Moderation Announcement

[Ben E Lou]

As has been mentioned elsewhere, this board has grown quite a bit, more than I'd realized. All I could say for sure is that I've been spending more time here than I'd like. In evaluating where we are at FOFC, a comment that I made myself, actually, made me realize that some restructuring might be a good thing. The comment was about the board's growth (Referenced [HERE] (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showpost.php?p=1071334&postcount=568)). Since Blackie turned this place over to me (sometime in 2002, I think), FOFC has grown substantially in membership and, more importantly, day-to-day activity quite a bit. To give some exact growth numbers, in the first few weeks of switching to vbulletin (late Jan. '03), we would get over 1,000 posts per day maybe once a week, and not even every single week, and had some weekends with fewer 400 posts per day. Now, we break 1,000 posts per day the majority of weekdays, and, other than right at Thanksgiving and Christmas (ranged from 398 to 488), we haven't been below 600 any given day since last summer.

In running a ministry for a while (and I'd imagine that this would apply in the business world as well, and I'm thinking at this board), I've learned that remaining healthy while sustaining growth usually requires some changes to be made, and restructuring to happen. I'm thinking that it is time for that at FOFC. I've established a group of people who will serve in two capacities:

1. Moderators: They'll handle less-than-two-week suspensions, thread closings, editings, moving threads from Archives to GD, etc.
2. Wisdom: sort of a "Council of Elders" if you will, with whom I consult before issuing a perma-ban or a longer-than-two-week suspension.

This group will probably operate under the following parameters (there may be some tweaks, but the general consensus so far is that these are pretty close)

Any moderator can issue a suspension of up to two weeks, or close a thread, as long as at least one other moderator or RyanS/SkyDog signs off on it. The logic behind this is simple: two weeks ain't that long, and I don't want to hold up the process of swift suspensions when threads turn into train wrecks by requiring a bunch of people's consent. It will be very rare that only one or zero of this group have been around. I've selected this group for this role because they've shown themselves, in my opinion, to be level-headed in terms of criticism of modding decisions (not that they've always agreed, but their criticisms have been respectful and not just trollish and/or grandstanding), and because I'm fairly certain all of them will honor my desire that we only mod when we feel we must.

A majority of this group's sign-off is required for 2-week to 3-month suspensions, and these CAN be extensions.In other words, Mod1 and Mod2 are online and some guy goes on a tirade, or posts an NSFW pic, or whatever. Mod1, with Mod2's approval, gives him 10 days in the box. We then have a discussion on a private forum that I've created of "should he be given longer than this?" If I'm thinking longer, and a majority of them agree with the time frame I'm thinking, that's what he gets. I'll modify the timeframe I'm thinking to get the majority. An addendum to this is this: if 3/4 of this group thinks the guy should get longer, he gets it, even if I disagree.

2/3 of this group's sign-off is required for suspensions of 3 months to 6 months. Same process as above, with the same 3/4 threshold for the group to issue a more harsh punishment than the one I'm suggesting.

3/4 approval required for bannings, with right for the banned to "go before the council" if a reinstatement is asked for 1 year later. Same process, with unanimous (including RyanS) threshold for them banning someone apart from my desire.

The only exceptions I can think of off the top of my head to the banning rules would be the two auto-ban situations:

1. suspended/banned individuals who register new accounts
2. "Dudez, nebody got ne registration codez u can give me?"

So far, the following people have accepted invitations to be a part of this group, and have been granted mod rights (in addition to RyanS and myself):

Blade6119
JeeberD
Ksyrup
QuikSand
TroyF
wade moore
WSUCougar

I am waiting to hear back from two others.

--Ben

[Joe]

can previously banned people go before this council for reinstatement?

[Poli]

Rats. I was sick during Hollywood week. I could have been a contender.

[Ben E Lou]

can previously banned people go before this council for reinstatement?We'll chew on that one. I just realized that we didn't state a reinstatement parameter yet.

[Blade6119]

We'll chew on that one. I just realized that we didn't state a reinstatement parameter yet.
Yes we did, you said they could after 1 year. I can quote it in the private forum if you want.

[Joe]

Yes we did, you said they could after 1 year. I can quote it in the private forum if you want.

The way I read it, the 1 year is for people that you guys ban. I am asking about people who have been banned previous to the announcement of these new moderators.

[Ben E Lou]

Yes we did, you said they could after 1 year. I can quote it in the private forum if you want.Yeah, one year, but we haven't talked about the process/voting percentage/etc.

[JPhillips]

Skydog: Good work. I've stayed out of mod discussions before because it didn't seem to make any difference. This is a good way to balance your beliefs with the growth of the community. I hope it also eases some of the burden you have had to carry.

[Blade6119]

Yeah, one year, but we haven't talked about the process/voting percentage/etc.
We can take this private it you would like, i felt comfortable it was 3/4 to overturn(same as a ban)...i felt that was fair. If you disagree, post here or in private

[JonInMiddleGA]

"An elephant is a mouse designed by a committee"
NFM.

[Crapshoot]

This does seem to be a good idea - kudos for recognizing the issues (the double standard for JIMGA as opposed to Bigglesworth notwithstanding).

[Celeval]

I move to name this group the Dark Jedi Council. All in favor?

[Cuckoo]

Hmm... my initial reaction is that this may turn out to be worse than before. I'll wait to see, of course, and I didn't always agree with SD's decisions/actions, but this looks like a recipe for disaster.

I'll probably be in the minority with that opinion, though.

[gstelmack]

I think this is a great idea.

[JeeberD]

Quiet, Cuckoo. You just know that I'm gonna box you every time something goes wrong for my Titans... ;)

[RendeR]

Awe man......I didn't get an invite???


:)

[MizzouRah]

Don't box me for my hatred of the Astros. :)

Sounds like a good idea to me... but for Shorty I have to say, "fucking elitists".

[Cuckoo]

Quiet, Cuckoo. You just know that I'm gonna box you every time something goes wrong for my Titans... ;)

Hahaha... I didn't even think of that. Now I hate the idea even more. Jeeber's such a dictator sometimes... :D

[Franklinnoble]

Hmm... Coincidence?????

[Huckleberry]

I assume my lack of an invite was an oversight. Not a good start for the committee. ;)

More seriously, good luck to everyone. I'm a moderator on HornFans.com which has significantly more traffic than this forum. I do not envy you the headaches you will have.

[VPI97]

Hmm... my initial reaction is that this may turn out to be worse than before. I'll wait to see, of course, and I didn't always agree with SD's decisions/actions, but this looks like a recipe for disaster.

I'll probably be in the minority with that opinion, though.FWIW, I agree with you.

[WSUCougar]

Don't box me for my hatred of the Astros.
I got your back.

Cuckoo and VPI, if you could, can you elaborate on your concerns re: "recipe for disaster?" I'd like to hear them (PM them if you'd rather).

[Coder]

This looks like a very good setup to me. Great decision. :)

[MizzouRah]

I got your back.

Cuckoo and VPI, if you could, can you elaborate on your concerns re: "recipe for disaster?" I'd like to hear them (PM them if you'd rather).
I knew I could count on you! Which Cardinals game did you want to go to? :D

[Coder]

Hmm... Coincidence?????

Maybe, but on the other hand, as much as I sometimes get frustrated with Ben's decisions as a moderator, this is the place I want to be at. I don't want to go to another board, I want to stay here.

Banning is harsh, and by having a group of people vote on a banning, an individual's personal feelings towards a person won't affect the decision as much.

[Blade6119]

I knew I could count on you! Which Cardinals game did you want to go to? :D
Uh-oh for chicago/HOUSTON fans. WSU and i are both die hard st. louis fans...

UNRELATED: WHO HERE IS A CUBS/ASTROS FAN???

;)

[JeeberD]

I got your back.


Gah! I forgot that I was going to have to work with a Cards fan... :mad:

At least Coug has one redeeming quality, though. He's a CMP fan. :)

[rkmsuf]

Can't call him Kickstand anymore.

[JeeberD]

UNRELATED: WHO HERE IS AN ASTROS FAN???

;)

Bring it, Junior... :p

[saldana]

an excellent decision...i think it will work out extremely well....props SD

[NoMyths]

Sounds like a good decision, Ben.

[Anthony]

Hmm... my initial reaction is that this may turn out to be worse than before. I'll wait to see, of course, and I didn't always agree with SD's decisions/actions, but this looks like a recipe for disaster.

I'll probably be in the minority with that opinion, though.

i agree. i know where the line is when SD is in charge, but i don't know how itchy a trigger finger these other guys will have. at least the decisions will be via committee. i think SD has taken a lot of shit for too long so this should spread out some of the blame and criticism.

[Poli]

I knew I could count on you! Which Cardinals game did you want to go to? :DAm I chopped liver?

[JeeberD]

Am I chopped liver?

Damn, it's scary how many Cards fans I consider my friend... :(

[John Galt]

I think this is a good idea for everyone involved.

[Franklinnoble]

I just find it a little too convenient that two days after I start an alternative board, invite others to mod, and name JeeberD a mod, Ben makes the first major moderating change around here in YEARS...



...Including trying to pilfer Jeebs from me. Is there a poster's union where I can file a grievance? I say this is tampering, dammit! ;)

[gstelmack]

i know where the line is when SD is in chargeActually, one of the reasons I'm whole-hog for this is that I no longer know where SkyDog's line is. I used to know, and I've applauded most of his decisions in the past, but there have been recent incidents where I've agreed more with the mob here. And so I think this is a great step forward for the board, and kudos to SkyDog for being willing to share some of the responsibility of keeping this thing running like the well-oiled machine that it is.

[PackerFanatic]

I haven't been here quite as long as a lot of you guys, but I still very much enjoy it and I think this is a good direction for the forum to go. Good luck SD and everyone involved :)

[JeeberD]

...Including trying to pilfer Jeebs from me. Is there a poster's union where I can file a grievance? I say this is tampering, dammit! ;)

Hey man, I'm still gonna mod over at your board. As long as you'll still have me, that is.

[digamma]

I think this is largely a good idea, and I hope the change is positive for the board. A sincere wish of good luck in implementing the new process.

[JPhillips]

Franklin: So? Isn't the goal for all of us to have a board that is more judicious in its policies? I have no idea if your board played a role in this, but either way you should be happy with the results.

[KWhit]

I just find it a little too convenient that two days after I start an alternative board, invite others to mod, and name JeeberD a mod, Ben makes the first major moderating change around here in YEARS...



...Including trying to pilfer Jeebs from me. Is there a poster's union where I can file a grievance? I say this is tampering, dammit! ;)
I would be surprised if Skydog thought your board was going to impact the traffic at FOFC or the quality of this community.

[Cuckoo]

Cuckoo and VPI, if you could, can you elaborate on your concerns re: "recipe for disaster?" I'd like to hear them (PM them if you'd rather).

Sure, and I don't mind posting them here. I'll go into more detail when I have a bit more time if someone else doesn't articulate similar feelings to mine before I get a chance.

But simply put, this seems to create a bureaucracy. While there will be more "hands on deck" to deal with issues as they arrive, the number of "administrators" may, in fact, reduce the effectiveness of the moderating here. And this is not even to mention how this changes the dynamics between these individuals and the rest of the community. I worry about disagreements amongst the group about particular forum members, disagreements that may hinge on political allegiances or different attitudes about what's acceptable and what's not. And I worry about that reaching a point where nothing gets done, and when it does, it is not swift or effective.

I can see what it's trying to accomplish, not the least of which is probably SkyDog not having to feel like he's constantly assaulted by those that disagree with him. But that won't change. It'll only shift that assault to a body rather than an individual, and it may shift the reasons for the assault.

Like I said, I know that many will disagree with me. And you honestly don't need to try to explain why you guys think it'll work. I think I have a pretty good handle on your intentions, and I think they're noble. I just think the potential for problems with more moderators far outweighs the potential for problems with one.

[Ben E Lou]

I just find it a little too convenient that two days after I start an alternative board, invite others to mod, and name JeeberD a mod, Ben makes the first major moderating change around here in YEARS...



...Including trying to pilfer Jeebs from me. Is there a poster's union where I can file a grievance? I say this is tampering, dammit! ;)PM sent, but believe me, this had nothing to do with that. I've been feeling the tension of needing to spend more time here than I'd like, and when I stayed up past midnight a few nights ago (which I VERY rarely do) dealing with FOFC stuff, I realized that something needed to change. Then, I had the real epiphany that I linked to above regarding how much this place HAS grown since The Sideline and even since the UBB days, and was still being run basically the same way The Sideline was run. Restructuring is often needed for smart growth, and this was a long time overdue.


Besides, it's not like I was shaking in my boots about people deserting FOFC for another board. HA's alternate board didn't exactly fly, now did it? ;)

[VPI97]

Valid points that I agree with.I sent a PM, but I can share, as well....

I just have a philosophical belief that committees deter action. I think it's a good idea to have more mods, but I believe in giving those mods full authority to make decisive action without needing to sign off with someone else before doing anything. If you've [SD] made good choices in deciding who to give rights to, there shouldn't be any need to have them explain their actions in regards to every decision they make...by virtue of being a mod, they should already have full confidence in themselves (and from you) that they are trusted in regards to how they'll handle things.

Let them do what they think is right and every few months review the actions they have taken, at that point swap them out with someone else, if need be. It just been my experience that if you have to have a consultation with someone else (or a group) before something is done, then very little gets done.<!-- / message --><!-- sig -->

[Coffee Warlord]

Jeeber's in power now? Good lord, this place has gone to hell. :)

[Ben E Lou]

I can see what it's trying to accomplish, not the least of which is probably SkyDog not having to feel like he's constantly assaulted by those that disagree with him. But that won't change. It'll only shift that assault to a body rather than an individual, and it may shift the reasons for the assault.To be clear, that's not a reason, either. I didn't mind the assauts one bit. Heck, I found most of 'em pretty humorous. :p It was the amount of time that modding decisions and both private and public post-decision discussions were taking that precipitated this change.

[JPhillips]

VP: But that can't work for bannings. It should be a slow and tedious process to eliminate someone from the community. I know I'd much rather have someone banned too late than too early. This is just a message board afterall. What can someone do here that really hurts me? Hell, I can put people on ignore if I don't want to deal with them.

I doubt my enjoyment of FOFC would be impacted much at all if Horns, Skippy, Capiscum and/or Jesse were still members. I have a thick enough skin that none of them can really bothre me.

[Joe]

can one of the new mods give JB his edit button back???

[Cuckoo]

To be clear, that's not a reason, either. I didn't mind the assauts one bit. Heck, I found most of 'em pretty humorous. :p It was the amount of time that modding decisions and both private and public post-decision discussions were taking that precipitated this change.

Fair enough. But I think those two are related. How much time did you spend reading the threads that were nothing but bitch-fests about decisions you've made? I would be surprised if you didn't feel at least a little weight lifted that you won't have to deal with those as much. I've disagreed with some of your decisions, SD, and I may have even commented on them (short and sweet for me usually), but I would never envy having to come to the board to that so frequently.

[JeeberD]

can one of the new mods give JB his edit button back???

Doubtful. Heck, I can't even figure out how to box someone yet. :(

[Raiders Army]

Interesting developments. Too bad no Solecismic news.

[VPI97]

Doubtful. Heck, I can't even figure out how to box someone yet. :($5 says that Jeeber accidentally boxes himself before the day is done.

:)

[WSUCougar]

Would that be considered moderation masturbation?

[albionmoonlight]

I would hope that most of the modding is done silently and behind the scenes. The more it gets out in the open, the more people will start to think that this board is a democracy (blessedly not true) or that "Mod X does not like me and he's the reason . . ."

The less we see behind the curtain--or are even aware that a curtain exists, the less likely we will have those melodramatic threads about modding decisions.

Good luck, gang.

[Anthony]

Hey man, I'm still gonna mod over at your board. As long as you'll still have me, that is.

no offense, but are you unemployed? just curious. :)

[vtbub]

Correct call here.

[Franklinnoble]

For the record... I applaud the decision, and I think it will improve things around here. I'm not narcissistic enough to presume my crummy little board had anything to do with it.

But I still think I have a solid point on the Jeebs thing. ;)

[Ben E Lou]

Doubtful. Heck, I can't even figure out how to box someone yet. :(Shoot. I need to tell y'all how to do that. Thanks for the reminder. :p

[KWhit]

We'll see how this works, but initially I have my doubts. My fear is that because more people have the right to suspend someone, more suspensions/banning will take place. Maybe I'm wrong and this won't change FOFC a bit, but I hope it doesn't become a more restrictive place.

[Ben E Lou]

But I still think I have a solid point on the Jeebs thing. ;):D

Wouldn't YOU want someone who posts in as many and varied threads as JeeberD to help keep an official watchful eye? ;)

[JonInMiddleGA]

FWIW, I agree with you.

Maybe we should form a commitee?
;)

[EagleFan]

(suck up)
Jeeber, did I mention my recent conversion to Cowboyism? ;)
(/suck up)

[RendeR]

:D

Wouldn't YOU want someone who posts in as many and varied threads as JeeberD to help keep an official watchful eye? ;)
Yes, but come on, a DALLAS fan? I just don't trust his judgement!

[TroyF]

I sent a PM, but I can share, as well....

I just have a philosophical belief that committees deter action. I think it's a good idea to have more mods, but I believe in giving those mods full authority to make decisive action without needing to sign off with someone else before doing anything. If you've [SD] made good choices in deciding who to give rights to, there shouldn't be any need to have them explain their actions in regards to every decision they make...by virtue of being a mod, they should already have full confidence in themselves (and from you) that they are trusted in regards to how they'll handle things.

Let them do what they think is right and every few months review the actions they have taken, at that point swap them out with someone else, if need be. It just been my experience that if you have to have a consultation with someone else (or a group) before something is done, then very little gets done.<!-- / message --><!-- sig -->

I don't see the committee in this case as being something where our hands will be tied. There are certain things we can do instantly. If I see a NSFW image, I can take care of that instantly.

Any other decision required one person approval to start with. I don't think that's unreasonable or something that will cause lockup.

[Daimyo]

I think it would be more efficient if any moderator could take any action on his own without needing any signoff, but there was a mechanism by which any other mod could call for a vote and that action could be overturned by enough votes of the other mods (with the number determined by the severity of the mod action taken). Of course you'd want it to all be handled privately so that the mods could present a unified front to the public, but I think you'd accomplish your stated goals more efficiently that way.

[Anthony]

We'll see how this works, but initially I have my doubts. My fear is that because more people have the right to suspend someone, more suspensions/banning will take place. Maybe I'm wrong and this won't change FOFC a bit, but I hope it doesn't become a more restrictive place.

that too.

oh well, its been done. i doubt this will have a negative impact. most of this is just discussing the *possibilities* for what can go wrong. i'll chime in once i feel this isn't a good setup. i'm sure it will be beneficial for the community.

[Coffee Warlord]

(suck up)
Jeeber, did I mention my recent conversion to Cowboyism? ;)
(/suck up)

BOX HIM! BOX HIM!

[Senator]

I will not accept a banning from any of those individuals listed.

[Ben E Lou]

that too.

oh well, its been done. i doubt this will have a negative impact. most of this is just discussing the *possibilities* for what can go wrong. i'll chime in once i feel this isn't a good setup. i'm sure it will be beneficial for the community.Thanks for giving it a shot. Keep in mind, I'm still the HNIC, and reserve the right to say, "Well, that was a STUPID idea, Ben!" :p

[Cuckoo]

"Mod X does not like me and he's the reason . . ."


Don't you think this is inevitable? I feel like I "know" many of these guys (as much as you can on a messageboard, after all), and my instinct tells me they're going to be good, even-handed guys. But even so, this can only expand the possibility of the personal opinion-motivated moderating complaint seen with SkyDog a couple of times.

I should point out that I'm not trying to be adversarial. In fact, I have high hopes this improves the situation. It's just that my gut tells me there are more possibilities for problems under this system.

[Daimyo]

But even so, this can only expand the possibility of the personal opinion-motivated moderating complaint seen with SkyDog a couple of times.
You could view it as there being more people to make bad decisions or you could view it as lessoning the ability of any single mod to make a bad decision. Personally I see a lot of potential for the latter and hope it goes that way, but of course that is pretty much entirely up to SkyDog.

[hoosiergoody]

can one of the new mods give JB his edit button back???


http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/2203/edit9cg.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

:D :cool:

[gstelmack]

$5 says that Jeeber accidentally boxes himself before the day is done.

:)Note to self: never take a drink of something while reading FOFC. Never take a drink of something while reading FOFC. Never take a drink of something while reading FOFC...

I almost ruined a perfectly good 21" monitor when I read this reply http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[NoMyths]

Note to self: never take a drink of something while reading FOFC. Never take a drink of something while reading FOFC. Never take a drink of something while reading FOFC...

I almost ruined a perfectly good 21" monitor when I read this reply http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/images/smilies/biggrin.gifWhat the hell did you take a drink of, hydrochloric acid?

[st.cronin]

What the hell did you take a drink of, hydrochloric acid?

I actually did drink some hydrochloric acid the other day.

[Dutch]

I like the idea because it spreads the workload around quite a bit. I don't like the idea because I think we have had it pretty good under Skydog (all in all) and now we are moving away from that in favor of something different.

On a scale of 1-10, Skydog as a moderator was about a 9. So the chances of this moderate by committee being as good as that are unlikely. In my opinion.

But good luck not screwing up a good thing. :)

[st.cronin]

dola

I guess, with that admission, I'll never be asked to be a mod.

[Franklinnoble]

:D

Wouldn't YOU want someone who posts in as many and varied threads as JeeberD to help keep an official watchful eye? ;)Yes... that's EXACTLY why I made him a mod at the other board.

Before you made him a mod here. Just for the record. ;)

[Poli]

St.cronin, have faith. Jeeber's a mod.

[st.cronin]

St.cronin, have faith. Jeeber's a mod.

that's an excellent point

[JeeberD]

St.cronin, have faith. Jeeber's a mod.

Banned!

[Flasch186]

are Pol threads the same as in the past or do I have to start talking righty?

[Poli]

I can't wait to make my spoof IDs.

JeeberA
JeeberB
JeeberC
JeeberDA
JeeberD1
JeeberD.
JeeberD!

[JonInMiddleGA]

are Pol threads the same as in the past or do I have to start talking righty?

Maybe he shoulda just made me & you the mods, with the stipulation that we have to both agree on any action taken ;)

[Dutch]

Maybe he shoulda just made me & you the mods, with the stipulation that we have to both agree on any action taken ;)
Anarchy!

[Antmeister]

Okay, I have to give SkyDog props. While I am not sure how the new format will work, I do agree that a change was needed. If this doesn't work out, I hope he tries to come up with a solution that will be good for the community as a whole. This is a good step.

[EagleFan]

Banned!


Once you figure it out, that is.... ;)

[TroyF]

Okay, I have to give SkyDog props. While I am not sure how the new format will work, I do agree that a change was needed. If this doesn't work out, I hope he tries to come up with a solution that will be good for the community as a whole. This is a good step.



If it doesn't work out, Flere can make a diagram and you can make a song parody. It'll be worth some humor anyway.

Unless Jeeber bans you or flere first.

[Godzilla Blitz]

Okay, I have to give SkyDog props. While I am not sure how the new format will work, I do agree that a change was needed. If this doesn't work out, I hope he tries to come up with a solution that will be good for the community as a whole. This is a good step.

I agree strongly with this.

One of the reasons that I have not posted much of late was my difficulty in understanding and accepting the legitimacy of some of the bannings. I simply felt that many of them seemed unfair, and they really bothered me. The subsequent explanations seemed to make me feel even worse about the situation. Somehow I felt that posting at FOFC condoned the moderation decisions, and so I cut back. After the latest banning, I was pretty much set to not post at all from now on.

This changes things completely, however.

I think a move to a situation with more moderators is both necessary and good. The current proposal may need tweaking as things move on, but it is definitely a step in the right direction.

Good move, SkyDog. Very honorable.

[SackAttack]

Works for me.

[path12]

I would hope that most of the modding is done silently and behind the scenes. The more it gets out in the open, the more people will start to think that this board is a democracy (blessedly not true) or that "Mod X does not like me and he's the reason . . ."

The less we see behind the curtain--or are even aware that a curtain exists, the less likely we will have those melodramatic threads about modding decisions.

Good luck, gang.

I couldn't agree more with this comment and think it is extremely important for ultimate success.

I support the change. Not that it matters.

[CamEdwards]

I've got mixed feelings about this, but I can't wait to see Blade box SkyDog the next time he uses the word "faggoty". :)

[flere-imsaho]

http://kamilewicz.org/albums/misc/nm1.gif

http://kamilewicz.org/albums/misc/nm2.gif

http://kamilewicz.org/albums/misc/nm3.gif

http://kamilewicz.org/albums/misc/nm4.gif

[st.cronin]

ROFL

[WSUCougar]

Gold

[st.cronin]

Quicksand needs that as his avatar, stat.

[EagleFan]

rofl

[gstelmack]

And flere is back! Nice job!

[Crapshoot]

Seriously,
make Flere the moderator... :D

[VPI97]

LOLI just peed my pants.

[JeeberD]

:D

[KWhit]

Hey Jeebs, can we have avatars now?

Please!





:D

[Antmeister]

You are frickin quick flere. Since you hadn't posted a flere pic in a while, I was getting worried. But now I am relieved you have graced us with the golden post.

:D :D :D

[JeeberD]

Hey Jeebs, can we have avatars now?

Please!





:D

Hmmm...I see something on the control panel about editing avatars. I think I'm going to give myself one just for the heck of it.

The rest of you have to earn one. ;)

[WSUCougar]

Hmmm...I see something on the control panel about editing avatars. I think I'm going to give myself one just for the heck of it.
Yeah, I got it right here. I'll sneak it into your profile during those 8 minutes and 37 seconds that you're not logged in here. :D

http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com/memorial/stl/cards_165x150.JPG

[KWhit]

Hmmm...I see something on the control panel about editing avatars. I think I'm going to give myself one just for the heck of it.

The rest of you have to earn one. ;)
That's not fair! In that case, UTEP and Shiner sucks.

:mad:

[TroyF]

That's not fair! In that case, UTEP and Shiner sucks.

:mad:



Sigh. . . I dind't figure KWhit would be the first to be banned. Oh well.

[JeeberD]

In that case, UTEP and Shiner sucks.


Banned!

Man, you guys sure are slow learners... :D

[WSUCougar]

Banned!

Man, you guys sure are slow learners... :D
Unbanned!

Ha-HA! KWhit falls under the other-IHOF-team-owners-with-bird-nicknames exemption. Neener neener, Jeeber.

[JeeberD]

But wouldn't a Condor eat an Osprey? I don't think that KWhit would have extended you the same courtesy...

[JonInMiddleGA]

Once they've all figured out how to use the mod control panel, who's up for a pool on which mod bans which other mod first?

[Subby]

flerediagramcrying... :D

[DanGarion]

I see pluses and minuses to this system. For one doing this can create a "clique" mentality between the mods, a "I have the power" feeling. This can cause major problems with the boards dynamics if they start bragging and spreading that mentality when they make any of their posts. People that feel they should have been included in this group may start to resent those that are part of it and feel they have a need to speak out against them at any time.

I've seen this happen on my own board that I run when I got a couple mods. Those that thought they put the time in and deserved to be a mod started bitching and complaining and put anyone that was a mod (including myself) under a microscope, to where the mods felt like they were walking on eggshells to prevent major disruptions.

Although as being someone that has been in Skydogs shoes I completly understand and commend him for making a decision like this and look forward to seeing how it goes.

I know I've questioned some of these recent bannings, and hopefully now clearer minds will prevail (since you won't have as much pressure just on you to make a decision).

[KWhit]

Unbanned!

Ha-HA! KWhit falls under the other-IHOF-team-owners-with-bird-nicknames exemption. Neener neener, Jeeber.
Whew, thanks!

I almost had to resort to running over to the FN's FOF2 board and start complaining! Then I realized Jeeber was a mod there too!!!! What would I have done? www.deanhouston.whatever (http://www.deanhouston.whatever)? Nope, it's deader than HA's chances at IHOF reinstatement!!! I figured I'd have to just go back to concentrating on work! Oh the humanity!

[Subby]

I am waiting to hear back from two others. --BenFive bucks says chubby and jb turn you down.

[Franklinnoble]

Five bucks says chubby and jb turn you down.I wonder... was Solecismic offerred a mod post?

[EagleFan]

I wonder... was Solecismic offerred a mod post?

He's got a game to make, can't spend his time moderating a board. Get back to work Jim!!!! :D

[KWhit]

Five bucks says chubby and jb turn you down.
1st alternate: Daivd Winter!

[Swaggs]

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http://kamilewicz.org/albums/misc/nm3.gif

http://kamilewicz.org/albums/misc/nm4.gif

I'm not sure about these changes, but damn this is some fine work.

Well done. :)

[Silver Owl]

Who is going to stand up for the < 250 post group.

Dammit, we are people too !!! We need representation.

[GoldenEagle]

Jeebs has been to the box like 2 times. How does he get to be a mod?

[JeeberD]

I'm not sure about these changes...


Well, I was gonna allow you to have Miss WVU as your avatar here...

[Fonzie]

I think a move to a situation with more moderators is both necessary and good. The current proposal may need tweaking as things move on, but it is definitely a step in the right direction.

Good move, SkyDog. Very honorable.

Seconded. Nicely done, SkyDog.

[Blade6119]

I've got mixed feelings about this, but I can't wait to see Blade box SkyDog the next time he uses the word "faggoty". :)
After looking around at my tools, im supremely confident a banning of skydog should occur in a short time. :)


SERIOUS:I intend to work hard to ensure this goes as smoothly as possible. I joke a lot, but im taking this quite seriously(as are the others). If you read the last few threads about modding, i havent exactly been Skydogs biggest fan on some decisions. But i think he picked a group that has people on all sides. He has people who are quick to punish and cautious to, always posting or strong silent type. And he has some from his side of things(in general) and the other side of things. And i think the new system of a suspension(if another agrees) then discuss longer suspension/ban or no punishment is great. It serves as a quick response to situations while preventing a hasty ban. From speaking with the others privately already i know this will require all of our efforts, but it seems to me they are willing. Obviously i cant show you what we have discussed, but coming from someone who hasnt loved some mod decisions recently i think it is going supremely well...regardless of which side your on. I hope i can best serve the forum in accepting this position, and any concerns you have are appeased over time. But so far i am very suprised at how much i like the direction the group is taking.

[JonInMiddleGA]

But i think he picked a group that has people on all sides.


At the risk of repeating myself ... an elephant is a mouse designed by commitee.

(FTR, I know there's at least one other variation of the quote, but I prefer this one as I believe it's the most recognized).

I say it again because I am hoping against hope that each & every member of "The Mod Squad" will "Learn it. Know it. Live it. "

[Swaggs]

Well, I was gonna allow you to have Miss WVU as your avatar here...

I don't think I could handle losing her again. :(

[sabotai]

Maybe we should form a commitee?
;)It does seem to be the trendy thing to do these days.

I would suggest, however, forming a commitee to determine the members of the commitee. And then having a commitee regularly review the actions of the committee.

[Blade6119]

At the risk of repeating myself ... an elephant is a mouse designed by commitee.

(FTR, I know there's at least one other variation of the quote, but I prefer this one as I believe it's the most recognized).

I say it again because I am hoping against hope that each & every member of "The Mod Squad" will "Learn it. Know it. Live it. "
Im not familiar with the quote...are you implying greed and power corrupts?

[Swaggs]

By the way, I think Ben is dropping the ball big time here.

This would have been a great opportunity to have a FOFC Idol/Survivor contest.

[Raiders Army]

Jeebs has been to the box like 2 times. How does he get to be a mod?
IIRC, both times were unintentional linking and he took care of it pretty quickly.

[Raiders Army]

Dola,
By the way, I think Ben is dropping the ball big time here.

This would have been a great opportunity to have a FOFC Idol/Survivor contest.
Agreed.

[Tigercat]

Who is going to stand up for the < 250 post group.

Dammit, we are people too !!! We need representation.

Go back to obscurity Rhode Island. :)

[JeeberD]

IIRC, both times were unintentional linking and he took care of it pretty quickly.

The first time it was the Jessica Simpson bikini gif that got me boxed. The second time it was the stupid smiley that switched to tubgirl... :mad:

[Icy]

Good move, this board is a big community and i'm happy to see more members taking part on the decisions. I never had any problem with moderation myself and i doubt i will in the future no matter who is the mod, but i'm happy with the decision.

Congrats FN, i also think that your action helped to this decision.
A revolution attempt made possible a change in the board gobernment, take a look at how most of the modern democracies started, this board is a perfect social experiment on a lot of ways. :)

[Antmeister]

What I don't quite understand is why Blade6119 and JeeberD have modding abilities. Not a knock on these guys, but they wouldn't be my first choice as moderators. The others I do get. Blade6119 seems like the type that may overreact way too quickly and JeeberD wouldn't even attempt to suspend/ban anyone.

Just my take, but I am actually excited to see how this play out. Like TroyF said before, a bad situation would make for a great parody song and it already inspired flere to create a masterpiece.

[Schmidty]

BLADE is a moderator.

Holy fucking shit. Unbelievable.

[KWhit]

BLADE is a moderator.

Holy fucking shit. Unbelievable.
Quoted for posterity.

[GoldenEagle]

I think Blade6119 surprised me the most. I am also thinking the other two outstanding invitations are EaglesFan27 (who would be a great choice) and Frogman. If I had to pick a couple of moderators I would like to see, those two would be at the top of the list.

My only knock with EaglesFan27 is that his dynasty posts are short.

[Blade6119]

What I don't quite understand is why Blade6119 and JeeberD have modding abilities. Not a knock on these guys, but they wouldn't be my first choice as moderators. The others I do get. Blade6119 seems like the type that may overreact way too quickly and JeeberD wouldn't even attempt to suspend/ban anyone.

Just my take, but I am actually excited to see how this play out. Like TroyF said before, a bad situation would make for a great parody song and it already inspired flere to create a masterpiece.
I think you answered your own question. I think we were brought in to represent the far sides, while most like quik and troy are in the middle...kinda like the supreme court. Except i havent made up my mind about anything yet.

And im far more likely to complain about things(like the gay comments or my disdain for schmidty) then to take mod actions. Schmidty is as safe as everyone, and the gay thing is just a preference. As a mod i have to be level headed, where before i could do whatever i wanted. I hope i come to make you happy. And i just caught kwhits quote of schmidtys comment... im glad to see hes happy for me...

[Raiders Army]

What I don't quite understand is why Blade6119 and JeeberD have modding abilities. Not a knock on these guys, but they wouldn't be my first choice as moderators. The others I do get. Blade6119 seems like the type that may overreact way too quickly and JeeberD wouldn't even attempt to suspend/ban anyone.

Just my take, but I am actually excited to see how this play out. Like TroyF said before, a bad situation would make for a great parody song and it already inspired flere to create a masterpiece.
Maybe that's why they were selected? To represent those "parts" of FOFC? I'm not trying to get in SkyDog's head, but I would want all interests of FOFC represented for a "committee" of sorts. I know someone will quote me and find a flaw in this logic by saying, "Why aren't the assholes represented? What about the women vote?"

[KWhit]

And i just caught kwhits quote of schmidtys comment... im glad to see hes happy for me...
What do you mean by that?

[Blade6119]

What do you mean by that?
schmidty, not you...schmidty is on my ignore list, so i couldnt see his post till you quoted

[illinifan999]

DO IT

[Antmeister]

I think Blade6119 surprised me the most. I am also thinking the other two outstanding invitations are EaglesFan27 (who would be a great choice) and Frogman. If I had to pick a couple of moderators I would like to see, those two would be at the top of the list.

My only knock with EaglesFan27 is that his dynasty posts are short.


I like both of these choices and wonder if these are the two other people SkyDog is waiting on a response from.

[KWhit]

schmidty, not you...schmidty is on my ignore list, so i couldnt see his post till you quoted
Ah. It's going to be kind of hard to mod if you have people on your ignore list, isn't it?

[Blade6119]

Ah. It's going to be kind of hard to mod if you have people on your ignore list, isn't it?
Hes the only one on there(or ever has been), and ive stated its temporary(though as a mod i can click 1 button and see it regardless)...he will be off in a few days. And hes not a person im worried about currently needing mod oversight

[JeeberD]

JeeberD wouldn't even attempt to suspend/ban anyone.

Just my take, but I am actually ex

Trust me, there have been plenty of times where I've wanted someone boxed and/or banned...


BLADE is a moderator.

Holy fucking shit. Unbelievable.


I knew you would like that. You must have missed my post in the WW thread... ;)

[Schmidty]

I just don't get the reasoning for Blade to be a mod. I will say this: I would never want to be a mod, as I don't fit the mold, but sincerely don't think Blade does either. As many times as I've seen him get emotional (as I do too), act childishly, insult people, etc., I think he is an EXTREMELY poor choice for a mod.

Everyone else, I whole-heartedly agree with being put in as mods.

Anyway, I will try to bury my vendetta with him, but I will certainly not kiss his ass if he starts to throw his "power" around (which I fully expect to happen).

[Schmidty]

I knew you would like that. You must have missed my post in the WW thread... ;)

Iget the comment now, but I think it's ludicrous to put him in power.

[Franklinnoble]

I would be shocked... SHOCKED, I say.... if Fritz is not offered a Mod position.

[JeeberD]

Prepare to be shocked.

[Dutch]

Dear Skydog,

Did you send your invitation for me to be a mod through PM or E-mail because I didn't get it yet.

Thanks,
Dutch

PS - I already have my list of who I need to ban ready to go...just need rights. k thx.

:)

[Butter]

At the risk of repeating myself ... an elephant is a mouse designed by commitee.

Repeat it a few more times, because I still don't know what the heck it's supposed to mean.

[Blade6119]

I just don't get the reasoning for Blade to be a mod. I will say this: I would never want to be a mod, as I don't fit the mold, but sincerely don't think Blade does either. As many times as I've seen him get emotional (as I do too), act childishly, insult people, etc., I think he is an EXTREMELY poor choice for a mod.

Everyone else, I whole-heartedly agree with being put in as mods.

Anyway, I will try to bury my vendetta with him, but I will certainly not kiss his ass if he starts to throw his "power" around (which I fully expect to happen).
I removed ya from my ignore list to mod and to respond to this. I whole heartedly think i was chosen based off a PM conversation Skydog and i had over the jesse/joninthemiddleGA/chubby fiasco. We had a faily long conversation discussing the issues(respectfully) and i think that earned a level of respect from him. I expected you not to like it, but ive already stated my personal feelings against you will have no effect on my modding. And i hope i can prove you wrong on the power thing...either way, i hope you come to appreciate me as a mod(like you came to appreciated my GM thread after not liking it at first)

[Antmeister]

Maybe that's why they were selected? To represent those "parts" of FOFC? I'm not trying to get in SkyDog's head, but I would want all interests of FOFC represented for a "committee" of sorts. I know someone will quote me and find a flaw in this logic by saying, "Why aren't the assholes represented? What about the women vote?"

I sort of get it, but I would also want someone who is capable of modding. Blade6119 appears to get emotional at times (not a bad quality), and I don't want him to make irrational decisiosn because of how he feels at any given time.

That was my complaint with SkyDog at certain times. At times, I felt that he just wasn't in a good mood and banished someone for it. Now this didn't happen all that often, but I can see it happening with most decisions with Blade, but I could be wrong.

JeeberD, in my opinion, seems like he will flow with what the popular opinion about a person is. In other words, I don't think he will do anything unless the community all have a similar opinion about a particular person. But who knows, I never seen him in this type of capacity and I could be wrong, but this is how I feel at the moment.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Im not familiar with the quote...are you implying greed and power corrupts?

No, not at all.

The reference is an old one (at least it's as old as I am, cause I remember hearing it pretty much my whole life). It refers to the tendency for commitee's to either:
a) to keep adding parts/factors/considerations in the interest of keeping everyone happy, but at the expense of completely wrecking the efficiency/ purpose of the original mission.

And/Or

b) suffer from "paralysis by analysis", where there's too much discussion and virtually no action

(The alternate form, at least the one I've seen, goes "A giraffe is a horse designed by commitee. An elephant is a mouse designed to government specifications.")

[KWhit]

I sort of get it, but I would also want someone who is capable of modding. Blade6119 appears to get emotional at times....
Understatement of the year.

[Schmidty]

I removed ya from my ignore list to mod and to respond to this. I whole heartedly think i was chosen based off a PM conversation Skydog and i had over the jesse/joninthemiddleGA/chubby fiasco. We had a faily long conversation discussing the issues(respectfully) and i think that earned a level of respect from him. I expected you not to like it, but ive already stated my personal feelings against you will have no effect on my modding. And i hope i can prove you wrong on the power thing...either way, i hope you come to appreciate me as a mod(like you came to appreciated my GM thread after not liking it at first)

All I can say is this: If you treat me with respect, I will treat you with respect; however, if you do some of the things you've done in the past, I will certainly not kiss your butt just because you're a mod.

I'm ready to bury the hatchet, but don't fuck with me. :)

[Antmeister]

...I'm ready to bury the hatchet, but don't fuck with me...

Okay, I have got to use this in my signature.

[Passacaglia]

I haven't read most of the discussion (SkyDog and JimGA style!!!), but it seems like you might want to have 12 people, instead of 11, for your fractions to work nicely.

[Passacaglia]

I just find it a little too convenient that two days after I start an alternative board, invite others to mod, and name JeeberD a mod, Ben makes the first major moderating change around here in YEARS...



...Including trying to pilfer Jeebs from me. Is there a poster's union where I can file a grievance? I say this is tampering, dammit! ;)

You will be compensated with a 3rd round pick in the FOFC "Your Favorite Maximum Football Bug" Draft.

[RendeR]

I haven't read most of the discussion (SkyDog and JimGA style!!!), but it seems like you might want to have 12 people, instead of 11, for your fractions to work nicely.
Fractions are highly overrated.

[Franklinnoble]

You will be compensated with a 3rd round pick in the FOFC "Your Favorite Maximum Football Bug" Draft.http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/images/smilies/biggrin.gifhttp://www.operationsports.com/fofc/images/smilies/biggrin.gifhttp://www.operationsports.com/fofc/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[Blade6119]

All I can say is this: If you treat me with respect, I will treat you with respect; however, if you do some of the things you've done in the past, I will certainly not kiss your butt just because you're a mod.

I'm ready to bury the hatchet, but don't fuck with me. :)
I want you to question my every move as a mod. If your kissing it there is something wrong. And we can still hate each other in WW, but outside of it i have to be calm and collected in my views/thoughts(part of why i needed the break from the game)

[Fidatelo]

I hate on SkyDork all the time, but I see this as a good decision and commend him for it.

My only real beef is that now I have to come up with a bunch more nicknames for when one of the new mods peeves me off. JerkerD? STFUCougar?

[KWhit]

I have a feeling that this isn't going to end well. But it should be mighty entertaining.

[Raiders Army]

I hate on SkyDork all the time, but I see this as a good decision and commend him for it.

My only real beef is that now I have to come up with a bunch more nicknames for when one of the new mods peeves me off. JerkerD? STFUCougar?
I hope you're kidding, but I do find STFUCougar very humorous.

[Izulde]

Too many cooks.

[Passacaglia]

Who is going to stand up for the < 250 post group.

Dammit, we are people too !!! We need representation.

You. Please represent the group in a 6-post essay. Thanks.

[Tigercat]

What do I have to do around here to get my own FOFC arch-nemesis? It looks like it makes posting much more interesting. Anyone want to start a intimate arguement that could develop an irrational(or rational) hatred for each other?

[Subby]

I respectfully agree with Schmidty. I can think of a shitton of better choices than Blade. Hopefully he will prove me wrong.

[Fidatelo]

What do I have to do around here to get my own FOFC arch-nemesis? It looks like it makes posting much more interesting. Anyone want to start a intimate arguement that could develop an irrational(or rational) hatred for each other?Fuck you Tigercat you uncle fucking muppet! I humped your mom with your dog's bullock's while wearing your favorite jumper!

[Silver Owl]

What do I have to do around here to get my own FOFC arch-nemesis? It looks like it makes posting much more interesting. Anyone want to start a intimate arguement that could develop an irrational(or rational) hatred for each other?
Whats up with the name? Tigercat is redundant as hell, dumbass. It should be either TIGER or CAT not both. :)

[Tigercat]

Fuck you Tigercat you uncle fucking muppet! I humped your mom with your dog's bullock's while wearing your favorite jumper!

Aw, I hate you too my Canadian foil, I hate you too.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Repeat it a few more times, because I still don't know what the heck it's supposed to mean.

See Post #157 (this thread) for a long version.
See Post #169 (from Izulde) for a very succinct version (even though he was commenting generally, it fits pretty good)

[Dutch]

I guess I don't read the post names as well as I should, but who the hell is Blade6119? And why does everybody think he's too emotional?

Is this a hattrick thing?

[Silver Owl]

You. Please represent the group in a 6-post essay. Thanks.
Hmmm ... I don't think I have made 6 posts in a single month, much less in a single day. :)

[SplitPersonality1]

Hmmm. Interesting.

Looks like I picked a good time to return to FOFC.

[JonInMiddleGA]

I guess I don't read the post names as well as I should, but who the hell is Blade6119?

The guy who was screaming for my head on a plate a couple of days ago.

[DanGarion]

I hate on SkyDork all the time, but I see this as a good decision and commend him for it.

My only real beef is that now I have to come up with a bunch more nicknames for when one of the new mods peeves me off. JerkerD? STFUCougar?
I think WTFCougar is better.

[kingfc22]

How did I miss this thread?

[DanGarion]

The guy who was screaming for my head on a plate a couple of days ago.
How was he going to serve it? Baked, Fried, or BBQ'd?

[AlexB]

Fuck you Tigercat you uncle fucking muppet! I humped your mom with your dog's bullock's while wearing your favorite jumper!

:D (especially with the mis-spelling and extra apostrophe - adds something somehow!)

[WSUCougar]

I hope you're kidding, but I do find STFUCougar very humorous.
Ditto on both counts

[WSUCougar]

I think WTFCougar is better.
You could really bust my chops and go with UWCougar, but dawgfan might squeal a bit.

[WVUFAN]

Kudos to Skydog for this decision.

[MIJB#19]

Good luck to the brave people willing to be assistent-mods.
I give SkyDog (and Ryan S?) kudos for bringing a diverse group together, especially with the inclusing of some would probably won't qualify as effin' elitists.

[Dutch]

Kudos to Skydog for this decision.
STFUFAN! :D

[finketr]

I think Blade6119 surprised me the most. I am also thinking the other two outstanding invitations are EaglesFan27 (who would be a great choice) and Frogman. If I had to pick a couple of moderators I would like to see, those two would be at the top of the list.

My only knock with EaglesFan27 is that his dynasty posts are short.

and FrogMan already has the track record here at FOFC with his Hattrick Forum moderation skillz...

He may not want to take on the general forum due to family and work obligations. :)

==t9m

[Honolulu_Blue]

Sounds like a good, sensible move.

[DaddyTorgo]

Kudos for the move SD, and congrats to the new mods. There have been modding decisions I've agreed with in the past, and some that I havn't, but I think that this move should do nicely to take a lot of the load off of Ben in terms of issues that he has to deal with. And I'm not concerned with "abuse-of-power" because I think if that clearly becomes a problem then of course Ben reserves the right to switch-out mods (if say Jeebs goes on a banning-bender) and/or modify their decisions if they are completely without merit.

all in all a good move, long overdue if just because as Ben says, the level of activity has grown exponentially.

as for my thoughts on who may be the other two...well I don't have a PM so it's not me. I'd guess EF27 and maybe Fozzie? Definately EF27, not sure who the other would be though. Guess we'll see.

[Desnudo]

I'm ready to bury the hatchet, but don't fuck with me. :)

I nominate you to be our ambassador to the UN. I mean this seriously.

[Kodos]

I will use my new powers to destroy all those who oppose me!!!

















What? I'm still not a moderator?





















Cancel that last remark about destroying all those who oppose me. :(

[samifan24]

Well I thank Ben and Ryan for their moderation duties performed to this point and welcome the new guys as well. I think this is a good change at FOFC and will only help the growth of this board.

[Desnudo]

Dola,

I agree with the sentiments echoed in a lot of these posts, especially around the Blade choice. Sorry for piling it on.

However, I believe everyone should get a chance to prove themselves. I don't think many boards this size have just one moderator. And people shouldn't forget that Skydog can always take that which he giveth, so there is some mod oversight.

[Senator]

This diverse of a group will be PMing each other to their deaths.

[WSUCougar]

You have to be from earth. It was Question #2 on the app.

[Kodos]

You have to be from earth. It was Question #2 on the app.

Curse you, you planetary chauvanist bastard!

[Franklinnoble]

This diverse of a group will be PMing each other to their deaths.They don't need PM's... They have their own private elitist mod forum.

[Senator]

They don't need PM's... They have their own private elitist mod forum.

Very good. Carry on.

[MJ4H]

hahaha I think STFUCougar and WTFCougar are the funniest things I've seen all day.

[st.cronin]

hahaha I think STFUCougar and WTFCougar are the funniest things I've seen all day.

very funny, but not sure they're at the top ... this last week or so has been a golden era.

[Blade6119]

This diverse of a group will be PMing each other to their deaths.
Ya, its just like the general discussion forum or dynasty, but its just for mods...logistically it wouldnt work otherwise.

[Blade6119]

I guess I don't read the post names as well as I should, but who the hell is Blade6119? And why does everybody think he's too emotional?

Is this a hattrick thing?
Its a WW thing...in those games i go way overboard with posts/accusations to get results...as for jon's claim, i was one of many(i recieved PMs from others saying if i hadnt they would have) to report a post that he shouldnt have made. After a long talk with skydog, which i feel is by far the biggest reason i was selected, we agreed it prob. wasnt the best post but would let it slide this time. I presented some good points, he presented some good points, and i think we came to an understanding on the matter. We did so without emotion playing an issue as well. I think the people i know well on this board(relatively) and talk with outside of this board know i can be logical and calm if i try. I hope the rest of you see that as well. Not much more i can say about that matter. But im glad you are voicing your concerns, its what I want. And if its me, and not my future actions, then im even happier.

[DaddyTorgo]

*TWEET* FOUL

failure to properly identify a dola-post is grounds for loss of moderatory powers http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[CamEdwards]

Not that it matters, but I too have a problem with one of the named moderators, and it's Blade as well. I don't think he's really emotionally mature enough to be a moderator.

That being said, I think he's going to be so paranoid about suspending someone because some of us have said he's too emotional that he won't actually do much moderating at all. If it turns into a largely honorary thing for Blade, that's fine with me.

[DaddyTorgo]

but you guys are missing the fact that the assistant-moderators are now all responsible to each other in this "council" of sorts. So even if one of them tweeks out and boxes you without cause, you have recourse.


sides...it's just a message board. I lived without for 3 weeks, and i'm pretty sure others could, and some perhaps maybe even should (myself included, no value judgements meant).

I fully support our new 11 member Dark Jedi Council and look forward to the first PS from SW of the mods as members of the jedi council

[Young Drachma]

I think this should be good to hush people up. Or at least, give them someone than SkyDog to cry about.

[Daimyo]

If one or both of the other invitees decides against it and you're set on 11 I think Simms would be an excellent choice if he would be interested... i think he's even helped out with the technical stuff a couple times in the past.

[Raiders Army]

hahaha I think STFUCougar and WTFCougar are the funniest things I've seen all day.
LOL. If you combine the two, you can make WSUCougar.

Waitaminute...

[Schmidty]

I am not worthy of being in Ant's sig, but I will humbly accept the honor. :D

[VPI97]

If one or both of the other invitees decides against it and you're set on 11 I think Simms would be an excellent choice if he would be interested... i think he's even helped out with the technical stuff a couple times in the past.I thought Simms was already an admin?

http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showgroups.php

If not, I second that motion.

[Raiders Army]

Phil or Chris Simms?

[Pumpy Tudors]

I'm not a mod here, but I would like you all to know that I'm wearing a black shirt and black sweatpants right now. I also just finished eating pizza, and now I'm going to brush some teeth.

So who wants to get their teeth brushed?

[st.cronin]

Hi, Pumpy. Tom Brady is awesome.

[DaddyTorgo]

just curious as to why people want Simms as an admin? I don't think I've ever seen a post by the guy (not that that should be a requirement, but still).

[Pumpy Tudors]

Hi, Pumpy. Tom Brady is awesome.BANNED!

[General Mike]

Jeeber, please don't ban me after my Jaguars kick the Titans ass again.

[Eaglesfan27]

Just catching up with this thread, but I think this is a very good idea. Bravo, for realizing that change can be a very good thing.

[duckman]

I guess I won't be making fun of Miners football anymore. :(

[Eaglesfan27]

I think Blade6119 surprised me the most. I am also thinking the other two outstanding invitations are EaglesFan27 (who would be a great choice) and Frogman. If I had to pick a couple of moderators I would like to see, those two would be at the top of the list.

My only knock with EaglesFan27 is that his dynasty posts are short.
I wasn't invited. I also agree that Blade is the most surprising to me. However, I think the system should work well.


Edited: Sorry my dynasty posts are too short. I just like to write and post as the action is playing out ;)

[Simms]

I thought Simms was already an admin?

http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showgroups.php

If not, I second that motion.I have access to the control panel and accompanying moderator "powers", but the former is only for technical issues, and I've made it a point to never actually wield the latter. (Well, except for once, when I edited a thread title and was put properly back in my place by Easy Mac.)

I'm flattered by the nomination, but I'll leave to the existing PtB to discuss its relative merits. :)

[Buccaneer]

Guess I can't call jb a fucking moron anymore. Oh wait...damn

[Coffee Warlord]

I will use my new powers to destroy all those who oppose me!!!

Worry not. The combined powers of alien technology and coffee shall overthrow this new council. :)

[Farrah Whitworth-Rahn]

I wonder what this means for the future of chicks posting here. Hmmm...

[Dutch]

I wonder what this means for the future of chicks posting here. Hmmm...
Well, now that Skydog's out of the way you can post naked!

[RendeR]

I wonder what this means for the future of chicks posting here. Hmmm...Remember Capsicum?


Don;t BE that chick.....

[GoldenEagle]

I would have pissed in my pants with laughter if jbmagic would have been made one of the new moderators. By the way, there are two seperate FOFC members: Blade and Blade6119.

[Blade6119]

I would have pissed in my pants with laughter if jbmagic would have been made one of the new moderators. By the way, there are two seperate FOFC members: Blade and Blade6119.
Did anyone confuse us? If so, i apologize to him for any harm that came his way ;)

[DaddyTorgo]

maybe capsicum is one of the missing-mods?

[kcchief19]

I'm somewhat reluctant to post because I vehemently disagree with Ben's harshest critics and I don't want to say anything that suggests otherwise. I think moderation is a thankless task and I believe a certain level of latitude is justified. There are things about Ben that I don't like and don't think he should do as a moderator (OK, just his use of the word "faggoty") but by and large I think he does an excellent job in a tight position.

I whole heartedly understand the motivation -- I know I'm a busy guy and I certainly do't have time to moderate a board like this somewhat single-handedly (I like Ryan, but he seems to have faded from the picture somewhat over the years). I do understand that, and I think it's a worthwhile idea.

I do think that there can be some pains with this. With more people with the button in their hand, there is potential for an increase in suspensions that probably won't sit to well. In the long run, I'm sure the tweaks will work out.

That said, I have to concur with some of the concern about choices made for moderators. With all due respect, I don't think Blade has demonstrated any strong credibility as a moderator. I have a similar concern about TroyF. I like Troy and I've bee in fantasy leagues with him, but he has had tendencies to take his ball and go home from time to time and I don't think that's a good quality either. Again, I like JeeberD, but I think it's a mistake to make anyone a moderator who has been suspended on multiple occassions, no more how minor the infraction may have been. One of those instances for sure that I know the circumstances of was a clear-cut case of violating a rule that he darn well should have known better about breaking. That's not a good sign.

I would have loved to see some more accomplished choices with track records chosen as moderators. Simms doesn't post a lot here, but he has a track record on other sites and would be an excellent choice. cthomer seems to have been a success in moderating the dynasty forum, so why not expand his role? GrantDawg has served as backup moderator -- why not promote him to full time status? I think there were better choices than those three, IMHO.
After a long talk with skydog, which i feel is by far the biggest reason i was selected, we agreed it prob. wasnt the best post but would let it slide this time.With all due respect, I hope this isn't true. One conversation should not be the basis for making a decision this large.

I understand if Ben is wanting to select some people who are contrarians so that the other contrarians feel they are reprsented, but I think it's much better to select people who are respected by the group as a whole, not just one group of complainers.

As long as the organization is fluid and the decision making process transparent, this certainly can be successful and I hope that it is.

[Blade6119]

With all due respect, I hope this isn't true. One conversation should not be the basis for making a decision this large
Ive been apart of this board since sideline, and have contributed the entire way. I think that talk gave him the assurance i could handle situations with a clear head. That is why i think its key. Its not so much the conversation as how it was handled. If i implied it otherwise, im sorry.

[wade moore]

Shew...

Just got back from watching 4 basketball games back to back at the CAA tourney including the closing game where my #11 Tribe came 2 points away from upsetting the #6 VCU Rams - ohwell...

The point being, I'm a bit tired but I still read through the whole thread. I'm glad to hear that the idea is being received well and I hope that I can do my part to keep this place as enjoyable as it has been.

Now, sleep time - I hope I have a voice tomorrow!

[st.cronin]

Blade, I don't have a problem with you as mod. Or any of the other mods. I assume there will be some growing pains for you all, but I think things will ultimately be fine.

[hoopsguy]

If there is actually a debate going on about the validity of the moderator selections, then consider this a vote backing both the collective group and Blade6119 specifically. He is the one that I have the most contact with in the new group and I think he is a bright guy who cares about the site and the community a great deal.

[Eaglesfan27]

I know other people started the joking in the werewolf thread, but I find it disturbing that Blade6119 is responding and joking about boxing people to effect the outcome of a game. Then again, perhaps, I need to lighten up. However, it seems to me even the hint of impropriety could taint any mod decisions he does have to make in the future.

[st.cronin]

If there is actually a debate going on about the validity of the moderator selections, then consider this a vote backing both the collective group and Blade6119 specifically. He is the one that I have the most contact with in the new group and I think he is a bright guy who cares about the site and the community a great deal.


agreed ... better them than me, that's for sure

[Schmidty]

I know other people started the joking in the werewolf thread, but I find it disturbing that Blade6119 is responding and joking about boxing people to effect the outcome of a game. Then again, perhaps, I need to lighten up. However, it seems to me even the hint of impropriety could taint any mod decisions he does have to make in the future.

I am not trying to be hostile to Blade, but it is absolutely amazing to me that Blade is a mod and you aren't.

I hope people are making their voices heard to SD.

[stevew]

I have a feeling that this isn't going to end well. But it should be mighty entertaining.

Totally agree with you. Who the hell is blade6119? Definately the "one thing is not like the others" example from the list of mods.

[Raiders Army]

I'm somewhat reluctant to post because I vehemently disagree with Ben's harshest critics and I don't want to say anything that suggests otherwise. I think moderation is a thankless task and I believe a certain level of latitude is justified. There are things about Ben that I don't like and don't think he should do as a moderator (OK, just his use of the word "faggoty") but by and large I think he does an excellent job in a tight position.
I find it very surprising you weren't picked, since you've been around since as long as I can remember during the old Sideline days and you seem to be relatively level-headed (especially for a Chiefs fan ;) )

I wasn't invited. I also agree that Blade is the most surprising to me. However, I think the system should work well.
I'll throw another shocked look out there as well for this one. Very surprising indeed...

If there is actually a debate going on about the validity of the moderator selections, then consider this a vote backing both the collective group and Blade6119 specifically. He is the one that I have the most contact with in the new group and I think he is a bright guy who cares about the site and the community a great deal.
Finally, I'd like to echo these sentiments as well. After playing CoH with hoops, he's probably the one of the nicest and most intelligent guys around. I've spoken with Blade6119 quite a few times and I find him to be very intelligent as well.

Perhaps kcchief19 or Eaglesfan27 weren't included because then the council would be all elitists. Personally I think it's good that some decisions are debatable since you can't please everyone.

[GrantDawg]

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I love you.

[Ben E Lou]

A quick comment, then I have to run to a meeting...

Some have asked "Why not ______?" or "Why _______?" I was shooting for a MIX of longevity, lack of ability to be accused of being a yes-man (for example, if I ever completely abdicated the One True Dark Jedi throne and Blackie didn't want it back, the first person I'd ask to take over would be GrantDawg, but he's not in this group because I know that many of you know that we've hung out together and consider one another as friends...that's not that G-Dawg would BE a yes-man, just that I wouldn't want him to have to go thorugh being ACCUSED of it over and over if we agreed a good bit, which undoubtedly we would), general respect by the board, being active on a day-to-day basis, and a few other things. I am aware that NOT EVERYONE ON THE GROUP HAS ALL OF THESE QUALITIES, but I have seen qualities in all of them that would indicate an ability to step up to the plate and do well.

[CamEdwards]

I know other people started the joking in the werewolf thread, but I find it disturbing that Blade6119 is responding and joking about boxing people to effect the outcome of a game. Then again, perhaps, I need to lighten up. However, it seems to me even the hint of impropriety could taint any mod decisions he does have to make in the future.

Others, including Jeeber, have joked around in here about banning/boxing. As I said earlier, since any boxing will require the approval of either Skydog or Ryan (at least that's how I understand it), I think Blade6119's moderating powers will end up being largely ceremonial.

I think that his past postings just make us more aware of, and less tolerant of his tendencies to blow up over childish things.

I also agree with the others who say you'd make a good mod.

[GrantDawg]

I would have loved to see some more accomplished choices with track records chosen as moderators. Simms doesn't post a lot here, but he has a track record on other sites and would be an excellent choice. cthomer seems to have been a success in moderating the dynasty forum, so why not expand his role? GrantDawg has served as backup moderator -- why not promote him to full time status? I think there were better choices than those three, IMHO.

I can't speak for the others, but as for me...thanks for the vote of confidence, but I failed the spelling test to become a full-time mod. :)

Actually, I wasn't asked, but I would have had to pass if asked. I don't have time right now to do this job. I'm working 70+ hours a week and have no access to the board during that time. I'm only on about 30 minutes a day now, so there is no way I can help mod.

And for the record, I think this is a good idea. Ben has been doing a job that required more hours than anyone has in a day. He has needed to get more people involved for a long time. I think he has mostly chosen wisely, and though I think there will be "controversy" (becuase some on this board seem to need drama like most 12 year old girls), the actual day-to-day posting and such will not be greatly altered.

[GrantDawg]

A quick comment, then I have to run to a meeting...

Some have asked "Why not ______?" or "Why _______?" I was shooting for a MIX of longevity, lack of ability to be accused of being a yes-man (for example, if I ever completely abdicated the One True Dark Jedi throne and Blackie didn't want it back, the first person I'd ask to take over would be GrantDawg, but he's not in this group because I know that many of you know that we've hung out together and consider one another as friends...that's not that G-Dawg would BE a yes-man, just that I wouldn't want him to have to go thorugh being ACCUSED of it over and over if we agreed a good bit, which undoubtedly we would), general respect by the board, being active on a day-to-day basis, and a few other things. I am aware that NOT EVERYONE ON THE GROUP HAS ALL OF THESE QUALITIES, but I have seen qualities in all of them that would indicate an ability to step up to the plate and do well.

Posted this while I was posting. I agree with that thought, but would have turned you down for another reason. :D

[Anthony]

I have access to the control panel and accompanying moderator "powers", but the former is only for technical issues, and I've made it a point to never actually wield the latter. (Well, except for once, when I edited a thread title and was put properly back in my place by Easy Mac.)

I'm flattered by the nomination, but I'll leave to the existing PtB to discuss its relative merits. :)

i don't think you're that much of a presence here to be given formal MOderator powers. sorry, if by SD's mandate that contributing to the community earns you leeway around here - you got a lot of catching up to do.

[Anthony]

i say since we're in the process of change - why not boot Ryan S from the moderation group and get a more active member of the community (with equal technical skill)? Ryan S is no longer a part of this community, at least not on a level that should warrant him being an Uber-Mod. i've been saying this for years now. no offense to the guy, but he's a non-presence. SD took a lot of flack for running this board single-handedly over the years when it was intended to be a 2 Mod set-up. he needs to be relieved of his responsibilities here.

[JeeberD]

I like JeeberD, but I think it's a mistake to make anyone a moderator who has been suspended on multiple occassions, no more how minor the infraction may have been. One of those instances for sure that I know the circumstances of was a clear-cut case of violating a rule that he darn well should have known better about breaking. That's not a good sign.


You don't think it's possible for a person to learn from past mistakes?

[Barkeep49]

I think SkyDog has assembled a nice group of mods here. As for the "controversial" one I understand where others are coming from, but I think that some of the comments here against Blade have been nitpicks. Truly reminds me of a werewolf game in that respect, where people are ready to pounce on anything.

I hope to see this system work, especially as the mods that I have dealt with seem like good people, but have to think that a smaller group will eventually be used, or else some mods will be primarily in-charge of the other forums besides GD.