NFL Week 14

[Raiders Army]

Hey, why didn't anyone tell me that Johnnie Lee caught a pass for the Raiders today?!? :mad:

Sorry about that. Was sleeping and fast-forwarded through much of the game. Get it on Short Cuts!

[SirFozzie]

45th TD, 4 more to catch Manning.

[MikeVic]

What happened there with Mankins and Harrison?

[SirFozzie]

Brady also broke the 4,000 mark for Pasing Yardage. The Steelers need to score here..

[jeff061]

Mankins probably cockpunched him.

It's his thing.

[SirFozzie]

DIDN'T GET IT!

[jeff061]

Christ, who didn't know Ward was getting the ball pre-snap?

[Jas_lov]

I would have went for it there. After they predicted victory over you there's nothing better than shoving it in their faces. Brady needed another TD pass anyway.

[jeff061]

I'm just assuming that Pitt is trying to run the clock out and end the game now?

[molson]

I'm just assuming that Pitt is trying to run the clock out and end the game now?

There's certainly not in any hurry.

21 points in 6 1/2 minutes was unlikely, but not impossible. Steelers decided not to try.

[Rizon]

Not that I'm watching it, I heard from a friend, the 49'ers have thrown an INT to 3 different DTs in 1 game, an NFL record.

[jeff061]

Hooray for the #2 overall!!

[DaddyTorgo]

Hooray for the #2 overall!!

McFaden anyone?

[Buccaneer]

Nice win (and important one too) for the Browns. Good to see them back as a playoffs contender.

[SirFozzie]

stay classy, Pittsburgh Steelers. nice lil cheap shot there.

[molson]

McFaden anyone?

I'm pretty sure they'll trade it.

[Noop]

I concede that the Patriots will go undefeated in the small season the Dolphins go winless and become the first team to go 0-16 :(

This season will be worth if the Phins some how manage to beat the Patriots.

[DaddyTorgo]

I'm pretty sure they'll trade it.

probably. I'd be happy to trade down to the 20's and pick up a first-rounder next year

[jeff061]

I'm pretty sure they'll trade it.

If they can get value for it. I don't think the Pats are the only team to shy away from top 5 picks in the idiotic rookie salary bracket.

[JeeberD]

This season will be worth if the Phins some how manage to beat the Patriots.

What do you think, a 30 point spread for that game?

[JeeberD]

If they can get value for it. I don't think the Pats are the only team to shy away from top 5 picks in the idiotic rookie salary bracket.

Jerry wants McFadden BAD. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see him work something out with the Patsies...

[molson]

probably. I'd be happy to trade down to the 20's and pick up a first-rounder next year

I would hope they'll get a little more than that if the pick ends up #2. I think they'll look into getting younger on defense - as cool as McFadden would be, I don't think they really need to address the offense.

Maybe a 1st round pick in the teens with first round pick next year, and some lower draft picks.

[molson]

What do you think, a 30 point spread for that game?

The highest spread will be the Jets game. I think we'll see a lot of Cassell against the Phins.

[Noop]

What do you think, a 30 point spread for that game?

:(

[Suburban Rhythm]

Favaorite part of the Steelers - Pats game was about 2 mins left, when Nantz decides to get all philosophical on us about "players grandizing themselves" when discussing Anthony Smith's guarantee and all the time he got on ESPN for it.

If Nantz had such a problem with it...why did he wait til the end of the game, and not mention it after 1,368th Simms mentioned it?

[Suburban Rhythm]

stay classy, Pittsburgh Steelers. nice lil cheap shot there.

Dola
Was this the Arnold Harrison cheap shot? Or Logan Mankins one?

[Suburban Rhythm]

Double Dola

Two stupid NFL rules that really bother me.

1) I caught parts of the early game we got in Pittsburgh on CBS, Raiders - Packers. FANTASTIC play on the ball by Atari Bigby, not touched down, races down the sideline, TD...but wait, penalty on the return because Cullen Jenkins hit McCown on the return. Not sure who the moron announcing team was (other than it wasn't Nantz-Simms, cause Steelers-Pats had that moron team), but one of the jackasses says Jenkins hit a "defenseless" McCown. The replay shows McCown standing in the middle of the field watching the play and he gets plowed. That is not defenseless. Defenseless is on the follow through of the throw. Stupid ass rule. Why don't they institute a rule, similar to the QB sliding on offense, if he doesn't want hit on a return, just fall to the ground?

2) I just don't get the logic of penalties on special teams plays and penalties (defensive) on plays where a TD is scored. Why on those plays do the play AND the penalty count? No other play does this happen, you choose the result of the play and decline the penalty, or choose the penalty.

Best example I can think of is during the Pats-Steelers game today, covering a punt, a backup CB for the Steelers took a procedure penalty for running out of bounds without being forced out. 5 yard penalty. The result was the punt return + the 5 yards. You want the penalty? Fine, re-kick.

Or last week, the Ravens - Pats game last week, Ed Reed offsides on an XP. The 5 yards enforced on the kickoff. Why? Want the penalty? Go ahead, and re-kick the XP. Or decline, and keep the result.

[Jas_lov]

I agree with you 100% on #1! This was what I was trying to say earlier and people said oh you're just a homer. McCown is weak and we need to protect him, blah blah blah. He's a football player and he's fair game on an INT return! Jenkins had every right to hit him. If McCown weren't such an idiot, he wouldn't have got hit like that. Favre wouldn't have been that stupid.

[Suburban Rhythm]

I agree with you 100% on #1! This was what I was trying to say earlier and people said oh you're just a homer. McCown is weak and we need to protect him, blah blah blah. He's a football player and he's fair game on an INT return! Jenkins had every right to hit him. If McCown weren't such an idiot, he wouldn't have got hit like that. Favre wouldn't have been that stupid.

Didn't even see your earlier post...i figured it was probably discussed in here, but didn't look through.

I guess if McCown starts walking to the Raiders sideline as the play is going on and Jenkins hits him from behind...then they can at least call it a block in the back. But he was in the middle of the field daydreaming and got nailed. I stand by original statement--want to protect the QB on offense, allowing them to do this sliding bullshit, make a rule requiring QBs lie down on any turnover return, as the signal they are out of the play.

[Logan]

Or last week, the Ravens - Pats game last week, Ed Reed offsides on an XP. The 5 yards enforced on the kickoff. Why? Want the penalty? Go ahead, and re-kick the XP. Or decline, and keep the result.

It was specifically changed this year for that reason. It keeps teams from taking a risk-free shot at blocking the XP by trying to get the advantage from timing the snap. This way they have something to lose by doing this.

[DaddyTorgo]

It was specifically changed this year for that reason. It keeps teams from taking a risk-free shot at blocking the XP by trying to get the advantage from timing the snap. This way they have something to lose by doing this.

true

[Jas_lov]

Didn't even see your earlier post...i figured it was probably discussed in here, but didn't look through.

I guess if McCown starts walking to the Raiders sideline as the play is going on and Jenkins hits him from behind...then they can at least call it a block in the back. But he was in the middle of the field daydreaming and got nailed. I stand by original statement--want to protect the QB on offense, allowing them to do this sliding bullshit, make a rule requiring QBs lie down on any turnover return, as the signal they are out of the play.

Exactly. If the QB doesn't want to be hit on an INT return, he should get off the field. If he's standing there or wants to go and make a tackle, he should expect to get hit. It's football. Protecting the QB in the pocket from late hits and hits to the head is fine because he really is defenseless right after he throws the pass.

[Suburban Rhythm]

It's a rather big penalty, so allowing the TD and enforcing the penalty on the kickoff is a crappy way to go about things too. And it goes that way for any penalty by the scoring team really. It may have been away from the play, but it is still a penalty by the team scoring, so therefore the play doesn't count. Giving the Packers the ball, minus 15 yards from where the play happened, is a lot better then saying it is Oakland ball and acting like the INT never happened.

Went back to find this...i guess i saw it differently. McCown was not walking off the field. He wasn't chasing the play, but he wasn't running FROM it either. And he wasn't defenseless, unless by defenseless you mean not paying attention.

But, your post also goes along well with my other point a little earlier with this bullshit of getting the penalty call AND result of the play. Why can't it happen here too? TD, and kickoff from the 20. If they are going to use that stupid logic of giving both the penalty yardage and result of the play, use it here too.

[Suburban Rhythm]

It was specifically changed this year for that reason. It keeps teams from taking a risk-free shot at blocking the XP by trying to get the advantage from timing the snap. This way they have something to lose by doing this.


Not arguing with you here, just sort of thinking out loud...

If the XP is missed, is it re-kicked? Don't think I've seen it happen (not many XP's missed).

Seems to happen loads on punts now too, where the kicking team commits a foul (like the example above, a 5 yard procedure call) and the receiving team takes the yardage from the return + 5 yards. Makes zero sense to me. Any other offensive/defensive player, if you accept the result of the play, you decline the penalty.

[Dr. Sak]

On the XP the team has the choice of taking it there or on the Kickoff. It could come into play if you want to take the half the distance penalty and then go for 2 points.

Also, I know this is true in High School and college but not sure about the NFL. If the offense scores a TD and a facemask occurs, the offense has the choice of accepting the penalty and either adding it on to the XP or the Kickoff.

[Greyroofoo]

So how bout dem Colts?

[Suburban Rhythm]

What if there is a holding call on the kicking team on the XP?
Can the defensive team choose to leave the XP on the board, and take the 10 yards on the kickoff?

The chances of the XP being missed from 10 yards back still pretty slim, and those 10 yards might be more valuable in setting up a potential return.

Really, just think it's fucking stupid. The offside on the XP, OK, I suppose. But in these other situations (punts), penalty or play. Pick.

[k0ruptr]

so good game tonight eh?

[Greyroofoo]

i don't see too many safeties on punt blocks

[k0ruptr]

word.

[k0ruptr]

dola, the rest of the game should be really fun though, since john can just blah blah through the rest of the game. I wanna see how many Brett Favre comparisons I can count.

[Rizon]

Not that I'm intentionally watching the game, since I'm on strike from the NFL, but my neighbors TV is on and reflecting off one of my monitors. Boy, the Ravens look really bad. Their cheerleaders look good from here, though.

[Buccaneer]

http://home.comcast.net/~ouray2/images/colts.jpg

Ok, I know the Baltimore Colts are playing at home against the Indianapolis Ravens (and beating them pretty good). But I don't know what's the "B" on the Ravens' bird mean. Does it stand for "Bad"?

:D

[Rizon]

http://home.comcast.net/~ouray2/images/colts.jpg

Ok, I know the Baltimore Colts are playing at home against the Indianapolis Ravens (and beating them pretty good). But I don't know what's the "B" on the Ravens' bird mean. Does it stand for "Bad"?

:D

If you notice, there is a "W" in the bird head's outline (under the B). It stands for "Barely Watchable".

[gstelmack]

My only comment on Pats / Steelers, aside from WOOHOO!, is I still don't get why the media was so convinced a team that had lost to the Jets and Cardinals on the road was the team that was finally going to knock the Pats off.

Fun part is early predictions had the Giants doing it, as NED would have everything sown up while NYG would be fighting for playoff positioning, when now it looks like NYG is locked into the #5 seed and the only one with anything to play for then is the Pats potentially going for 16-0.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Gee, y'think Baltimore came out a little flat tonight?

[SirFozzie]

flatter then a pancake run over by a steamroller.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Cool, I get to be the first to say "that's using your head" ;)

[JPhillips]

http://home.comcast.net/~ouray2/images/colts.jpg


Is that Maximum Football?

[JonInMiddleGA]

Why would anyone sit outside in bad weather to watch this game?

[Greyroofoo]

Wow, Baltimore is making even the Dolphins look good.

[Greyroofoo]

Yay! Jim Sorgi is in!!!!

[Desnudo]

My only comment on Pats / Steelers, aside from WOOHOO!, is I still don't get why the media was so convinced a team that had lost to the Jets and Cardinals on the road was the team that was finally going to knock the Pats off.

Fun part is early predictions had the Giants doing it, as NED would have everything sown up while NYG would be fighting for playoff positioning, when now it looks like NYG is locked into the #5 seed and the only one with anything to play for then is the Pats potentially going for 16-0.

Probably because they were the only team left with a reasonable chance, even though the Pats have owned them in recent years and the game was in Foxborough. The media seemed to ignore the fact that this was a home game. And I think everyone knows that the NYG doesn't have a prayer unless Brady sits, which doesn't really create much of a story.

[ISiddiqui]

Yay! Jim Sorgi is in!!!!

And he even played decent ;). Hell, by that time in the 3rd Q, it was obvious the Ravens weren't going to be able to come back, so why keep the starters in?

[Rizon]

I've been watching the 49'ers post game show:

* A fan died at the game when he fell from the upper deck.
* Dilfer is in the hospital. He took quite a shot to his head/neck.
* Alex Smith and Nolan are not on the same page to whether or not he's playing again this year or having surgury.

[johnnyshaka]

* A fan died at the game when he fell from the upper deck.


I'm very surprised this doesn't happen more often.

[flere-imsaho]

I haven't seen the play, but I refuse to believe that Ed made a terrible call. I think it is way more likely that a homer fan isn't pleased with a correct ruling by the second-greatest ref in the history of sports.

Pierluigi Collina corrects you.

http://www.uksport.gov.uk/assets/Image/newsArchive/Collina_main.jpg

[TazFTW]

w00t, Collina!


The Pats are 27point favorites against the Jets.

[Coffee Warlord]

Hooray.

Orton will officially get the start for the Bears.

[MikeVic]

Hooray.

Orton will officially get the start for the Bears.

Don't you wish they signed Testeverde now?

[Coffee Warlord]

Don't you wish they signed Testeverde now?

Let me think on that.

No.

[JeeberD]

What's the Cowboys record for catches in a game? 15 for Witten today? Christ...

In case anyone but me cares, Witten's 15 catches set a new Cowboys record, breaking the old record of 13 held by Lance Rentzel set in 1967 against the Foreskins...

[Raiders Army]

I have determined that the NFL Booth crew (Gumbel and Collinsworth) makes the ESPN Booth crew look like geniuses.

[Cringer]

In case anyone but me cares, Witten's 15 catches set a new Cowboys record, breaking the old record of 13 held by Lance Rentzel set in 1967 against the Foreskins...

From what I saw it actually tied the record of 15 set by Kellen Winslow (Sr.)

[JeeberD]

Kellen Winslow was never a Cowboy. I'm guessing that's the NFL record for catches in a game by a tight end...