The Official Superbowl XLII Thread!!

[Jas_lov]

Easily. Off the top of my head I don't remember any plays bigger...

John Elway's helicopter run vs. the Packers?

[Vegas Vic]

This reminds me of the 1991 UNLV basketball team, who finished the season 34-1.

[EagleFan]

One play made me a Giants fan. That last touchdown, or to be more precise, the extra point after that last touchdown.

Yay Super Bowl block pool!!!! :D

[k0ruptr]

Honestly, I think this one is bigger than One Yard Short.

That one required one man to step up and make a play on Dyson.

This one required Manning to evade, what was it, four guys? Stay on his feet, regain his balance, and then take the shot downfield, and then *Tyree* had to catch the ball and hang onto it on his way down. It needed near-perfection on both ends of the ball to make it happen.

imo manning made a great play to evade the tackes of 4 guys, but made a stupid throw that got lucky to be caught. but still one of the greatest plays in SB history.

[Noop]

The '72 Dolphins are still an overrated embarrassment.

Atleast they have a superbowl.

[Izulde]

What an awesome, awesome Super Bowl and I'm thrilled the Giants won to keep '72 perfect.

Scary moment for me, though, as I blacked out for the first time in about 5 years. :(

Blacked out just after Bellichek started walking on the field at the 1 second mark and came to when Eli was holding the trophy I think.

[Galaril]

Wow, downtown Boston had a big rally in Kenmore square to watch the game and all I can say there have got to be a lot of pissed off drunk Pats fans out on the streets tonight. I wouldn't want to be Boston cop tonight.

[stevew]

The '72 Dolphins are still an overrated embarrassment.

I'll drink to that.

[sterlingice]

I'm happy to see Coughlin get a ring :)

SI

[cthomer5000]

I know most of us tend to be focused on most recent events, but as I'm thinking back right now, I'd have to say that Eli's pass to Tyree on that final drive is going to be one of the top 10 SB signature plays.

Agreed, easily a top 10 SB moment. Both the escape and the catch were pretty unbelievable.

[Eaglesfan27]

Scary moment for me, though, as I blacked out for the first time in about 5 years. :(

Blacked out just after Bellichek started walking on the field at the 1 second mark and came to when Eli was holding the trophy I think.


You blacked out because you've been drinking?

[Izulde]

You blacked out because you've been drinking?

No. No alcohol.

[k0ruptr]

You blacked out because you've been drinking?

damn i need to drink some more.

[molson]

Atleast they have a superbowl.

[disturbed by the truth of the preceding statement]

But I'd still put 3-4 (non-Pats) teams ahead of them. It sucks that we couldn't shut them up forever tonight.

[Karlifornia]

AHAHAHHAHAHAH...fuck you. Patriots...I'm glad you will forever be remembered as cheating pretenders...Your coach proved his childishness until the end...running for the tunnel like a spoiled child who didn't get his candy bar.

The wheel of time will forget asshole, cheater Belichick, quitter Moss, and the annoying fans of Boston.

Hail the New York Giants.

YABR? Yet Another Brady Record? How about....IHNBHTSTMDRACG.....I have never been happier to see the miami dolphins raise a champage glass...


And Justin Tuck would have been a good choice for MVP

[Suburban Rhythm]

All of this signature win, signature play talk...

http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?t=62892&highlight=trite

[molson]

This reminds me of the 1991 UNLV basketball team, who finished the season 34-1.

I can't think of a comparison in sports history better than that one.

Shit. Shit. Shit.

[Noop]

[disturbed by the truth of the preceding statement]

But I'd still put 3-4 (non-Pats) teams ahead of them. It sucks that we couldn't shut them up forever tonight.

And none of those teams have went undefeated.

[EagleFan]

No. No alcohol.

I'm not a real doctor, no do I play one on TV and I also didn't stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night but I think that may be something you need to at least mention to a doctor.

[Mustang]

The wheel of time will forget asshole, cheater Belichick, quitter Moss, and the annoying fans of Boston.


I still feel for Seau though.

[cthomer5000]

Back to back Super Bowl MVP brother QBs is pretty wild when you think about. I'm hoping for a Colts-Giants SB matchup soon.

[Racer]

I wonder what Tiki Barber will have to say about this.

[SirFozzie]

Now as a very outspoken anti Pats fan from Boston who many of the Pats fans on the board here no me to be hats off to all the Pats fans on this board for a great season and for showing great sportsmanship here tonight. You guys all are a class act in my book and I doubt if I culd have been as gracious in defeat as you all have. Still a great year and remember Boston will always be Red Sox country we will kick the Yankees asses in retailation.

Thanks Galaril. I've been biting my tounge, because this is the Giants moment. They had to pull off an amazing thing and they did. Congratulations.

Now when do pitchers and catchers report?

[Karlifornia]

The '72 Dolphins are still an overrated embarrassment.

You sound as bitter as Mercury Morris.....He laughs now.....good night, bridesmaid fan. Montana still reigns supreme.

[Izulde]

I'm not a real doctor, no do I play one on TV and I also didn't stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night but I think that may be something you need to at least mention to a doctor.

Yeah, I used to get them once a year during the springtime a while back. EEGs came back negative so they attributed it to a circulation problem.

[miami_fan]

The lesson of the 2008 postseason.

Don't leave the team to be with your hot girlfriend during your week off. It will cost you the following week.

[Karlifornia]

I still feel for Seau though.

Word....I agree wholeheartedly.

[bulletsponge]

i cant believe these words are coming out of my mouth.... Im happy the NY team won

[molson]

You sound as bitter as Mercury Morris.....He laughs now.....good night, bridesmaid fan. Montana still reigns supreme.

Damn straight I'm bitter... Stupid Dolphins...

The Giants kicks ass though.

[Eaglesfan27]

All of this signature win, signature play talk...

http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?t=62892&highlight=trite


It's not just Trite talk though. I will always remember the aforementioned Elway run, "The Catch", and this play. These are plays that I will tell my kids about and probably watch highlights with them. Shrug.

[Radii]

hats off to all the Pats fans on this board for a great season and for showing great sportsmanship here tonight.

Yeah, gonna quote this and agree whole-heartedly.

[DaddyTorgo]

yeah...i'm leaving this thread now while I still have my class and dignity as opposed to all the classless haters who can't feel good about the g-men winning without tearing down the pats

[molson]

i cant believe these words are coming out of my mouth.... Im happy the NY team won

I'm one of the more obnoxious pats fans at FOFC, and I actually agree with this. I......Like the Giants. Always have. And I've lived and spent a lot of time in NYC, and am pretty psyched for the Giants fans there. Anything but the Colts.

[stevew]

You sound as bitter as Mercury Morris.....He laughs now.....good night, bridesmaid fan. Montana and Bradshaw still reign supreme.

fixed

[SnowMan]

Ping Gisele: I'm waiting for that naked run through Manhattan.

[damnMikeBrown]

I'm sick with the flu, watching this game on the sofa with my newish gf who doesn't know football very well. She is watching it to be nice. She got up & yelled...I'm so proud of her.

After the game I told her she had seen one of the best Super Bowls in history, if not the best.

[k0ruptr]

grats to the patriots, i still think they had the best season ever. but just couldn't get it done in the SB.

[SFL Cat]

The Evil Empire is vanquished.

As a Cowboys' fan, this is the only time you'll see me happy about a Giants' win.

[Karlifornia]

fixed

Fair enough, stevew...fair enough.

[Suburban Rhythm]

It's not just Trite talk though. I will always remember the aforementioned Elway run, "The Catch", and this play. These are plays that I will tell my kids about and probably watch highlights with them. Shrug.

It's not trite...yet. We've got 11 more months of signature wins/plays.

[Racer]

The Evil Empire is vanquished.



Until next year. :(

[SFL Cat]

damn. Some guy at the office won big ($750)...3 quarters of NE 7 NYG 3

[Schmidty]

Yeah, gonna quote this and agree whole-heartedly.

You know, as a classless bastard, I agree with you. I am impressed with Patriot fans on the board.

Although, they do have 3 SBs to fall back on.

[Karlifornia]

yeah...i'm leaving this thread now while I still have my class and dignity as opposed to all the classless haters who can't feel good about the g-men winning without tearing down the pats
DT, I think you're cool....but Belichick proved himself more classless than anyone in this meaningless thread...he ran off the field before the final whistle....IN THE SUPER BOWL

[cuervo72]

It's not just Trite talk though. I will always remember the aforementioned Elway run, "The Catch", and this play. These are plays that I will tell my kids about and probably watch highlights with them. Shrug.

Riggo's run vs the Dolphins (and I was rooting for the Dolphins).

[Huckleberry]

damn. Some guy at the office won big ($750)...3 quarters of NE 7 NYG 3

NYG NE

1st 3 0
2nd 3 7
3rd 3 7
4th 7 4

[stevew]

Shockey gets the lifetime achievement "Patrick Ewing Award"

[Racer]

You know, as a classless bastard, I agree with you. I am impressed with Patriot fans on the board.

Although, they do have 3 SBs to fall back on.

Yeah. They have been very classy. Props to them.

[miami_fan]

This game reminds me of St. Louis versus New England.

I agree with this.

[Huckleberry]

Marcus Allen's run
Montana to Taylor

As a Cowboys fan, our Super Bowl wins haven't had many great plays. Some plays I'll never forget from their appearances:

O'Brien's game-winning FG
Lily's 25 yard sack of Griese
Jackie Smith's drop
Lett and Beebe

[JAG]

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Wow.

Just wanted to say, hats off to the NY Giants. I really thought they were a bunch of pretenders and that Dallas would beat them for the third time this season...and then that GB would beat them...and then that New England would win. I can't think of a more impressive and shocking postseason run.

And that Tyree catch was phenomenal, not to mention a great escape by Eli. I thought it looked more like a Romo play.

[Alan T]

Wow, somehow I feel really bad for some of the Patriots fans on this board. Some of the comments that Pats-haters have made are far more classless than anything I saw any Pats fans post here this season.

Anyways, loved the game.. was everything I hoped for. By the end of the game, it really didn't matter to me who won, it was everything I had hoped for in a game. Excellent entertainment!

I also am going to love going to work tommorrow (I work in Massachusetts for a company based in New York, and the Pats vs Giants emails have been unbearable) :)

[JonInMiddleGA]

Belichick proved himself more classless than anyone in this meaningless thread...he ran off the field before the final whistle....IN THE SUPER BOWL

+ ∞

[SirFozzie]

Wow, somehow I feel really bad for some of the Patriots fans on this board. Some of the comments that Pats-haters have made are far more classless than anything I saw any Pats fans post here this season.

Anyways, loved the game.. was everything I hoped for. By the end of the game, it really didn't matter to me who won, it was everything I had hoped for in a game. Excellent entertainment!

I also am going to love going to work tommorrow (I work in Massachusetts for a company based in New York, and the Pats vs Giants emails have been unbearable) :)

Eh, we've had plenty of opportunity to crow, for some folks, this is seven years worth of bile built up. I don't like it, don't condone it, but can understand it.

[cthomer5000]

Marcus Allen's run
Montana to Taylor

As a Cowboys fan, our Super Bowl wins haven't had many great plays. Some plays I'll never forget from their appearances:

O'Brien's game-winning FG
Lily's 25 yard sack of Griese
Jackie Smith's drop
Lett and Beebe

some one that spring to mind for me:

Elway's helicopter run
back-to-back kickoff return TDs by Baltimore and NEw York
OJ Anderson's wind-up uppercut "stiff arm" against the Bills

[Tyrith]

Having just read the last several pages after having jsut gotten home, I think DT's post at 395 is one of the most hilarious things I've ever seen.

[cuervo72]

Yep. Enough to make even an Eaglesfan root for the Giants.

Well, count me and a guy I play poker with as two more.

[Galaxy]

Shockey gets the lifetime achievement "Patrick Ewing Award"

He still gets a ring, correct?

I really could give a flip that over both teams, but I'm glad the G-men won. Also, I'm glad it was a great game. It seems like the secret to beating the Pats is a stellar pass rush. I wonder if teams will be trying to copy that in the off-season.

[Pumpy Tudors]

Jeez, I haven't seen anything that bad or classless from anybody in this thread. Maybe I'm just used to other people being a little rougher about these things. This thread isn't bad at all.

[Huckleberry]

He still gets a ring, correct?

I really could give a flip that over both teams, but I'm glad the G-men won. Also, I'm glad it was a great game. It seems like the secret to beating the Pats is a stellar pass rush. I wonder if teams will be trying to copy that in the off-season.

Every team tries to "copy that" every year. A stellar pass rush is something every team is striving for.

[stevew]

He still gets a ring, correct?



Not according to FOF 2k7 rules :D

[Maple Leafs]

Jeez, I haven't seen anything that bad or classless from anybody in this thread. Maybe I'm just used to other people being a little rougher about these things. This thread isn't bad at all.
Seriously. Still looking for some of those "haters" or "bashers" that people are imagining.

Heck of a game, though.

[WelshWizard]

I am a very dissapointed Patriots fan. The Giants outplayed us and outcoached us in this one, they thouroughly deserve this win. Belicheck going for it in the first half on a 4th and 13. KICK THE FIELDGOAL!!!

[Maple Leafs]

Anyone else really looking forward to this week's "NFL: In Pictures"?

[Galaxy]

The Pats sucked tonight and it annoys me. Where was the team that blew everyone out the first 10 weeks of the season??

They absolutely deserve the label of biggest super bowl bust ever.....

Still better than losing to the Colts though. I'm happy for the Giants and their fans.

The Giants were able to do what no one had the talent (depth wise) or ability to do. Get the pressure on.

[Big Fo]

The '72 Dolphins are still an overrated embarrassment.

Cry more.

Belichik leaving the field before the final whistle was pretty special, epitomizing what the Patriots are all about.

[Eaglesfan27]

Jeez, I haven't seen anything that bad or classless from anybody in this thread. Maybe I'm just used to other people being a little rougher about these things. This thread isn't bad at all.

I've been thinking the same thing. Maybe they are talking about people appropriately calling out Belichick for leaving the field early?

[Galaxy]

Every team tries to "copy that" every year. A stellar pass rush is something every team is striving for.

I know, but I meant in a bigger emphasis then usual.

[Maple Leafs]

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[Noop]

Jeez, I haven't seen anything that bad or classless from anybody in this thread. Maybe I'm just used to other people being a little rougher about these things. This thread isn't bad at all.

This is not nearly as bad as it could be and only SirFozzie is being classy and genuine with his comments in my opinion.

[TroyF]

I haven't seen anything really classless in the thread.

Beli running off the field after the ref clearly told him there was one more play to be ran? One of the most classless things I've ever seen an NFL head coach do. Exactly why I wanted the Giants to win tonight. I can't stand the guy and I'll sleep better knowing he won't have an undefeated season.

Congrats to Eli and Tom, two guys who I didn't think would ever win a title. Congrats to Plax who ran the perfect route at the perfect time. Congrats to Tyree who made one of the more memorable catches I'll ever see in my lifetime. And congrats to the Giants organization for having the patience to give a left for dead coach one more season to see if he could get it done. (A lesson to be learned for the Chargers upper management)

[Karlifornia]

Cry more.

Belichik leaving the field before the final whistle was pretty special, epitomizing what the Patriots are all about.

It was so cowardly. In a Super Bowl where Bill Walsh was honored during the coin toss...I'm glad we got to see just what kind of cloth that guy was cut from....A winner in the record books...but a loser in our hearts...

[Suburban Rhythm]

Mike Tomlin, in going for those 2 pt conversions vs. JAX in the opening round of the playoffs, can now point to Belichek bypassing that FG and say he's a genius, too.

[Galaxy]

Can someone tell me why Tiki Barker is so hated now?

[Galaril]

I got one word for what Brady has in store for Giselle later tonight to work out his anger: A-N-A-L !

[Maple Leafs]

I got one word for what Brady has in store for Giselle later tonight to work out his anger: A-N-A-L !
And he'll still impregnate her.

[dime]

the body's still warm, but here's an autopsy:

the patriots had a dominant run in the first half of the regular season, running up the score and blowing up some shitty teams in a year in which the NFL was littered with shitty teams. they didn't look as impressive as the season wore on, and their postseason wins over less-than-stellar clubs like jax and sd should have been another indicator that this was never "one of the best teams ever".

they had an average defense all year that was masked by a prolific offense that, when encountered with a stout front four, proved to be less than special. tom brady had a number of inaccurate passes tonight and was not a confident quarterback. credit the giants defense for that, but it should also serve as a reminder that brady is great at managing the modern game but is not really a playmaker at the QB position.

credit the pats for overachieving this year and taking advantage of every opportunity, week in and week out. they will not be forgotten.

as for belichick and his team, ultimately they got what they deserved and have no one to blame but themselves for losing to one of the weakest super bowl champs ever. hubris was their downfall, the bully mentality does not deal well with actual adversity (as opposed to rallying against perceived injustices and conspiracies). belichick added another fine example of what a small man he is by walking out on the game once it was clear his team had lost. his legacy grows.

[Jas_lov]

"We're only going to score 17 points?" Brady said before chuckling about it. "OK. Is Plax playing defense? I wish he had said 45-42 and gave us a little credit for scoring more points."

Great prediction by Plaxico. The Giants defense was brilliant all game.

[JAG]

The lesson of the 2008 postseason.

Don't leave the team to be with your hot girlfriend during your week off. It will cost you the following week.

I lol'ed btw. Nice one.

[st.cronin]

This reminds me of the 1991 UNLV basketball team, who finished the season 34-1.

Apropos.

[dime]

Can someone tell me why Tiki Barker is so hated now?

because he is a manipulative little shit who blamed the head coach who made him a pro bowler for "making him not enjoy football anymore" and implying that his self-serving retirement was coughlin's "fault."

he also broke the unwritten rule that what happens in the locker room stays in the locker room when he told the world that his young quarterback was "comical" in his attempts to be a leader before a big game.

this douchebag threw everyone under the bus and now he's crying about not being invited to stand on the sidelines with them? just go away, tiki. you were obviously not needed and held the team back.

[tarcone]

Serious anal bruising ahead

[Young Drachma]

Really impressive win for the G-men. I'm happy for them and especially for Eli, because he was really hated on all year, but manned up at the end when his team needed him most.

[Buccaneer]

less-than-stellar clubs like jax and sd

????

They were both top 5/6 power rankings and playoffs teams this year.

[WelshWizard]

the body's still warm, but here's an autopsy:

the patriots had a dominant run in the first half of the regular season, running up the score and blowing up some shitty teams in a year in which the NFL was littered with shitty teams. they didn't look as impressive as the season wore on, and their postseason wins over less-than-stellar clubs like jax and sd should have been another indicator that this was never "one of the best teams ever".

they had an average defense all year that was masked by a prolific offense that, when encountered with a stout front four, proved to be less than special. tom brady had a number of inaccurate passes tonight and was not a confident quarterback. credit the giants defense for that, but it should also serve as a reminder that brady is great at managing the modern game but is not really a playmaker at the QB position.

credit the pats for overachieving this year and taking advantage of every opportunity, week in and week out. they will not be forgotten.

as for belichick and his team, ultimately they got what they deserved and have no one to blame but themselves for losing to one of the weakest super bowl champs ever. hubris was their downfall, the bully mentality does not deal well with actual adversity (as opposed to rallying against perceived injustices and conspiracies). belichick added another fine example of what a small man he is by walking out on the game once it was clear his team had lost. his legacy grows.

You have got to be kidding me right now. I agree that the Giants deserved to win this game no doubt about it. The comment you make about Brady not being a playmaker. He had a tough game today due to a great defensive gameplan by the Giants, however Brady still led this team down the field and put them in a position to win leading 14-10 with just over 2 minutes left. What evidence do you have that Brady is not a playmaker at the QB position. Just a stupid comment to make.

[Huckleberry]

they had an average defense all year that was masked by a prolific offense that, when encountered with a stout front four, proved to be less than special. tom brady had a number of inaccurate passes tonight and was not a confident quarterback. credit the giants defense for that, but it should also serve as a reminder that brady is great at managing the modern game but is not really a playmaker at the QB position.

Brady is a great quarterback. But the real message is that he's not that much better than a long list of other great quarterbacks. The difference is that he's been blessed to be on great teams and, more importantly, has consistently been given a ridiculous amount of time in the pocket. When he doesn't have that, he's simply a great quarterback. Not one of the greatest of all time.

[st.cronin]

Super Bowl XX is still the worst football rooting experience I have ever had. But this comes close. Heartbreaking defeat.

I do get to say, I told you fuckers that Eli was a very good QB.

And let me chime in with my #1 Super Bowl moment: Ty Law with the pick 6 against Kurt Warner for the first score of that game.

[Jas_lov]

because he is a manipulative little shit who blamed the head coach who made him a pro bowler for "making him not enjoy football anymore" and implying that his self-serving retirement was coughlin's "fault."

he also broke the unwritten rule that what happens in the locker room stays in the locker room when he told the world that his young quarterback was "comical" in his attempts to be a leader before a big game.

this douchebag threw everyone under the bus and now he's crying about not being invited to stand on the sidelines with them? just go away, tiki. you were obviously not needed and held the team back.

Great summary. I said before that Tiki probably threw himself in front of a bus after the Giants won tonight. He bashed everyone from Coughlin to Eli and you never go against the family! I'm happy for those two and Michael Strahan. Three class acts who all deserve it, unlike Tiki. Maybe Tiki should come out of retirement and play for Bellichick. Those two deserve each other.

[molson]

Cry more.

Belichik leaving the field before the final whistle was pretty special, epitomizing what the Patriots are all about.

I'd put the '07 Giants ahead of that fraud Dolphins team that beat exactly ONE team with a winning record all season.

[FrogMan]

I haven't seen anything really classless in the thread.


not picking a fight but you can read post #516 for one that I found pretty classless, although it's the only one that comes to mind (only went back a couple pages)...

Anyway, I'm extremely upset right now, but the Pats didn't deserve to win. Congratulation to Steve Sapgnuolo for outcoaching the Pats offensive minds and to the Giants defense for executing the plan well. He sure had his guys at the right place at the right time and the Pats ran out of time to wear them out.

In fact, the Pats were pretty unimpressive in my mind for most of the playoffs. They didn't really deserve to win over the Chargers and were unable to really find ways to get Moss into the games for the last three games...

Congrats to the Giants and to Giants fans, it's your day, enjoy it... :)

FM

[Buccaneer]

You have got to be kidding me right now. I agree that the Giants deserved to win this game no doubt about it. The comment you make about Brady not being a playmaker. He had a tough game today due to a great defensive gameplan by the Giants, however Brady still led this team down the field and put them in a position to win leading 14-10 with just over 2 minutes left. What evidence do you have that Brady is not a playmaker at the QB position. Just a stupid comment to make.

And despite getting hammered constantly, he still managed to go 29-48, 266.

[Vinatieri for Prez]

This is Vinatieri for Prez's mother. I just wanted to let you know that he jumped off a bridge shortly after the Superbowl. While we will no longer see his smile with each passing day, we know that his spirit will be with us forever (with each hurried throw by Tom Brady). My son spoke fondly of this board and I thought you all should know that.

[Vinatieri for Prez]

P.S. that was a joke.

[dime]

You have got to be kidding me right now. I agree that the Giants deserved to win this game no doubt about it. The comment you make about Brady not being a playmaker. He had a tough game today due to a great defensive gameplan by the Giants, however Brady still led this team down the field and put them in a position to win leading 14-10 with just over 2 minutes left. What evidence do you have that Brady is not a playmaker at the QB position. Just a stupid comment to make.

checkdown passes to welker and faulk are not my definition of "making plays". he took what was there, which is what I would define as smart QB play or "managing the game". he didn't throw any INTs, didn't hurt his team. but he didn't make any plays that were not already there; didn't move out of the pocket or make any particularly impressive throws that another QB could not make.

I would define a playmaker at the QB position more along the lines of an elway, staubach or even joe montana, who I was never crazy about but could make something happen when it wasn't there. I just never see brady do that, perhaps because their offense was so efficient this year that he didn't need to.

[Huckleberry]

And despite getting hammered constantly, he still managed to go 29-48, 266.

5.5 yards per attempt is bad.

[SirFozzie]

This is Vinatieri for Prez's mother. I just wanted to let you know that he jumped off a bridge shortly after the Superbowl. While we will no longer see his smile with each passing day, we know that his spirit will be with us forever (with each hurried throw by Tom Brady). My son spoke fondly of this board and I thought you all should know that.

As long as whoever the idiot behind "ATreeInNewEngland" creates "A bridge in Seattle". I'm good with this.

[molson]

I love how the "classiness" of football fans is now closely monitored post-by-post. Keep up the good work hall monitors!!!

[Cringer]

That was one kickass Superbowl. I had held onto the Bronco's win over the Packers as the best Superbowl I had ever seen, but I am pretty sure that just replaced it.

Congrats Giants fans.

SirFozzie, stop making those sig bets.

[Buccaneer]

Brady is a great quarterback. But the real message is that he's not that much better than a long list of other great quarterbacks. The difference is that he's been blessed to be on great teams and, more importantly, has consistently been given a ridiculous amount of time in the pocket. When he doesn't have that, he's simply a great quarterback. Not one of the greatest of all time.

My god, have you and others completely lost your memories?? Just go back to last season when he had 0 receivers and still led the team to a great record. Or look at all of the times where he has been able to stand in a collapsing pocket and still spot the open receiver. Very, very few pcoket QBs have ever been that consistent and accurate.

[dime]

????

They were both top 5/6 power rankings and playoffs teams this year.


the nfl sucked this year.

I think the chargers beat two teams with a winning record all year and the colts playoff game was one of them. they also played the pats game with a QB on one leg and without their best player.

the jags had a lot of success by simply playing physical, but they were still 11-5 this year. not exactly a juggernaut that only a great team would handle.

[Huckleberry]

My god, have you and others completely lost your memories?? Just go back to last season when he had 0 receivers and still led the team to a great record. Or look at all of the times where he has been able to stand in a collapsing pocket and still spot the open receiver. Very, very few pcoket QBs have ever been that consistent and accurate.

Yes. That's why he's great.

What was your point?

[SirFozzie]

That was one kickass Superbowl. I had held onto the Bronco's win over the Packers as the best Superbowl I had ever seen, but I am pretty sure that just replaced it.

Congrats Giants fans.

SirFozzie, stop making those sig bets.


Ayup. That's my last sig bet. As you can see from my current sig, it's no good ;)

[Maple Leafs]

I have to say, there's a part of me that's kind of happy that the Pats lost simply because I really enjoyed their run at a perfect season and like the idea that it will be even meaningful the next time it happens.

[Anthony]

OMFG. If the Giants win...remember that play. Forever.

will do.

years from now i''ll be able to tell my first born that they were born in the year that Eli Manning made The Play and won Super Bowl 42 for the New York Giants. :)

[Buccaneer]

5.5 yards per attempt is bad.

That is true but most other QBs in the NFL would go 13-43 in similar situations, not to mention a couple of picks.

[flounder]

If Asante Samuels makes that interception at the end, everyone is talking about how Brady cemented his reputation as the greatest QB of all time. It bounces off his hands and now Brady's mediocre?

[sterlingice]

Also check out the "tags customers associate with this product".

I fail to see what buttsecks has to do with this book :confused:

SI

[Jas_lov]

http://www.amazon.com/19-0-Historic-Championship-Englands-Unbeatable/dp/1600781500/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1202097764&sr=8-1

I hope nobody pre-ordered the paperback copy of 19-0: The Historic Championship Season of New England's Unbeatable Patriots.

[Galaril]

With all the NFL QBS banging hot girls I was curious who ELI was sharing the sheets with. I am surprised to seeas the link shows he i doing pretty well for himself. Oh and no it isn't the short one in the brown pants suit I am guessing;)

http://64.111.216.59//ul/2423-eli%20abby.jpg

[Anthony]

I know most of us tend to be focused on most recent events, but as I'm thinking back right now, I'd have to say that Eli's pass to Tyree on that final drive is going to be one of the top 10 SB signature plays.

i would say top 5. that play is the reason why the Giants won the Super Bowl. there is no other reason. i was shouting from my seat "he's a WARRIOR!!!"

[dime]

If Asante Samuels makes that interception at the end, everyone is talking about how Brady cemented his reputation as the greatest QB of all time. It bounces off his hands and now Brady's mediocre?

this is exactly why QB play is so terribly evaluated. for example, terry bradshaw is not one of the best QBs of all time, neither is brady. marino is not "missing" something because he didn't win one. marino was much, much better than brady.

the giants' gameplan was basically to take away moss deep, take away the run and make brady beat them. he could only put up two scoring drives. not terrible, but a play here or there would have gotten the pats the win and wouldn't have made him any better of a player than he is now.

[Huckleberry]

If Asante Samuels makes that interception at the end, everyone is talking about how Brady cemented his reputation as the greatest QB of all time. It bounces off his hands and now Brady's mediocre?

No, not everyone. Some people are able to look past more than just the QB on great teams.

Troy Aikman won 3 Super Bowls and after his first two Super Bowl victories had the highest postseason QB rating in history. He's not even close to an all-time great quarterback.

Brady is far better than Aikman. But winning 4 Super Bowls isn't enough to be the greatest QB ever. And Brady wasn't before tonight and wouldn't have been even if Samuel had caught that ball.

[bhlloy]

5.5 yards per attempt is bad.

He missed at least 3 wide open receivers as well, which is very un-Brady like. Give him credit for hitting Moss when the corner fell down I guess for the go-ahead TD, but the play before Moss was wide open and it was a terrible, terrible pass that missed him by a couple of yards.

I don't think that Brady is any less of a great QB. Even the great ones can't make that many plays when 2 out of every 3 plays they are on their back. Anyone who thinks he is only good because he has been surrounded by great players is smoking crack. But definitely not Brady's best game (and he was pretty bad against the Chargers as well)

The vaunted Pats line take the blame for this one, they absolutely laid a huge fucking goose egg in the most important game of their careers. Giants pass rush is good, but one on one the Pats linemen were just getting bitchslapped. I lost count of the number of times the Giants DT's pushed the Pats interior line into the backfield, and on the outside Kaczur couldn't have done a worse job if he'd have just laid down on every play. Pretty embarrassing for a unit that is supposed to be one of the best in the league.

[larrymcg421]

I'd put the '07 Giants ahead of that fraud Dolphins team that beat exactly ONE team with a winning record all season.

This is an example of how the Pats fans have jumped the shark. From now on, when you guys wonder why people treat your team unfairly or hate on Pats fans, just remember posts like this.

The fact is, The 72 Dolphins didn't make their schedule. They had no hand in that. All they did was win every game they played, including the regular season, including the postseason, and the Superbowl. No other team in NFL history has ever done that, including your New England Patriots.

You can whine like a pathetic baby about it as much as you want, but that's a fact. It's in the books and it will be there no matter how much you try to diminish it because you can't stand that your beloved team actually lost.

[Buccaneer]

He missed at least 3 wide open receivers as well, which is very un-Brady like. Give him credit for hitting Moss when the corner fell down I guess for the go-ahead TD, but the play before Moss was wide open and it was a terrible, terrible pass that missed him by a couple of yards.

I don't think that Brady is any less of a great QB. Even the great ones can't make that many plays when 2 out of every 3 plays they are on their back. Anyone who thinks he is only good because he has been surrounded by great players is smoking crack. But definitely not Brady's best game (and he was pretty bad against the Chargers as well)

The vaunted Pats line take the blame for this one, they absolutely laid a huge fucking goose egg in the most important game of their careers. Giants pass rush is good, but one on one the Pats linemen were just getting bitchslapped. I lost count of the number of times the Giants DT's pushed the Pats interior line into the backfield, and on the outside Kaczur couldn't have done a worse job if he'd have just laid down on every play. Pretty embarrassing for a unit that is supposed to be one of the best in the league.

+1

[Maple Leafs]

If Asante Samuels makes that interception at the end, everyone is talking about how Brady cemented his reputation as the greatest QB of all time. It bounces off his hands and now Brady's mediocre?
Samuels not only cost the Pats the game, he probably cost himself millions of dollars in the off-season.

[st.cronin]

Brady did not have a good game, but come on, he was obviously playing with an injury. He wasn't nearly as mobile as he usually is, and his mechanics were obviously affected on some plays. He's still an all-time great QB.

[Huckleberry]

He missed at least 3 wide open receivers as well, which is very un-Brady like. Give him credit for hitting Moss when the corner fell down I guess for the go-ahead TD, but the play before Moss was wide open and it was a terrible, terrible pass that missed him by a couple of yards.

I don't think that Brady is any less of a great QB. Even the great ones can't make that many plays when 2 out of every 3 plays they are on their back. Anyone who thinks he is only good because he has been surrounded by great players is smoking crack. But definitely not Brady's best game (and he was pretty bad against the Chargers as well)

The vaunted Pats line take the blame for this one, they absolutely laid a huge fucking goose egg in the most important game of their careers. Giants pass rush is good, but one on one the Pats linemen were just getting bitchslapped. I lost count of the number of times the Giants DT's pushed the Pats interior line into the backfield, and on the outside Kaczur couldn't have done a worse job if he'd have just laid down on every play. Pretty embarrassing for a unit that is supposed to be one of the best in the league.

I'm in 100% agreement with you. Tonight does nothing to change my opinion of Brady. He is a great quarterback that tonight had to deal with what most other great QBs have had to deal with far more often than he has: tremendous pressure.

Brady was working with one of the most gifted WRs of all time and one of the greatest slot receivers of all time. Tonight just showed that every QB will have trouble when under pressure. Brady is no different.

[kurtism]

If Asante Samuels makes that interception at the end, everyone is talking about how Brady cemented his reputation as the greatest QB of all time. It bounces off his hands and now Brady's mediocre?

Phil Simms? Welcome to FOFC!!!

[Noop]

I'd put the '07 Giants ahead of that fraud Dolphins team that beat exactly ONE team with a winning record all season.

Bitter? LOL

[larrymcg421]

If Asante Samuels makes that interception at the end, everyone is talking about how Brady cemented his reputation as the greatest QB of all time. It bounces off his hands and now Brady's mediocre?

Well, this is the criteria that has been set by the Patriots fans. Myself, I think it's pretty ridiculous that (for example), Jim Kelly is suddenly a much better QB if Scott Norwood makes that FG. If Viniateri misses all those clutch kicks, Brady isn't any better or worse a QB in my mind.

[Huckleberry]

Brady did not have a good game, but come on, he was obviously playing with an injury. He wasn't nearly as mobile as he usually is, and his mechanics were obviously affected on some plays. He's still an all-time great QB.

Not the way I saw it. He stepped away from pressure and moved in the pocket about the same as always. The difference was the frequency of the pressure.

Brady played poorly because that's what QBs do when they're harrassed all game long.

[dime]

Brady did not have a good game, but come on, he was obviously playing with an injury. He wasn't nearly as mobile as he usually is, and his mechanics were obviously affected on some plays. He's still an all-time great QB.

bill simmons, is that you?

[Galaril]

He missed at least 3 wide open receivers as well, which is very un-Brady like. Give him credit for hitting Moss when the corner fell down I guess for the go-ahead TD, but the play before Moss was wide open and it was a terrible, terrible pass that missed him by a couple of yards.

I don't think that Brady is any less of a great QB. Even the great ones can't make that many plays when 2 out of every 3 plays they are on their back. Anyone who thinks he is only good because he has been surrounded by great players is smoking crack. But definitely not Brady's best game (and he was pretty bad against the Chargers as well)

The vaunted Pats line take the blame for this one, they absolutely laid a huge fucking goose egg in the most important game of their careers. Giants pass rush is good, but one on one the Pats linemen were just getting bitchslapped. I lost count of the number of times the Giants DT's pushed the Pats interior line into the backfield, and on the outside Kaczur couldn't have done a worse job if he'd have just laid down on every play. Pretty embarrassing for a unit that is supposed to be one of the best in the league.



Have to remember the line did lose Neil at the end of the 1st half which didn't help.

[Maple Leafs]

Brady did not have a good game, but come on, he was obviously playing with an injury.
If he was seriously hurt, it would have been on the injury report. NFL teams are required to report on injuries, and Belichik respects the rules.

[larrymcg421]

If he was seriously hurt, it would have been on the injury report. NFL teams are required to report on injuries, and Belichik respects the rules.

:)

[Galaril]

Samuels not only cost the Pats the game, he probably cost himself millions of dollars in the off-season.

As a Titans fan this just isn't true. I am certain they would dropa ton of coin on him like a bunch of teams will. He won't be in NE next season for sure. I hope they enjoy having Hobbs as their #1 CB.

[dime]

Samuels not only cost the Pats the game, he probably cost himself millions of dollars in the off-season.

I call BS on that...samuels has been carrying that secondary all year, and it's not like he dropped a gimme in the breadbasket or something. He will make al ot of money, the question is whether the patriots will be paying him or not. They don't like to do that, all their players (except brady, apparently) are just replacable parts to be used by the genius of bill.

[bhlloy]

Have to remember the line did lose Neil at the end of the 1st half which didn't help.


Off the top of my head, Neal was the second worst lineman in the first half after Nick "turnstile" Kaczur. Big fricking deal. They just didn't show up to play today, and it cost them the game.

[Maple Leafs]

I call BS on that...samuels has been carrying that secondary all year, and it's not like he dropped a gimme in the breadbasket or something. He will make al ot of money, the question is whether the patriots will be paying him or not. They don't like to do that, all their players (except brady, apparently) are just replacable parts to be used by the genius of bill.
It's not that he won't get a big contract. It's just that "and on top of all that, I made the game-winning pick in the dying minutes of the super bowl" would probably have added some dollars to whatever he winds up getting.

[Subby]

Brady did not have a good game, but come on, he was obviously playing with an injury. He wasn't nearly as mobile as he usually is, and his mechanics were obviously affected on some plays. He's still an all-time great QB.
We kept talking about it during the game - his medium to long throws were no where near as crisp and accurate as usual. Something was definitely going on with his health.

Obviously, the Giants got more pressure on him than any team this season, but when Brady did have time he just didn't seem completely healthy.

[sterlingice]

Anyone else really looking forward to this week's "NFL: In Pictures"?

Well, duh. But, then again, it's my favorite thread pretty much every week :)

SI

[st.cronin]

Samuels had an excellent game, I thought, and an excellent post-season. He was on Tyree that one TD, but he made sure it had to be a perfect throw.

[dime]

the pats oline wasn't THAT bad...the cowboys' line was getting beat on every single play in their playoff game vs the giants, and they weren't even bringing blitzers.

so when brady plays poorly it's his oline's fault, but when romo puts up more points under more pressure it's his fault for going to mexico with some broad. perception is a funny thing.

[vtbub]

Woot!

[st.cronin]

I also didn't think there was THAT much of a gap between how the New England O-line played today, and how they played Week 17. There was a little bit more pressure, but not much. The difference was Brady, and the Giants secondary playing 100% better.

[molson]

Some of the comments that Pats-haters have made are far more classless than anything I saw any Pats fans post here this season.



Pats fans are held to a higher standard by the FOFC "classiness" police for some reason.

[Deattribution]

Brady is a great QB, and still one of the best but the better team won tonight. No other way to put it, it doesn't make Brady shitty, him and his team got beat - he didn't lose the game for them by himself.

With that said, I'm glad that the Giants won, and that the Patriots lost. With all the spygate stuff, I really didn't want to see them go undefeated, especially with some of the classeless (mainly the coach) people on their team. Also seeing Eli step up big, and Strahan finally get a ring is great.

[dime]

Pats fans are held to a higher standard by the FOFC "classiness" police for some reason.


sorry to break it to you, but it's in the rules.

being obsessed with and attempting to control everyone else's perception of your team = not classy. (actually, it's just irritating as hell, but close enough)

[Racer]

Not the way I saw it. He stepped away from pressure and moved in the pocket about the same as always. The difference was the frequency of the pressure.

Brady played poorly because that's what QBs do when they're harrassed all game long.

Agree. I always get tired of the quarterback getting primarily blamed for losses (i.e. Peyton Manning). The Patriots lost because the Giants won the battle at the line on both sides of the ball and miraculous play by Eli at the end of the game. Brady is still one of the greatest quarterbacks to ever play the game. I'm really glad the Patriots lost though because I think the media would have crowned him as the greatest ever and I think that would have been ridiculous considering how much of a team sport football is.

[MikeVic]

Hahahaha! Greatest thing I could ask for in the Super Bowl. Giants win, Eli playing well, awesome play near the end of te game, TD by Burress. Very nice!

[MikeVic]

I haven't read the thread, but will someone summarize for me if the Pats' fans are being tasteful in defeat or making excuses? :)

[molson]

sorry to break it to you, but it's in the rules.

being obsessed with and attempting to control everyone else's perception of your team = not classy. (actually, it's just irritating as hell, but close enough)

I'm not sure you know what "classy" means. But I appreciate the thought that I can apparently control things.

[molson]

I haven't read the thread, but will someone summarize for me if the Pats' fans are being tasteful in defeat or making excuses? :)

I've said about 1,000 times how much the Giants kicked ass but am apparently still "not classy".

Oh well, I tried my best...

[Izulde]

I figured out what the blackout was due to. Low blood sugar.

I'm now plowing through a bunch of bananas and a couple apples and feeling much better.

Oh yeah, and the phrase: the 1972 Miami Dolphins, still the only undefeated team in NFL history, is still sweet, sweet music to my ears. :)

One hell of a Super Bowl and I have to give props to Eli. He did what I never thought he had the ability to do.

[larrymcg421]

I've said about 1,000 how much the Giants kicked ass but am apparently still "not classy".

Oh well, I tried my best...

Yeah, calling the 72 dolphins a "fraud" is very classy.

What a joke.

[dime]

I'm not sure you know what "classy" means. But I appreciate the thought that I can apparently control things.


Dude, lighten up. You're always hunting nfl threads for anything patriot-related that may injure you. Your team lost the super bowl and you're on the internet crying about whether or not you or someone else was called "classy" or "not classy" or whatever...why?

it is clear that you are a masochist. that's cool, but don't expect me to humor you with it.

[MikeVic]

I've said about 1,000 times how much the Giants kicked ass but am apparently still "not classy".

Oh well, I tried my best...

I'm just asking, don't want to wade through pages of comments. :) I thought it was an amazing Super Bowl. Final quarter has to go down as one of the best ever.

[Karlifornia]

Brady's post-game conference was a testament to himself....I give him kudos for being extremely professional in defeat. +1 to Tom Brady. Mercury Morris is still a jerkoff, even if I was rooting for the same result he was.

[Sweed]

The '72 Dolphins are still an overrated embarrassment.

How can a team that is the only undefeated Super Bowl champions be overrated?

An embarrassment? Sure some of them comment when any team has been talked about matching their undefeated record. But I do believe if another team does go undefeated the majority of those guys will congratulate them, including Mercury. Personally I've never had a problem with the 72'ers discounting the greatest season talk whether it's the current Patriots, Colts of last year, or Ditka's Bears. Today's game proves the point, lots of talk all season long and yet the Dolphins are still the only ones in the club. Is it the pressure? Luck? Doesn't really matter does it? They have the only perfect season and have every right to be proud of that.

I'm curious if you are old enough to have watched the 72 Dolphins play? I am (fwiw I've been a Rams fan since 1968 so I'm not an old AFLer or homer for the Fish). They were a great team that had a great 4-5 year run mostly in a 3 yards and a cloud of dust era. They were a bunch of "team first" type of guys, much like todays Patriots, and I would say the majority of football fans wanted to see them go undefeated unlike the Patriots (at least the poll I read was something like 54% wanting the Pats to lose). Not really sure why the Pats get so much hate. More media than 35 years ago with 24 hour coverage? Belicheck? Boston now winning multiple titles in both football and baseball with the Celtics on the rise?

Too me people get lost in trying to make the greatest team argument, ie are the 72 Dolphins the greatest or if the Pats went 19-0 are they the greatest.
IMHO the greatest team argument is something that can never be proved because of different eras. But the greatest season argument at least IMHO is still valid and has to go to the Dolphins as the only undefeated Champions.

And on topic. Congrats to the Giants they played a great game especially on defense. The Pats played hard and had every chance to win. Mercury may claim the pressure of going undefeated did them in, I don't believe that for a moment. Brady did his thing getting a late TD to get the lead and the NE defense didn't fold in the end. Manning just made a great play escaping what looked like a sure sack and Tyree made a great catch despite NE being in positions to deny them. Sometimes that's just the way it goes. NE ends up 18-1, a great accomplishment, but without the championship a disappointment.

[molson]

Yeah, calling the 72 dolphins a "fraud" is very classy.

What a joke.

It CAN'T be only Pats fans that are annoyed that the 72 Dolphins still get to hog the spotlight....If I had no rooting interest I'd still be annoyed about that.

[Deattribution]

Yeah, calling the 72 dolphins a "fraud" is very classy.

What a joke.

Definately, sounds like sour grapes. They're still the only undefeated team, the only fraud is the 'greatest team ever' that didn't show up tonight.

[Kodos]

Brady did not have a good game, but come on, he was obviously playing with an injury. He wasn't nearly as mobile as he usually is, and his mechanics were obviously affected on some plays. He's still an all-time great QB.


Waah-waaaah-waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah.

Woulda. Coulda. Shoulda. :p

[molson]

Your team lost the super bowl and you're on the internet crying about whether or not you or someone else was called "classy" or "not classy" or whatever...why?



I think the classy/non classy debate is the most retarded thing in the history of the internet, so I'm with you there.

And my team pulled the biggest choke job in Super Bowl history - so don't read TOO much into anything I'm posting at this point....

[molson]

Definately, sounds like sour grapes. They're still the only undefeated team, the only fraud is the 'greatest team ever' that didn't show up tonight.

They're a fraud too, no question.

I just hate the Dolphins.

[SirFozzie]

Pats fans shouldn't be talking trash about any team tonight.

A) We just lost the super bowl. Don't complain about any team that won it.. they did what we didn't.

B)If you're trying to prove that all Pats fans aren't jerks, just nod, acknowledge that the Giants out played us for a majority of the game, made the big plays when it mattered, and walk away. We're all mighty freakin disappointed, but look.. no matter how much fussin, cussin or screaming you do.. the Scoreboard ain't gonna change none.. so why put yourself through it?

[Izulde]

It CAN'T be only Pats fans that are annoyed that the 72 Dolphins still get to hog the spotlight....If I had no rooting interest I'd still be annoyed about that.

The 72 Dolphins got it done.

They're the only team to have gone undefeated and win the Super Bowl.

Complain all you want, fairly moronically call them a fraud if you like, but the fact is, they did it.

If the Patriots had won, I'd be disappointed that 72's not the only undefeated season anymore, but I'd have given them their due for getting it done.

[Maple Leafs]

What does Bill Belichik have in common with Don Shula?

They're the only two coaches in NFL history to never be on the sidelines to see their team lose a game.

(C) 2008 - Me.

[Crapshoot]

It CAN'T be only Pats fans that are annoyed that the 72 Dolphins still get to hog the spotlight....If I had no rooting interest I'd still be annoyed about that.

Its not. I'm not a Pats fan and I think you're prone to histrionics on the Pats, but in this case, the Dolphins aren't particularly appealing.

[k0ruptr]

As for Tiki, I say he was one of the most classiest players I've ever seen for his 10 year run in the league, I dont think whatever he said or did after he was a player has ruined the way he acted as a player.

at least imo.

[larrymcg421]

What does Bill Belichik have in common with Don Shula?

They're the only two coaches in NFL history to never be on the sidelines to see their team lose a game.

(C) 2008 - Me.

Heh, I had to think about it for a second. I was like, "When did Shula ever leave the sidelines before a game was over?"

Good one.

[dime]

regarding the the nfl, people think about the 89 49ers, the 85 bears, the 70s steelers, the 60s packers and so on often.

the only time anyone ever thinks about the 72 dolphins is when a team is 10-0 or whatever. so I guess it doesn't bother me, they are a nice footnote but no one takes that team seriously as one of the "best ever" because they clearly were not, even in their era.

[molson]

The 72 Dolphins got it done.

They're the only team to have gone undefeated and win the Super Bowl.

Complain all you want, fairly moronically call them a fraud if you like, but the fact is, they did it.

If the Patriots had won, I'd be disappointed that 72's not the only undefeated season anymore, but I'd have given them their due for getting it done.

Fair enough....

It's just that we hear 99% of NFL fans complaining about Mercury Morris every year, and now all of the sudden they're the greatest team ever again, and I'm classless for knocking them.

[k0ruptr]

and oh yea, the pats are still the best team in the last 10 years, as much as I hate them its the truth.

[Huckleberry]

I assume the Patriots are the only undefeated team to lose a Super Bowl. Have any 1-loss teams (going in) lost?

[Karlifornia]

This is some hardcore shit....it will be debated for decades..fun times...

[larrymcg421]

and oh yea, the pats are still the best team in the last 10 years, as much as I hate them its the truth.

That can't be the case if we go by the Patriots fans own criteria. It's all about the Superbowl. Isn't that how Brady is better than Manning?

[stevew]

regarding the the nfl, people think about the 89 49ers, the 85 bears, the 70s steelers, the 60s packers and so on often.

the only time anyone ever thinks about the 72 dolphins is when a team is 10-0 or whatever. so I guess it doesn't bother me, they are a nice footnote but no one takes that team seriously as one of the "best ever" because they clearly were not, even in their era.

Honestly, I never remember anyone talking about them when i was a kid. Maybe it was assumed that there would be another unbeaten team soon, or something.

[molson]

I assume the Patriots are the only undefeated team to lose a Super Bowl. Have any 1-loss teams (going in) lost?

The Colts were 13-1 going into Super Bowl III.

[Rizon]

Congratulations to the Giants. I never even imagined they could do it. I'm glad they flat out beat the Patriots, and didn't win by a bogus call or some other crap. And I am now on the Eli bandwagon.

And get this: Being a Dolphins fan, I was smiling at the end of the season.

[molson]

That can't be the case if we go by the Patriots fans own criteria. It's all about the Superbowl. Isn't that how Brady is better than Manning?

I don't recall that "being the Patriots fans own criteria" - though obviously for a team to be considered in the "best ever" discussion they need to have won the Super Bowl. In the last 10 years though, the only competition is other Patriots teams, and I think this one was better than the the 3 championship teams.

[larrymcg421]

The dumbest thing ever is people criticizing the 72 Dolphins for their schedule. They didn't get to pick their schedule. It's not the Dolphins fault that the Jets, Colts, Bills, and Pats sucked that year. What the Dolphins did do was beat a 10-4 Browns team (5th best in the entire league) in the divisional round and then beat the two teams tied for the 2nd best record in the conference championship and Superbowl.

Are the 72 Dolphins the greatest team ever? That depends on your criteria. They weren't the flashiest. They weren't the most dominating. They weren't the most talented. But the final call on a teams performance is whether they won or lost a game, and the Dolphins performed better than any other team in history.

Some day, a team will come along and match that. The Patriots might even do it next season. When that happens, I promise not to call that team a fraud. They deserve all the respect that the 72 Dolphins deserve right now.

[Noop]

Wow molson your one whiny little bitch, the more you whine the more I enjoy the fact that the Dolphins are the ONLY undefeated team in the history of the NFL. No matter what teams you rank above them none of them can say they were undefeated and actually won the super bowl without choking like a thai prostitute with mandingo.

[Huckleberry]

Nah. The 2005 Texas Longhorns were the best team of the last decade. ;)

[Noop]

Nah. The 2005 Texas Longhorns were the best team of the last decade. ;)

http://assets.espn.go.com/media/ncf/2006/0104/photo/g_young2_195.jpg

One of the greatest performances in a championship game.

[molson]

Wow molson your one whiny little bitch, the more you whine the more I enjoy the fact that the Dolphins are the ONLY undefeated team in the history of the NFL. No matter what teams you rank above them none of them can say they were undefeated and actually won the super bowl without choking like a thai prostitute with mandingo.

1-15

I tried to say the right things all thread, but I give up.....Good night, congrats Giants.

[larrymcg421]

1-15

$750,000 fine, a 1st round pick, and not even a title to show for it.

[Suburban Rhythm]

1-15



18-1

Neither team won a championship.

[Noop]

1-15

LOL. Atleast our franchise has an undefeated season. Something you guys or anyone else can say.

[WelshWizard]

I am not a Dolphins fan, big Patriots fan here. The Dolphins deserve to be mentioned as one of the greatest teams ever in my opinion. In 1971 they go 10-3-1 and lose in the SuperBowl to the Cowboys. The very next season they go undeafeated beating the Redskins 14-7 in the Superbowl but it does not end there as in 1973 they go 12-2 and beat the Vikings 24-7 in the Superbowl. In this span they have a record of 36-5-1 in the Regular Season go to 3 SuperBowls winning 2 of them. I think they definately deserve to be talked about as one of the best teams ever.

[miami_fan]

Fair enough....

It's just that we hear 99% of NFL fans complaining about Mercury Morris every year, and now all of the sudden they're the greatest team ever again, and I'm classless for knocking them.

See this is where you are wrong. Who are all these people who are saying that the 72 Dolphins were the greatest team ever? I have heard ONE person make the argument that the Dolphins were the best team ever. Mike Greenberg. Nuff said on that one. No more. Hell you have a better shot of hearing about how great the Ravens of a few years back were the greatest team ever than you would the 72 Dolphins.

What has been said is that one team has gone undefeated throughtout an entire season. The 72 Dolphins. That is it. That is undeniable. That is what they are credited with. It is only recently that people have to try to devalue the accomplishment. As if strength of schedule actually means something in pro football when you go undefeated and win a Super Bowl. The funny thing is I can think of 31 teams in the NFL who could go undefeated next year and it would not have bothered be near as much as it would have this year for the Pats. Is it nice that my team is the only team to have gone undefeated? Sure. But it would not have bothered me if the Colts had done it a few years ago. Hell if the 2001 Patriots would have done it, it would not have bothered me that much.

It's also funny that people get ripped for calling the Patriots classless based on the actions of a few (Harrison and Coach Bill the biggest culprits) but it is okay to dismiss the 72 Dolphins based on Mercury Morris. A quote from a member of the 72 Dolphins speaking of the 2007 Patriots before the game on Sunday

They would kick our (behinds) up and down the field, from one side to the other," said former tight end Jim Mandich, now color analyst for Dolphins radio broadcasts and a popular talk-show host in South Florida. "It would be 38-0 at halftime."


Oh yeah from the aforementioned Morris

Morris said he doesn't take anything away from New England because of `Spygate.' "It means absolutely nothing," he said. He argues that Miami's perfection 35 years ago is something to celebrate, and the longer that record has stayed in tact, the more impressive it has become.

"But if someone comes along like the Patriots and plays the kind of football that's reminiscent of the kind of control we had, then my hat's off to them," Morris said.


I could include quotes from Bob Griese, Manny Fernandez and more but what's the point?

[Nwobhm]

Poetic justice for Belicheat! I'm no fan of either team, but seeing that arrogant cheater finally come out on the losing end was satisfying. I do feel bad for Seau, but the Giants deserved to win.

[miami_fan]

I am sorry the thread took a turn in the wrong direction. This thread is not and should not be about the Pats or the Dolphins.

The Giants are the champions. Just tell me the parade will be in the city and not around the Meadowlands parking lot okay?;)

[SteveMax58]

Woohoo!!!! How bout them G-Men????? Ok...got that last one out.

I do feel for Pats & their fans as in many ways, it was the perfect season, and seemed like it would be fitting for them to cap it off. I just think the Giants wanted it more tonight. I heard Randy Moss mention that as well, saying that they(the Pats) just couldnt seem to match their(the Giants) intensity.

The one thing I'll say is that, despite the numbers & the point differential records, etc...I did not see the same Patriots defense this year as I saw in their B-2-B SB years. Not bad, just not dominant. They played well tonight...but I tend to think the '04 or '05 Pats-D steps up at the end and makes a play.

[oykib]

That was an absolutely amazing run by the Giants. Unbelievable.

[Jas_lov]

I also don't mind the 72 Dolphins touting their perfect season. They did something that has NEVER been done in the history of the NFL and are proud of it. Had the Patriots won tonight, I wouldn't have had a problem with them touting their perfect season. But they didn't and their season will forever go down as a failure.

[Galaxy]

The dumbest thing ever is people criticizing the 72 Dolphins for their schedule. They didn't get to pick their schedule. It's not the Dolphins fault that the Jets, Colts, Bills, and Pats sucked that year. What the Dolphins did do was beat a 10-4 Browns team (5th best in the entire league) in the divisional round and then beat the two teams tied for the 2nd best record in the conference championship and Superbowl.

Are the 72 Dolphins the greatest team ever? That depends on your criteria. They weren't the flashiest. They weren't the most dominating. They weren't the most talented. But the final call on a teams performance is whether they won or lost a game, and the Dolphins performed better than any other team in history.

Some day, a team will come along and match that. The Patriots might even do it next season. When that happens, I promise not to call that team a fraud. They deserve all the respect that the 72 Dolphins deserve right now.

Hell, I think the '85 Bears are better then the Pats.

[oykib]

BTW, all credit to the Mets.

They made their big splash. But there's cosmic rule that they can't have the back pages in NY. So, it was inevitable that the Giants would make the big trade an afterthought.

[Vinatieri for Prez]

Hell, I think the '85 Bears are better then the Pats.

I agree. The '85 Bears are the best NFL team I have seen in my lifetime.

[Chief Rum]

...The Vinatieri FG's...

Not to take anything away from what were clutch championship-winning kicks, but I think you're looking at that through Pats colored glasses.

No play where the team completed a play successfully that they should complete should be in consideration for the best SB plays ever. None of those kicks were outside of Vinatieri's range and blocked FGs are relatively rare.

Agreed on the end of the Rams-Titans game play, though.

[Vinatieri for Prez]

I'll pitch in some final words as a Pats fan.

Crushing loss. I mean its tough to be sitting there at 18-0, staring at immortality and then it's gone (I'm sure that makes some of the haters happy to hear). When Moss caught the go-ahead TD, I began to think. "well, we survived another one."

But I can say that this game was won by the Giants D-Line hands down. And by a singular amazing play by Manning and even more so by Tyree. Say what you want about Manning about escaping the rush (damn good), but Tyree's catch (especially when you watch it in slow motion) was beyond belief -- he caught it on his helmet with Harrison's arm in between his hands.

The Pats could have changed the game at many times, if they just could have chipped in some FGs here and there when they got across midfield. But after going up by 4 with their TD, the offense just stalled (mostly due to the Giant's D).

And the Pats D played awesome . . . until there was about 10 minutes go in the game. I mean they held them to 3 points for 3 quarters. And then 14 points on their last 2 possessions.

All in all, the game was there for the Pats offense to make one or two more plays to win. And the Giants simply stopped them.

I've always thought the Pats win over the Rams was the greatest NFL upset of all time. This game surpassed it.

I think it is now guaranteed that Giants D coordinator, Spagnulo (sp?) will be the head coach in Washington.

[dime]

re: best team in the last 10 years, I would take the 98 broncos over the pats. they could run the ball and were better on special teams as well.

[cuervo72]

I'd put the '07 Giants ahead of that fraud Dolphins team that beat exactly ONE team with a winning record all season.

According to pro football reference, both KC and NYG had winning records in '72. NYJ and MIN were 7-7, and in the playoffs CLE, PIT and WAS were 10-4, 11-3, 11-3. Not the most impressive regular season schedule, but it's not college, you don't schedule your own games.

[Chief Rum]

Wow, somehow I feel really bad for some of the Patriots fans on this board. Some of the comments that Pats-haters have made are far more classless than anything I saw any Pats fans post here this season.

Agreed. No reason to pile on. Take the win and move on.

[Kodos]

Obviously, I was glad to see guys like Belicheat and Rodney Harrison lose. But they played a good game. The Giants played a great game and showed a lot of heart. I never would have believed Eli could make a play like he did. Congratulations to David slaying Goliath. While I usually hate the Giants, tonight, I love 'em.

Brady showed some class after the loss. I don't have anything against him. But tonight definitely showed that he is mortal when he starts getting hit. All year I've been telling my father-in-law that the other teams had to go after Brady to win. Glad somebody finally did it.

You had a great season Pats fans. You can be proud. You just came up short. The Mannings own you in the playoffs, I guess.

[Chief Rum]

I've been thinking the same thing. Maybe they are talking about people appropriately calling out Belichick for leaving the field early?

This emphasizes a point for me. I have said in the past that I openly root against the Pats because of their fans. Their fans have actually been really classy tonight.

But my second reason has always been Belichek. The possibility he may have taped the Rams' final walkthrough before the last SB shocker seven years ago is just another big drop in the bucket. I actually like pretty much every Pats player--even Moss. Brady is amazing. Heck, the whole team is amazing.

But I swear Belicheck is pure evil. If he ever leaves the Pats, I will hate the Pats much less, and hate his new team much more.

[ISiddiqui]

WOOOOHOOOOO!!!!

Thank you Giants!! What a wonderful game and the Eli to Tyree play will be on the shortlist of greatest SB plays for a long, long, long while.

[Kodos]

YES!!!! YES!!! My cats just jumped when I shouted!

I had one of those moments too. When the Giants went ahead 10-7. :)

[Chief Rum]

Brady is a great quarterback. But the real message is that he's not that much better than a long list of other great quarterbacks. The difference is that he's been blessed to be on great teams and, more importantly, has consistently been given a ridiculous amount of time in the pocket. When he doesn't have that, he's simply a great quarterback. Not one of the greatest of all time.

I disagree. What great running game has this guy ever really had? An old Corey Dillon? Kevin Faulk? What dominant offensive line? Not to dig on their lines, which have always been effective and well-coached, but is there a single Hall of Famer on that line in the long run in the past seven years? What great receivers, prior to this year? Troy Brown? Terry Glenn? David Patten?

Sorry, but what Brady has accomplished is amazing. Right now, I think he might be the most efficient, cool under pressure winning quarterback of all time, and, IMO, only the names of Favre and Montana deserve to be mentioned with him until further notice.

And I am neither a Pats fan nor a Michigan fan nor gay.

[Young Drachma]

WOOOOHOOOOO!!!!

Thank you Giants!! What a wonderful game and the Eli to Tyree play will be on the shortlist of greatest SB plays for a long, long, long while.

When I saw that play, all I said was "that settles it. They have to win now. That's just fate."

What a play.

[ISiddiqui]

When I saw that play, all I said was "that settles it. They have to win now. That's just fate."

What a play.

Yep. It is just how it works out. A play like that means you gotta win.

[INDalltheway]

http://assets.espn.go.com/media/ncf/2006/0104/photo/g_young2_195.jpg

One of the greatest performances in Wonderlic Test history.
Fixed that for ya...

[Chief Rum]

As long as whoever the idiot behind "ATreeInNewEngland" creates "A bridge in Seattle". I'm good with this.

Oh, come on, Foz, ATreeInNewEngland is brilliant. Highlight of the thread so far. Even you have to admit that's funny. :D

And, no, I didn't start that name.

[Galaxy]

I agree. The '85 Bears are the best NFL team I have seen in my lifetime.

And come on, how do you top this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJNC3dgreaU&feature=related

[Chief Rum]

If Asante Samuels makes that interception at the end, everyone is talking about how Brady cemented his reputation as the greatest QB of all time. It bounces off his hands and now Brady's mediocre?

Meh...if he catches that ball, he lands out of bounds. There was no way he catches that ball and gets two feet in. Even coming up short, he didn't land in bounds.

[Chief Rum]

I am (fwiw I've been a Rams fan since 1968 so I'm not an old AFLer or homer for the Fish).

Wow, really? I thought I was the only old Rams fan around here! I could probably talk to you for days. Did you choose to keep following the team when they moved to St. Louis or did that get in your crawl, too? My "relationship" with the St.Louis Rams remains, umm, "complicated", and to this day, I still do not actively and passionately root for any other team in the NFL (although I don't root for them really either).

[Atocep]

I disagree. What great running game has this guy ever really had? An old Corey Dillon? Kevin Faulk? What dominant offensive line? Not to dig on their lines, which have always been effective and well-coached, but is there a single Hall of Famer on that line in the long run in the past seven years? What great receivers, prior to this year? Troy Brown? Terry Glenn? David Patten?


You're looking for stars and ignoring results. This year the Patriots had the most effective running game in the NFL this year and dating back to '01 have ranked 12th on average. Not bad over a 7 year period. No standout runners, but they've gotten results.

For the last 4 seasons Brady has been protected very, very well. Its necessary because statistically he's one of the worst QBs in the NFL when pressured. What the Pats have done is consistently give him a solid running game and protected him. He's definitely a great QB and he's fortunate enough to be coached by the best staff in the NFL year in and year out.

Everyone knows the key to beating the Pats is to get pressure on Brady, the fact that this is common knowledge and he's still well protected says a lot about the line he plays behind.

[Young Drachma]

Yeah, the post-game comments I saw from the Patriots and they all seemed pretty classy, which is a testament to everyone knowing how big a deal this game was...and how both teams came to play.

[Eaglesfan27]

This emphasizes a point for me. I have said in the past that I openly root against the Pats because of their fans. Their fans have actually been really classy tonight.

But my second reason has always been Belichek. The possibility he may have taped the Rams' final walkthrough before the last SB shocker seven years ago is just another big drop in the bucket. I actually like pretty much every Pats player--even Moss. Brady is amazing. Heck, the whole team is amazing.

But I swear Belicheck is pure evil. If he ever leaves the Pats, I will hate the Pats much less, and hate his new team much more.

I agree.

[Galaril]

Yeah, the post-game comments I saw from the Patriots and they all seemed pretty classy, which is a testament to everyone knowing how big a deal this game was...and how both teams came to play.

I felt kind of bad for Brady during his press interview. He looked like he really was going to start crying. It was very obvious these guys gave the Giants no chance of winning.

[TroyF]

This emphasizes a point for me. I have said in the past that I openly root against the Pats because of their fans. Their fans have actually been really classy tonight.

But my second reason has always been Belichek. The possibility he may have taped the Rams' final walkthrough before the last SB shocker seven years ago is just another big drop in the bucket. I actually like pretty much every Pats player--even Moss. Brady is amazing. Heck, the whole team is amazing.

But I swear Belicheck is pure evil. If he ever leaves the Pats, I will hate the Pats much less, and hate his new team much more.

What he said.

[Atocep]

This emphasizes a point for me. I have said in the past that I openly root against the Pats because of their fans. Their fans have actually been really classy tonight.

But my second reason has always been Belichek. The possibility he may have taped the Rams' final walkthrough before the last SB shocker seven years ago is just another big drop in the bucket. I actually like pretty much every Pats player--even Moss. Brady is amazing. Heck, the whole team is amazing.

But I swear Belicheck is pure evil. If he ever leaves the Pats, I will hate the Pats much less, and hate his new team much more.

I agree 100%. The pats fans I have met over the past several years have been the most obnoxious fans I've ever seen. The ones on this board are generally great and have taken this a lot better than most fans would have, given the circumstances.

Now I know Pats fans have defended Belichick by saying just about every team's fans would love to have him as a coach. Before tonight, I could certainly see it. However, he walked out on his team and left his defense to go out for the kneeldown. That is about as low as you can get as a leader. Success or not, there's a lot of coaches I'd take over him right now.

[Young Drachma]

Only the 5th Wild Card team to win a Super Bowl. I don't know why I imagined there would be more than that.

[bhlloy]

An interesting thing I read in a blog this evening that I agree with 100%. Belicheck's decision to leave the field with 2 seconds left once he knew they were going to lose, is even more freaking pathetic when you consider how EVERY SINGLE coach that he ran the score up on earlier in the season in a fit of pique was nothing but classy, stayed until the end and shook his hand after the game.

I agree CR. Can take or leave the Patriots and their players. The coach is a douche and a sore loser, no matter how good he is at his job.

[Young Drachma]

How's Archie gotta be feeling to have both of his boys getting titles back to back. Good for him.

[Kodos]

I hope he loses the respect of his team for leaving early. What a coward. He's the classic rub it in when he wins, but can't take the medicine when he loses.

Poor Junior Seau. He was barely holding himself together in an interview. I would have liked to see him and Welker get a ring -- but not with the Patriots.

[Groundhog]

That was perhaps my favourite superbowl in recent memory, but then I just love to watch a team win it with defence.

Having said that, A part of me is disappointed for both the Patriots and their fans. Maybe even a little bit for myself, as if they'd won, I'd have been able to say that I saw the greatest team of all-time take out the superbowl. Unfortunately now they are just "one of those teams", and destined for a trivial pursuit question in 20 years time, which isn't fair considering what they've achieved this year, prior to today.

Kudos to Eli Manning as well for proving me wrong and solid game. It may have been the Giants D that was the real MVP, but Manning continued to play far better under pressure than I expected him to.

[Young Drachma]

After what Strahan went through last year with his wife selling his stuff in a garage sale in front of his house and calling him gay in court and having the worst pre-nup in the history of rich dudes who plays sports...it's good to see him back on top and to have played well en route.

Man, who knows how Tiki feels. But after all the spouting off he did to start the year, I'm glad he wasn't redeemed.

The perfectville commercials were funny. I wonder what they had setup for if the Patriots won.

[G-Man]

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!
Been a Giant's fan since 1966 and this is the greatest win by them in my lifetime!!!
Patriots 18 and...NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!
Oh and the Patriots did not lose this game, the G-Men kicked their tushes all over the field and took it from them!!
What a postseason!! Unbelievable!!

[larrymcg421]

Lost in all this argument is the idiotic announcing team suggesting the Giants might punt it on their final drive. That was Maddenesque in its idiocy.

[Northwood_DK]

Not sure if this have been mentioned before but its nice not having to talk about the referees after a Super Bowl (or any game actually). Good job by Mike Carey and his crew.

[Jas_lov]

Ed Hochuli has got nothing on Mike Carey, the best referee in the business hands down. They called a great game tonight and deserve to ref the Super Bowl again next year.

[miami_fan]

Not sure if this have been mentioned before but its nice not having to talk about the referees after a Super Bowl (or any game actually). Good job by Mike Carey and his crew.

+1

[Toddzilla]

...and somewhere out there, Mercury Morris is getting FUCKED UP

:D :D :D :D :D

[miami_fan]

The perfectville commercials were funny. I wonder what they had setup for if the Patriots won.

Those were funny:D

[JAG]

For the last 4 seasons Brady has been protected very, very well. Its necessary because statistically he's one of the worst QBs in the NFL when pressured.

Are you kidding me? I'd love to see those stats because every time I watch Brady, I see a guy who 99% of the time who is accurate and makes good decisions, even when under pressure. Yesterday's game is the most inaccurate I remember seeing him play in good weather conditions and he did still manage to complete 60% of his throws with no INT's despite being under heavy pressure all game.

The Patriots obviously have had good teams around him. You can say that about any of the dynasties in the past. I personally think he's had less offensive talent to work with than Bradshaw, Montana, or Aikman did.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Agreed. No reason to pile on. Take the win and move on.

"Take the win"?

Other than the fact the QB happened to have the last name "Manning", I couldn't really care less about the Giants. Our household was quite happy for that whole family last night but let's be real here ... there's a whole lot of the country that's MUCH happier that the Patriots lost than there are that the Giants won.

And that's not taking anything away from the Giants who played one helluva game, but there's not a lot of emotional attachment to them for the majority of the country (same as most other teams). But for the average viewer this one was all about crushing the Patriots' hopes.

[Tekneek]

The '72 Dolphins are still an overrated embarrassment.

How? They even lost their starting QB for a significant part of the season. They overcame issues that the 2007 Patriots didn't even have to deal with, and somehow kept winning all the way to the end.

[Dr. Sak]

Not sure if this have been mentioned before but its nice not having to talk about the referees after a Super Bowl (or any game actually). Good job by Mike Carey and his crew.

Yeah it is a thankless job. They would be the first to be criticized if something went wrong, but don't get any praise when they do a good job. Mike Carey and his crew did a great job with the game.

[Alan T]

"Take the win"?

Other than the fact the QB happened to have the last name "Manning", I couldn't really care less about the Giants. Our household was quite happy for that whole family last night but let's be real here ... there's a whole lot of the country that's MUCH happier that the Patriots lost than there are that the Giants won.

And that's not taking anything away from the Giants who played one helluva game, but there's not a lot of emotional attachment to them for the majority of the country (same as most other teams). But for the average viewer this one was all about crushing the Patriots' hopes.

I couldn't imagine watching a superbowl that way... Even back when the 49ers were in superbowl after superbowl (The 49ers being the one team in the NFL I despise), I usually just didn't watch.

My feeling is the average viewer like myself watched last night just hoping for a good game, and could find reasons to be excited regardless of which team won. I think for the average viewer, last night's super bowl was outstanding, it was an excellent game that didn't have much to overshadow it. The final score actually for once does tell you the story of that game.

I actually am kind of disappointed that the majority of people have made this into a FU to the Pats or their fans or whatever. I think getting lost in all of this is the Giants and their fans. What a game, and what a final last two months for that team. In the end of the season, the Giants won the game with a great running game and excellent defense, the old school way. I'm still not ready to say Eli is a 10 top QB in the NFL just yet, but who cares right now.. he has a super bowl ring.

[Toddzilla]

The '72 Dolphins are still an overrated undefeated embarrassment.Fixed

[gstelmack]

Take that perfect record and shove it up your ass. All up in your ass.

For those of you saying there wasn't much classless going on in this thread. One example.

[JonInMiddleGA]

I couldn't imagine watching a superbowl that way... Even back when the 49ers were in superbowl after superbowl (The 49ers being the one team in the NFL I despise), I usually just didn't watch.

Hell, I watch most title games "that way".

Off hand I'd say the number of championships -- SB, WS, what have you -- where I've actively rooted for a team as opposed to against a team is pretty small.

Much the same as NASCAR (especially in the past few years), there's very few I find worth cheering for, but there's definitely some I take delight in seeing lose.

[MIJB#19]

I'm still wowing over Manning to Tyree pass to set up the winning touchdown.

[rkmsuf]

I hate football.

[Chubby]

For those of you saying there wasn't much classless going on in this thread. One example.

I hear there's a book on amazon you might want to preorder. Pretty cheap too...

[Pumpy Tudors]

For those of you saying there wasn't much classless going on in this thread. One example.
Eh, I guess I just put more stock in people being classless toward the fans rather than toward the team. I haven't seen anybody say anything insulting to the Patriots fans here, but - and I guess it's just me - that would bother me a lot more than somebody being rude to the Patriots themselves.

To cthomer, nice place to drop a Rush Hour reference. :D

[Young Drachma]

Not sure if this have been mentioned before but its nice not having to talk about the referees after a Super Bowl (or any game actually). Good job by Mike Carey and his crew.

+3

[rkmsuf]

The game was obviously fixed.

[Pumpy Tudors]

Ummm... not to toot my own horn here, but for you guys mentioning Mike Carey here... uhh... I don't exactly know how to say this, but...

Well, that wasn't Mike Carey. That was me.

[Dr. Sak]

I just spit my coffee everywhere...thanks Pumpy

[molson]

An interesting thing I read in a blog this evening that I agree with 100%. Belicheck's decision to leave the field with 2 seconds left once he knew they were going to lose, is even more freaking pathetic when you consider how EVERY SINGLE coach that he ran the score up on earlier in the season in a fit of pique was nothing but classy, stayed until the end and shook his hand after the game.



Is it that big a deal? We don't know what was said between the referee and Bellichick. This wasn't the Pistons walking off the court against the Bulls. Bellichick ran straight for tom coughlin to congratulate him.

The proper way to deal with that, as someone said earlier in the thread, is line up, and score another TD. That's what the Giants should have done, if the game truly had another snap (though there was about 1,000 people on the field at that point - I don't think there was any way there were going to run the last play no matter what Bellichick did)

[Pumpy Tudors]

Is it that big a deal? We don't know what was said between the referee and Bellichick. This wasn't the Pistons walking off the court against the Bulls. Bellichick ran straight for tom coughlin to congratulate him.
As disrespectful as Belichick was to the Giants, he was even more disrespectful to his players who had to go out there onto the field for one more play. It comes off like he's saying, "You guys fucked up and lost us the game. You're on your own for this one." He abandoned his players who probably didn't want to be on that field any more than he did. For someone who supposedly preaches that no individual is bigger than the team, he shot that philosophy down in a heartbeat.

[Huckleberry]

Is it that big a deal? We don't know what was said between the referee and Bellichick. This wasn't the Pistons walking off the court against the Bulls. Bellichick ran straight for tom coughlin to congratulate him.

The proper way to deal with that, as someone said earlier in the thread, is line up, and score another TD. That's what the Giants should have done, if the game truly had another snap (though there was about 1,000 people on the field at that point - I don't think there was any way there were going to run the last play no matter what Bellichick did)

Huh? They did run the last play. That's the point. Belichick left the field while his team was still there. They had to stay for the final play and he was already gone.

Subtitled: What Pumpy Said

[rkmsuf]

As disrespectful as Belichick was to the Giants, he was even more disrespectful to his players who had to go out there onto the field for one more play. It comes off like he's saying, "You guys fucked up and lost us the game. You're on your own for this one." He abandoned his players who probably didn't want to be on that field any more than he did. For someone who supposedly preaches that no individual is bigger than the team, he shot that philosophy down in a heartbeat.

give me a break

we colonize mars yet? I think I'm moving there.

[Eaglesfan27]

As disrespectful as Belichick was to the Giants, he was even more disrespectful to his players who had to go out there onto the field for one more play. It comes off like he's saying, "You guys fucked up and lost us the game. You're on your own for this one." He abandoned his players who probably didn't want to be on that field any more than he did. For someone who supposedly preaches that no individual is bigger than the team, he shot that philosophy down in a heartbeat.

Well said. I find it incredible that anyone is trying to defend Belicheck's leaving the field early.

[molson]

Huh? They did run the last play. That's the point. Belichick left the field while his team was still there. THey had to stay for the final play and he was already gone.

Hmmm, you know, those last few minutes are kind of a blur actually. I don't remember a final kneel down, though I remember tons of people on the field with :01, so I probably just missed it.

[Young Drachma]

Ticker tape parade it is.... (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=aBXA9sWu..qo&refer=us)

[Buccaneer]

I suppose that all of the anti-Pats sentiments (esp. those from NY/NJ) are no different than the many anti-Yankees sentiments that usually come out of the woodworks. It goes with the territory.

Now can we make it the Bolts turn next season, please?

[Pumpy Tudors]

give me a break

we colonize mars yet? I think I'm moving there.
I think you've officially crossed over into "let's stop talking about the Patriots" territory.