Werewolf XXX: The Ghost Council of Orzhova - Game Over - Game Ends Night Five

[Abe Sargent]

Hello and welcome to the unfortunately named Werewolf XXX.


This is my first time hosting, but I've read up a bunch of games, plus I've played a lot of real life mafia. Wish me luck!

This game will not be as complex as Barkeep's Spawn game, and probably won't even be as complicated as hoopsguy's Egyptian game. I'd say it ranks just below the Egyptian game in complexity, though.

This game will begin on Sunday, July 30/Monday, July 31 at the midnight between the days. Days will typically end at 9:00 pm EST and Night Actions will be due by 3:30 am EST. I head to bed around four, so that gives me enough time to run the actions and post the results before I retire for the evening.

New players are welcome! This will be an easier game to jump into than the previous two.

Background Info and Rules to follow later.


Sign-ups may begin at any time.


-Anxiety

[Abe Sargent]

Before I begin, I want to mention that this game is based very loosley on a handful of Magic cards from the Guildpact expansion set. No knowledge of the world is required, it just inpired me to flesh it out fully and in ways I am sure the creators of the world would not like :)


Welcome to Ravnica, the city world. Ravnica is a plane where magic and monsters live alongside humans. The entire plane of Ravnica is one giant city. Centuries ago, ten guilds formed the Guildpact, an agreement to split various functions of the world into each of the various guilds. Over time, each guild has evolved into a self serving guild who wants to shape Ravnica in their image.


The Orzhov Guild is a highly ordered clan based around doing what is good for the guild while also looking out for oneself. The Orzhov are the religious institution in the world of Ravnica. They have become a body of self-serving and corrupt people, just as many other guilds have become.

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The ruling body of the Orzhov Guild is the Orzhov High Council. Recently, an Orzhov spy in the Dimir guild has uncovered that the Necrosages of the Dimir have been trying to infiltrate each of the other guilds. That Orzhov spy died before he could finish communicating his message, but not before confirming your worst fears: There are Dimir among the High Council itself! It has become clear that the Council must do something to uncover the Dimir.

In Ravnica, souls are tied strongly to the world. Just because one dies does not mean that one’s spirit will go elsewhere. What will this mean for the Orzhov Guild?


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The Dimir are a secret guild apparently ruled by the Necrosages. Most people, in fact, dispute that the Dimir even exist. However, as the Orzhov ruling elite, you are quite aware that the Dimir do exist. Any Orzhov would be more than happy to die serving their guild, knowing that they continue to serve in death. As such, you have alighted on a way to discover the Dimir. Once per day, you as a council will vote to sacrifice one of your members. The Orzhov Euthanist will then kill the person in a ritual held in the council chambers as you watch. An Orzhov will die willingly. However, no Dimir would ever willingly die in order to keep their guild’s secret.

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Because you are all leaders of a guild in a world rife with magic, you all have some skill in various arts. Additionally, almost all of you are a bit self serving, and you regularly have an ace in the hole in order to help out. After all, you did not advance to the Council by being stupid.

[Abe Sargent]

All people killed during the course of this scenario will become ghosts. Ghosts will still be able to communicate, but special rules will be attached to them.


The rules for ghosts:

1) Ghosts may only post three times during any night cycle and not during the day. Night weakens the boundaries between worlds, thus allowing spirits to speak.
2) Ghosts may not communicate in PMs to anybody other than myself no matter what theur role normally says.
3) Ghosts are not allowed to vote during either Day or Night actions.
4). Ghosts may not role reveal.
5) All ghosts have a Night Action that they may take, once. You may try to Stretch Through the Void. This will allow you to push through the Void and speak during the following day, but you do not know what the effect of the strain will have on your spirit.



This is a world of magic and mystery. Be prepared for things to happen which break the rules. While you all have various abilities, most of these are minor, and should not affect the game seriously.

Because you know each other already, you will know, prior to the game beginning, what rank each of you has in the guild. The council is ordered into Prelates, Pontifexes, Pontifex Maximus, Magister, Quaestors, Praetor, Aediles, and a Censor. Prelates are the common council members. The Magister is the ruler of the council. Aediles are in charge of some mundane, practical element of the Guild. Quaestors are leaders of various divisions in the guild. Pontifexes are essentially high priests in the religious caste while the Pontifex Maximus is the leader of the religious caste in the guild. The Censor is the scribe of the council. The Praetor is second in command.

Ranks: In Order of rank from top down

Magister – In charge
Praetor – Second in command
Quaestor - In charge of various military regiments
Aedile – Administrator in charge of an office (Library, Infirmary, Administration)
Prelate – High ranking officers in the guild without specific responsibilities
Censor – Scribe

Pontifex Maximus – The Ruler of the Religious caste in the guild. Outside of the normal rank structure.


When euthanized, you will know a person’s faction affiliation. You will not know their specific role, however.

At the end of the game, all roles will be revealed in detail.

Orzhov may not PM each other.

There are a variety of special roles that break some of the above rules.

You are never allowed to quote a PM or use the words in the PM. Attempts will be made to be as different as possible with PMs from person to person so that there is little to compare by.


Winning is through normal method:

Dimir = equal numbers
Orzhov = no Dimir

I will end the game once one of these two has been achieved.

-Anxiety

[Abe Sargent]

Randomized rolls resulted in the following assignments:


Players Signed Up:

1. Barkeep49 - Aedile of Administration Dimir - Mysteriously Killed Night Five
2. st. cronin - Magister
3. saldana - Aedile of Infirmary - Orzhov - Mercy Killing Night Three
4. Schmidty - Prelate
5. path12 - Prelate - Dimir - Lynched Day Four
6. Chief Rum - Prelate
7. hoopsguy - Pontifex Maximus - Dimir - Lynched Day Three
8. AlanT - Censor - Orzhov - Killed Night Three
9. KWhit - Praetor
10. Chubby - Quaestor of Battlethrulls - Orzhov - Lynched Day Five
11. Swaggs - Quaestor of Battlemagi
12. Fouts - Prelate - Orzhov - Lynched Day Two
13. Blade6119 - Prelate - Orzhov - Lynched Day One
14. tanglewood - Aedile of Library
15. Anxiety - Prelate - Dead, Dimir Doppelganger, killed by mob Night Zero
16. SkyDog - Prelate - Dead, killed by Dimir Doppelganger Night Zero

[Barkeep49]

Well I leave for vacation on August 8th. If you think this would allow me to play, sign me up, otherwise I will read with interest.

[Abe Sargent]

How long will you be on vacation?

[Barkeep49]

Through the 13th. It's not really a vacation per se, but rather a sorta working trip. I have have access to the net, but not always availability to access the net, if that makes sense. Night actions wouldn't be a problem though.

[Abe Sargent]

I believe I have a perfect role for you, then. You're in.

[st.cronin]

in

[saldana]

back from vacation, and back into WW

In.

[Lathum]

I'm in

[Schmidty]

Ok.

[path12]

Sign me up!

[KWhit]

I'll play.

[Chubby]

I'm in

[Swaggs]

I'll give it another shot.

[Chief Rum]

I haven't done a Werewolf, although I have read a couple of the threads. This seems like a good one to give it a go. Count me in if there's room.

[Lathum]

I haven't done a Werewolf, although I have read a couple of the threads. This seems like a good one to give it a go. Count me in if there's room.
you won't be dissapointed

[hoopsguy]

Sure, lets give this a shot.

[Alan T]

Sign me up, I'm a good guy this time, I call it!

[Schmidty]

I haven't done a Werewolf, although I have read a couple of the threads. This seems like a good one to give it a go. Count me in if there's room.

Oh shit, Matt's in.

I predict a Schmidty/Chief meltdown sometime around day 3. :D

[saldana]

Oh shit, Matt's in.

I predict a Schmidty/Chief meltdown sometime around day 3. :D

will this meltdown be in addition to the one you usually have with blade, or in place of?:D

[Abe Sargent]

Hope the art from the cards helps bring a bit of life to the game

[Schmidty]

will this meltdown be in addition to the one you usually have with blade, or in place of?:D

I'm not sure...................STAY TUNED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;)

[KWhit]

This is not a holding post :P


Players Signed Up:

1. Barkeep49
2. st. cronin
3. saldana
4. Lathum
5. Schmidty
6. path12
7. Chief Rum
8. hoopsguy
9. AlanT

Did you just overlook my post saying I'd like to play? Or am I blacklisted or something?

[Barkeep49]

Well judging from the background color I'd say it's more likely to be violet listed...

[saldana]

Hope the art from the cards helps bring a bit of life to the game


pics didnt work, k thxs

[saldana]

The Orzhov Euthanist will then kill the person in a ritual held in the council chambers as you watch.


dola, did anyone else read this as "The Orzhov Enthusiast" and think it was a role for Ardent in abstentia, or was it just me?

[Lathum]

cards?

[Abe Sargent]

pics didnt work, k thxs


You can't see the pics in the secomd post?

[Alan T]

I dont see them

[Abe Sargent]

Hmm. Let me try linking from somewhere else.

[Abe Sargent]

Okay, can you see a pic in the second post now?

[Lathum]

Okay, can you see a pic in the second post now?
yes

[Abe Sargent]

Good. Since you can see the one, I have now updated the three pics with links from a new site, hopefully you can see all three.

[Fouts]

I'll give this one a try.

[Blade6119]

check me in

[Abe Sargent]

Rules added.

[bulletsponge]

ok sign me up for now, im still waiting to get revenge on chubby :mad:

[Barkeep49]

What in game effect, if any, does the ranking have? Or is that not known?

[Abe Sargent]

Barkeep - to answer your question - if the role would have an obvious ability, it will, if that makes sense. If the office held is a special office, then it will often come with special roles. Some players will have an office role and then a mage role. Some players will just have an office role. Some players (Prelates, for example) will just have a mage role. And some mage roles aren't even "mage roles," they are just abilities and whatnot.

-Anxiety

[Lathum]

Sorry Anxiety, I am gonna have to back out due to real world conflicts.

[Barkeep49]

Sorry Anxiety, I am gonna have to back out due to real world conflicts.
Listen if you think this is going to make me forget your brilliant treachery you are very mistaken. :)

Seriously I hope you can play again soon.

[Lathum]

Listen if you think this is going to make me forget your brilliant treachery you are very mistaken. :)

Seriously I hope you can play again soon.
lol, I will. I am going on vacation and won't have much time to put into the game. Especially since I need to be active when I am dead.

[Abe Sargent]

Sorry ta see ya go Lathum

[saldana]

Sorry ta see ya go Lathum
i'm not....lathum is a wang that doesnt call his friends back when they leave him messages....AFAIC, good riddance to bad rubbish

[Barkeep49]

i'm not....lathum is a wang that doesnt call his friends back when they leave him messages....AFAIC, good riddance to bad rubbish
Man if this is what his friends think of him, I'd hate to see what his enemies would post.

[saldana]

Man if this is what his friends think of him, I'd hate to see what his enemies would post.
thats not really what i think of him...its actually much much worse.

[Chubby]

bullet - maybe this time you'll outlive me.

Not likely, but maybe :D

[Lathum]

thats not really what i think of him...its actually much much worse.
lol, I got the message late and heard your wife was sick, I didn't want to wake her or the baby...

[Abe Sargent]

I'll be sending out roles tomorrow to give you folks a day plus to ask questions before we begin.

In the meantime, if anyone else wants in, this is your chance.

[Abe Sargent]

Roles will be chosen after I finish eating. If anyone else wants in, this is you last opportunity, once I select roles, that's it.

[Abe Sargent]

Greyroofoo - you interested in playing?

I sat down to randomly assign roles and saw you there, so I was wondering.


Apparently not, because you left :)

[Abe Sargent]

Public roles are up! Expect pms momentarily with public and private roles. I randomized each.

[Greyroofoo]

I would play, but I'd probably lose interest in a week or so.

[Abe Sargent]

Okay. I put myself in the game and assigned myself a random role if you had wanted to still get in.

KWhit - Clear your pm box

[Abe Sargent]

Roles have been sent to all non-KWhit players.

[Barkeep49]

Ok, I'm still confused about this: does our public role have any known public effect? And there are private roles on top of public roles? So there are the public ranks and then private roles on top of that. All that's correct, yes?

[hoopsguy]

OK, I'm looking for funding for my religious order. Send your checks now.

[Abe Sargent]

Ok, I'm still confused about this: does our public role have any known public effect? And there are private roles on top of public roles? So there are the public ranks and then private roles on top of that. All that's correct, yes?


Yes. You have a rank, some ranks have roles. Then you have super secret abilities, items, roles which is how you got so far in such a corrupt institution as the Orzhov Guild

[Barkeep49]

Ok but the fact that I'm one rank, and st.cronin is a couple ranks above me doesn't mean that he can boss me around or anything?

[Blade6119]

Ok but the fact that I'm one rank, and st.cronin is a couple ranks above me doesn't mean that he can boss me around or anything?
Make me dinner, damnit!

[Alan T]

Hi I'm the guild janitor checking in.

[Barkeep49]

Make me dinner, damnit!
Actually you're below me. So I would suggest you consider administrating if you'd like to advance in this world.

[Schmidty]

Superman checking in.

[Blade6119]

Actually you're below me. So I would suggest you consider administrating if you'd like to advance in this world.
administrating whom? im the lowest possible, just like in spawn....oodles of fun

[Abe Sargent]

Ok but the fact that I'm one rank, and st.cronin is a couple ranks above me doesn't mean that he can boss me around or anything?


No, you are all council members.

[Abe Sargent]

administrating whom? im the lowest possible, just like in spawn....oodles of fun


The Censor is below Prelate. The only way the Censor would become Magister is if every single person on the council died in some sort of cataclysm.

[Barkeep49]

administrating whom? im the lowest possible, just like in spawn....oodles of fun
I see what a folly this already has turned into. It's not WHO I am administering, it is what. Do you think that this Council runs on its own? No sir, it is thank to my tireless work that this Council functions at all. And don't you forget it. Now if you'd like to help with the administering I am sure we can find a position suitable for someone with your "talents".

[Alan T]

administrating whom? im the lowest possible, just like in spawn....oodles of fun


no, that would be. Its the head people > everyone else > me. :)

[Blade6119]

I see what a folly this already has turned into. It's not WHO I am administering, it is what. Do you think that this Council runs on its own? No sir, it is thank to my tireless work that this Council functions at all. And don't you forget it. Now if you'd like to help with the administering I am sure we can find a position suitable for someone with your "talents".
Please do, ill do anything...oh wont you please help me oh mighty master if all that lies before me :)

[Barkeep49]

Excellent. *Hands Blade a list* These people haven't paid their membership dues. Please get on that.

[st.cronin]

Well, all I've got to say is it's about time somebody with some sense was in charge.

[Barkeep49]

Well, all I've got to say is it's about time somebody with some sense was in charge.
I agree. Perhaps next game...

[saldana]

[female voice]we're sorry, your post could not be completed as typed...please check your blood alcohol level, and then post again [/female voice]



translation...i aint posting shit til i am sober!!!!!

[Poli]

4 bells, Ardent, arriving.

[Barkeep49]

4 bells, Ardent, arriving.
I'm sorry. Your arrival need to be announced by these forms, in triplicate. Please feel to use magic to fill out the forms, as need be.

[Chubby]

Battlethrulls UNITE!


Umm, so can I do anything special since I'm in charge of the mighty Battlethrulls?

[bulletsponge]

crap, i got my role but i wont have time to play, sorry

[Chubby]

crap, i got my role but i wont have time to play, sorry

I outlive you again!!!

[Lathum]

I recall anxiety saying this was gonna be an easy game

[hoopsguy]

The part that has been the hardest for me up to this point is the terminology - I'm not familiar with this genre, so it is requiring some re-reading to figure out faction names as he explains the rules.

I'm sure it will become easier as we get into the game a little further.

[Barkeep49]

I recall anxiety saying this was gonna be an easy game
Actually I believe he just said slightly less complex than hoops' game which was fairly complex :)

[Abe Sargent]

crap, i got my role but i wont have time to play, sorry


I'd like to find a replacement for bulletsponge. If anyone knows of someone who is interested in playing, let me know.


-Anxiety

[Abe Sargent]

The part that has been the hardest for me up to this point is the terminology - I'm not familiar with this genre, so it is requiring some re-reading to figure out faction names as he explains the rules.

I'm sure it will become easier as we get into the game a little further.


I made up the ranks based largely on Roman Offices.

[bulletsponge]

if a replacment cant be found i will still play, but i wont be as active as i usually am

[Fouts]

I see us Prelates have the majority!

[Blade6119]

I can talk bek into signing up and not posting if needed lol

[Abe Sargent]

If Bek wants to play, we can pull bulletsponge for him.

[Blade6119]

Scratch that, he leaves for canada for 2 weeks in a few days...my apologies for mentioning him

[Abe Sargent]

tanglewood has agreed to step in for bulletsponge.

[KWhit]

Okay. I put myself in the game and assigned myself a random role if you had wanted to still get in.

KWhit - Clear your pm box

Oops. It's clear now.

[bulletsponge]

tanglewood has agreed to step in for bulletsponge.


Woot thanks Tangle :)

* Note to self: dont vote for Tanglewood next WW i play*

* double note to self: Kill Chubby*

[Abe Sargent]

All roles have been sent now, inclduign KWhit's and tangle's. In a few hours I'll post the info for Day One and you can began at midnight

[tanglewood]

Hello all, haven't actually looked at the rules for this until just now. Seems, um... complicated....

[tanglewood]

I believe I have a perfect role for you, then. You're in.

Step 1: Lynch Barkeep ;)

In all seriousness, this 'special role' for Barkeep has me a bit worried.

[Barkeep49]

Step 1: Lynch Barkeep ;)

In all seriousness, this 'special role' for Barkeep has me a bit worried.
I was looking forward to it, until I found out that I got to be in charge of paperwork. That be my special. Yup. Dem der whats I got.

[KWhit]

KWhit the Praetor checking in. I'm 2nd in command, so ya'll better watch your butts. Except for st. cronin, of course.

[st.cronin]

KWhit the Praetor checking in. I'm 2nd in command, so ya'll better watch your butts. Except for st. cronin, of course.

I'm pretty sure I need to watch my butt.

[Swaggs]

Checking in.

This one is going to take some getting used to, but I like my position as master of the battlemages (or is it magii?). :)

[Abe Sargent]

Once this is posted, Day One has officially begun.

At the emergency council session, inside the Orzhov Basilica, you are considering the information you have just received. One of your sleeper spies deep within the Dimir guild has broken communications to let you know that someone from the Dimir guild has begun infiltrating the Orzhov High Council itself and that mission began around three months ago.

Your spy hinted that some of the Orzhov among you have already been tempted by the Dimir and joined the other side. In fact, your spy believes that there are four Dimir already with you.

As soon as your spy finished that thought, her eyes grew wide and pitch black as her body slumped over, liefless, out of view of your scrying glass. A few seconds later, the glass imploded as if dissolving. Powerful magic must be at work to defeat your spy and your spying mechanism so quickly, despite wards and counterspells in place.

That is when one of you remarks that Prelates Anxiety and SkyDog are missing from this emergency session. Where can they be? You immediately set off looking for your missing council members.

Because of what was just said, none of you trust the others, yoy you uneasily decide to hunt together as a group. You leave behind the Basilica and enter the fancy quarters to head towards the chambers of SkyDog on this floor, before heading to Anxiety's, two floors below.

You hear a rustling sound as you pass by the supposedly empty chambers of the old Magister. As tradition dictates, you leave the bedchambers and office of a deceased Magister unused for a year. The old Magister was murdered seven months ago due to strange circumstances that favored st. cronin.

As such, the chambers should still be empty, and were sealed magically. However, as you approach, your magical skills attune you to the fact that the seals have been rendered. The Quasters, leaders of regiments in battle, burst open the door and the rest of you follow.

You see a corpse of SkyDog on the floor, but it appears transparant, as if not fully there. There is no sign of life and no sign of any wound either.

Looking up at you in recognition is a creature hovering over the body of SkyDog with the eyes you came to recognize as Anxiety's. The facial features resemble Anxiety, but his posture and limbs show him to be something different entirely.

The creature you knew as Anxiety appears to be draining the substance of SkyDog into itself and is nearly finished. The group of you pauses for a few seconds at this sight, and Anxiety bares his teeth. Then you begin casting various enchantments, sorceries and counterspells.

The creature knows that his doom is near and puts all of his effort into one mighty spell but your combined power is more than enough of a match to counter his spell. His power spent, the creature slumps over, dead, having poured the energy he drained from SkyDog into the spell.

After a few minutes of gathering your breath, the Aedile of the Library, tanglewood, heads over to the corpses and peers closely. he then stands up and confirms your fears.

"This was a rare breed of Doppelganger," he says. "It absorbed the life energy of a person and used that energy to assume their shape. However, it could not change shape again until it killed, because it needs that life neergy to survive. It probably killed and replaced Anxiety a while ago. They also need the corpse nearby to use as channeling vessel. Anxiety's corpse should be here somewhere."

A search of the entire Orzhov grounds is ordered and Anxiety's corpse is unearthed underneath the west staircase cellar. It appears to be about three months dead. Just about the same time your spy said that the Dimir infiltration had begun.

No other corpses turned up. It appears that you were lucky. You caught one of the Dimir when they did not hear about the emergency council. The likelihood that you will get that lucky again is not good.

However, it seems like you killed the only Doppelganger, so that is a start.

Because SkyDog's essence was drained, he will not be available to you as a ghost. Furthermore, the same is true of Anxiety, who died three months ago. Even the creature, who had no soul of its own, will therefore not become a spirit. You are on your own, but each of you is used to that.

Day One has begun. It will end at 9:00 pm EST tomorrow, Monday evening. Good luck to you all.


-Anxiety

[st.cronin]

The old Magister was murdered seven months ago due to strange circumstances that favored st. cronin.

I resent the implication.

[hoopsguy]

Hmmm, so Cronin assumed the role of Magister in much the same way that Tom Brady took over Bledsoe's job in New England?

[st.cronin]

Hmmm, so Cronin assumed the role of Magister in much the same way that Tom Brady took over Bledsoe's job in New England?

If you mean people suddenly realized that I was a MUCH better choice for the job than the last guy, then, yeah. Don't know what's so strange about that.

[hoopsguy]

Strange circumstances that favored you :) I get it.

[hoopsguy]

OK, so we have three bad guys in this game to start. That is good information to have - normally we are guessing as to how many opponents are out there.

The language in the Night 0 post sounds like there is a conversion element:
Your spy hinted that some of the Orzhov among you have already been tempted by the Dimir and joined the other side.
which is going to make life pretty tough if they are able to convert more than one person.

Not sure what else to take from the opening, but would like to see some conversation get rolling before throwing out a random vote.

[st.cronin]

By the way, my vote counts twice. I don't think Anxiety posted that anywhere but in my pm. I'm going to see what develops before voting.

[Barkeep49]

So you're guessing that Anxiety was counting as one of the four then?

[path12]

Lowly prelate checking in. We've got conversion possibilities? Crap. I need to go back over the rules.

[Barkeep49]

OK, so we have three bad guys in this game to start. That is good information to have - normally we are guessing as to how many opponents are out there.

The language in the Night 0 post sounds like there is a conversion element:

which is going to make life pretty tough if they are able to convert more than one person.

Not sure what else to take from the opening, but would like to see some conversation get rolling before throwing out a random vote.
Frankly I think that means that they already have converted the people not that they could get more.

[saldana]

So you're guessing that Anxiety was counting as one of the four then?
i would have think Anxiety was one of the 4...4 baddies vs 10 goodies is a pretty low ratio to start the game....3 to 11 isnt alot better, but i would think that is what we are up against.....of course i think alot of things...for instance, i dont like the way you're looking at me right now.

[Barkeep49]

I agree that 3 to 11 is steep odds but better than 4 to 10.

[Barkeep49]

Question: Anxiety you said that you can't do a role reveal as a dead guy. What if you've already done one? Can you continue to talk about it?

[Chubby]

So how do we proceed today?

[saldana]

So how do we proceed today?
we randomly pick someone we dont really like very much, and then type:
vote chubby

but you can change your mind and decide you want to vote for someone you like even less and type
unvote chubby

and then pick someone else....did that help :D

[Alan T]

I have a feeling that they can convert people (or maybe bribe them or something)? And some people are more resistant than others to being converted. I don't think its past tense at all.

[saldana]

I have a feeling that they can convert people (or maybe bribe them or something)? And some people are more resistant than others to being converted. I don't think its past tense at all.

I dont think its a conversion in its entirety that could cause us problems...i have a feeling there is more of a compulsion issue in this game that could rear its ugly head....much like the jedi mind trick where you are going to have to vote the way youre told.

[hoopsguy]

Darn it, lost a post due to a short-term board crash.

Saldana, why do you think there is going to be a "compulsion issue" - is this based on some kind of knowledge of the Magic game?

For those who have played some Magic, what kind of expectations do you guys have for roles in this game? Based on the Day 0 post, the Anxiety character did not sound like your average "werewolf" bad guy.

[hoopsguy]

Barkeep, I would have to believe that if conversion is an option in the game then Anxiety would have been one of the four bad guys. Ratio just doesn't add up otherwise. That is also why I would expect a limited conversion power, rather than some of the more aggressive models like Schmidty's game or the X-Com game.

[Alan T]

Darn it, lost a post due to a short-term board crash.

Saldana, why do you think there is going to be a "compulsion issue" - is this based on some kind of knowledge of the Magic game?

For those who have played some Magic, what kind of expectations do you guys have for roles in this game? Based on the Day 0 post, the Anxiety character did not sound like your average "werewolf" bad guy.


I don't have any knowledge of the magic games at all (never played them), but do you not feel there is likely any bribing or such in this game?

[hoopsguy]

The only thing I've seen up to this point that makes me think bribing would be in the game is that we don't seem to be that swell a bunch of guys, collectively. But right now I think that is a reach compared to the range of other powers that could be exercised.

In other words, I'm not ready to start overthinking the game quite yet - I'm willing to treat it as a standard roles game until given reasons to think otherwise. But if there was someone who knows Magic pretty well, I would love their input. Kind of like how I wanted to lean on people who watched "Lost" during Ardent's game in order to provide some kind of sanity check for my thought process.

[saldana]

Darn it, lost a post due to a short-term board crash.

Saldana, why do you think there is going to be a "compulsion issue" - is this based on some kind of knowledge of the Magic game?

For those who have played some Magic, what kind of expectations do you guys have for roles in this game? Based on the Day 0 post, the Anxiety character did not sound like your average "werewolf" bad guy.


i have never played the expansion set that Anxiety is using for his base in this game, but based upon all the rulesets that i have played under, there is a lot more 'compulsion' or 'controlling' of others than there is of actual conversion.

i will explain futher: when you are playing the game with actual cards, each player in the duel has their own deck...some cards are simple land cards, which generate magical power. other cards are creatures that you can summon when you have enough of the proper kind of magical powers from your lands...there are also spells, some of which are enchantments and remain in play until they are destroyed by a counter spell, others are instants, which have a one time effect. there is also a category of cards called artifacts that are either objects or creatures that have some sort of magical effect.

whenever you use a card, either a land to generate its Mana, or a creature to attack with, you turn the card sideways, called "Tapping"....one of the best strategies ever is using either a creature, instant, or artifact to force the other player to Tap his creatures so they cannot defend, and then walk past the creatures and do damage....

there were hundreds of cards that could Tap the other players lands or creatures, but the cards that actually let you control or steal another players card were extremely rare....this is why i think the chance of compulsion are much higher than conversion...it fits into the concept of the game much much more, and since we have already seen a doppleganger (which is a creature that appears in the game in a number of forms over the years), i am assuming that anxiety is drawing some of the powers we all have off of actual cards....the "steal another players card" cards were very difficult to play against, and i think would unbalance things too much.

[saldana]

But if there was someone who knows Magic pretty well, I would love their input. Kind of like how I wanted to lean on people who watched "Lost" during Ardent's game in order to provide some kind of sanity check for my thought process.

*raises hand*

[st.cronin]

Alan, what makes you think bribing is in the game?

[Alan T]

Alan, what makes you think bribing is in the game?

I want to wait to answer this till I see if others chime in. Right now I'm wondering if I know something that bad guys won't know. Thats why I asked hoops what I did to see if I might have snagged a bad guy.

If its not something that other good guys know then I'll explain what I know later today. My original assumption was it was general role information in my PM that all good guys would know. Thats why I was a bit suprised that others were doubting bribing even existed.

[saldana]

AFAIK, there is absolutly nothing in the world of Magic that would allow for bribing...there is no money or anything of that nature involved in the actual gameplay, everything is based on Mana or some form of sacrifice

[st.cronin]

Let's just say that Alan has pinged my radar. I'm not sure if that's a good thing or not yet.

[Alan T]

I will say this for now though... while there are only a few bad guys among our numbers, there are only a very few true-believers left. My guess is the most of you would sell us out for the right bribe. That is why I feel there are conversion attempts possible in this game (although Saldania's thought about them bring bribes that affect votes or other things can be a possible fit too)

[st.cronin]

Well, I know it's not possible for ME to be bribed, and I also know bribing is in the game. For now Alan T is somewhat trusted.

[Swaggs]

I want to wait to answer this till I see if others chime in. Right now I'm wondering if I know something that bad guys won't know. Thats why I asked hoops what I did to see if I might have snagged a bad guy.

If its not something that other good guys know then I'll explain what I know later today. My original assumption was it was general role information in my PM that all good guys would know. Thats why I was a bit suprised that others were doubting bribing even existed.

I think this was well done, Alan.

Alan enters my circle of trust for now.

[path12]

Thanks saldana for the explanation, I'm not familiar with Magic at all.

[hoopsguy]

Alan, some of your language in Post #128 corresponds to my info, although I have double-checked and never seen the word "bribe". I don't want to drop too many words from the PM because that wouldn't be 100% cool, but consider yourself moving up my trust list as well.

[Abe Sargent]

Question: Anxiety you said that you can't do a role reveal as a dead guy. What if you've already done one? Can you continue to talk about it?

Yes

[st.cronin]

Ok, well ....

Vote Chubby

Let's see where this takes us.

[Fouts]

Checking in. While I was pretty confused about the rules in this one, but I'm starting to catch on.

[path12]

Vote Barkeep

Just keeping a promise I made. :D

[Barkeep49]

I've got nothing right now. Let me just say this, as a bit of a contrarian: If bribing is an essential part of the game, it seems to me that it makes sense for the bad guys to reveal that just as much as the good guys. Since the knowledge is going to come out sooner or later why not present it first? But I've got nothing.

[hoopsguy]

Not much to catch up on here - quiet Day 1 so far.

Any strategy at all with the early votes, guys? I haven't seen anything in the posts that suggests anything but pure random votes.

Do you guys think there is any particular disadvantage/advantage to respecting the public roles in this game? There certainly was in the spawn game; some roles could not be replaced, other roles had big-time risk if assumed by the spawn, etc. But I don't see that here. Maybe that is partly because my role comes outside the military hierarchy.

Long question short - any reason that it makes more sense to vote for a Prelate than a Magister?

[Blade6119]

I dont know about alan's claims about bribing and conversions, but im willing to let the idea play out for awhile if he thinks he has a bad guy. As for me, im going to toss out a random vote for someone.

VOTE SALDANA

[Schmidty]

Eeny meeny miny.....................Blade. :)

Vote Blade

[saldana]

as far as the bribing thing goes, please refer to my earlier post about not thinking it fits into the MTG multi-verse. that is not to say however, that i am not positive there are going to be methods of influencing others in this game.

thanks for the vote blade, without dubb in the game to vote for me on day 1, i felt kind of naked all day. ;)

[saldana]

hoops, in answer to your question, i have a theory about the roles that i dont want to reveal quite yet, so i do think we should be a bit careful with our votes in regards to peoples known roles.

[Chubby]

st cronin - are you still mad I silenced you 2 games back? :)

vote Fouts

to see where it gets us.

[saldana]

no, and if you dont stop pissing me off, i will be voting for you next

[Blade6119]

no, and if you dont stop pissing me off, i will be voting for you next
Who are you talking to? Chubby was talking to cronin, and otherwise i dont know who this is referenced too...

[saldana]

Who are you talking to? Chubby was talking to cronin, and otherwise i dont know who this is referenced too...

who what is referenced to?

[Chubby]

Who are you talking to? Chubby was talking to cronin, and otherwise i dont know who this is referenced too...

Yah, I was a little confused by the post as well...

[Blade6119]

who what is referenced to?
that whole comment...whats it in response to...like what comment someone else made?

[saldana]

that whole comment...whats it in response to...like what comment someone else made?
no idea what you are talking about

[Blade6119]

no idea what you are talking about
Who pissed you off and who are you threatening to vote for? You threatened someone, but i cant figure out who

[saldana]

dola, why are you out to get me too....i didnt do anything to you.

[Chubby]

no, and if you dont stop pissing me off, i will be voting for you next

Saldana - He's talking about this quote. Who is it to and why?

[saldana]

dola, blade broke up my dola, that last dola was to him

[saldana]

Saldana - He's talking about this quote. Who is it to and why?
i have no idea

[Chubby]

Saldana - You were obviously threatening someone... and it's very strange to me that you say you have no idea who it was to...

[Fouts]

Saldana is acting mighty strange. Is that part of the game?

[Fouts]

You know what? That's enough for me on day one.

Vote saldana

[Schmidty]

Dude, saldana is the man, but he's acting freaking wierd, and on day 1, what else is there to go on?

Unvote Blade

Vote saldana

[saldana]

why would you vote for me...i havent done anything except be the only source of information about the M:TG world that you have...weird shit happens in the magical world...all i did was say i have no idea who i was talking to....compared to a freaking doppleganger version on anxiety walking around for 3 months, i dont think that is a completely out of the question occurance.

[saldana]

OF anxiety.....a doppleganger version OF anxiety.....damn no edit rules.

[Abe Sargent]

OF anxiety.....a doppleganger version OF anxiety.....damn no edit rules.


Doppelganger on Anxiety? I wonder what that would be like?

[saldana]

seriously, think about it, no one here had any idea that i have a box of 5000 magic cards in my closet....if i were a bad guy, would i have offered up any advice or information about how the game worked....no i would have just sat back and used my knowledge to my own advantage or shared it with my wolf friends.

instead, i put a target on my back by showing that i may have additional insights because of my familiarity with the card game. i really think you should reconsider your votes.

[Fouts]

Well, I don't know if you are with the bad guys, but you are acting weird.

What other choices do you recommend?

[saldana]

Doppelganger on Anxiety? I wonder what that would be like?
depends on whose form it takes.....*envisions doppleganger of rosanne barr*

[Fouts]

seriously, think about it, no one here had any idea that i have a box of 5000 magic cards in my closet....if i were a bad guy, would i have offered up any advice or information about how the game worked....no i would have just sat back and used my knowledge to my own advantage or shared it with my wolf friends.

instead, i put a target on my back by showing that i may have additional insights because of my familiarity with the card game. i really think you should reconsider your votes.

I will admit you have knowledge of the Magic game, but I'm not convinced that you offered up anything useful.

[saldana]

Well, I don't know if you are with the bad guys, but you are acting weird.

What other choices do you recommend?

i dont have any serious contenders right now, it is only day one after all....and it wouldnt be the first time someone acted weird in a WW game....i'm just saying lynching me is not a good idea.

[saldana]

I will admit you have knowledge of the Magic game, but I'm not convinced that you offered up anything useful.

its hard to offer up specifics when we dont know how much has been drawn directly from the cards and how much is anxiety's original content.

if i were a wolf, why would i try to help at all...i could have just stayed silent and no one would have been the wiser.

[Chubby]

its hard to offer up specifics when we dont know how much has been drawn directly from the cards and how much is anxiety's original content.

if i were a wolf, why would i try to help at all...i could have just stayed silent and no one would have been the wiser.

i'd love to know who you were threatening to vote for...

[saldana]

anyone have a vote count?

i know i have 3

[Fouts]

its hard to offer up specifics when we dont know how much has been drawn directly from the cards and how much is anxiety's original content.

if i were a wolf, why would i try to help at all...i could have just stayed silent and no one would have been the wiser.

Good point, but who else do I vote for? Ugh.

Unvote saldana

[saldana]

if it makes you feel any better fouts, i have the same problem...thanks for unvoting me though, i promise it was the right move.

[Alan T]

Vote hoops


more a day 1 type vote where I had to vote for someone than anything else/

[hoopsguy]

Chubby - Cronin (134)
Barkeep - Path (136)
Saldana - Blade (139), Schmidty (158)
Fouts - Chubby (143)
Hoops - AlanT (172)

Vote counts as of Post #172

[st.cronin]

I've got nothing right now. Let me just say this, as a bit of a contrarian: If bribing is an essential part of the game, it seems to me that it makes sense for the bad guys to reveal that just as much as the good guys. Since the knowledge is going to come out sooner or later why not present it first? But I've got nothing.

I thought about that as well, which is why Alan is not absolutely trusted. And saldana ... wtf man.

[Alan T]

I thought about that as well, which is why Alan is not absolutely trusted. And saldana ... wtf man.


My thoughts was it is far more likely that the bad guys didnt get any indication to how easy or hard it is to bribe various good guys like the good people did. I know my pm told me what the likely result of someone trying to bribe me would be.

I found it interesting that hoops was oblivious to even knowing bribing was in the game (at least publically).

I can't quote a PM, but I am betting I know what St cronin's says about being bribed.

[Fouts]

My thoughts was it is far more likely that the bad guys didnt get any indication to how easy or hard it is to bribe various good guys like the good people did. I know my pm told me what the likely result of someone trying to bribe me would be.

I found it interesting that hoops was oblivious to even knowing bribing was in the game (at least publically).

I can't quote a PM, but I am betting I know what St cronin's says about being bribed.

I agree with you here. While bribing isn't specifically mentioned, I have a strong feeling it can happen.

[hoopsguy]

I think Alan put himself out there a little bit with his information - which is either going to lead to a quick death or being vouched for, in all likelihood.

If there is a seer role, and they have reason to think he is making a move here, then he has put himself near the front of the list of people to check. All in all, there has not been a whole lot of risk-taking by this group today in terms of posts.

Deadline is coming up quickly - 75 minutes.

Without any more information coming in, I can tell you who I won't be voting for today:
1.) Saldana - would prefer to have someone who understands this universe around longer, if possible
2.) AlanT - reasons listed above, even if he is voting for me at the moment

[Fouts]

I'm going to break the new guy in. He hasn't said much, so lets see if this wakes him up.

Vote Chief Rum

[Fouts]

Ugh, rookie mistake.

Vote Chief Rum

[hoopsguy]

Alan, assuming we are both around tomorrow I would like to revisit the topic of bribery then.

[Swaggs]

My thoughts was it is far more likely that the bad guys didnt get any indication to how easy or hard it is to bribe various good guys like the good people did. I know my pm told me what the likely result of someone trying to bribe me would be.

I found it interesting that hoops was oblivious to even knowing bribing was in the game (at least publically).

I can't quote a PM, but I am betting I know what St cronin's says about being bribed.

Not to latch on too much here, but I am with Alan on this one. And add in that I think it would have been a good strategy for the bad guys to kind of blow off the idea of there being bribes, so it stays under the radar awhile, until they can take advantage of it.

It might be a stretch, but I think it is more than we usually have to go on after one day.

Vote Hoops.

[st.cronin]

UNVOTE CHUBBY

VOTE FOUTS

To hopefully avoid a tie...

[st.cronin]

Dola

Whoops, I thought we are at the deadline, but we've another hour.

UNVOTE FOUTS

[Fouts]

Very suspicious move cronin. Last minute vote and how does it avoid a tie?

[path12]

I find it odd also. And why would a tie be bad (unless of course it means no lynch and a freebie for the bad guys)? I don't see any tiebreaker info, might we assume that one of us has the ability to break one?

[tanglewood]

Saldana's act of random threat then subsequent denial of even saying it was very odd, but I think it's more a sign that he has been manipulated by someone else than that he may be evil himself.

Still musing over who to vote for today, no real obvious guy has jumped out at me as of yet.

[st.cronin]

There were two votes on saldana, and I believe two on hoops. Plus my vote counts double, so that's a three way tie. And a tie on day 1 is pretty much the dream outcome for the bad guys.

[saldana]

hey guys. just wanted to pop in real quick and say that RL has reared its ugly head (i am at work), so i will be back in just before the deadline

[Fouts]

Ah he has two votes. I think I need to make a self preservation move.

[st.cronin]

I find it odd also. And why would a tie be bad (unless of course it means no lynch and a freebie for the bad guys)? I don't see any tiebreaker info, might we assume that one of us has the ability to break one?

A tie usually means either no lynch, or else that a duke has to blow his role before really collecting any information.

[Fouts]

There were two votes on saldana, and I believe two on hoops. Plus my vote counts double, so that's a three way tie. And a tie on day 1 is pretty much the dream outcome for the bad guys.

No, thats 3 votes on me. You are trying to kill me.

[Blade6119]

its hard to offer up specifics when we dont know how much has been drawn directly from the cards and how much is anxiety's original content.

if i were a wolf, why would i try to help at all...i could have just stayed silent and no one would have been the wiser.
No, because by offering that information you seem helpful and trustworthy. It gives you leverage, which you are using right here. Im not saying it damns you in an way, but i dont see how giving the knowledge(like how many cards you have closet...) is any help, considering i dont see any really good knowledge or anything a wolf would not want to give.

Not trying to screw you here, but you seemed to sway fouts for reasons i dont beleive.

[hoopsguy]

I'm obviously a fan of Cronin trying to avoid seeing me, or one of the two people I said I would prefer not to vote for (Saldana), ending up in a tie today.

Nor did I really want to be stuck in a position of having to make self-preservation votes on Day 1. I'm hoping that chance moves in another direction in the next 45 minutes so I can actually cast a vote towards someone who I wouldn't mind voting for ...

[st.cronin]

No, thats 3 votes on me. You are trying to kill me.

lol there were three votes on you AFTER I voted for you ... and give me a reason not to kill you - I'm just trying to get rid of the Dimri, sir ...

[hoopsguy]

I'll put a vote on someone who seemed even more casual with his vote than most of the others today.

Vote Path

[st.cronin]

Somebody take a guess who manipulated saldana. I have a couple guys in mind, I'd like to hear ideas.

[Fouts]

lol there were three votes on you AFTER I voted for you ... and give me a reason not to kill you - I'm just trying to get rid of the Dimri, sir ...

If you are Orzhov, you want me to stick around.

[Blade6119]

Somebody take a guess who manipulated saldana. I have a couple guys in mind, I'd like to hear ideas.
Why are we assuming he was manipulated? If he was, by far it would be you since i thought when i first read the comment it was you since chubby had voted for you.

Im far more likely to believe saldana read the vote as for him and reacted, then realized his mistake but it was too late to change the post. A slip up of sorts, which is the best i see today

[Blade6119]

dola, why are you out to get me too....i didnt do anything to you.
So who is out to get you? Just wondering, as you assume me and someone else you have yet to name

[Swaggs]

I don't know if this is something we want to reveal this early or not, but does everyone have some type of magical ability or are there "simple villagers" in this game?

I will reveal that I have a very modest magical skill.

[st.cronin]

ok - well, it seems like I do this once a game, and it never works out, but

Vote Blade

[st.cronin]

I don't know if this is something we want to reveal this early or not, but does everyone have some type of magical ability or are there "simple villagers" in this game?

I will reveal that I have a very modest magical skill.

I have no magical skill, but I have awesome political prowess.

[Fouts]

Well, I have to vote for somebody with votes to save myself from cronin. This guy has acted suspiciously all day.

Vote saldana

[hoopsguy]

Blade, the very idea that Saldana isn't going bananas right now reacting to votes against him for something he considers illogical supports the idea that he isn't a bad guy. I recognize this is a bit of a reach, but you have played enough games with him to know that he goes bonkers when cornered in these games. But today he has removed himself from the conversation until right before the deadline.

Again, I really don't want to be forced to cast a vote against him because I don't think he is the enemy today. There are three of them out there, so I think we have pretty good odds of getting one. But we won't if you vote for me and I don't think we will if we vote for Saldana.

[path12]

I'll put a vote on someone who seemed even more casual with his vote than most of the others today.

Vote Path

Not casual at all -- when I had to drop out of the last game because Barkeep had some info on there I shouldn't have seen, I promised him my next day 1 vote.

I like to keep my promises. :p

[tanglewood]

Why are we assuming he was manipulated? If he was, by far it would be you since i thought when i first read the comment it was you since chubby had voted for you.

Im far more likely to believe saldana read the vote as for him and reacted, then realized his mistake but it was too late to change the post. A slip up of sorts, which is the best i see today

I think the way he denyed it is far more eyebrow-raising than the act itself. If he had offered an explaination it would've been fine, but instead he was all 'What threat?' then 'Oh that threat, well I don't know who I was talking about'.

[path12]

Somebody take a guess who manipulated saldana. I have a couple guys in mind, I'd like to hear ideas.

I'm not sure he was. Seems like a power that could be put to much better use later in the game, no?

[Blade6119]

Blade, the very idea that Saldana isn't going bananas right now reacting to votes against him for something he considers illogical supports the idea that he isn't a bad guy. I recognize this is a bit of a reach, but you have played enough games with him to know that he goes bonkers when cornered in these games. But today he has removed himself from the conversation until right before the deadline.
Thats the problem, he went bonkers when it all went down and he had the three vote lead. It was after he convinced fouts off and a few other canidates came up that he went calmer(or personal life, which he openly stated was a problem today). Im not saying he went sndvls crazy ;) , but his off the wall defense claiming how pissed he was, threatening votes, and then accusing me of being after him(which i am now, but wasnt then) seems pretty bonkers to me. No?

[st.cronin]

agree with tanglewood's analysis ... my guess is that Blade (or whoever did that) was trying to get saldana out of the game ... and if it was Blade, he's now trying to divert attention away from a play that didn't work out

[hoopsguy]

OK, then why not make the vote count since as it sits right now we have a legitimate race emerging that doesn't involve Barkeep? You put out the ceremonial vote, but with 30 minutes left today it isn't going to be a factor in making today's decision.

I recognize that by pushing you in this way you could just cast it on me and put me in danger. But I don't think that would end up looking too good when the deadline rolls around ...

[st.cronin]

OK, then why not make the vote count since as it sits right now we have a legitimate race emerging that doesn't involve Barkeep? You put out the ceremonial vote, but with 30 minutes left today it isn't going to be a factor in making today's decision.

I recognize that by pushing you in this way you could just cast it on me and put me in danger. But I don't think that would end up looking too good when the deadline rolls around ...

I think Blade is now in the lead ...

[KWhit]

I think the way he denyed it is far more eyebrow-raising than the act itself. If he had offered an explaination it would've been fine, but instead he was all 'What threat?' then 'Oh that threat, well I don't know who I was talking about'.

Exactly. He was either clearly manipulated or is very effectively acting the part.

I don't buy for a second that he mis-reacted to a vote that wasn't to him.

[hoopsguy]

This is what I show for votes as of Post #211:
Barkeep - Path (136)
Saldana - Blade (139), Schmidty (158), Fouts (203)
Fouts - Chubby (143)
Hoops - AlanT (172), Swaggs (181)
Rum - Fouts (179)
Path - Hoops (195)
Blade - Cronin (201) - double vote?

[Blade6119]

I think Blade is now in the lead ...
How so, your the only one with a vote on me. Even with your 2vote thing, saldana has 3 on him(myself, schmidty, and fouts)

[path12]

OK, then why not make the vote count since as it sits right now we have a legitimate race emerging that doesn't involve Barkeep? You put out the ceremonial vote, but with 30 minutes left today it isn't going to be a factor in making today's decision.

I recognize that by pushing you in this way you could just cast it on me and put me in danger. But I don't think that would end up looking too good when the deadline rolls around ...

If you want to push further, I will vote for you. But you do make a point, so I'll ask if anyone's got a vote count handy and will then decide whether to switch or not.

[Blade6119]

Rum - Fouts (179)
Wha?

[path12]

Dola, crosspost on the vote count.

[st.cronin]

How so, your the only one with a vote on me. Even with your 2vote thing, saldana has 3 on him(myself, schmidty, and fouts)

You are right, I counted wrong. Well, I don't think I'll move it. I think saldana is likely clear.

[KWhit]

agree with tanglewood's analysis ... my guess is that Blade (or whoever did that) was trying to get saldana out of the game ... and if it was Blade, he's now trying to divert attention away from a play that didn't work out

Agreed.

Vote Blade.

[Blade6119]

I have to head to work...saldana is my pick based on how weird he was today, but id be happy with anyone but myself i suppose(except alan, want to hear who his bad guy was)....do try not to lynch me, and have a good evening everyone

[Fouts]

Well I didn't unvote Chief Rum.

Unvote Chief Rum

[hoopsguy]

Upon re-reading posts 144-154 Saldana does sound pretty strange/paranoid without much provocation. But I still think he would be here fighting bitterly to the end if he were a Dimir based on past behavior.

[Blade6119]

Agreed.

Vote Blade.
If i wanted saldana out of the game as a bad guy, i would take him out night 1. Using manipulation on day 1 seems odd, as it would be better used late in the game after the seer reveals to clear yourself or something similar. I did not manipulate saldana in any way, am not bad in any way, and dont want to be lynched. Test any of that if we have a truthful comment guy.

[Blade6119]

Upon re-reading posts 144-154 Saldana does sound pretty strange/paranoid without much provocation. But I still think he would be here fighting bitterly to the end if he were a Dimir based on past behavior.
He just said he had personal life problems that wouldnt allow him to be here...i understand what your saying, but personal life trumps dimir life.

[Blade6119]

And i really have to go now...dont lynch me, im good...not much more then that i can say on day 1.

[hoopsguy]

I'm going to go with Blade for the vote
1.) I don't want to kill the one guy who knows Magic on Day 1
2.) In terms of roles, Blade has a less important role
3.) I told Path to make his vote count, so I should do the same

UNVOTE PATH
VOTE BLADE

[path12]

Speaking of real life, I've gotta run. I find it odd that hoops singled out my vote on barkeep than the other one-person voters (including him), but the most suspicious is saldana.

Unvote Barkeep
Vote saldana

[st.cronin]

Ugh, I think that makes it 4-4.

[hoopsguy]

Path, the difference between the two of us is that I was likely in a position of having to move my vote later for self-preservation. You were not under any such pressure.

The only other person with one vote out there is Chubby. I would encourage him to make his vote count as well, but he wasn't in the room to talk to about this.

[Barkeep49]

Ok have no clue here. And am quite time crunched. Only skimmed over the day. But I guess if called to believe one group or the other, I feel compelled to

Vote saldana

I nearly flipped a coin here, frankly. So if he comes up guilty I won't really pretend to take credit.

[tanglewood]

Vote Blade

If only because he went after Saldana and I think it's more likely Saldana is a good guy being manipulated than a bad guy acting a bit stupid and getting himself noticed.

[st.cronin]

lol

[tanglewood]

Whats the current count? If it's a tie I'll move off.

[st.cronin]

5-5

[hoopsguy]

Saldana - Blade (139), Schmidty (158), Fouts (203), Path (227), Barkeep (230)

Fouts - Chubby (143)

Hoops - AlanT (172), Swaggs (181)

Blade - Cronin (201), KWhit (219), Hoops (226), Tangle (231)

[st.cronin]

Remember though my vote counts DOUBLE

[hoopsguy]

No votes for Saldana or Chief Rum.

[saldana]

vote blade

self preservation only at this point.

[tanglewood]

Well, reluctantly..

Unvote Blade

[hoopsguy]

Er, no votes cast by Saldana or Chief Rum. And Saldana is now in the thread with 2 minutes to go.

[tanglewood]

lol, whoops

Vote Blade

[Abe Sargent]

Time Check

[Abe Sargent]

Another Time Check

[saldana]

i urge everyone to reconsider their votes on me....i want to tell you who i was talking to, but i just cant

[Abe Sargent]

And One More for Good Luck :)

[Abe Sargent]

That is time

[hoopsguy]

Someone anxious to run the lynch?

[tanglewood]

Isn't deadline voting oh so much fun. :)

[Abe Sargent]

I'll double check the votes and get this posted

[Abe Sargent]

Someone anxious to run the lynch?


My clock said 9:00 when I posted the first time check :)