Werewolf XIII: The Italian Village

[Neon_Chaos]

Yo. Let's do this, if people are still interested. :)

I will need 20 players for this one. Sign-up complete!

Player List:
1. kingfc22
2. Blade6119
3. Vince
4. SackAttack
5. MrBug708
6. dubb93
7. ardent enthusiast
8. raiders army
9. Lathum
10. saldana
11. Mr. Wednesday
12. henry296
13. digamma
14. cartman
15. RealDeal
16. Barkeep49
17. Bek
18. pennywisesb
19. RPI-Fan
20. SnDvls

Alternate:
1. RadioFriendlyUnitShifter

Roles: (Note that these roles may or may not be used in the game, and that there is the possibility that there is more than one instance of a given role. And of course, there are the secret roles, unnamed. :) )

Mafia - You have come to this small Italian Village, looking to invade and take over the local populace. You can achieve it by reaching a 1-1 ratio with everyone else in the village. Each night the Mafia choose one person to kill.

Turncoat - You are a turncoat for the mafia. You do not know who the Mafia are, nor do they know who you are. You may not PM the Mafia. You may check each night to see if a person in the Investigator. You win if the Mafia win. When viewed by the Investigator, you will only come up as a Villager. You will still count as a Villager during head-counting between Mafia and Villagers.

Retired Officer - You are a retired policeman living your life out in the Village. Each night you may choose one person to protect from being killed by the Mafia. You may choose yourself, but cannot choose the same person two nights in a row.

Investigator - You are a local Investigator, hearing rumors of Mafia in the village. You may choose one person each night to view, to check if he is a member of the Mafia.

Regional Magistrate - You are the Regional Magistrate, and are quite wealthy. You've gone on vacation in this small village. You may choose to change the target of a lynching for one day, and choose a new lynching target. This is a one-time power only.

Basic Rules:

Deadlines will be 9PM EDT for Votes, and 9AM EDT for Night Actions.
If I send you a PM, please, PLEASE don't post it. Paraphrase if you want. I don't care as much about PMs shared between players. ;)
If you miss two votes in a row without a good excuse, you'll be replaced by one of the alternates.
Ties will be decided by different ways, if the Regional Magistrate is alive, he will PM me which among the tied players will be lynched. If the Reigional Magistrate is dead, then the tied vote will be determined via the omnipotent coin-toss of eternal damnation!
This is important: Lynching deaths will reveal the identities of the victims. Night deaths WILL NOT.

[kingfc22]

Did somebody say WW game?

I'm in

[Blade6119]

do you even have to ask...i should be automatically placed in every game

[Vince]

Heh, I'll sign up -- I've missed it in the week since I got killed in the last one.

[SackAttack]

I"m in!

[MrBug708]

Woot!

[dubb93]

In there.

[Poli]

Word.

[Raiders Army]

I'm in

[Lathum]

In

[saldana]

im in

[Mr. Wednesday]

In.

[henry296]

In, but will be without e-mail from Friday after work through very late Sunday evening.

[digamma]

In. Have to vindicate the villager's piss poor performance in the last one. Or kill them off. One. By. One.

[Lathum]

In, but will be without e-mail from Friday after work through very late Sunday evening.

VOTE HENRY :D

[cartman]

Hell, I'll give this a try. I'm really missing Italy these days :(

[RealDeal]

I'm in.

[Barkeep49]

I'll join.

[Bek]

I'm in...maybe i won't be slaughtered this time

[pennywisesb]

I'm in if there is still room.

[Mr. Wednesday]

By my count, there's still a couple of spots left.

[RPI-Fan]

I'm in.

[Bek]

if i counted correctly there is one spot left

[Fouts]

I almost joined, but I think I would die immediately. Plus I'm heading out of town for 10 days, and my internet time will be erratic.

[SnDvls]

in

[Karlifornia]

I'll sign up as an alternate. I haven't done one of these yet.

[Neon_Chaos]

THE ROLES HAVE BEEN SENT OUT. KINDLY READ THE RULES ABOVE. THANKS.

GAME HAS BEGUN!!!

WE START WITH NIGHT (0). Those of you with Night Actions (no killing for tonight), Kindly send in your views by 9AM EDT. :) Thanks.

[pennywisesb]

Does the game start tonight?

[Schmidty]

I'm taking a break, NC, but if you do another WW game after this, I'd love to be in it.

[jeff061]

Same for me, I was debating whether to join this one, but I'm going to take a breather.

[Lathum]

This one will be a nice change of pace after all the intricacies of the last game.

[Barkeep49]

Hello all. I'm excited to jump back into the "werewolf" fold after some time off.

Quick question kind of off topic: Does anyone around here have a nickname such as "Fat", "Machine gun" or "two ton"?

[Mr. Wednesday]

Just a villager, checking in... and I assure you, I have no nicknames. :)

(My handle is self-chosen and so I don't consider it a nickname.)

[digamma]

Checking in. No known nicknames or aliases.

[Vince]

Vince, checking in.

Should be interesting that Night Deaths will not reveal the player's role.

[cartman]

Quick question kind of off topic: Does anyone around here have a nickname such as "Fat", "Machine gun" or "two ton"?

I'm not fat, I'm big boned.

:D

[MrBug708]

Just checking in. Hopefully the mafia won't knock us asap like the last game

[henry296]

Glad to be back in another mafia game.

[SackAttack]

Rock 'n roll, glad we're getting started. Been a long, hot day covering the college soccer team.

[RealDeal]

also checking in here

[saldana]

no nicknames here either

[SnDvls]

simple villager this time checking in

[SackAttack]

no nicknames here either

Who needs a nickname with a handle as Sicilian as saldana?

Just kidding. :D

[RPI-Fan]

Just checking in as a villager.

~rpi-fan

[kingfc22]

Down with the Mafia!!!

[saldana]

Who needs a nickname with a handle as Sicilian as saldana?

Just kidding. :D

i am actually a long lost relative of Roseanne Roseannadanna.

[SackAttack]

This is important: Lynching deaths will reveal the identities of the victims. Night deaths WILL NOT.

This has ramifications I hadn't thought of before.

Last time, the Mafia hit three major players in their first three attacks, and had to know they had us on the ropes. This time, unless Neon tells them by PM who they got, they won't have any idea whether a night kill was an important player or just a red shirt.

[Mr. Wednesday]

I wonder, though, how much of a difference that would have made strategy-wise if they hadn't known they got the seer? (And from my POV, my role was not especially useful until late in the game.)

[Vince]

This has ramifications I hadn't thought of before.

Last time, the Mafia hit three major players in their first three attacks, and had to know they had us on the ropes. This time, unless Neon tells them by PM who they got, they won't have any idea whether a night kill was an important player or just a red shirt.
Well, we won't know either. It is going to be a little more touch and go for all parties.

[SackAttack]

Well, we won't know either. It is going to be a little more touch and go for all parties.

That's true. But it was always touch and go for us because we got behind the 8 ball so quickly that we never recovered. The mafia will still know who the villagers are, but because they won't know the roles of those they kill, they're going to have to be much more careful, just on the chance that a seer role still exists.

I wonder, for example, if Blade would have tried his play if a legitimate seer was still in the game.

[Poli]

Well, after having a lot of fun as part of the winning mafia team, I'm now just a villager. So is the life. Maybe I'm a postal worker. Who knows.

[MrBug708]

Isn't that a sure sign of a killer?

[Poli]

Ha. Ha.

[SackAttack]

I dunno. That sig is scary. "I don't think they'd let someone like me carry a gun."

[Poli]

I dunno. That sig is scary. "I don't think they'd let someone like me carry a gun."That's why I'm a postal worker. :)

[dubb93]

Checking in, simple villager here.

[Raiders Army]

Villager checking in as well.

[Lathum]

Well, after having a lot of fun as part of the winning mafia team, I'm now just a villager. So is the life. Maybe I'm a postal worker. Who knows.
Mail bomb?

[cartman]

Wow, that was a restless night. Hard to sleep well keeping one eye open.

[Neon_Chaos]

(Sorry for the lateness...)

It is a pleasant morning. You all wake up feeling quite refreshed after a wonderful feast celebrating the Village's patron saint last night. You are met, however, with a grisly sight... the Village Mayor, Neon_Chaos is dead. A tight noose is wrapped around his neck, as he hangs from one of the tall construction rafters of the reconstructed chapel. Last night, he told a tale about Mafia coming to take over the town, none of you believed it, thinking that it was nothing more but another drunken rant... and now this.

The local priest looks with fear in his eyes.

"He is the only man who knows the secret of this town, the one man who can stop... I fear... I fear for all our lives! Flee! Flee!"

The priest is quick to run back inside his chapel, and pack his things. In less than ten minutes he is aboard his horse-drawn carriage out of the Village.

You don't feel so good now.

IT IS DAY (1), VOTES ARE DUE AT 9PM EDT. LATE VOTES WILL NOT COUNT!

[Barkeep49]

Well that sucks.

[RealDeal]

That priest probably read about how we did in the last WW.

[cartman]

Now the discussion begins...

where to start. Usually the quiet ones are the most guilty. Or is it that the quiet ones are the most innocent?

[MrBug708]

That priest probably read about how we did in the last WW.

Heh

[Lathum]

Now the discussion begins...

where to start. Usually the quiet ones are the most guilty. Or is it that the quiet ones are the most innocent?
I have yet to figure that one out.

[digamma]

My little boy is missing. Damn priest.

[pennywisesb]

Hey everyone, sorry I haven't posted, but my internet has been down for the last day and a half and so I haven't had access. Lo and behold, this is my second game and second time playing as a villager. I was kinda hoping for a chance to play as mafioso, but I guess Neon Chaos didn't have the same idea. :p

[SackAttack]

My little boy is missing. Damn priest.

Lynch the priest!

[MrBug708]

I'll start it off. Mostly because I have work and class. Damn Wednesdays :(

Vote - Ardent

It just wouldn't be the same. ;)

[Poli]

Ha.

Who do you think was leading the carriage out of town? That was me, son. :)

I'm a villager.

[Raiders Army]

Ha.

Who do you think was leading the carriage out of town? That was me, son. :)

I'm a villager.
What'd you do with the priest? More importantly, what'd you do with digamma's son???

[MrBug708]

Never trust the postal service. Always go UPS

[Barkeep49]

Well for the time being Blade is the only one who hasn't checked in which makes me lean towards voting for him. I'll give him a little more time though. This first vote is always hard as we have so little to go on, besides the fact that Neon was probabally a good guy, so voting for the absent player helps make a tough decision a little easier for me.

[digamma]

Neon is running the game and was just a seed kill to start the game. No relevance to the actual "players."

[Lathum]

I was hoping Fouts was gonna play just so I could vote for him the first day after the screw job he put on me the last game :)

[SackAttack]

I don't know who I'm voting for yet, but after the way he snookered us last game, I'm gonna be keeping an eye on Blade. Fool me once, shame on me, fool me twice, I'm going home!

[henry296]

I know that Blade is a common victim, but we need to remember that each game is different. Something tells me he is a good guy this time.

[SackAttack]

I know that Blade is a common victim, but we need to remember that each game is different. Something tells me he is a good guy this time.

Yeah, probability dictates that, if nothing else. Still gonna watch him, though. I got lucky to stumble onto his plan last time, so he's clearly got a devious streak in him.

We'll see how the day unfolds before I decide which way to vote though.

[cartman]

Well, I have to leave to go to the airport, and fly to lovely Albany, NY. So my vote might not be a well thought out one, but I have to go with my gut:

My vote: saldana

My reasons for this are so:

his name sounds Italian, and werewolves aren't known as migratory creatures
he has been lurking in the thread, and not posting

[Vince]

With three people walking out in the last three days, I'm stuck in another double shift today. I won't be back in time to vote, but since day 1 is such a crapshoot anyways, I don't feel so bad about just throwing something out there.

I vote kingfc22.

I won't be back until about 6 or 7 PM PST at the earliest, and most likely 9 or 10 PM PST.

[kingfc22]

This town is too quiet.

[Raiders Army]

Just to throw it out there, but in the last WW game I played in, the quiet ones were pretty much the ones that were left. That being said, the wolves won because they didn't put much analysis in it, so I would lean towards voting out a quiet one since they're either:

a. a wolf
b. someone who won't contribute and cause us to lose the game in the long run

Just some thoughts.

[Lathum]

I agree with Raiders Army. It's always a crapshoot anyway.

VOTE BLADE

[saldana]

in response to cartmans vote for me i have this to say...

1. i have posted already, and stated that i am a just a villager
2. my user name is a character from a science fiction series set in the 26th century....the saldanas are from another galaxy, not italy
3. how would he know if i was lurking in the thread unless that is what he was doing.

thats his second post today that has been an attempt to push attention away from himself...sounds alot like he doesnt want anyone to notice him.

Vote: Cartman

[digamma]

Henry,

What could be telling you that Blade is a good guy? Is it that you are mafia and know who the bad guys are?

Hmmm. Hmmm. Hmmm.

[SackAttack]

2. my user name is a character from a science fiction series set in the 26th century....the saldanas are from another galaxy, not italy[/B]

OOC: The Reality Dysfunction!

[saldana]

OOC: The Reality Dysfunction!

exactly, one of my favorite sci-fi books ever...nothing at all to do with italy.

[SackAttack]

exactly, one of my favorite sci-fi books ever...nothing at all to do with italy.

I finished the first two, but I couldn't find the middle two when I went to the bookstore two nights ago. I've heard iffy things about them...is it worth continuing with the Alchemist and Naked God duologies?

[henry296]

Henry,

What could be telling you that Blade is a good guy? Is it that you are mafia and know who the bad guys are?

Hmmm. Hmmm. Hmmm.

Just a gut feeling right now about Blade.

[Mr. Wednesday]

It's day one. Unless the seer wants to out himself (guaranteeing the mafia kill him by night two), there isn't going to be a whole lot of analysis today. After the fact, we'll look at the bandwagons that formed and be relatively befuddled anyway. I'm not sure there's a good day 1 strategy except for hope you get lucky, anyway... spread the votes out too much, and it's easy for the mafia to split their votes among a lot of people... focus on two or three people, and you get nothing out of it unless one is a bad guy.

This priest thing makes me a little nervous.

[saldana]

I finished the first two, but I couldn't find the middle two when I went to the bookstore two nights ago. I've heard iffy things about them...is it worth continuing with the Alchemist and Naked God duologies?

it was for me, when i read the alchemist, the naked god hadnt been written yet, and i actually put my name on the waiting list for it (i think i was the only one). i felt the story actually got alot better in the second part, but if you dont read them in close proximitiy to each other, you can easily forget what some of the storylines are. (there is actually an encyclopedia-like volume you can buy to refer back to)

[Barkeep49]

I know that Blade is a common victim, but we need to remember that each game is different. Something tells me he is a good guy this time.
This is bothering me quite a bit. Why play up knowledge you might have on the first day? If you don't have anything concrete and are truly just relying on intuition then why not simply suggest someone else or speak up at all? If you are the seer I hope you have not painted a big target on your back. But wouldn't it be a great way to get people to lay off of you if you pretend to be the seer? I guess I'm willing to to give you the benefit of the doubt for tonight but tomorrow, I just don't know... if you are still alive.

Anyhow it's been a day. Someone as experienced as Blade should know you can't go missing for a day without suspicion. I vote Blade

[SackAttack]

I think I'm gonna cast my gaze in henry's direction here. I still think Blade is a guy to be wary of, because he's shown in the past that he can be devious, but I'm a little puzzled as to why henry would start posting "gut feelings" this soon.

vote henry296

[kingfc22]

Vote Vince

He voted for a villager and I just can not accept that

[henry296]

Despite not doing anything at all in this game everyone is very quick to jump all over blade. I realize in the last game he did a great job, but each game is a different. I wish he would show up so everyone knows that he will be an active villager and that will eliminate the inactivity as a reason to vote for him. Then we can focus on bigger targets.

For their accusatory posts to my gut feelings digamma and SackAttack are in my crosshairs.

Since Sack is not willing to let go of the last game and thinks my comments about blade are mafia-like, I'll vote for him for now.

Vote SackAttack

[digamma]

This dude's a villager.

I guess there's no reason to hold off on voting. No real information out there.

Vote Bek. Another quiet one.

[Poli]

Vote MrBug.

No reason.

[RPI-Fan]

Vote Barkeep49.

Sometimes, less is more. Or, is it more is less? Or is it, I don't know my cliches?

[SackAttack]

Since Sack is not willing to let go of the last game and thinks my comments about blade are mafia-like, I'll vote for him for now.

No offense. I just gotta start somewhere on day 1. :)

[Barkeep49]

EDIT: Correct tally through sndvls' vote (post 105)

Here's the current, very tenative, tally.

2 - Blade (barkeep, lathum)
1 - Vince (kingfc)
1 - Kingfc (vince)
1 - Ardent (MrBug)
1 - Sack (henry)
1 - MrBug (ardent)
1 - Sack (henry)
1 - Bek (digamma)
1 - Saldana (cartman)
1 - Cartman (saldana)
1 - Barkeep49 (RPI-Fan)
1 - Lathum (dubbs)
1 - RPI Fan (raiders)
1 - RealDeal (Mr. W)
1 - RaidersArmy (sndvls)

That leaves 4 left to vote: Blade, realdeal, bek, pennywiseb

I am going to resist, for the moment, the urge to cast my own revenge vote and continue to hope that as voting gets later if Blade still hasn't shown up that he be given the first hanging as a matter of fairness.

[Raiders Army]

I'm waiting to see if any situations develop.

[dubb93]

Nothing out there so I'll continue to spread the vote around...

Vote Lathum

[Raiders Army]

Okay...not gonna wait any longer I guess. No point in it, so I'll help spread the vote as well.

Vote RPI-Fan

[Mr. Wednesday]

Hmm... I don't have Schmidty to try to railroad in this one... as tempting as revenge against ardent for suggesting I be offed in the last mafia might be, I'd rather not do that... this situation sucks. I don't have anybody good to vote for. This is pretty much a shot in the dark.

Vote RealDeal

Nothing personal.

[SnDvls]

I guess I better get a vote out there before too long

vote Raiders Army

just because I don't want to be the one lynching an innocent villager

[SnDvls]

Here's the current, very tenative, tally.

2 - Blade (barkeep, lathum)
1 - Vince (kingfc)
1 - Kingfc (vince)
1 - Ardent (MrBug)
1 - Sack (henry)
1 - MrBug (ardent)
1 - Sack (henry)
1 - Bek (digamma)
1 - Saldana (cartman)
1 - Cartman (saldana)
1 - Barkeep49 (RPI-Fan)
1 - Lathum (dubbs)
1 - RPI Fan (raiders)
1 - RealDeal (Mr. W)


can you give us a breakdown of the order they voted in and if you have the time a time guess as well to help us break it down more? I would, but it looks like you already have a running spread sheet going on it.

[Lathum]

I don't think I have ever seen it this spread out

[saldana]

hey barkeep, you have sack listed 2x, which means there is still one more outstanding vote than your original tally. and thanks for doing the tally, makes it alot easier than scrolling through 100+ posts .

[Barkeep49]

EDIT: Updated through penny's vote (post 121)
To bring it on to the current page here is the current, ever changing, tally. If I edited it will be noted at the very top of the post.

2 - Blade (barkeep, lathum)
2 - Bek (digamma, pennywiseb)
1 - Vince (kingfc)
1 - Kingfc (vince)
1 - Ardent (MrBug)
1 - Sack (henry)
1 - MrBug (ardent)
1 - Saldana (cartman)
1 - Cartman (saldana)
1 - Barkeep49 (RPI-Fan)
1 - Lathum (dubbs)
1 - RPI Fan (raiders)
1 - RealDeal (Mr. W)
1 - RaidersArmy (sndvls)

That leaves 3 left to vote: Blade, realdeal, bek

Sndvls asked for voting order, which I frankly don't think means anything this early on, but here it is, along with time of vote (done in CDT):
Bug 12:06
Cartman 1:11
Vince 1:11
Lathum 1:22
Saldana 1:25
Barkeep 2:07
Sack 2:13
King 2:30
Henry 2:34
Digamma 2:40
Ardent 2:41
RPI 2:45
Dub 3:18
Raiders 3:22
Wednesday 3:32
SnDvls 3:56
pennywiseb 5:16

[Barkeep49]

hey barkeep, you have sack listed 2x, which means there is still one more outstanding vote than your original tally. and thanks for doing the tally, makes it alot easier than scrolling through 100+ posts .
That was actually an error in my taking the votes from excel and making a post out of it and the count should be right.

[digamma]

I think your tally is missing a vote by Sack for henry.

[Barkeep49]

I think your tally is missing a vote by Sack for henry.
:D

[SackAttack]

I think your tally is missing a vote by Sack for henry.

That wasn't me, that was my twin, RackAttack.

[SnDvls]

Sndvls asked for voting order, which I frankly don't think means anything this early on, but here it is, along with time of vote (done in CDT):
Bug 12:06
Cartman 1:11
Vince 1:11
Lathum 1:22
Saldana 1:25
Barkeep 2:07
Sack 2:13
King 2:30
Henry 2:34
Digamma 2:40
Ardent 2:41
RPI 2:45
Dub 3:18
Raiders 3:22
Wednesday 3:32
SnDvls 3:56

it does mean a little, being I was a mafia in the last game. usually you sit back and see what is said and done before you cast a vote, but you also don't want to be last or look like you were piling on. It just gives me a quick look at who voted whom and when. Mabey it will only help me, but thanks anyhow I appriciate it.

[henry296]

Lots of paired votes:

Me - SackAttack
Vince - Kingfc22
MrBug - Ardent
Cartman - saldana

Not sure what to make of it, but I found it interesting.

[Raiders Army]

it does mean a little, being I was a mafia in the last game. usually you sit back and see what is said and done before you cast a vote, but you also don't want to be last or look like you were piling on. It just gives me a quick look at who voted whom and when. Mabey it will only help me, but thanks anyhow I appriciate it.
While I think you're way too lazy, it certainly indicates that you're a villager since you are trying to do some type of analysis. :)

I'm glad I didn't vote for you, since I thought either RPI and you were pretty quiet (I didn't see his post with his vote earlier, doh!)

[SackAttack]

While I think you're way too lazy, it certainly indicates that you're a villager since you are trying to do some type of analysis. :)

I'm glad I didn't vote for you, since I thought either RPI and you were pretty quiet (I didn't see his post with his vote earlier, doh!)

The attempt to figure out who's a wolf based on when during the first day they cast their vote strikes me a little bit like Vizzini and the wine. "Such and such, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me."

By intimating that the Mafia may try to vote in the middle to avoid arousing suspicion as early or late voters, wouldn't it make sense if they cast an early or late vote precisely because nobody expects them to do something so obvious?

[SnDvls]

By intimating that the Mafia may try to vote in the middle to avoid arousing suspicion as early or late voters, wouldn't it make sense if they cast an early or late vote precisely because nobody expects them to do something so obvious?

see we broke that theory open by waiting for most if not all people to vote before talking about how we voted last mafia game. we also jumped all over two people (like you and I are doing now) who seemed to play against each other and debunked eachother's theories to keep suspision low on us.

I'm not saying they are doing this now, it's just something to think about on day 1 and to get the conversation going.

[SackAttack]

see we broke that theory open by waiting for most if not all people to vote before talking about how we voted last mafia game. we also jumped all over two people (like you and I are doing now) who seemed to play against each other and debunked eachother's theories to keep suspision low on us.

I'm not saying they are doing this now, it's just something to think about on day 1 and to get the conversation going.

I'm not jumping all over anybody at this point. I could just as easily throw a dart at a list of names and vote that way.

The point I'm trying to make is that trying to derive a pattern on day one really achieves very little. Statistically, there's about an 85% chance we nuke an innocent villager today. Voting patterns, particularly with school getting back in swing for folks (we started last week), don't necessarily mean as much as they might have in, say, mid-July.

[Lathum]

Lots of paired votes:

Me - SackAttack
Vince - Kingfc22
MrBug - Ardent
Cartman - saldana

Not sure what to make of it, but I found it interesting.
I also find this interesting. Wouldn't it be clever for 2 mafia guys to say "hey, lets vote for each other on the first day, we won't be at to much risk since the vote is spread around so much. That way, down the road, if one of us gets lynched the other can say, hey, look back. I am innocent, I voted for that guy the first day"

It could certainly buy them some time

[pennywisesb]

Sorry guys, I'm working at the fire station today and so my analysis and input are going to be very limited. I just got a chance to look over what everyone has said, but as usual on day one, no one is standing out to me. Since Bek hasn't really had much to say I'm gonna go ahead and cast my vote towards him with basically no reason other than him being quite so early.

Vote Bek

[SnDvls]

I'm not jumping all over anybody at this point. I could just as easily throw a dart at a list of names and vote that way.

The point I'm trying to make is that trying to derive a pattern on day one really achieves very little. Statistically, there's about an 85% chance we nuke an innocent villager today. Voting patterns, particularly with school getting back in swing for folks (we started last week), don't necessarily mean as much as they might have in, say, mid-July.


I'm not saying you were, but the mafia could turn it into that as I/we did in the last game with BearCat and you. Anyhow like I said it's something to look at for me at least.

[SackAttack]

I'm not saying you were, but the mafia could turn it into that as I/we did in the last game with BearCat and you. Anyhow like I said it's something to look at for me at least.

I wasn't aware that I really had a dispute with Bearcat last time. I couldn't get a handle on him, he was changing votes so frequently.

[SnDvls]

I wasn't aware that I really had a dispute with Bearcat last time. I couldn't get a handle on him, he was changing votes so frequently.


Here's how I played it. You were helping the villagers trying to get some thought and he disputed your theory or thoughts. I played it up to him being a mafia as he had voted for you and you were being helpful. Anyhow if we keep up this discussion two things could happen. 1) others join in and we get the mafia fast or 2) we become targets as we are talking and stirring up too much.

[SackAttack]

Here's how I played it. You were helping the villagers trying to get some thought and he disputed your theory or thoughts. I played it up to him being a mafia as he had voted for you and you were being helpful. Anyhow if we keep up this discussion two things could happen. 1) others join in and we get the mafia fast or 2) we become targets as we are talking and stirring up too much.

Oh, I see what you mean. I wasn't entirely clear on what you were saying in your earlier post. I understand now.

[saldana]

I also find this interesting. Wouldn't it be clever for 2 mafia guys to say "hey, lets vote for each other on the first day, we won't be at to much risk since the vote is spread around so much. That way, down the road, if one of us gets lynched the other can say, hey, look back. I am innocent, I voted for that guy the first day"

It could certainly buy them some time


or you could just make of it exactly what i said before...cartman was trying to stir up trouble by singling someone out, he chose me, probably hoping i wouldnt know how to respond, in an effort to deter us from thinking about him...thus my retaliatory vote.

[digamma]

:D
I still don't get it.

[Vince]

Well, I got off work plenty early, so I'm back and willing to change my vote if anything comes up.

I also find this interesting. Wouldn't it be clever for 2 mafia guys to say "hey, lets vote for each other on the first day, we won't be at to much risk since the vote is spread around so much. That way, down the road, if one of us gets lynched the other can say, hey, look back. I am innocent, I voted for that guy the first day"

It could certainly buy them some time
Coming from someone who is possibly "utilizing the strategy" this might not mean much...

...but seriously, how much weight do you think a day 1 vote would count for later in the game? If someone were to come under suspicion later in the game, and say "But look, I voted for a wolf on day 1," do you think that would carry a lot of weight? I certainly would take said statement with a grain of salt.

That's just me though :)

[SackAttack]

Well, I got off work plenty early, so I'm back and willing to change my vote if anything comes up.


Coming from someone who is possibly "utilizing the strategy" this might not mean much...

...but seriously, how much weight do you think a day 1 vote would count for later in the game? If someone were to come under suspicion later in the game, and say "But look, I voted for a wolf on day 1," do you think that would carry a lot of weight? I certainly would take said statement with a grain of salt.

That's just me though :)

Agreed. Now if it happened on day two or three, it carries more weight.

[Lathum]

Well, I got off work plenty early, so I'm back and willing to change my vote if anything comes up.


Coming from someone who is possibly "utilizing the strategy" this might not mean much...

...but seriously, how much weight do you think a day 1 vote would count for later in the game? If someone were to come under suspicion later in the game, and say "But look, I voted for a wolf on day 1," do you think that would carry a lot of weight? I certainly would take said statement with a grain of salt.

That's just me though :)
How am I utilizing that strategy?


dubb voted for me, I didn't vote for him?

and I don't put to much stock in day one.

[Vince]

Oh, and as a postscript...

...on a day in which there is not much to go by, someone voting for you is a pretty good reason to vote for them, in my book. I hold nothing against kingfc22 for voting against me -- I don't like it, but there's really no "evidence" today.

[Vince]

How am I utilizing that strategy?


dubb voted for me, I didn't vote for him?

and I don't put to much stock in day one.
No, my "defense" is coming from someone who might be utilizing the strategy, since kingfc22 voted for me.

[Lathum]

Oh, and as a postscript...

...on a day in which there is not much to go by, someone voting for you is a pretty good reason to vote for them, in my book. I hold nothing against kingfc22 for voting against me -- I don't like it, but there's really no "evidence" today.
I agree 100%, I am just throwing it out there.

And if I am whacked tonight, I would look at one of those 8 people :)

[Lathum]

No, my "defense" is coming from someone who might be utilizing the strategy, since kingfc22 voted for me.
oh, I get it now

[Lathum]

BTW, if it seems like I am really active, I am just trying to get to 2000 posts :)

[dubb93]

what the hell is the vote count?

[Mr. Wednesday]

I think the most recent count is back a couple of pages. Currently, Blade and Bek are tied with two votes. (Which seems oddly fitting...)

[henry296]

Unvote SackAttack
vote bek

[Barkeep49]

Never mind this post. Can't update chart at the moment.

[Blade6119]

ill vote bek in an act of self-preservation...sorry matt

[Vince]

So that moves Bek into the lead at 3, and SackAttack drops down to 0 votes against?

[Raiders Army]

Interesting turn of events.

[saldana]

with blade's vote, bek now has 4

[SackAttack]

I thought it was tied at 3 apiece between Bek and Blade. I'd have to go look it over again to be sure.

[Vince]

I think it was 2 to 2, but then Henry switched (from you, Josh) and Blade voted for Bek as well, so Bek now has 4.

[SackAttack]

I think it was 2 to 2, but then Henry switched (from you, Josh) and Blade voted for Bek as well, so Bek now has 4.

That has to be where my mistake was. I misread and thought he was unvoting me and voting for Blade. Stupid names-which-begin-with-B.

[SackAttack]

Ack. I have to eat and then be at school in 15 minutes.

I'll be back around 10:30 pm. Good luck, guys!

[Barkeep49]

with blade's vote, bek now has 4
Who are the four? I only have three.

[Mr. Wednesday]

The two he had already, plus henry and Blade.

[pennywisesb]

Henry, any explanation on why you switched?

[henry296]

Didn't want a tie vote and felt bek was a better choice than blade.

[Lathum]

almost 9:00

anyone not vote yet?

[Mr. Wednesday]

I don't think RealDeal ever voted.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Dola, bek hasn't voted either.

[RealDeal]

Sorry. The deadline snuck up on me. I'll vote for bek, but I have no reason to do so other than avoiding a tie.

vote bek

[Neon_Chaos]

Vote Results: (Votes after 9PM do not count)

bek - digamma, pennywisesb, henry296, blade6119
blade6119 - Lathum, barkeep49
ardent enthusiast - mrbug708
saldana - cartman
kingfc22 - Vince
cartman - saldana
vince - kingfc22
henry296 - sackattack
mrbug708 - ardent enthusiast
barkeep49 - rpi-fan
realdeal - mr. w
raiders army - sndvls
lathum - dubb93
rpi-fan - raiders army

You all gather around bek, who professes his innocence. Noone listens. He is quickly strung up and you hang him from the same place where Neon_Chaos was found! He struggles for a few seconds, before having the life sucked out of him. You look through his belongings, and look around his room... it is clear that Bek was a Villager!

1. kingfc22
2. Blade6119
3. Vince
4. SackAttack
5. MrBug708
6. dubb93
7. ardent enthusiast
8. raiders army
9. Lathum
10. saldana
11. Mr. Wednesday
12. henry296
13. digamma
14. cartman
15. RealDeal
16. Barkeep49
17. <STRIKE>Bek</STRIKE> - Villager, lynched Day 1
18. pennywisesb
19. RPI-Fan
20. SnDvls

You all head back to your homes... fearing the worst! IT IS NOW NIGHT(1), KINDLY SEND IN YOUR NIGHT ACTIONS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. Thanks. :) Deadline is at 9AM EDT.

edit: sorry for the mix-up in votes.

[Lathum]

sorry Bek. If anyone knows how you feel it's me

[digamma]

My apologies as well--especially since I was the first vote for Bek.

Here's hoping we can get some (safe) shut-eye tonight.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Hey, this is a WW game. Nobody's safe tonight. :)

[MrBug708]

Always sucks to die the first day and for no reason.

[henry296]

Sorry bek... just the luck of the draw.

[Barkeep49]

A most unfortunate event as are most first day lynchings.

[Lathum]

has bek even posted in this thread?

[pennywisesb]

Well, apparently luck is not on our side today.....Sorry Bek

[Mr. Wednesday]

I don't believe Bek posted after signing up. That sucks, though, dying early isn't much fun at all.

[Barkeep49]

I don't believe Bek posted after signing up. That sucks, though, dying early isn't much fun at all.
I believe you are correct which makes this the second best outcome. The game is more fun with active participants.

[kingfc22]

Well that was no good. Hopefully we do better tomorrow.

[SackAttack]

bek - digamma, pennywisesb, sackattack, blade6119
blade6119 - Lathum, barkeep49
ardent enthusiast - mrbug708
saldana - cartman
kingfc22 - Vince
cartman - saldana
vince - kingfc22
sackattack - henry296
mrbug708 - ardent enthusiast
barkeep49 - rpi-fan
realdeal - mr. w
raiders army - sndvls
lathum - dubb93
rpi-fan - raiders army[/b]

I'm confused here. I didn't vote for bek, and yet my name is listed after his. Henry voted for me originally, but changed his vote to Bek, and yet his name is listed after mine. Little clarification, please?

[SackAttack]

Dola,

Not that it matters much tonight, since Bek was apparently going to get lynched anyway, but having votes listed incorrectly could make a difference later on. How much would it suck to see an innocent villager get lynched because people piled on incorrectly believing he voted for somebody he didn't?

[Mr. Wednesday]

The count is correct, but the votes involving you and henry were not recorded correctly. You voted for henry, rather than vice versa, and henry (not you) voted for Bek.

[Neon_Chaos]

The night passes quickly... you hear only one distinct noise... a horrifying scream that pieces your ears.

As you walk out, you notice that two men are missing. You see SnDvls' body hanging by the neck in front of his house, his belongings all over the floor. He is obviously NOT going to vote tonight. SnDvls has died!

You then look for Vince, he is not in his room, and everything inside it is smashed beyond identification. You follow a trail of blood, it goes out of the house and into a small clearance down the road. Vince's mangled body lies there, his face half-gone, his flesh torn apart... as if he was feasted upon. Vince has died!

You all start feeling quite uneasy... the hanging you could understand... but this? This is not something of the ordinary... what was the priest talking about?

1. kingfc22
2. Blade6119
3. <STRIKE>Vince</STRIKE> - ???, killed Night 1
4. SackAttack
5. MrBug708
6. dubb93
7. ardent enthusiast
8. raiders army
9. Lathum
10. saldana
11. Mr. Wednesday
12. henry296
13. digamma
14. cartman
15. RealDeal
16. Barkeep49
17. <STRIKE>Bek</STRIKE> - Villager, lynched Day 1
18. pennywisesb
19. RPI-Fan
20. <STRIKE>SnDvls</STRIKE> - ???, killed Night 1

IT IS NOW DAY(2)! VOTES ARE DUE AT 9PM EDT!

[Vince]

Sweet.

[Raiders Army]

Crap. We wasted Day 1 votes. I wasn't thinking straight yesterday, but when we spread out the votes, we didn't establish any voting patterns. I suggest that we do so today.

[Poli]

Well, I'm good as dead. I don't have a clue who to vote for next.

[Barkeep49]

Well it seems as though not only does our fine village have a crime problem it also has a wolf problem. Alas.

[Raiders Army]

Does the werewolf and the mafia know who each other are?

[Raiders Army]

Well, I'm good as dead. I don't have a clue who to vote for next.
I'm sorry but I don't understand. Why are you good as dead?

[henry296]

I am much more afraid now that there are both Mafia and Werewolves.

[saldana]

to say this is an interesting development would be an understatement. the best we can hope for now is that the wolf got a mafioso last night (or does in the future)

[henry296]

Still wary of how SackAttack responded to my posts yesterday, so I am going to stay with him. I'm going to be a little busy during the day, so I think I'll get my vote in early.

VOTE SackAttack

[Lathum]

Wow. Any of you mafia guys got any spare silver bullets?

[Barkeep49]

Still wary of how SackAttack responded to my posts yesterday, so I am going to stay with him. I'm going to be a little busy during the day, so I think I'll get my vote in early.

VOTE SackAttack
Well that does it for me. Here is a guy who "knew" Blade wasn't a bad guy yesterday. Initially this would lead me to believe that he's the seer or a mafiosio. When he wasn't killed last night I already was thinking of him. But now that he comes out swinging today and we find out that he is now MORE likely to be a bad guy (2 out 3) than a good guy? I vote Henry

[Raiders Army]

Well that does it for me. Here is a guy who "knew" Blade wasn't a bad guy yesterday. Initially this would lead me to believe that he's the seer or a mafiosio. When he wasn't killed last night I already was thinking of him. But now that he comes out swinging today and we find out that he is now MORE likely to be a bad guy (2 out 3) than a good guy? I vote Henry
After re-reading what henry was talking about yesterday, I have to agree with you. What gut feeling is he talking about? Also, it looks as if he's trying to shake things up.

FWIW, after being on the bad guys' side two games in a row gives me a little insight as to how they play the game. What we tried to do is keep it quiet unless one of us was threatened...and maybe not even then. That being said, I think henry is just too "out there" to be a wolf or mafia guy.

I would like to hear about what his gut feeling about Blade was.

[Barkeep49]

After re-reading what henry was talking about yesterday, I have to agree with you. What gut feeling is he talking about? Also, it looks as if he's trying to shake things up.

FWIW, after being on the bad guys' side two games in a row gives me a little insight as to how they play the game. What we tried to do is keep it quiet unless one of us was threatened...and maybe not even then. That being said, I think henry is just too "out there" to be a wolf or mafia guy.

I would like to hear about what his gut feeling about Blade was.
Honestly I still think he might be the seer. If it had just been Mafia and villagers I would have just sat back and watched what he did. But with two evil groups out there I think voting Henry is +EV :). If something more convincing comes along I will definitely be willing to change my vote.

[Lathum]

Well that does it for me. Here is a guy who "knew" Blade wasn't a bad guy yesterday. Initially this would lead me to believe that he's the seer or a mafiosio. When he wasn't killed last night I already was thinking of him. But now that he comes out swinging today and we find out that he is now MORE likely to be a bad guy (2 out 3) than a good guy? I vote Henry
I does strike me as odd that Henry wasn't whacked last night. I would think if he was the seer the mafia would want him out early. I am holding off on my vote for now because the seer is such a valuable asset to us, but I would like to hear an explination from Henry why he made this play so early on in the game when his alleged talents can help us alot more down the road.

[digamma]

Wow.

This should be an interesting game.

[henry296]

Honestly I still think he might be the seer. If it had just been Mafia and villagers I would have just sat back and watched what he did. But with two evil groups out there I think voting Henry is +EV :). If something more convincing comes along I will definitely be willing to change my vote.

This is not a poker game :) This is my "life" we are talking about and it shouldn't be a EV decision.

I will admit, I was a bit surprised that I wasn't killed last night, but perhaps the mafia/werewolves thought I might be protected so they went for someone else.

[Lathum]

This is not a poker game :) This is my "life" we are talking about and it shouldn't be a EV decision.

I will admit, I was a bit surprised that I wasn't killed last night, but perhaps the mafia/werewolves thought I might be protected so they went for someone else.
can you explain your strategy for outing yourself so early?

[Raiders Army]

This is not a poker game :) This is my "life" we are talking about and it shouldn't be a EV decision.

I will admit, I was a bit surprised that I wasn't killed last night, but perhaps the mafia/werewolves thought I might be protected so they went for someone else.
Just for the record, you are the seer or are you not the seer?

[saldana]

Just for the record, you are the seer or are you not the seer?
do we really want an anwser to that question already? if he is the seer, the ret. ofc. can only protect him once before the mafia can get him, and even if the mafia cant get him, we dont know if the werewolf is stopped by the ret. ofc. or not, so if he doesnt get whacked, he can still get eaten. i would think the seer should remain under the radar for a bit more.

[Raiders Army]

do we really want an anwser to that question already? if he is the seer, the ret. ofc. can only protect him once before the mafia can get him, and even if the mafia cant get him, we dont know if the werewolf is stopped by the ret. ofc. or not, so if he doesnt get whacked, he can still get eaten. i would think the seer should remain under the radar for a bit more.
Well, in my mind, he's already gone 9/10ths of the way there and has made himself a target. He should have thought of remaining under the radar before he responded today. He could have just explained it as a gut feeling as opposed to saying what he did.

[saldana]

from my humble villagers perspective, the only people who would want that information so clearly defined are the ones that wear black silk ties on black shirts.

[Raiders Army]

from my humble villagers perspective, the only people who would want that information so clearly defined are the ones that wear black silk ties on black shirts.
Whatever you want to think. I'd rather know outright we can trust him or not. The bad guys know he's not one of them. The more information we have, the better our chances are. If we know for sure he's the seer, then we can at least protect him tonight.

[pennywisesb]

Wow, thats quite a twist, mafioso and werewolves....This should be fun. I also agree with Saldana here, it seems as though the only people who would want the info on Henry so early would be mafioso.

[Lathum]

Whatever you want to think. I'd rather know outright we can trust him or not. The bad guys know he's not one of them. The more information we have, the better our chances are. If we know for sure he's the seer, then we can at least protect him tonight.
there are 2 problems I see with this.

1. even if he says he is the seer how do we know he is telling the truth?
2. we can only protect him tonight, so unless he gets very lucky and spots a mafia guy tonight he is dead tomorrow.

I am currently leaning towards him being the seer at this point, but I still would like an explination. When you break it down, Henry is basicly commiting suicide.

[SackAttack]

You know, I almost fear Neon_Chaos more than I do SirFozzie at this point. I knew Foz could be an evil bastard, but this...this borders on genius.

[MrBug708]

That's quite a turn...

[Raiders Army]

Wow, thats quite a twist, mafioso and werewolves....This should be fun. I also agree with Saldana here, it seems as though the only people who would want the info on Henry so early would be mafioso.
Here are the possibilities:

1. henry is the seer and we can trust him and need to protect him. The advantage we have is that the wolves and mafia don't know when the bodyguard will protect him.

2. henry is not the seer but a simple villager. The only reason why I can think of that he would make this claim would be to protect the real seer...but if he's trying to protect the seer, it might be better to "reveal" that he is a seer.

3. henry is a bad guy. It's the perfect cover for a bad guy. When he doesn't get whacked, well the bodyguard protected him.

At this point, only one person knows for sure what he is: henry. If he's a good guy, then the wolves and mafia know that he's either possibility 1 or 2 above. If he's a bad guy, then the wolves definitely know he's possibility 3.

[Raiders Army]

there are 2 problems I see with this.

1. even if he says he is the seer how do we know he is telling the truth?
2. we can only protect him tonight, so unless he gets very lucky and spots a mafia guy tonight he is dead tomorrow.

I am currently leaning towards him being the seer at this point, but I still would like an explination. When you break it down, Henry is basicly commiting suicide.
Good points. I just wonder why leaned this way so early.

[pennywisesb]

You know, I almost fear Neon_Chaos more than I do SirFozzie at this point. I knew Foz could be an evil bastard, but this...this borders on genius.

I agree. I'm really glad I got in on this one. It should be quite interesting....Oh yeah, and Sack, the 3B I'm going to pick in the DKBL draft is going to be a Dodger killer ;)

[SackAttack]

I agree. I'm really glad I got in on this one. It should be quite interesting....Oh yeah, and Sack, the 3B I'm going to pick in the DKBL draft is going to be a Dodger killer ;)

I'll let the DA know.

As for henry, it's a dangerous game he's playing. He claims to be the seer, which is a possibility, but why out yourself so early?

1) This is Neon_Chaos running the game, and we don't know what to expect from him.
2) Last time most of the important villager roles got nuked early, and it was a bloodbath. Dare we risk that happening again by henry outing himself if he really is the seer?
3) With the presence of a wolf in the game, we don't necessarily know the truth if he dies in a night action. We still haven't gotten an answer to whether or not the wolf and the Mafia know each other.

I'm willing to give henry the benefit of the doubt for now, just because there's so much we don't know,

[pennywisesb]

Its alittle quiet around here.

[kingfc22]

Wow. Did not see that coming. So I'm gonna guess we are probably looking at 2 mafiosos and 2 wolves?

[Raiders Army]

Wow. Did not see that coming. So I'm gonna guess we are probably looking at 2 mafiosos and 2 wolves?
With the number of people starting the game, there could possibly be a sorceror out there as well. There are too many unknowns at this point.

[Mr. Wednesday]

I'm going to be pretty sparse with my participation today, because I have an important paper to write -- it's for my "comprehensive evaluation" to decide if I get to stay in the PhD program here.

I can't really say that I have any insight, other than that it looks like our odds of randomly picking off a bad guy just went up. :p It's still very much a crapshoot, and if there were any patterns worthy of note yesterday, I didn't see them (but then, my record isn't all that good when I do see patterns...).

I'm not inclined to go after Henry, at the moment. Down the road, maybe we need to worry about another Blade-like play, but I think it's a day too early to be worrying about that.

I would like to add that putting both wolves and mafia in one game is a brilliant move. :D

[Mr. Wednesday]

With the number of people starting the game, there could possibly be a sorceror out there as well. There are too many unknowns at this point.There was a "turncoat" identified as an initial role. With dual bad guy types, some "sorceror" type wouldn't be a shock either.

[dubb93]

After the experience with Blade and Illinifan in the last game I don't believe anyone about their roles anymore. I have a really hard time believing Henry is a seer and would already out himself.

[pennywisesb]

After the experience with Blade and Illinifan in the last game I don't believe anyone about their roles anymore. I have a really hard time believing Henry is a seer and would already out himself.

It is a very interesting play. I think its alittle fishy as well and could possibly be following along the lines of Blade from last game.

[Raiders Army]

After the experience with Blade and Illinifan in the last game I don't believe anyone about their roles anymore. I have a really hard time believing Henry is a seer and would already out himself.
As do I. We aren't getting anywhere right now. I'll walk out there.

Vote henry296

I'll change my vote if there's information to the contrary, but something doesn't feel right about henry in that he would allude or out himself so early.

[Lathum]

After the experience with Blade and Illinifan in the last game I don't believe anyone about their roles anymore. I have a really hard time believing Henry is a seer and would already out himself.
i just don't see what he has to gain

[henry296]

I am really surprised that as many people took my comment that I am surprised to be alive as an admission of being the seer. However, those of you that did are very perceptive. I am one of the investigators and the reason I can come clean today is that I was able to find one of the mafia last night during my investigations.

My early morning vote for SackAttack was because I investigated him last night and discovered a gun in his room. He is a member of the mafia.

The reason I made my comments yesterday about blade, was because he was my night zero investigation. With his reputation, I wanted to be sure of his status. Very good of digamma to pick up on my hint yesterday. I guess subtlety is not my greatest strength.

I am not playing games. I am out looking for the mafia and found my initial accuser SackAttack to be one of them. I encourage everyone to trust me and vote to hang him tonight.

[Lathum]

I am really surprised that as many people took my comment that I am surprised to be alive as an admission of being the seer. However, those of you that did are very perceptive. I am one of the investigators and the reason I can come clean today is that I was able to find one of the mafia last night during my investigations.

My early morning vote for SackAttack was because I investigated him last night and discovered a gun in his room. He is a member of the mafia.

The reason I made my comments yesterday about blade, was because he was my night zero investigation. With his reputation, I wanted to be sure of his status. Very good of digamma to pick up on my hint yesterday. I guess subtlety is not my greatest strength.

I am not playing games. I am out looking for the mafia and found my initial accuser SackAttack to be one of them. I encourage everyone to trust me and vote to hang him tonight.

ok, I am by no means defending sackAttack, having been falsely "outed" last game I am a little leary of jumping all over someone when an accusation is made.

As I have been saying, I belive Henry is the investigator and am leaning towards beliving him, my only question is this

Isn't it possible the retired police officer has a gun?

[pennywisesb]

Isn't it possible the retired police officer has a gun?

Interesting point.

[pennywisesb]

At this point I'm also hesitant to jump on any bandwagons after what blade pulled with bek last game. I'm also thinking along the lines of Lathum too because it seems as though the retired police officer could have a gun too. Plus, with all the twists Neon is throwing at us, we have to be careful of who we are accusing here. My suspicion meter has definately increased towards Sack however.

[RPI-Fan]

ok, I am by no means defending sackAttack, having been falsely "outed" last game I am a little leary of jumping all over someone when an accusation is made.

As I have been saying, I belive Henry is the investigator and am leaning towards beliving him, my only question is this

Isn't it possible the retired police officer has a gun?

I agree, that some clarification here would be nice.

However, the way I see it, every time more momentum goes toward lynching henry, he comes up with a bigger and bigger surprise. Does seem a little shady, to me.

I do think at this point, we can't risk lynching someone who might pick out another bad guy (wolf or mafia) for us. I'm leaning SackAttack for the moment, because it's basically the only thing we have to go on.

[Raiders Army]

I am really surprised that as many people took my comment that I am surprised to be alive as an admission of being the seer. However, those of you that did are very perceptive. I am one of the investigators and the reason I can come clean today is that I was able to find one of the mafia last night during my investigations.

My early morning vote for SackAttack was because I investigated him last night and discovered a gun in his room. He is a member of the mafia.

The reason I made my comments yesterday about blade, was because he was my night zero investigation. With his reputation, I wanted to be sure of his status. Very good of digamma to pick up on my hint yesterday. I guess subtlety is not my greatest strength.

I am not playing games. I am out looking for the mafia and found my initial accuser SackAttack to be one of them. I encourage everyone to trust me and vote to hang him tonight.

Before I change my vote, did you find a gun and he's a member of the mafia or did you find a gun and conclude he's a member of the mafia? Big difference.

Also, you didn't come out and defend yourself until I voted for you, although you've read the thread a few times today. Strange.

[saldana]

henry's statements leave us with two possibilites
1. he is telling the truth, and we should hang sackattack tonight
2. he is lying, which has numerous permutations.

i would have to think about this, and one thing that does interest me is the fact that sackattack was very concerned last night about making sure the voting record was correct, in a way wanting to make sure no un-needed attention was brought on himself as someone responsible for a lynching. to me, the people that are trying to hide are the ones that ususally have something worthy of hiding, so i will take henry at his word tonight, and if he is lying, he will get his tommorrow

vote: sackattack

[Raiders Army]

Investigator - You are a local Investigator, hearing rumors of Mafia in the village. You may choose one person each night to view, to check if he is a member of the Mafia.

Here's a question for Neon. Can the Investigator check to see if the villagers are wolves as well?

[saldana]

dola...

but that doesnt mean i still dont wonder about why raidersarmy was so intent on confirmation of the seers' identity...maybe something for henry to look at if he isnt lying and lives through the night

[pennywisesb]

However, the way I see it, every time more momentum goes toward lynching henry, he comes up with a bigger and bigger surprise. Does seem a little shady, to me.


This is an interesting piont as well.

[MrBug708]

Interesting new development. Henry has a history in past mafia games of havin ghis role revealed early so it's nothing really new this time. I'd still like to hear what Sack has to say before I decide.

[MrBug708]

However, the way I see it, every time more momentum goes toward lynching henry, he comes up with a bigger and bigger surprise. Does seem a little shady, to me.



Didn't the mafia just hang someone? No one has died by gunshot yet, have they?

[SnDvls]

well it was fun all...remember stir up trouble :)

[Mr. Wednesday]

At this point, the numbers are very much in our favor as far as going along with Henry. Late in the game, it may not be feasible to do a one-for-one trade if he proves untrustworthy, but I think it's a worthwhile risk to take right now -- and not a substantial risk, at that.

Vote SackAttack

[Mr. Wednesday]

Er, wait. "Has a gun" could indicate police, too. I'm going to back off until I get further clarification.

Unvote SackAttack

[digamma]

While I agree that timing of the revelation can certainly be questioned, we don't have much else to go on at this point in the game.

Vote SackAttack.

[saldana]

Er, wait. "Has a gun" could indicate police, too. I'm going to back off until I get further clarification.

Unvote SackAttack

i would hope neon chaos would make it a little easier to tell the cop, like having a badge, medals, or a picture of the officer in uniform(every cop i know has one of these in their house) in his room, instead of just a gun, so i am sticking with my original vote.

[henry296]

During my nightly investigation, I went into Sack's room, saw the insignia of the mob and a gun. As the investigator I am told the role of each person I investigate. Blade is a villager and SackAttack is with the mafia.

[Raiders Army]

dola...

but that doesnt mean i still dont wonder about why raidersarmy was so intent on confirmation of the seers' identity...maybe something for henry to look at if he isnt lying and lives through the night
Uh...didn't I spell that out enough for ya, saladana, Lakum's friend?

[Raiders Army]

During my nightly investigation, I went into Sack's room, saw the insignia of the mob and a gun. As the investigator I am told the role of each person I investigate. Blade is a villager and SackAttack is with the mafia.
Okay then.

unvote henry296
Vote Sackattack

You'd better be right, matey.

[Raiders Army]

Dola, I'm gone for a bit, but I'll check back in before I go home.

[RPI-Fan]

Every time there is a "nothing else to go on statement", things usually turn out bad for us (aka we lynch a villager). I'd rather think about this a little further before blindly following henry, and lynching SackAttack.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Good point Saldana, I wasn't thinking all that clearly. But Henry's reply also tells me what I wanted to know, that it was a "conviction" rather than an "inference" that SackAttack is mafia.

Vote SackAttack

[henry296]

Okay then.

unvote henry296
Vote Sackattack

You'd better be right, matey.

I know the consequences if I am wrong and I wouldn't be willing to take that chance.

[kingfc22]

I'm going to have to go with henry on this one. I believe him and I feel the risk/reward ratio is still good at this point.

Vote SackAttack

[Barkeep49]

unvote Henry I would like to hear Sack's defense as well before I recast my vote.

[Barkeep49]

Dola -- Almost everything adds up here, and while there is a counter explanation, which is why I wait to hear from Sack before condemning him, I guess I'm just happy that despite the slight slip-up of henry yesterday that neither of the evil factions even attempted to kill him.

[pennywisesb]

Does anyone know if Sack will be on? I know he has class some days and stuff. I'm also interested to explain his defense.

[Lathum]

I to am going to hold off until I hear Sack's defense.

[kingfc22]

Dola -- Almost everything adds up here, and while there is a counter explanation...
So what you are saying is if SackAttack comes out and claims he is the retired officer than we should all believe him...http://dynamic.gamespy.com/%7Efof/forums/images/smilies/confused.gif

[kingfc22]

dola - We have already given him his"out" and he would dumb not to try and take it.

[Lathum]

All I am saying is in the last game I had the mask of lies which made me look like a werewolf to the seer when I was really a villager and before I had a chance to defend myself the bandwagon had started and we lost a villager. I just don't want to make a hasty descion.

[Poli]

Vote sackattack

RA, I meant I don't know which way to vote. If henry is telling the truth, then we have a way to vote now. :)

[Barkeep49]

dola - We have already given him his"out" and he would dumb not to try and take it.
Ok of course he's going to say "No he's evil not me". It's how he presents his evidence that's important. I made the mistake once of rushing to judgement (see my quick vote for henry) before I listened for an explanation. I don't want to do it again.

[Blade6119]

Interesting new development. Henry has a history in past mafia games of havin ghis role revealed early so it's nothing really new this time. I'd still like to hear what Sack has to say before I decide.

FYI, this is the exact same thing you said about my "seer role reveal" last game...and it couldnt have been further off...like poker, you have to tell the truth some times so you can bluff other times...dont rely too much on the past or you will be taken for a fast one like i pulled last game...now, i tend to believe him since i know im a villager...and i guess i take him scanning me on night one a compliment that im a good player everyone has to watch out for.

Im weary, but for the sole reason that he got my role right im going to trust him for now...henry partially saved my village ass yesterday, and he did it after knowing i was good...so for now hes on my innocent till proven guilty team...

[SackAttack]

If you guys'll notice, two folks had screwed up votes last night. Mine was one of them, certainly, but I think it's important to keep things absolutely straight for everybody. False aspersions can lead to innocent deaths, and nobody wants that.

As for henry's accusation, I'm a little bit curious why he's deciding to center on me. On the basis of a first-day vote? He just all of a sudden decides I'm fishy and that I need to be investigated?

That presumes he's even telling the truth about his role.

Consider further that we have the revelation of multiple "bad guy" factions right now. The Mafia and, quite likely, a Werewolf.

Now let's say that henry is a seer or the Investigator, or whatever you please. In light of the information that there are *two* factions to beware of, what does it benefit henry to reveal his role on day two, knowing that at *best*, it means he's taking down one of three or four bad guy roles (and do we really know that of the 17 remaining villagers, that only three or four are bad guys)?

Could there be other factions whose roles have yet to be revealed that are more than just 'simple villagers'? The Mafia are in to take over the town. How do we know there aren't two Mob factions, rival gangs, if you will?

Finally, what did I do last game? I provided analysis, I was outspoken, and my hypothesis was eventually proven correct. If henry is lying, doesn't it become possible that he maybe wants me out of the game before I can deduce the truth about him?

I can claim my innocence, but what good does that really do? Either you believe I'm a useful asset to the villagers and that henry is making an inexplicable play, or you believe that henry is true and correct, in which case it becomes a matter of "methinks the lady doth protest too much."

henry's making a mistake, and I think he might be making more than one mistake. That's just me, though.

[SackAttack]

Incidentally, I'm done with class for the day, but I am working on writing a couple of newspaper articles for the school paper. I'll be checking in throughout the day to see what's going on.

[RPI-Fan]

Not good enough for me.

Vote SackAttack

[RealDeal]

What else to do here?

vote sackattack

[SackAttack]

Not good enough for me.

Vote SackAttack

I think if you were inclined to vote for me in the first place, there isn't anything I could have said that would have been good enough for you.

"Oh, look, henry's not the seer, I am! I investigated HIM last night, and he's the Mafia member, not me!"

Would that have been good enough?

"henry sure has a hairy back, if you know what I mean."

how about that?

My point is, if you're already leaning towards believing him to begin with, I'm really not sure what proof would have swayed you. All I'd say is the last time we had a guy claiming to be a seer, he turned out to be a member of the Mafia trying to confuse the issue.

The 'symbol of the Mafia' is an interesting choice of words, too. If the Mafia are coming *into* this town, how would he recognize it to begin with? Why would the Mob have a sigil anyway? Seems like a great way to get killed if you're trying to lay low.

But that's probably not enough to convince you either, because you're predisposed to take his side in the matter.