Werewolf XIII: The Italian Village

[RPI-Fan]

I'm up for a midnight deadline.

[RPI-Fan]

Lathum: I did NOT attempt to kill you last night. Take my word for it... what are your thoughts on the situation?

[dubb93]

Lathum: I did NOT attempt to kill you last night. Take my word for it... what are your thoughts on the situation?

So now we have both lied to him...

[RPI-Fan]

So now we have both lied to him...

Why are you so quick to jump to (pretty much always wrong) assumptions?

[kingfc22]

...after all he did attempt to kill you last night, since you were my protect :)
I have a question for dubb, but I'll wait until the game is over.

[Lathum]

VOTE dubb

[dubb93]

Think about it, after my post saying I would protect myself...why on earth would Lathum still attack me? After all, I am the bodygaurd against the wolf. Why wouldn't I protect myself in that situation? Well...I had protected myself the night before and can't protect the same person 2 nights in a row so I took the gamble and it paid off. Lathum you are still a villager and can win this game.

[RPI-Fan]

VOTE dubb

This quickly blossomed into a stellar WW game, I might say.

[RPI-Fan]

Lathum: Your role says "you win if the mafia wins". The mafia will NOT win -- why would you side with dubb who has lied and lied and lied and fucked you over all game?

[Neon_Chaos]

Are we all in agreement on a 12 Midnight deadline?

[RPI-Fan]

Are we all in agreement on a 12 Midnight deadline?

Yes, I am.

[dubb93]

Yes it did, I did the only play I had, being 1 villager up against a werewolf, a mafia and a turncoat.

[dubb93]

I'm all for the midnight deadline, doesn't matter to me.

[Neon_Chaos]

Alright. Midnight it is.

VOTE DEADLINE IS AT 12:00 MIDNIGHT, TONIGHT.

[Lathum]

Lathum: Your role says "you win if the mafia wins". The mafia will NOT win -- why would you side with dubb who has lied and lied and lied and fucked you over all game?
what are you talking about. I voted for dubb?

[dubb93]

Lathum: Your role says "you win if the mafia wins". The mafia will NOT win -- why would you side with dubb who has lied and lied and lied and fucked you over all game?

It was simply a move I made. He made the move earlier and got Blade killed so it's a wash. I did get some heat off him after that move and I did protect him last night. And quite frankly all you are going to do is eat him.

[RPI-Fan]

what are you talking about. I voted for dubb?

Just wanted to make my position clear that I have NOT lied repeatedly...

[dubb93]

Just wanted to make my position clear that I have NOT lied repeatedly...

Only three times now, in post 752, 754, and now 767. You did try and attack him last night, it not an assumption, I stood gaurd over him and neither of us died. Your other option was to attack me, and I'm still here. You went to his room last night, found wolfbane at his door and could not enter.

Hell of an ally you got there Lathum ;)

[RPI-Fan]

Only three times now, in post 752, 754, and now 767. You did try and attack him last night, it not an assumption, I stood gaurd over him and neither of us died. Your other option was to attack me, and I'm still here. You went to his room last night, found wolfbane at his door and could not enter.

Hell of an ally you got there Lathum ;)

What is it with your fucking wrong assumptions in EVERY single WW game?

[Lathum]

sorry dubb. I can't trust you anymore

[dubb93]

What is it with your fucking wrong assumptions in EVERY single WW game?

Then what did you do last night?

[dubb93]

Lathum my last plea....

I know your trust in me in the last vote was misplaced but I just played the cards I was dealt. I was in a no win situation. You did the same thing earlier in the game and I had your back then. I could have just as easily said, I think Lathum is mafia, but I went after Bug there and took some heat off you.

Your two options are vote RPI and live, or vote me and be eaten by him. I'll admit, he may or may not have attacked you last night. I watched you last night and saw nothing, but I also had wolfbane set up, which wolves can not get near. That may have had something to do with it.

My post after the lynch was to scare RPI into NOT attacking me. I played bigger than I was, I had no way of killing him if he attacked me, only to keep him away with wolfbane. I then protected you, thinking he would attack you after my ploy. It must have worked since we are both alive. Last night I waited on him to attack you and he never showed(b/c of the wolfbane?) then I returned to my room and waited for my death. It never came either.

The way I look at it, look at it from a "survivor" stand point. Vote for who played the best game. After all I did fool you, what did RPI do? Missed a vote and posted very little. He even fell into my plan yesterday and voted for Pennywise. I figured he would realize I could protect against his attack and vote with Pennywise. My game may not have been clean, but neither was yours, you fooled many more people than I did.

I pulled the same move you did man(I could defend against the wolves, not the mafia, I had to kill Pennywise, hell RPI even fell into that ploy which I knew he would), we're both apparently good enough to pull it off. That is all I'm saying for now, I will be back before the deadline, but atleast take this vote into consideration.

[Lathum]

no dice.

[Neon_Chaos]

Since the vote is a 1-1 draw between dubb93 and RPI-Fan... Lathum, kindly PM me your final vote, and I'll post the results.

[RPI-Fan]

Lathum: Just to make sure dubb's flawed logic doesn't sway you:

Being agressive, as you well know, isn't the only way to play this game. It's not all about "making moves" and stirring up chatter (which in dubb's case is usually false).

I played a smart, quiet game, with strong, strong votes.

[dubb93]

(which in dubb's case is usually false).


True, last game my thoughts were false however this game I saw through Lathum's fake seer role, and outted a werewolf, and convinced everyone that I was mafia. I played my role the best I could as did you. Otherwise we wouldn't be here.

Last game my chatter was mostly false, but read through this game and I feel you will find a different story.

[dubb93]

and anyway RPI, what exactly were your actions last night?

[RPI-Fan]

True, last game my thoughts were false however this game I saw through Lathum's fake seer role, and outted a werewolf, and convinced everyone that I was mafia. I played my role the best I could as did you. Otherwise we wouldn't be here.

Last game my chatter was mostly false, but read through this game and I feel you will find a different story.

I think Lathum has sent in his vote, so I just want to say:

No hard feelings.

[dubb93]

No hard feelings.

I believe that is a given, it's just a game afterall
:D

[Lathum]

I think Lathum has sent in his vote, so I just want to say:

No hard feelings.
of course.

It is just a game and a great one

thanks Neon, this has been awesome

[Neon_Chaos]

Three men... one final day...

After making a final case, both men try to sway Lathum to vote for the other man. RPI-Fan and dubb93 stand before Lathum, as he contemplates on his final decision.

"I vote..."

A moment of tension.

"...to kill you, foul beast!"

He points at RPI-Fan. RPI-Fan grins, he slowly transforms into his true being. As he is doing so, he speaks.

"I don't care if there are two of you... you will BOTH die today! And I start with you, you insignificant little worm!"

He reaches his full form, shoves dubb93 aside... and quickly lunges for Lathum! Lathum jumps out of the way, but is not quick enough! RPI-Fan pins him down, and goes for the kill...

...but dubb93 quickly pulls out a piece of Wolfsbane and shoves it into RPI-Fan's open mouth! The Werewolf bites off dubb93's hand, and rips it apart!!! But by doing so, he swallow's the Wolfsbane!

RPI-Fan's body starts to shake, and he convulses... he slowly returns to his human form, as his mouth foams. He suffers an epileptic seizure, and finaly breathes his last. RPI-Fan was a Werewolf!!!

Lathum is bruised and bleeding, but not as bad as dubb93, who's missing his right arm. dubb93 turns to Lathum... "You might be a Turncoat... but you made the right choice today... YOU get to live. WE get to live."

Lathum grins. "I get to live... for now. It's time for me to hide... I don't think the men in Sicily are going to appreciate me getting their men killed."

dubb93 grabs a couple of Wolfsbane herbs from his pocket and hands it to Lathum.

"Here... just in case."

~

VILLAGERS WIN!

1. kingfc22 Retired Officer, killed by Mafia Night 5
2. Blade6119 - Villager, lynched Day 4
3. Vince - Sorceror, killed by Werewolves Night 1
4. SackAttack - Mafia Lieutenant, lynched Day 2
5. MrBug708 - Werewolf King, lynched Day 5
6. dubb93 - Herbalist, Survivor
7. ardent enthusiast - Villager, killed by Mafia Night 2
8. raiders army - Seer, killed by Werewolves Night 3
9. Lathum - Turncoat, Survivor
10. saldana - Villager, killed by Mafia Night 3
11. Mr. Wednesday - Werewolf, lynched Day 3
12. henry296 - Investigator, killed by Mafia Lieutenant Day 2
13. digamma - Villager, killed by Werewolves Night 5
14. cartman - Villager, killed by Werewolves Night 2
15. RealDeal - Regional Magistrate, killed by Werewolves Night 4
16. Barkeep49 - Mafia, killed by Werewolf King Day 5
17. Bek - Villager, lynched Day 1
18. pennywisesb - Mafia, lynched Day 6
19. RPI-Fan - Werewolf, lunched Day 7
20. SnDvls - Villager, killed by Mafia Night 1

~

Good game, everyone. I hope I can moderate another game like this. :)

[RPI-Fan]

I'm a little disappointed in this. I don't think made a flat-out lie in this game, yet dubb gets rewarded for his totally deceiptful play.

Good game, everyone.

[RPI-Fan]

Dola: What made you change your vote?

[dubb93]

:), I didn't see that one coming...GREAT GAME VILLAGERS, only 12 of us to 8 bad guys at the beginning and we pulled it off :)

And now can RPI admit to trying to attack Lathum last night? :)

[Neon_Chaos]

Nope, dubb. RPI-Fan chose to attack noone.

[Neon_Chaos]

Will field in questions now... :) Feel free to ask about the game.

[Lathum]

I'm confused...

did I win?

[RPI-Fan]

:), I didn't see that one coming...GREAT GAME VILLAGERS, only 12 of us to 8 bad guys at the beginning and we pulled it off :)

And now can RPI admit to trying to attack Lathum last night? :)

Nope.

I was worried you had the power to attack the wolf (to account for the fact that our roles were secret) and kill him, or something. So I killed no one, figuring the chances I could sway Lathum were greater than me surviving an attempted kill.

Gamble didn't pay off, I guess. :(

[dubb93]

Dola: What made you change your vote?

Prehaps the fact you would have killed him? I would have voted the same, think about it, its just a game, but survival is key. You would have killed him. This way he gets to live.

[Neon_Chaos]

Lathum, well, since no Mafia was left, you are still counted as a Villager. You win, just by surviving.

[RPI-Fan]

I'm confused...

did I win?

No of course not!!! Arghghhh this is annoying if Lathum was forced to PM his vote when he could have asked the consequences!!!!!

[dubb93]

wow, i guess my post lynch post had more of an effect than I thought it did...

[Lathum]

Dola: What made you change your vote?
call it a hunch

[RPI-Fan]

call it a hunch

"hunch" about what? Why did Lathum have to PM his vote instead of posting it and giving us a chance to defend ourselves???

[Neon_Chaos]

No, RPI-Fan, he didn't ask the consequences of his action. Nor would I have given him the consequences (which were pretty obvious, don't you think? You being a Werewolf and all.) :)

Technically, Lathum doesn't win via his role (since he managed to kill the final Mafia). but he does survive, so that accounts for something.

[Lathum]

I win :)

[RPI-Fan]

No, RPI-Fan, he didn't ask the consequences of his action. Nor would I have given him the consequences (which were pretty obvious, don't you think? You being a Werewolf and all.) :)

Technically, Lathum doesn't win via his role (since he managed to kill the final Mafia). but he does survive, so that accounts for something.

Well, it sounds like he wasn't clear if he was a winner, or not... which to me seems like he could have fielded in the thread.

Regardless, good lying dubb, congratulations.

[Lathum]

You guys gotta admit the play against Blade was pretty brilliant

[RPI-Fan]

Dola: Sorry wolves, I focked up. To quote Mr. W: "You're thinking too hard"

---doh!---

[dubb93]

Regardless, good lying dubb, congratulations.

Thank you, thank you very much, but would you really have told me you were a werewolf if I asked you on day 1?

[dubb93]

You guys gotta admit the play against Blade was pretty brilliant

That it was, but I'm still surprised they fell for it. And quite frankly I'm surprised you believed I was mafia.

[RPI-Fan]

Thank you, thank you very much, but would you really have told me you were a werewolf if I asked you on day 1?

I didn't put myself in that situation.

[kingfc22]

Dubb was your role a bodyguard type too? If so how did you not save anyone, especially RA?

I chose RA and Digamma both nights they were killed, but they died because they were not attacked by the mafia.

[RPI-Fan]

I want to do this unconditionally:

Great game dubb, good win, congratulations.

[RPI-Fan]

I'm curious: Did anyone suspect me of being a wolf at ANY point prior to the final four, or so?

[dubb93]

Just checking in as a villager.

~rpi-fan

Oh really? I did what I had to do to win. I was the lone villager against two mafia and a werewolf. You don't know untill you are in that situation. If I had set back I wouldn't have made it to the end. If you had died I would have lost. If Lathum had died I would have lost. I had to drive Pennywise out. It was a game and I played it to win, and in the end the villagers won and Lathum survived.

Also, I now hope Sack can see how the villagers can win, I gave my plan away way back then after all.

[Neon_Chaos]

Dubb was your role a bodyguard type too? If so how did you not save anyone, especially RA?

I chose RA and Digamma both nights they were killed, but they died because they were not attacked by the mafia.
Because night before RA died, dubb93 protected RA out of a hunch, hence he could not protect RA the next night.

[RPI-Fan]

I also want to comment: I don't think the game was as stacked as people are claimining.

The Mafia, strictly from a head-counting standpoint, had a 15% chance, Wolves 15%, and Villagers 70%. So the Villagers had 4.5 times as good of a chance as either bad guy. Had this game been "normal", with maybe 5 mafia, the Villagers were at EVEN MORE of an advantage.

I know the bad guys had "extra" powers, but generally speaking, it wasn't as stacked as maybe it looked.

[dubb93]

Dubb was your role a bodyguard type too? If so how did you not save anyone, especially RA?


I was just unlucky I guess. As for RA, I had protected him the night before his reveal randomly, and was stuck not being able to protect him the next of his reveal, it really sucked. Other than that, the night after the Lathum fooled us I didn't protect anyone b/c I didn't want to be in the RA situation again. Other than that I was just unlucky I guess.

[dubb93]

AND I TOLD YA I WOULD LOOK OUT FOR YA LATHUM!!! MAKE GOOD USE OF THAT WOLFSBANE, THAT WAS MY WHOLE SUPPLY!

[Neon_Chaos]

To make it clear, the Mafia and Werewolves' win conditions were to gain a 1:1 ratio with EVERYONE ELSE.

So the Mafia must get a 1:1 ratio with the combined numbers of Villagers and Werewolves. And vice versa.

I think it was a pretty balanced game that could have played out differently if the Mafia/Werewolves managed to kill each other early in the game.

And the reveal of the night kills was a flag I set if the Seer and Investigator are already dead.

[RPI-Fan]

Oh really? I did what I had to do to win. I was the lone villager against two mafia and a werewolf. You don't know untill you are in that situation. If I had set back I wouldn't have made it to the end. If you had died I would have lost. If Lathum had died I would have lost. I had to drive Pennywise out. It was a game and I played it to win, and in the end the villagers won and Lathum survived.

Also, I now hope Sack can see how the villagers can win, I gave my plan away way back then after all.

Well, I have to start the process of making myself feel more competent.:)

-I had pennywise & Barkeep pegged as Mafia by about the 3rd day.

I'm trying to see what I could have done differently in the end game:

I think it really all comes down to me, as Mr. W said, "thinking too hard" on the last night... at the VERY LEAST I should have tried to kill dubb (I never would have attacked Lathum... your post made it way too obvious you were UNPROTECTED, dubb). But I was just so worried he had some special power to counter-balance the wolves' role and numbers being secret.

[RPI-Fan]

To make it clear, the Mafia and Werewolves' win conditions were to gain a 1:1 ratio with EVERYONE ELSE.

So the Mafia must get a 1:1 ratio with the combined numbers of Villagers and Werewolves. And vice versa.

I think it was a pretty balanced game that could have played out differently if the Mafia/Werewolves managed to kill each other early in the game.

And the reveal of the night kills was a flag I set if the Seer and Investigator are already dead.

Wow, my thinking was totally off then near the end.

I had cleared out my PM box, but was almost sure I had to gain a 1:1 ratio with the villagers. Glad you cleared that up, makes me feel a little better.

[Vince]

What a game. Congrats to dubb -- well played.

[Neon_Chaos]

Game ball goes to dubb93 for pulling a rabbit out of his ass and winning the damn game. Simply awesome.

Runner-up is Lathum, who almost single-handedly won it for the Mafia... until he killed pennywisesb. :)

RPI-Fan, great job of going under the radar for nearly the entire game.

The final three really played well, and deserve credit.

[dubb93]

So how many observers thought I was mafia and what did you guys think Pennywise was?

[RPI-Fan]

Alright, so when's the next game (that you don't need a Ph.D to play?:p)? :D

[Neon_Chaos]

Role List, and the PM's I sent you guys.

Mafia - You have come to this small Italian Village, looking to invade and take over the local populace. You can achieve it by reaching a 1-1 ratio with everyone else in the village. Each night the Mafia choose one person to kill.
SackAttack, you are the Mafia Lieutenant. If you are lynched, you may choose to take one person down with you to the grave.(you can kill someone if you are lynched.)

Werewolves - You have been living in seclusion from the world in this small Village. Now that the Mafia have arrived, you must see to it that this Village remains yours. The Werewolves may choose to kill one person each night. To win, you must get a 1:1 ratio with everyone else in the Village.
MrBug708, you are the Werewolf King. If you are lynched you may choose to kill another person with you and take him to the grave as well.

Sorceror - You are a Sorceror. You do not know who the werewolves are, nor do they know who you are. Each night you may choose to check if a person is the Seer. If viewed by any seer-type role, you will only be seen as a Villgager. You win if the Werewolves win (by gaining a 1-1 ratio with everyone else). You will still count as a Villager during the head-counting process.

Turncoat - You are a turncoat for the mafia. You do not know who the Mafia are, nor do they know who you are. You may not PM the Mafia. You may check each night to see if a person in the Investigator. You win if the Mafia win. When viewed by the Investigator, you will only come up as a Villager. You will still count as a Villager during head-counting between Mafia and Villagers.

Retired Officer - You are a retired policeman living your life out in the Village. Each night you may choose one person to protect from being killed by the Mafia. You may choose yourself, but cannot choose the same person two nights in a row.

Investigator - You are a local Investigator, hearing rumors of Mafia in the village. You may choose one person each night to view, to check if he is a member of the Mafia.

Herbalist - You are a local herbalist, whose specialty is Wolfsbane. Each night you may choose to sprinkle someone's door with Wolfsbane, to prevent the Werewolves from attacking that person. You may choose yourself, but may not choose the same person two nights in a row.

Seer - You are a Seer, with special powers, hearing rumors of Werewolves in the village. You have tried long and hard to find them, but have only found the power to do so now... you may choose one person each night to view, to check if he is a Werewolf.

Regional Magistrate - You are the Regional Magistrate, and are quite wealthy. You've gone on vacation in this small village. You may choose to change the target of a lynching for one day, and choose a new lynching target. This is a one-time power only.

Villager - You are... a Villager! :)

[saldana]

so did the villagers win, or did the mafia win...post 1 says the turncoat wins if the mafia wins....not trying to be difficult, just confused.

[Neon_Chaos]

so did the villagers win, or did the mafia win...post 1 says the turncoat wins if the mafia wins....not trying to be difficult, just confused.Kindly read the final Vote Results post.
http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~fof/forums/showpost.php?p=882967&postcount=781

The Villagers won.

The Turncoat survived. Technically, he didn't win. But he did survive, and surviving equates to winning... somewhat. If it makes anyone feel better, Lathum gets his eyeballs ripped off his skull after the Mob finds him. :)

[digamma]

Nice work, dubb. I didn't think your play to get pennywise lynched was going to work. After I got killed the night before, I was trying to construct winning scenarios. You hit the one shot we had.

Great game, Neon.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Because night before RA died, dubb93 protected RA out of a hunch, hence he could not protect RA the next night.Wow. Great move, as we almost tried to kill him (and I was kicking myself for not doing it the next day). Knowing that we wouldn't have been able to get him anyway reduces the second-guessing.

[dubb93]

And another little quirk in the game was SackAttacks posts lighting into me toward the deadline with just 4 people left.

I assume Neon told Sack to delete them and he did, but he also sent me a message that he recommend I delete the posts that dealt with Sackattack. I responded that the only person I didn't want to see them was Lathum and he had been lurking the whole time so there was no point, but that if by some miracle he kept his vote on Pennywise I had a plan to win it. He responded with "good luck" and I bet he had a good laugh over it at the time.

I thought for sure Lathum saw them and could have figured out that Sack wouldn't rip into me if I was mafia, but I guess I either covered it up well, or he didn't infact, see them.

[Mr. Wednesday]

So how many observers thought I was mafia and what did you guys think Pennywise was?I thought your play was straight-up, initially, and was favorably impressed. My opinion further improved dramatically when Neon told me you were the wolf bodyguard, and I realized what you were trying to do. I gotta say, I was mostly rooting for the wolves, but I don't mind seeing the play you pulled off rewarded, even if you did initially target the wrong guy.

[Mr. Wednesday]

And another little quirk in the game was SackAttacks posts lighting into me toward the deadline with just 4 people left.Wow, with the chance that had of blowing the endgame, that's not cool. Not cool at all. :(

I admit, I might have posted a bit more than I should have as a dead guy, but I tried to make sure the content was always neutral.

[saldana]

Kindly read the final Vote Results post.
http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~fof/forums/showpost.php?p=882967&postcount=781

The Villagers won.

The Turncoat survived. Technically, he didn't win. But he did survive, and surviving equates to winning... somewhat. If it makes anyone feel better, Lathum gets his eyeballs ripped off his skull after the Mob finds him. :)

cool, thanks, and lathum getting whacked does make me feel better...i wasnt trying to be a dick, i just was a bit confused because you said lathum won and said the villagers won.

btw, would the mafia be kind enough to tell me why i got whacked? i figure it was either because i made it so obvious i was only a villager and made an easy target, or i pissed people off by whining about the rules after night 1.

[digamma]

Oh, and for the record, I was pretty confident you were a villager the whole time, dubb. Just a hunch. I followed your votes to almost a T.

[Mr. Wednesday]

I'm a little disappointed in this. I don't think made a flat-out lie in this game, yet dubb gets rewarded for his totally deceiptful play.:confused:

That sort of play is really the point of the game, and dubb pulled it off brilliantly. I don't think I ever would have expected to see the game where a successful endgame consisted of a villager convincing someone he was mafia, instead of vice versa. :)

The guys who scare me the most in these games are the ones that can pull of a convincing lie. Gotta say, dubb is going to be higher on my list of early kills in the future. :p

[dubb93]

Lathum won, end of story, he has a way of twisting the truth like no one in this game, except maybe myself. I'm sure he could find a way to blend in and hide from the mafia the rest of his life.

[RPI-Fan]

cool, thanks, and lathum getting whacked does make me feel better...i wasnt trying to be a dick, i just was a bit confused because you said lathum won and said the villagers won.

btw, would the mafia be kind enough to tell me why i got whacked? i figure it was either because i made it so obvious i was only a villager and made an easy target, or i pissed people off by whining about the rules after night 1.

I'm not mafia, but as a wolf we were just thinking: Who can we get that we are SURE isn't a mafia (because mafia were probably doing the same, and would get the villagers' numbers down near the end).

[Barkeep49]

I'm curious: Did anyone suspect me of being a wolf at ANY point prior to the final four, or so?
I know I didn't.

Great game Dubb.

[Neon_Chaos]

Alright, my highlights of the game... from the moderator stand-point.

#1 - The Werewolves killed the Sorceror on Night 1, that was amusing.
#2 - Lathum blindfolded everyone, managed to get Blade killed, reveal his role and not die. Great move.
#3 - The Mafia obviously trying to kill of the Werewolves, but can't, thanks to faulty information (the saldana kill)
#4 - The Seer's limited but crucial roles in the game
#5 - Everyone not believing that there could be 3 Werewolves in the game
#6 - dubb93 initially voting for RPI-Fan and claiming to be Mafia... I thought then that the game would be over. And then pennywisesb claiming that HE was Mafia, and I thought 'oh... this just became interesting'.
#7 - pennywisesb with his gajillion posts trying to convince Lathum that he was mafia
#8 - Lathum offing pennywisesb. :)
#9 - And of course, the miracle that dubb93 pulled off with EVERYONE ELSE'S ROLE being against him.
#9b - Oh, and the fact that Day 6 was all about convincing someone that he was Mafia. Talk about an instant reversal of roles! instead of trying to convince someone you're a good guy, you're trying to convince someone that you're a bad guy. heh. :)

[RPI-Fan]

:confused:

That sort of play is really the point of the game, and dubb pulled it off brilliantly. I don't think I ever would have expected to see the game where a successful endgame consisted of a villager convincing someone he was mafia, instead of vice versa. :)

The guys who scare me the most in these games are the ones that can pull of a convincing lie. Gotta say, dubb is going to be higher on my list of early kills in the future. :p

That post was a little more out of frustration than anything... but I do think there is something to be said for play like mine, with smart voting patterns, having a situation where I really should have won the game (if not for my own shortcomings). I think it may be just as hard to play the game flying low, though, as it is to pull off a big lie -- in fact, I thought of a half-dozen or so that I was SURE would be good plays, but just weren't worth the risk since nobody suspected me of anything.

[RPI-Fan]

So, NC: When's the next game?:D

[Mr. Wednesday]

At risk of giving away company secrets... my strategy as a wolf was to try to fly under the radar, looking like a villager, until developments later in the game. Unfortunately, my cover got blown by a lucky (I think) view by RA. The first night, we tried to pick a strong player to kill, but were unlucky in killing our unknown ally in the sorceror. The second night, we were starting to worry about killing off mafia, because with a numerical advantage over them they were actually to our benefit while there were more villagers (and their kill would be more likely to get another villager than one of us); we figured that the other two mafia players had probably voted for the mafioso that got lynched first (SackAttack, was it?), so we focused our votes outside that group.

[Poli]

VILLAGERS WIN!
WOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by RPI-Fan
I'm curious: Did anyone suspect me of being a wolf at ANY point prior to the final four, or so?

No, in the final four I figured you for mafia, but thankfully pennywise gave me a chance to change the vote and look convincing doing it.

[Mr. Wednesday]

That post was a little more out of frustration than anything... but I do think there is something to be said for play like mine, with smart voting patterns, having a situation where I really should have won the game (if not for my own shortcomings). I think it may be just as hard to play the game flying low, though, as it is to pull off a big lie -- in fact, I thought of a half-dozen or so that I was SURE would be good plays, but just weren't worth the risk since nobody suspected me of anything.The need for the big lie is dictated by circumstances. Dubb had reached a point where he needed to nail the mafioso in order for his protection ability to have a shot at blocking the winning kill, and he obviously judged that the best way to do that was to try to fool the turncoat into thinking that dubb (and not pennywise) was the mafia.

Sometimes the lie isn't needed... look at CW's win in Peregrine's WW game. Sometimes it is...

[Neon_Chaos]

No, in the final four I figured you for mafia, but thankfully pennywise gave me a chance to change the vote and look convincing doing it.
when you chose RPI-Fan, I thought you were a goner. then, pennywisesb outed his role. and then... the shit hit the fan.

[Neon_Chaos]

So, NC: When's the next game?:D
Probably a week or two from now. I need a break. lol. I'm playing LORD OF THE RINGS: BATTLE FOR MIDDLE EARTH

[SackAttack]

I thought for sure Lathum saw them and could have figured out that Sack wouldn't rip into me if I was mafia.

Which isn't true. Given the things you posted, I would have ripped into you no matter your role.

But that's irrelevant now.

[Neon_Chaos]

It should be noted that things said in this game are not to be said or taken in a serious light, after all, the game is about psyching out your opponent and punking them out to the point that noone will believe them.

[Barkeep49]

Ok I will put in a pitch now for my WW game. Are the rules long? Yes, but honestly it playing it isn't that hard. If you like WW, I think you'll like this game.

[Neon_Chaos]

Ok I will put in a pitch now for my WW game. Are the rules long? Yes, but honestly it playing it isn't that hard. If you like WW, I think you'll like this game.
threadjacker! :)

[SackAttack]

It should be noted that things said in this game are not to be said or taken in a serious light, after all, the game is about psyching out your opponent and punking them out to the point that noone will believe them.

Maybe so, but I have more respect for somebody who can play their game with convincing rhetoric than for somebody whose strategy consists of saying things like "Shut up and die already, wolf" and "are you fucking happy now?"

That's just brute intimidation, and requires no skill.

Just my two cents.

[Neon_Chaos]

Maybe so, but I have more respect for somebody who can play their game with convincing rhetoric than for somebody whose strategy consists of saying things like "Shut up and die already, wolf" and "are you fucking happy now?"

That's just brute intimidation, and requires no skill.

Just my two cents.
I think a little intimidation goes a long way. :)

"THE PAIN TRAIN IS COMING! WHOO! WHOO!"

[SackAttack]

I think a little intimidation goes a long way. :)

"THE PAIN TRAIN IS COMING! WHOO! WHOO!"

Whatever. I don't regret calling him on it.

I do regret doing it publicly.

I would have called dubb on it no matter what penny's role.

If it influenced the endgame, I apologize. It wasn't meant to, and even when posting it, I tried hard to keep it as neutral as I could, but looking back I do see where it was problematic. Which is why I feel like I should have just done it privately.

[SackAttack]

Oh!

And to answer the 'why henry?' question from the start of the game...I duked him then because I knew it would be the mafia's best chance to take him out while he had no protection, and thus deprive the villagers of the opportunity to find Barkeep and penny.

Had he not led the lynch mob against me, we probably would have let him live to cast suspicion upon him ("He's claiming a seer role, why isn't he dead?"), but it didn't work out that way.

[Vince]

#1 - The Werewolves killed the Sorceror on Night 1, that was amusing.
http://dynamic.gamespy.com/%7Efof/forums/images/smilies/mad.gif

The first night, we tried to pick a strong player to kill, but were unlucky in killing our unknown ally in the sorceror.
That makes me feel a little better, I guess :)

I was really looking forward to playing this role -- I thought it would be very interesting having a role where everyone is out to get you, so to speak. Too bad I got munched real early. What I found irritating at first, and funny after a moment, was that when I logged on that night, I had a PM from Neon_Chaos about my view for the evening. So I was like "Ok, cool. I wasn't killed." I read the thread, and...well, my post summed it up nicely:

Sweet.

[Neon_Chaos]

Whatever. I don't regret calling him on it.

I do regret doing it publicly.

I would have called dubb on it no matter what penny's role.

If it influenced the endgame, I apologize. It wasn't meant to, and even when posting it, I tried hard to keep it as neutral as I could, but looking back I do see where it was problematic. Which is why I feel like I should have just done it privately.
But yeah, I had no problem you questioning his style of play. But I did have a problem doing it with about 30 minutes remaining before deadline, in the thread. Thanks for deleting the posts, man. :)

[SackAttack]

Also, I now hope Sack can see how the villagers can win, I gave my plan away way back then after all.

Yup.

[Neon_Chaos]

http://dynamic.gamespy.com/%7Efof/forums/images/smilies/mad.gif


That makes me feel a little better, I guess :)

I was really looking forward to playing this role -- I thought it would be very interesting having a role where everyone is out to get you, so to speak. Too bad I got munched real early. What I found irritating at first, and funny after a moment, was that when I logged on that night, I had a PM from Neon_Chaos about my view for the evening. So I was like "Ok, cool. I wasn't killed." I read the thread, and...well, my post summed it up nicely:
if I recall correctly, you viewed RA that night. :)

[pennywisesb]

I HATE you DUBB. ;) I had you so pegged, great job lathum. Way not to look at the only positive outcome for the mafia.

[pennywisesb]

btw, would the mafia be kind enough to tell me why i got whacked? i figure it was either because i made it so obvious i was only a villager and made an easy target, or i pissed people off by whining about the rules after night 1.

We thought you were a wolf because you were defending Mr. W and we thought we could get two wolves in one night.

[dubb93]

And sack, I in no way meant any of the things I said about Penny personally, I was just forced into the role of playing the mafia brute. I had to act like I had the game won and nothing Penny or RPI said mattered. If I had come out soft I feared Lathum may have switched votes.

Luckily my play earlier in the game, voting wolfs, being cleared by RA, defending mafia and the turncoat all allowed me to play that way. I'm not sure any other villager could have pulled it off. I had all the evidence there that I was indeed a mafia hiding in plain sight.

And like I said, "Are you fucking happy now." was a song quote from Mudvayne which I just so happened to be listening to at the time. Pennywise was asking a question that had already been throughly answered, so I threw together some quoted posts and tried to post it, but had to add text so I added that.

If you were in my situation I'm sure you would have been able to see that bending the truth and intimidation were the only way. Had I not intimidated RPI in the last day he would have killed me, but I came out big, convinced him I had the power to kill him and he elected to play it safe.

Sometimes you don't have to play that way, but I was up against a werewolf and 2 mafia and HAD to come out strong and mean, any other way would not have gotten the job done. You said it yourself that the villagers couldn't win. Well they obviously could, just not the "right and just" way.

[Neon_Chaos]

I HATE you DUBB. ;) I had you so pegged, great job lathum. Way not to look at the only positive outcome for the mafia.
In a way, i was secretly rooting for Lathum not to kill you, you were just all over the place trying to convince him that you're the mafia.

But come to think of it, you thought dubb93 was a werewolf.

If you knew dubb93 wasn't a werewolf, and hadn't announced that you were mafia, then RPI-Fan would have been killed, you would have won the game with the night kill.

[Barkeep49]

I've been thinking about what would have happened if penny had been killed and I had been left and about the only thing that I would have done is do a kill by kill explanation. Sack and I talked last night about how calling dubb on his lie was the wrong move but I think I'd have made the same error if I'd still been in it. Was a great game and congrats to the villagers for their win despite all of the odds against them.

[Lathum]

pennywise just tried so hard...

[dubb93]

I HATE you DUBB. ;) I had you so pegged,

:D

[Mr. Wednesday]

I assume the mafia were a little bit after wolves around the time of my lynching because they didn't know how many of us there were, or what our goals were?

As I noted previously, I figured that until the numbers got down, we were better off keeping the mafia alive. It gave alternative bad guy lynch targets, and it helped us pick off villagers.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Dola, I thought it was pretty crazy that a wolf was lynched because everyone had become convinced he was mafia. :p

Actually, that whole debate was a train wreck.

[Barkeep49]

Dola, I thought it was pretty crazy that a wolf was lynched because everyone had become convinced he was mafia. :p

Actually, that whole debate was a train wreck.
My thinking fairly early on was that with neither penny or I raising any suspicion that the wolves were a far greater threat to killing us than the villagers. Our lack of suspicion is why we kept our voting patterns fairly different except the pile on votes. I think overall we played a fairly good game. If we had managed to kill king that night I don't think we'd have been stoppable.

[Barkeep49]

Dola -- BTW thanks to Sack and penny for being two great teammates. It was lots of fun playing with them.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Ardent? Did I miss something?

Edit: Fixed now.

[Barkeep49]

Ardent? Did I miss something?
Late night mistake. Fixed now.

[Blade6119]

I CANT BELIEVE YOU LET LATHUM LIVED AFTER HE GOT ME KILLED....i hate you all...

[Blade6119]

Heh. Just hopped into this thread to see how it was going...and Blade was killed. Oh how fitting. :)

(Hi Blade.)

i swear one day i will have my revenge!!!!! :D :D :D :mad: :mad: :mad:

[Blade6119]

You guys gotta admit the play against Blade was pretty brilliant

Against anyone else yes, bt god damn is it maddening for someone to use a fake role reveal on me, the master of the fake role reveal...stupid lathum...and no one would listen to me, all just blindly trusted you

[jeff061]

I thought Lathum was lying, actually even thought he may be the turncoat. I just couldn't believe 3 hits on 3 days.

Dubb totally had me sold on Penny though. Mostly because of Penny's posts, which seemed a little contrived to me.

[Poli]

:DDid you ever know that you're my hero...

[Poli]

Ardent? Did I miss something?

Edit: Fixed now.:)

I missed something. :)

[Raiders Army]

I have no idea what's going on, but go villagers!

[Raiders Army]

Oh. I see the game is over. Go villagers!

[pennywisesb]

I thought Lathum was lying, actually even thought he may be the turncoat. I just couldn't believe 3 hits on 3 days.

Dubb totally had me sold on Penny though. Mostly because of Penny's posts, which seemed a little contrived to me.

Contrived until you realized everything I said WAS TRUE ;) . I couldn't explain why Dubb would do what he did if he was a villager, but now it all makes sense. Dubb did a great job defending himself against me, and I think I got alittle carried away because once I was on the chopping block I knew I had to do whatever it took to get Lathum to believe me.

I was getting so frustrated with Dubb and Lathum yesterday. If you could have seen me reacting to your posts you would have been laughing your butts off. I was screaming at my computer screen! My coworkers were getting a real kick out of it.

I'm going to chaulk up my nOOb play at the end to this being my first game and my lack of experience. I'll definately know better the next time I play :)

[jeff061]

No doubt, different people argue in different ways :). Next time I won't(hopefully) make that mistake with you. The more you play with certain people the less difficult it is to read them.