US vs Canada

[astrosfan64]

That guy from Canada that scored was a hack. He should of been kicked out of the game for the two blatent runs he took at players. He hit Mastroni down after a whistle on a dead ball play.

He beat the crap out of one our players on a header. HE DIDN't get one card.

Poorly officiated game.

[Oilers9911]

That guy from Canada that scored was a hack. He should of been kicked out of the game for the two blatent runs he took at players. He hit Mastroni down after a whistle on a dead ball play.

He beat the crap out of one our players on a header. HE DIDN't get one card.

Poorly officiated game.

Wow, what game were you watching? How about the foul by...Bocanegra was it...that should have been a straight red? And the disallowed tying goal? I agree the officiating was awful but not against the US.

[rowech]

Wow, what game were you watching? How about the foul by...Bocanegra was it...that should have been a straight red? And the disallowed tying goal? I agree the officiating was awful but not against the US.

Definitely would have taken the red out for Boanegra. That was a terrible foul.

[astrosfan64]

Wow, what game were you watching? How about the foul by...Bocanegra was it...that should have been a straight red? And the disallowed tying goal? I agree the officiating was awful but not against the US.

You can't be serious? Bocanegra got a card for his foul. That wasn't red card material.

That dude from Canada hit Mastroni in a deal ball situation. That is an automatic card. The ref did nothing.

The ball was sitting on the grass, there was a whistle. The kid with the bald head ran and hit Mastroni knocking him over then he grabbed the ball with his hands.

Just a little news flash bald headed canadian kid, this isn't hockey.

[astrosfan64]

dola:

Lets not forget the TERRIBLE yellow to donavon for the dive? I mean come on that was a horrible call.

[Oilers9911]

dola:

Lets not forget the TERRIBLE yellow to donavon for the dive? I mean come on that was a horrible call.


LOL take your homer glasses off...are you saying Donavon isn't a diver? He was flopping all over the place...come on Landy boy this isn't figure skating.

[Critch]

Wow, what game were you watching? How about the foul by...Bocanegra was it...that should have been a straight red?

Yeah, it was Bocanegra. Should have been a straight red, two footed lunge long after the ball was gone.

[Maple Leafs]

That guy from Canada that scored was a hack. He should of been kicked out of the game for the two blatent runs he took at players. He hit Mastroni down after a whistle on a dead ball play.

He beat the crap out of one our players on a header. HE DIDN't get one card.

Poorly officiated game.
Typical whining from the losing team. Just admit that Canada is better. EAT IT, USA!!!

What sport are we talking about?

[Oilers9911]

Typical whining from the losing team. Just admit that Canada is better. EAT IT, USA!!!

What sport are we talking about?

Come on Maple Leafs. Where have you been. Jai Alai.

[Neuqua]

LOL take your homer glasses off...are you saying Donavon isn't a diver? He was flopping all over the place...come on Landy boy this isn't figure skating.

Do a quick search on astrosfans "predictions" and you'll see you are getting worked up over nothing.

:)

[astrosfan64]

Typical whining from the losing team. Just admit that Canada is better. EAT IT, USA!!!

What sport are we talking about?

Actually the USA won.

[astrosfan64]

Do a quick search on astrosfans "predictions" and you'll see you are getting worked up over nothing.

:)

Yeah make sure you search the dynasty forum. Where I documented my picks and over two thousand dollars I made in a few weeks.

[GoldenEagle]

Oilers9911 is a one of those crazy Canukcs. Donovan is known for a ton of things, but diving is not one of them.

Bocanegra's challenge was awkward, but not a red card. Just a missed timed tackle that was not from behind.

Onstand, on the other hand, should have been sent off. If the ref calls that, is an automatic red card. It is not a yellow, it is a send off.

I am still debating the offside goal for Canada. I need to look up the law on that.

[GoldenEagle]

Taken from FIFA laws of the game:

Gaining an advantage by being in that position means playing a
ball that rebounds to him off a post or the crossbar having been
in an offside position or playing a ball that rebounds to him off an
opponent having been in an offside position.

So good call by the official. He was offside.

[Oilers9911]

Taken from FIFA laws of the game:

Gaining an advantage by being in that position means playing a
ball that rebounds to him off a post or the crossbar having been
in an offside position or playing a ball that rebounds to him off an
opponent having been in an offside position.

So good call by the official. He was offside.

A couple problems here. First the Canadian players were NOT offside when the pass was made. Secondly the ball was headed on by a US player, therefore no offside.

[Vinatieri for Prez]

Correct. First, they were even, so it wasn't offside. Second, even if they were in an offside positin, it was NOT a rebound, but a pursposeful pass/shot by an opponent. thus not an offside.

[MJ4H]

The game was horribly called all around. Donovan didn't dive. The goal at the end was very close, but probably should've counted. The angle of the replay makes it look like the defender at the bottom kept the Canadian player onside, but I am not convinced that isn't a trick. The linesman had a better angle. You can tell by the cut of the grass that the view isn't quite straight across the pitch. I agree he does look onside, but it is, again, tough to say the angle is clear. The header is troublesome, as well. It was just horribly officiated, throughout, for both sides.

[bhlloy]

Just saw it on sportscenter, that is one of the worst offside decisions I have ever seen. Even if he was offside on the original pass, as soon as the defender heads it back all bets are off. Unbelievable call.

[Desnudo]

Horrible call from the ref. Should have been a goal.

[Blade6119]

Do a quick search on astrosfans "predictions" and you'll see you are getting worked up over nothing.

:)

Yeah make sure you search the dynasty forum. Where I documented my picks and over two thousand dollars I made in a few weeks.

I gotta side with neuqua on this one, i remember all the threads you used to start about predictions you were SURE of, and they were always outlandish and would turn out wrong. I used to expect about three a week at its peak

[Vinatieri for Prez]

I gotta side with neuqua on this one, i remember all the threads you used to start about predictions you were SURE of, and they were always outlandish and would turn out wrong. I used to expect about three a week at its peak

I think constantly betting against the Seahawks every week, and lambasting them as a very weak (and the most overrated) team, as they trounced the NFC competition on the way to the Superbowl in the 2005-2006 post season was a good example.

http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?t=46286

http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?t=46513

"Seattle will lose against Carolina and lose big" (at home after going 8-0 at home and 13-3 for the season; final score 34-14 for Seattle)

"Alexander will get less than 50 yards against Carolina" (the league MVP who ran for 1,880 yards during the season; Seattle rushes for 190 yards, with Alexander getting 132 yards before being pulled from the game)

[MikeVic]

He's a regular Nosferatu.

[astrosfan64]

I think constantly betting against the Seahawks every week, and lambasting them as a very weak (and the most overrated) team, as they trounced the NFC competition on the way to the Superbowl in the 2005-2006 post season was a good example.

http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?t=46286

http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?t=46513

"Seattle will lose against Carolina and lose big" (at home after going 8-0 at home and 13-3 for the season; final score 34-14 for Seattle)

"Alexander will get less than 50 yards against Carolina" (the league MVP who ran for 1,880 yards during the season; Seattle rushes for 190 yards, with Alexander getting 132 yards before being pulled from the game)

:) they did lose in the superbowl!

[Butter]

Canada had an offside call go against them on a free kick in the 1st half where it looked like their guy going after the ball to head it was just shoved down in the box... the replay showed that no one was even close to offsides, even though the FSC guys said "yup, there's the offsides".

As for the end of the game, I don't know if the Bradley foul was a clear red, especially considering that he didn't really knock into the guy all that hard. But he was definitely not going after the ball. And the final minute offside was not an offside, considering that the Canadian attacker was nearly onside even when the ball came off Onyewu's head. But such is the world of international soccer. How many of us remember the handball off the line in the 2002 US v. Germany World Cup Quarterfinal... sometimes the calls don't go your way.

[GoldenEagle]

The linesman told Canadian players that a Canadian player touched the ball with his head. I know Humes was in the area there was a debate as to whether he did touch it. Anyway, I think you need to give the benefit of the doubt to the referee who was at field level. We can speculate all we want but it was a very close call.

[GoldenEagle]

Just saw it on sportscenter, that is one of the worst offside decisions I have ever seen. Even if he was offside on the original pass, as soon as the defender heads it back all bets are off. Unbelievable call.

A Canadian, eh? If that is one of the worse calls you have ever seen, you need to watch more soccer.

[Mr. Wednesday]

You can't be serious? Bocanegra got a card for his foul. That wasn't red card material.
It was orange, IMO, and I lean more red than yellow for what was appropriate. Lots of force, could have caused injury.

That dude from Canada hit Mastroni in a deal ball situation. That is an automatic card. The ref did nothing.
Uh, no, it's not an automatic red. It should have been a caution to Hume, as that's the U.S.'s restart, he has no right to the ball and particularly no right to clean out a U.S. player to collect it.

Lets not forget the TERRIBLE yellow to donavon for the dive? I mean come on that was a horrible call.
I can't say I liked the caution there, as I thought there was enough contact that it wasn't egregious on Donovan's part, but it's not that bad of a call. The biggest issue is that he set a low standard for a simulation caution that could have come back to haunt him later (but didn't).<!-- / message -->

[Mr. Wednesday]

Onstand, on the other hand, should have been sent off. If the ref calls that, is an automatic red card. It is not a yellow, it is a send off.
No, a caution was the appropriate call. It would have needed to be an "obvious goal-scoring opportunity" for Onstad to be sent off, but Beasley overstruck the ball and would have done well to keep it in play, let alone get it on goal. The caution was sufficient.

I am still debating the offside goal for Canada. I need to look up the law on that.
The first question is, were the Canadian attackers onside when the original pass was made? I've seen conflicting opinions on that (with more saying on than off), but even the ones saying they were on put them about even. The second question is, did Hume make contact with the ball, resetting offsides and putting both Canadian attackers offside? Most people say no, but there's one or two who think he might have gotten a touch. The third question is, did Onyewu control the ball? I know he was trying to make a headed clearance, but the control of that clearance is an important issue. If it's ruled a controlled play of the ball, then neither of the first two questions matters because the players in offsides positions have carte blanche.

My general feeling is that the call was probably incorrect, but there was so much stuff going on that the AR is going to get the call incorrect a significant fraction of the time. (I'd put the answers as even originally therefore on, no touch, not a controlled touch, without having rewatched the play yet.)

[GoldenEagle]

No, a caution was the appropriate call. It would have needed to be an "obvious goal-scoring opportunity" for Onstad to be sent off, but Beasley overstruck the ball and would have done well to keep it in play, let alone get it on goal. The caution was sufficient.


I disagree. I think it is either no call or a send-off. If Onstad plays the man there, it is a send off. If the ref rules that Beasley could not have gotten the ball, then it is a no call or at the very most obstruction.

My opinion is that Onstad was playing Beasley and should have been sent off, regardless of OGSO.

[RPI-Fan]

Just saw it on sportscenter, that is one of the worst offside decisions I have ever seen. Even if he was offside on the original pass, as soon as the defender heads it back all bets are off. Unbelievable call.

That's not true! Only if the header/deflection was CLEARLY DIRECTED backward, and the defender had control of where the ball was going, does the offside "reset".

[Butter]

I disagree. I think it is either no call or a send-off. If Onstad plays the man there, it is a send off. If the ref rules that Beasley could not have gotten the ball, then it is a no call or at the very most obstruction.

With all due respect, maybe YOU need to watch more soccer. Refs are VERY reluctant to send off keepers, even in obvious "last man" situations like this one. Yellows are the rule rather than the exception as far as what referees actually do in these situations, even though the rule dictates a red be shown if it really is a PK.

[GoldenEagle]

With all due respect, maybe YOU need to watch more soccer. Refs are VERY reluctant to send off keepers, even in obvious "last man" situations like this one. Yellows are the rule rather than the exception as far as what referees actually do in these situations, even though the rule dictates a red be shown if it really is a PK.

Look kido, I am sure FM has taught you something about the game and that is great. But as a former college goalkeeper, current USSF level 7 ref, and a USSF National D licensed coach, I know a little something about the game.

Nine out of ten times that play is a red card in any league, if the ref deemed that Beasley could have scored that.

[chesapeake]

I think constantly betting against the Seahawks every week, and lambasting them as a very weak (and the most overrated) team, as they trounced the NFC competition on the way to the Superbowl in the 2005-2006 post season was a good example.

I find it hard to fault a guy for doubting the ability a Seattle sports franchise. 99 times out of 100, betting against Seattle in anything is easy money. I think the Seattle sports motto is "We'll Always Have 1979."

[Critch]

Look kido, I am sure FM has taught you something about the game and that is great. But as a former college goalkeeper, current USSF level 7 ref, and a USSF National D licensed coach, I know a little something about the game.

I take it there were no questions on the offside rule in your ref exams then?

[astrosfan64]

I find it hard to fault a guy for doubting the ability a Seattle sports franchise. 99 times out of 100, betting against Seattle in anything is easy money. I think the Seattle sports motto is "We'll Always Have 1979."

For the record, I think Seatle proved it was overrated last year.

[rowech]

Beasley's was a yellow. He didn't run out and just take Beasly out. He went down and clipped him. PK given. Yellow given. As it should have been.

I finally saw the offsides disallowed goal. Very tough call either way. Like it or not, rebound or not, it boils down to was the guy offsides when the ball was played. It was such a terrible pass which is part of the problem as well. Tough call. If I'm a US fan, which I am, I see it as offside. If I'm a Canadian fan, I see it as a horrible call.

[Travis]

For the record, I think Seatle proved it was overrated last year.

You've got to be kidding me. Not going to horribly threadjack, but given all the injuries they overcame last season to win their division and then push the Bears to OT in the playoffs, I think that team proved they are more for real than they did the Superbowl season. I have no idea what any of their players/coaches/cheerleaders/fans have done to you, but my god man, get over it.

[GoldenEagle]

I take it there were no questions on the offside rule in your ref exams then?

There were plenty. The offside rule is a big thing in soccer, you know?

[TroyF]

For the record, I think Seatle proved it was overrated last year.

Yeah, cause losing your MVP for 6 games and your starting QB for 5 games, and losing on the road in OT to the Super Bowl representative from your conference shows you are a horrific failure of a team.

[Draft Dodger]

You can't be serious? Bocanegra got a card for his foul. That wasn't red card material.

That dude from Canada hit Mastroni in a deal ball situation. That is an automatic card. The ref did nothing.

The ball was sitting on the grass, there was a whistle. The kid with the bald head ran and hit Mastroni knocking him over then he grabbed the ball with his hands.

Just a little news flash bald headed canadian kid, this isn't hockey.

"that dude from Canada"?
"the kid with the bald head"?

you really seem to know your sports stuff, so maybe you can sympathize with me. the other day, I was watching that sport where they use the round thing. no, not that sport - the other one. anyway, remember what that guy with the beard did? RIGHT! that was totally uncool, and, I swear, if I was that blonde guy - or the chubby coach LOLOL - I would have totally taken a swing at him. I tell you, the fans wherever it was were going craaaaaazy and I don't blame him one bit. the guy in charge should be fired. not that guy, the other guy.

[MJ4H]

that guy with the head? he's got those two arms? yeah him!

[MrBug708]

The linesman told Canadian players that a Canadian player touched the ball with his head. I know Humes was in the area there was a debate as to whether he did touch it. Anyway, I think you need to give the benefit of the doubt to the referee who was at field level. We can speculate all we want but it was a very close call.

So the refs get the benefit of the doubt unless they call a Memphis game right? :)

[Blade6119]

"that dude from Canada"?
"the kid with the bald head"?

you really seem to know your sports stuff, so maybe you can sympathize with me. the other day, I was watching that sport where they use the round thing. no, not that sport - the other one. anyway, remember what that guy with the beard did? RIGHT! that was totally uncool, and, I swear, if I was that blonde guy - or the chubby coach LOLOL - I would have totally taken a swing at him. I tell you, the fans wherever it was were going craaaaaazy and I don't blame him one bit. the guy in charge should be fired. not that guy, the other guy.

Your talking about astrosfan...i think its general consensus that the truth of anything is the exact opposite of what he is saying...if he tells you so and so is going to win, their going to get blown out...if he tells you such and such happened, it didnt.

[Blade6119]

Yeah, cause losing your MVP for 6 games and your starting QB for 5 games, and losing on the road in OT to the Super Bowl representative from your conference shows you are a horrific failure of a team.

The rams would have beaten the bears :D

[Draft Dodger]

Your talking about astrosfan...i think its general consensus that the truth of anything is the exact opposite of what he is saying...if he tells you so and so is going to win, their going to get blown out...if he tells you such and such happened, it didnt.

you mean he's ALWAYS a complete tool? man, I thought maybe he'd had some sort of brain injury that was causing him to temporarily write at the 3rd grade level.

[FrogMan]

Your talking about astrosfan...i think its general consensus that the truth of anything is the exact opposite of what he is saying...if he tells you so and so is going to win, their going to get blown out...if he tells you such and such happened, it didnt.

you mean he's ALWAYS a complete tool? man, I thought maybe he'd had some sort of brain injury that was causing him to temporarily write at the 3rd grade level.

No, I think he means that "that dude from Canada" means the exact opposite, something like "that chick from USA", likewise "the kid with the bald head" means "that 90 year old fellow with the afro"...

FM

[Blade6119]

No, I think he means that "that dude from Canada" means the exact opposite, something like "that chick from Australia", likewise "the kid with the bald head" means "that 90 year old fellow with the afro"...

FM

Well since the dude from canada didnt head the ball, i meant that dude from the US who did...and the kid with the bald head doesnt really apply either, although gooch might be a shaved head(though he wasnt talking about gooch)

[GoldenEagle]

Gooch is black?

[Blade6119]

Ya, he is (if your being serious)

[Big Fo]

A game like this shows why I wouldn't be a good coach. At 2-0 up I was impressed with our play in the second half, still attacking, trying to slam the door on Canada and not sitting back like we often do when winning. We were lucky to avoid extra-time down a man. Of course, we could have been 3-0 or 4-0 up as well.

I wonder if Canada will challenge for that 3rd World Cup qualifying spot/4th place playoff spot this time around. They have looked stronger than some of the other usual suspects.

[Mr. Wednesday]

I disagree. I think it is either no call or a send-off. If Onstad plays the man there, it is a send off. If the ref rules that Beasley could not have gotten the ball, then it is a no call or at the very most obstruction.
It's not obstruction, because he tripped Bease. It's not a no-call, because he brought Bease down too hard to let it go. But it's not DOGSO, for the reasons I enumerated earlier.

Edit: Didn't realize you were a ref, so now I know that your opinion is not uninformed, but I still disagree with you. :) I'm not a ref, but I hang around the referee forum on BigSoccer, so I probably know as much about how the refs commonly apply the laws as any lay person.

[astrosfan64]

Well since the dude from canada didnt head the ball, i meant that dude from the US who did...and the kid with the bald head doesnt really apply either, although gooch might be a shaved head(though he wasnt talking about gooch)

That dude from Canada with the bald head, is very accurate description of the guy. He isn't a name, nor did I feel it necessary to credit his thugary with a name. He is the bald headed dude from Canada.

http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?p=1485930#post1485930

BTW here are some of my other predictions on sporting events.

There was also the duke case I predicted would be thrown out, when a great many people had them guilty as charged.

On a serious note, I will tell you this. The Texans will have a better record then New Orleans and Tennessee this year. Proving that their pick was a better choice then either Young (over-rated) or Reggie Bush.

[Vinatieri for Prez]

Whatever.

[Blade6119]

On a serious note, I will tell you this. The Texans will have a better record then New Orleans and Tennessee this year. Proving that their pick was a better choice then either Young (over-rated) or Reggie Bush.
Ill hold you to that, and will shamelessly patronize you if it does not come true

[MIJB#19]

It's scary, but I find myself agreeing with RPI-Fan and GoldenEagle, at least based on the rules. Looking through the rules at FIFA.com (http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/affederation/federation/lotg2006%5fe%5f1581.pdf):
A player in an offside position is only penalised if, at the moment the
ball touches or is played by one of his team, he is, in the opinion of
the referee, involved in active play by:
• interfering with play or
• interfering with an opponent or
• gaining an advantage by being in that positionPoint three is at place here and the FIFA rule book even has an example picture of the sitauation at hand on page 65, marked with the number 12. The deflection of the USA defender doesn't really matter, since the Canadian attacker gained an advantage by being in an offside position on the moment of the pass, it's a still standing offence, providing the assistent-referee (the one holding the flag) saw the Canadian player offside at the moment of the long pass.

Of the images I saw on YouTube it's impossible to tell whether there was an offside situation. The image of the pass don't show the scorer and defenders, while the images of them don't show the hit moment of the pass. It's one of those situations where you just have to trust the referees for looking at the right spot at the right moment.

[Critch]

Of the images I saw on YouTube it's impossible to tell whether there was an offside situation. The image of the pass don't show the scorer and defenders, while the images of them don't show the hit moment of the pass. It's one of those situations where you just have to trust the referees for looking at the right spot at the right moment.

Is your argument really that the referee is correct because you can't tell from youtube so therefore you have to assume that the referee was correct?

The tv coverage had a camera at the side of the action that showed that when the original shot was taken, the goalscorer was in an onside position. Whether Onyewu controlled the ball or just deflected it doesn't matter, the player is onside because when the Canadian player passed it forward he was onside.

[Mr. Wednesday]

One-stepping from Tivo and FSC, it looked to me as though: Hutchinson was definitely in an offside position up until the moment that the ball was played. At the moment the ball was played, he may have been even. Immediately after it was played, he had moved a fraction upfield of Bocanegra.

The problem with judging it is that I have only a single mow line to use for perspective in setting the offside line. I've seen a still photo from the same moment where the 18 also appears, and the angle on that leads me to believe that I may have the offside line at the wrong angle, and Hutchinson may even be offside when the ball is played.

After looking over the current version of the LOTG, I don't see an exception for a ball played by a defender, so I wonder if that is actually still supposed to figure into the decision by the officials.

[Critch]

After looking over the current version of the LOTG, I don't see an exception for a ball played by a defender, so I wonder if that is actually still supposed to figure into the decision by the officials.

The rule is that you can only be in an offside position if the ball is played by one of your team-mates, so you can't be offside if the ball was played to you by an opponent. Generally that means if you intercept a backpass you're not offside, but if you are in an offside position and your teammate passes to you and it deflects off a defender, you're still offside.

I don't think you can say Onyewu controlled the ball and passed it (because he didn't :) ), so it's all down to where Hutchinson was when the original pass was made. Looked to me like he was at the very least level with the last defender.

[astrosfan64]

There were quite a few times where EJ was called offsides where the call could of gone either way.

Looking at things frame by frame I mean come on? You expect a linesman to be able to do that? It could of gone either way and that when went against Canada. BTW that still would of only tied it.

[Crim]

Ill hold you to that, and will shamelessly patronize you when it does not come true

Cmon, B6119, yer slipping.

[FrogMan]

There were quite a few times where EJ was called offsides where the call could of gone either way.

Looking at things frame by frame I mean come on? You expect a linesman to be able to do that? It could of gone either way and that when went against Canada. BTW that still would of only tied it.

I don't care much for the discussion at this point but I'd like to point out that it's spelled could have, and would have.

That is all... :)

FM

[astrosfan64]

I don't care much for the discussion at this point but I'd like to point out that it's spelled could have, and would have.

That is all... :)

FM

Thank you sir!

[daedalus]

I don't care much for the discussion at this point but I'd like to point out that it's spelled could have, and would have.

That is all... :)

FMThat's right there with rogue/rouge and your/you're for me.

I heart Frogger.

And not just because Andrew can kick my butt, either.

[Sgran]

Man, the last time I saw Canada and the US square off, the Canucks gave us a real whuppin. It was like 44-10 or something like that. It's a good thing noone cares about rugby.

[Oilers9911]

There were quite a few times where EJ was called offsides where the call could of gone either way.

Looking at things frame by frame I mean come on? You expect a linesman to be able to do that? It could of gone either way and that when went against Canada. BTW that still would of only tied it.

Would have only tied it...to send it to extra time...with the US down to 10 men. ONLY tied it, as opposed to losing. Shake your head.

[Critch]

Fox Soccer Report did a good piece on the disallowed goal last night. Showed it from the best angle in slow motion, explained the rule, and mentioned that they'd talked to an American and Canadian ref who both agreed it was a blown call.

They also mentioned that some of the Canadian players said the linesman told them he'd disallowed the goal as he thought Onyewu's header had been from a Canadian player, which would have made it offside.

[MIJB#19]

Is your argument really that the referee is correct because you can't tell from youtube so therefore you have to assume that the referee was correct?

The tv coverage had a camera at the side of the action that showed that when the original shot was taken, the goalscorer was in an onside position. Whether Onyewu controlled the ball or just deflected it doesn't matter, the player is onside because when the Canadian player passed it forward he was onside.The images I saw where clearly a copy past of tv coverage and it didn't show the pass and the onside/offside situation in the same screenshot. I'm saying from what I saw, I have no way to tell whether it was a offside or not. Referees make mistakes, even big ones in big games (heck, I even mentioned a referee decission in the discussion about biggest sports blunders, about a week or two ago). You posted that the assistent-referee waved his flag because of Onyewu's header (where it should have been inspite of), which does sound like he/they made a bad decission. At the moment I wrote my earlier post, I hadn't seen anything that could put the referees in a 'mistake' conclusion to me.

[cthomer5000]

dola:

Lets not forget the TERRIBLE yellow to donavon for the dive? I mean come on that was a horrible call.

They could have just as easily done nothing, but I had absolutely no problem with that card. It was a dive. Dempsey actually had a worse one at one point, as has been the only US player consistently going down easily in this tournament.

[astrosfan64]

Watching the replay of the game.

They just showed replay of a Canadian handball inside their box 3 times. The ref missed that call, holy crap, i mean come on. OMG I can't believe it. Because the ref missed that call we lost the game.

Oh, wait a minute we still won the game.

Canada was outplayed by the US that is why they lost.

[Oilers9911]

Watching the replay of the game.

They just showed replay of a Canadian handball inside their box 3 times. The ref missed that call, holy crap, i mean come on. OMG I can't believe it. Because the ref missed that call we lost the game.

Oh, wait a minute we still won the game.

Canada was outplayed by the US that is why they lost.

Just STFU. You know as much about soccer as you do baseball and football which isn't much. You're just a less likeable jbmagic for God's sake.

[MJ4H]

haha

[astrosfan64]

Just STFU. You know as much about soccer as you do baseball and football which isn't much. You're just a less likeable jbmagic for God's sake.

:)

[nilodor]

Canada was outplayed by the US that is why they lost.


For sure in the first half, the second half I think Canada bested the Americans by a fair bit.

I think Donovan has to be pretty happy at the offsides because if the goal did stand and the US lost in extra time he'd be getting alot of heat for that whiff inside the box with an open net.

[Crim]

Just STFU. You know as much about soccer as you do baseball and football which isn't much. You're just a less likeable jbmagic for God's sake.

This is a funny post. I'm not saying I agree with it. But it's funny.

[Oilers9911]

This is a funny post. I'm not saying I agree with it. But it's funny.

So wait, does that mean he is a more likeable jbmagic? :)

[Crim]

Hmm. More likeable. More, umm, intelligent, maybe? More capable of rolling with it when he's wrong. I actually respect the way he can make fun of his misses.

But not as entertaining. I mean this sincerely, not one of you bastiches is nearly so funny as jbmagic. I've been on this board for days, and more so than anyone else, here or elsewhere on the internets, jbmagic was funny as all get out.