Werewolf i - Game Over, villagers win [Archive] - Page 2

Bek

10-05-2006, 12:43 PM

I don't think they are using any method really. I think they are trying to be random.

So, there are 9 folks left. If 2 are wolves, we're down to 7 people. If 3 are wolves, we have 6. I can't imagine there being more than 3 wolves. Regardless, we need to be right tomorrow night.

Not using a method???....of course they are using a method. They want to try and throw us off. There is a reason they killed packer and we just have to find it. Today I'm going to go back and re-read the first two days and see what I find. Them trying to hit the herbalist or seer at this point would be huge for the wolves. Im assuming that the wolves are thinking that the seer is trying to lay low and not be on anyones radar. That's why I think that they went after Packer. They are going to continue on this path and try to pick of the seer. If they can get the seer early, it allows the wolves to stay hidden for a lot longer. It is easier for them to hide behind there words. The wolves want us to be confused and lost. They are picking the ones off from the back of the pack.

--Bek

Bek

10-05-2006, 12:47 PM

let me clarify. i don't think spleen was intending for the seer to reveal him/herself. i think spleen was pushing the seer to become more vocal and try to dig back for evidence to use against someone IF they even know any wolves at this point.

I dont know. I think that spleen was pushing for the seer to come out.

Now, we need to know what the seer knows. :)

I dunno. If they reveal themselves, then the herbalist can protect them at least once.

spleen1015

10-05-2006, 12:49 PM

I thought my feelings about the seer might be seen that way.

The only reason I am asking is because we are in a huge hole, IMO. If they reveal themselves, then I know for sure who is a villager with me. Then, if the information they have clears 1 or 2 folks still in the game, then I know I have 2 or 3 other folks that I can trust.

Guys, believe me. I am a villager.

spleen1015

10-05-2006, 12:52 PM

I dont know. I think that spleen was pushing for the seer to come out.

With my suspicion that you're a wolf, I think you are just trying to turn my fellow villager against me. So, my suspicion meter just pegged for you. You'll be who I target for tomorrow since I am already pretty sure that Izulde is a wolf.

Glengoyne

10-05-2006, 12:59 PM

...

That's 2 votes for Izulde and one for Glengoyne...I just don't think the cloud of suspicion over Glengoyne is nearly as heavy as the one over Izulde...the way I see it, our plan should be to eliminate Izulde and then go after Glengoyne or Bek tomorrow. We need one good night where we catch a Werewolf and I'm convinced Izulde is one.

I'm not at all warm and fuzzy with the thought of tying my fortune to Izulde's, especially since a couple of people have actually laid out suspicions about him. I haven't decided where I'm going today as of yet. I've got this weird feeling that the wolves might just be sitting back and letting us pick each other off. No one really came to lsg's aid, yesterday. I'm just wondering if that was because the wolves had no interest in us changing directions. If we did target a wolf, would there then be more noise generated in either their defense or in accusation of others?

This is difficult.

DaddyTorgo

10-05-2006, 01:02 PM

and keep in mind someone could say they were the seer and feed us false information.

Izulde

10-05-2006, 01:38 PM

If you guys want to knock me off, go ahead. :) I'll be gone Friday and Saturday and a good portion of Sunday anyway (All-Greek retreat that's mandatory to attend).

Just don't be surprised when, like LSG, you've found you've picked wrongly again.

Neuqua

10-05-2006, 01:51 PM

Catching up on things now....

Neuqua

10-05-2006, 02:27 PM

It won't make much sense for the seer to come out now until he's actually figured out atleast one of the wolves. His coming out would leave him/her basically vulnerable. Though I guess it would be best for the us if the seer and herbalist could somehow figure out who eachother are.

spleen1015

10-05-2006, 02:28 PM

VOTE IZULDE

I'm unsure of my availability this evening. So, I will make my vote now. I don't think anything within the next 5 hours will change it anyway.

oliegirl

10-05-2006, 02:55 PM

Neuqua

10-05-2006, 03:25 PM

Now I'm even more convinced that we are right...

Just wondering, why?

GoldenEagle

10-05-2006, 03:34 PM

Just wondering, why?

I am wondering the samething as well. If Izulde is a wolf, then these type of comments make me think that oliegirl could be as well. It is like she is taking that extra pile and going out of her way to make sure everyone knows that she thinks Izulde is a wolf.

oliegirl

10-05-2006, 03:34 PM

Just wondering, why?

The tone of what he said, almost like admitting defeat - we figured him out...and he's basically saying that he doesn't care about being voted out because he wouldn't be around to play anyway. Like I've been saying for 2 days, it all seems very suspicious and "wolfy" to me...

DaddyTorgo

10-05-2006, 03:39 PM

put in a placeholder vote before, but I'm going to put it in again (same vote) just so it's up here closer to deadline-time.

VOTE IZULDE

Izulde

10-05-2006, 04:04 PM

The tone of what he said, almost like admitting defeat - we figured him out...and he's basically saying that he doesn't care about being voted out because he wouldn't be around to play anyway. Like I've been saying for 2 days, it all seems very suspicious and "wolfy" to me...

Well, realistically I'd be lynched sometime this weekend anyway because I won't be here to defend myself. So I regard it as a fait accompli, but I do care. I like playing this game and trying to figure out who the werewolves are, even though I'm not any good at doing that yet. It'll suck being lynched, but someone has to go and it appears today's bandwagon is on me.

DaddyTorgo

10-05-2006, 04:17 PM

did amdaily steal izulde's SN? seems like quite the gloomy post but isn't going to alter my course.

Neuqua

10-05-2006, 04:47 PM

well just in case i die tonight, i want to say that if i do, that probably would mean that packerfanatic is a villager since that would be too obvious. but you'd have to strongly suspect neuqua, since I've raised suspiciouns about him.

Just wondering, what were the reasons you suspected I was a werewolf? Because of the way I worded myself stepping out for the night?

I do not mind talking about it because I don't think we really have any truthfully *trusthworthy* players yet and if we can start off by possibly getting an idea of who we think are safe, then the better chance we nab a werewolf.

What I cannot seem to decide on is whether I think the ww is one of the more vocal players (and thus trying to lesson suspicion unto them) or one of the quieter ones (who are basically just trying to stay out of the way.

Neuqua

10-05-2006, 05:39 PM

VOTE GLENGOYNE

After the LSG fiasco, Glen still seems like the prime prospect for me to vote for. May even be out of guilt because I ended up following Glen shortly thereafter.

I still do not know who the wolf is, but what I do know is that the seer is going to be the key to victory in this game. Glen is pretty obviously not the seer and so if Glen does turn out to be a villager, atleast he is a regular and not too instrumental in our (villagers) eventual victory in this game.

spleen1015

10-05-2006, 06:13 PM

Thursday is bowling night so I will be unavailable until after 11pm tonight. My vote is in.

st.cronin

10-05-2006, 07:21 PM

current count:

Izulde - 3 (Daddytorgo, spleen, oliegirl)
Glengoyne - 2 (lighthousekeeper, neuqua)
Bek - 1 (Izulde)

Glengoyne

10-05-2006, 07:22 PM

GoldenEagle

10-05-2006, 07:24 PM

VOTE GLENGOYNE

I am just not sure why he is getting a free pass here after yesterday. The result of this should give us some information.

Glengoyne

10-05-2006, 07:25 PM

I'm going to pile on Izulde out of a sense of self preservation. That wasn't where I was planning to go, but that is where it looks like I gotta go.

VOTE IZULDE

Izulde

10-05-2006, 07:26 PM

UNVOTE BEK

VOTE GLENGOYNE

I'm returning the favour.

Glengoyne

10-05-2006, 07:26 PM

If I go down, my dying words are going to be "The wolves voted for me".

Neuqua

10-05-2006, 07:29 PM

Glen, atleast throw out your ideas on why the "wolves" voted for you just in case you do not make it. The more information the rest of us have, the better.

st.cronin

10-05-2006, 07:30 PM

deadline?

st.cronin

10-05-2006, 07:31 PM

yes

Final count:

Izulde - 4 (Daddytorgo, oliegirl, spleen, glengoyne)
Glengoyne - 3 (Izulde, lighthousekeeper, neuqua)

Not voted - Goldeneagle, Bek

Glengoyne

10-05-2006, 07:32 PM

Glen, atleast throw out your ideas on why the "wolves" voted for you just in case you do not make it. The more information the rest of us have, the better.

My guess is that Izulde may well be a wolf. The misdirection to a likely suspect is a good play, and gives them an almost insurmountable lead.

Neuqua

10-05-2006, 07:33 PM

That's a shame. I see GoldenEagle lurking in the thread, too bad he couldn't get a vote in.

st.cronin

10-05-2006, 07:37 PM

Izulde is taken to the gallows, and as the noose is fastened around his neck, he begins to howl in protest. He is a wolf! Quickly you string him up, and he dies. You have found your first wolf!

Night has begun - deadline for night actions is 8:30am EST.

Glengoyne

10-05-2006, 07:40 PM

Whoot!!!!

st.cronin

10-05-2006, 07:43 PM

Note - I missed GoldenEagle's last second vote, but it would not have changed the outcome of the vote. Tiebreaker is oldest continuously held vote, which was Daddytorgo's.

Neuqua

10-05-2006, 07:43 PM

Finally :)

Neuqua

10-05-2006, 07:48 PM

That's a shame. I see GoldenEagle lurking in the thread, too bad he couldn't get a vote in.

Oops, looks like he did. My apologies.

oliegirl

10-05-2006, 07:51 PM

Yes - we got one! :)

GoldenEagle

10-05-2006, 07:59 PM

Yes - we got one! :)

I have a feeling we will get another one, if we take you to the gallows tommorow.

DaddyTorgo

10-05-2006, 08:06 PM

YESSSSS!! you're welcome all as it appears my vote was the one that ensured the death of the wolf. in anticipation of maybe being killed I will write more after the bachelor party. just had to see if we succeeded. HELLLL YEAAAAA!!!

oliegirl

10-05-2006, 08:08 PM

I have a feeling we will get another one, if we take you to the gallows tommorow.

What makes you think I'm a wolf?

lighthousekeeper

10-05-2006, 08:31 PM

about damn time. now the question is - is there 1 or 2 more left?

GoldenEagle

10-05-2006, 08:32 PM

What makes you think I'm a wolf?

In post #261, you go way out of your way to make sure everyone knows that you think Izulde is a wolf. Now, then it was obviously for some sort of attention. I know you have been pressing the issue on Izulde hard the entire game. This is often a tactic deployed by wolfs. Today, I am guessing that you knew Izlude would be lynched and decided to cut your losses and pile on to make yourself look better.

Glengoyne

10-05-2006, 08:33 PM

So what do you people think of my theory of the wolves possibly jumping on me, to stave off the loss of one of their own?

oliegirl

10-05-2006, 08:42 PM

In post #261, you go way out of your way to make sure everyone knows that you think Izulde is a wolf. Now, then it was obviously for some sort of attention. I know you have been pressing the issue on Izulde hard the entire game. This is often a tactic deployed by wolfs. Today, I am guessing that you knew Izlude would be lynched and decided to cut your losses and pile on to make yourself look better.

If I were a wolf, why would I encourage people to vote off another wolf? Wouldn't I be better off going after a villager considering the entire point of the game is for the team to win, not a specific person? I had a feeling about Izulde, and I turned out to be right. I just as easily could have been wrong, but I went with my gut instinct. That's all...I wouldn't vote for someone I strongly suspect is a villager based on the same reasoning - I want my team to win.

lighthousekeeper

10-05-2006, 08:43 PM

So what do you people think of my theory of the wolves possibly jumping on me, to stave off the loss of one of their own?

i voted for you not because i necessarily think your a ww but because i knew i'd be out most of the day and needed to vote early. for once, i wanted to vote with the group majroity and things were looking pretty certain at the time that you'd be the one voted off the island.

spleen1015

10-05-2006, 10:45 PM

Glengoyne

10-05-2006, 10:47 PM

It was the late comers I was questioning. They almost swayed the vote, and took me out.

DaddyTorgo

10-06-2006, 12:11 AM

Excellent work!

I think Bek should be our target tomorrow. He was #2 on my suspect list for reasons I have already stated. I'm interested in seeing what the rest of my fellow villagers think.

With the vote being as close as it was, I don't think we have a wolf voting for another wolf. That wouldn't be a good idea, IMO. That means we have lighthousekeeper, Neuqua, GoldenEagle and Bek as wolves.

I hope the seer targets one of these 4 and survives the night. I hope the herbalist has a good feeling on who the seer is so that they can protect them if they haven't already.

Good work folks. Let's get another!

well I'm leaning towards Bek too spleen, pretty much for the reasons you said. Seems to be "overplaying" the villager role a bit much, and hasn't had a ton of original thought that has led anywhere, didn't vote this last go round (unless i'm mistaken, can't go look right this second as i'm typing obviously). Nailing one wolf buys us a little breathing room, and I'm okay with using that breathing room on Bek.

i'd type more but it's post bachelor-party and i'm tired. more tomorrow afternoon hopefully when i get a chance to sit for a bit.

Bek

10-06-2006, 01:39 AM

I'm not going to say much tonight as I am a little drunk, had a party at the mansion. Tomorrow I'm going to be looking at GE and Spleen as my targets. Have a good night all, and I'm glad to see that we are moving in the right direction.

--Bek

st.cronin

10-06-2006, 07:49 AM

You awake at dawn, and again one member of your village is missing - this time it's spleen1015 who the wolves have eaten!

Day 4 has begun - deadline 8:30pm EST

spleen1015

10-06-2006, 08:17 AM

I knew that was coming. Good luck to the rest of my fellow villagers.

oliegirl

10-06-2006, 09:09 AM

We'll miss you spleen!

spleen1015

10-06-2006, 09:10 AM

AVENGE ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:D

oliegirl

10-06-2006, 09:17 AM

AVENGE ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:D

We'll try!!!!

oliegirl

10-06-2006, 09:47 AM

Alright villagers...does anyone have a "plan of attack" from this point forward? Any hunches or gut feelings on who is a wolf? We need to start communicating and try to get on the same page here...

Glengoyne

10-06-2006, 09:51 AM

Do we start with the folks who didn't vote for Izulde? That seems logical, but then the wolves know that too. Tricky bastards.

oliegirl

10-06-2006, 10:03 AM

AVENGE ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:D

Do we start with the folks who didn't vote for Izulde? That seems logical, but then the wolves know that too. Tricky bastards.

Well here is the vote from yesterday:

Izulde - 4 (Daddytorgo, oliegirl, spleen, glengoyne)
Glengoyne - 3 (Izulde, lighthousekeeper, neuqua)

Not voted - Goldeneagle, Bek

We know we were right with Izulde, I'm hesitant to believe that you are a wolf b/c Izulde voted for you and with the vote as close as it way - I don't see a wolf knowingly voting for another wolf...just my hunch. My other hunch is that Bek is a villager and Neuqua is a wolf...like I said, it's a hunch at this point...I'm on my way out for a while but I'll re-read over the thread later this afternoon and maybe I'll spot something I missed the first time. I'll be checking in from my cell phone browser to keep up with what is going on throughout the day :)

Glengoyne

10-06-2006, 01:19 PM

Well Neuqua voted for me yesterday, and I was inclined to vote for him yesterday anyway. So I'm going to put my vote for him in the queue today, in case I'm out of contact later. Subject to review later today, of course.

Vote Neuqua

If I wasn't planning on being away later today, I wouldn't be placing the first vote for someone. I just don't want to repeat my misadventure with lsg. All you villagers out there, discuss your options, and don't bandwagon blindly. I'll try and be back to vote.

Neuqua

10-06-2006, 01:36 PM

oliegirl

10-06-2006, 02:57 PM

Oliegirl, just wondering you have a hunch that I'm a wolf?

I can understand earlier in the game when we have so little information to go with hunches but now that we're at day 4, I'm sure we can take more educated guesses.

Mainly b/c like Izulde, you haven't come up with any real ideas/reasons for suspecting anyone - it seems like you have been agreeing with other peoples ideas and voting based on that. Also, you didn't vote for Izulde, which just makes me wonder why...I have to think that it's b/c of the close vote and wolf wasn't going to vote for another wolf, same reason I suspect Glengoyne is a villager...

GoldenEagle

10-06-2006, 03:01 PM

Bek has been flying under the radar lately and that is a bit off. It is a common werewolf tactic to be active early in the game, and then tamper off with your ideas.

Glengoyne also is not cleared in my mind yet. He was close to going last night and I still think we should give him a close girl. oliegirl and all of her 'hunches' are interesting as well.

In short, I really have no clue which way I am going with my vote yet.

oliegirl

10-06-2006, 03:18 PM

GoldenEagle

10-06-2006, 04:22 PM

My hunches are "interesting"? I've only had one (Izulde) and it was right...

You have had another hunch that Neuqua was a wolf. At this point, we have to go on more than hunched if we want to survive. I am not saying that Neuqua is good/evil but we need to have more concrete evidence that Neuqua is a wolf.

Are you telling me that because of your role, your hunches mean more than others?

oliegirl

10-06-2006, 04:24 PM

Well, I'm leaving in less than an hour and won't be back until after deadline, so...

VOTE NEUQUA

I was hoping we'd get some more dialogue going today and formulate some sort of game plan, but it didn't happen. Hopefully we won't lynch another villager tonight...

GoldenEagle

10-06-2006, 04:42 PM

Bek

10-06-2006, 04:43 PM

Alrighty, so...ive been doing some thinking this morning and here is what I have come up with. The person that we need to go after is GE. I have had my eye on him the whole game but havent wanted to come out with it until now. I was afraid that if he knew that I was onto him that I would end up dying during the night. Let me prove my point that he is a wolf by going back all the way to day one a progress from there:

Day 1
GE votes for Anxiety, who that night ends up being killed. I question him on it and he says that he did it to get a reaction out of Anxiety. Although prior to GE voting anxiety says that he is going to be gone for the rest of the evening and that there is nothing you can say to a day one vote.

Fora Day One random vote? Nah. If the Day One vote were for a flawed reason ("Vote for Anxiety because he was evil in this one game I read and now I'm voting for him") then I'd be more verbal. If it were later in the game and people were wasting votes on me then I'd start talking. If a bunch of votes were one me, ditto, but not some random Day One vote. You just gotta roll with the punches.

For those who are not aware, Tuesday Night is date night for me, so I'm taking off in a few minutes and I will likely not be back until after lynch.

I dont know how you can get a response from someone if they have already sayed that they will be gone.

Day 2

GE votes late for LSG, the fifth out of 6 votes, to avoid suspicion. I said that my vote that day was random, but it wasnt. I knew at that point that GE was pulling the strings. He was the only player that could have been smart enough to kill off the two veterans first, Anxiety and Mr.W, and then pile one the bandwagon to avoid suspicion. And then he goes out that night and kills Packerfanatic, as a distraction. He was trying to throw us off track and he sucedded somewhat.

Day 3

This is when it becomes most obvious that he is a wolf. He sees that his fellow comrade, Izulde, is going to die today, and attempts to make a last minute save. He voted at 8:24 last night just before the deadline. He figured that if he was to vote that late, that if anyone did see it, it would be too late to do anything about it. Unfortunately, Glengoyne, voted for Izulde, and saved us from killing another villager. I find it suspicious that in the last 6 minutes a confirmed wolf and GE both switch their votes to the next leading canidate. This jumps out at me like nothing ever has before. That is why today we have to go after GE.

Vote GoldenEagle

--Bek

Neuqua

10-06-2006, 04:53 PM

Sigh.

You can't rely on hunches anymore at this stage of the game. Knocking me out will be detrimental for the success of our village. If the Seer is out there, now would be as good a time as any to point out any potential targets if there are any out there.

Bek

10-06-2006, 04:55 PM

dola, I didnt mean that he was smarter than us, but rather more expierenced than us. And also, today he comes out and his targets are the ones that were voting for Izulde. And then he is asking more and more about oliegirls "hunches". Seems a little suspicous to me.

Neuqua

10-06-2006, 05:00 PM

Mainly b/c like Izulde, you haven't come up with any real ideas/reasons for suspecting anyone - it seems like you have been agreeing with other peoples ideas and voting based on that. Also, you didn't vote for Izulde, which just makes me wonder why...I have to think that it's b/c of the close vote and wolf wasn't going to vote for another wolf, same reason I suspect Glengoyne is a villager...

You based your voting on Izulde on a hunch. That simple. I did not want to vote Izulde on a pure "hunch" at risk that I might end up off'ing the seer or herbalist who in my opinion are vital to this game. Especially for us new guys.

I voted for Glen for the reason that I knew for a fact he was not the seer but could in fact have been a werewolf. I was willing to make that gamble knowing that even if I were wrong, I still had a strong chance to make up for it later if the two key characters made themselves more visible later in the game.

Bek

10-06-2006, 05:17 PM

Well here is the vote from yesterday:

Izulde - 4 (Daddytorgo, oliegirl, spleen, glengoyne)
Glengoyne - 3 (Izulde, lighthousekeeper, neuqua)

Not voted - Goldeneagle, Bek

This is incorrect, he didnt miss the vote, but yet tryed to save a wolf last second. Him and Izulde, made a coordinated attack so late in the day that we couldnt have had any time to counteract it, we were merely fortunate enought that Glengoyne was around to stop it. We ended in a tie, and our luck further continued, when it went in our faver and against Izulde and GoldenEagle.

Odd, how all the coincidencies all add up, isnt it???...

DaddyTorgo

10-06-2006, 05:45 PM

Blade6119

10-06-2006, 06:18 PM

well I read what's gone down. sorry to lose a voice that I trusted as it seemed we were working up a COT. still one who I think I trust a bit. on my phone at the rehearsal dinner. I have stated before I felt this person suspicious and I agree it seems he has overplayed his role a bit.

I don't think I can bold on this browser...least it aint working so

VOTE BEK. VOTE BEK

overplayed my role???...ive been trying to staying off GE's radar so I dont get killed at night. There is a reason that players get killed off at night and it is because the wolves think that they are a threat. I didnt want this to happen to me because then you all wouldnt have been able to hear what I had to say. So i'm sry if you feel like I have overplayed my role, but trust me when I say I was doing it in the best interest of the village.

--bek

Blade6119

10-06-2006, 06:23 PM

THAT POST IS BY BEK. MATT(AKA BEK) IS AT MY HOUSE USING MY BROWSER. DO NOT BE CONFUSED, MATT IS JUST A DUMBASS

Neuqua

10-06-2006, 06:24 PM

Bek, only because it's coming down to a numbers game and I would like to continue playing, I'm going to have to vote for you before I step out. Best of luck.

Vote Bek

LoneStarGirl

10-06-2006, 06:24 PM

Bek got under blade's screen name?

oliegirl

10-06-2006, 06:56 PM

I'm still very suspicious of Neuqua, but am willing to chance it and vote with Bek (who I believe is a villager) on Goldeneagle, he makes some very good points, so...

Unvote Neuqua
Vote Goldeneagle

oliegirl

10-06-2006, 06:56 PM

Oops, forgot to bold it

Unvote Neuqua
Vote Goldeneagle

Neuqua

10-06-2006, 06:59 PM

Unvote Bek
Vote Goldeneagle

Bek presents some solid evidence, or atleast better evidence than any one of us has come up with and so I'm going to see how his feelings go. If he's a villager, then Bek may be in trouble tomorrow.

DaddyTorgo

10-06-2006, 07:18 PM

wpstill on my phone and can't bold but plz count this.

UNVOTE BEK
VOTE GOLDENEAGLE

something bek said struck a chord. hope he is right

GoldenEagle

10-06-2006, 07:20 PM

Wow, Bek, you could not be more wrong. How is everyone starting to believe him? I come back from work and everything is going to hell. What had Bek done to earn your trust?

GoldenEagle

10-06-2006, 07:22 PM

Bek has nothing at all concrete. I have been suspicious of him the entire game.

<b>Vote Bek</b>

GoldenEagle

10-06-2006, 07:22 PM

Vote Bek

Bek

10-06-2006, 07:22 PM

Wow, Bek, you could not be more wrong. How is everyone starting to believe him? I come back from work and everything is going to hell. What had Bek done to earn your trust?

What have you done to earn their trust either? Ive been hunting you for days, lets hope my suspicions are correct.

Bek

10-06-2006, 07:24 PM

wpstill on my phone and can't bold but plz count this.

UNVOTE BEK
VOTE GOLDENEAGLE

something bek said struck a chord. hope he is right

I appreicate the support, believe me, but you voted for me a whole hour after i presented my case against GE. What has changed between then and now?

--bek

Glengoyne

10-06-2006, 07:25 PM

Well, color me skeptical of Nequa still, but I'll jump on the GE bandwagon.

Unvote Neuqua
Vote Goldeneagle

GoldenEagle

10-06-2006, 07:26 PM

What have you done to earn their trust either? Ive been hunting you for days, lets hope my suspicions are correct.

I treid to save Mr. Wednesday. Your votes have been everywhere, all over the place. At least my voting has been consistent.

GoldenEagle

10-06-2006, 07:27 PM

By the way this is suppose to be a beginner game. Blad ehas been helping you the entire game and it so obvious. I really do not feel like that is fair at all.

Bek

10-06-2006, 07:27 PM

I treid to save Mr. Wednesday. Your votes have been everywhere, all over the place. At least my voting has been consistent.

You also tried to save izulde, the wolf...

GoldenEagle

10-06-2006, 07:29 PM

You also tried to save izulde, the wolf...

Whatever, Blade.

Bek

10-06-2006, 07:30 PM

By the way this is suppose to be a beginner game. Blad ehas been helping you the entire game and it so obvious. I really do not feel like that is fair at all.

i dont know what to say to this, but that is pretty degrading on your part. Blade hasnt helped me at all this game. In fact, when i missed the vote last night I was at blade's house, and didnt think of the game at all. I'm sorry if that's your thoughts, but they are wrong.

--Bek

lighthousekeeper

10-06-2006, 07:32 PM

Agreed with what has been posted recently regarding hunches. Here's my list of WW most wanted. I think we need more of this person-by-person analysis similar to what Bek has done:

Golden Eagle: I think Bek has articulated as well as I could why GE must be a ww. The vote switcheroo last night looks so suspect. I'll be really shocked if he isn't.

The only thing I thought of after was - why would a ww knowingly make that switch - even if it worked it would still implicate GE.

actually - running out of time! so i will post my person by person anaysis later. hope others do the same.

Vote GoldenEagle

Blade6119

10-06-2006, 07:34 PM

GE: Ive discussed this game, and my thoughts on who is good and bad with one person: Hoopsguy. Im not helping bek, as im one of those who thinks the new players should be able to gain confidence on their own without veterans getting involved. I was against Anxiety and Mr. W playing.

I have not helped bek at all this game, and if anything ive distracted him from it. Poor form to suggest otherwise.

Best of luck to all those playing, GE included.

GoldenEagle

10-06-2006, 07:34 PM

i dont know what to say to this, but that is pretty degrading on your part. Blade hasnt helped me at all this game. In fact, when i missed the vote last night I was at blade's house, and didnt think of the game at all. I'm sorry if that's your thoughts, but they are wrong.

--Bek

Oh come on, he has praticaly made your posts for you. I personally think it is a bunch of bull shit. This game is suppose to be for beginners. I have seen Blade lurking and reading this thread constantly. You mean to tell me that you were at his house and you two did not discuss WW at all? Bull shit. I will no a longer be playing in a game that you are in and Blade is not.

Blade6119

10-06-2006, 07:38 PM

Oh come on, he has praticaly made your posts for you. I personally think it is a bunch of bull shit. This game is suppose to be for beginners. I have seen Blade lurking and reading this thread constantly. You mean to tell me that you were at his house and you two did not discuss WW at all? Bull shit. I will no a longer be playing in a game that you are in and Blade is not.

Yes, i told him to miss the vote yesteday, becuase im sooo well known for being a proponent of quiet play. He also has avoided making arguments against players, and hasnt tried to defend himself from what ive seen. Ya, those are traits that just ooze blade :rolleyes: .

Im sorry if you percieve some injustice, but i have not been helping bek. The fact you assume i would try to sabotage a rookie game is just pathetic. I like you as a player, but your just off-base here.

I wont post on this again, so if you would like to take this to PMs im quite happy to. This is not a game I am in or helping others in. Ive followed it, but nothing more. As i said, good luck everyone. Sorry i had to come in and defend myself.

lighthousekeeper

10-06-2006, 07:41 PM

Vote Blade

:)

GoldenEagle

10-06-2006, 07:45 PM

Bek

10-06-2006, 07:49 PM

There is no way Bek, who is playing in his second game figures that kind of stuff out on his own and make a critical post to swing the voting. You taught him exactly what to say. He has already admitted he was at your house. You also know there is no way we can police this.

Bek has been floating in and out of this game and then he is able to pick up on everyhting in his second WW game? No way.

st. cronin - These beginner games are a good idea but you have people who will cheat the system which nullifies the game.

This is my 8th game. I am the most experienced player alive. You have 4, half the amount of games i have played. And i watched blade for about 3-4 games before i joined it. Before you insult my intelligence you may want to check your facts.

st.cronin

10-06-2006, 09:44 PM

deadline

GoldenEagle - Bek, oliegirl, Neuqua, Glengoyne, lighthousekeeper
Bek - GoldenEagle

I don't believe I have a vote from DaddyTorgo.

st.cronin

10-06-2006, 09:46 PM

Goldeneagle is accused of being a wolf. He is taken to the gallows, and as he is led away, he begins to howl! He is a wolf! Quickly, you toss the noose around his neck, and hang him til he is dead. Two wolves down... how many remain?

Night 4 has begun - deadline 8:30 pm Saturday Night EST

DaddyTorgo

10-06-2006, 09:58 PM

FUCK YEAH!!!! GOT ANOTHER ONE BABY!! I can't take any credit for uncovering this one or being super-convinced about this one, at least until I read a recap and thought about it a little. GE played a decent wolfie game although he also suffered from having very little in the way of new theories.

more wolves out there...prolly one more left. gonna be running scared now.

DaddyTorgo

10-06-2006, 09:59 PM

deadline

GoldenEagle - Bek, oliegirl, Neuqua, Glengoyne, lighthousekeeper
Bek - GoldenEagle

I don't believe I have a vote from DaddyTorgo.

actually i voted GE. It just wasn't bolded b/c i voted from my phone and i can't figure out how to bold the text on there with the crappy mobile-IE.

DaddyTorgo

10-06-2006, 10:06 PM

early analysis in case I bite the dust:

In the pile on GE therefore is at least one wolf. It's not Bek (who led the vote on GE) and it's not myself (who cast the earliest vote for Izulde and also switched early onto GE).

Oliegirl, Nequea, Glengoyne, lighthousekeeper

those are our 4 suspects.

Do we assume there is only 1 wolf left so the seer and/or herbalist should reveal now? Not saying they should, just asking if anyone else thinks this is sound strategy.

Personally I had thought earlier in the game (when i referred to a COT) of spleen, lighthousekeeper and myself. I don't recall any hard evidence why I had lighthouse there in my mind, I'll hafta look tomorrow afternoon. But if I can come up with some that narrows it down even further to 1/3. Even still, we have a 1/4 chance of striking right at this point (and even 1/5 if you don't believe Bek+myself are above suspiscion).

DaddyTorgo

10-06-2006, 10:14 PM

DaddyTorgo

10-06-2006, 10:17 PM

and i think a fake-reveal would be discovered before it was too late. especially if the real seer followed up the fake-reveal, then we'd just lynch one and then the other.

DaddyTorgo

10-06-2006, 10:51 PM

you're lurking olie...what are your thoughts? or are you too busy howling at the moon?

Glengoyne

10-06-2006, 11:03 PM

I was all primed to vote for Neuqua, but GE was on my short list as well. I felt Bek was allright after reviewing that Izulde was voting for him. Honestly my suspicion for GE was that he was too quiet, plus he jumped on the bandwagon to oust me along with Izulde on top of that.

Neuqua

10-07-2006, 02:44 AM

Excellent job guys :)

Though I'm not liking my chances anymore for tomorrow with GE coming to my aid the previous day. Doesn't bode well for me at all. Hopefully we can all have a good solid discussion tomorrow and find out who the last (or last couple) WWs are.

oliegirl

10-07-2006, 07:41 AM

you're lurking olie...what are your thoughts? or are you too busy howling at the moon?

I wasn't lurking, I was sleeping...and everyone knows werewolves are nocturnal - so clearly I'm a villager!

I know I'm a villager, I know Bek is a villager, I'm undecided amd a bit suspicious of both Neuqua and Lighthousekeeper. DT's rundown of suspects seems legit, but could be a ploy to keep his disguise going as well. So basically, I'm not sure what our next move should be...I'll be out and about most of the day today, but will be checking in via phone and will get my vote in before 8:30 tonight.

I'm also thinking about the seer reveal and whether or not this is a good time for that or not. I'm leaning toward yes - letting the herbalist protect him for a night and then sacrificing the seer the following night...alot will depend on who it was that got eaten by wolves last night. If both the seer and the herbalist survived another night - then I'll say yes, he should reveal...if the herbalist was eaten, well, not sure what I'll think...

st.cronin

10-07-2006, 08:51 AM

You awake at dawn, and all villagers are present and accounted for! Day 5 has begun - tentative deadline at 8:30pm Saturday EST

lighthousekeeper

10-07-2006, 09:14 AM

well that's good news. maybe the wolves have decided that eating people is bad.

but really i guess that either means the ww forgot to vote or they selected someone protected. It probably best for us to assume the latter, because that will give us some clues on who was selected to be eaten last night and who was protected.

Neuqua

10-07-2006, 11:15 AM

So we don't know which it is? We have to assume that either the wws forgot to vote or the herbalist protected the right guy?

Neuqua

10-07-2006, 11:56 AM

People at this point whom I trust (In order)

1. Myself

2. Bek - No one would put the effort he did to lynch his own. Pretty obvious he's a villager.

3. Oliegirl - With the vote being so close, no reason for her to switch her vote yesterday to Goldeneagle if she knew he was a wolf. It's arguable her switching her vote is what started the massive piling onto Goldeneagle and no wolf would do that.

3. Glengoyne - Do not quite think he's a werewolf but there is a chance he is. Switched his vote to Goldeneagle after oliegirl and myself, but there was still a chance GE could not have been lynched and so Glen won him some trust from my part.

I'm still not sure what to think of lighthousekeeper or DaddyTorgo at this point. Any ideas?

Glengoyne

10-07-2006, 12:19 PM

my thinking behind wondering if the seer should reveal: if the seer knows about 1-2 of the currently left villagers and was to reveal that it would dramatically lower the odds and the herbalist could protect them in the coming night and allow them to find out about ANOTHER player, which would lower the odds even more, to the point where we'd have several shots to take out the last remaining wolf.

My guess is that the Herbalist protected the seer last night. Just because I have an idea of who the seer is, so I think the wolves do as well. Luckilly they were protected last night or the wolves drank too much mead, and slept through the moon.

I'm sharing information, in hopes that we can end this today.

I'm feeling pretty solidly about Bek as a villager.

I was planning to vote Neuqua two days ago, and temporarilly voted for him yesterday. Leaning wolf

Lighthousekeeper: has flown under the radar a bit, perhaps that makes him suspicious. A review of his voting history is in order. Potential wolf

DaddyTorgo: I'm torn on, but perhaps only because he came after me for the lsg affair. Leaning villager.

Oliegirl: I also suspected her as a wolf, but she's been a relatively earlier adopter of the werewolf voting blocks. Leaning villager.

So I've got two suspects.

Glengoyne

10-07-2006, 12:23 PM

Oh I forgot to add that I'm curious to hear what my suspects have to say in their defense.

Neuqua

10-07-2006, 12:24 PM

Glen why do you still see me as a wolf?

I think my actions yesterday had to show you atleast a little something about being on your side.

The vote was 2-2 for Bek and myself. As soon as oliegirl changed her vote from me to Goldeneagle, I made the switch momentarily afterwards. If I knew GE was a wolf, that'd be a very stupid thing to do. Why not keep the vote on Bek, and instead have him at 2 votes while myself and GE spread out with one each? You can't seriously think I would be willing to sacrifice one of my own at this point.

Glengoyne

10-07-2006, 12:54 PM

That was a good defense neuqua. What are your thoughts(or anyone's) on Daddy Torgo and Lighthousekeeper?

Neuqua

10-07-2006, 12:58 PM

The fact that we have 4 somewhat trustworthy villagers left means that if the seer has ANY information on either DT or lighthousekeeper then now would be the time to come out with it. The odds are starting to favor us more and it's about ripe time to win this game.

oliegirl

10-07-2006, 01:30 PM

That was a good defense neuqua. What are your thoughts(or anyone's) on Daddy Torgo and Lighthousekeeper?

I'm undecided on both of them, I've decided to trust Neuqua and believe that he is a villager. So I figure we have a 50/50 chance with Lighthousekeeper and DT...at this point it seems as if we need to do one of two things:

a. Decide together who we are going to vote for tonight and hope that we pick the right person.

b. Have the seer expose themselves and give us the information they have, have the herbalist protect them tonight so they can get one more scan in and then we should have all the information we need to win.

Any one care to weigh in on which option we should choose?

Glengoyne

10-07-2006, 02:04 PM

My thoughts are that Neuqua was somewhat persuasive. Leaving the DT and Lighthouse to deal with.

I'm more in favor of selecting one of those two, for the vote tonight. I don't think it would be wise for the seer to reveal themselves. As it is, the wolves will target who ever it was they targetted last night to get the sure kill. If that is the seer, they are gone in any case.

I've got a hunch that our seer may not make it through the night, I'm taking last night's non event as a sign that the herbalist is in play as well. Based on that, if ANYONE is to "reveal" their role, it would have to be the herbalist. Who can confirm who they protected last night. That would give the wolves multiple targets, and set up a situation where the herbalist could protect the seer or the herbalist. It would be a game of chicken where either someone dies or the wolves get shut out. This option sounds fun, but risky. I vote we flip a coin. to determine which one of these two we hang.

Neuqua

10-07-2006, 02:28 PM

I don't know. I think it just may make sense at this point for the herbalist/seer to come out and tell us what they know now. I don't see myself/glen/olie surviving the night, one of us should be getting the axe.

Glengoyne

10-07-2006, 04:01 PM

For now I'm going to vote for lighthousekeeper. I don't think there is much of a chance that the seer has viewed either lighthousekeeper or DT. So I think we lynch one and have the seer view the other. Tomorrow we should know more, if we all make it through the night.

VOTE LIGHTHOUSEKEEPER

DaddyTorgo

10-07-2006, 04:33 PM

wedding done. store open. catching up on what's gone down.

DaddyTorgo

10-07-2006, 04:41 PM

wow. so the suspiscion has swung to me. let me defend myself:

1) i cast the first vote for izulde, the one that ended up dooming him because it was the earliest vote. why would a wolf do that and then not switch off at the end?

2) I switched off Bek and to GE because of something that Bek said, when that vote was still somewhat close. Switched off from my friend's rehearsal dinner for his wedding I'd like to point out.

I was on Izulde quite early and stayed on him and presented decent evidence (although it was more of a "feel" with him). Presented good evidence on GE.

If the village feels the need to lynch me, go right ahead. At least my death will narrow the odds, but I am a villager. Not the seer, not the herbalist, just a straight villager. So lynching me will help insofar as it at least cuts down the possible # of people the wolf could be, but I'd like to see us review the voting histories and posts of the people I listed as suspects last night and see if we can't come up with a better vote that will get us the last wolf.

Neuqua

10-07-2006, 04:54 PM

DT, I'd love to hear your analysis on who may not be a wolf of those remaining.

DaddyTorgo

10-07-2006, 04:57 PM

okay...I'm leaning towards Neuqua as a villager. His point about his voting history makes sense.

I don't understand why you think I'm a wolf at all Glen. To me that's VERY suspicious (although I suppose anyone would say that). Sorry I jumped on you about the LSG affair, it seemed like you had tipped something when it retrospect it seems possible/probable that you were just a n00b who said something a little too forcefully.

Honestly I'm not convinced you're a villager STILL Glen, but you're definately not on the top of my list.

My list of suspects:

1) lighthousekeeper - has played a very quiet, under the radar type game. hasn't contributed much after the beginning of the game

Big Dropoff to
2) Glengoyne - Only because he suspects me and I know I'm innocent

EVEN LARGER DROPOFF DOWN TO
3) If neither of these two is a wolf then we would need to look long and hard at someone like Bek (maybe the whole argument with GE was staged to put him above suspicion?), Oliegirl (has voted anti-WW and early but hasn't done anything to put her far-and-away in the villager camp) and Neuqua (same with the exception of what would have been sacrificing GE last night).

Let me emphasize that I feel that #1 is our most likely bet to nail a wolf, followed by a large dropoff to #2 (on my radar but a less obvious choice) and then the #3 suspects (who i just list for the sake of having a total list, i find them all pretty convincingly villager). And with at least one vote to spare, i think we go lighthousekeeper.

I won't defend myself too aggresivly, because that's quite the wolfish thing to do, but if it comes down a choice between myself and lighthousekeeper I'm voting lighthousekeeper because i KNOW that I'm a villager. I invite the seer to scan me tonight and let everyone know. And if the seer says I'm a wolf and you lynch me to try to get the win, well then you'll know that the false seer is actually a wolf and you can win it then.

VOTE LIGHTHOUSEKEEPER

DaddyTorgo

10-07-2006, 05:01 PM

addendum: I am not at all saying that anyone in #3 is a wolf or even a likely suspect. Just laying EVERYTHING out in case I buy the farm.

I think the people in #3 (Bek, Oliegirl, Neuqua) are almost certainly villagers (unless one is a wolf playing a magnificent game). I think Glengoyne is either a villager or a wolf playing a pretty damm good game. I think lighthousekeeper has the highest probability of being a wolf.

Neuqua

10-07-2006, 05:27 PM

VOTE LIGHTHOUSEKEEPER

Just too quiet. If he comes back and gives out some feedback on why he isn't a wolf, I may change my mind, but for now, I'm hoping we win this game today.

DaddyTorgo

10-07-2006, 05:40 PM

thoughts on my analysis anyone?

Neuqua

10-07-2006, 05:41 PM

Well it fits in more or less with my own analysis basically so, I guess that makes you brilliant.

:)

DaddyTorgo

10-07-2006, 05:44 PM

Well it fits in more or less with my own analysis basically so, I guess that makes you brilliant.

:)

nah. i think i'm just finally getting my mind around this game. and maybe it helps that we're all new to it too.

DaddyTorgo

10-07-2006, 05:47 PM

aaah. finally the thread is active!

DaddyTorgo

10-07-2006, 05:49 PM

4/6 of the remaining players are here...let's get some discussion going

oliegirl

10-07-2006, 05:55 PM

Vote Lighthousekeeper

I'm on my phone, don't think I can bold...pm'd st.cronin to tell him, hopefully he will still count my vote...

I'm guessing that at this point the seer will scan DT and then fill us in on everything tomorrow???

I will try to check in again before deadline, but I'm at a tailgate party for the Georgia game...GO DAWGS!!!

Glengoyne

10-07-2006, 05:57 PM

thoughts on my analysis anyone?

I'm liking it. But, you're pretty much going along with what I was hoping to happen tonight. That being, we string up suspect #1, and then we hopefully get a definitive answer from the seer about suspect #2.

If lighthouse keeper is a villager, then you(DT) will need to be cleared by the seer or you are still on the block, in my opinion.

Glengoyne

10-07-2006, 06:02 PM

Oh, I'd also like to add that I think I'm pretty much 100% certain that I've been viewed by the seer, and thereby cleared.

DaddyTorgo

10-07-2006, 06:03 PM

I think we're pretty much set on lighthousekeeper than.

let me make this perfectly clear: I INVITE the seer to scan me and fill everyone in. If lighthousekeeper isnt' the wolf than (assuming a failure by the herbalist) we'll be down to 4-1. If the real seer comes out and reassures everyone I'm a villager (which i am) then we'll have the seer and myself as confirmed good-guys, and a 33% chance in a crapshoot (better with analysis) shot at the wolf. And even assuming we fail we are still left with one last night. If the wolf fakes a revelation as the seer then the real seer will come out and tell you all i'm a villager too. And then we'll know who the wolf is by the faking. And if you choose to believe that fake seer than you'll lynch me and be down to 4-1 with the certainty that the person who fingered me is the wolf and end the game then.

that's the math as i see it.

DaddyTorgo

10-07-2006, 06:05 PM

why do you think you've been viewed and cleared Glen, as opposed to me, who has been much more vocal and involved in the game?

and you still havn't answered why you think I'm suspicious at all (which is only making me more suspicious of you, trying to divert attention from yourself?).

Seems like most other people think I'm in the clear and you were leaning villager on me earlier? Why am I anymore suspicious than oliegirl or neuqua? Bek fingered GE...I fingered Izulde. I'm not sure why I'm suspicious moreso than you or oliegirl?

DaddyTorgo

10-07-2006, 06:07 PM

i'm just confused and trying to learn for my future education how i am not cleared of suspiscion yet?

DaddyTorgo

10-07-2006, 06:21 PM

planning on answering me glen?

DaddyTorgo

10-07-2006, 06:27 PM

nothing from lighthousekeeper since he threw GE under the bus although he said he'd post his person-by-person analysis later. i see him on here now too, hopefully he is doing that and responding to the fact he's the favorite to be lynched.

and Glen has had 20 minutes to respond to my post which I'm sure he's seen asking him why I'm still suspicious. hopefully he will respond too.

lighthousekeeper

10-07-2006, 06:28 PM

well shit i just saved one of you yesterday and this is how you repay me? fine - i think we'll win out in the end anyway.

Glengoyne

10-07-2006, 06:29 PM

planning on answering me glen?

Actually I did, or tried to. My response is apparently lost in the ether, actually spinning blindly in another browser window.

This is what I said...

I've been viewed and cleared precisely because of the lsg affair. I don't see any reason to believe that you would have been viewed.

I do see reasons that others in the game would have been viewed and cleared. Therefore you are a suspect, in my mind, until you are cleared by the seer.

DaddyTorgo

10-07-2006, 06:30 PM

interesting last hour twist. lighthousekeeper claims to be the herbalist. who did you save last night lighthousekeeper? if you are the herbalist that would be valuable information in several ways.

Neuqua

10-07-2006, 06:32 PM

Gentlemen, I think we nabbed ourself yet another wolf.

:)

lighthousekeeper

10-07-2006, 06:32 PM

if i say, will that help the ww anymore?

DaddyTorgo

10-07-2006, 06:33 PM

i assume i would have been viewed because I have been (along with Bek) one of the 2-3 most active players in the game. But perhaps not. regardless, I invite the seer to view me tonight and reveal the results, as I posted a bit earlier.

interesting that lighthousekeeper is claiming to be the herbalist...i can see this being a wolfy trick (one that fooled me in my first game) but i can also see it being true. if true he ought to tell us who he saved last night and also give us more of a rundown on who he protected the other nights and why he thought them worthy of protection.

anything less indicates a desire to see us lose, which means he's a wolf.

DaddyTorgo

10-07-2006, 06:35 PM

if i say, will that help the ww anymore?

no. it will help us determine in this last hour of your existence in this game though some more information. and information is power.

lighthousekeeper

10-07-2006, 06:35 PM

well i protected spleen last night - i guess it gets easier to protect correctlty as the game progresses, because before that i was wildly off. the night before i protected bek.

DaddyTorgo

10-07-2006, 06:36 PM

for instance, who you protected last night was obviously someone the last WW wanted dead. so assuming you are the herbalist (which we will find out when you die), that person is 100% clear of being a wolf. along with the results from the seer scanning me and revealing, will give us enough of an edge to find the real wolf (again assuming it's not you) and end this game in our favor.

lighthousekeeper

10-07-2006, 06:37 PM

so unfortunately for spleen that makes him the most likely target tonight now.

DaddyTorgo

10-07-2006, 06:37 PM

spleen was already dead though...

Glengoyne

10-07-2006, 06:37 PM

Well if LHK is the herbalist, he should have no problem declaring who he protected last night. The wolves already know.

lighthousekeeper

10-07-2006, 06:38 PM

...and on night #2 i protected myself. hey that's legal!

DaddyTorgo

10-07-2006, 06:38 PM

which means the ww missed their action? or you're lying

Neuqua

10-07-2006, 06:38 PM

uhhh....

Spleen's dead already?

lighthousekeeper

10-07-2006, 06:39 PM

ahhh fuck. :o lynch me already.

Glengoyne

10-07-2006, 06:40 PM

I'm 100% certain that Spleen was the wrong answer to that question.

DaddyTorgo

10-07-2006, 06:40 PM

so are you the wolf lighthousekeeper? and even if you are, how could you make that dumb a mistake on something you could have checked, and why wouldn't you have a better answer?

DaddyTorgo

10-07-2006, 06:40 PM

I'm 100% certain that Spleen was the wrong answer to that question.

LOL

Glengoyne

10-07-2006, 06:43 PM

ahhh fuck. :o lynch me already.

You're will be done.

Neuqua

10-07-2006, 06:43 PM

so do we know for sure that LHK is the last werewolf or might there be yet another?

lighthousekeeper

10-07-2006, 06:44 PM

so are you the wolf lighthousekeeper? and even if you are, how could you make that dumb a mistake on something you could have checked, and why wouldn't you have a better answer?

panic + undue faith in a poor memory = teh suck

Glengoyne

10-07-2006, 06:45 PM

Damn without edits my gramatical error is there for posterity.

DaddyTorgo

10-07-2006, 06:47 PM

i'm confused if LHK is lying and was a dumb wolf, or if he's telling the truth and was a dumb herbalist.

guess it doesn't matter. will find out in an hour

DaddyTorgo

10-07-2006, 06:58 PM

okay. dying of hunger cuz i havn't eaten all day. too busy before the wedding and at the reception to really eat so i gotta run out and get something now. will be gone till after the vote. let's hope we're done and over by the time i get home.

Glengoyne

10-07-2006, 06:58 PM

If LHK isn't a wolf, or if the game doesn't end, a lot of my actions are going to be based on who survives the night.

Glengoyne

10-07-2006, 06:59 PM

Neuqua

10-07-2006, 07:01 PM

I think it's pretty obvious lhk has all but admitted to being the last ww. I assume none of you guys can confirm being the herbalist? Wish Oliegirl were here as well so we could get it out of the way and know for sure we got the right guy.

DaddyTorgo

10-07-2006, 07:03 PM

LHK this is your chance. He can't defend himself.

i hope you're kidding Glen. FWIW, in case the game doesn't end...you still havn't given any concrete reason why you suspect I am a wolf. ESPECIALLY in light of the fact that I have gone on record several times as inviting the seer to view me and then reveal with the results, as statistically we ought to be all-but-assured of a win at that point assuming one remaining wolf.

DaddyTorgo

10-07-2006, 07:08 PM

gonna wait to eat until after night actions. saw cronin around so i assume it should be quick.

DaddyTorgo

10-07-2006, 07:09 PM

seriously Glen..just as practice (and for my own information)...build a case against me as a WW?

Neuqua

10-07-2006, 07:09 PM

Yea hopefully it won't be too long, it's Saturday night and I'll have to leave shortly after our (hopeful) victory.

DaddyTorgo

10-07-2006, 07:10 PM

Yea hopefully it won't be too long, it's Saturday night and I'll have to leave shortly after our (hopeful) victory.

hot date?

Glengoyne

10-07-2006, 07:11 PM

lighthousekeeper

10-07-2006, 07:14 PM

before i die, i'm just going to give my guesses that the herbalist and seer are bek and oliegirl. but not sure which is which.

DaddyTorgo

10-07-2006, 07:15 PM

No absolutely kidding, but that should be obvious. If I were a wolf, I would have PM'd him.

As for why you DT. I have given a concrete reason. I don't think you've been viewed and cleared by the seer. I do believe that others in the game have been viewed and cleared.

If I'm wrong about my guess as to the seer's identity, then a lot of that goes out the window.

you believe all the others have been viewed and cleared but not me? I guess my ego finds it insulting that everyone else would be viewed but not me, especially when there are others who have been less vocal in the game. and perhaps the seer has viewed and cleared me but hasn't chosen to reveal themself yet because there is no reason to because I am not in danger and it wasn't statistically making sense to reveal yet?

Neuqua

10-07-2006, 07:19 PM

I have my guesses on who has what roles as well. Will be interesting to divulge it as soon as st cronin lets us know if there are anymore wolves after LHK.

DaddyTorgo

10-07-2006, 07:20 PM

just realized, LHK said "i'm going to guess bek and oliegirl and seer and herbalist"

implying he's neither, and he's certainly not a villager, which means he's a wolf.

should be game over.

Glengoyne

10-07-2006, 07:20 PM

Well not all of the others, but yes. I think there have been compelling reasons to view many of those remaining. You haven't really floated up to the top of the list of suspects. There has always been a better reason for the seer to view someone other than you.

I do find it interesting that you continue to bring this up at this point in the game. It is almost like you actually expect this game to continue tomorrow, as opposed to others here.

DaddyTorgo

10-07-2006, 07:21 PM

i just wanna know who LHK tried to eat that was blocked

DaddyTorgo

10-07-2006, 07:21 PM

Neuqua

10-07-2006, 07:23 PM

i just wanna know who LHK tried to eat that was blocked

Me too. Or atleast if he did try to eat somebody or did he just plain forget?

Bek

10-07-2006, 07:24 PM

ok, just got back from a long day at work at im reading up on what's going on...my vote will be coming soon

Neuqua

10-07-2006, 07:24 PM

hot date?

Friend is visiting for the weekend and we're all looking to go out and get trashed like good ol' times before we all got old.

DaddyTorgo

10-07-2006, 07:25 PM

Friend is visiting for the weekend and we're all looking to go out and get trashed like good ol' times before we all got old.

sweet. i'm statistically 1/3 of the way to dead FYI. IRL, not in this game.

Bek

10-07-2006, 07:27 PM

ok, from the quick read i did. it looks like LHK is going down tonight. so I will follow the lead here today,

Vote LightHouseKeeper

DaddyTorgo

10-07-2006, 07:28 PM

ok, from the quick read i did. it looks like LHK is going down tonight. so I will follow the lead here today,

Vote LightHouseKeeper

did you get to the part where he basically admitted he was a doggy?

Neuqua

10-07-2006, 07:29 PM

sweet. i'm statistically 1/3 of the way to dead FYI. IRL, not in this game.

Depending on the stat you're referring too, I'm right with you.

Sigh.

Quick, st cronin post the results and save me from this sadness.

DaddyTorgo

10-07-2006, 07:30 PM

Depending on the stat you're referring too, I'm right with you.

Sigh.

Quick, st cronin post the results and save me from this sadness.

i'm prolly actually closer than 1/3. i think i'm using the wrong number. but yeah...can we get a writeup?

DEADLINE

st.cronin

10-07-2006, 07:31 PM

deadline?

Glengoyne

10-07-2006, 07:32 PM

deadline?
You're not following too closely are you? :D

st.cronin

10-07-2006, 07:35 PM

final numbers:

lighthousekeeper - 5 (everybody but lighthousekeeper)

did not vote - lighthousekeeper

It's a unanimous vote, and lighthousekeeper is drug from his lighthouse kicking, screaming, and howling! Yes, he's a wolf! Quickly you string him up and lynch him! He is dead! You have driven the wolves out of your village!

VILLAGERS WIN

oliegirl was the seer
Neuqua was the herbalist

and Goldeneagle, Izulde, and lighthousekeeper were the wolves.

Neuqua

10-07-2006, 07:36 PM

Congratulations ladies and gentlemen!

DaddyTorgo

10-07-2006, 07:38 PM

well played all. i'd be curious to know who neuqua and oliegirl used their powers on when.

DaddyTorgo

10-07-2006, 07:38 PM

and Neq who'd you protect last night?

Glengoyne

10-07-2006, 07:40 PM

Whoot!

Nice play with protecting Olie last night Neuqua. I suspect she was viewing you dropping the wolvesbane in her defense.

I was actually leaning to believe that maybe DT was the herbalist, because he was wanting the seer to reveal.

I believe that Olie viewed and cleared Bek, Me, and Neuqua.

Neuqua

10-07-2006, 07:40 PM

Night 1 - Myself

Night 2 - I don't remember? Help me out st. cronin?

Night 3 - Myself

Night 4 - Bek (figured with GE's accusations of Blade helping him, the last wolf would not want to risk Bek/Blade figuring out who the other wolf was as well)

Neuqua

10-07-2006, 07:40 PM

I didn't protect olie, I protected Bek last night.

Glengoyne

10-07-2006, 07:42 PM

I didn't protect olie, I protected Bek last night.

I figured that if I had correctly devined Olie, that most everyone else had as well. I felt that she was obviously the wolves' target going into last night.

lighthousekeeper

10-07-2006, 07:42 PM

bek was protected last night (not spleen - DAMN MEMORY!)

st.cronin

10-07-2006, 07:43 PM

well played all. i'd be curious to know who neuqua and oliegirl used their powers on when.

I think the night sequences were:

Neuqua protected: Neuqua, Daddytorgo, Neuqua, bek
oliegirl scanned: Izulde, spleen, bek, neuqua

DaddyTorgo

10-07-2006, 07:44 PM

i had assumed olie was special, but i actually thought like lighthouse that bek was the seer and olie the herbalist.

although both olie and bek were onto things fairly early, so it could have been either way i guess.

anyways. food

lighthousekeeper

10-07-2006, 07:44 PM

my gut said to go for oliegirl last night as i was convinced she was the seer. but - oh well.

that was a pretty spectacular collapse by us wolves, culminating in an embarrassing gaff on my part.

DaddyTorgo

10-07-2006, 07:45 PM

yeah. which explained why olie was onto izulde so quick.

Neuqua

10-07-2006, 07:46 PM

I guess I just got lucky last night.

Glengoyne

10-07-2006, 07:47 PM

I think the night sequences were:

Neuqua protected: Neuqua, Daddytorgo, Neuqua, bek
oliegirl scanned: Izulde, spleen, bek, neuqua

Oh I forgot to mention that I thought Olie indicted Izulde early on.

I guess I was completely wrong about her viewing me though. I guess her notion that I was a villager was just good gameplay.

st.cronin

10-07-2006, 07:48 PM

I thought participation and gameplay was excellent! I didn't think the wolves played especially poorly at all - it was very unlucky that oliegirl found Izulde right away.

DaddyTorgo

10-07-2006, 07:49 PM

my gut said to go for oliegirl last night as i was convinced she was the seer. but - oh well.

that was a pretty spectacular collapse by us wolves, culminating in an embarrassing gaff on my part.

wouldn't have mattered. i was onto you earlier in the day just via process of elimination and the fact that you were fairly quiet lately like i said and hadn't come up with much of anything credible and unique. look at my list as far back as like...yesterday night and i had it narrowed down, and then you vaulted to the top.

you didn't collapse until the vote was already entirely against you, and IMHO i don't think anything you could have said at that point could have changed our minds...statistically like I said, we had to lynch one of a limited number of people even if you had convinced us of your innocence.

wasn't i going to eat?

st.cronin

10-07-2006, 07:54 PM

Oh I forgot to mention that I thought Olie indicted Izulde early on.

I guess I was completely wrong about her viewing me though. I guess her notion that I was a villager was just good gameplay.

She may well have viewed you. I'm a little bit confused, looking through my pms.

I think actually it was Izulde, somebody, spleen, bek. I think Neuqua was going to be tonight.

Neuqua

10-07-2006, 07:55 PM

so...

let's do it all over again.

:)

Glengoyne

10-07-2006, 07:58 PM

Pretty much once she had been an early accuser of Izulde, and then expressed no desire to string me up, I planned to just follow her lead.

Glengoyne

10-07-2006, 08:02 PM

so...

let's do it all over again.

:)

I think I'll be playing in future games. This was fun.

Thanks again for having this idea St.Cronin. It was a blast.

DaddyTorgo

10-07-2006, 08:06 PM

yeah thanks cronin! well run game and like I said in my pm...nice and basic and fun. curious to try another game and see if I'm getting it or not

spleen1015

10-07-2006, 08:18 PM

I had a pretty striong feeling that oliegirl was the seer. It was more a feeling than anything, but some of the things she said made me think she was.

I had no idea who the herbalist was.

I had a really strong feeling that GE was a wolf for a lot of the reasons Bek pionted out. I was waiting until the next day before I said anything. I think the wolves offed me because I was on the right track with who I was going after. After all, there were 4 folks who didn't vote for Izulde and both of the other wolves were 2 of those 4.

I was totally off with Bek being a wolf. Yikes.

Good job everyone.

Barkeep49

10-07-2006, 08:22 PM

Daddy from what alan has said to me his game should be a good test as it won't be as complicated as many.

Abe Sargent

10-07-2006, 08:35 PM

To be fair, GE projected wolf on Day One, and if I hadn't been killed on Night One.... :)

Abe Sargent

10-07-2006, 08:36 PM

Hope all of the first timers enjoyed it!!!!!!

Fouts

10-07-2006, 10:05 PM

Great read. Very well played.

hoopsguy

10-07-2006, 10:17 PM

Had fun following along. Congrats to the villagers for really picking it up once they got their first wolf.

Hope to see a few of you in the wild, wild west next week.

Izulde

10-08-2006, 12:30 PM

Nice way to rebound, villagers. Now I don't feel so bad about being the first wolf lynched since the seer caught me the first night. :D

oliegirl

10-08-2006, 04:34 PM

Mr. Wednesday

10-09-2006, 12:39 AM

Dropping hints is a dangerous game for the seer... drop too many of them, and the wolves catch on.

Glengoyne

10-09-2006, 02:11 AM

Hey guys - sorry I haven't replied sooner...I haven't been home all day.

I know I scanned Izulde the first night, it was pure luck that he happened to be a wolf. After that I don't remember the order, but I scanned Spleen, Neuqua and Bek. I kept trying to drop hints that I was the seer...mainly by saying "the way I see it" in my posts, but I don't know if anyone caught on. I would like to know how Glengoyne figured out that I was the seer :)

I had a blast playing and will definitely play again! I think it would be cool to have 2 or 3 more "beginner" games so we can all work on our strategies and figure out more how the game works, etc...

Thanks to st.cronin for running this!!!

You pointed to Izulde, in what I thought was simply out of the blue. I didn't see any reason for it. I filed that away. Then the next day you casually mentioned that you thought I was a villager or somesuch, when I think most felt I was going to be involved in a one-for-one that would have turned into an oh-for-two.

Izulde turned out to actually be a wolf. I was actually a villager, although you didn't view me as I figured. I'm guessing now that you deduced that I was a villager because the wolves wouldn't have voted for me over Izulde, were I a wolf as well.

Then you had a change of heart regarding neuqua. So I did the same.

I was worried that I'd out you in case someone hadn't caught on. I was so convinced that almost everyone had to know you were the seer, if you had survived another night, I would have started to suspect you were playing a fantastic game as a wolf.

Neuqua

10-09-2006, 12:29 PM

So is it a particularly good thing that people couldn't figure out I was herbalist or bad?

I'd love if some of the veterans critiqued our performances so we know what to work on in the future.

Alan T

10-09-2006, 12:43 PM

So is it a particularly good thing that people couldn't figure out I was herbalist or bad?

I'd love if some of the veterans critiqued our performances so we know what to work on in the future.

In my opinion it was a good thing for you and the villagers that people didnt figure it out. There is no real great reason for wanting people to know that you are a bodyguard other than to save your self from a lynch if it comes to it.

In more complex games there are often roles that arguably should or shouldn't be revealed as its debatable which side it helps more, but bodyguard is one of those that usually its best to keep quiet until you can't any longer.

Mr. Wednesday

10-09-2006, 12:46 PM

So is it a particularly good thing that people couldn't figure out I was herbalist or bad?
In addition to Alan's comment... there's nothing about the bodyguard that makes it likely for people to figure out that's what you are. The only reason to ever reveal it is if you're on the block, and even then it's debateable (because you're pretty much guaranteed to get whacked by the wolves).

hoopsguy

10-09-2006, 01:26 PM

It is hard for me to give a 100% honest critique because I saw the roles from Cronin pretty early in the game where he asked me to fill in. But I think it would have been pretty tough to determine Neuqua as the bodyguard and pretty easy to peg oliegirl as the seer by the last couple of days.

In terms of role secrecy vs reveals, I try to measure risk/reward. There is not a ton of reward to coming out as the seer on Day 1 because you can't clear anyone and you become a target. But by Day 4 of this game if the seer could have cleared two people plus herself, that would have started to really turn the heat up on the remaining wolves.

A secondary factor is the personal win vs the team win, which comes into play more with the bigger games. Obviously you want to do both, but my primary objective as a villager is to be as big a detriment to the wolves as possible. That may mean that I help the team more with an action that puts me at greater risk - again, using a mid-game seer reveal as an example of this.

I was pretty surprised that you guys did not go after Glengoyne the day after the LoneStarGirl hanging without him being cleared by a seer. In this case it was a very good surprise for the villagers and a bad one for the wolves.

What happened on the night that the wolves didn't get a kill? Did Neuqua block them or was an action not submitted? I don't think it was going to impact the game all that much, but I was curious ...

Glengoyne

10-09-2006, 10:39 PM

...

What happened on the night that the wolves didn't get a kill? Did Neuqua block them or was an action not submitted? I don't think it was going to impact the game all that much, but I was curious ...

I believe lighthousekeeper said he targetted Bek, and Neuqua protected Bek. LHK said it was a toss-up between them.

I too was pleasantly surprised by the turn of events after the LSG lynching. During the game I figured that Olie must have cleared me. Now I think it was great deduction on her part. I actually figured I'd get lynched due to a rookie move in my first game. I was going to petition SkyDog to have my title changed to "I'm a bad villager".