Swaggs and I are confirming that the other is a knight also, do you really think there are two wolves left in the game? And that we would both throw our lot in together?

I have no idea who is who beyond Tigercat, Swaggs, and myself at this point. What that does mean that at least one of the dream receivers is either lying about receiving the dream, or is cursed.

[Desnudo]

Hmm, I just thought of something. Maybe there is a person who can view the dead, and another person who controls them. But whose side is the ghost controller on?

Tigercat has said that there is no controller and that the ghosts are acting on their own.

[SirFozzie]

The Controller would likely be a necromancer, no?

[SirFozzie]

*sighs*

God, what a mindfuck.

[Peregrine]

Peregrine, if we all submitted Night actions, would you move us forward?

I don't have a problem with that.

[KWhit]

That and I believe Kwit didn't see it due to his reaction when being accused of seeing it, the fact it was up before 7 in the morning and that he posted it 7 hours later.
Thank you. Anyone who thinks I saw the dream posted at 5:30-6:30 am can check the times of all my posts here at FOFC. Every last one of them - not just in this thread. I don't think I have ever in my life been on the computer (much less here playing werewolf) at such an early hour of the morning. I was alseep until about 6am, then in the shower, then in my car and on my way to work. I arrive at work between 7:30 -8:00 am eastern time and never get online before then. I definitely did not see the edited dream post.

[jeff061]

Tigercat said HE'S not the controller, I am quite sure. He has no idea why they are acting the way they are, they could be assigned a role post death or there could be another controller alive.

[KWhit]

But I don't know where we go from here. I think we should wait to see what role BrianD had. That should tell us plenty.

[Swaggs]

As my final defense of the knights, our goal was to destroy the Dark Pact, which I believe we have. As long as that is done, live or die, we were successful.

If Desnudo and I go on the chopping block for being evil, I would ask you to consider why we would associate with one another so easily if we both had something to hide?

I will be interested in seeing who the wolves target tonight.

[SirFozzie]

I don't have a problem with that.

Ok.. you have mine. I'm tired but I will try to check in once or twice before I go to bed.

[jeff061]

Tiger's not around by the way, and I'm probably only going to be around for another hour. So I think we should stretch this into tomorrow rather than rush a sticky situation.

[SirFozzie]

But I don't know where we go from here. I think we should wait to see what role BrianD had. That should tell us plenty.

Truth be told, I'm curious myself.

[KWhit]

... they could be assigned a role post death or there could be another controller alive.
I think that's what's happening. I don't think we can put any stock into how the ghosts are voting. Peregrine said that some ghosts will vote for their team, some against, and some chaotically.

[SirFozzie]

Tiger already stated who he was going to read, jeff. I guess it's NOT a foregone conclusion.. but yeah, that's cool.

[jeff061]

As my final defense of the knights, our goal was to destroy the Dark Pact, which I believe we have. As long as that is done, live or die, we were successful.

If Desnudo and I go on the chopping block for being evil, I would ask you to consider why we would associate with one another so easily if we both had something to hide?

I will be interested in seeing who the wolves target tonight.

It's more easy to believe in a pair of Knights than two "somethings". The biggest lies are the ones that get believed.

I have another idea, but i'll wait for the night actions.

[jeff061]

Yeah, if he gets all the night actions, by all means post the results :). I thought you wanted to rush the day actions.

[SirFozzie]

Yeah, if he gets all the night actions, by all means post the results :). I thought you wanted to rush the day actions.

Hell no. It's too much fun arguing during the day.

I just want to know where we stand :D

[Desnudo]

If you really want an interesting take. What if SirFozzie is the last remaining wolf and therefore can choose not to eat anyone, therefore making himself appear to be the doctor?

[Fouts]

I think that's what's happening. I don't think we can put any stock into how the ghosts are voting. Peregrine said that some ghosts will vote for their team, some against, and some chaotically.


Ghosts

The village you are in is extremely magical, and ghosts of people that die here seem attracted to it. There is one villager role who can intensify the ghostly essences, to the extent that they can communicate with the village in a limited way. While that villager is alive, ghosts can continue to vote for the daily lynching, however they cannot communicate in any other way. Also keep in mind that while some ghosts continue to vote as they would in life, to support their group or the village, others are angry at those that killed them, particularly the lynched ones, and they may vote to take revenge on those that killed them, innocent or not. Other ghosts may vote chaotically. If the villager who strengthens the ghosts is killed, they will be unable to vote after that point.

This describes the ghosts. I don't see anything about a ghost controller.

[Peregrine]

Most of you sleep peacefully after the lynching, it seems that the aura of fear over the village is definitely reduced tonight. Even better, when you wake up all of you are still alive! No one is even wounded!

Day 5

Eaglesfan27 - Lynched Day 2
ntndeacon - killed Night 1
BrianD - Lynched Day 4
Airhog - Lynched Day 1
TazFTW - killed Night 3
Desnudo
Fonzie
Qwikshot - killed by Barkeep on Day 3
Jeff061
SirFozzie
Barkeep49 - Lynched on Day 3
kingfc22 - killed on Night 2
Swaggs
Kwhit
Fouts
Tigercat
Lathum - killed on Night 2

Vote to lynch by 8 pm Monday

[TazFTW]

You're screwed.

[TazFTW]

dola

I vote Keyser Soze

[jeff061]

huh. Anyways.

If you really want an interesting take. What if SirFozzie is the last remaining wolf and therefore can choose not to eat anyone, therefore making himself appear to be the doctor?

We are not looking at hime, we are looking at the role of Brian.

[Swaggs]

Zoinks!

[Peregrine]

Just a note, Tigercat indicated he may be working tonight so I'm not sure if he'll be able to post anytime soon or not. Just to heighten the suspense just a bit more.

[Fouts]

Gonna wait for the role of Brian to be revealed. If the doctor did make a save, a person would have been injured.

[KWhit]

Now I'm really confused.

[jeff061]

Well if Brian = Doctor lynch Fozzie.
If not the Knights.

I guess, this was a rather worthless nighttime.

[Swaggs]

He said "no one is even wounded." That would indicate that there was no werewolf attack or that the bodyguard, if we have one, made a successful save. Or that there are no werewolves remaining.