This seems very odd...

[kingfc22]

This week's 25 most-expensive transfers

<table border="0" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr> <td>Date</td> <td>Players</td> <td>From</td> <td>To</td> <td>League</td> <td align="right">Price</td> <td align="right">TSI then</td> </tr> <tr> <td>19:th</td> <td>Batıhan Tuğlu</td> <td>FC Tuncel</td> <td>Mamakspor</td> <td>Türkiye</td> <td align="right">30 651 000 US$</td> <td align="right">1 190</td> </tr> <tr> <td>19:th</td> <td>Saldıray Akkın</td> <td>Mamakspor</td> <td>FC Tuncel</td> <td>Türkiye</td> <td align="right">30 600 000 US$</td> <td align="right">500</td></tr></tbody></table>

[JFiz]

Looks like a trade to me. I recall reading this as the way to "trade players". If you have a player worth 10K and I do too, we can list them both as 1Mil a peice and we buy each others players. No one else will bid 1Mil for a 10K player, so the two people in the trade are garaunteed to get the player they want and its an even swap of dollars.

I also read that you should notify a GM or something because it does seem sketchy, but it can be allowed.

[FrogMan]

could look like a trade but trades should only happen between two highly skilled and valued players, not players in the kind of value that these two have. Also, when doing a trade, you kind of overpay for the player, trying to avoid any outsider from putting a bid on the players, but never for that much. 30M is just crazy, think about the agent fees involved in a deal like this...

Finally, take a look at this:
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD vAlign=center>FC Tuncel <BDO dir=ltr>(654635)</BDO> http://www58.hattrick.org/Common/images/bookmark_16x16.gif (http://www58.hattrick.org/Common/bookmarks.asp?action=AddConfirm&BookmarkTypeID=1&ObjectID=3934294)
</TD><TD vAlign=center align=right></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

(Anonymous)

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=2 border=0><TBODY><TR vAlign=top><TD>Team: </TD><TD>FC Tuncel (http://www58.hattrick.org/Common/teamDetails.asp?actionType=view&TeamID=654635)</TD></TR></TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD>Email: </TD><TD>(Hidden) </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD>Alias: </TD><TD>fctuncel </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD>Language: </TD><TD>Türkçe</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD>Joined: </TD><TD>1/14/2006 at 15.14</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>


5 latest logins

3/21/2006 at 12.33 from 144.122.***.***
3/21/2006 at 08.58 from 144.122.***.***
3/18/2006 at 23.27 from 144.122.***.***
3/17/2006 at 01.04 from 85.99.***.***
3/16/2006 at 00.48 from 144.122.***.***


then...
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD vAlign=center>Mamakspor <BDO dir=ltr>(656261)</BDO> http://www58.hattrick.org/Common/images/bookmark_16x16.gif (http://www58.hattrick.org/Common/bookmarks.asp?action=AddConfirm&BookmarkTypeID=1&ObjectID=3803242)
</TD><TD vAlign=center align=right></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

(Anonymous)

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=2 border=0><TBODY><TR vAlign=top><TD>Team: </TD><TD>Mamakspor (http://www58.hattrick.org/Common/teamDetails.asp?actionType=view&TeamID=656261)</TD></TR></TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD>Email: </TD><TD>(Hidden) </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD>Alias: </TD><TD>hamzayanik </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD>Language: </TD><TD>Türkçe</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD>Joined: </TD><TD>12/13/2005 at 21.53</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>


5 latest logins

3/21/2006 at 08.23 from 144.122.***.***
3/21/2006 at 06.38 from 144.122.***.***
3/20/2006 at 22.17 from 144.122.***.***
3/20/2006 at 21.43 from 144.122.***.***
3/20/2006 at 21.20 from 144.122.***.***

same IP, I think it's blatant cheating in some way and should be reported... In fact, I will do just that right now...

FM

[finketr]

could look like a trade but trades should only happen between two highly skilled and valued players, not players in the kind of value that these two have. Also, when doing a trade, you kind of overpay for the player, trying to avoid any outsider from putting a bid on the players, but never for that much. 30M is just crazy, think about the agent fees involved in a deal like this...

Finally, take a look at this:


then...


same IP, I think it's blatant cheating in some way and should be reported... In fact, I will do just that right now...

FM

Well, FM...

Not that I don't mind turning in cheaters...

but, um...


% Information related to '144.122.0.0 - 144.122.255.255'

inetnum: 144.122.0.0 - 144.122.255.255
netname: METU-NET
descr: Middle East Technical University(METU)
descr: Computer Center
descr: Ankara
country: TR
admin-c: MH4497-RIPE
tech-c: MH4497-RIPE
status: ASSIGNED PI
mnt-by: AS1967-MNT
source: RIPE # Filtered

person: METU Hostmaster
address: ODTU BIDB
address: Ankara / Turkey
fax-no: +90 312 2101120
phone: +90 312 2103330
nic-hdl: MH4497-RIPE
mnt-by: AS1967-MNT
source: RIPE # Filtered

% Information related to '144.122.0.0/16AS1967'

route: 144.122.0.0/16
descr: Middle East Technical University (METU)
origin: AS1967
mnt-by: AS1967-MNT
source: RIPE # Filtered


they could both be students at the same school.

Also, they are division V and VI in turkey. Both are relatively new (12/05 and 01/06).

It almost seems like an artificial way to get your teams in the top transfers.. :)

[FrogMan]

Well, FM...

Not that I don't mind turning in cheaters...

but, um...



they could both be students at the same school.

Also, they are division V and VI in turkey. Both are relatively new (12/05 and 01/06).

It almost seems like an artificial way to get your teams in the top transfers.. :)

maybe, but still looked shady enough. Players at 500 and 1000 TSI shouldn't sell for that kind of money, even in a trade... Oh well, they're in Turkey, I doubt they'll track me down :D

FM

[finketr]

maybe, but still looked shady enough. Players at 500 and 1000 TSI shouldn't sell for that kind of money, even in a trade... Oh well, they're in Turkey, I doubt they'll track me down :D

FM

no worries...

tim.

(i'm enjoying two running conversations)

[BillyNYC]

If it is cheating, what purpose would it serve? Swapping 2 lousy players and each paying a silly amount of agent fees doesn't serve like cheating to me.

[Masked]

If it is cheating, what purpose would it serve? Swapping 2 lousy players and each paying a silly amount of agent fees doesn't serve like cheating to me.
Perhapst another party is the team getting the the mother club or last club money on those deals.

edit: Both players have been sold only once before. Their motherclubs both use IP 144.122.***.***. Again, nothing conclusive though.

[FrogMan]

Perhapst another party is the team getting the the mother club or last club money on those deals.

wow, didn't even think of that. Gotta say I was starting to feel very cheap and silly for reporting it but look at this now:
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=4 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD align=left bgColor=#dddddd colSpan=5>Transfers last week FC Tuncel (http://www63.hattrick.org/Common/teamDetails.asp?TeamID=654635)</TD><TD align=right bgColor=#dddddd>More transfers» (http://www63.hattrick.org/Common/transferHistory.asp?actionType=team&EndDate=2006-03-14 17:34:37&TeamID=654635) </TD></TR><TR><TD noWrap>Date</TD><TD noWrap>Type</TD><TD noWrap>Players</TD><TD noWrap>To/From</TD><TD noWrap align=right>Price</TD><TD noWrap align=right>TSI then</TD></TR><TR><TD noWrap>3/19/2006</TD><TD noWrap>Bought</TD><TD noWrap>Saldıray Akkın (http://www63.hattrick.org/Common/playerDetails.asp?playerID=83260541)</TD><TD noWrap>from Mamakspor (http://www63.hattrick.org/Common/teamDetails.asp?teamID=656261)</TD><TD noWrap align=right>61 200 000 C$</TD><TD noWrap align=right>500</TD></TR><TR><TD noWrap>3/19/2006</TD><TD noWrap>Sold</TD><TD noWrap>Batıhan Tuğlu (http://www63.hattrick.org/Common/playerDetails.asp?playerID=89645267)</TD><TD noWrap>to Mamakspor (http://www63.hattrick.org/Common/teamDetails.asp?teamID=656261)</TD><TD noWrap align=right>61 302 000 C$</TD><TD noWrap align=right>1 190</TD></TR><TR><TD noWrap>3/15/2006</TD><TD noWrap>Bought</TD><TD noWrap>Batıhan Tuğlu (http://www63.hattrick.org/Common/playerDetails.asp?playerID=89645267)</TD><TD noWrap>from Ufubospor (http://www63.hattrick.org/Common/teamDetails.asp?teamID=396560)</TD><TD noWrap align=right>100 000 C$</TD><TD noWrap align=right>1 190</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

and now:

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD vAlign=center>Ufubospor <BDO dir=ltr>(396560)</BDO> http://www63.hattrick.org/Common/images/bookmark_16x16.gif (http://www63.hattrick.org/Common/bookmarks.asp?action=AddConfirm&BookmarkTypeID=1&ObjectID=3803234)
</TD><TD vAlign=center align=right></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

(Anonymous)

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=2 border=0><TBODY><TR vAlign=top><TD>Team: </TD><TD>Ufubospor (http://www63.hattrick.org/Common/teamDetails.asp?actionType=view&TeamID=396560)</TD></TR></TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD>Email: </TD><TD>(Hidden) </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD>Alias: </TD><TD>ufubo </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD>Language: </TD><TD>Türkçe</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD>Joined: </TD><TD>12/13/2005 at 21.52</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>


5 latest logins

3/19/2006 at 18.38 from 144.122.***.***
3/19/2006 at 15.55 from 144.122.***.***
3/19/2006 at 05.15 from 144.122.***.***
3/19/2006 at 00.21 from 144.122.***.***
3/17/2006 at 23.37 from 144.122.***.***


here's that same start of IP address again... Must be a very popular game in that school ;)

So, 30M U$ at 2% is what, 600k. Hrm, could be a reason, not the brightest but could have gone unnoticed...

FM

[fantastic flying froggies]

Oh, and guess what, it's not even the first time they do this:

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=4 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD align=left bgColor=#dddddd colSpan=5>Transfers between 14-02-2006 and 14-03-2006 Ufubospor (http://www62.hattrick.org/Common/teamDetails.asp?TeamID=396560)</TD><TD align=right bgColor=#dddddd>More transfers» (http://www62.hattrick.org/Common/transferHistory.asp?actionType=team&EndDate=2006-02-14 17:43:04&TeamID=396560) </TD></TR><TR><TD noWrap>Date</TD><TD noWrap>Type</TD><TD noWrap>Players</TD><TD noWrap>To/From</TD><TD noWrap align=right>Price</TD><TD noWrap align=right>TSI then</TD></TR><TR><TD noWrap>12-03-2006</TD><TD noWrap>Sold</TD><TD noWrap>Haluk Savcı (http://www62.hattrick.org/Common/playerDetails.asp?playerID=89665706)</TD><TD noWrap>to Ufubospor (http://www62.hattrick.org/Common/teamDetails.asp?teamID=396560)</TD><TD noWrap align=right>1 000 €</TD><TD noWrap align=right>0</TD></TR><TR><TD noWrap>12-03-2006</TD><TD noWrap>Sold</TD><TD noWrap>Rüştü Tunçbilek (http://www62.hattrick.org/Common/playerDetails.asp?playerID=89645259)</TD><TD noWrap>to Ufubospor (http://www62.hattrick.org/Common/teamDetails.asp?teamID=396560)</TD><TD noWrap align=right>1 000 €</TD><TD noWrap align=right>30</TD></TR><TR><TD noWrap>09-03-2006</TD><TD noWrap>Bought</TD><TD noWrap>Zekeriya Soygüven (http://www62.hattrick.org/Common/playerDetails.asp?playerID=89645287)</TD><TD noWrap>from Mamakspor (http://www62.hattrick.org/Common/teamDetails.asp?teamID=656261)</TD><TD noWrap align=right>900 000 €</TD><TD noWrap align=right>10</TD></TR><TR><TD noWrap>09-03-2006</TD><TD noWrap>Sold</TD><TD noWrap>Bedri Ülkan (http://www62.hattrick.org/Common/playerDetails.asp?playerID=89645260)</TD><TD noWrap>to Mamakspor (http://www62.hattrick.org/Common/teamDetails.asp?teamID=656261)</TD><TD noWrap align=right>890 000 €</TD><TD noWrap align=right>30</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

[JFiz]

Dammmmmnnnnn, the plot thickens!

[BillyNYC]

Good call. I rescind my "it doesn't look like cheating" remark :)

[kingfc22]

The newest hattrick headline:

FOFC Brings Down Turkish Cheating Ring

:D

[-apoc-]

That school caused me no end of problems when I was a GM. I was basically in charge of Turkey, Israel and a few other small countries. Definitly go ahead and report them. I wouldnt be surprised either way it ends up either clueless newbies who have already been dealt with or blatent cheating.