Werewolf XXX: The Ghost Council of Orzhova - Game Over - Game Ends Night Five

[tanglewood]

So how many do we think are left? 1 or 2 more? What's the chance they have converted someone?

[saldana]

good work today guys....i will try to be a little more helpful than last night's ghost who tried to point you all at me. ;) to blade

i only get one post, so i will try and make sure to remeber to cover everything...

what happened last night....as you may have noticed, in my corporeal life, i was insane...constantly plagued by voices in my head and paranoia...they were becoming increasingly worse as time went by. last night i attempted through a combination of magical and conventional medicine, to rid myself of these voices with the belief that had i succeeded, my former powers, which i cannot recall at this time, would have been restored to me. i hope you all can see that despite the outcome, i was acting in the best interests of the Orzhov in trying to cure myself. The death of AlanT was purely an act of a maniacal madman, and sheer chance that he stepped in front of me in my fit of lunacy. (although personally i dont really feel bad about it cause i still owed him one from when he was the brutal wolf and killed me)

now that i exist only on the ethereal plane, the maddness that held me in its grip is no more, and i have full command of my faculties, save the loss of my memories prior to my illness.

concerning tomorrow's suspect list, I think Chief Rum deserves some attention from you. His annoucement that he was a Devout Believer in the middle of the Hoopsguy/Fouts situation was completely unneccesary. It, coupled with the declaration of Hoops the next day that he scanned CR and found him to be devout, should be immediately questioned...i dont believe hoops did anything that night, including scan me. fouts was aware that he was being scanned, i received no such information, so either fouts had powers that i did not, or hoops was lying about his scans

i am apprehensive about trying to push though to the corporeal plane after last nights unmitigated disaster, so let me know if you think i should try it before the end of the night phase and i will do what you all think i should

[tanglewood]

Saldana, I am not sure if it is worth the risk you pushing through tommorow unless you have so key information to give us or get very, very concerned. The extra highliting on Chief Rum was very helpful indeed and only further increased my suspicions on him.

Also, if there is a bodyguard out there, I kindly request his protection tonight.

See you all in the morning. :)

[Swaggs]

So, we haven't really talked about why sal is the only one of the deceased members still in communication with us... anyone have any ideas?

[Barkeep49]

Saldana, I am not sure if it is worth the risk you pushing through tommorow unless you have so key information to give us or get very, very concerned. The extra highliting on Chief Rum was very helpful indeed and only further increased my suspicions on him.

Also, if there is a bodyguard out there, I kindly request his protection tonight.

See you all in the morning. :)
You and me both.

Swaggs: I have no real insight on that matter at this time, though I will say I believe it only to be a temporary ban based on the wording meaning that tomorrow we can benefit from the wisdom of our other deceased members, most notably Alan T. Or at least that's my hope since I think he could have some real guidance for us.

[st.cronin]

I think there's one left (Chief Rum?), and I don't believe there has been a succesful convert - we just have too much information about the night activities for that to have happened, imo.

[Abe Sargent]

As a reminder, all ghosts are silenced tonight due to the pyschic trauma earlier today unless they died after Alan T died (salanda and path are allowed their one post, should they choose to take it)

[Barkeep49]

I think there's one left (Chief Rum?), and I don't believe there has been a succesful convert - we just have too much information about the night activities for that to have happened, imo.
Refresh my memory: do we know what they were doing on Night 2? But I can only hope that we're down to just 1.

Also let me say on a note of metagaming: I hope CR is not a Dimir, though he does seem like our best suspect right now.

[st.cronin]

Night 2 was when they went after KWhit, wasn't it?

[KWhit]

Yes, I believe that is correct.

[Barkeep49]

Ahh yes. I had forgotten about that little incident. It does seem like the bad guys have been stymied at every turn in this game.

[Swaggs]

Here are my thoughts on Chief Rum:

The day that Fouts "won" the vote over hoops, CR was quite vocal that he would seek revenge on behalf of Fouts and indicated that he had the ability to do something about it. Now, I think most of us would have kept that information under wraps and just acted on it, if we intended to use it. But, CR is a rookie WW player, so perhaps he made a rookie mistake telegraphing his intentions. At the same time, I can see him just acting that way on the advice of a more experienced Dimiri teammate.

Complicating matters for me is the fact that I intercepted a spell intended for hoopsguy that same night and nullified it. Could that have been CR attempting to kill hoopsguy? I think so. Someone, presumably not a Dimiri since they would have already known hoops' identity and wouldn't have wanted to attack him, attempted to reach him with magic, so the question is who and for what reason?

[Barkeep49]

Swaggs do you know that what you interupted was hostile?

Something I didn't mention as I was saving it in case people started listening to path, was the idea that the seer would be a seer by nonmagical means. While many of us came out with the idea that doing a seer attempt on Hoops was a bad idea who's to say that this wasn't what was done? Alternatively I could see it being some sort of spell which was intended to help hoops carry out an evil deed and thus was a Dmir on Dmir spell in order to facilitate hoops' action.

Not to make too big of a deal of it, but I don't want to just open the door for CR to come in an do a "role reveal" only to be able to fake it because of all the clues he's been given.

[Swaggs]

I honestly do not know the intention of the spell, whether good or evil.

I do know that the night before, I blocked the spell that he was trying to perform, so he did not need any assistance to perform his magic, but I guess he could have been enhanced or something by it.

[Barkeep49]

I honestly do not know the intention of the spell, whether good or evil.

I do know that the night before, I blocked the spell that he was trying to perform, so he did not need any assistance to perform his magic, but I guess he could have been enhanced or something by it.
Well that actually played into my thinking. As you were able to block his spell, perhaps the Dimir can "team up" to make it more likely that their spell goes through, though at some risk to the supporting spellcaster?. We've seen this in other games.

[Chief Rum]

Go away for a day of work and other obligations, and when you come back, you're head might be on the block, I see.

It's ironic that the "role reveal" which may save me was suggested as possible by Barkeep just a few posts up here, because that is really what I must do. So now, no matter what I say, you will all no doubt be suspicious anyway.

I can say this for sure: if you kill me, you will lose the only chance to save that one last Dimir.

I feared this revelation would make me a target of the Dimir, which is why I did not reveal the specifics prior to this, but I am every bit as much the devout Orzhov believer that I claim to be, so devout that I can convert a Dimir to an Orzhov, one time in the game.

Swaggs is correct. I did attempt a magical attack on hoops that night (coincidentally, he sought me out to "check" my devotion), in order to convert hoops to an Orzhov. I did not know if he was a Dimir, but after the day's activities, I strongly suspected it.

Swaggs had, for whatever reason, chosen to protect hoops that night, and his protection stopped my intended conversion. I was told hoops never caught on to that, and that only I and Swaggs (well, who I later discovered to be Swaggs anyway) were aware of this exchange.

Swaggs early the next day asked me (publically) to keep quiet, not referring to me by name, and I did so. Swaggs' continued allusions to this encounter in the past few hours is again a reference to that same encounter.

I hope that I have given enough detail to clear me, although I now believe that I may become the number one target of the remaining Dimir, as I have a power which is worse to them than death--conversion to an Orzhov.

As for the revealing too early about my intentions or my revelation of being a devout believer, I must confess I probably ran too much with my first opportunity to actually interact in a WW game, and said too much. I did feel bad about the Fouts vote, and felt I had the ability to make things right (and maybe I would have, if Swaggs didn't protect hoops that night).

My late vote in that, BTW, was merely because of working all day. I couldn't even read the thread until right before deadline and had to make a rushed decision (and a bad one, unfortunately), I voted for Fouts, really, on a gut instinct.

Unfortunately, I am working both of my jobs tomorrow, and will be unlikely to be able to debate this throughout the day. I can only hope that some of this will ring true for you all, and that you won't waste a day on me that could be used looking for a Dimir (or a Gruul, if one exists here).

BTW, because Swaggs protected hoops that night, I still have my once-per-game ability to convert a Dimir. Like Alan T, I am unbribeable, so I cannot be turned by the Dimir. I can only be killed.

Hopefully this time tomorrow, I will still be alive, and the last Dimir dead.

[Barkeep49]

Well I like this reveal now, actually. Because it gives us something variable, it seems, by morning. And not just with Swaggs verifying CR, but also with Chief Rum giving us something from someone else.

[Abe Sargent]

The calm serenity of the evening belies you minds and hearts. What's happening? Have the last Dimir decided to scurry away, or is this merely the calm before the storm?


Night Four has ended, Day Five has begun, and will end at 9:00 pm EST Friday Night

[Abe Sargent]

What is the desire of the group regarding the weekend? If you want to play, I'll play, but I don;t want anybodu to feel forced to play on the weekend.

[KWhit]

Wow. A quiet night. That worries me (possible conversion).

[Chubby]

Nothing eventful for me last night.

[st.cronin]

A very quiet night. TOO quiet.

[Chubby]

Wow. A quiet night. That worries me (possible conversion).

That didn't happen.

[KWhit]

How do you know?

[Chubby]

KWhit - It's my role to know.

I was not approached with a bribe nor was I the one doing the approaching. There was a bribe attempt and it was unsuccessful.

[Chubby]

I have to be at work 1 - 10:30pm tonight so if anyone has any questions feel free to fire away while you can...

[Swaggs]

Nothing eventful happened to me last night, either.

Chubby, what exactly do you know about the bribe attempt?

[st.cronin]

Nobody tried to bribe me, either. It sounds like Chubby knows who tried to do the bribing. If he does know, I think he should say.

[Swaggs]

Chubby and Schmidty are at the top of my suspect list right now. I'd like to know what they have each been up to the last few days.

[st.cronin]

Chubby and Schmidty are at the top of my suspect list right now. I'd like to know what they have each been up to the last few days.

I agree. I about 80% believe CR's story.

[Swaggs]

Here is something I am looking at to help decide, since it is pretty much the only relevent vote (Day 1 was between two of us and Day 3 was firmly against path after BK's reveal):

Day 2 votes:

Fouts - Hoopsguy (335), Cronin (438), Tanglewood (441), Chubby (450), Path (471), Rum (472)

Hoopsguy - Fouts (336), KWhit (346), Barkeep (361), Saldana (364), Swaggs (388), Alan (474)

Quite a few last minute votes that swung against Fouts. We obviously now know that path was Dimir.

[st.cronin]

Did Schmidty not vote that day? Or did he vote for somebody else?

[Swaggs]

Thinking outloud a little bit more...

I think we are close to breaking this one open.

I am compelled to believe Chief Rum at this point. If he did not make the attempt against hoops during Night 2, hopefully the responsible party would have invalidated his story by now.

Both Chubby and Chief Rum made late votes on Day 2 to help swing the vote away from hoops. This isn't damning evidence, just pointing out that neither is cleared or damned by that particular move.

Schmidty has been quiet for a few days and, I don't believe he has voted in the past two days. If he is inactive and is the last Dimir, could that be why they have not been successful in their night actions?

[Swaggs]

Did Schmidty not vote that day? Or did he vote for somebody else?

He did not vote.

[Chubby]

I know who attempted to bribe but I can specifically say as I'm bound by magic in reagrds to that. however, I can vote for whomever I choose :D

I am Orzhova. The time of trimuph is at hand.

There have been two bribe attempts.

Last nights was unsuccessful.

The bribe attempt two nights ago [u]was[/b] successful. I believe you know who that is.

Schmidty is NOT Dimir. He was the person who was almost bribed.

My vote have been for the greater good and they will continue to be tho this should be the final day of voting.

Vote Barkeep49

[Swaggs]

Why did Barkeep lead the charge against Path yesterday if they were on the same side?

[Chubby]

Since I have to leave for work, how I know everything is...

I'm a Orzhova spy in with the Dimir. Schmidty can back everything up as far as last night goes. Scan either me or my vote if you stil don't believe me.

After tonights lynch the game should be over (pending any Anxiety twists)

[Chubby]

Why did Barkeep lead the charge against Path yesterday if they were on the same side?

To cement his place in the COT. He however didn't know my role, until now with everyone else.

[st.cronin]

Well, if Schmidty is the last Dmir, he has not been inactive at night, just unsuccesful (if Chubby is to be believed). I think a case can be made against Schmidty, but I don't think you've done it. I think it's between Chub and Schmidt.

[st.cronin]

hmmmmm

[Chubby]

Schmidty never has been Dimir. He was the bribe target last night.

[Swaggs]

If we believe Chubby, we have to also believe that more than one of the Dimir had the ability to convert AND that they were capable of making night kills.

Still, this is a beyond risky statement for Chubby to make with no heat on him, since he is dead and the game is over if he is lying.

I'm not sure where to go with this info.

[Chubby]

As for why we went after Barkeep for our conversion two nights ago, we knew he was in people's COT. I didn't even need to suggest to offer up path, it was done for me. Now with one to go, it's the best time to reveal myself and end the game.

[st.cronin]

Chubby, why did the bribe fail last night? And why did it succeed the night before?

[Chubby]

If we believe Chubby, we have to also believe that more than one of the Dimir had the ability to convert AND that they were capable of making night kills.

Still, this is a beyond risky statement for Chubby to make with no heat on him, since he is dead and the game is over if he is lying.

I'm not sure where to go with this info.

Why?

Night one - kill attempt
Night two - kill attempt
Night three - succesful conversion
Night four - unsuccessful conversion

hoops had the power to talk to people, it was related to his public role as Poticuf Maximius or whatever. He was allowed to do that and order a Dimir action since talking to the true believers wasn't a Dimir action.

[Chubby]

Chubby, why did the bribe fail last night? And why did it succeed the night before?

AS the new "leader" of the Dimir (I am now the senior most member of the Dimir as I'm the last original) I send in the action.

I sent in a bribe attempt with a max offer of 1 gold. An offer i knew would be refused as our succesful attempt cost 800 scepters. This would out the last Dimir and ensure an Orzhova victory.

I had no control over the previous bribe attempt as path was still the leader and the one sending in the actions.

[Chubby]

I HAVE to go to work now which is why I came out with everything now and not later. Also, Schmidty will be able to verify the bribe attempt as he rejected it.

[st.cronin]

If we believe Chubby, we have to also believe that more than one of the Dimir had the ability to convert AND that they were capable of making night kills.

Still, this is a beyond risky statement for Chubby to make with no heat on him, since he is dead and the game is over if he is lying.

I'm not sure where to go with this info.

He definitely had some heat on him. If he's lying, it's possible he's not the last Dimir - it's possible last night he converted (bribed?) somebody. So two dimirs - we lynch Barkeep, a night kill (or another conversion?) and ... then it's 6-2, or 5-3 at worst. They'd at least be back in the game.

Fwiw, I believe that last night there was a SUCCESFUL conversion. It's just a hunch, though.

What makes it bad, though, is that Schmidty will have to back up Chubby. So if it turns out Chubby is lying, then Schmidty looks bad, too. So let's see what Schmidty says, if anything.

[Swaggs]

Chubby, who were the attempted kills against?

[Swaggs]

and also, who among the Dimir were to carry out the kills?

[st.cronin]

AS the new "leader" of the Dimir (I am now the senior most member of the Dimir as I'm the last original) I send in the action.

I sent in a bribe attempt with a max offer of 1 gold. An offer i knew would be refused as our succesful attempt cost 800 scepters. This would out the last Dimir and ensure an Orzhova victory.

I had no control over the previous bribe attempt as path was still the leader and the one sending in the actions.

Something about this seems "off" to me.

Vote Chubby

Pending Schmidty's tale, as well as whatever other revelations come about.

[Swaggs]

Something about this seems "off" to me.



It seems a little too fantastic to me, as well.

Hopefully someone can come along and shine some light on things for us.

[st.cronin]

It's basically the same play Fouts made in that Fozzie game - in that game, Fouts was telling the truth.

[Swaggs]

I guess I am in a holding pattern until I see what some other people have to add.

[tanglewood]

No sure whether I believe Chubby or not. It certainly is possible however.

My role as the librarian means I have the ability to discover people's roles by resaerching their backgrounds etc. in my vast archives. Every night I can pick someone to look for information on, however it is not a guarenteed success, indeed it is very unlikely that I will find what I'm looking for on the first night. However, every sibsequent night I spend looking for info on someone my chance of finding what I'm looking for improves. As it happened, I hit the jackpot on Night 1 when I researched up on Barkeep and discovered he was an incompetant administrator with a dead elder brother who sill magially looks over him, but an Orzhov. However, subsequant nights have proved less fruitful. I have been researching up on someone for the las 3 nights consecutively, each time my chance increasing but missed on all three nights. Hence why I asked for protection tonight, as I had a very good chance of finding out a role on someone but actually didn't. Tonight I almst certainly will find out their role, but I'm sure that's little consolation at the moment.

Long story short, Barkeep is in the COT because he was cleared as an Orzhov on night 1. Therefore, Chubby's story is certainly possible.

[tanglewood]

Wow, bad spelling alert!

[Swaggs]

Vote Chubby

This is just a placeholder. I will most likely be back home to change my vote, and hopefully by then, someone will have presented something a little more clearly. If I can't manage to get back online until after the deadline, I want to make sure either Barkeep or Chubby are put on the line. Right now, I just trust Barkeep more, since he gave us Path on a platter.

[Swaggs]

Also, really hoping to hear something from Schmidty.

[st.cronin]

Also, really hoping to hear something from Schmidty.

ditto

[tanglewood]

Chubby seems to be openly admiting he is a Dmir. If so, why is he selling out one of his own?

[st.cronin]

Chubby seems to be openly admiting he is a Dmir. If so, why is he selling out one of his own?

Actually if I understand correctly he's claiming to be a spy. Sort of like a reverse cultist.

[KWhit]

Well, this sounds like a 1 for 1 proposition. I kind of believe Chubby. But if we're wrong we can just vote for him tomorrow.

Vote Barkeep.

[Barkeep49]

I'm in for a few minutes before I go out for the night.

As I've had my role revealed by tangle, let me simply say that the story outlined by Chubby is absurd. If I was going to try and convert someone I would ahve chosen someone in a COT not someone outside. Further I would have likely chosen someone more active than Schmidty. Seems pretty open and shut to me:

Vote Chubby

[st.cronin]

Oh Schmidty, wherefore art thou Schmidty.

[KWhit]

On second thought. Chubby probably knows that someone found out he's a bad guy last night, so he comes out with this BS story about being a spy.

Unvote Barkeep.

Vote Chubby.

[Schmidty]

I'm finally home. This week has fucking sucked.

I wish I had gotten home sooner, because the PM I got basically tells me that this vote is 100% correct:

Vote Barkeep!!!

[st.cronin]

The only thing that makes me uneasy is this feeling I have that something DID happen last night, but we don't really have any idea what. No way do I vote for BK though without hearing from Schmidty.

[Schmidty]

Please, if anyone sees this before the deadline, I urge you to vote for Barkeep.

[KWhit]

Well shit.

Unvote Chubby.

Vote Barkeep.

[Schmidty]

Ok, I need to go again, but I'll be around a lot more this weekend. I'll catch up on everything I've missed then.

[Abe Sargent]

Time check

[Abe Sargent]

Another time check

[Abe Sargent]

Okay, let me count the votes

[Abe Sargent]

I have 4-3 in favor of Chubby with st. cronin's vote counting twice

[Abe Sargent]

With a tied vote and several abstentions, st. cronin's political prowess wins the vote and the die is cast. Chubby will be lynched tonight.

St. cronin ask Chubby for any last words, and Chubby stands up simply. "You people are among the stupidest people ever. The stones that made this table have more combined intelligence than the people in this room have. Fouts told you, point blank, that hoopsguy tried to kill him, and you didn't beleive him. Schmidty and I led you to beleive that Barkeep was Dimir as well, but no, you don't beleive the truth. I will be vindicated in seconds."

With that, Chubby levitates to the dais, loers himself, and allows himself to be strapped down. The Euthanist begins cutting shortly after the rites are read, and Chubby dies shortly thereafter.


Day Five is over, Night Five Begins.


I asked whether you wanted to play over the weekend but got no response, what is your preferences?

[st.cronin]

I can play this weekend, but I think the Orzhova would rather I abstain from any more votes.

/kicks self

[KWhit]

/kicks Schmidty.

I'll be in and out over the weekend - not able to spend much time discussing during the day.

[Abe Sargent]

I am thinking about having Night Five last until Saturday at 9:00 pm and Day Six until Sunday at 9:00 - that'd give a full day for each action. What do you guys thionk?

[Chief Rum]

That is fine with me. I can interact a little more on the weekends, especially Sunday.

[Chubby]

Ugh you guys are pretty dumb.


I implore you, if you have any abilities to use them against Barkeep tonight to end the game for a good guy win.

[st.cronin]

ahem

[Barkeep49]

I have some cough drops if those'll help

[Abe Sargent]

Sorry just got back. My ride to a HeroClix tournament was supposed to being me back around 8 but he wanted to stay and I couldn;t really force him to bring me back sooner.

I'll run teh night events in a moment.

[Abe Sargent]

Dawn breaks and most of you have risen, but no one has seen Barkeep. Some of you intended to look at him today for euthanism, but he is not at morning prayer. St. cronin authorizes a small group to go to Barkeep chamber.

The door is unlocked, and as you enter, you see Barkeep's corpse on teh ground and his spirit hovering above, silently. An examination of the body shows no marks, no signs of death at all, and yet he is dead.

Barkeep's spirt floats away, and you are left to ponder just how Barkeep dies. However, one thing is known. With his death, you have scoured the Dimir taint from your guild. The price was not cheap, and if possible, you trust each other less than you did when this all began, but you know your guild will grow from this, assuming you survive whatever the world throws at your next.

[Barkeep49]

Ok question that is foremost on my mind: Was Chubby a spy or converted by CR?

[Abe Sargent]

A few GM comments:

The game ended quicker than I expected because of Night Two. The Dimir chose a physical attack instead of a Mgaical attack and then selected the only target with a protection against such as attack. Had they gone after, say, the BG, who was known at the time, they would have killed him and had significant momentum. In fact, had they bribed the BG, they would have had the BG on the their side and had even more momentum.


Kudos to hoopsguy who had the best day (Day Two) I've ever seen.

Further kudos to salanda who had me cracking up with some of his "I'm crazy" posts.

[Abe Sargent]

Ok question that is foremost on my mind: Was Chubby a spy or converted by CR?


Chubby has an opportunity on Night 3 to chose to align himself Orzhov again if he wanted to switch sides. It was a one time offer.

[hoopsguy]

OK, with the game over at this point:
1.) Bad guys go 0-2 in kills the first two days - just terrible luck?
2.) I hate the bad guy spy. I believe it has only been in two games and I've had the misfortune of being a villain in both of them.
3.) I'm definitely interested in seeing how the roles break out. In a hidden roles game, it is very free form in terms of bad guy play - in terms of making up fake reveals - but you also don't know what you are defending against.

[Abe Sargent]

What I find interesting, had Chubby known the rsults of Night 3 (two dead Orzhov, one convert) he might have stayed Dimir and this game would have been very different.

[Barkeep49]

Saldana played great. Hats off to him for perhaps the most entertaining WW play we've seen.

[Abe Sargent]

OK, with the game over at this point:
1.) Bad guys go 0-2 in kills the first two days - just terrible luck?
2.) I hate the bad guy spy. I believe it has only been in two games and I've had the misfortune of being a villain in both of them.
3.) I'm definitely interested in seeing how the roles break out. In a hidden roles game, it is very free form in terms of bad guy play - in terms of making up fake reveals - but you also don't know what you are defending against.



Night One - BG Block. Just bad luck you were BG'd by Swaggs.
Night Two - Chose the only guy who could be protected from a non-magical attack, and again, bad luck. I rolled the Thug's attack (had a 2 in 3 chance of success) and it succeeded, so KWhit has to use his one time protection. Even the BG was vulnerable to a physical attack, so I thought you were taking him out.

[Abe Sargent]

Oh - my unintentional humor award goes to a post on Day Three after hoops hopped Alan T's vote to Fouts and someone says, "But you don;t know who you killed, you mgiht have kille d the Oracle" when he DID, in fact, kill the oracle (Fouts). Very , very much laughter here :)

[Barkeep49]

I can't tell you how pissed I was, almost as angry as the one time that Blade got to me in a WW game, when I saqw that Chubby had me try to bribe Schmidty and it failed. It was teh exact nightmare scenario I had suggested and thought he was just being an idiot. However, when he came out as a good guy during the day I thoguht it was an interesting play, whether he was good or bad. And when he died I really respected the way he kept me in the dark. I will say though that this is two games in a row where I've had someone seemingly on my side only to find out that they're not. Perhaps that just makes me most gullible ww player.

[hoopsguy]

Day Two - where I managed to sneak away with my life for an extra day - was an awful lot of fun but very tense. I don't think it would have gone that way if Fouts had been around, but you play with the cards you are dealt. I learned that morning that I had identified Swaggs and that Fouts had very likely seen me. I told Path and Chubby to stay far, far away from me on the votes but I understand why they wanted to try and keep me alive. I was the guy who was putting in the actions, so if we got busted again it was going to be me getting caught. So Day 4 was supposed to be like a Day 1. Except that voting records were damning to both of those guys.

Chubby, if we had actually pulled off a Night 2 kill, do you think you would have stuck it out with the Dimir or were you planning to turn us over the whole way?

[Chubby]

Sure, now you people believe me! :p

I pretty much decided from the beginning of the game that I'd choose Orzhov. I didn't really need to make any suggestions to push the Dimir actions to not so favorable things since people suggested them on their own...

Burn path? SURE! :D

Barkeep - I scanned unknown until I officially picked a side on night 3 at which point I scanned good even tho I was the leader of the Dimir :) Being a spy is great!

[Barkeep49]

Yeah props to path for willing to take one for the team. In retrospect it goes down as one of the worse bad guy ploys ever since at least with two bad guys it takes a while longer for the good guys to recoup and so the bad guys hav esome time to try and build a foundation again.

[Chubby]

Day Two - where I managed to sneak away with my life for an extra day - was an awful lot of fun but very tense. I don't think it would have gone that way if Fouts had been around, but you play with the cards you are dealt. I learned that morning that I had identified Swaggs and that Fouts had very likely seen me. I told Path and Chubby to stay far, far away from me on the votes but I understand why they wanted to try and keep me alive. I was the guy who was putting in the actions, so if we got busted again it was going to be me getting caught. So Day 4 was supposed to be like a Day 1. Except that voting records were damning to both of those guys.

Chubby, if we had actually pulled off a Night 2 kill, do you think you would have stuck it out with the Dimir or were you planning to turn us over the whole way?

I wasn't 100% going good, if things were more favorable bad I would have "stayed" bad. Not knowing the results of night 3 when I sent in my decision I had to go good.

[hoopsguy]

I didn't really need to make any suggestions to push the Dimir actions to not so favorable things since people suggested them on their own...

Chubby, did you know the Orzhov secret roles?

[Barkeep49]

Also since it seems like the whole world has asked: I was quiet the first few days because I had nothing to say.

[Chubby]

Barkeep - on the bribe, I had to send in the "who" it was we'd bribe along with "how much we're willnig to pay". You were authorized to offer ONE gold. :D

[Chubby]

Chubby, did you know the Orzhov secret roles?

No, I had no idea who was what but I wasn't really concerned with that. I was more concerned with making sure I didn't do anything to make myself look like a good guy to you while not decimating the good guys.

[Abe Sargent]

I did make, I feel, an error.

I did not predict a question by tanglewood last Night on his role, so I had no rule prepared to deal with the situation.

Fouts, as the seer, had a 75% chance to figure out a person's guild affiliation each night.

tanglewood was a backup seer. He had a cumulative 20% chance each night to discover a person's guild and role.

That means there was a 95% chance to seer each night instead of the normal 100%. tangle only hit once, but it was on Barkeep, and that was an interesting thing when the Dimir went after Barkeep.



Oh, I *loved* writing Swaggs and hoopsguys pm on Night One. I got off on describing that battle and spent maybe 10 minutes or more on each pm.

[Barkeep49]

Barkeep - on the bribe, I had to send in the "who" it was we'd bribe along with "how much we're willnig to pay". You were authorized to offer ONE gold. :D
After the fact I figured you'd done something like that. Although I would say that seems like the sort of thing I should have learned in my PM, not that it'd have made a difference.

[Abe Sargent]

Oh, Barkeep, I wasn't going to initially include your role because I created 24 roles and only had 14 players, I obviously had to not use some roles. But, when you said you wouldnt be around much next week, I gave you this particular role. You had a self-terminating role. The more your invoked your brother's spirit, the more your would be drained, until he killed you and resurrected himself, and I would have added a new player to the game.

Your pms would have gotten worse and worse every time you invoked him, so you would have had some warning.

The brother is the old Masgter whom st' cronin's father had assassinated, and would have been the only person besides KWhit able to ascend to the Magster's role.

[Chubby]

After the fact I figured you'd done something like that. Although I would say that seems like the sort of thing I should have learned in my PM, not that it'd have made a difference.

Yeah I was happy to see that fact when you sent me your results PM :)

[Barkeep49]

Oh, Barkeep, I wasn't going to initially include your role because I created 24 roles and only had 14 players, I obviously had to not use some roles. But, when you said you wouldnt be around much next week, I gave you this particular role. You had a self-terminating role. The more your invoked your brother's spirit, the more your would be drained, until he killed you and resurrected himself, and I would have added a new player to the game.

Your pms would have gotten worse and worse every time you invoked him, so you would have had some warning.

The brother is the old Masgter whom st' cronin's father had assassinated, and would have been the only person besides KWhit able to ascend to the Magster's role.
I got that from the first PM and said as much in my communication to Chubby and path. I was a little less sure after I didn't get it the second time I used it, but that was why I was only using the role every other night.

[Abe Sargent]

After the fact I figured you'd done something like that. Although I would say that seems like the sort of thing I should have learned in my PM, not that it'd have made a difference.


If Schmidty had made you an offer, say 400 gold, then you would have consulted with your GM to find out how much you were allowed to give. Then I would have told you that your GM informs you that your limit was one gold and you had to refuse. Schmidity happened to be the last devout.


One disappointment I had was Blade's quick death. I beleive that with three posts per night and Blade having an ability to channel a spirit once per night (the chalnneled spirit had the ability to post all day long, no consequences, no cap to the number of times) that the "Dead are hanging around" would have had a greater impact on the game.

If I were to rewrite the game, I wouldn;t have made Blade's death result is the loss of the spirits.

[hoopsguy]

I thought the story-telling in this game was very good, both in the PMs and the public material in the thread.

[Abe Sargent]

I got that from the first PM and said as much in my communication to Chubby and path. I was a little less sure after I didn't get it the second time I used it, but that was why I was only using the role every other night.


Your Night thee pm should have included the following phrase:

" A short while later you awake with a splitting headache. You decide to get up and are one of the first ones awake when you hear a growl coming from the infirmary..."

[Abe Sargent]

I thought the story-telling in this game was very good, both in the PMs and the public material in the thread.


Thanks!

[Abe Sargent]

I learned a lot, where I could have been better, and where I could have done different things.



Thanks to you all for bearing with me!!!

[Barkeep49]

Your Night thee pm should have included the following phrase:

" A short while later you awake with a splitting headache. You decide to get up and are one of the first ones awake when you hear a growl coming from the infirmary..."
Figured with all the other excitement it was accidently ommitted and hadn't changed how I saw the role.

I thought the story-telling in this game was very good, both in the PMs and the public material in the thread.

I'd agree that it was a well written game.

[hoopsguy]

Anxiety, can you post something that covers the full private roles people held? I'm interested in seeing how some of our "2nd choice" solutions might have worked out, as the first choices clearly were not the best ...

[tanglewood]

Nicely ran game Anxiety and hooray good guys!

Kinda frustrating that the one night I hit on a view, I got someone who was converted later, but in the end I guess it didn't matter. MVP award has to got to Chubby who was excellent for the good guys, wih a very honorable mention to Saldana who was brilliant.

[Abe Sargent]

Sounds like fun, let me see if I can do it rom memeory (my stuff is on my work computer):


st. cronin - Orzhov Magister - votes counts as two (secret rule, votes drops to one after successfully voting to lynch an Orzhov, regains after successfully voting to lynch a Dimir). Ability - Watch your Back - can be used three times, cuts chance of success of attacks in half.

KWhit - Orzhov Prelate - has Acid Knife, non-magical glass blade with acid inside that breaks when used. Properties interfere with magical attack but then ruins the knife. Stops one attack, then is gone. Ability, starting third night, can Assassinate Magister. Having Acid Knife when doing this doubles chance of success. Rises to Magister when current one dies (secret info - Assassinate chance of success is 50%. Acid Knife increases by 50%, Watch Your Back by Magister decreases by 50%, creatign a nice little cat and mouse game between them).

[Abe Sargent]

Next up, the Dimir:

Chubby - Dimir Infiltrator - Scans as unknown. On Night three can pick a guild to aling with, but begins with all of the powers of the Dimir. (Secret Info - choosing a guild changes scan from unknown to guild. Choosing Orzhoiv grants the following Night action - Sabotage Dimir Action. If Chubby is the one taking the action ,atutomatically fails with none o fthe negative consequences associated with being caught).

path - Dimir Soulscourge - Second in command of Dimir mission. Night Action - Soulscourge - eradicate a ghost, completely removing it from teh game. Can be used twice, and not until Night three.

hoopsguy - Dimir Master/Pontifex Maximus - Can Pursuade the devout, (there are three). Pursuade tells hoops whether or not they are devout. A pursuaded devout can have their vote hopped once, only on the following day, and can only be pursuaded once.

[Abe Sargent]

Next up, the Devout. All devout are immune to bribes.

Schmidty - Orzhov Purist - twice can resurrect a ghost to a regular person. Ability is obvious to all once used making him a target. (secret rule, cannot res a Dimi in case he tried)

Chief Rum - Orzhov Evangel - Once can try to convert a person. If dimir, will instantly convert back to Orzhov. (secret rule, geases on character remain, preventin gthem from talking about Dimir in forum at all)

Alan T - Orzhov Censor - Can pm with Aedile of Administration and knows Aedile at beginning of game is clean. Has Night Action - Invoke Your Inner Might but does not know what it does. (Secret info, Once invoked, realizes that it makes him invulnerable for that night and the folloiwng day. Action can only be used every third day.)

[Abe Sargent]

Assorted other roles:

Swaggs - Orzhov Metagame - Night action allows him to target a person and no magic can go to or from that person.

saldana - Has the Night Action - Silence the Voices. Does not know what it will do. Is paranoid, and should post that way. (Secret, 50/50 chance of silencing making him crazy and killing a random person or curing him and him gaining a new role. New role would have been selected randomly among those not used in game.)

tanglewood - Aedile of Library - Could pm with Censor. Cumulative research ability metnioned befere.

Blade - Orzhov Medium - Channel a ghost and when dies ghosts posts decrease.

Fouts - Orzhov Seer - can view someone and get a 75% chance of determing guild.


Barkeep - Orzhov Something (I forget what) - Brother of dead Magister can invoke his spirit's protection (secret rule 1 in 6 chance of six possible things it will do, from guiarding Brkeep to revleaing info on current events and so forth).

[st.cronin]

Excellent work, Anxiety.

[Abe Sargent]

Thanks st. cronin. Hopefully you can get your game in next since mine went short

[Fouts]

Negative vibes to all those Orzhov that voted to lynch me. Whenever I tell the truth, I find myself killed.

I knew that hoops had a good chance to talk people into voting for me. There was no way I would return from class before the lynch, so I told the truth, and hoped for the best. Hoops comes up with some crazy role reveal and people still believe him.

[Abe Sargent]

Oh, and props to Chief Rum who used his ability at the exact right time to do so (Night Two on hoops) but was BG blocked by Swaggs. Good job at reading the gamne for his first time!

[Fouts]

Oh and since you are here Anxiety. It was a tie vote on me, but I was still lynched. St. Cronin shouldn't have had two votes since he killed blade.

Am I missing something?

[Abe Sargent]

He got his double vote back with a successful vote for hoops on Day Three, and kept it through pathon Day Four

[Fouts]

I'm talking about day 2, when his double vote lynched me after his double vote lynched blade on day 1.

[Abe Sargent]

He didn't get a double vote, so the vote was tied, and hoopsguy bumped Alan T's vote to make is 7-5 instead of 6-6.

[Swaggs]

I enjoyed this game, Anxiety.

I felt good about my action the first night, blocking hoops. But then, felt terrible the next night, when I realized that I had kept him alive.

[Fouts]

Ah, I didn't realize he had that much power. I'm still disappointed in these guys.

[Abe Sargent]

Ah, I didn't realize he had that much power. I'm still disappointed in these guys.


I understand your disappointment :0

He could only bounce the devout, which is just three guys, and he had to guess right the previous night, and he could only do it once per guy. So, it's power, but not that much so I don't think.

[Fouts]

Next up, the Devout. All devout are immune to bribes.

Schmidty - Orzhov Purist - twice can resurrect a ghost to a regular person. Ability is obvious to all once used making him a target. (secret rule, cannot res a Dimi in case he tried)


This ability would have been cool, if used.

[Fouts]

I understand your disappointment :0

He could only bounce the devout, which is just three guys, and he had to guess right the previous night, and he could only do it once per guy. So, it's power, but not that much so I don't think.

Well, he was able to pm with alan, scan me, try to kill me, fight with swaggs, then change alan's vote the next day. Quite a few abilities. Meanwhile, I was able to investigate one guy.

[Abe Sargent]

That's just one abilities. Trying to kill you and fighting with Swaggs was the same one, and he wasn't scanning you. Your pm mentions a scrying spell, which he was using to insure you were still asleep while he tried to kill you. That was just flavor.

This whole thing was one action - the Dimir Night Action. Each night, the Dimir had one action as a group, and they had to select one of their group to officially take the action in case they got caught. hoops was assigned teh action on Night One. That really doesn't count as hoops ability to take an action.

Then he can Pursuade. This is the pm you are talking about. This determines if the a person was a devout (and Alan T was) and then the following day, and just the following day, hoops can bounce a devouts vote. He can only use this ability once per devout. This is just once action.

I know it looked like hoops could do all things here in the forums on Day Two, :) but he really only had one action, and was assigned the Dimir action for Night One.

[st.cronin]

Honestly, I can't imagine hosting a game as crazy as this one, with all those roles and rules. Kudos to you, Abe.

[Alan T]

Fun game, thanks Anxiety. I took a gamble and failed horribly :)

Since I knew Tangle's trust and untrust list, I was hoping to be able to be his voice so he wouldn't have to out himself when clearing/condemning people...

Didn't figure I would get whacked by my own team (Thanks Saldana!)

[GoldenEagle]

Vote Lathum

[Barkeep49]

Vote Lathum
I should add that the Vote Lathum strategy is only a good one if he's playing. Otherwise it loses some of its effectiveness :)

But your enthusiasm speaks well of you!

[Abe Sargent]

You leave your quarters about a third of the night after purchasing the needed components to cast the spell. You cast a penetrating scrying spell and enter Fouts chamber with a mystic eye.

Fouts is completely asleep, and a quick cantrip by you confirms that status. This will be an easy kill. The Assassin Spell is 100% reliable against a defenseless target, and although you know there isa small chance that a mage can track the magical patterns back to you, its worth the risk.

You leave your chamber and enter the arboretum ,where no one is around. A quick spell ensures that you are quite alone. You don't want to cast the Assassin Spell from your room, just in case.

Your scrying shows Fouts still asleep, and confidently, you begin to summon the energies to cast the Assassin Spell. As you draw the energies in, snakes of eldritch force bash into you from somewhere in the residential complex.

Someone has been tracking you!

The other's person's magical might is obviously stronger than yours, but you are desparate. You cannot be seen! You begin to through your might into breaking up the counterspell being thrown your way.

The other wizard is throwing all of his might into a powerful, frontal attack, and you realize that a clever sideways attack might break him off. You begin to penetrate his defense just long enough to make contact before he shuts you off.

He uses your strategy and begins assaulting your mind shield from every direction. Your mystical forces are beginning to crumble.

As your focus all of your energy on this assailant, your hear a sound that chills your bone.

You hear Fouts' voice.

Fouts, the one who was asleep, Fouts the one who was your target. He rolls over, sleepily, obviously awakening by the energies and the scrying. His eyes seeing your scrying mirror, and for a second, he is looking right at you.

In fear, you break all mystical contact, both with Fouts and with your assailant. Your Assassin Spell failed, and maybe your secret with it.

However, you did get one thing out of the evening. Before he broke off contact, you recognized the mind of your assailant.

It was Swaggs.


Pm ta hoopsguy, Night One, since there is some interest in it

[Fouts]

Got it. Nice job with the write ups and the background info. Well done.

Hoops, I am not done with you. :)

[hoopsguy]

Fouts, I don't expect you are :) For what it is worth, you were one of two names I threw out that night (Barkeep was the other). Very annoying to actually randomly select the seer as the wolf kill and have it blocked. Not because the bodyguard protected you, but because he had a different style of bodyguard ability and blocked me :mad:

We had me take the night action because I had been playing as a bad guy for several games now and expected that I would be an early seer target. So I was going to be the one taking all night actions each and every night. Based on the rules, it doesn't appear that it would have mattered who we targeted on Night 1, since Swaggs was killing all magic out of me.

Swaggs, did you make that choice based on the bribery discussion during Day 1? You seemed to back Alan pretty hard at that point, which made me suspect you were devout at that point in the game. Obviously by Day 2 I was no longer thinking in this direction.

Fear the Gruul :eek:

[Swaggs]

hoops, from the beginning, I was suspicious of you (for the bribery conversation, even though it ended up not being a good reason to suspect you) and st. cronin (I can't remember why now). I had decided to use my magic on one of you two and just happened to choose you on Night 1. I was very impressed with the detail of my PM that night. :)

I still was not sure that you were evil, but Fouts revelation kind of blew things open for me against you, since there didn't seem to be any reason for him to open up at that point.

Also, I hadn't read the directions of my night action very well, as I did not realize that I also, essentially, protected you, as I found out on Night 2.

After casting on you the first two nights, I casted on st. cronin the third to see if I could learn anything about him, but he slept like a baby. Then I just protected myself, because I felt pretty sure that Chief had the ability to kill someone (didn't know it converted them, instead) and I didn't want to interfere if someone had a good reason to cast a spell on someone else.

I am still not totally sure whether you were scanning or attempting to kill Fouts on Night 1?

[hoopsguy]

I was attempting to kill him, using an Assassinate spell.

[Fouts]

I told the complete truth in this game. Obviously a mistake.

[Abe Sargent]

Apparently.

[saldana]

i just realized the game was over...great job to all, and many thanks to Anxiety for a very well written game and a very fun, although slightly difficult role until you all figured out i was a nutjob.

the other part of my role that i couldnt tell you about was that i had to change my vote every day the number of times for the day it was....thats why my personalities kept multiplying so i could come up with ways to change my vote 3 or 4 times...i hope i provided some entertainment for you all...and btw Anxiety..the unintended hilarity of the "you could have just killed the seer" was also from me.

[saldana]

dola, i almost wet myself everytime blade asked who i was talking to and i kept asking him what he was talking about. i could just see him sitting there getting more and more frustrated with me.

[path12]

Good game, good guys. I was so excited to be on the evil side and then it was just a sheer disaster with everything going wrong that could. I thought sure that after we bribed Barkeep and he burned me that we were going to be able to pull it out eventually, even if it meant not doing anything at night and waiting for the good guys to lynch themselves.

But Chubby put an end to that. I had no idea.

[Barkeep49]

Good game, good guys. I was so excited to be on the evil side and then it was just a sheer disaster with everything going wrong that could. I thought sure that after we bribed Barkeep and he burned me that we were going to be able to pull it out eventually, even if it meant not doing anything at night and waiting for the good guys to lynch themselves.

But Chubby put an end to that. I had no idea.
I did too. It was such an effective ruse that Anxiety even sent me a PM asking me if I knew I was on the Dimir side :).

[Chief Rum]

Good game, everyone. I had a lot of fun with this. I can't rate with other WW games, as this is my first, but I think Anxiety did a terrific job with this one.

[tanglewood]

Was Barkeep converted before or after he was announced as part of the COT?

[Swaggs]

Good game, everyone. I had a lot of fun with this. I can't rate with other WW games, as this is my first, but I think Anxiety did a terrific job with this one.

Sorry I blocked you. ;)

You did a good job in your first game.

[Chubby]

Was Barkeep converted before or after he was announced as part of the COT?after. we converted him night 3. I actualy pushed for it to be barkeep we went after.

[Barkeep49]

Was Barkeep converted before or after he was announced as part of the COT?
Nearly simultainously. I was converted the night before I burned path.

[Alan T]

Nearly simultainously. I was converted the night before I burned path.


What you didn't know is you did not have to burn path to gain trust. you were already in the COT from night 1. We just didn't say who all was in it until after I had died, Tanglewood listed who was in it. If you had not turned on Path there, you still likely would have been in a CoT and it would have been interesting to see how things went then.

[path12]

Was Barkeep converted before or after he was announced as part of the COT?

IIRC, there was a post putting him in the COT after the lynch deadline of the night we bribed him. So it looked like pretty perfect timing for us. :)

[Barkeep49]

What you didn't know is you did not have to burn path to gain trust. you were already in the COT from night 1. We just didn't say who all was in it until after I had died, Tanglewood listed who was in it. If you had not turned on Path there, you still likely would have been in a CoT and it would have been interesting to see how things went then.
I knew I was in the COT when I burned path. But I also knew that burning path would make me nearly unassailable. I had suggested that after path dies we basically just wait for the good guys to kill themselves while biding our time. I think it likely I'd have lost after Chubby's reveal if I hadn't burned path.