NFL week 6 "Desperation Time"

[RendeR]

Didn't see a thread for this weekend yet so I thought I'd start it with this:

The Carolina Panthers have Signed Vinny Testaverde to a 1 year contract"

Some teams are grabbing for towels to throw in and they don't care how old those towels may be.

Carry on!

[korme]

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We have no room to talk man :(

[Doug5984]

Well if we go 0-5, at least we could then hope to bring in the local boy- Glen Dorsey with our top 5 pick...

Oh the life of a Saints fan :(

[RendeR]

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We have no room to talk man :(


Why not? We compete week in and week out. We have enough injuries to fill a roster. We have a defense that is lucky it can put a linebacker on the field. We have an offensive coordinator who can't game plan his way out of a paper bag until we're already screwed.

Why can't we talk? We got nothing to lose.:mad:

[Radii]

Every time I watch Carolina, the only thing I can think is that this is the worst 3-2 team in history. That's probably hyperbole, but really, they could easily be 0-5.

[Wolfpack]

Well, they did pummel the Rams, so I think 1-4 is more likely. But, yeah, the Panthers are seriously blowing this year. Easily the worst 3-2 team in the league. At least they're in the South (man has our division tanked or what?), so there's pretty solid hopes for the playoffs if only because everyone else in the division is about as wretched as we are.

[Passacaglia]

Well, they did pummel the Rams, so I think 1-4 is more likely. But, yeah, the Panthers are seriously blowing this year. Easily the worst 3-2 team in the league. At least they're in the South (man has our division tanked or what?), so there's pretty solid hopes for the playoffs if only because everyone else in the division is about as wretched as we are.

At the Chicago meet-up, Barkeep suggested the 49ers were the worst 3-2 team out there, and I suggested the Lions. There's a lot of room for debate on this one, I guess.

[dime]

the rampant discrimination towards and lack of respect for the mighty new england patriots continues!

FOXBOROUGH, Mass. -- The NFL has fined New England Patriots (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=nwe) linebacker Mike Vrabel (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=3982) $5,000 for an incident late in Sunday's game against the Browns (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=cle) that members of the Browns said was "dirty," according to Boston-area media reports.

The Browns were infuriated when, with 11 seconds left and the Browns running a play to spike the ball dead, Vrabel went low on Browns rookie left tackle Joe Thomas (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=8257), pushing him into quarterback Derek Anderson (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=7389).

"You've got to get fined for that," Browns left guard Eric Steinbach (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=6369) said of the play after the game. "If he's going to keep going on like that, maybe he doesn't care about a $5,000 fine. But I wouldn't want that reputation."

Vrabel said Friday on ESPN Radio that he would appeal. Earlier this week, when asked about Steinbach's comments, Vrabel said, "I'm sorry that they feel that way. I don't play that way, and I'm sorry they feel that way. We're going to move on."

[JAG]

You want to talk desperate? In an innocent little article about Qunicy Carter getting busted for pot possession again (hxxp://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3062195), a little sentence at the end floored me:

Earlier this year, ESPN.com reported that one NFC team was considering the possibility of signing Carter, but that never materialized.


I mean, how desperate do you have to be to consider signing a guy who was busy flaming out with the minor league Arena league?

Then I thought, what team in the NFC was in desperate need of a QB and also noted that Carter played his college ball at the U. of Georgia...

[RendeR]

One thing I noticed recently also, is the utter non-existance of QB talent in the southeast of the NFL.

Moving north you got, Miami, Tampa, Jax, Atlanta, Carolina.

You've got a young, though semingly talented guy in Washinton and a grizzled veteran in baltimore, a busted up vet in Philly....

I mean its kinda Ugly down there from a QB perspective.

[Rizon]

Dolphin's already down by 7 three minutes into the game.

In other surprising news: Lance Bass is gay.

[saldana]

what in the hell are the jets wearing.

[RendeR]

Dolphin's already down by 7 three minutes into the game.

In other surprising news: Lance Bass is gay.


Who?

[Comey]

what in the hell are the jets wearing.

Their 1960s unis, like the Eagles wore theirs a few weeks ago.

I kind of like them.

[Rizon]

Dolphin's first drive:
Sack
Ronnie Brown for 11 yards
Incomplete

Pretty much shows where the talent is on this team.

[RendeR]

7-3 Bengals, who's yer momma 42 yard TD catch and run.

[saldana]

Their 1960s unis, like the Eagles wore theirs a few weeks ago.

I kind of like them.

i keep thinking i am watching a chargers game

on the other hand, i am loving the 75 yard td catch from kevin curtis

[saldana]

dola, followed by the missed field goal by the jets(not chargers)

[Coffee Warlord]

Devin Hester, you are ridiculous.

[saldana]

looks like eagles that played against detroit are back...either that or the jets suck

[RendeR]

.either that or the jets suck


Is this even a question? The Jets are awful.

[saldana]

Is this even a question? The Jets are awful.

i know....this is the third or fourth week they have been on here and i have been stuck watching them....god i miss sunday ticket

[Eaglesfan27]

Is this even a question? The Jets are awful.

True, but the Eagles have a few guys back. L.J. Smith does make a difference and they are finally getting the ball to Reggie Brown at least a few more times.

[saldana]

True, but the Eagles have a few guys back. L.J. Smith does make a difference and they are finally getting the ball to Reggie Brown at least a few more times.

i think the biggest thing is that the eagles WR/TE's are actually holding on to the ball when mcnabb hits them in the hands with it.

[JeeberD]

What? How long has Charles Woodson been a Packer?

[RendeR]

Seriously ugly game in KC today, neither team can do anything right.

[Rizon]

What? How long has Charles Woodson been a Packer?

Well, he did play for the Raiders ...

[saldana]

Dolphin's already down by 7 three minutes into the game.


things dont appear to be improving here...

[RendeR]

Someone sit down and study the Bengals tape and figure out WTF Carson is doing that tips off the DB's. He's thrown balls right into their hands this season and thats not like him.

[GreenMonster]

Dolphin's already down by 7 three minutes into the game.

In other surprising news: Lance Bass is gay.

This is brutal to watch. The Dolphins look like total garbage. The only player doing anything is Ronnie Brown, who on any other team would be a Superstar. 24-3 with a 50 yard Ginn return, brought back by holding. Typical.:mad:

[RendeR]

At least Miami has the benefit of knowing they have no real talent besides Brown on the team.

I'm watching the Bengals look worse than Miami and this team has shitloads of talent.

There is just no excuse. WTF is the staff doing with these guys?

[rowech]

I HATE BENGALS COACHING.....I HATE BENGALS COACHING.....I HATE BENGALS COACHING.....I HATE BENGALS COACHING.....I HATE BENGALS COACHING

[larrymcg421]

I'm at work and can only read the play by play, so I have a question:

Are the Dolphins using 11 players on defense?

[Comey]

The Eagles are pissing me off beyond belief.

They keep shooting themselves in the foot, and they've allowed the Jets to run on them at will.

It looks like they're finally starting to stiffen, and get to Pennington.

Also, is any Eagle fan worried that they'll be going into the END ZONE OF DOOM~! in the 4th quarter? Akers was *awful*...and that's an understatement...at that end of the stadium.

Even though they have the lead, I don't like how things are shaping up.

[saldana]

The Eagles are pissing me off beyond belief.

They keep shooting themselves in the foot, and they've allowed the Jets to run on them at will.

It looks like they're finally starting to stiffen, and get to Pennington.

Also, is any Eagle fan worried that they'll be going into the END ZONE OF DOOM~! in the 4th quarter? Akers was *awful*...and that's an understatement...at that end of the stadium.

Even though they have the lead, I don't like how things are shaping up.


i think they are bipolar...the first quarter they were unbelievable and now they look like the team that played against the giants.

[larrymcg421]

I wouldn't be surprised if the Dolphins figure out a way to give up points during halftime.

[saldana]

and here ends the tennesee season....now playing QB, kerry collins.

[Greyroofoo]

Vince Young hurts himself running out of bounds.

Kerry Collins is in.

[DeToxRox]

Vince Young hurts himself running out of bounds. Looks like he pulled his hammy

[Icy]

Come on, first return for TD from T.Ginn and there was a holding pen.

[larrymcg421]

CLE kicked off, T. Ginn Jr. returned kickoff for 81 yards. MIA committed 10 yard penalty

:mad:

[saldana]

Vince Young hurts himself running out of bounds.

Kerry Collins is in.

Vince Young hurts himself running out of bounds. Looks like he pulled his hammy

I WIN:D

[Greyroofoo]

I WIN:D

:(

[GreenMonster]

CLE kicked off, T. Ginn Jr. returned kickoff for 81 yards. MIA committed 10 yard penalty

:mad:

It would have been a 96 yard return and a beauty. He isn't nearly as physical as Hester yet, but both have sprinters speed.

[Rizon]

Wow, Dolphins making a comeback!

[larrymcg421]

The only thing bad about the Dolphins scoring a TD is that now they have to go on defense.

[larrymcg421]

I will not get excited, I will not get excited, I will not get excited.

[Icy]

Uhh did somebody replaced Cleo Lemon for a decent QB in the half time? the Dolphins are playing like they have not done for the whole season.
3TD for Lemon so far, 1 passing, 2 rushing.

[Rizon]

I will not get excited, I will not get excited, I will not get excited.

Please don't screw this up Cameron, please don't screw this up Cameron, please don't screw this up Cameron.

[highfiveoh]

Adrian Peterson is making the Chicago Bears his bitch.

[DeToxRox]

Adrian Peterson 73 yard TD .. now has 11 for 170 yards

[Surtt]

He already had one for 67 yards.

[Izulde]

Please don't screw this up Cameron, please don't screw this up Cameron, please don't screw this up Cameron.

""""""""

[bulletsponge]

Adrian Peterson 73 yard TD .. now has 11 for 170 yards

holy crap! hes a beast!! woot!!

now if the Vikes can get a QB they might win some

[Izulde]

Great... I turn on NFL Game Center website and the fucking Browns score. :mad:

We're losing to freaking CLEVELAND!

[Rizon]

Please don't screw this up Cameron, please don't screw this up Cameron, please don't screw this up Cameron.

Spoke too soon. Instead of handing off to our stud RB, he calls:

Last Play: 3-3-MIA 29(9:15) C.Lemon pass incomplete short left to T.Ginn.

[Izulde]

You know, it's pretty fucking sad when your team's defense sucks so god damned bad, you should've just gone with the D that has a Bye week to get 0 points rather than get assfucked by the shitty ass NEGATIVE POINTS your team's D will give you in fantasy football.

God, it sucks being a Dolphins fan this year.

[Greyroofoo]

Kerry Collins <3 replay

[Izulde]

Fuck you Cam Cameron. Fuck you shitty ass front office.

And fuck the god damn 30 to -1 statline I have going right now in fantasy.

-6 points.

Ugh, I'm gonna go get drunk and pretend I didn't witness the last 25 minutes.

[highfiveoh]

AP/AD goes over 200 w/ 3 TD's. Fantasy football player's dream.

Edit: 231 yards on the ground.

[Greyroofoo]

Did Joey Porter ever get a hug?

[Rizon]

Did Joey Porter ever get a hug?

Forget Joey. *I* need a hug. :(

[Neon_Chaos]

Peterson's a beast. jeez.

[SirFozzie]

Wow, 10-10 Tennessee tied it up with Vince Young out (Injury), Collins in, and Tampa Bay just converted a huge third and long with 1:00 to play.

[bulletsponge]

so much Dolphin hate going on in here, and its from thier own fans!!!

[Neon_Chaos]

HESTER CAN DO IT ALL!!!!

TOUCHDOWN!!!!!!!!

[Neon_Chaos]

31-31. WOW.

[Neon_Chaos]

What a game. :D

[Eaglesfan27]

HESTER CAN DO IT ALL!!!!

TOUCHDOWN!!!!!!!!

Wow. Heck of a play by Hester and a very good throw by Griese.

[Neon_Chaos]

It's the Hester - Peterson show.

LOL.

[Neon_Chaos]

Nice tackle by Briggs. It's all on the Vikings' kicking squad now.

[Neon_Chaos]

Crap. :)

[Surtt]

That was a roller coaster ending.

[Chief Rum]

Spoke too soon. Instead of handing off to our stud RB, he calls:

Last Play: 3-3-MIA 29(9:15) C.Lemon pass incomplete short left to T.Ginn.

Miami fans should put that line in their sigs. It says absolutely everything wrong about what happened in the offseason.

[SirFozzie]

The score after one drive..

The "Original" 81: 0
The "Other" 81: 7 :)

It's like the Pats have perfected (so far), how the West Coast Offense is supposed to work.

[molson]

I think that was actually the worst opening drive for the Pats this season.

There was a bunch of incompletions.

[jeff061]

I think that was actually the worst opening drive for the Pats this season.

There was a bunch of incompletions.

Cowboys were getting in Brady's face some, let's see if that continues.

[molson]

Cowboys were getting in Brady's face some, let's see if that continues.

Ya, I was only being partly-facetious there - that's the only way to beat the Pats, and they did get there a few times.

[larrymcg421]

Dolphins had two losing seasons from 1970-2003. They are now headed for 3 out of the last 4. Jimmy, Dave, and Nick really fucked this team up.

[Thomkal]

Tim Rattay vs Testaverde in just week 6 of the season. What a disaster for both teams. At least it doesn't sound like Carr or Warner for my beloved Cards is injured too seriously.

[ISiddiqui]

Wow... that Adrian Peterson... he be good.

[Surtt]

holy crap! hes a beast!! woot!!

now if the Vikes can get a QB they might win some


Peterson ended with

224 yards on 20 carries with 3 TDs (67, 73, & 35 yards)
1 reception for 9 yards
4 returns for 128 yards

Thats 361 yards on the day.

Edit: His 361 all-purpose yards are the third-highest total in NFL history.

[k0ruptr]

Testaverde for president!

[SirFozzie]

Brady-Welker, 14-0.

Thanks Miami. We appreciate him and Sammy Morris :)

[Karlifornia]

Here was a letter to the editor from the San Jose Mercury News about the 49ers....

Incentive program for Nolan: He is no longer allowed to wear the suit but is told he can earn it. He is then given an English boarding school uniform with the shorts, the high socks and the blouse. Then with each win he can choose one item of the suit that he can add to his ensemble until eventually he earns the full suit. The jacket might be withheld until he secures a spot in the playoffs. For the Super Bowl, he gets a tux.

Charley Lochtefeld
Santa Cruz

[Eaglesfan27]

I want a close entertaining game which NE wins, as I hate the Cowboys, but I thought this was going to turn into a boring game until tha fumble TD return.

[k0ruptr]

sweet Dallas D fantasy points.

[molson]

Tuck rule?

[Lathum]

this just in


Tom Brady is human...

[Lathum]

sweet Dallas D fantasy points.

you actualy played Dallas' D today?

[k0ruptr]

you actualy played Dallas' D today?

lol. I almost benched them, but my other D is on a bye week.

[k0ruptr]

oh, and Thomas Howard is a BALLER.

pick 6

[SirFozzie]

Eeee.. that's NASTY.. how the hell is he walking?

[SirFozzie]

Welker! 21-10.

[molson]

Eeee.. that's NASTY.. how the hell is he walking?

Those kinds of injuries always look worse than they are. The human ankle is a pretty amazing thing.

[k0ruptr]

anyone but welker geez.

[Chief Rum]

oh, and Thomas Howard is a BALLER.

pick 6

Heh...picked him up last night in my fantasy league. Yippee!

[DeToxRox]

So Kurt Warner is hurt too?

[cartman]

Cowboys are on fire. Take their first lead of the game, 24-21.

[Eaglesfan27]

Sheesh. That was an amazing play by Barber.

[SirFozzie]

Sheesh. That was an amazing play by Barber.

The best two yard run this week

[SirFozzie]

Great Stand by the Pats. With the lead again, hopefully to stay.

[SirFozzie]

And Welker pulls a Marion Barber.

[SirFozzie]

Even if it gets reversed that is a fucking awesome catch.

[molson]

Amazing

[Izulde]

Please let the catch stand. I need all the fantasy points I can get.

[Chief Rum]

Out here in LA, we don't get Pats-Boys, but Raiders-Bolts. Not bad, but gimme a break!

Anyway, the Raiders are down two TDs and went for it on 4th and 12 inside the Chargers' 30. And Culpepper to Curry got it done. Gutsy call. They're trying to make it worth it by scoring.

[Chief Rum]

And they got it. Culpepper to Miller.

[DaddyTorgo]

I don't think it will stand

[DaddyTorgo]

ballz. That was a hell of a catch anyways randy. kudos. And we'll take the roughing the passer penalty

[SirFozzie]

Damn. At least the penalty stood.

[DaddyTorgo]

cowboys=penalty happy

[Buccaneer]

That's the LT I know and love.

[cartman]

I really thought the PI call in the end zone should gave gone against Moss. The replays showed him just running completely over the defensive back, who had established position.

But yeah, the Cowboys aren't helping themselves with all of the other penalties.

[SirFozzie]

Huge play here..

[SirFozzie]

Ouch. Holding negates a first down run.

Wade Phillips looks disgusted.

[Izulde]

fucking Steve Smith... bitchass just had to put up 20 points just when I was enjoying my fantasy lead

53-43 down and it's looking grim from here on out.

Bleh. Oh well, at least I only have 1 class tomorrow. I intend to sleep the day away.

[Buccaneer]

Ouch. Holding negates a first down run.

Wade Phillips looks disgusted.

Wade has been standing on the sidelines with that befuddled, disgusted look for 20 years now.

[Icy]

Brady-Welker, 14-0.

Thanks Miami. We appreciate him and Sammy Morris :)

Welker was my favorite receiver in Miami (way more than "1% amazing catches, 99% drops Chambers"), i can't underestand how he was traded (a 2nd and 7th are good picks but...)

At least i have him starting for me in my fantasy.

[SirFozzie]

BOOYAKSHA!

Brady-Stallworth 69 yards, 5 TD's for Brady, career high

[SirFozzie]

Wow.. Cowboys aren't giving up, HUGE KO return.

[Lathum]

The Pats are really good

[SirFozzie]

Sheesh, your teams scores 27 points and still in the game with 10:00 to play, and you BOO? Stay classy, Cowboy fans...

[bronconick]

Your team is not in the game having given up 38 already and still down two scores. That's obvious 4 down territory.

[Lathum]

Your team is not in the game having given up 38 already and still down two scores. That's obvious 4 down territory.

I agree.

[SirFozzie]

WEAK call.

[DaddyTorgo]

too bad there moss. You coulda had another td and close to 100 yds

[DaddyTorgo]

alright...let's get randy another td here and then call it a day

[jeff061]

Pats have closed out every game this year (I think) with a drive like this.

[molson]

LOL at the Cowboys playing it conservative down 2 scores to the Patriots.

Seriously, that was ridiculous. The NFC is a disaster. Who are the Super Bowl Contenders? Green Bay?

[DaddyTorgo]

bah. Brady coulda tossed that one up there for moss to leap up and grab I think.

essentially ballgame though with the FG

[Raiders Army]

The Raiders go from 1st in the AFC West to last in the AFC West. LOL.

[Thomkal]

So Kurt Warner is hurt too?

Yes got hit in the shoulder/elbow by Julius Peppers while trying to recover a fumble. They say it's a sprain, showed him on the sidelines with ice on it. It's is his non-throwing arm, so I'm hoping he'll be able to come back next week.

Cause if not its Tim Rattay, Tim Hasselbeck, and WR Urban as their QB's most likely.

[SirFozzie]

Ouch. That's the ball game.

[Cringer]

I would just like to thank Jesus for helping the Packers win. I understand him and KGB are tight, so that is helping things this season.

In all seriousness, what a great game by the Packers defense, who pretty much won that game by themselves after the first offensive drive by the Packers was over and done with. I was pissed as hell about the offense at halftime, and the play of the Packer's safeties. Thank goodness one of those groups (the safeties) greatly improved their playmaking in the second half. Bigby can drive me nuts by his blown coverages sometimes (first half), and then he can makes some big plays sometimes (second half).

I hope the Packers spend the next two weeks(bye week next week) doing nothing but running the ball. Practice nothing but running. Then do it some more. Please.

5-1 and the Bears lost to make it an even better day.

[Buccaneer]

The Pats are really good

+1

Extra sweet they beat the Cowboys.

[Buccaneer]

LOL at the Cowboys playing it conservative down 2 scores to the Patriots.

Seriously, that was ridiculous. The NFC is a disaster. Who are the Super Bowl Contenders? Green Bay?

That's an odd thing to say. They get beat by one of the best teams we've seen in years and all of a sudden they are not the best in the extremely weak NFC??? If it was the Packers, it would have been a 35 points blowout.

[Cringer]

I would like to thank the Patriots for putting the Cowboys in their place a little. Now I won't have to endure another week of Cowboy fans on the radio bragging about how great they are.

Now we just need someone to bring the Patriots back down to Earth some.

(Basically it was a win-win for me either way)

[SirFozzie]

agreed... the Cowboys have nothing to be ashamed about. They played the Pats best out of all the other teams they played.

And the scrubberini scores a TD... :)

edit:
Pats out score the 'Boys 27-3 over the last 20 minutes, and they left points on the board (the Moss reversal)

[Jas_lov]

LOL at the Cowboys playing it conservative down 2 scores to the Patriots.

Seriously, that was ridiculous. The NFC is a disaster. Who are the Super Bowl Contenders? Green Bay?

Yes. Green Bay and Dallas are the best the NFC has to offer. I think both teams would get blown out like Dallas is tonight by Indy or New England. The Steelers are also probably better than anything the NFC has. The Pats won't have any competition until they play Indy in a few weeks and by then they should have their division clinched. The other 3 teams in the Patriots division have a combined 2 wins. In the NFC, who would have thought that the Bears and Saints would be at the bottom of their division and the Packers and Buccaneers would be at the top?

[Eaglesfan27]

I was doing well in the FOFC keeper league this week with a big lead after the early games. My opponent had Brady who put up 52.5 points in the league :(

Fun game to watch, and I'll stand by my earlier statement: I think the Pats are going to go 16-0 if Brady doesn't get injured. The whole scandal about taping will help keep them motivated enough to do it, and they certainly have the talent.

[Cringer]

That's an odd thing to say. They get beat by one of the best teams we've seen in years and all of a sudden they are not the best in the extremely weak NFC??? If it was the Packers, it would have been a 35 points blowout.

At this point of the season (and as a Packer fan), I tend to agree with you. The Packers are not a Superbowl team until they can run for a first down on a 3rd and 1 play. As much as I enjoy the 5-1 record right now, I know the Patriots would smack them around most likely.

Dallas is tops in the NFC right now, like it or not. Washington could be pretty damn good (for the NFC) by the end of the year and more time for Jason Campbell at QB, I am impressed with him. Who knows what happens with Tampa Bay and the injury plagued RBs, but I thought the Titans would beat them today and they pulled it out.

I look forward to the Dallas-Redskin games though, as well as the Packers at Dallas the week after Thanksgiving.

[SirFozzie]

I have to admit, Olbermann can be funny when he's making fun of folks, like the Pats )

[DaddyTorgo]

scary thing about the pats at this point:

harrison isn't even back to full-speed I would guess, and they're still missing Seymour. Not to mention that they were playing with their #3 RB for most of this game.

[Rizon]

How bad is the AFC East?

Pats aside, the rest of the teams are 2-15.

[Abe Sargent]

One thing I noticed recently also, is the utter non-existance of QB talent in the southeast of the NFL.

Moving north you got, Miami, Tampa, Jax, Atlanta, Carolina.

You've got a young, though semingly talented guy in Washinton and a grizzled veteran in baltimore, a busted up vet in Philly....

I mean its kinda Ugly down there from a QB perspective.

David Garrard is looking pretty good with pretty poor receivers.

EDIT - 105 QB Rating, no picks, lost a fumble though. 4-1 team.

[saldana]

i played against brady in fantasy this week...i dont even want to see my boxscore after that game.

edit to add: he had stallworth too...i lost

[DaddyTorgo]

T.O. at his press conference

Q: "How did you think Moss played today?"
A: "Next Question."

LOL. Guess we know how he feels that played out.

You know what though...props to T.O. He's giving solid team-oriented answers...when they asked him how he did he said "Look...we lost the game alright. It's a team game."

Maybe he's actually seen the light??

[Arles]

I would just like to thank Jesus for helping the Packers win. I understand him and KGB are tight, so that is helping things this season.

In all seriousness, what a great game by the Packers defense, who pretty much won that game by themselves after the first offensive drive by the Packers was over and done with. I was pissed as hell about the offense at halftime, and the play of the Packer's safeties. Thank goodness one of those groups (the safeties) greatly improved their playmaking in the second half. Bigby can drive me nuts by his blown coverages sometimes (first half), and then he can makes some big plays sometimes (second half).

I hope the Packers spend the next two weeks(bye week next week) doing nothing but running the ball. Practice nothing but running. Then do it some more. Please.

5-1 and the Bears lost to make it an even better day.
The Packers had 14 points taken off the board by a bogus holding call and an obvious force out (almost the exact play by Bubba that the refs gave Chicago last week). The coaching play of the game may have been putting Hawk in man coverage on Cooley in the second half. Cooley had 7 catches for 97 yards in the first half and 2 catches for 8 yards in the second.

The running game is a mess though, but the defense and special teams are very good to this point. Brett's been a little hit and miss, but there's every reason to think this team will continue to get better every week. I think they are the second youngest team in the NFL.

[SirFozzie]

Camera delay on Sunday Night

[molson]

That's an odd thing to say. They get beat by one of the best teams we've seen in years and all of a sudden they are not the best in the extremely weak NFC??? If it was the Packers, it would have been a 35 points blowout.

That was kind of my point, how weak the NFC is. The Cowboys weren't terribly impressive last week either, and their wins are against teams with an overall record of 6-22. You can only play who's in front of you and all that, I was just expressing surprise that the Cowboys and Packers are the class of the conference right now, that there's nothing even close to being better.

[Eaglesfan27]

Interesting stat according to 2ksport's ticker: Brady is the first QB in NFL history to throw for at least 3 TD's in each of the first 6 games of an NFL season.

[DaddyTorgo]

Interesting stat according to 2ksport's ticker: Brady is the first QB in NFL history to throw for at least 3 TD's in each of the first 6 games of an NFL season.

Tom Brady is actually the Second Coming.

[st.cronin]

Tom Brady is your daddy.

[DaddyTorgo]

Tom Brady is your daddy.

Tom Brady is actually everyone's daddy. He's Adam. His seed traveled back in time and impregnated Eve.

[Rizon]

I think Seattle might be the only team Miami could beat.

[DaddyTorgo]

I think if miami can't beat buffalo you have to look at them as legit contenders for 0-16

[st.cronin]

I think Seattle might be the only team Miami could beat.

I think they could probably beat the Akron Zips.

[DaddyTorgo]

for what little it counts, jim nantz just called this pats team "the best i've ever seen."

[k0ruptr]

for what little it counts, jim nantz just called this pats team "the best i've ever seen."

yea, I thought I saw him on his knees in front of Brady a little earlier too.

[Buccaneer]

yea, I thought I saw him on his knees in front of Brady a little earlier too.

You're the one to talk, esp. how you squirt your Rainbows stuff all over the board. :D

[k0ruptr]

hahaha, good one.

anyway This Keith Olberman stuff is fkn stupid.

[k0ruptr]

ok, why does anything with pineapple in it always referred to as "Hawaiian" lol, so dumb.

[k0ruptr]

BALLS by NO going for it on 4th on their own 30

[Raiders Army]

I'd love it if Miami's only win was against New England and New England's only loss would be against Miami...not next week, but Dec 23rd.

[molson]

I'd love it if Miami's only win was against New England and New England's only loss would be against Miami...not next week, but Dec 23rd.

Well, it was a horrible Miami team that ended the Patriots record winning streak a few years back - 21 games was it?

Edit - No, after looking back, I'm thinking of the 2-11 Dolphins team that beat the 12-1 Patriots 29-28 in 2004.

[jeff061]

I'd love it if Miami's only win was against New England and New England's only loss would be against Miami...not next week, but Dec 23rd.

Pretty possible. If by some chance New England goes 14 or 15-0 I don't see them playing starters the last two weeks.

Still, silly to even be discussing it.

[molson]

What in the sam hell was that?

[flere-imsaho]

AP/AD goes over 200 w/ 3 TD's. Fantasy football player's dream.

And I started him for both of my FF teams this week. Needless to say, I'm on track to win both by heavy margins. :)

[Arles]

The Packers had 14 points taken off the board by a bogus holding call and an obvious force out (almost the exact play by Bubba that the refs gave Chicago last week).
Looks like Peter King agrees:

Goats of the Week

Referee Terry McAulay's crew at Green Bay-Washington, for an overall poor job and costing the Packers two legitimate touchdowns. First, there was a pathetic holding call on right tackle Mark Tauscher, negating one Favre touchdown pass; there was nothing close to a hold on the play. Last year, the officials were told not to call offensive holding unless it was something an official actually saw. Well, there's no way an official saw holding on Tauscher. Never happened. Then, a second Packers TD throw was negated when Bubba Franks cleanly caught a pass in the corner of the end zone with one foot down before getting driven out of the end zone by Washington cornerback Fred Smoot. Incomplete. Insane.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/peter_king/10/14/mmqb/3.html
Just glad these calls didn't cost GB the game.

[Desnudo]

I'd love it if Miami's only win was against New England and New England's only loss would be against Miami...not next week, but Dec 23rd.

I think the Patriots' first loss will be against the Colts.

[Butter]

Is it time yet? My watch says it is....

FIRE MARVIN LEWIS.

Don't care about the LB injuries. Don't care about the offensive line injuries.

This offense is bogged down by repetitive play calling. The imagination that was wowing people 2 years ago has become boring and predictable. Marvin has had 4 years to improve the defense, and right now they are one of the worst in football, even with healthy linebackers. He has brought the team back to respectability, but now it is time for a coach to come in who can take this team and its offense to the next level. Hell, I'd settle for a single playoff win, considering the state of the AFC and its complete and utter dominance by New England, Indianapolis, and Pittsburgh.

I have lost confidence with the first few weeks of the season that the current regime can get the Bengals there. I believed for a long time, but everyone around here has lost faith, including the players. There is no fire, just frustration. I couldn't even watch most of the second half yesterday and watch the team pretty much just go through the motions. And this was after a bye week that was supposed to "correct" all of the problems. Just horrible.

[rowech]

Is it time yet? My watch says it is....

FIRE MARVIN LEWIS.

Don't care about the LB injuries. Don't care about the offensive line injuries.

This offense is bogged down by repetitive play calling. The imagination that was wowing people 2 years ago has become boring and predictable. Marvin has had 4 years to improve the defense, and right now they are one of the worst in football, even with healthy linebackers. He has brought the team back to respectability, but now it is time for a coach to come in who can take this team and its offense to the next level. Hell, I'd settle for a single playoff win, considering the state of the AFC and its complete and utter dominance by New England, Indianapolis, and Pittsburgh.

I have lost confidence with the first few weeks of the season that the current regime can get the Bengals there. I believed for a long time, but everyone around here has lost faith, including the players. There is no fire, just frustration. I couldn't even watch most of the second half yesterday and watch the team pretty much just go through the motions. And this was after a bye week that was supposed to "correct" all of the problems. Just horrible.

I've been saying he should go for a year now...he lost the team last year but it's showing more now than ever.

[Lathum]

I didn't see it mentioned here, but what the fuck was Holmgren thinking at the end of that game?

[Ironhead]

I can already tell from the pregame shows that I will need to mute MNF tonight and listen to the Falcons announcers on the radio. I guarantee you whether the Falcons play great or poorly the announcers will somehow find a way to loop it back to Vick. Especially with Kornheiser in the booth.

[bhlloy]

Something I've always wondered - do all the roughing the kicker penalties actually make it worth trying to block a punt? It's a great play sure, but if you don't score the touchdown it's probably only a gain of 40 and I'm willing to bet each team gets at least 5 roughing the kicker penalties for every blocked punt. That's 75 yards in penalties, and each one keeps a drive alive and is killing your defense.

[sabotai]

Something I've always wondered - do all the roughing the kicker penalties actually make it worth trying to block a punt? It's a great play sure, but if you don't score the touchdown it's probably only a gain of 40 and I'm willing to bet each team gets at least 5 roughing the kicker penalties for every blocked punt. That's 75 yards in penalties, and each one keeps a drive alive and is killing your defense.

The main function of the rush on the punt is to give the punter a sense of urgency. You don't want a punter taking his time and allowing the punt coverage to get down field. You need the punter to think he needs to get the ball off as fast as he possibly can, and that's when bad punts happen. So you need to bring players or you'll be fair catching everything that's not a touchback (or downed inside the 10).

Where players get in trouble is getting too anxious when they get close enough to try to block the punt. They are supposed to take an angle that will make it so they don't make contact with the punter as they come down.

Is it worth the risk? Yeah, because if you don't pressure the punter, your punt returns have no chance of doing anything ever. You can minimize the risk with good special teams coaching and smart players.

[Lathum]

Take away one 65 yard run and the giants are owening this game

[Lathum]

"SWEEP THE LEG"

[Logan]

"SWEEP THE LEG"

Dare I say it...a smart play by Shockey.

[sabotai]

He probably would have picked up at least another 15 if Shockey didn't do that.

[Logan]

He probably would have picked up at least another 15 if Shockey didn't do that.

With tubby linemen back there, I take the chance to prevent him taking it to the house.

[bhlloy]

Is it worth the risk? Yeah, because if you don't pressure the punter, your punt returns have no chance of doing anything ever. You can minimize the risk with good special teams coaching and smart players.

That's fine. Obviously you have to have some sort of rush - I'm not taking it to extremes. But the stupid, 1% chance to get the ball and 75% chance of a personal foul dive at the feet of the punter is the most maddening play in football. You can still make the punter get rid of the ball quickly, just don't leave your feet unless he still has the ball in his hands once you are through the line.

[Lathum]

It's absolutly incredable how many passes the Falcons drop

[JonInMiddleGA]

http://www.ajc.com/sports/content/sports/falcons/stories/2007/10/15/falgame_1016.html

Falcons beat writer sums it up pretty well I think
There likely will be talk among the Falcons of sticking together and rallying for one another and all the other things that sound good but that's like putting icing on a mud pie. ... Opposing teams that boast just as many, if not more, injuries, problems and deficiencies, have found ways to win. The Falcons, meanwhile, continue to stumble backward, looking more and more awkward as the distance grows between woeful and mediocrity. ... The Falcons left the field at halftime to resounding boos from a crowd who'd seen them start quickly then flame out like a 100-meter runner miscast into a mile run. The boos quieted in the second half, though, because there weren't enough people left in the stands to create much of a ruckus.

[miami_fan]

I know Bobby Petrino is installing his own offense but the Falcons were the #1rushing team in the league last year. How does this team only have 13 rushes for a 100 yards going into the 4th qtr last night? It was still an 11 point game at that point so they weren't that far out of the game.

[Radii]

I know Bobby Petrino is installing his own offense but the Falcons were the #1rushing team in the league last year. How does this team only have 13 rushes for a 100 yards going into the 4th qtr last night? It was still an 11 point game at that point so they weren't that far out of the game.


Because the team rushing stats were insanely inflated by Michael Vick's scrambling ability?

Granted, it seems silly that in a two possession game, when your only successful play is a breakaway run by Jerious Norwood, that you only run the ball 4 times a quarter in the first 3, but the '#1 rushing team' stat is extremely misleading IMO.

[larrymcg421]

I do not understand punting with 4 minutes left in a two possession game.

Chances of making a first down > chances of getting an onside kick (which you will need later if you punt now)

[rkmsuf]

Same logic as the cowboys kicking a field goal instead of going for it down 14 in the 4th quarter. Bum Phillips must have been horrified up in the pressbox.

[Cringer]

Looks like Peter King agrees:


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/peter_king/10/14/mmqb/3.html
Just glad these calls didn't cost GB the game.

I was not home so didn't see the game. I did listen to the Packer's broadcast on Sirius though and they mentioned both of those calls didn't seem right when they happened. They didn't make huge deals about it though, and since I didn't see them I wasn't going to either.

Then I saw you posts.

Then I heard the NFL Radio guys make a big deal of it yesterday, especially when they talked to Mike McCarthy. McCarthy really wanted to rip the officials, but did a good job of biting his tongue while still letting everyone know he was unhappy about both calls.

I'm real happy the Packers got the win despite these crap calls.

[gstelmack]

BTW, one leftover note from the Cowboys / Patriots game:

I will echo the sentiments that Marion Barber III is a B-E-A-S-T. That stiffarm play on Ellis Hobbes where he got about another 6 or 8 yards and the best Hobbes could do was sort of guide him out of bounds was pretty sweet. And that's coming from a Patriots fan.

[flere-imsaho]

Maybe ESPN will learn from this: (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/17/sports/football/17kimmel.html?_r=1&ref=sports&oref=login)

Jimmy Kimmel’s appearance on ESPN’s “Monday Night Football” was his last.

Kimmel, the host of ABC’s late-night talk show, was put on early in the third quarter with the Giants leading the Atlanta Falcons, 21-10, ostensibly to enliven a rout.

He joked about where Joe Theismann was (fired and replaced by Ron Jaworski); cracked that it was Tony Kornheiser who got Theismann axed; asked Kornheiser and Jaworski if they bet on games (they played along); and said, “I’d also like to welcome Joe Theismann, watching from his living room with steam coming from his ears.”

The last remark was ignored by Kornheiser, Jaworski and Mike Tirico.

Jay Rothman, ESPN’s “Monday Night” producer, called Kimmel’s comments “classless and disappointing. It was cheap. The more he went on, the worse he got.”

Kimmel will not be invited back, Rothman said.

Theismann was more amused than annoyed by Kimmel’s comments, some of which he heard while watching TV at home. But he missed others while watching “CSI: Miami” on CBS, a new favorite since becoming a “free agent with nowhere to go.”

“I don’t have an opinion about what people say, but it’s nice to know you’re missed,” he said yesterday in a telephone interview. “It’s interesting that people remember me.”

He said, without rancor, that he is not fully engaged in “Monday Night” because “it has become Tony Kornheiser’s show,” more about issues than football.

[Lathum]

lol, I was watching that thinking" man, someone is going to be pissed about this"

The article doesn't even mention how Kimmel was makng fun of the fact that the place had emptied out.

[ISiddiqui]

LOL... I didn't really watch the game, but I have a new found respect for Kimmel.

[Cringer]

ESPN needs a sense of humor. Of course I barely watch it anymore so I won't notice if they get one.

[larrymcg421]

Um, what happened is exactly what you should expect when hiring Jimmy Kimmell. Like it or not, he was just doing his normal thing. I don't understand why you're hiring him if you don't want that.

[Radii]

Um, what happened is exactly what you should expect when hiring Jimmy Kimmell. Like it or not, he was just doing his normal thing. I don't understand why you're hiring him if you don't want that.

Exactly. He pushed a few buttons, and was (IMO) generally funny. I liked having him in the booth for a short while. I can see how some wouldn't for sure, but they had to know what they were getting. Especially after they had him on last year and Kimmell asked Joe Theisman "how's the leg feeling?"