Werewolf i - Game Over, villagers win

[st.cronin]

Your village for too long now has been beset by wolves. You have erected your defenses, isolating yourself from the rest of the world - but, alas, this morning you awake to discover st.cronin has been torn apart by wolves! One of you, at least, must be a werewolf! Let the accusations begin.

Players

1. Izulde - lynched, day 3 (wolf)
2. Lonestargirl - lynched, day 2 (villager)
3. Spleen1015 - eaten by wolves, night 3 (villager)
4. Lighthousekeeper - lynched, day 5 (wolf)
5. Glengoyne
6. Neuqua - herbalist
7. PackerFanatic - eaten by wolves, night 2 (villager)
8. GoldenEagle - lynched, day 4 (wolf)
9. Bek
10. DaddyTorgo
11. oliegirl - seer
12. Anxiety - eaten by wolves, night 1 (villager)
13. Mr. Wednesday - lynched, day 1 (villager)

Rules

RULES

Werewolf is a game of accusation, deduction, lying, reverse psychology and bandwagoning. Moreover, it's a lot of fun.

The rules are pretty simple: The players represent a village and each member of the village has a role which is kept secret. Most players are ordinary villagers but two or more are werewolves and one is a seer, there are some other roles which are explained later. The goal of the villagers is to eliminate all of the werewolves. The goal of the werewolves is to achieve 1:1 parity with the villagers at which time they can openly rise up and overwhelm the villagers thus winning the game.

Gameplay
The game consists of two different phases: Night and Day. The game begins with a Night phase.

Night
In a night phase the moderator will ask the werewolves to choose a villager to “eat” and also ask the seer to choose one player to “view”. The werewolves should decide amongst themselves using the board's PM(private message) function who their victim will be and inform the moderator of their choice. The seer should decide who his target will be and inform the moderator of his choice.

The werewolves' victim is dead and is removed from the game, but the rest of the village won't find out until daytime who the victim is and what their secret role was.

The seer's target has his role (villager or werewolf) revealed to the seer only.

Day
During the daytime the villagers all wake up and find that one of their own has been killed by the werewolves. At this point at least one player is a werewolf and so someone is gonna get lynched.

During this phase all players, including werewolves who have assumed villager form, must discuss their suspicions. Eventually it will reach a point where villagers start to cast votes for who they feel is a werewolf and must be lynched. Votes are cast by placing bold text in a post like this VOTE PLAYER A. At the end of the day (which is defined as 8:00 pm board time) the player who received the most votes is lynched and is removed from the game. That player’s role will be revealed to the village.

When the lynching is done all the villagers go back to their homes to sleep and the next night begins.

Winning
In case it's not clear: The villagers win if they kill all of the werewolves. The werewolves win if they kill enough villagers so that their numbers are equal. At this point the werewolves can openly rise up and slaughter the rest of the villagers.

Special Roles

Roles will be assigned randomly; the Moderator will inform you of your role via PM when we start the game. The following is a description of the roles in the game.

Seer – There is one Seer in the game and he is on the villagers team. Each night the Seer may choose one other player to “view” by sending a PM to the moderator with that player’s name. The moderator will tell the Seer whether his chosen target is a werewolf or a human.

Herbalist - There is one Herbalist in the game, and he is on the villagers team. Each night the Herbalist may choose one other player to protect with his wolfsbane. He may not protect the same player two nights in a row. He may, if he chooses, protect himself, but again, not on consecutive nights.

Werewolf – The werewolves know who each other are and may send PM’s between themselves to discuss strategy. At night the wolves PM the moderator the name of the player they’d like to eat.

These rules were mostly lifted verbatim from Peregrine's initial game. I have added the role of Herbalist.

Roles are coming. Pm me with questions! Day 1 will end Tuesday at 8:00pm Eastern Time.

[st.cronin]

All roles have been sent out via pm.

To accuse a player of being a wolf, name him this way:

VOTE ST.CRONIN

All caps, all bold, and with at least one blank line between any text. To change your vote, you need to unvote:

UNVOTE ST.CRONIN
VOTE SKYDOG

There is NO editing of posts, and you are not allowed to quote directly any pm I send you.

[Bek]

well let me welcome you to my village...i will be known as the mayor....i want to be reffered to as Mayor Bek......

villager checking in

[DaddyTorgo]

villager checking in

*mans the ropes and starts tying nooses for the lynch mob*

[Bek]

villager checking in

*mans the ropes and starts tying nooses for the lynch mob*

welcome to the village, i like to see motivated people....

[LoneStarGirl]

Hey guys, i am just a villager. Boring villager. Who is going to get the ball rolling on the votes?

[DaddyTorgo]

day 1 votes are such a crapshoot, that it seems like the votes tend to come at the end when we see who has failed to check in or whatever.

[Glengoyne]

"AYE" Villager here.

I've got a few thoughts about how to deal with the emerging wolf problem.

[GoldenEagle]

Villager checking in.

[Neuqua]

Ahoy, Villager hurr be.

[Abe Sargent]

I'm here

[spleen1015]

Good luck to my fellow villagers.

[Bek]

"AYE" Villager here.

I've got a few thoughts about how to deal with the emerging wolf problem.

dont think pesticides are going to work this time...care to share???

[lighthousekeeper]

Lighthousekeeper checking in.

[Mr. Wednesday]

This is nothing personal, but nothing is more depressing than being voted down on the first day, so I'm going to spare the new players the honor of my vote.

VOTE ANXIETY

Welcome to the crapshoot that is day 1, new folk. :p

[Bek]

I think we need to keep this a talkative game, get people invovled and dont let anyone hide, we need to make sure we keep people accountable for their actions. Also, a talkative game is a funnier and more exciting game. my .02

--Bek

[spleen1015]

An observation...

Anxiety and lighthousekeeper checking in without identifying themselves as villagers.

Could be nothing....

[Bek]

An observation...

Anxiety and lighthousekeeper checking in without identifying themselves as villagers.

Could be nothing....

i would have to side that it is nothing. but idk, it would be somthing to keep in mind. Would be interesting to see at the end of the game.

--bek

[Abe Sargent]

An observation...

Anxiety and lighthousekeeper checking in without identifying themselves as villagers.

Could be nothing....

I don't believe in the "I'm a villager not a wolf" posts that almost everyone does. They don't have meaning. Since my first game, I've never done them, and even in my first game I protested when I did it.

[GoldenEagle]

An observation...

Anxiety and lighthousekeeper checking in without identifying themselves as villagers.

Could be nothing....

I doubt it is anything at this point. We really do not have much to go on at this point, other than people claiming to be villagers. I would watch the quiet ones. The new players may be wolves and not sure how to go with that role.

[spleen1015]

I'm pretty sure that it means nothing, but it gives us something to talk about. :)

The quiet ones..

PackerFanatic and oliegirl haven't been on the board since before PMs were sent. Izulde has posted a couple of times in the Heroes thread in GD since PMs came out.

[GoldenEagle]

That is the only thing we really have to go on at this point unless someone comes forward in the future.

[lighthousekeeper]

Any fellow libertarians in the village will want to lynch the mayor. Down with government! Let anarchy rule! ...wait, what's this game about again?

[PackerFanatic]

Sorry, I am here....had to watch the Packers get slaughtered last night *sigh*

And to get things rolling...

VOTE LONESTARGIRL

Something about her post bugs me, not sure what...but it smells quite wolfey.

[spleen1015]

Just to help folks keep track.

Mr. Wednesday votes Anxiety - #15
PackerFanatic votes LoneStarGirl - #24

Anxiety - 1
LoneStarGirl - 1

[GoldenEagle]

This is nothing personal, but nothing is more depressing than being voted down on the first day, so I'm going to spare the new players the honor of my vote.

VOTE ANXIETY

Welcome to the crapshoot that is day 1, new folk. :p

I am sort of suspicious of this vote. Maybe a couple of veterans trying to create establish a voting pattern early? I am not saying this is the case, but I am not sure if I buy the reasoning of not wanting to vote for a new person.

[spleen1015]

I am sort of suspicious of this vote. Maybe a couple of veterans trying to create establish a voting pattern early? I am not saying this is the case, but I am not sure if I buy the reasoning of not wanting to vote for a new person.

I dunno. Day 1 is really a crapshoot.

[Izulde]

Villager Izulde checking in.

[Bek]

well at this point I dont think that the veterans are making a voting pattern, day one is just a crapshoot. The only person to check in is oliegirl. So at this point...

Vote Oliegirl

Will change if something later in the day happens

--Bek

[Bek]

dola,

meant not check in....my bad

[GoldenEagle]

I dunno. Day 1 is really a crapshoot.

I agree that Day 1 is a crapshoot. But establishing voitng patterns against each other is a common wolf tactic. I am not getting ready to accuse these two of being wolves, but I think it is something to consider down the road.

I would like to hear Mr. Wednesday and Anxiety comment on this further. Anxiety has been taking sort of a hands off approach lately. We will see where that goes.

[lighthousekeeper]

Are people usually as quite as Anxiety and Olliegirl after getting voted against? I would have expected some "stop - I'm a villager" sort of response, or something.

[spleen1015]

oliegirl hasn't been on the site since around 9am yesterday. So, she may not even know the game is happening.

Anxiety on the other hand....

[DaddyTorgo]

Are people usually as quite as Anxiety and Olliegirl after getting voted against? I would have expected some "stop - I'm a villager" sort of response, or something.

yeah. but you know everyone will say that when you vote against them. later in the game you'll see that more, but this early there's no evidence anyone has to backup the fact that they're a villager.

[GoldenEagle]

It would be tough for me to vote for olliegirl. I am trying to give her the benefit of the doubt.

[oliegirl]

Villager Oliegirl checking in...I stopped at the store while I was out and stocked up on Silver Bullets :)

[oliegirl]

Dola...sorry I'm late, I wasn't home much yesterday and didn't realize it had started...promise to keep up now!

[PackerFanatic]

Like everyone says, Day 1 is the toughest...really just feeling people out, getting acquainted with the game. I will stick with my vote unless someone convinces me otherwise.

[Bek]

Villager Oliegirl checking in...I stopped at the store while I was out and stocked up on Silver Bullets :)

good to see you around,

Unvote Oliegirl

[Abe Sargent]

Are people usually as quite as Anxiety and Olliegirl after getting voted against? I would have expected some "stop - I'm a villager" sort of response, or something.

Fora Day One random vote? Nah. If the Day One vote were for a flawed reason ("Vote for Anxiety because he was evil in this one game I read and now I'm voting for him") then I'd be more verbal. If it were later in the game and people were wasting votes on me then I'd start talking. If a bunch of votes were one me, ditto, but not some random Day One vote. You just gotta roll with the punches.

To be fair, this is only my ninth or tenth game as a player. I'm not nearly as much of a vet as my rep my entail.

[Abe Sargent]

For those who are not aware, Tuesday Night is date night for me, so I'm taking off in a few minutes and I will likely not be back until after lynch. That means I need to vote now. With nothing to go on, I am merely reciprocating on Mr. Wednesday for voting for me. SInc ehe does not want to vote for neophytes (I notion I disagree with, btw), he shouldn't mind if I use that ploy against him.

Vote Mr. Wednesday


Good luck to you all.

[Mr. Wednesday]

I have absolutely no problem with you following along with that, FWIW.

[Izulde]

Today is a Tuesday, not a Wednesday, so that tells me it's just not Wednesday's day. That seems as good a reason to me as any to:

Vote Mr. Wednesday

[LoneStarGirl]

Hahaha Good one.

Vote Mr. Wednesday

This seems like a good day to jump on the bandwagon.

[GoldenEagle]

I am not sure if the bandwagon jumping is correct at this point. I know I have raised some suspicions on Mr. Wednesday, but I am not sure he is a wolf.

[LoneStarGirl]

Right now you have no information to tell if anybody is a wolf. Day One is really the ONLY day to jump on the bandwagon.

[Bek]

ok, nothing against the guy but its day one

Vote Neuqua

[Neuqua]

ok, nothing against the guy but its day one

Vote Neuqua


No offense taken.

Vote Bek

:)

[oliegirl]

Make room on the bandwagon...

Vote Mr. Wednesday

[spleen1015]

VOTE MR. WEDNESDAY

[GoldenEagle]

Well, I am not sure what to think. It is day 1 but I am not sure of Mr. Wednesday.

<b>Vote Anxiety</b>

[GoldenEagle]

Sorry...

Vote Anxiety

[Bek]

here is the vote total as I see it so far:

Mr. Wednesday-5
anxiety-2
bek-1
Neequa-1
lonestargirl-1

No Vote: glengoyne, daddytorgo, lighthousekeeper

[Bek]

this is going to be a slow game isnt it??? 10 minutes before the day ends and no one is on???

[Izulde]

I'm in class at the moment.

Just checking in real quick during the 10 minute break.

[st.cronin]

deadline

[Bek]

deadline

i wasnt sure what was going to happen today...i was really holding my breath

[Bek]

dola, i hope that we have something to go on for tommorrow

if we stay quiet it gives the wolves the advantage, we need to stay talkative

[st.cronin]

Vote totals

Anxiety - 2 (Mr. Wednesday, GoldenEagle)
Lonestargirl - 1 (PackerFanatic)
Mr.Wednesday - 5 (Lonestargirl, oliegirl, spleen1015, Anxiety, Izulde)
Neuqua - 1 (Bek)
Bek - 1 (Neuqua)


Mr. Wednesday is the lucky victim today - you drag him off to the gallows, tighten the noose around his neck, and haul him up. He dies, as a human. He was a villager, not a wolf! Night 1 has begun. Night actions are due at 8:00am. If I recieve all night actions early, I will process the night early.

Game note - I neglected to describe the tie-breaker rules for this game. Basically, the oldest continuously held first vote wins the tiebreaker.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Doh! Well, I have to take part of the blame for my own logic returning against me.

Good luck, folks.

[lighthousekeeper]

shoot - got hung up at work and missed the deadline. definitely not a good start. In the future I will vote earlier in the day when I get the chance so this doesn't happen again.

[DaddyTorgo]

fuck. just realized i missed the vote. was out getting a TV for my buddy's wedding present.

[st.cronin]

Most GMs keep a later deadline than I do. I may move it back 30 minutes for the duration of the game.

[LoneStarGirl]

Dang, we are 0 for 1. I guess we just sit back and see what the wolves do

[Glengoyne]

Crap, I got tied up at work as well. Budgets were due.

Sorry 'bout that Mr. Wednesday.

We villagers have to do better! We can't just "guess" at this tomorrow, if we don't all make it through the night.

[PackerFanatic]

Hey, I wasn't on that bandwagon, but still not much to go on at this point. I guess we wait and see what happens after tonight and go from there...let's get one tomorrow, villagers!

[Glengoyne]

My wife is not the least bit concerned that I might be eaten tonight.

[LoneStarGirl]

From the previous games i have watched it seems that the people who miss votes are usually the next to go

[st.cronin]

You awake at dawn, and discover with dismay that one of you is missing. Anxiety has not joined you! His bloody remains are discovered in his home - the wolves are still among you!

Day 2 has begun - deadline 8:30pm EST

[Bek]

You awake at dawn, and discover with dismay that one of you is missing. Anxiety has not joined you! His bloody remains are discovered in his home - the wolves are still among you!

Day 2 has begun - deadline 8:30pm EST

This is bad news, they are killing off the vets, not saying the new guys arent good, because we are, but now we have no one to drive the conversations...

[Glengoyne]

I had my suspicions, now I'm positive. I would have raised my voice last evening, but for fear that I might be targetted this night.


VOTE LONESTARGIRL

Okay I've really just got a feeling, but it's a good feeling.

[Abe Sargent]

Hmpf. Good luck all!

[st.cronin]

Hoopsguy will be posting results for day 2 Wednesday night, as I will not be around.

[LoneStarGirl]

After one whole day you have a feeling? And its towards me? Any reasons behind this feeling?

[spleen1015]

My thoughts...

With not much time left and the vote clearly in favor of Mr. W, GoldenEagle votes for Anxiety. I think if he was a wolf, he would have joined the Mr. W bandwagon. UNLESS, he wants us off the trail! So, I am suspicious of him.

I am also suspicious of LoneStarGirl and oliegirl. I don't have a good feeling about them jumping on the Mr. W bandwagon. He got 5 votes and I think at least 2 of those votes are WWs. I know I am a villager, so the other 4 are on the radar with this 2 at the top!

I'm not suspicious of the folks who missed the vote. I believe they are newer players. I don't think they would have missed the vote had they been werewolves. BUT, missing the vote as a WW when the vote has already pretty much been decided doesn't raise any flags.

So, right now, I'm leaning towards GoldenEagle, LoneStarGirl, and oliegirl as WWs.

lighthousekeeper, Glengoyne, and DaddyTorgo I'm watchin' you!

[GoldenEagle]

The Anxiety killing is a bit suspicious. I guess the vote trading between Anxiety and Mr. Wednesday meant nothing. I am a bit concerned about Glengoyne right now. It is almost like he is trying to play a villager a bit too hard.

I am looking at the Day 1 votes and nothing really jumps out. As bek said, they are targeting veterans. I am not sure if that tells us anything at this point. I am interested in the ones who are not saying much. Are they afraid that they might slip up and make a mistake?

I really do not have anything else that is coming to mind at this point.

[Izulde]

I think spleen has some interesting points worth considering.

I think LoneStarGirl is trying too hard to act innocent, so with that and with spleen's commentary somewhat indicting her, I think I'm going to go that route.

Vote LoneStarGirl

[lighthousekeeper]

I don't think Bek is a WW, because he has posted asking us to be more talkataive and I don't think a WW would do that.

I don't see what others are seeing with regards to LoneStarGirl.

After reading the previous posts, I think PackerFanatic is the most suspicious. He's been relatively quiet. And if the WW are voting off veterans as suggested, and it seems that he is familiar with the game

So:

Vote PackerFanatic

[spleen1015]

This game is freakin' whack-wiggity-wiggity-whack!

I have like 88 reasons why each of the rest of you are WWs.

While I like the support, I am now suspicious of Izulde for jumping on my thoughts so quickly.

LoneStarGirl, are you a werewolf? Can I even ask this question?

[PackerFanatic]

I have played only a couple of times, so I would consider myself a "veteran". But I have just kind of sat back and listened, not really sure what to think yet. I am kind of suspicious as to why lonestargirl didn't say anything after my vote of her last night, and now that others are seeing it too...I will have to vote for her again.

VOTE LONESTARGIRL

[oliegirl]

I have some suspicions, but nothing I'm ready to put down for others to read yet...need a little bit more information first.

I'm going to wait until later to cast my vote, I won't be home tonight after about 6 or so, but I'll make sure it's up by then.

[Glengoyne]

My thoughts...

With not much time left and the vote clearly in favor of Mr. W, GoldenEagle votes for Anxiety. I think if he was a wolf, he would have joined the Mr. W bandwagon. UNLESS, he wants us off the trail! So, I am suspicious of him.

I am also suspicious of LoneStarGirl and oliegirl. I don't have a good feeling about them jumping on the Mr. W bandwagon. He got 5 votes and I think at least 2 of those votes are WWs. I know I am a villager, so the other 4 are on the radar with this 2 at the top!

I'm not suspicious of the folks who missed the vote. I believe they are newer players. I don't think they would have missed the vote had they been werewolves. BUT, missing the vote as a WW when the vote has already pretty much been decided doesn't raise any flags.

So, right now, I'm leaning towards GoldenEagle, LoneStarGirl, and oliegirl as WWs.

lighthousekeeper, Glengoyne, and DaddyTorgo I'm watchin' you!

I'm with Spleen, in that I'm suspecting those that targetted Wednesday as WWs. The downside is that Spleen is on that list as well. So know, I'm watching you too Spleen.

Lonestargirl,
I've just got this werewolf vibe from your posts. You're active, but proclaiming innocence. I'm sticking with my vote.

[lighthousekeeper]

This game is freakin' whack-wiggity-wiggity-whack!

I have like 88 reasons why each of the rest of you are WWs.

While I like the support, I am now suspicious of Izulde for jumping on my thoughts so quickly.

LoneStarGirl, are you a werewolf? Can I even ask this question?

For some reason that post makes me suspect you.
*paranoia starting to set in*

[spleen1015]

I fully expect to be suspected for some of the reasons I'm suspecting others.

I assure you guys though that I am villager.

[GoldenEagle]

We are not going to get anything accomplished if everyone jumps and and starts getting paranoid and accusing everyone of being a wolf. We need to develop a circule of trust. I know it is only day 2 but I have feeling the villagers could be fastly losing grip on this game.

Just calm down and think about things logically and see if we can come up with some reasonable leads.

[spleen1015]

I'm just goofing around. It is hard to build a circle of trust at this point.

I agree that there needs to be some logic used, but there isn't much to use at this point.

[Neuqua]

As soon as the MR. W. bandwagon started, I right away initially suspected that whomever the werewolves were at the time would also hop in. Because I think I will probably need atleast another turn before the information really starts making sense, I am still going to go ahead and take a Instinct play, admittedly one that may not have much merit behind it.

VOTE LONESTARGIRL

[spleen1015]

#71 - Glengoyne votes LoneStarGirl(1)
#77 - Izulde votes LoneStarGirl(2)
#78 - lighthousekeeper votes PackerFanatic(1)
#80 - PackerFanatic votes LoneStarGirl(3)
#87 - Neuqua votes LoneStarGirl(4)

[Bek]

LoneStarGirl, are you a werewolf? Can I even ask this question?

you can ask it all you want im just not sure if she will answer truthfully

[Bek]

with three people missing the vote last night, i think it's awfully convienient that they all were like "Oops, didnt realize what time it was" in so many words. Every time that you come into the thread it says when the day is going to end. I thinik we have to be looking at these three carefully, because I believe that at least one of them is a wolf. Also, about the Mr. W bandwagon, its unfortunate that we had to loose him yesterday, but we have to take what we can from his death. The bandwagon on Day 1 is very interesting to me. Usually, from what little experience I have with these games, Day 1 tends to be more spread out on the votes. To have such a bandwagon on a single person worries me. I'm alos looking there for a posssible wolf or two???....by the way....how many wolves to we think started the game???

--Bek

[PackerFanatic]

probably at least 4 or 5.

[spleen1015]

probably at least 4 or 5.

3 is the number that sticks out to me. I think 5 is too many. They wouldn't have to eliminate too many folks before they have the game won. If there are 5, then we're one person away from losing on Day 2. That's way unbalanced.

I think it is either 2 or 3.

[Bek]

probably at least 4 or 5.

how do you figure this....the way im looking at it, there are probably two. If there were 4 or 5 then the game would be over on night 2. Just my thoughts, out to lunch will be back before lynch.

--Bek

[PackerFanatic]

Okay, I lookd back, 5 is definitely too high...but I could see it being 4. Obviously at least 3.

[spleen1015]

With 4, we could be done on Day 3. I don't see that happening either. Probably 3, could be 2.

[oliegirl]

Vote Izulde

My reasoning: Izulde is usually very chatty/talkative, expounding about everything from women's perfume to, well, just about everything. Yet in this thread he has been remarkably quiet - which makes me suspicious. Since he is a newbie I'm thinking that he possibly doesn't know "how to play" and isn't sure what he should/could say without giving away his WW status. Just my 2 cents...

[spleen1015]

Vote Izulde

My reasoning: Izulde is usually very chatty/talkative, expounding about everything from women's perfume to, well, just about everything. Yet in this thread he has been remarkably quiet - which makes me suspicious. Since he is a newbie I'm thinking that he possibly doesn't know "how to play" and isn't sure what he should/could say without giving away his WW status. Just my 2 cents...

He is also a Mr. W voter.

An item that probably means nothing, he has been the 2nd voter for each person he has voted for.

[oliegirl]

He is also a Mr. W voter.

An item that probably means nothing, he has been the 2nd voter for each person he has voted for.

I hadn't noticed that, but you are right...and he hasn't come up with anything on his own - just agreed with others, which like I said, is pretty unlike him. Seems awfully quick to go along with a vote and doesn't seem to have alot of "backup" for his actions...

[spleen1015]

One thing I wonder about... Why aren't folks defending themselves when they get voted for?

[spleen1015]

One other thing that makes me suspicious about Izulde. He was active on the forums quite a bit yesterday before checking into this thread. Being a new player and a wolf, I think he was unsure on how to handle himself, thus avoiding posting in the thread.

VOTE IZULDE

[DaddyTorgo]

Here's my vote: Glengoyne. I think Glengoyne is a wolf, because the real seer shouldn't be quite so clumsy in seeming so certain about someone. His post accusing Lonestargirl reads to me like someone saying "over here over here I'm the seer." And that would be something the real seer wouldn't do, and something no innocent villager/herbalist would do. Therefore Glengoyne is a wolf. Makes sense to me.

i won't miss the vote tonight. lemme just fill you all in on my RL craziness right now though so you know I'm not BSing.

My store is closed for remodel and they are letting us back in to setup as of 2pm tomorrow. So I'm dealing with all that uncertainty and stuff. Tomorrow I go straight from work @ 6:30 to my best friend's bachelor party. friday i work in the AM until like 3pm, then have the rehearsal dinner at my house at 6:30. Saturday is the wedding, and then sunday i work at 5am.

So honestly I probably shouldn't have hopped into this game, as things are crazy right now RL-wise. And for some reason IE won't work on my phone, so it's impossible for me to keep up while I'm out (although I will be fixing that tonight so that i can at least vote).

[spleen1015]

I didn't see the seer angle on Glengoyne. It is a good point and something to consider.

He may also be the real seer, but due to inexperience, he has made a mistake with seemingly being obvious about it.

[DaddyTorgo]

I didn't see the seer angle on Glengoyne. It is a good point and something to consider.

He may also be the real seer, but due to inexperience, he has made a mistake with seemingly being obvious about it.


true true. i considered that. giving him the benefit of the doubt then, should we off lonestargirl and if she ends up being innocent off him next?

[spleen1015]

true true. i considered that. giving him the benefit of the doubt then, should we off lonestargirl and if she ends up being innocent off him next?

The way he presented it makes me want to believe that he is the seer and knows for sure.

I think it may have been a bad move to come right out with it. If LoneStarGirl gets it tonight and turns out to be a wolf, I think it is a pretty safe bet that Glengoyne will be the next one to go since all signs point to him being the seer.

If that is the case, I hope the herbalist is paying attention. They could save him.

[Izulde]

Actually when I'm in games with other people where I'm new to the whole deal, I tend to be pretty quiet period.

If you look at the HFL boards, you'll notice I'm not all that chatty there. It's a newness and other people thing.

As for going along with what other people are saying, I'm just assuming that they've watched the games and/or participated in one or two so they'd have a better idea of how we're going to figure out who the wolves are than I'd be able to piece together myself.

[spleen1015]

BTW, DaddyTorgo, if you're really voting for Glengoyne, make sure you put it in bold so that it can be seen.

[oliegirl]

Actually when I'm in games with other people where I'm new to the whole deal, I tend to be pretty quiet period.

If you look at the HFL boards, you'll notice I'm not all that chatty there. It's a newness and other people thing.

As for going along with what other people are saying, I'm just assuming that they've watched the games and/or participated in one or two so they'd have a better idea of how we're going to figure out who the wolves are than I'd be able to piece together myself.

Hmmm, first person to really defend himself after receiving votes...guilt or simply trying to be more active in the game?????

[DaddyTorgo]

BTW, DaddyTorgo, if you're really voting for Glengoyne, make sure you put it in bold so that it can be seen.


of course. i wasn't actually voting yet. i intend to spend the next 3 hours sitting on my ass, so plenty of time to vote when it gets a bit closer. i wanted to dialogue about the glengoyne thing with my fellow villagers first.

[spleen1015]

Hmmm, first person to really defend himself after receiving votes...guilt or simply trying to be more active in the game?????

It is because I'm hot on his trail! :D

[spleen1015]

of course. i wasn't actually voting yet. i intend to spend the next 3 hours sitting on my ass, so plenty of time to vote when it gets a bit closer. i wanted to dialogue about the glengoyne thing with my fellow villagers first.

I figured, but wanted to make sure. You brought something to my attention and I am grateful.

Let's just hope you are on the good side.

[DaddyTorgo]

i'm on the good side. much as i don't want to be. i'm sick of being a boring villager, i want to munch n crunch on some bones sometime man!

[Bek]

Here's my vote: Glengoyne. I think Glengoyne is a wolf, because the real seer shouldn't be quite so clumsy in seeming so certain about someone. His post accusing Lonestargirl reads to me like someone saying "over here over here I'm the seer." And that would be something the real seer wouldn't do, and something no innocent villager/herbalist would do. Therefore Glengoyne is a wolf. Makes sense to me.

I saw it too, but didnt want to say anything, I was hoping that the wolves might have missed it and looked past it. Apparently, we werent on the same page, oh well, lets just hope that the bodyguard knows what he is doing tonight. And maybe the real seer would do that, although I do think that they might have tried to conceal it more. We will just have to wait and find out. I'm still not sure on my vote tonight, running a few ideas through my head right now and seeing which one is the most likely to be true.

--Bek

[DaddyTorgo]

I saw it too, but didnt want to say anything, I was hoping that the wolves might have missed it and looked past it. Apparently, we werent on the same page, oh well, lets just hope that the bodyguard knows what he is doing tonight. And maybe the real seer would do that, although I do think that they might have tried to conceal it more. We will just have to wait and find out. I'm still not sure on my vote tonight, running a few ideas through my head right now and seeing which one is the most likely to be true.

--Bek

well the other thing to remember is that in a lot of respects this is a "training wheel" game, so *shrug* can't get upset at people for making legit mistakes like that if they actually were mistakes and not deliberate misinformation.

either glengoyne misplayed it, or didn't intend for it to come out worded like it did, or he's a wolf. if he ends up being the seer and we lynch him then at least we (assume) lonestargirl is a wolfy. hopefully he'll clarify for us before deadline if he's just an innocent villager who misplayed it, as IIRC secret roles are not revealed upon death in this game, but I don't think we can go wrong either going after him or lonestargirl. Take one today, and then depending on the result of that, take the other tomorrow, or they're cleared.

[Bek]

well the other thing to remember is that in a lot of respects this is a "training wheel" game, so *shrug* can't get upset at people for making legit mistakes like that if they actually were mistakes and not deliberate misinformation.

either glengoyne misplayed it, or didn't intend for it to come out worded like it did, or he's a wolf. if he ends up being the seer and we lynch him then at least we (assume) lonestargirl is a wolfy. hopefully he'll clarify for us before deadline if he's just an innocent villager who misplayed it, as IIRC secret roles are not revealed upon death in this game, but I don't think we can go wrong either going after him or lonestargirl. Take one today, and then depending on the result of that, take the other tomorrow, or they're cleared.

im not getting mad at anyone, and if it came across like that well then im sorry but like you said we need some clarification form glengoyne. And for lonestar???...any reason that we shouldnt vote for you???

[Bek]

Hmmm, first person to really defend himself after receiving votes...guilt or simply trying to be more active in the game?????

combintion of the two would be my guess, i think he has somethig to hide but doesnt want to come out with it. Therefore, he has to become more talkative so that he doesnt get lynched. Being active only helps him and the rest of us villagers, so I urge us all to be bouncing thoughts and ideas off of each other.

--Bek

[Bek]

Just throwing this out here as I see more and more people looking into the thread...with two vets dying the first 24 hr cycle, I believe someone knows what they are doing...this leads me to believe that we have a very smart wolf on our hands...someone that has expierence and realizes what a threat these two were if they could have lived. Any ideas on who it could be???

[Neuqua]

Just letting you guys all know I'm checking out for the night. Won't be back until either very late tonight or early tomorrow morning. Here's hoping we did well.

[DaddyTorgo]

im not getting mad at anyone, and if it came across like that well then im sorry but like you said we need some clarification form glengoyne. And for lonestar???...any reason that we shouldnt vote for you???

i didn't mean mad. what i meant was like, we can't be upset if that like costs us an ally.

[DaddyTorgo]

Just letting you guys all know I'm checking out for the night. Won't be back until either very late tonight or early tomorrow morning. Here's hoping we did well.

did you vote?

[lighthousekeeper]

One thing I wonder about... Why aren't folks defending themselves when they get voted for?

Especially Lonestargirl, who's about to face the ol' rope. Please, LSG at least give us some kind of defense to go off of.

[Bek]

i didn't mean mad. what i meant was like, we can't be upset if that like costs us an ally.

true, but it would be unfortunate, but I would like to keep as many villagers as we can.

[DaddyTorgo]

true, but it would be unfortunate, but I would like to keep as many villagers as we can.

well that is the goal

[GoldenEagle]

I had my suspicions, now I'm positive. I would have raised my voice last evening, but for fear that I might be targetted this night.


VOTE LONESTARGIRL

Okay I've really just got a feeling, but it's a good feeling.

Is this the post in question? To me Glengoyne came off as suspicious with his whole my wife has no idea I might get eated tonight post. But, at this point, DaddyTorgo's idea seems like a good one.

[Bek]

well that is the goal

indeed it is...:)

[Bek]

Is this the post in question? To me Glengoyne came off as suspicious with his whole my wife has no idea I might get eated tonight post. But, at this point, DaddyTorgo's idea seems like a good one.

yep thats the one....agreed with the whole wife thing...seems a little wolfie to me.

GE, any reason you voted for anxiety last night??? You seem like you know what you are doing in these games so I'm wondering why you would vote for one of the vets???...if anything i would think that they would have helped us with our ideas as they have a better feeling for the game...just wondering???

--Bek

[GoldenEagle]

GE, any reason you voted for anxiety last night??? You seem like you know what you are doing in these games so I'm wondering why you would vote for one of the vets???...if anything i would think that they would have helped us with our ideas as they have a better feeling for the game...just wondering???
--Bek

I was a bit suspicious of him and Mr. Wednesday on the vote trading process. I figured I would put out the vote and try to see what kind of defense he put up. When Mr. W came back clean, I knew that Anxiety was likely good as well. We had some information there but the wolves took it away.

[Bek]

I was a bit suspicious of him and Mr. Wednesday on the vote trading process. I figured I would put out the vote and try to see what kind of defense he put up. When Mr. W came back clean, I knew that Anxiety was likely good as well. We had some information there but the wolves took it away.

could you really expect a defense???...It was day one and im not sure any player would really put up a defense. I agree with you on the him being good after Mr. W being good, it was unfortunate to see him go during the night.

--bek

[GoldenEagle]

could you really expect a defense???...It was day one and im not sure any player would really put up a defense. I agree with you on the him being good after Mr. W being good, it was unfortunate to see him go during the night.

--bek

I was just fishing for some information. I think he had a date or whatever and really did not get to post much after I voted for him.

I have soccer practice tonight until after the deadline, so I am going to elect to go with DaddyTorgo's theory. I think we still have time to sacrifice a villager if we can catch a wolf. If we get lucky and LSG is a wolf, then we can clear Glengoyne and he can be protected tonight.

VOTE LONESTARGIRL

[LoneStarGirl]

Dang guys, I had to work so i couldn't defend myself.
When I got my pm from St. Cronin and he said i was a mere villager I was dissapionted because I thought it would be more fun to be a wolf. And now you all think I am a wolf! you will just be sorely dissapointed if i die tonight because you will see i am a boring villager.

[Bek]

LSG, you arent looking good for tonight...any thoughts???

[LoneStarGirl]

I would start voting for Glen because I am not a wolf.

[LoneStarGirl]

You are all ganging up on me because you haven othing concrete to go on. You say i acted too innocent? is that all you have? Kind of shaky ground to stand on if you ask me

[hoopsguy]

Votes as of Post #132:

Lonestargirl 5 -- Glengoyne (71), Izulde (77), PackerFanatic (80), Neuqua (87), GoldenEagle (128)

Izulde 2 -- Oliegirl (96), Spleen1015 (100)

PackerFanatic 1 -- lighthousekeeper (78)

Not Voted: Lonestargirl, Bek, DaddyTorgo

[Bek]

I would start voting for Glen because I am not a wolf.

any ryhme or reason for that besides what has been said??? Seems like you are pretty lackluster about what is going on. So far nothing you have said has really convinced me otherwise.

[Izulde]

DaddyTorgo voted Glengoyne (101)

He just didn't bold it.

[Bek]

I would start voting for Glen because I am not a wolf.

and if you are going for self preservation why would you not try to push us to Izulde, he is your best chance from the most recent post count from hoops

--Bek

[Bek]

DaddyTorgo voted Glengoyne (101)

He just didn't bold it.

he didnt vote yet you have to read further on where he clarifies that that wasnt a vote but rather just a statement

[LoneStarGirl]

Well it doesn't seem to matter, we only have two people left to vote so it isn't going to change anything. It is day two, what defense can i have? I voted for Mr. Wednesday because i didn't have any 'feelings' about anybody else.

[Bek]

dola, post #108

[Izulde]

he didnt vote yet you have to read further on where he clarifies that that wasnt a vote but rather just a statement

Ahh good point. I missed that. Thanks :)

[LoneStarGirl]

voteizulde

Olie hit the nail on the head with this guy. He isn't talking and yet he is in the thread. He must be trying to hide something or thinks that if he hides in teh shadows we will forget about him and move on.

[Bek]

Ahh good point. I missed that. Thanks :)

i do what i can:p

[Izulde]

voteizulde

Olie hit the nail on the head with this guy. He isn't talking and yet he is in the thread. He must be trying to hide something or thinks that if he hides in teh shadows we will forget about him and move on.

I'm in this thread because I'm reading new posts. :p

[Bek]

I would love to see you saved tonight LSG but like you said i just dont see it happening. I think Daddy is pushing towards glengoyne and even if he did vote Izulde, I would vote Izulde, but then they tie-break goes against you. It's a bummer that you had to go to work today and couldnt defend yourself.

--Bek

[LoneStarGirl]

I work everyday. That is what teachers do. And i dont have time to get a computer

[LoneStarGirl]

Thanks for the support though Bek. we can sit back and laugh at everybody when i die in a couple of hours and you all see im a villager. One more day for the wolves to get a kill

[Bek]

IF something happens before the deadline this will always change but unfortunately it doesnt look good, so im going to have to throw a vote on somewhat of a random person

Vote GoldenEagle

--Bek

[Bek]

Lighthousekeeper, any thoughts about what has gone on as of late???...still sticking with your vote for packerfanatic???

--Bek

[DaddyTorgo]

why vote for a random person Bek. that's pretty random behavior. Especially as the "mayor"

and FYI I am leaning towards lonestargirl now not glengoyne. based on the "we need to get at least one clean kill out of the two of those two so that we can clear the other one" theory. no point in basically throwing away a vote for glengoyne if everyone else is on lonestargirl. least not as I see it, although i suppose that could be seen as evidence of bandwagoning-wolfish behavior.

[DaddyTorgo]

spleen i see you. any thoughts?

[spleen1015]

Lighthousekeeper, any thoughts about what has gone on as of late???...still sticking with your vote for packerfanatic???

--Bek

I wonder why you ask this question. I don't see any reason to. Changing his vote at this point does little good because it looks like LSG is going tonight unless things change in the next 70 minutes. My first reaction to this is your a wolf trying to devert attention away from another wolf. Sheesh.

I believe we are seeing desperation from Bek and LSG to save a wolf. I say we lynch LSG tonight and if she turns out to be a wolf, then Bek is too. He is defending her way too much.

I still believe that Izulde is another wolf, but the last few posts are making me wonder about that.

[DaddyTorgo]

I wonder why you ask this question. I don't see any reason to. Changing his vote at this point does little good because it looks like LSG is going tonight unless things change in the next 70 minutes. My first reaction to this is your a wolf trying to devert attention away from another wolf. Sheesh.

I believe we are seeing desperation from Bek and LSG to save a wolf. I say we lynch LSG tonight and if she turns out to be a wolf, then Bek is too. He is defending her way too much.

I still believe that Izulde is another wolf, but the last few posts are making me wonder about that.

and if she turns out to be innocent we lynch glengoyne tomorrow

VOTE LONESTARGIRL

[spleen1015]

#71 - Glengoyne votes LoneStarGirl(1)
#77 - Izulde votes LoneStarGirl(2)
#78 - lighthousekeeper votes PackerFanatic(1)
#80 - PackerFanatic votes LoneStarGirl(3)
#87 - Neuqua votes LoneStarGirl(4)
#96 - oliegirl votes Izulde(1)
#100 - spleen1015 votes Izulde(2)
#128 - GoldenEagle votes LoneStarGirl(5)
#141 - LoneStarGirl votes Izulde(3)
#147 - Bek votes GoldenEagle(1)
#152 - DaddyTorgo votes LoneStarGirl(6)

11 Votes cast.

Would a wolf vote for another wolf in a game where pretty much everyone is a beginner? I don't think so. If LSG is a wolf, then maybe Izulde isn't since he is voting for her?

[Bek]

why vote for a random person Bek. that's pretty random behavior. Especially as the "mayor"


It's not random, I dont believe the bandwagon on LSG proves anything, I't doesnt give us anything to work on. I am going with a vote that a feel will later prove to be a valuable approach for us as a village. Sometimes the "mayor" has to make hard decisions, this is one of those times. I believe that there are better canidates out there than LSG tonight. I don't know, its just my two cents.

--Bek

[DaddyTorgo]

#71 - Glengoyne votes LoneStarGirl(1)
#77 - Izulde votes LoneStarGirl(2)
#78 - lighthousekeeper votes PackerFanatic(1)
#80 - PackerFanatic votes LoneStarGirl(3)
#87 - Neuqua votes LoneStarGirl(4)
#96 - oliegirl votes Izulde(1)
#100 - spleen1015 votes Izulde(2)
#128 - GoldenEagle votes LoneStarGirl(5)
#141 - LoneStarGirl votes Izulde(3)
#147 - Bek votes GoldenEagle(1)
#152 - DaddyTorgo votes LoneStarGirl(6)

11 Votes cast.

Would a wolf vote for another wolf in a game where pretty much everyone is a beginner? I don't think so. If LSG is a wolf, then maybe Izulde isn't since he is voting for her?

perhaps he didn't think she'd get too much attention and we'd all pass over her, he voted for her before the fireworks really started and now it's too late to jump off her (plus it would have no effect, this way he can hide in our fledgling COT). Regardless, I havn't seen THAT much indicating that Izulde is a wolf. I think we have much stronger suspects.

It would help to hear more from more of the silent players though (oliegirl, nequa, packerfanatic, izulde, even GE, maybe even some posts with actual thought put into them by Bek)

[DaddyTorgo]

well what's your evidence for GE then? State it?

[DaddyTorgo]

although true, i strongly suspect that whether or not LSG is a wolf we do have at least one wolf hiding in the 5 other votes for her (i place myself above suspiscion although i expect everyone would say the same about themselves). At this point a wolf has nothing to lose by bandwagoning on her, as no one can catch her in terms of votes barring a huge late switch.

either way though, statistically someone in the other 5 votes for her (if not 2 someones if she's innocent...Glengoyne + ?) has got to be a wolf. it'd be a great hiding place for a wolf even if she was guilty (although I'd expect that to be someone in the middle of the pack of voting for her...votes 3-4 where it was clear by then she wasn't going to be caught).

[DaddyTorgo]

and i know that what i just said puts me in the crosshairs, but i also know that i'm just an ordinary villager, trying to help out my fellow new villagers by basically going stream-of-consciousness

[lighthousekeeper]

Lighthousekeeper, any thoughts about what has gone on as of late???...still sticking with your vote for packerfanatic???

--Bek

Well the only thing I'm starting to be afraid of is that if Lonestargirl turns out to be a WW, people will think I'm one too. But basically at this point even if I switched my vote, people would think the same thing. *shurg*

[Bek]

I wonder why you ask this question. I don't see any reason to. Changing his vote at this point does little good because it looks like LSG is going tonight unless things change in the next 70 minutes. My first reaction to this is your a wolf trying to devert attention away from another wolf. Sheesh.

I believe we are seeing desperation from Bek and LSG to save a wolf. I say we lynch LSG tonight and if she turns out to be a wolf, then Bek is too. He is defending her way too much.

I still believe that Izulde is another wolf, but the last few posts are making me wonder about that.

If I were a wolf, I wouldnt have let it get this far, Ive been here all day and seen the day progress, If I wanted to save LSG, I could have, there have been many oppurtunities, but I have let them pass by for the mere fact that I am a villager and there is no reason for me to put my neck out there. And if you think that my last few posts were trying to save LSG then you are sorely mistaken. I was merely saying that it didnt look good for here and was trying to get her to defend herself. Unfortunately, for here own sake, she didnt have much to say. What can you say when the vote is stacked against you. I am here to try and make everyone else better. I will just have to prove you all wrong when she is a villager. Because I believe that if she was a wolf that she would be fighting harder for her survival.

Why do I say this??? Well, my thinking is that there are only two wolves in this game. One of them, or so I believe, is somewhat of a veteran. Killing off the two vets that were coming into this game was a very smart move on there part. They benefit from a quite game, and with two talkative players out if gives the wolves a better chance to hide. That is why this whole time I've been saying that we have to stay talkative and be bouncing ideas off of each other. Maybe one of us sees something that the rest of us dont. If that person doesnt speak up then it goes unnoticed. Thats why my applause goes out to Daddytorgo, for stepping up and pointing out what glengoyne said. You had said that you had missed that, so that goes to prove that staying talking can only benefit us.

--Bek

[DaddyTorgo]

If I were a wolf, I wouldnt have let it get this far, Ive been here all day and seen the day progress, If I wanted to save LSG, I could have, there have been many oppurtunities, but I have let them pass by for the mere fact that I am a villager and there is no reason for me to put my neck out there. And if you think that my last few posts were trying to save LSG then you are sorely mistaken. I was merely saying that it didnt look good for here and was trying to get her to defend herself. Unfortunately, for here own sake, she didnt have much to say. What can you say when the vote is stacked against you. I am here to try and make everyone else better. I will just have to prove you all wrong when she is a villager. Because I believe that if she was a wolf that she would be fighting harder for her survival.

Why do I say this??? Well, my thinking is that there are only two wolves in this game. One of them, or so I believe, is somewhat of a veteran. Killing off the two vets that were coming into this game was a very smart move on there part. They benefit from a quite game, and with two talkative players out if gives the wolves a better chance to hide. That is why this whole time I've been saying that we have to stay talkative and be bouncing ideas off of each other. Maybe one of us sees something that the rest of us dont. If that person doesnt speak up then it goes unnoticed. Thats why my applause goes out to Daddytorgo, for stepping up and pointing out what glengoyne said. You had said that you had missed that, so that goes to prove that staying talking can only benefit us.

--Bek

i'm a firm believer in staying talkative. in my last game it didn't do the villagers any good as we lost, but i did end up staying alive to the end, and several times i had people pegged but just didn't follow through on them. still, i believe staying talking can only benefit the villagers, even if we throw out wrong ideas. otherwise it's just blind-voting.

[spleen1015]

I know we have to be talkative. The only other game I have been in, we were extremely talkative. I had to leave the game, but the villagers won pretty easily.

I guess we'll see what happens in a bit.

If LSG turns out to be a villager, do we automatically assume Glengoyne is a wolf?

[DaddyTorgo]

I know we have to be talkative. The only other game I have been in, we were extremely talkative. I had to leave the game, but the villagers won pretty easily.

I guess we'll see what happens in a bit.

If LSG turns out to be a villager, do we automatically assume Glengoyne is a wolf?

yes. i think so. cuz he wouldn't be the seer, so the alternative is that he's not a very good villager, to blurt that out there like that and then not even attempt to explain why he said it the way he did.

and if he ends up being a villager...well then we're fucked and you all can lynch me for suggesting that course of action i guess. although that'll be 3 villagers down.

[Bek]

well what's your evidence for GE then? State it?

He seems to be the type of player that could pull something like this off. He hasnt been that quiet, but quiet enough where I think he is flying low on some of your radars. The first night he votes for anxiety, and the next morning anxiety shows up dead. He says he voted for him day 1 to get a rise out of anxiety, when earlier anxiety said it is just day one and there is no real defense you can have to anyone voting for you.

Fora Day One random vote? Nah. If the Day One vote were for a flawed reason ("Vote for Anxiety because he was evil in this one game I read and now I'm voting for him") then I'd be more verbal. If it were later in the game and people were wasting votes on me then I'd start talking. If a bunch of votes were one me, ditto, but not some random Day One vote. You just gotta roll with the punches.


this was in response to lighthousekeepers question of "Are players usually this quiet after getting voted for?"

And then today is goes and votes for LSG, which i feel like is another villager. If I am wrong about LSG, i know its not looking good for me, but if she is then I feel we have the begginings of a COT. And then tommorrow, we need to serioulsy look at GE.

--Bek

[DaddyTorgo]

aaaah. dinnertime. prolly won't be back until right before vote-time, 8pm est at the earliest.

[Bek]

i'm a firm believer in staying talkative. in my last game it didn't do the villagers any good as we lost, but i did end up staying alive to the end, and several times i had people pegged but just didn't follow through on them. still, i believe staying talking can only benefit the villagers, even if we throw out wrong ideas. otherwise it's just blind-voting.

agreed

[Glengoyne]

w.. if he ends up being the seer and we lynch him then at least we (assume) lonestargirl is a wolfy....

I'd really rather fully explore the lonestargirl theory tonight, rather than lynching her after I'm gone. I'm not claiming any special sight or abilty. It is just a feeling. She gave off a wolf vibe.

If I'm wrongly accusing her, then I'll feel badly about it. Especially If I have to go next, if I'm wrong. I don't think I'm wrong about this though.

[lighthousekeeper]

Just letting you guys all know I'm checking out for the night. Won't be back until either very late tonight or early tomorrow morning. Here's hoping we did well.

I know this is probably grasping at straws, but it almost sounds like he knows he's going to be alive by tomorrow morning, which really only a WW can be sure of. Anyone else see that, or am I reading too much into it?

[spleen1015]

I know this is probably grasping at straws, but it almost sounds like he knows he's going to be alive by tomorrow morning, which really only a WW can be sure of. Anyone else see that, or am I reading too much into it?

I didn't get that idea. I took it at face value.

[Bek]

I know this is probably grasping at straws, but it almost sounds like he knows he's going to be alive by tomorrow morning, which really only a WW can be sure of. Anyone else see that, or am I reading too much into it?

I think that at this point in the game it is a little too much of reading into it. I would have to assume that most of us would be coming back tomorrow. He probably feels like he isnt that much of a threat and will be back tomorrow. If I had to leave, I probably would've said the same thing. Nothing unusual here.

--Bek

[PackerFanatic]

Might be grasping at straws, heh.

[DaddyTorgo]

I'd really rather fully explore the lonestargirl theory tonight, rather than lynching her after I'm gone. I'm not claiming any special sight or abilty. It is just a feeling. She gave off a wolf vibe.

If I'm wrongly accusing her, then I'll feel badly about it. Especially If I have to go next, if I'm wrong. I don't think I'm wrong about this though.

last time someone did something similar to this to me in my first game they ended up being a wolf just trying to cover their tracks by backtracking.

[DaddyTorgo]

I know this is probably grasping at straws, but it almost sounds like he knows he's going to be alive by tomorrow morning, which really only a WW can be sure of. Anyone else see that, or am I reading too much into it?

grasping at straws

[Glengoyne]

last time someone did something similar to this to me in my first game they ended up being a wolf just trying to cover their tracks by backtracking.


See, I'm coming from the angle that If I'm wrong about lsg, then the wolves know about it. If they see a way to target me next, they get two villagers for the price of one. That's how I see it anyway.

[DaddyTorgo]

See, I'm coming from the angle that If I'm wrong about lsg, then the wolves know about it. If they see a way to target me next, they get two villagers for the price of one. That's how I see it anyway.

i don't follow...you think i'm a wolf setting you up?

[Glengoyne]

i don't follow...you think i'm a wolf setting you up?

Well, yes. I think that is a possibility. You seem to be promoting the idea of lynching me if I'm wrong about lsg. While I see a sense of justice about that, It would pretty much hand the village over to the wolves.

I had no clue that eight others would jump on the lsg bandwagon. If I've gotten it wrong, and the wolves would know that, then I think accusing me would be a very wolfy thing to do.

[DaddyTorgo]

odd in this game that there's so little deadline action

[hoopsguy]

Deadline is up, results coming.

[DaddyTorgo]

well i don't know that you've gotten it wrong anymore than you do. i still go back to your comment earlier and how it sounded quite "certain." which would make you one of two things. one would be right about lsg and the other would be wrong. perhaps the lesson to be learned for you from this, whether you survive or not, is to be careful about how you sound when accusing someone leset ye be judged on your tone.

[Bek]

odd in this game that there's so little deadline action

i think today there is such little action because everything had been decided so early on. But I would agree that we have been very quiet around lynch time.

--Bek

[hoopsguy]

Vote totals


Lonestargirl 6 -- Glengoyne (71), Izulde (77), PackerFanatic (80), Neuqua (87), GoldenEagle (128), DaddyTorgo (152)

Izulde 3 -- Oliegirl (96), Spleen1015 (100), LoneStarGirl (141)

PackerFanatic 1 -- lighthousekeeper (78)

GoldenEagle 1 -- Bek (147)

An early call to lynch LoneStarGirl is supported by many in the village. Although there is some dissenting discussion, in the end she finds herself on the business end of the rope. She writhes for what seems like an eternity, but in the end is still. No transformation - it is clear that another error was made on this day. A survey of her home reveals nothing that could aid you in the fight against the evil werewolves.



Night 2 has begun. Night actions are due by 8:00 AM EST. Please submit them to both St. Cronin and Hoopsguy, unless Cronin returns and posts otherwise.

[Glengoyne]

well i don't know that you've gotten it wrong anymore than you do. i still go back to your comment earlier and how it sounded quite "certain." which would make you one of two things. one would be right about lsg and the other would be wrong. perhaps the lesson to be learned for you from this, whether you survive or not, is to be careful about how you sound when accusing someone leset ye be judged on your tone.

I think that is a valid point. It is quite possible that the "bad villager" tag is more fitting for me than any other label that has been proposed.

One thing is for certain. After the lynching, I'll either be golden, or fighting an uphill battle.

[Bek]

Thanks for the support though Bek. we can sit back and laugh at everybody when i die in a couple of hours and you all see im a villager. One more day for the wolves to get a kill

ill take you up on that drink

[Bek]

I think that is a valid point. It is quite possible that the "bad villager" tag is more fitting for me than any other label that has been proposed.

One thing is for certain. After the lynching, I'll either be golden, or fighting an uphill battle.

looks like you will be fighting the up hill battle

[Glengoyne]

Damn!

Sorry 'bout that Lone Star.

[DaddyTorgo]

damm. I think I suck at this game. So far in my WW career...zero wolves. One dracula, but zero wolves.

[spleen1015]

Obviously, the wolves have us right where they want us.

[LoneStarGirl]

good job guys. I'll be watching and rooting for the wolves on this one. :p

[Glengoyne]

looks like you will be fighting the up hill battle

Alas, that is the case. I guess I'll be more active here than I anticipated later tonight and tomorrow.

I guess this also settles the speculation about me being the seer.

I'm no wolf, but it looks as if I'm their best friend, as I have obviously made a grave error in proclaiming the guilt of another villager. If the plan to string me up next is brought to fruition, then I'll be in the running for worst villager ever. My exuberance will have brought calamity to the village.

[lighthousekeeper]

well just in case i die tonight, i want to say that if i do, that probably would mean that packerfanatic is a villager since that would be too obvious. but you'd have to strongly suspect neuqua, since I've raised suspiciouns about him.

[lighthousekeeper]

actually, forget what i just said. (since my posting probably reversed the ww's decision)

[DaddyTorgo]

neuqua has flown quietly under the radar so far. moreso than pretty much everyone. him and packerfanatic have very posts, as does oliegirl and izulde.

[DaddyTorgo]

hi barkeep! see you watching!

[Neuqua]

Checking in from home...

I only worded what I had the way I did because I figured whether I lived or died, I'm still keeping up with the game. Maybe bad word usage I guess, I don't know.

I'm honestly up in the air. I don't really know which direction to go into. We'll have to see what the wolves do and hope the novice herbalist picks the right guy.

[Izulde]

Have Nequa and PackerFanatic posted more than once or twice in this thread?

I don't think they have, which suggests to me that there's a strong possibility they're wolves, because we're sitting here all suspecting each other while they're taking us down one by one.

[Neuqua]

Come on now Izulde, you were accused of the same thing. The only difference is you say you choose to be quiet while my attention is diverted at work. I try to let the rest of the group know when I will and won't be around to

I fully admit I'm not very good at this game, a complete novice, and am actually learning from the others, the more vocal members, on how one's mind process has got to work in order to succeed.

[Neuqua]

lol, again, see my attention is diverted at home too and it turns out I forgot to finish the first paragraph. it was meant to say:

Come on now Izulde, you were accused of the same thing. The only difference is you say you choose to be quiet while my attention is diverted at work. I try to let the rest of the group know when I will and won't be around to throw out ideas and vote.

My apologies but if I know the rules correctly, I'm not allowed to edit and so I just made a new post clarifying.

[Lorena]

damm. I think I suck at this game. So far in my WW career...zero wolves. One dracula, but zero wolves.

Actually, Dracula was killed by his own allies if I remember correctly :eek:

[DaddyTorgo]

blah...you're right dodgerchick! zero nothin nothin for me!

and i don't mind the thought of losing in this game, i view it more as "WW with training wheels for all us newbs to learn."

[GoldenEagle]

Glengoyne, why did you attack LSG so hard? I think you need to start coming up with a defense and giving us a better reason than I am a villager. That defense does not really work in WW that well. Give us some sort of information that can be useful. I have an open mind but it is closing quickly.

Bek, your random vote is interesting. It is almost like you are not trying to be tied to a voting record. Any thoughts?

[st.cronin]

Thanks hoops! Night results coming.

[DaddyTorgo]

Glengoyne, why did you attack LSG so hard? I think you need to start coming up with a defense and giving us a better reason than I am a villager. That defense does not really work in WW that well. Give us some sort of information that can be useful. I have an open mind but it is closing quickly.

Bek, your random vote is interesting. It is almost like you are not trying to be tied to a voting record. Any thoughts?

*attaches self to GE cuz he was quite right in the last game we played even though being brand new like me*

Let's hear an actual reason Glengoyne, you seemed like your feeling was quite sure. and if it was just a feeling...we'll you'll learn that's not enough to be that definitive in your wording.

Bek has seemed a little "off" to me since the beginning when he came out with that whole huge "mayor rp" inviting us all into the village and stuff. And for all he's posted he hasn't actually put forth that many intelligent thought-out posts.

[hoopsguy]

Welcome back, St. Cronin.

Good luck to all the rest of the way.

[st.cronin]

slight delay in night results

[LoneStarGirl]

You should change the name of the thread.... I still wanna play :(

[DaddyTorgo]

i have a feeling i might die. just because i've been very vocal. if i have, take a close look at those I suspect: Neuqua, Packerfanatic, Oliegirl, Izulde and I guess Glengoyne and Bek.

Those I trust were pretty much those who were on around deadline (excepting those who i named above). But even those 2 I just said I trust I'm not entirely sure of, I'm still new at this too.

[DaddyTorgo]

i wonder if the herbalist might not be one of the quiet people too. trying to fly below the radar to keep people safe and themselves safe?

[st.cronin]

You awake at dawn. One of you is missing! PackerFanatic is discovered in his home, eaten by wolves!

Day 3 has begun, voting deadline 8:30 pm EST

[DaddyTorgo]

oyyyy...PackerFanatic? where's the logic there? guess they're cherry-picking and trying to hit the herbalist now that they've knocked off the more vetty players??

[spleen1015]

oyyyy...PackerFanatic? where's the logic there? guess they're cherry-picking and trying to hit the herbalist now that they've knocked off the more vetty players??

I don't think they are using any method really. I think they are trying to be random.

So, there are 9 folks left. If 2 are wolves, we're down to 7 people. If 3 are wolves, we have 6. I can't imagine there being more than 3 wolves. Regardless, we need to be right tomorrow night.

[DaddyTorgo]

I don't think they are using any method really. I think they are trying to be random.

So, there are 9 folks left. If 2 are wolves, we're down to 7 people. If 3 are wolves, we have 6. I can't imagine there being more than 3 wolves. Regardless, we need to be right tomorrow night.

yep. couldn't agree more.

[Izulde]

I don't think they are using any method really. I think they are trying to be random.

So, there are 9 folks left. If 2 are wolves, we're down to 7 people. If 3 are wolves, we have 6. I can't imagine there being more than 3 wolves. Regardless, we need to be right tomorrow night.

Pretty much. The longer we go without being able to find any wolves, the less and less likely we have a chance at winning this game.

[spleen1015]

Bek is the only person who hasn't voted for one of the lynched villagers.

lighthousekeeper didn't vote for LSG, but he missed the first vote, so I am not including him as one who didn't vote for either lynching victim.

Based on the assumption that there are 3 wolves, I think this would be a good strategy to have one who isn't voting with the majority.

I also don't like the idea that Izulde is the only person to have voted for each lynching victim, either.

What these 2 facts show me is a pattern of someone who knows who the good and bad guys are. It could be totally coinicidental, but I don't think so.

What really sucks is we don't have a first vote from 3 people to go by right now.

The only thing I am sure of is I am the only person I can trust. :)

[GoldenEagle]

It sounds like you are wanting to hint at something spleen, but you just can not spit it out?

[lighthousekeeper]

i certainly can't make any sense of spleen's post.

[DaddyTorgo]

spleen is driving at either vote Bek or vote Izulde

[DaddyTorgo]

or i suppose not voting for them

[spleen1015]

Basically, I was saying that I think Bek and Izulde are howling at the moon!

[DaddyTorgo]

Basically, I was saying that I think Bek and Izulde are howling at the moon!

i will vote for one of the 2 before bed i suppose since i havn't fixed my phone's browser yet.

[Glengoyne]

Glengoyne, why did you attack LSG so hard? I think you need to start coming up with a defense and giving us a better reason than I am a villager. That defense does not really work in WW that well. Give us some sort of information that can be useful. I have an open mind but it is closing quickly.

Bek, your random vote is interesting. It is almost like you are not trying to be tied to a voting record. Any thoughts?


I'll be back to post after Lost. Actually I'll ramble quickly, there was just something about her posts that made me suspect her. That and I really thought that the early votes were nearly random. I certainly didn't mean to convey any sense of certainty, like those who picked up on my non-vibe that I may be the seer. I didn't realize that a bunch of people would tag on. I saw one person follow suit early today, and then when I checked in a bit before the vote to lynch I discovered what had happened. In retrospect, it was then that I realized what I had done. In short, I'm bad at this.

[DaddyTorgo]

I'll be back to post after Lost. Actually I'll ramble quickly, there was just something about her posts that made me suspect her. That and I really thought that the early votes were nearly random. I certainly didn't mean to convey any sense of certainty, like those who picked up on my non-vibe that I may be the seer. I didn't realize that a bunch of people would tag on. I saw one person follow suit early today, and then when I checked in a bit before the vote to lynch I discovered what had happened. In retrospect, it was then that I realized what I had done. In short, I'm bad at this.

we're all bad at this. it's why we're n00bs.

[DaddyTorgo]

looks like my browser is working so i should be able to check in and change tomorrow but i'm going to put a placeholder vote for now

VOTE IZULDE

seems suspicious that he has voted for both of the lynching victims and has been fairly quiet throughout. Plus he just seems like the type that might do that as a wolf without considering all the ramifications.

I thought Bek was suspicious with the "i'm going to randomly vote for PackerFanatic" (who was also innocent), but then also hasn't voted for either of the other 2 innocent lynching victims also. if he was a wolf though would he randomly vote for packerfanatic (who we would all find out was innocent after the wolves ate him) and thus cast suspiscion on himself that way? or was that like "hiding in plain sight?" i'd be interested to know what the other 2 people who i am beginning to trust think about this.

my vote is subject to change, although honestly I doubt I'll do much after 2pm tomorrow as my day is quite packed.

[PackerFanatic]

Well poo, I was hoping to post tonight, heh...good luck all :)

[Chief Rum]

Actually, Dracula was killed by his own allies if I remember correctly :eek:

Heh heh that was the only mistake we made. :)

[Bek]

I thought Bek was suspicious with the "i'm going to randomly vote for PackerFanatic" (who was also innocent), but then also hasn't voted for either of the other 2 innocent lynching victims also. if he was a wolf though would he randomly vote for packerfanatic (who we would all find out was innocent after the wolves ate him) and thus cast suspiscion on himself that way? or was that like "hiding in plain sight?" i'd be interested to know what the other 2 people who i am beginning to trust think about this.


first of all let me say that I didnt vote for packer, but instead GE, and I did this because I didnt think either Mr. W or LSG were wolves. If I think someone is a wolf, then I vote them, if I think they are a villager, then I dont vote them. I think today we need to look hard at voting patterns and come down with some serious accusations, this is all I'm going to say tonight as I am headed off to bed. But we all better be ready for tomorrow as we need to get ourselves a wolf.

by the way, when we do can i mount the head in my house???

--Bek

[lighthousekeeper]

well I'm unfortunately in the midst of pulling an all nighter for work (something that someone in their 30's just shouldn't do anymore), so I'll be busy working for another couple hours then crash 'til who knows when. So I'm voting now while I still can. I don't want to be accused of not going with the group, so I'll vote the main line this time.

Vote Glengoyne

[spleen1015]

I think we've lost the seer. If I were the seer, at this stage in the game I would be doing something to let folks know what I know. I just a have strong feeling that we would have a lot more to go on if the seer were still alive.

If the seer is still alive, please give strong consideration to letting us know what you know.

[Izulde]

I just woke up but I'm not going to vote yet. Have to finish a paper on Sylvia Plath's Mirror and then go to class.

[oliegirl]

As of right now, I'm sticking with my theory from yesterday that Izulde is a wolf...as Spleen stated, he voted for both victims, which is more than suspicious in my book, especially when he hasn't really come up with any "theories" of his own, only agreed with someone else and then cast his vote.

I've been fairly quiet because this is the first time I've ever played and I'm still kind of "feeling things out" as a villager, making sure I'm understanding the concept and the rules of play correctly. But at this point, I'm pretty convinced that Izulde is a wolf and just isn't sure what he should be saying to throw suspicion the other way, so he's just laying low and following the lead of the other werewolves (though I haven't figured out who they are).

[spleen1015]

Question for st.cronin.

In the initial post, it states that when a villager is lynched, their role will be revealed. I assume this means that if the seer is lynched or killed by the wolves, we would know that they were the seer. Is this in fact the case?

If roles are revealed when someone gets removed from the game, then we still have our seer and herbalist. This is a very good thing.

One thing that really got me wondering after Night actions was PackerFanatic getting it. At the point of his death, he was one of the least vocal people. Going after one of the more vocal players would kind of confirm that they were on the right track. So, I think we could be going down the right track.

Right now, I suspect Izulde, Bek, Neuqua to be wolves. Neuqua is more a feeling than anything else. I have already given reason for Izulde and Bek. One other thing I suspect with Bek is he is playing the villager angle pretty heavily. He is doing a really good job of making it believable that he is villager. This is very fishy to me and I think that is a big sign that he's a bad guy.

I think we need to lynch either Izulde or Bek today.

[Izulde]

Let's see here:

Mr. Wednesday was a first day thing that's a crapshoot and I wasn't sure who to vote for, so I came up with a frivolous reason to vote for Mr W. and picked him.

LoneStarGirl was implicated by Glengoyne and you yourself spleen, and since I'm new to this game and wouldn't know how to ferret out a werewolf, I tend to listen to the advice of others, hence the vote.

Furthermore, I'd like to point out that I was only the second person to vote for each. Did they end up getting lynched? Yeah, but that wasn't because of me. It was because of everyone else bandwagoning on them.

[oliegirl]

Let's see here:

Mr. Wednesday was a first day thing that's a crapshoot and I wasn't sure who to vote for, so I came up with a frivolous reason to vote for Mr W. and picked him.

LoneStarGirl was implicated by Glengoyne and you yourself spleen, and since I'm new to this game and wouldn't know how to ferret out a werewolf, I tend to listen to the advice of others, hence the vote.

Furthermore, I'd like to point out that I was only the second person to vote for each. Did they end up getting lynched? Yeah, but that wasn't because of me. It was because of everyone else bandwagoning on them.



But spleen didn't vote for LSG - he voted for you...he agreed with some of the thoughts behind LSG looking like a ww, but ultimately decided she wasn't. Seems like you are grasping at straws to me...

[st.cronin]

Question for st.cronin.

In the initial post, it states that when a villager is lynched, their role will be revealed. I assume this means that if the seer is lynched or killed by the wolves, we would know that they were the seer. Is this in fact the case?


Yes.

[Izulde]

But spleen didn't vote for LSG - he voted for you...he agreed with some of the thoughts behind LSG looking like a ww, but ultimately decided she wasn't. Seems like you are grasping at straws to me...

Yes he eventually voted for me, but at the time that I cast my vote, LSG looked most likely to be a werewolf. You didn't really expect me to change it and vote for myself, did you?

[oliegirl]

Yes he eventually voted for me, but at the time that I cast my vote, LSG looked most likely to be a werewolf. You didn't really expect me to change it and vote for myself, did you?


No, but why did you think LSG was a ww? What specific reason did you have to suspect her?

[spleen1015]

Sweet. We still have our seer and our herbalist.

Now, we need to know what the seer knows. :)

[oliegirl]

Sweet. We still have our seer and our herbalist.

Now, we need to know what the seer knows. :)

Defintely, but how does the seer tell us what they know without exposing themself and getting killed off???

[Izulde]

No, but why did you think LSG was a ww? What specific reason did you have to suspect her?

Her protestations just rang false to me. Admittedly I made a mistake in voting for her. We all did.

[Izulde]

No, but why did you think LSG was a ww? What specific reason did you have to suspect her?

Her protestations just rang false to me. Admittedly I made a mistake in voting for her. We all did.

[Izulde]

Sorry about the DP. Connection was wonky.

[Izulde]

quola,

Since I'm going to be busy all day, I'm putting my vote in now.

VOTE BEK

Reason:
This leader of the villagers persona he's been putting on so consistently is the perfect disguise and the one that I'd be taking on if I were a wolf. After all, by pretending to be the leader, he grants himself a level of security and immunity so people don't suspect him as the wolf he is.

[spleen1015]

Defintely, but how does the seer tell us what they know without exposing themself and getting killed off???

I dunno. If they reveal themselves, then the herbalist can protect them at least once. Since the herbalist can't protect the same person more than one day in a row, then we'd probably lose the seer the next night after they revealed their information.

I am getting a vibe on who might be the seer. I'm debating on if I should trust that vibe and follow that persons lead and see what happens.

If there are 3 wolves, then we still have a little leeway today. But, if we can't manage to get a wolf with today's lynch, then tomorrow we absolutely have to or we're lost. I really want to get a wolf today.

Izulde voting for Bek when I think both are wolves kind of kinks up the works! :) I think it is just a ploy to get us off target today.

Now, I need to figure out who is more untrustworthy.

[GoldenEagle]

They way I look at it there are three lynch possibillities for the day. I am not real sure who is a wolf in that group, but the odds would suggest that at least one is. I am going to break down each one and try to see if there is anything that will help us get the wolf out of the group.

Glengoyne - Everyone seems to be forgeting about him this morning. Is there any reason why? Did I miss something. The evidence against him is that he came after LSG pretty hard and she came back clean. Either he is clean and just made a mistake or he is a wolf who knew that he might be lynched and was trading 1 for 1. This would make sense if they maybe thought that LSG was the seer (I kind of got that impression when she said I am just a boring villager.)

Bek - His weird voting pattern has established him as a candidate. As someone pointed out, he is the only person to not vote for both lynchings. This leads me to believe that he does not want to be tied to a voting record of any kind. Is there a reason for that? Probably. He is random vote for me was also fishy. He said it was just a random vote but then later in post #225 he says that if he thinks you are a wolf, then he will vote for you. That seems wolfy to me but I am not ready to declare him as a wolf just yet.

Izulde - The evidence against him is that he has been quiet and is the only person to vote for both players who have been lynched. He claims that he is just a bandwagon jumper and that he does not know what really is going and that is why he is not been posting much. He also voted for Bek already but that seems like a self-defense vote. I really just do not have a read on him at all.

I think that it will come down to Bek and Izulde today although I think we are giving Glengoune a free pass.

[spleen1015]

I am forgetting about Glengoyne this morning. That is because I just think he made a bad call with having a fishy feeling about LSG. I'm not beyond thinking that he has me fooled either.

I think I am going to vote for Izulde again today unless I find another reason not to.

[DaddyTorgo]

well i'm around for the next 5 hours or so, but I've already put in my placeholder vote for Izulde and I see nothing to throw me off of that so far.

[Bek]

I think we've lost the seer. If I were the seer, at this stage in the game I would be doing something to let folks know what I know. I just a have strong feeling that we would have a lot more to go on if the seer were still alive.

If the seer is still alive, please give strong consideration to letting us know what you know.

Thats no good. Unless the seer has hit a wolf, there is no need to reveal himself. Lets say, for example, night one the seer scanned LSG and found out here to be good. No need to reveal that now. Now for night two the seer scanned oliegirl and found her to be good doesnt help us either. You see, that if the seer hit all villagers I wouldnt want them taking a risk and coming out now.

I think that the disadvantages of the seer coming out now out weigh the advantages. Then we are stuck with the herbalist and the wolves playing guessing games.My vote on the seer coming out gets a thumbs down.

--bek

[oliegirl]

Sweet. We still have our seer and our herbalist.

Now, we need to know what the seer knows. :)

I am forgetting about Glengoyne this morning. That is because I just think he made a bad call with having a fishy feeling about LSG. I'm not beyond thinking that he has me fooled either.

I think I am going to vote for Izulde again today unless I find another reason not to.

I'm sticking with Izulde today for this reason - he had 3 votes yesterday and managed to escape because of the LSG bandwagon...yet he hasn't been able to give what I consider to be a valid reason for voting for LSG other than "I wasn't the only one". His statement about her "protestations ringing false" seems very empty. I think we should vote out Izulde today, and Glengoyne tomorrow - he seems to be the "ringleader" and the fact that Izulde voted for Bek just gives me the very strong gut feeling that Glengoyne and Izulde are wolves. I'm casting my vote for Izulde officially:

Vote Izulde

That's 2 votes for Izulde and one for Glengoyne...I just don't think the cloud of suspicion over Glengoyne is nearly as heavy as the one over Izulde...the way I see it, our plan should be to eliminate Izulde and then go after Glengoyne or Bek tomorrow. We need one good night where we catch a Werewolf and I'm convinced Izulde is one.

[DaddyTorgo]

the fact that spleen wants to know what the seer knows is making me trust him less, although my vote remains with izulde, one wary eye is looking towards spleen

[Bek]

agreed, i dont see it to our benefit for the seer to come out. Spleen is pushing for it a little too hard.

[DaddyTorgo]

let me clarify. i don't think spleen was intending for the seer to reveal him/herself. i think spleen was pushing the seer to become more vocal and try to dig back for evidence to use against someone IF they even know any wolves at this point.