The Official Superbowl XLII Thread!!

[DaddyTorgo]

Let the fun begin!

[rkmsuf]

this thread is where all the consensual horseplay takes place

[Pumpy Tudors]

hey this is a great game i don't know why you guys aren't watching it

[DaddyTorgo]

pumpy...how'd you get the "bounty hunter" title? I just noticed that

[DaddyTorgo]

hey this is a great game i don't know why you guys aren't watching it

the game's not on yet

[larrymcg421]

Boring matchup. Even if the Giants somehow play out of their minds, the Patriots will use some method of cheating to overcome any deficit they face, just like they did in the Superbowl against the Eagles.


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[Honolulu_Blue]

This could turn out to be a decent game. The Giants have definitely earned the spot. The outplayed the top two NFC teams - Cowboys and Packers - on the road.

I think the Giants have been playing the best football of any NFC team over the last handful of weeks.

At the end of the day, however, I think if the Patriots want to move the ball, they will move the ball.

[Cringer]

The Giants defense is peaking at the right time. Their offense is peaking as well. They played the Patriots well in week 17. They have won 10 games on the road, and this can be looked at as a road game. I would say, and hope it is so, that the Giants can make a heck of a game out of this and could win.

Hopefully Giants fans don't make me want to cheer against them. Right now I would like to see them win but that could change.

[Alan T]

Hey guys, I am going on an undercover mission for a government agency for 6 months. I'll only have access to FOFC, but will be recording the game. Please no one post the winner or score of the game until September!

Thanks!

[larrymcg421]

Hey guys, I am going on an undercover mission for a government agency for 6 months. I'll only have access to FOFC, but will be recording the game. Please no one post the winner or score of the game until September!

Thanks!

Patriots 17 (+7 Refs) 24, Giants 17

[Pumpy Tudors]

pumpy...how'd you get the "bounty hunter" title? I just noticed that
Step 1: Become a bounty hunter
Step 2: ???
Step 3: Get custom title

the game's not on yet
quit playing games with my heart

[Dutch]

I think the Giants might just have enough in the tank to win this game. They are completely healthy and damn near the whole team is peaking. I'll definately be tuned in. If a New York based team defeats the undefeated Boston based team in the Super Bowl, we may have a mini-civil war on our hands.

[gstelmack]

Patriots 17 (+7 Refs) 24, Giants 17

:rolleyes:

I do expect a good game. The Giants are rolling and playing well, the Pats just got their horrible passing game out of the way, and the two teams now know each other from their week 17 matchup. At the end of the day, I think the Giants couldn't win in week 17 after giving it all they had, so I think the Patriots take this one, too. I do expect a higher scoring game though, more in line with the week 17 score.

[korme]

First two thoughts:

1) The last Giants SB I watched was the most disintered I was since I can remember.

2) This reminds me of Pats/Panthers a few years back.

[Pumpy Tudors]

1) The last Giants SB I watched was the most disintered I was since I can remember.
Well, they were playing against the Ravens. If you weren't a fan of either team, was there really anything interesting about that Super Bowl? Trent Dilfer and Kerry Collins were the starting quarterbacks, fucryingoutloud.

[DaddyTorgo]

Well, they were playing against the Ravens. If you weren't a fan of either team, was there really anything interesting about that Super Bowl? Trent Dilfer and Kerry Collins were the starting quarterbacks, fucryingoutloud.

Heyyy...show some respect. Trent Dilfer has a motherfuckin SuperBowl ring. Given, he's the QB who probably did the least amount of work to earn one, but he's got one. :D

[JAG]

Well, they were playing against the Ravens. If you weren't a fan of either team, was there really anything interesting about that Super Bowl?

I think they were close to setting a punting record.

[Pumpy Tudors]

Heyyy...show some respect. Trent Dilfer has a motherfuckin SuperBowl ring. Given, he's the QB who probably did the least amount of work to earn one, but he's got one. :D
You know what? This sorta makes me realize something. I've been wondering pretty often why Eli Manning gets so much grief. I've seen people go so far as to say that he's actually a terrible quarterback. Now, I know his numbers haven't been great over his career, and he's probably not much more than an average quarterback at this point, but I've defended the guy a little bit. Now, he's even led the team to the Super Bowl.

Of course, at this point, I realize that the last quarterback to lead the Giants to the Super Bowl was Kerry Collins. Clearly, bringing your team to the Super Bowl don't mean shit.

[DaddyTorgo]

You know what? This sorta makes me realize something. I've been wondering pretty often why Eli Manning gets so much grief. I've seen people go so far as to say that he's actually a terrible quarterback. Now, I know his numbers haven't been great over his career, and he's probably not much more than an average quarterback at this point, but I've defended the guy a little bit. Now, he's even led the team to the Super Bowl.

Of course, at this point, I realize that the last quarterback to lead the Giants to the Super Bowl was Kerry Collins. Clearly, bringing your team to the Super Bowl don't mean shit.

LOL


and i hope you realized that in my initial post I was just joking around with you, i didn't actually want you to show either of them any particular amount of respect

[Pumpy Tudors]

LOL


and i hope you realized that in my initial post I was just joking around with you, i didn't actually want you to show either of them any particular amount of respect
Does anybody show Kerry Collins respect? Has anyone? Ever?

[Groundhog]

It will take a terrible game from Brady combined with a terrific game from the Giants D and another non-screwup game from Eli to give the Giants a chance at this one. Whenever two teams meet in the superbowl who I don't care too much about I usually put cash on the underdog, but in this matchup I think that'd be a massive waste of money. Just going to be on the margin in this one.

[Dr. Sak]

Does anybody show Kerry Collins respect? Has anyone? Ever?

Collins was a part of one of the best ever offenses in college, the 1994 Penn State Nittany Lions.

[Pumpy Tudors]

Collins was a part of one of the best ever offenses in college, the 1994 Penn State Nittany Lions.
I knew that if anybody on this board would find something good in Kerry Collins, it'd be you. :)

[Rizon]

NE 38, NYG 14

NE 0-10-21-7
NY 7-0-0-7

Brady 60%, 300+ yards, 4 TD, MVP
Eli <50%, 3 INT

This will be close at halftime, like always. The winning team will crush them in the end, like always. The final game score will make it look like the game will be closer than it was, with the losing team scoring close to the end, like always. The commercials will suck, like always. I will dub this the Like Always Bowl.

NE is like the 32 year old male retail manager, and NY is like the 18 year old female clerk. After very little sweet talking NE will have it's way with NY. NY will come out of this with a flawed view of males (daddy didn't pay enough attention!!!), and possibly crabs. NE strikes me as the type that says it will pull out, but never does.

[Lathum]

Eddie Murphy can tell the future

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IP-f7XbCtRY

[14ers]

Is the Giants 10 game road streak on the line?


It looks like the Giants will be in their white jerseys and officially listed as the road team, so will this game count toward their Away streak?

[molson]

Boring matchup. Even if the Giants somehow play out of their minds, the Patriots will use some method of cheating to overcome any deficit they face, just like they did in the Superbowl against the Eagles.

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Oh, so THAT'S what this is all about - you're won of those Eagles fans who mortgaged their house and went into bankruptcy to see the Eagles in the Super Bowl, only to see fatty McNabb blow the game. You shouldn't take it so hard - you guys wanted Ricky Williams anyway, right?

[miami_fan]

Boring matchup. Even if the Giants somehow play out of their minds, the Patriots will use some method of cheating to overcome any deficit they face, just like they did in the Superbowl against the Eagles.


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Oh, so THAT'S what this is all about - you're won of those Eagles fans who mortgaged their house and went into bankruptcy to see the Eagles in the Super Bowl, only to see fatty McNabb blow the game. You shouldn't take it so hard - you guys wanted Ricky Williams anyway, right?

hook, line, and sinker

[JS19]

Not sure why the Giants get such little credit here, probably mostly an anti NY type thing. Don't know if anyone missed it, but the Giants nearly beat them in week 17, so I think they proved they can at least compete with the Pats. If mistake free Eli shows up, I think they have a shot, it was his mistake in week 17 that was a big blow to their chances of winning the game. It's not just on this board, but everyone where I go/watch, it's like "oh well the Giants will just get blown out, such a boring Super Bowl". It's not like this team or that team would have a shot at beating them, so why not the Giants? a team which proved they have the ability to beat them.

[Dekanth]

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m14/21stick/Tom-Bradyflowers.jpg

[molson]

hook, line, and sinker

You realize you don't have to pay by the post here, right? If someone gets off by making me respond, so be it, jerk off away.

[Galaril]

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m14/21stick/Tom-Bradyflowers.jpg

Not that it is a big deal but Brady as shown in the photo is in a walking cast.:confused:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs07/news/story?id=3207592&campaign=rss&source=NFLHeadlines

[sabotai]

A double-digit point spread may be a bit much for this game, but looking over the history of the Super Bowl, only 10 times has the underdog won. On the other hand, the Pats were 14 point dogs to the Rams in SB 36, the Broncos were 11 point dogs to GB in SB 32, the Giants were 7 point dogs to the Bills in SB 25 (but I remember people saying the Giants were going to get killed).

Seems like we're due for a big time upset in the Super Bowl...

[Dekanth]

I'm not sure where this one was taken, but I think it shows Giselle is just a front. ;)

http://assets.espn.go.com/i/magazine/new/brady_eli.jpg

[Alan T]

Not that is a big deal but Brady as shown in the photo is in a walking cast.:confused:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs07/news/story?id=3207592&campaign=rss&source=NFLHeadlines


Well he has been on the weekly injury report for years, the guy is a trooper! :D

[Vinatieri for Prez]

Not that it is a big deal but Brady as shown in the photo is in a walking cast.:confused:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs07/news/story?id=3207592&campaign=rss&source=NFLHeadlines

It's not a walking cast, it's his bionic foot; which is attached by pullies to his arm, which give him the strength to zip in his throws to the receiver.

[gstelmack]

I've been wondering pretty often why Eli Manning gets so much grief.

I think it all started with the pouting and the whining and forcing a draft-day trade. Dude has to work hard to overcome it, and maybe he finally has.

[Dr. Sak]

It's not a walking cast, it's his bionic foot; which is attached by pullies to his arm, which give him the strength to zip in his throws to the receiver.

He's fuckin Darth Vader...and his coach is the Emperor. It all makes sense now!

[Pumpy Tudors]

I think it all started with the pouting and the whining and forcing a draft-day trade. Dude has to work hard to overcome it, and maybe he finally has.
If that's the biggest reason, I can give Chargers fans a pass on hating him, but I don't get it otherwise. Is that why people say that he's a terrible quarterback? He's not great, and he's maybe only about average, but it's not like he's in Cleo Lemon territory. Other guys in various leagues have refused to play for the teams that drafted them (John Elway, Eric Lindros, Steve Francis, etc.), and I don't recall anybody saying that those guys were twice as bad as they actually were.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding what I read from a lot of fans, but people make Eli Manning sound like he doesn't even deserve to be an NFL starter, and this is a league that's seen Kellen Clemens, Tarvaris Jackson, and the aforementioned Cleo Lemon start games this year. It's absurd. I'm not saying that anyone here is talking about Eli Manning that badly, but it just seems to be a general feeling that I get about him. Hopefully, guiding his team to a Super Bowl and consistently helping them win road games (a tough task for any team in the NFL) is enough to kinda get people off his back a little bit.

[larrymcg421]

You realize you don't have to pay by the post here, right? If someone gets off by making me respond, so be it, jerk off away.

62 61 69 74 = bait

Just having fun with you guys.

[SirFozzie]

So, any Giants fans want to put up a sig bet? :)

[Lathum]

So, any Giants fans want to put up a sig bet? :)

sure.

[SirFozzie]

standard, "Congratulations to Super Bowl XLII Champions, the New York Giants/New England Patriots" fine with you Lathum?

and say, loser has to have it in their sig till.. hmm.. training camp opens too long? NFL Draft?

[Lathum]

Works for me. Draft is what, april so thats 2 months.

[Dr. Sak]

If the Pats lose I think you should make Foz post of a picture of him holding a sign that says...

"I was the camera guy for Belichick in Spygate 2007."

[RomaGoth]

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m14/21stick/Tom-Bradyflowers.jpg

What the hell is Belichick gonna wear to the game if Brady borrowed his hoody???:eek:

[RomaGoth]

If that's the biggest reason, I can give Chargers fans a pass on hating him, but I don't get it otherwise. Is that why people say that he's a terrible quarterback? He's not great, and he's maybe only about average, but it's not like he's in Cleo Lemon territory. Other guys in various leagues have refused to play for the teams that drafted them (John Elway, Eric Lindros, Steve Francis, etc.), and I don't recall anybody saying that those guys were twice as bad as they actually were.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding what I read from a lot of fans, but people make Eli Manning sound like he doesn't even deserve to be an NFL starter, and this is a league that's seen Kellen Clemens, Tarvaris Jackson, and the aforementioned Cleo Lemon start games this year. It's absurd. I'm not saying that anyone here is talking about Eli Manning that badly, but it just seems to be a general feeling that I get about him. Hopefully, guiding his team to a Super Bowl and consistently helping them win road games (a tough task for any team in the NFL) is enough to kinda get people off his back a little bit.

I can't speak for anyone else, but I just don't like the Manning's in general. Eli is always crying and whining about something, and Peyton is not much better. On top of that, the refs are always giving them some special treatment, essentially not allowing either of them to be hit in a game. Ever. I hate the Pats, but the Colts were given that super bowl appearance last year despite being outplayed in the AFC championship game. This year, they almost did it again but the Chargers would not allow it. Eli has played pretty decent so far, but if the Packers played just a little better they would be in the super bowl. The Pack looked awful in that game.

[Cringer]

standard, "Congratulations to Super Bowl XLII Champions, the New York Giants/New England Patriots" fine with you Lathum?

and say, loser has to have it in their sig till.. hmm.. training camp opens too long? NFL Draft?

Looks like the Giants are winning the Superbowl. ;)

[SirFozzie]

Looks like the Giants are winning the Superbowl. ;)


I KEEL YOU NOW!

[Pumpy Tudors]

In response to RomaGoth, I can accept that people don't like the Mannings or other athletes. To not like a guy is one thing. To make a guy's performance look worse than it is (when it's already just average to begin with) is another. I mean, there are a lot of basketball fans (and players) who hated Karl Malone, but I don't think anyone ever claimed that he wasn't a very good ballplayer. They just didn't like him, and that's fine. I just hear very few people besides Chargers fans just say that they don't like Eli Manning. They say that they don't like him, and then they go on to add how he's such a terrible quarterback.

It doesn't bother me that people talk about Eli Manning. I guess I just don't get it. Aren't there worse starting quarterbacks to say bad things about? Maybe somebody who can't even get his team to the playoffs? I just don't understand.

I suppose I should just let it go, as Eli Manning is pretty much in the same shoes that Rex Grossman was last year, and I've never defended Rex Grossman in my life. I dunno. Maybe I feel bad for Eli in a way. I really shouldn't. He's about to play in the Super Bowl, and he makes millions of dollars a year. I'm sitting here at work with coal dust on my hands. I don't think he needs me.

[Lathum]

Lol at Romagoth.

Eli whines and cries?

The biggest criticism Eli gets is that he is emotionless.

There is such a flawed view of Eli it is a joke.

[Dr. Sak]

There is such a flawed view of Eli it is a joke.

http://campussqueeze.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/eli_manning81.jpg

[rkmsuf]

Shorty 4EVA

[stevew]

62 61 69 74 = bait


I'm trying to figure out the significance of those numbers, but am drawing a blank. I'm sure it's something obvious.

[stevew]

Oh, and I would assume that Shockey going down a few weeks ago is yet another great example of the "Patrick Ewing effect."

And with the type of weapons that Eli has, I would expect him to post a better than mediocre type QB Rating. Although maybe he's just Bradshaw 2.0

[rkmsuf]

Eli has thrown 17, 18 and 20 ints the last 3 years and completed only like 55% of his passes. Has a QB rating south of 80.

What exactly would you be excited about? His great leadership? Uh, ok.

Guy is barely average. At draft pick 1.1, I think Giant fans and NFL fans should expect more.

[SteveMax58]

Lol at Romagoth.

Eli whines and cries?

The biggest criticism Eli gets is that he is emotionless.

There is such a flawed view of Eli it is a joke.

+1

For the life of me, I dont get that perception of him. If anything (as a Giants fan), I wish he would be more vocal to his recievers when they drop easy passes.

I think fair criticism is that he is timid & scared to get hit(i.e. a pussy)...that he is inaccurate on medium range passes(i.e. not focused or disciplined)... that he doesnt seem to possess leadership attributes (i.e. taking charge & keeping his players accountable for their f-ups)...and being emotionless win or lose(i.e. losing does not seem to bother him enough).

Whining & crying?? I dont see it.

[jeff061]

It's what his brother does. Some of that shadow gets cast on him. And as was stated, people still aren't over the San Diego thing.

[Lathum]

In his first four seasons Eli had 77tds and 64 ints and an average rating of 70.55 in 57 starts.

Troy Aikman had 54 td's and 60 int's with an average rating of 74.625 in 54 starts.

I am IN NO WAY saying Eli is a better QB then Aikman but he is only in his 4th year for christs sake. His numbers aren't that bad and he has gotten better each year and turned into more of a leader on and off the field.

He led them to 3 consecutive playoff apearances and now to the super bowl in his first 4 years, how many QB's can say that?

People really need to let go of something a naive 22 year old kid pulled 4 years ago at his fathers urging. This guy is a model citizen and has developed into a winner and a leader.

[rkmsuf]

In his first four seasons Eli had 77tds and 64 ints and an average rating of 70.55 in 57 starts.

Troy Aikman had 54 td's and 60 int's with an average rating of 74.625 in 54 starts.

I am IN NO WAY saying Eli is a better QB then Aikman but he is only in his 4th year for christs sake. His numbers aren't that bad and he has gotten better each year and turned into more of a leader on and off the field.

He led them to 3 consecutive playoff apearances and now to the super bowl in his first 4 years, how many QB's can say that?

People really need to let go of something a naive 22 year old kid pulled 4 years ago at his fathers urging. This guy is a model citizen and has developed into a winner and a leader.


He's not much of a leader and actually got worse this year statistically. That's why the awe of the last 4 games with this guy. Total surprise. Maybe he's turned the corner but in total he's certainly nothing special which from a fans perspective is disappointing. Fair or not.

In a weak NFC you look for him to be the difference by now. Clearly he hasn't been. 20 picks and 56% is not good.

[Lathum]

6 of those picks were in a 2 game span.

I don't know how you can say a guy who led his team to the superbowl isn't a leader. Not to mention there was alot of uncertainty going into this season.

It would have been easy for them to fold after an 0-2 start, instead they have won 10 straight road games. You gonna honestly tell me that has nothing to do with Eli?

[Lathum]

dola- not to mention he led them to a 10-6 record. 5 of those loses were to playoff teams.

[gstelmack]

I think another issue with Manning this year was not actually his fault. The Giants' receivers dropped the most balls in the league this year, and I don't think it had anything to do with how he threw them.

But to be fair he was getting happy feet. The big knock on him was if you got pressure, he'd start just throwing it up there. One big factor in the team's improvement is the offensive line gelling and not letting people get near him.

Any number one overall pick gets this kind of pressure / talk in this day and age. Look at the attention Mario Williams garnered, for example. Alex Smith has issues. Etc etc.

Edit: Plus he's in New York. They shine a pretty big spotlight there.

[Lathum]

Any number one overall pick gets this kind of pressure / talk in this day and age. Look at the attention Mario Williams garnered, for example. Alex Smith has issues. Etc etc.

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except neither of those guys have had the impact Eli has had

[ISiddiqui]

Texan fans may disagree with that one. Williams was a beast this season.

[Lathum]

Here are the last 9 number 1 overall picks. Who has done more so far then Eli?

1998 Indianapolis Peyton Manning, QB, Tennessee
1999 Cleveland Tim Couch, QB, Kentucky
2000 Cleveland Courtney Brown, DE, Penn State
2001 Atlanta Michael Vick, QB, Virginia Tech
2002 Houston David Carr, QB, Fresno State
2003 Cincinnati Carson Palmer, QB, USC
2004 San Diego Eli Manning, QB, Mississippi
2005 San Francisco Alex Smith, QB Utah
2006 Houston Mario Williams, DE North Carolina State

[Lathum]

Texan fans may disagree with that one. Williams was a beast this season.

did he lead them to the playoffs and 10 consecutive road wins?

[ISiddiqui]

did he lead them to the playoffs and 10 consecutive road wins?

Are we talking about team accomplishments or individual ones? Because I'm quite sure Eli's defense and running game probably had a role in some of that. Especially considering the fact that the Giants were 21st in the league in passing, but 4th in rushing and 7th in total defense.

[RomaGoth]

In response to RomaGoth, I can accept that people don't like the Mannings or other athletes. To not like a guy is one thing. To make a guy's performance look worse than it is (when it's already just average to begin with) is another. I mean, there are a lot of basketball fans (and players) who hated Karl Malone, but I don't think anyone ever claimed that he wasn't a very good ballplayer. They just didn't like him, and that's fine. I just hear very few people besides Chargers fans just say that they don't like Eli Manning. They say that they don't like him, and then they go on to add how he's such a terrible quarterback.

It doesn't bother me that people talk about Eli Manning. I guess I just don't get it. Aren't there worse starting quarterbacks to say bad things about? Maybe somebody who can't even get his team to the playoffs? I just don't understand.

I suppose I should just let it go, as Eli Manning is pretty much in the same shoes that Rex Grossman was last year, and I've never defended Rex Grossman in my life. I dunno. Maybe I feel bad for Eli in a way. I really shouldn't. He's about to play in the Super Bowl, and he makes millions of dollars a year. I'm sitting here at work with coal dust on my hands. I don't think he needs me.

I don't think Eli is a terrible QB. In fact, with another year or two he could be a top 10 or even top 5 QB in the NFL. My problem is his attitude. I am not a Chargers fan, but what he did to them is indicative of today's professional athlete: spoiled and thinks the world owes them something. Manning is nowhere near the level of Rex Grossman. Grossman is terrible and should be parking cars somewhere instead of being paid the money he is being paid to play football.

[Lathum]

Are we talking about team accomplishments or individual ones? Because I'm quite sure Eli's defense probably had a role in some of that. Especially considering the fact that the Giants were 21st in the league in passing.

sure but to say he didn't have a huge effect on that is silly. Not to mention he played hurt the first few games.

Obviously football is a team sport but to bash Eli makes no sense. Everyone loves Carson Palmer but what has he ever done?

[Lathum]

My problem is his attitude. I am not a Chargers fan, but what he did to them is indicative of today's professional athlete: spoiled and thinks the world owes them something. .

Like you never did something in your proffesianal life when you were 22 and naive?

Where were you last year when Rivers was tearing it up and the chargers were 14-2?

Jesus christ, move on already.

[RomaGoth]

I think fair criticism is that he is timid & scared to get hit(i.e. a pussy)...that he is inaccurate on medium range passes(i.e. not focused or disciplined)... that he doesnt seem to possess leadership attributes (i.e. taking charge & keeping his players accountable for their f-ups)...and being emotionless win or lose(i.e. losing does not seem to bother him enough).

Huh. If you take away all of the above what do you have left? A QB who makes millions of dollars but can't throw the ball, is unable to lead his team, and doesn't care if he wins or not. Huh.

Nice pick in the first round, Giants. ;)

[RomaGoth]

In his first four seasons Eli had 77tds and 64 ints and an average rating of 70.55 in 57 starts.

Troy Aikman had 54 td's and 60 int's with an average rating of 74.625 in 54 starts.

I am IN NO WAY saying Eli is a better QB then Aikman but he is only in his 4th year for christs sake. His numbers aren't that bad and he has gotten better each year and turned into more of a leader on and off the field.

He led them to 3 consecutive playoff apearances and now to the super bowl in his first 4 years, how many QB's can say that?

People really need to let go of something a naive 22 year old kid pulled 4 years ago at his fathers urging. This guy is a model citizen and has developed into a winner and a leader.

I never liked Aikman or the Cowboys, but Aikman played on some horrid teams before they finally turned the corner under Jimmy Johnson. The jury is still out for Eli, but at this point I would call him a disappointment. You have to be better than he has been when you are a 1st rounder and make that kind of money. Bottom line.

[ISiddiqui]

sure but to say he didn't have a huge effect on that is silly. Not to mention he played hurt the first few games.

Obviously football is a team sport but to bash Eli makes no sense. Everyone loves Carson Palmer but what has he ever done?

Well Palmer's QB ratings speak for themselves really. Eli can't even compete (his highest rating 77.0 last season). Sure he's got a better team around him, but does that necessarily make him a better QB?

[RomaGoth]

Like you never did something in your proffesianal life when you were 22 and naive?

I might have, but I sure as hell wasn't making millions of dollars and insulting an entire fan base.

Where were you last year when Rivers was tearing it up and the chargers were 14-2?

Don't care. Not a Chargers fan. This was not about Rivers anyway. Or was it? ;)

[jeheinz72]

As much as I'd love the Giants to, by some miracle or miracles keep the '72 Fins as the only undefeated team, I'm pretty resigned that it's not happening. Looking at all of the facets of the game, I'd give the Giants the advantage in what, maybe 2 or 3 of them (Pass rush, maybe running game and like Punter) and the Pats have a gigantic advantage in most facets (Brady, coaching even though I hate He Who Shall Not Be Named, receivers, defensive backfield, kicker...)

It's going to be like 33-14 or some such.

No disrespect to the Giants or Eli. Great run getting to the Super Bowl, but it just...isn't...happening.

[SteveMax58]

Huh. If you take away all of the above what do you have left? A QB who makes millions of dollars but can't throw the ball, is unable to lead his team, and doesn't care if he wins or not. Huh.

Nice pick in the first round, Giants. ;)

It's called fair criticism, not pulling things out of a hat like "whiny" or "crybaby", which make no sense no matter who's brother he is, or what team he used his draft stock to go to for his own perceived "better situation". Unless you are a Chargers fan, I dont see how you could still have that opinion of him, unless you have not seriously watched him.

All of those points I made are not necessarily the end all about Eli, but they are debatable and much more accurate than just inventing things to criticize him for. Moreso...even if they were all 100% the case...it isnt like he cant or wont improve in those areas.

Also...for the record...that year my choice for the Giants was to draft Roethlisberger. When they drafted Rivers I about puked. When they traded Rivers for Manning, I didnt like them giving away their 1st pick for the following year(SD would have taken Osi instead, still not ok), but it was(and I still say) better to have Eli than Rivers playing for the Giants. So, I'd say my criticism isnt so much that they got Manning, but that they didnt play hardball with San Diego or just draft Big Ben.

[Atocep]

I just skimmed through this thread, but are Giants fans now defending Eli Manning?

[RomaGoth]

It's called fair criticism, not pulling things out of a hat like "whiny" or "crybaby", which make no sense no matter who's brother he is, or what team he used his draft stock to go to for his own perceived "better situation". Unless you are a Chargers fan, I dont see how you could still have that opinion of him, unless you have not seriously watched him.

All of those points I made are not necessarily the end all about Eli, but they are debatable and much more accurate than just inventing things to criticize him for. Moreso...even if they were all 100% the case...it isnt like he cant or wont improve in those areas.

Also...for the record...that year my choice for the Giants was to draft Roethlisberger. When they drafted Rivers I about puked. When they traded Rivers for Manning, I didnt like them giving away their 1st pick for the following year(SD would have taken Osi instead, still not ok), but it was(and I still say) better to have Eli than Rivers playing for the Giants. So, I'd say my criticism isnt so much that they got Manning, but that they didnt play hardball with San Diego or just draft Big Ben.

Hypothetical question: do you think that Eli would play injured like Rivers did this past weekend?

I don't.

[RomaGoth]

I just skimmed through this thread, but are Giants fans now defending Eli Manning?

Yes.

[SteveMax58]

Hypothetical question: do you think that Eli would play injured like Rivers did this past weekend?

I don't.

he did...week 2 vs. Green Bay. Not the same injury, but Eli's was actually on his throwing arm.

Do I think he is as tough as Favre, smart as Peyton, and smooth as Brady? Nope. But then, he never held that type of potential in my eyes.

Would I rather have Eli over Rivers? Yes...and I believed that last year as well. Believe me...I have had a lot of criticism for Eli, but I have never once wished we had Rivers.

[SteveMax58]

I just skimmed through this thread, but are Giants fans now defending Eli Manning?

It's funny...I have actually never defended Eli before now. I guess it's the whiny or crying type of comments(not just from RomaGoth either) that I find silly.

Plenty to scrutinize with Eli, without making stuff up.

[Pumpy Tudors]

I just skimmed through this thread, but are Giants fans now defending Eli Manning?
To be fair, it actually started when a Broncos fan defended Eli Manning.

[RomaGoth]

It's funny...I have actually never defended Eli before now. I guess it's the whiny or crying type of comments(not just from RomaGoth either) that I find silly.

Plenty to scrutinize with Eli, without making stuff up.

Who is making stuff up? Everytime I see him during a game he is whining. To the refs, to the other team, to his teammates. Always whining. It started on draft day and has never stopped. He may turn into a decent QB, but right now he is just a whiny overpaid player IMHO.

Part of this is because I am so tired of hearing about the Manning's all the damn time too. Peyton this. Eli that. It gets old.

[st.cronin]

There has been some absurd criticism of Eli over the years. I definitely think he's a top 10 qb.

[Izulde]

There has been some absurd criticism of Eli over the years. I definitely think he's a top 10 qb.

Can I borrow some of that crack you're smoking?

[Lathum]

Who is making stuff up? Everytime I see him during a game he is whining. To the refs, to the other team, to his teammates. Always whining.



How do you find anytime to watch him when you have 17 other favorite teams to watch

[SteveMax58]

Who is making stuff up? Everytime I see him during a game he is whining. To the refs, to the other team, to his teammates. Always whining. It started on draft day and has never stopped. He may turn into a decent QB, but right now he is just a whiny overpaid player IMHO.

Could you please tell me your definition of "whining"? And next, tell me how many QB's do NOT fall into that definition. It honestly does not sound like you've ever watched Eli play.


Part of this is because I am so tired of hearing about the Manning's all the damn time too. Peyton this. Eli that. It gets old.

I'll agree that they get a lot of airtime, but much of that is the dam commercials. But it isn't all that common to have 2 brothers starting at QB(one of which is arguably top 5 alltime), both of which were 1-1 draft picks, & playing for good teams. It's the media's wetdream.

[RomaGoth]

Can I borrow some of that crack you're smoking?

LOL. But seriously, borrowing implies that you plan on returning said item at a future time. Who the hell wants used crack???? :D

[RomaGoth]

Could you please tell me your definition of "whining"? And next, tell me how many QB's do NOT fall into that definition. It honestly does not sound like you've ever watched Eli play.


I'll agree that they get a lot of airtime, but much of that is the dam commercials. But it isn't all that common to have 2 brothers starting at QB(one of which is arguably top 5 alltime), both of which were 1-1 draft picks, & playing for good teams. It's the media's wetdream.

Agreed.

[RomaGoth]

How do you find anytime to watch him when you have 17 other favorite teams to watch

Ha. Not quite.

[Lathum]

I never liked Aikman or the Cowboys, but Aikman played on some horrid teams before they finally turned the corner under Jimmy Johnson. The jury is still out for Eli, but at this point I would call him a disappointment. You have to be better than he has been when you are a 1st rounder and make that kind of money. Bottom line.

Dude, you are insane.

The guys made the playoffs 3 of 4 years including going to the Superbowl this year, how can you say he needs to be better?alot of guys put up better numbers but he did what Tony Romo, Brett Favre, and Matt Hasselbeck couldn't do?

Seriously, what more do you want from him, the goal is to win championships, not put up 4,000 yard seasons, John Kitna can do that for fucks sake but John Kitna can't lead the Giants to the Superbowl.

[RomaGoth]

Dude, you are insane.

The guys made the playoffs 3 of 4 years including going to the Superbowl this year, how can you say he needs to be better?alot of guys put up better numbers but he did what Tony Romo, Brett Favre, and Matt Hasselbeck couldn't do?

Seriously, what more do you want from him, the goal is to win championships, not put up 4,000 yard seasons, John Kitna can do that for fucks sake but John Kitna can't lead the Giants to the Superbowl.

My insanity is another topic for another time. Are you seriously comparing Eli Manning to Brett Favre? That is absurd. Favre has actually won a super bowl. Matt Hasselbeck is overrated, maybe a top 15 QB but no better than that. Tony Romo has done nothing yet.

Romo was not drafted, Favre was a 2nd rounder, and Hasselbeck was a 6th rounder. None of them (besides maybe Favre) compare to Manning in regards to money/draft position/expectations.

Just saying'.

[Lathum]

No, I am not comparing them. IT IS A FACT that he did what none of those guys could do this year. And who really cares where he was drafted, he is in the league now.

Again I ask you, what more would you like Manning to do?

[Atocep]

I throw out my opinion of Eli.

I'm a Bears fan and for the past 2 years, even when Rex was looking like a MVP candidate last year, I've been telling a friend of mine (also a bears fan) that I would take Eli over any Bears QB without hesitation. Yes, that sounds pretty damn obvious now, but last year and even earlier this year that wasn't the case.

I strongly believe that Coughlin has held Eli back and is at fault for his lack of development. Also, prior to Plaxico breaking out this year, his receivers have been horrible. I don't know what has gotten into Burress this year, but he's played a lot better (especially in the 2nd half of the season and the playoffs) and its been a huge help to Eli.

There's no excuse for his completion percentage to be as low as it has been as a pro (thats the #1 thing killing his QB rating). He completed over 60% of his passes at Ole Miss and that should translate a lot better than it has. Put Eli in a more creative offense and I think you're looking at a top-10ish QB, because the talent is there.

[Lathum]

Fair assesment.

I think once Steve Smith develops more he will be a big boost to Manning

[st.cronin]

I throw out my opinion of Eli.

I'm a Bears fan and for the past 2 years, even when Rex was looking like a MVP candidate last year, I've been telling a friend of mine (also a bears fan) that I would take Eli over any Bears QB without hesitation. Yes, that sounds pretty damn obvious now

I think it was perfectly obvious even last year. The praise that Grossman gets at times is as absurd as the criticism that Eli gets - Eli is vastly better than Grossman.

[ISiddiqui]

Seriously, what more do you want from him, the goal is to win championships, not put up 4,000 yard seasons, John Kitna can do that for fucks sake but John Kitna can't lead the Giants to the Superbowl.

If you give Kitna that running game and defense, how do you know he wouldn't?

I mean for the love of God, Kerry Collins led his team to the SuperBowl and went to the playoffs 2 out of 3 years from 2000 to 2002, and had better passer ratings than Eli Manning.

[SteveMax58]

I throw out my opinion of Eli.

I'm a Bears fan and for the past 2 years, even when Rex was looking like a MVP candidate last year, I've been telling a friend of mine (also a bears fan) that I would take Eli over any Bears QB without hesitation. Yes, that sounds pretty damn obvious now, but last year and even earlier this year that wasn't the case.

I would have agreed with you.

I strongly believe that Coughlin has held Eli back and is at fault for his lack of development. Also, prior to Plaxico breaking out this year, his receivers have been horrible. I don't know what has gotten into Burress this year, but he's played a lot better (especially in the 2nd half of the season and the playoffs) and its been a huge help to Eli.

I think thats pretty accurate. Couple that with, what I believe to be the main problem with Eli earlier this year, which is standing strong in the pocklet & his mechanics.

There's no excuse for his completion percentage to be as low as it has been as a pro (thats the #1 thing killing his QB rating). He completed over 60% of his passes at Ole Miss and that should translate a lot better than it has. Put Eli in a more creative offense and I think you're looking at a top-10ish QB, because the talent is there.

I do agree that his comp% could be better, but consider the following when looking at his comp%, and in comparison to some other non- West Coast style QB's:
John Elway had a >60% completion just 3 times in his career...and none until after 10 seasons. He also only had just 1 season >80 QB rating in those first 10 seasons. This of course includes his 3 SB losses. His final 6 seasons, however, all over 80(and of course 2 SB victories).

Dan Marino had just 5 >60% completion in his entire career. And just 2 in his first 10 seasons. It is worth noting that Dan had just 1 <80 QB Rating in this time...as without a running game he clearly had to pass for TD's.

Terry Bradshaw never had a comp% >60% and had just 2 >80 QB rating seasons in his first 11 seasons. This timespan included every SB victory he had for the Steelers.


I'm not pretending that Eli is comparable to these guys(and perhaps never will), and there are differring circumstances behind each of these QB's which made them great. I guess I'm just saying that 90 QB ratings & 60% completions are not the end all stats of measurement.

[sabotai]

I am not a Chargers fan, but what he did to them is indicative of today's professional athlete: spoiled and thinks the world owes them something.

Like John Elway?

I don't know how long you've been paying attention to football, or sports in general, but if you think refusing to play for the team that drafts you is some kind of new trend among spoiled athletes, you are seriously mistaken.

[molson]

Andrea Kramer wants it from Tom Brady.

Subtle, but pretty funny - watch Kramer's face closely at the end of the clip, and then check out Tom's reaction.

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[sabotai]

There has been some absurd criticism of Eli over the years. I definitely think he's a top 10 qb.

People laugh when someone says Eli is a top 10 QB (like Izulde did in reponse to you), but I am wondering what 10 QBs people think are so far and away better than Eli that they think the above comment is insane.

[sabotai]

Andrea Kramer wants it from Tom Brady.

Subtle, but pretty funny - watch Kramer's face closely at the end of the clip, and then check out Tom's reaction.

Haha, that actually wasn't all that subtle. She gave him a serious "I want you to fuck me" look.

[Alan T]

People laugh when someone says Eli is a top 10 QB (like Izulde did in reponse to you), but I am wondering what 10 QBs people think are so far and away better than Eli that they think the above comment is insane.

I am not really an Eli hater, I am a bit tired of hearing about the Manning family the past however many years, but balance that with being tired of hearing about how good the Patriots are the past 7 years too and it balances out.

As for a top 10 QB or not.. I would say the following QB are definitly better, no question:

Brady
Peyton Manning
Roethlisberger
Favre
Hasselbeck
Brees
Palmer


There is another group of QBs that I would say edge Eli even though some arguement may be made, I would still pick them over Eli:

McNabb
Garcia


Then a group of QBs that so far look better than Eli, but are too new for me to know for sure, but right now I would also pick them over Eli:

Garrard
Romo
Cutler
Anderson.


Finally the next group are QBs that I feel are pretty comparible to Eli, maybe I would pick Eli over them, maybe not:

Eli Manning
Warner
Schaub
Kitna


So I guess my own personal thoughts put Eli closer to top 15, or about middle of the pack as far as QB goes moreso than top 10. Of course, who knows maybe he will continue to improve the next few years, we have seen that before. Obviously the strength of the Giants is not Eli, it is their pass rush and their running game. They really need Eli to take a page from Dilfer and simply not lose the game for the Giants. Against the Pats, any mistake could ruin their chances to win. I thought he did really well last time vs the Pats for most of the game, he will need to at least replicate that if not improve upon it.

[Groundhog]

The praise for Eli so far this postseason has been that he basically hasn't screwed up like he usually does. This is not really high praise.

I'd say he has as good a chance as any of moving up in to the top-10 at some point over the years to come, but right now the Giants will be expecting to get more from their D and running game than their QB.

[stevew]

I am not really an Eli hater, I am a bit tired of hearing about the Manning family the past however many years, but balance that with being tired of hearing about how good the Patriots are the past 7 years too and it balances out.

As for a top 10 QB or not.. I would say the following QB are definitly better, no question:

Brady
Peyton Manning
Roethlisberger
Favre
Hasselbeck
Brees
Palmer


There is another group of QBs that I would say edge Eli even though some arguement may be made, I would still pick them over Eli:

McNabb
Garcia


Then a group of QBs that so far look better than Eli, but are too new for me to know for sure, but right now I would also pick them over Eli:

Garrard
Romo
Cutler
Anderson.


Finally the next group are QBs that I feel are pretty comparible to Eli, maybe I would pick Eli over them, maybe not:

Eli Manning
Warner
Schaub
Kitna


So I guess my own personal thoughts put Eli closer to top 15, or about middle of the pack as far as QB goes moreso than top 10. Of course, who knows maybe he will continue to improve the next few years, we have seen that before. Obviously the strength of the Giants is not Eli, it is their pass rush and their running game. They really need Eli to take a page from Dilfer and simply not lose the game for the Giants. Against the Pats, any mistake could ruin their chances to win. I thought he did really well last time vs the Pats for most of the game, he will need to at least replicate that if not improve upon it.

You forgot Rivers. I'd say he's in there somewhere too above Eli.

[stevew]

There has been some absurd criticism of Eli over the years. I definitely think he's a top 10 qb.

Pass the crack pipe please.

Brady
Manning
Roethlisberger
Favre
Romo
McNabb
Rivers
Hasselbeck
Anderson
Palmer
Brees

That's 11 I take right off the bat, and guys like Gerrard, Garcia, Cutler, Warner, and Bulger still are probably better any given sunday as well.

[st.cronin]

Pass the crack pipe please.

Brady
Manning
Roethlisberger
Favre
Romo
McNabb
Rivers
Hasselbeck
Anderson
Palmer
Brees

That's 11 I take right off the bat, and guys like Gerrard, Garcia, Cutler, Warner, and Bulger still are probably better any given sunday as well.

Some of those guys I can see, but Rivers? Anderson? There is no way you can put either one of them even with Eli at this point.

[stevew]

Some of those guys I can see, but Rivers? Anderson? There is no way you can put either one of them even with Eli at this point.

Dude, if his name was Eli Jenkins, most of the hype would be gone. Anderson's numbers this year are ones that Eli would dream of. Rivers' numbers as well.

I'll proclaim my manlove for Eli if he can slay the dragon next weekend, however.

[Rizon]

This has quickly turned into one of the worst SB threads of all time.

[Alan T]

You forgot Rivers. I'd say he's in there somewhere too above Eli.


Yeah, I meant to put Rivers in the group with Romo..

[Atocep]

Dude, if his name was Eli Jenkins, most of the hype would be gone. Anderson's numbers this year are ones that Eli would dream of. Rivers' numbers as well.

I'll proclaim my manlove for Eli if he can slay the dragon next weekend, however.

Derek Anderson is going to have to do more before I put him above Eli. I'd say they're fairly even at this point. Anderson completed just 56.5% of his passes and threw 19ints this year. His QB rating was a very average 82.5. Also, in his last 5 games (as teams got more film on him and were able to prepare for his strengths) his QB ratings were: 71.6, 81.3, 57.1, 53.4, and 75.4

IMO, if you were to swap the two players Eli would be able to better the numbers Anderson put up this year and Anderson would put up numbers similar to Eli's.

[stevew]

Agreed about Anderson going downhill at the end. Being forced to watch the Browns weekly, he did have some pretty good performances this year. He throws too many interceptions, but I wonder how much of it was him pressing to make plays, knowing their defense was bullshit.

[SteveMax58]

Agreed about Anderson going downhill at the end. Being forced to watch the Browns weekly, he did have some pretty good performances this year. He throws too many interceptions, but I wonder how much of it was him pressing to make plays, knowing their defense was bullshit.

Well you could argue this same point for Eli the last 3 years as well.

I agree with many of your QB's which rank ahead of Eli at this point...but as far as who I'd rather have right now...I think it comes down to you either think Eli will continue to progress as he has been showing or you think you've seen the best he's got and that he's playing above his head the last few weeks. Time will tell.

[Pumpy Tudors]

This has quickly turned into one of the worst SB threads of all time.
And we still have 11 more days until the game!

[rkmsuf]

Andrea Kramer wants it from Tom Brady.

Subtle, but pretty funny - watch Kramer's face closely at the end of the clip, and then check out Tom's reaction.



hahahahahaha

oh man, she's in heat

[ISiddiqui]

The praise for Eli so far this postseason has been that he basically hasn't screwed up like he usually does. This is not really high praise.

LOL, yep. All the great press for Eli this postseason has been, basically, he didn't completely fuck up, yay!! How that makes him, now, a Top 10 QB, I'm not sure.

[larrymcg421]

Eli has a 99.2 QB rating this postseason. I'd say that's a little bit better than just "not screwing up." If it was anybody other than Eli, no one would be making that same statement. You want to use the stats to backup why he's bad before, then don't ignore the ones that show how good he is now.

[Groundhog]

Eli has a 99.2 QB rating this postseason. I'd say that's a little bit better than just "not screwing up." If it was anybody other than Eli, no one would be making that same statement. You want to use the stats to backup why he's bad before, then don't ignore the ones that show how good he is now.

OK, well lets look at his performances then.

Last week, against the Colts, 251 yards (good), 21/40 cp (not good), 0TD-0INT (well, at least he didn't screw up!). I admit that I didn't actually watch this game (was at work), but this to me classifies as "not screwing up".

Divisional playoffs week, against Dallas. 163 yards (ok), 12/18 cp (good % on few attempts), 2TD-0INT (solid). Better showing here, but you'd struggle to assign a lot of the credit to Eli for this win. Giants D was the winner in this one, but Eli does deserves some credit for doing more than just "not screwing up" in their limited use of the passing attack.

Wild Card Weekend, against Buccaneers. 185 yards (ok), 20/27 cp (solid), 2TD-0INT (solid). His best game of the postseason IMO. Nothing dazzling, but he completed on a couple of redzone TDs and did just enough to give his team the win. Not HoF numbers, but obviously better than just "not screwing up".

After this indepth and expert analysis, I'm willing to upgrade my comment to "...he basically has played above average in the postseason". ;)

[molson]

And we have our official Super Bowl guarantee. Not only that, but Plaxico Burress has given us a score too: 23-17 Giants.

I wonder if this moves the spread any :)

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080130/ap_on_sp_fo_ne/fbn_super_bowl_plax_s_prediction

[Groundhog]

If you are going to predict a win, it might as well be for the superbowl. It'd be a bit of a surprise to me if we saw just a combined 4 TDs scored in this game however. NY will probably need that just by themselves to go with a few FGs if they want to win this game.

[st.cronin]

I can't believe how stoked I am for this game.

[SteveMax58]

And we have our official Super Bowl guarantee. Not only that, but Plaxico Burress has given us a score too: 23-17 Giants.

I wonder if this moves the spread any :)

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080130/ap_on_sp_fo_ne/fbn_super_bowl_plax_s_prediction

I think if the Giants pull it off...that score looks about right. The Giants will have to play (by far) their best defensive game of the year to win. It obviously is not to their advantage to play in a shootout...as the Pats are much better, and much smarter in terms of clock management, to lose that type of game.

[Groundhog]

I can't believe how stoked I am for this game.

Me neither. I was really hoping for a Green Bay-Pats superbowl, but I'm shocked how excited I am for it even now, considering how one-sided it looks on paper.

My girlfriend is from NY and she's pretty excited about it, so I think that's rubbed off on me.

[molson]

I think if the Giants pull it off...that score looks about right. The Giants will have to play (by far) their best defensive game of the year to win. It obviously is not to their advantage to play in a shootout...as the Pats are much better, and much smarter in terms of clock management, to lose that type of game.

I think the opposite - the Giants have a better chance of scoring 40 in this game than holding the Pats to 17.

They need to pretty much score at will (which isn't impossible against the Pats), and force a couple of TOs.

I'm not sure I ever understood the "you don't want this game to be a shootout" strategy when you're playing a high scoring team. That's exactly what you want to do - score a ton of points, not play all conservative and give the favorite a huge margin of error. If Manning goes nuts and throws for 4 TDs, they have a chance. If he has a steady but unspectacular game where "he doesn't make any mistakes", they're going to be close for a while and then lose.

[Rizon]

For the first time ever, I forgot the SB was on this weekend. I'm more excited for the food, which should be 500x better than this shitfest that is trying to pass for a game.

[SteveMax58]

I think the opposite - the Giants have a better chance of scoring 40 in this game than holding the Pats to 17.

They need to pretty much score at will (which isn't impossible against the Pats), and force a couple of TOs.

I'm not sure I ever understood the "you don't want this game to be a shootout" strategy when you're playing a high scoring team. That's exactly what you want to do - score a ton of points, not play all conservative and give the favorite a huge margin of error. If Manning goes nuts and throws for 4 TDs, they have a chance. If he has a steady but unspectacular game where "he doesn't make any mistakes", they're going to be close for a while and then lose.

I think you might be right about the approach for the Giants offense, and about not being too conservative(namely if they have another lead in the 3rd or 4th qtr). But I'm not as worried about Eli making plays as I am about Brady making more plays and/or managing the clock better down the stretch.

I guess my only point was that I think the Giants defense will be the key to this game(for the Giants to win). And their ability to pressure Brady & force TO's will be key, as there most likely wont be any easy picks to be made.

I also think a lot of people might be discounting what I think (FWIW) should be an outstanding, physical game. Yeah...the Pats should win on paper, but they should beat everybody on paper. I really dont see a better SB matchup for them, outside of maybe a sharper Dallas squad.

[watravaler]

Just like Grossman last year, the national opinion of Eli will be shaped by his performance in this game. I think he steps up, but time will tell. That Kramer-Brady video is priceless, it's obvious they shared a night that I can only assume Brady wants to forget!

[SirFozzie]

Just a bit of Super Bowl trivia:

I have a friend who is more deep into stats then I ever could be (and that's saying something. But Super Bowl 42 will be a first ever experience.

It will be the first time ever that two teams play each other in their respective final games of preseason (Pats won 27-20), regular season (Pats won 38-35), and post season (Unknown).

[Dr. Sak]

One other Super Bowl stat...


There's Never Been A Super Bowl Without A Big 33 Alumni. The Big 33 is a High School All Star game that has a team from Pennsylvania play a team from states such as Ohio, Maryland, and Texas. At least one former BIG 33 player has appeared in every Super Bowl game ever played.

Here is the list (http://www.big33.org/superbowlalumni.htm)

[rkmsuf]

I thought The Big 33 was a McDonalds hamburger. Loved those back in the day. I would eat them silly I tell you.

[Lathum]

ahem, Jeebs.

You still owe me something...

[VPI97]

Amusing story for Pats fans...Giants RB Ahmad Bradshaw is a family friend and while I've only met him a handful of times (when he would go with my parents to VT games in high school), he's called my dad around once a week since he went off to college. Anyway, my kids were up in Virginia with my mom and dad last week and Ahmad called. Evan (my six year old) got on the phone with him and when Ahmad told him that he would send him a Giants jersey so he could wear it during the Super Bowl, Evan told him no...and that he was rooting for Tom Brady and the Patriots.

[Rizon]

Is the Superbowl this sunday or next sunday? I forgot.

[molson]

Is the Superbowl this sunday or next sunday? I forgot.

Next Sunday.

(Hopefully that'll keep your tired shtick out of the thread until then)

[Cringer]

Wow, even showing where the Superbowl is and first "picture" of the stadium at the begining of the pregame show was sponsored, shown with google earth.

They shouldn't have told me about all the super fabulous stars that are coming up though. Now I am turning off the pregame show. Time to get a little Mass Effect in before I turn on Puppy Bowl IV for the daughter.

[k0ruptr]

Go Excellent and well fought game!

[MikeVic]

Haha, I'm watching a sports station here (thescore), and they're airing some Sirius show they have. One of the guys is talking about something, and I'm not sure what actually... but then all of a sudden I hear "fuck *beep* something something."

Just found that funny. Must be live, and the beep came one word too late.

[Lathum]

Leaving in a couple of minutes for the bar.

GO GIANTS

[MJ4H]

Our local FOX affiliate is OFF-AIR DUE TO TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES and has been for the last 45 minutes to an hour. This will be truly hilarious if it is not back on soon. It would be entertaining to see a tv station BURNED TO THE GROUND and then see grown men pissing on the ashes. I will try to bring you video.

[SteveMax58]

Leaving in a couple of minutes for the bar.

GO GIANTS


+1

LET's go BIG BLUE!!!!!

[SirFozzie]

All ABOARD THE UNDEFEATED CRAZY TRAIN!

I am hyped up

[Eaglesfan27]

Nice to see that Jordin didn't try to do too much with the National Anthem and just sang it really beautifully.

[SirFozzie]

Knew I should've taken the over on the prop bet for anthem length (1:42)

[Buccaneer]

Don't know what you guys are anticipating but I Am Legend has already given us the results of the game.

[SirFozzie]

BTW, anybody else doing the AirPlay Call the Play competition?

[Eaglesfan27]

No sign of happy feet from Eli that play.

[Radii]

GO GO GIANTS(I still can't believe that eli manning is in a super bowl, and that I'm rooting for him).

[Noop]

Don't know what you guys are anticipating but I Am Legend has already given us the results of the game.

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Your right. 23-7 Pats how crazy is that?

[SirFozzie]

Oh geez, that's not good.

[SirFozzie]

Sheesh. Good throw by Eli on 3rd and Happy Feet.

[SirFozzie]

Well that's a nine minute drive, good for whoever took the under.

[SirFozzie]

Ok, that's the first commercial that made me laugh. (Pepsi Ginseng)

[SirFozzie]

BONEY MARONEY!

[Radii]

brady getting pressured on the first play is a good sign at least.

[k0ruptr]

I think theres gonna be blood by the end of this thing.

[SirFozzie]

brady getting pressured on the first play is a good sign at least.


That's the only play so far they've had pressure. Keep it up line!

[SirFozzie]

Obvious call.

[molson]

FGs for TDs.

[Buccaneer]

At this rate, it'll be a 2 hour game and a 2 hour halftime.

[k0ruptr]

i think that has to be the quickest first quarter in superbowl history.

[Noop]

Giants need to score TDs instead of FGs. I don't want to say its game now but watching the ease of that drive has me feeling that way.

[molson]

Giants need to score TDs instead of FGs. I don't want to say its game now but watching the ease of that drive has me feeling that way.

Definitely. The Pats D is extremely vulnerable - every drive that ends only with a FG is a failure. The Giants are going to get outscored unless they put up TDs from here on out.

[k0ruptr]

ROFL watching the sky sports stream is hilarious.

[Eaglesfan27]

Wow. Manning is a bit lucky there as he left that up there for a long time.

Edit: Nevermind, Toomer helped him out with that push.

[Radii]

great catch.

[molson]

Great catch (but if that was Moss pushing off on the face like that the reaction would be different here)

[Radii]

Wow. Manning is a bit lucky there as he left that up there for a long time.

Edit: Nevermind, Toomer helped him out with that push.


if it got intercepted its the same as a punt, so its not too bad a decision.

[SirFozzie]

Happy Feet Eli!

[Eaglesfan27]

Darn. Giants can't afford those types of unlucky breaks.

[Radii]

gotta catch that pass, buddy. Crap.

[SirFozzie]

Best. Commercial. EVER.

[Noop]

There is no denying that New England is just meant to win this Super Bowl, I don't think I have ever seen such a charmed team like these current Patriots.

Maybe the 2001-2002 Ohio State Buckeyes.

[k0ruptr]

The european car commercials are the shit.

[Noop]

Happy Feet Eli!

I wouldn't put that on Eli.

[Radii]

There is no denying that New England is just meant to win this Super Bowl, I don't think I have ever seen such a charmed team like these current Patriots.

eh, i know what you're saying, but the best teams are always in the right place to take advantage of the bad break, and aren't making the small mistakes that give the other team the chance to create their own good luck.

[molson]

Great stop for the Giants, puzzling play-calling by the Pats - I was sure they'd be throwing it all over the field.

[Buccaneer]

That wasn't the time for the Pats to go all conservative.

[Eaglesfan27]

I wouldn't put that on Eli.

Yeah, you can't blame him for his receiver not catching a catchable ball.

[SirFozzie]

They stole it in the pile. :p

[Noop]

Bradshaw is really killing them.

[molson]

Is that reviewable? Guess not.

[k0ruptr]

giants looking like shit.

[Buccaneer]

I was in the kitchen when I heard my son and my wife laughing very hard - it was the dancing lizards.

[SirFozzie]

ow. apparently word has come down from the NFL "WE NEED MORE BREAKS FOR COMMERCIALS!"

[Radii]

great defensive stop there for the giants.

[Eaglesfan27]

giants looking like shit.

Not defensively. This game certainly is getting more interesting as it moves along. So far the Giant's defense has been successful on 66% of their defensive stands, which is excellent against the Pats.

[Eaglesfan27]

I was in the kitchen when I heard my son and my wife laughing very hard - it was the dancing lizards.


Yeah, I think that one will be big with kids. None that have really made me laugh, yet.

[k0ruptr]

Not defensively. This game certainly is getting more interesting as it moves along. So far the Giant's defense has been successful on 66% of their defensive stands, which is excellent against the Pats.

yea absolutely i meant offensively. Giants D FTW!

[k0ruptr]

soon someone is going to break that 60+ yard TD that always happens in the superbowl.

[SnowMan]

That was....odd

[SirFozzie]

Wow. That was the Old Eli throwing there.

[k0ruptr]

Bradshaw seems like a smart player .

[molson]

Pats need a score before halftime. They've outplayed the Giants by more than 4 points.

[SirFozzie]

Ok line, enough is enough.

[k0ruptr]

is there something wrong with troy aikman's hair?

[SnowMan]

He's no Steve Young, that's for sure.

[SirFozzie]

Um.. must be the angle of me to TV, but where was the hold?

[k0ruptr]

The Giants are really giving it everything they can, I really hope they dont get blown out in the 2nd half.

[SirFozzie]

Fuck. That's two "Battles in the Pile" the Giants have won

[SnowMan]

So who picked 7-3 at halftime...that's nuts.

[k0ruptr]

Brady's gonna need some good loving after this game is over.

[molson]

Brady's gonna need some good loving after this game is over.

Somehow I think he'll be all set there.

[Buccaneer]

Rough half for Brady. I think they'll going to have to go with quick outs or slants in the 2nd half.

[k0ruptr]

I really love defensive Superbowls. cheers to a good game!

[JonInMiddleGA]

That Comcast spot was creepy.

[Cringer]

Great game so far. Though I have a feeling I will be feeling real bad for the Giants defense at the end. I hope not, I find myself rooting for them even though everytime the Packer game is brought up I get pissed.

[Eaglesfan27]

I really love defensive Superbowls. cheers to a good game!

Agreed. I'm just happy that it is a close competitive game.

[Cringer]

BTW, am I the only one who is getting a bunch of on screen text during commercials and FOX promos that run off the edge? Mainly the left edge.

I have a 53" widescreen TV, and it doesn't matter what aspect I put the TV on it is happening. Kind of bugs me.

[Karlifornia]

Is this board more dead than usual for a Super Bowl, or is this about the norm?

[Cringer]

Is this board more dead than usual for a Super Bowl, or is this about the norm?

It usually is pretty dead around here when something big is going on, whether that something is a holiday or a game.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Oh snap! on the Bears

[Galaril]

God, they dusted off the Tom Petty and heartbreakers SB show? I like Petty but come on he is 57 and has had like two albums in the last decade.

[Buccaneer]

It usually is pretty dead around here when something big is going on, whether that something is a holiday or a game.

Just wait till after the game. There's usually more post-game posts than game-time posts.

[Mustang]

Maybe this will be like that NE/Carolina game where there was nothing and then tons of points.

Hopefully Tom Petty doesn't show his nipples though.

[SirFozzie]

This is not good to my eyes. The Pats have been able to do what they wanted all year because of the protection, and that's just not happening yet.

[MJ4H]

I'd just like to say that my local FOX affiliate JUST NOW came back on the air. Everyone in this area with DISH network or Direct TV just missed the entire first half of the Super Bowl. Apparently, the people with cable were able to see it.

What a fucking joke.

[Karlifornia]

Anyhoo, good first half from a competitive standpoint. If the Giants can keep up the pass rush, they just may hang in there. The Patriots "bend, but don't break" defense is doing just that.

The commercials just get less funny every year. Maybe that's just me getting older and less entertained by thoughtless sight-gags. I always thought most that I've met that were in marketing were out of touch...these ads confirm it.

The wassup guys? The frogs? Those were all shit, too, in retrospect. Mencia? Yuck.

[Suburban Rhythm]

Um.. must be the angle of me to TV, but where was the hold?

Seriously? I assume you are talking about the Ben Watson call. He had both hands on Pierce's shoulder pads. Isn't that pretty much the text book example of of the "as long as his hands are inside, he's OK...once they get outside (on the shoulders), they'll call the hold". I was shocked Aikman or Buck didn't say it. Announcers love that.

I also thought the play with Moss on the sideline, covered by Dockery was a little odd. They both clearly came down in bounds, yet the clock was stopped and he was ruled out of bounds.

But, I won $100 in the office block pool so far (I have Pats with an '0' and Giants with a '3'). Was pulling for a NE FG for another $250 for the half.

[Desnudo]

Rough half for Brady. I think they'll going to have to go with quick outs or slants in the 2nd half.

I think he'll hit Moss or Stallworth deep at least once in the second half. The Giants were getting there just in time on a few plays.

[JonInMiddleGA]

... has had like two albums in the last decade.

4 actually, if you count the anthology in 2000.

[k0ruptr]

Tom Petty is just old.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Everyone in this area with DISH network or Direct TV just missed the entire first half of the Super Bowl.

Just highlighting the "this area" part, since we were fine here in GA.

[sterlingice]

He's looking a bit old. And the beard, not a good look. Still, good music

SI

[Karlifornia]

Just highlighting the "this area" part, since we were fine here in GA.

As was San Jose.

[Mustang]

I'd just like to say that my local FOX affiliate JUST NOW came back on the air. Everyone in this area with DISH network or Direct TV just missed the entire first half of the Super Bowl. Apparently, the people with cable were able to see it.

What a fucking joke.

Didn't miss much at least.

[sterlingice]

I'd just like to say that my local FOX affiliate JUST NOW came back on the air. Everyone in this area with DISH network or Direct TV just missed the entire first half of the Super Bowl. Apparently, the people with cable were able to see it.

What a fucking joke.

Oops. I can just see people scrambling for rabbit ears

We had an amber alert in KC. Got a couple of emergency alert system complete screen blank outs and a couple more scrolling and half screen things (think NCAA tourney) but that's understandable

SI

[Karlifornia]

Oops. I can just see people scrambling for rabbit ears

We had an amber alert in KC. Got a couple of emergency alert system complete screen blank outs and a couple more scrolling and half screen things (think NCAA tourney) but that's understandable

SI

Kidnapping during the Super Bowl....if that isn't worthy of Capital Punishment, then call me George W. Bush.

[Karlifornia]

This year's halftime show of Tom Petty is ok...Prince took balls, though....much more inspired choice.

[Buccaneer]

SPRINGDALE, Ark. -- Thousands of football fans in northwest Arkansas and far eastern Oklahoma have no idea what's happening in Super Bowl XLII on Sunday.

According to the KSTA-TV Web site (http://www.nwahomepage.com/), Super Bowl coverage on FOX 24 has been off the air since 3 p.m. Hundreds of viewers have called 40/29 News with questions and comments about the outage.

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A statement posted to nwahomepage.com reads: "Due to a technical difficulty, the air signal and some satellite services are not receiving and broadcasting the Super Bowl on Fox."

Customers of DirecTV can watch channel 700 temporarily to watch the Super Bowl. There was no word whether Dish Network customers could see the Super Bowl as of 6:30 p.m.

If this had happened in a major market...

[miami_fan]

Commentary on the halftime show

My wife just asked why they don't have the Arizona and ASU bands playing.

[MJ4H]

Rabbit ears didn't help. Only cable people got it.

[Karlifornia]

No "Mary Jane's Last Dance"?


Duuude....Party fouuuul.

[sterlingice]

I'm sure that won't appear in any cable company ads around there over the next 5 years.

SI

[JPhillips]

Halftime show was so-so, but the audio mix was one of the best I've heard for this type of "band at football game" event. I could actually hear all the instruments as well as the vocals.

[k0ruptr]

I wonder if I should go to the Pro Bowl. I always wanted to go, but now that I actually can, I dont really care that much lol.

[k0ruptr]

lol @ Tom Petty on king of the hill.

[tarcone]

The Bud commercial with the dalmatation training the clydesdale to make the team. I thought the dog was going to take the clydesdale to the Miller Lite side.
That would have been pretty good.

[Buccaneer]

So who picked 7-3 at halftime...that's nuts.

I predicted 24-21 Pats but that score is not going to happen. I think Mustang might be right in the tale of two halves.

[k0ruptr]

sweet go giants.

[Huckleberry]

As I said a month ago, the New England OL are the real MVPs of the league. Brady is like every other QB in the world. He won't have a 130 QB rating without plenty of time to throw.

The New York DL is playing out of their minds and the blitzes in the first half were nearly perfect.

So it looked good in the first half but the blitzes will get beat at some point.

[k0ruptr]

As I said a month ago, the New England OL are the real MVPs of the league. Brady is like every other QB in the world. He won't have a 130 QB rating without plenty of time to throw.

The New York DL is playing out of their minds and the blitzes in the first half were nearly perfect.

So it looked good in the first half but the blitzes will get beat at some point.

not really tho, I mean weren't they the best Dline in the league this year as far as pressure and sacks go?

[SirFozzie]

Salesgenie has wasted $5.5 million and counting.

[k0ruptr]

What the Giants are doing extremely well is not allowing any YAC.

[Cringer]

Anyone else think there are going to be people bitching about the salesgenie.com adds?

I just think someone super sensative is going to take offense to accents.

[Huckleberry]

That's true. I guess "out of their minds" isn't quite right. But as great as they are I have never seen their whole line play like this all at the same time. Tuck has played by far the best game I've seen from him.

And, as I mentioned, the blitzes have all been perfectly called. So even when the Pats' OL stuffs the DL up front there's still been pressure.

[Mustang]

Salesgenie has wasted $5.5 million and counting.

But the exposure they will get in the next week over using 2 stereotyped voices will be priceless. (One Asian, One Indian)

[SirFozzie]

Well now, this is interesting, is that a challengeable play?

EDIT: Coughlin does not look happy.

[Eaglesfan27]

The Shaq commercial has been my favorite so far.

[k0ruptr]

I never thought that was challengable.