Werewolf XL: The Trial of the Aes Sedai (game over, AES SEDAI win)

[Barkeep49]

That's why I was so happy. Cronin had said that there were people who'd come out ok after being tested if they were good so I figured RPI was one of those.

[BrianD]

Interesting outcome. It seemed a shame that RPI was lynched because of a mixup in the schedule, but I guess he got justice surviving the test. Hopefully tomorrow will go more smoothly since everyone should know the schedule. Time for the back-biting and paranoia to hit full stride. :)

[LoneStarGirl]

Phew, I knew I read that trial didn't mean death in the rules. Glad to see I pay attention. Now RPI can stay in the game and I can get a chance to play with him. All is good :)

[Chief Rum]

Just wondering if you can tell us what the "little information" is Chief since we seem to be in the dark.

I wouldn't read much into it. I didn't mean to imply I learned more than the rest of you. The "little" information I gained was that spleen was killed and was good. :p

I sure hope I wasn't lynched today, because I am only halfway through the posts, and this would seem to be very silly if I am actually dead.

[Chief Rum]

nvm, i keep skimming through these and read it wrong, disregard.

lol, nvm myself.

[Chief Rum]

Well, having read all this, I would say RPI will likely die tonight. He is known good, could have other abilities, and already has been shown to not be susceptible to death via lynch. If I were a wolf, that would move him higher up my target list.

But the BG would likely still protect someone like Alan over RPI, as at least Alan has demonstrated some (unverified) seer-like abilities, where he may have gained knowledge of another player. Even though he thinks it may be a one time thing, it has more value as a possibility to good than the simple fact RPI is good.

I am hoping if RPI has any further abilities that are important to the team, that he will hint somewhat at them to convince the BG to protect him. I would hate tot hink RPI has some unused abilities that will now be put at risk because of today's trial.

[hoopsguy]

It's hit or miss for cool roles, but WW is a pretty solitary game. [shill]You'll want to play in Hoop's game, though, because you can pick, to a certain degree, just how cool your character will be.[/end shill]

Love the shill :)

[RPI-Fan]

Well, having read all this, I would say RPI will likely die tonight. He is known good, could have other abilities, and already has been shown to not be susceptible to death via lynch. If I were a wolf, that would move him higher up my target list.

But the BG would likely still protect someone like Alan over RPI, as at least Alan has demonstrated some (unverified) seer-like abilities, where he may have gained knowledge of another player. Even though he thinks it may be a one time thing, it has more value as a possibility to good than the simple fact RPI is good.

I am hoping if RPI has any further abilities that are important to the team, that he will hint somewhat at them to convince the BG to protect him. I would hate tot hink RPI has some unused abilities that will now be put at risk because of today's trial.

No special abilities... if I had any I would have revealed last evening when I thought I had 12 hours to stay alive.

So while I'm happy I'll still have an opportunity to catch the bad guys, I don't think I have any special abilities to help with that. :(

I'll be at work all day today, but should be back for several hours before the deadline... as a placeholder (based on somewhat unusual behavior yesterday):

VOTE BARKEEP49

[Alan T]

Well, having read all this, I would say RPI will likely die tonight. He is known good, could have other abilities, and already has been shown to not be susceptible to death via lynch. If I were a wolf, that would move him higher up my target list.

But the BG would likely still protect someone like Alan over RPI, as at least Alan has demonstrated some (unverified) seer-like abilities, where he may have gained knowledge of another player. Even though he thinks it may be a one time thing, it has more value as a possibility to good than the simple fact RPI is good.

I am hoping if RPI has any further abilities that are important to the team, that he will hint somewhat at them to convince the BG to protect him. I would hate tot hink RPI has some unused abilities that will now be put at risk because of today's trial.

I actually would be a very poor bodyguard choice. I'm not confirmed, I have no special abilities, and I have no clue what that one time dream even meant or even if it was helpful. I highly doubt I will get another and most people seemed to think I was up to some trick by even mentioning it anyways.

[st.cronin]

I still have not recieved all night actions, but I'm going to go ahead and process anyway.

[st.cronin]

You awake early, and gather for breakfast. One of you does not show up - Barkeep49 is missing! A search of his quarters finds him in dead, bed, his heart stopped through some wicked use of the One Power.

Day 3 has begun - deadline 8PM ET

[Alan T]

Didn't get back on last night because my laptop crashed big time. Yay for Unmountable Boot Volume. But I still don't really hold much against those who voted for RPI yesterday, I understand why it was done, and even with him appearing right at the end, it was too late for them to move votes.

Unfortunatly yesterday's vote for me is pretty much like day 1's vote and doesn't tell me anything. Things I am interested in hearing is if anyone else got a dream last night, and if it was similar to mine.

[Chief Rum]

I am leaving for the day, so another quick vote from me.

It didn't work well yesterday, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't at least look at UTR players.

Therefore, VOTE TYRITH

He also has only one post at this point.

[Blade6119]

Unlike yesterday with RPI i dont have a problem with a tyrith vote. RPI i remember being quiet, but tyrith is generally more active. Id like to wait until later in the day and give him a chance to come in.

Frankly, right now id like to vote for either tyrith or mr. w...by my count both have missed a vote, and with nothing better to go on that will do for me. Mr. W also had a really weak attempt at hinting about a role i didnt like...

[BrianD]

Anybody have anything juicy to share this morning? Any more dreams or visions or whatever? It feels like we are still on day one and we need to find a direction soon...

[Alan T]

Anybody have anything juicy to share this morning? Any more dreams or visions or whatever? It feels like we are still on day one and we need to find a direction soon...


I too am interested if anyone else got any dreams or visions last night. Like I guessed, I did not receive anything new. Nothing in my role suggests its an ability that I have or posess any way to dream, so I still think it was something done either to me or due to spleen.

So my thoughts are:

If someone else also received a dream today then I am leaning to thinking its a good role with special abilities that we don't want to name who it is just yet.

If no one else received a dream, I am leaning to it being something to do with Spleen's death and likely that person I dreamt about would be more shady than good.

I already feel its not due to the person being a seer, as the person I dreamt about made me feel that either they don't know if I am good or bad, or they are bad yesterday through their comments about me.

[Lathum]

I am eagerly waiting to hear if someone had a dream

[Jonathan Ezarik]

No dreams for me.

[Lathum]

while I have no problem with voting for non active players it i.s really getting us no where.

[Alan T]

while I have no problem with voting for non active players it i.s really getting us no where.

The problem we run into is people shape votes based one 1) prior voting patterns, 2) Night time events , 3) Odd or curious behavior from norm.

So far, we can't get anything from #1 as voting patterns haven't told us anything. No one other than myself has talked about anything occuring at night time for #2, and mostly everyone has stayed clammed up other than me and a few people to draw any odd behavior from for #3.

Unless someone comes up with something better, if no one else had a dream last night, I'm thinking I might push the person I dreamt about later today. The longer this goes on as a single isolated event, the more ominous it feels to me and the worse I feel about that player.

Unless something else comes up today, I don't have a problem being in a 1 vs 1 run down with this player later today and let folks pick sides for us to have a more meaningful vote pattern to derive from than just everyone piling on the same person.

I highly assume I've been scanned by a seer by now, and am 95% sure the dream has nothing to do with having been seer scanned. So the lack of anyone coming out to claim I am a bad guy means either I am good or a cunning wolf (which I am not, but its something you have to consider).

Guess for now I'll see how today goes before I jump down that path. Its day 3 though, so its about my normal time to die anyways. :)

[Lathum]

Alan, if I may offer some advice if you are going to reveal the person in your dream you may want to do it earlier then later. Friday night is historicaly slow for werewolf games.

[Alan T]

Alan, if I may offer some advice if you are going to reveal the person in your dream you may want to do it earlier then later. Friday night is historicaly slow for werewolf games.


The only problem though is if someone else did have a dream last night it changes my opinion of the person. Right now my assumption is if the dream was an isolated incident that occured on only one night, then it must have been tied to spleen's death some how.

if other people end up getting dreams then i honestly have no clue what it means since I don't think it was a sign of being seer scanned. So I don't really want to press unless i know no one else got a dream.. so an uncomfortable situation due to the day and time. Maybe I guess I'll wait till like 2pm or so. By then everyone on the west coast should have been up and awake and at work.

[BrianD]

Unless someone comes up with something better, if no one else had a dream last night, I'm thinking I might push the person I dreamt about later today. The longer this goes on as a single isolated event, the more ominous it feels to me and the worse I feel about that player.

Keep in mind that this may only be an isolated event because some people are not around much during the day. People that may be able to speak of this may not be around.

Unless something else comes up today, I don't have a problem being in a 1 vs 1 run down with this player later today and let folks pick sides for us to have a more meaningful vote pattern to derive from than just everyone piling on the same person.

This assumes that a 1 vs 1 run down with this person involves a bad person. If you are not bad and this person is not bad, does a run down still help?

I highly assume I've been scanned by a seer by now, and am 95% sure the dream has nothing to do with having been seer scanned. So the lack of anyone coming out to claim I am a bad guy means either I am good or a cunning wolf (which I am not, but its something you have to consider).

You are pretty generally scanned in the first couple days, so that is probably a safe assumption. I would also assume the dream is not seer related since nobody has really hinted about knowing about you. I'm still assuming the dream is evidence of a different role.

[Alan T]

You are pretty generally scanned in the first couple days, so that is probably a safe assumption. I would also assume the dream is not seer related since nobody has really hinted about knowing about you. I'm still assuming the dream is evidence of a different role.


I don't really want someone to come out and say they scanned me and I'm good. Even if it looks like I am going to be lynched, I don't bring anything important to save. I doubt even if I was scanned night 1, the seer yesterday would have hinted that I was good. its too easy to pick that type of thing up.

I find it more likely if I was scanned night 1, the seer would have just avoided the topic of me all together yesterday. No reason for them to have put themselves in danger. I doubt they would have interacted with me and either put suspicion on me or try to clear suspicion from me.

[BrianD]

I don't really want someone to come out and say they scanned me and I'm good. Even if it looks like I am going to be lynched, I don't bring anything important to save. I doubt even if I was scanned night 1, the seer yesterday would have hinted that I was good. its too easy to pick that type of thing up.

I'm not suggesting that the seer say anything. I just figured that if it happened, someone would have been pushing for someone not you, or would have claimed no interest in voting for you. All I read yesterday was people either thinking about voting for you or having no opinion either way.

I find it more likely if I was scanned night 1, the seer would have just avoided the topic of me all together yesterday. No reason for them to have put themselves in danger. I doubt they would have interacted with me and either put suspicion on me or try to clear suspicion from me.

That is probably true, a seer isn't going to do anything other than be very subtle if he/she mentioned you at all.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Unless someone comes up with something better, if no one else had a dream last night, I'm thinking I might push the person I dreamt about later today. The longer this goes on as a single isolated event, the more ominous it feels to me and the worse I feel about that player.

Sounds good to me. We don't seem to have anything else to go on other than going after UTR folks.

[Abe Sargent]

I was devoid of drema last night as well.

[Lorena]

Well, no dreams from me either.

[LoneStarGirl]

No dreams here. this sucks. I wonder if RPI fan is going to get online to change his vote. Doesn't look good voting for a dead guy :)

[Blade6119]

[B]VOTE LATHUM[B]

I dont like what he implies with his lets kill the active players comment. It could be surmised he is trying to protect someone, who i dont know...just got that vibe, like the one with hoops sublty hinting for us to do things harmful for the village

[Blade6119]

VOTE LATHUM

fixed

[Blade6119]

UNVOTE LATHUM

VOTE BRIAND

LOL, i should read everything before i vote. Brian felt like he was trying to get a seer reveal, which im vehemently against. Sorry for the triple vote there

[Lathum]

here goes Blade with his "lets throw enough crap at the wall and see what sticks" routine.

[Alan T]

I said I would wait till 2pm to let everyone have a chance of coming on.. Since no one has mentioned anything in the 5 or so hours today about having a dream like I did, I assume it was a one time occurance set off by an event.

The following at the events that I could see having set it off:

1) Spleen's death. I was linked to him as part of a secret society. Nothing in my PM suggests the ability to have supernatural powers or some kind of dream link with him. We did not even have PM rights with each other, all we knew is that the other was good at the start due to our time invesitgating the possibility of the escape of the Forgotten.

2) Some ability someone has to one time project themselves in someone else's dreams. - I don't see how this is likely since what good would this do. I learned nothing about what i dreamt about the person, nothing about what they were doing or did. Just dreamt vividly about them. I don't see how this would be a useful ability for someone to have.

3) Some bad guy ability to throw some dream at me and force my thoughts to dream of them. Once again, I don't understand the full purpose of this ability and would expect a bad guy to have been able to do something moreso like forcing my vote or whatnot with this type of power. The only thing I can think of is if there really was a bad guy who was able to force me to dream of a third party, I probably am as good of a person as anyone else to do it to. Knowing i would run with it and not afraid of being lynched this is the only alternative theory I can come up with right now.

Things I don't feel is the case:

1) I don't think this dream indicates a seer viewing me any longer. I downplayed it some yesterday to not give out too many clues but the person came out pretty quickly yesterday and played alot of negative light on me and suggested a few times to others that I might be up to some wolfish tricks. I wouldn't expect a seer who would have scanned me to have come out that way knowing I am good.

2) I thought of it perhaps being some other type of good person ability, perhaps the indication of a good guy protecting someone else some way magically. Maybe it was a magical bodyguard who kept me safe night 1, and due to that protection I dreamt of them. If this was the case, I would have assumed someone else would have gotten this dream on night 2. Since no one did, i don't feel this is as likely any longer.

I really am hesitant to say the name as I don't want to give up one of our important good guy roles, but as time goes by, it feels less likely that it is a good guy role and more likely either an indicator of Spleen's killer or just random white noise.

So the person I dreamt vividly about night 1 was BrianD. I voted for him yesterday but tried to make it sound like it wasn't related to my dream due to the fear that I might be night killed and then everyone would be after Brian the next day when I just wasn't really sure.

I still really am not sure if he's bad or not.. I really just don't understand the dream at all. Like I said though, I find it highly unlikely that he is a seer role or a bodyguard type role due to what I said above. I find him possibly being Spleen's killer a possibility, and I also still think there could be a chance of it just being white noise.. but if its just white noise, why me, why night 1, why no one else? I feel there has to be some meaning.. just no idea what.

[BrianD]

Thanks Alan, you just weakened the good team.

[BrianD]

And Blade...you are wrong. I was not at all trying to get the seer out. I was really trying to feed Alan some info so he wouldn't name me.

[Tyrith]

Sorry about yesterday, girls come before WW games :)

This seems like another game that could easily degenerate into a mess focused around one player if we don't cut it off now, one way or another. For better or worse that player is BrianD. I also really don't like the whole seer conversation. So, for now.

VOTE BRIAND

NOTE: I'm at my parents' house right now, and the internet is terrible, so while I'll be around some I won't be nearly as active as normal.

[Alan T]

Thanks Alan, you just weakened the good team.


That may be the case, but like I said the way you tried to throw holes through my discussion yesterday and even mentioned my whole "dream" might just be a ploy that I would use as a bad guy makes me feel you either were bad and trying to discredit me or good without any knowledge of me. Either way, neither explains my dreaming of you.

I am fully interested in other explanations, but I've tried to take this as far as I could without naming you.. I just don't have any good explanations now for you.

[BrianD]

I tried to drop as many hints as possible. I'm sure you noticed that I was about the only one talking to you about the dream and giving you what I thought it meant. I did that because I knew it was me you saw. Also like I said yesterday, I didn't have any knowledge of you by the end of the night. I have no idea if you are good or bad. Just because I watched you doesn't change that.

Part of my throwing mud at you was because you could still be bad. The other part was because I didn't want to say that I know the person in your dream was good because that would make it pretty obvious that it was me.

I tried very hard to say that the person was probably good and was either guarding you or making sure you didn't go out and do anything bad. I said that a few times. As far as nobody else mentioning a dream today...I said in one of my first posts that you were asking for a tough thing because that person may not be present...and I can tell you that person isn't present. I'll name him if you want, but I can also wait and see if he/she wants to say anything.

[Lathum]

Brian, can you explain why alan dreamed of you.

[Alan T]

I tried to drop as many hints as possible. I'm sure you noticed that I was about the only one talking to you about the dream and giving you what I thought it meant. I did that because I knew it was me you saw. Also like I said yesterday, I didn't have any knowledge of you by the end of the night. I have no idea if you are good or bad. Just because I watched you doesn't change that.

Part of my throwing mud at you was because you could still be bad. The other part was because I didn't want to say that I know the person in your dream was good because that would make it pretty obvious that it was me.

I tried very hard to say that the person was probably good and was either guarding you or making sure you didn't go out and do anything bad. I said that a few times. As far as nobody else mentioning a dream today...I said in one of my first posts that you were asking for a tough thing because that person may not be present...and I can tell you that person isn't present. I'll name him if you want, but I can also wait and see if he/she wants to say anything.

Well then I guess the same negative speculation you played on me yesterday I will play on you today. I did nothing but tell the truth yesterday and you (as well as a few others) made it out to be some possible ploy and to discredit it. I actually watched all day for a clue or some hint that its best to keep it quiet and instead saw you attack back.

If you honestly thought I could possibly be bad, why would you care if I said your name then? If I was bad, the bad guys would already have your name. Right now you aren't helping me understand my dream any more. You are hinting at possibly a seer type role that doesn't know I am good? Possibly hinting at a bodyguard type role that doesn't know that I didn't go out and do anything bad when you said I might have been involved in the killing of spleen myself?

I have spent 2 days trying to come up with answers, and have gotten none. I waited all day for someone else to chime in, and no one did. What did you expect me to do?

[Alan T]

I guess the way I feel right now, I am pretty darn sure you aren't a seer. Otherwise you wouldn't have accused me of being possibly bad. If you are some good guy with some other protector role, then you can keep yourself alive for a bit perhaps.

If you are a bad guy however, then hopefully someone who -is- our seer can scan you and let us know if you are indeed bad. I don't really know where to go with my vote today and I am no clearer on what the dream meant than I was 2 days ago. No one in this game is giving answers to anything right now.

[BrianD]

I expected you to look at things from my viewpoint. I don't know if you are good or bad. I started the day be questioning your motives...which is pretty reasonable since you were the only one claiming a special connection to a known good person. After you answered the questions, I backed off and focused on trying to feed you some info.

I can visit people in the world of dreams. I can't see your affiliation. I am NOT a seer. I could spell out my role completely, but with no role reveals on death, I don't want to let the bad guys know who the good guys just lynched. Either way, if you don't kill me they will. I will say that I did not see anyone attack you (obviously) on Night 1, and I did not see you attack anyone. Keep in mind here that I am giving some info on two possible roles, and I only have one (included for bad-guy confusion).

Going back to your questions, if you were bad I still wouldn't want you to say my name because that would draw enough attention that I would have to role-reveal. I would invite anyone else to go back to yesterday's conversation and decide if they thought I had given you enough info. If I did get enough info and you still made me come out, I wouldn't think that would look very good for you.

[Lathum]

Brian? My instincts say I don't wanna vote for Brian today but without some sort of explination i'm not sure where else to go.

[Lathum]

So Brian, are you basicly saying you have the ability to see if someone stays in their bed at night but aren't able to tell their affliation?

[BrianD]

So Brian, are you basicly saying you have the ability to see if someone stays in their bed at night but aren't able to tell their affliation?

I just named 2 roles (basically). One is the bodyguard, and the other (as you described) is a spy. At this point, I don't know that not being totally clear helps at all. If peope really want, I can reveal everything, but we will really gain no helpful info, and I will die (which I may anyway). Where do we want to go from here?

[Alan T]

Well part of me is thinking you are telling the truth.

The other part of me thinks you are spleen's killer, knew you killed him and were expecting me to come after you at some point or another.

I don't have a problem keeping you around for a seer to scan you, but you sure didn't give me the comfort i needed to keep your name clear yesterday if that is what you think.

If anything, you were one of three people I started to distrust based entirely on your gameplay regardless of my dream yesterday.

[Alan T]

Before its forgotten, I would indeed like to know who the person that got a dream last night was. I waited all day and they never spoke up. Either you telling us or them, I would like to know as having another person would help rule out the dream being based on Spleen's death.

Only Spleen and I had that shared PM, so no one else should have been impacted by his death other than me (if I was impacted). So you giving us a second person who dreamed last night that can verify it would help me believe you alot more like I said all day today. And if you say it was Barkeep, I'll come and beat you up myself.

[BrianD]

Well part of me is thinking you are telling the truth.

The other part of me thinks you are spleen's killer, knew you killed him and were expecting me to come after you at some point or another.

I don't have a problem keeping you around for a seer to scan you, but you sure didn't give me the comfort i needed to keep your name clear yesterday if that is what you think.

If anything, you were one of three people I started to distrust based entirely on your gameplay regardless of my dream yesterday.

Normally I would have kept pretty quiet, but you were the only one that said anything at all suspicious. Once that was out and you mentioned seeing someone in your dream (I didn't know you would see me), I had to try to let you know what I was doing there. I've never tried to feed anyone my role before, so I'm clearly not overly skilled doing so.

[BrianD]

Before its forgotten, I would indeed like to know who the person that got a dream last night was. I waited all day and they never spoke up. Either you telling us or them, I would like to know as having another person would help rule out the dream being based on Spleen's death.

Only Spleen and I had that shared PM, so no one else should have been impacted by his death other than me (if I was impacted). So you giving us a second person who dreamed last night that can verify it would help me believe you alot more like I said all day today. And if you say it was Barkeep, I'll come and beat you up myself.

The person I watched last night was RPI-Fan. I can't say for sure that he saw me since I didn't know that you saw me, but that is who I watched. That is also why I strongly hinted that you weren't going to get any verification.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

I'm leaning towards believing Brian, if only for the fact that Alan is still alive. If Brian was responsible for killing spleen, I think he would have taken Alan out last night.

I think I know who Brian is hinting at that can come along and clear him. If I'm correct in this, then Brian will have my full trust. Whatever that's worth.

[Alan T]

Normally I would have kept pretty quiet, but you were the only one that said anything at all suspicious. Once that was out and you mentioned seeing someone in your dream (I didn't know you would see me), I had to try to let you know what I was doing there. I've never tried to feed anyone my role before, so I'm clearly not overly skilled doing so.


Go back and read yesterday morning's posts. Start with where I revealed about Spleen's death and my reveal about my role with him and my dream I had. Then look at your posts that immediately follow then our interaction.

Even re-reading it, it looks like you came out agressively at me, tossed out bait for other people to bite on, when no one bit, you changed directions a bit and tried to play along with me. Am I reading too much into these posts? I must have reread that interaction about 100 times over the last 24 hours. It just feels bad to me.

Like I said though, having a second person verify your dream story will help me feel worlds better about you.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

The person I watched last night was RPI-Fan. I can't say for sure that he saw me since I didn't know that you saw me, but that is who I watched. That is also why I strongly hinted that you weren't going to get any verification.

And Brian posted this whilst I was typing, which goes right along with what I was thinking.

[Barkeep49]

Isn't that sweet. Alan threatening to beat someone up because of me.

[Alan T]

Well Brian, like I said before.. I can only play with the cards I was dealt. I havent voted for you yet today, and am willing to let RPI verify your story as well as give a seer a chance to scan you. If I don't vote for you though, who is a good alternate vote for today?

So far no one has talked about anything this game other than me and its been frustrating.

[Alan T]

Isn't that sweet. Alan threatening to beat someone up because of me.


:D

I was mainly referring to a few games ago in the TOlkien game when someone did the fake seer reveal, and like 2 or 3 days maybe they had scanned someone who turned up dead the next day :)

Obviously I wasn't going to get violent with Brian, just wanted to make sure that if he said your name, I likely would have voted for him immediately :)

[Alan T]

No special abilities... if I had any I would have revealed last evening when I thought I had 12 hours to stay alive.

So while I'm happy I'll still have an opportunity to catch the bad guys, I don't think I have any special abilities to help with that. :(

I'll be at work all day today, but should be back for several hours before the deadline... as a placeholder (based on somewhat unusual behavior yesterday):

VOTE BARKEEP49

Anybody have anything juicy to share this morning? Any more dreams or visions or whatever? It feels like we are still on day one and we need to find a direction soon...

One thing though.. you say you hinted that the person from last night might not be around, but before you did that you posted the above post a good 2 1/2 hours after RPI had left for work for the day.

Luckily he will be back with a few hours before the deadline he said so we can wait till then I suppose. But just going back and looking for your hints, and they aren't all as clear cut to me as you seem to indicate they should be.

Perhaps its just a case of me being overly dense and not seeing the hints, but for every one I see, I see a piece of opposite evidence that invalidates it in my mind some. So I still really don't know how to feel about you right now Brian.

[Alan T]

One unrelated thing I am wondering.. RPI escaped death last night due to what I assumed was role related. Reading back through though, he didn't know anything about his ability to avoid lynch and had actually thought he was lynched before St.Cronin clarified he was still alive.

Do we fully assume his avoiding the lynch was role related and just unknown to him? Or could it be action related and truly some form of trial? Ie: not voting for a good guy the previous vote, or that vote or something.

[Lathum]

Brian, why would you chose RPI fan? He was already cleared as being on the side of light

[Alan T]

Brian, why would you chose RPI fan? He was already cleared as being on the side of light


If Brian is telling the truth, I know why he chose RPI fan but spelling it out is probably a bad thing to do if he is telling the truth.

Since RPI was confirmed good at the lynch, I have absolutely no problem seeing what he says later when he comes in. I don't know that I need Brian to spell out more of his role just yet...

[BrianD]

One thing though.. you say you hinted that the person from last night might not be around, but before you did that you posted the above post a good 2 1/2 hours after RPI had left for work for the day.

Luckily he will be back with a few hours before the deadline he said so we can wait till then I suppose. But just going back and looking for your hints, and they aren't all as clear cut to me as you seem to indicate they should be.

Perhaps its just a case of me being overly dense and not seeing the hints, but for every one I see, I see a piece of opposite evidence that invalidates it in my mind some. So I still really don't know how to feel about you right now Brian.

This may be bad mechanics from me, but I didn't want to make it too obvious that I was dropping hints. I wanted to play like I didn't know what was going on in the general communications, but be more direct in the conversations with you. In general I want more communication. In response to you, I tried to say that you weren't going to get the verification you were looking for.

I wasn't attacking you the first day. Your story sounded odd so I brought it up for discussion. i was hoping for more discussion than we got. Right now, we really have nobody to look seriously at, so we are probably looking at a random vote. If you take me out of that random pool, you will slightly increase your chance of getting a bad guy.

[Lathum]

I'm leaning towards believing Brian, if only for the fact that Alan is still alive. If Brian was responsible for killing spleen, I think he would have taken Alan out last night.

I would actualy be inclined to assume based on Alan's semi reveal yesterday that the bad guys would steer clear of Alan thinking he may have been guarded last night

[Alan T]

I would actualy be inclined to assume based on Alan's semi reveal yesterday that the bad guys would steer clear of Alan thinking he may have been guarded last night


I've been completely open with my role and now that I named Brian, have told everyone everything I know in this game. If they want to take the time to kill me then so be it. Better me than someone important. The bodyguard shouldn't waste any time guarding me at all. I'm simply not worth it.

[BrianD]

If Brian is telling the truth, I know why he chose RPI fan but spelling it out is probably a bad thing to do if he is telling the truth.

Since RPI was confirmed good at the lynch, I have absolutely no problem seeing what he says later when he comes in. I don't know that I need Brian to spell out more of his role just yet...

You really shouldn't...

[BrianD]

Do we fully assume his avoiding the lynch was role related and just unknown to him? Or could it be action related and truly some form of trial? Ie: not voting for a good guy the previous vote, or that vote or something.

The rules state that some good people may survive the trial. I'd assume he was predisposed to survive the trial.

[Lathum]

[QUOTE=Alan T;1349608]If Brian is telling the truth, I know why he chose RPI fan but spelling it out is probably a bad thing to do if he is telling the truth.

QUOTE]

this is such a typical statement from you.

I guess I'm a moron because I can see no reason why Brian would look into RPI

[Jonathan Ezarik]

DAY 1 has begun. Voting closes at 8pm Eastern Time. Chief Rum's vote will count, as will all votes made during the night period. One other note in answer to some pms - there are NO die rolls in this game. All results have been determined in advance.

I take this to mean that it doesn't matter that it was RPI who was lynched yesterday. Any of us good guys lynched would have had the same result.

[Lathum]

I've been completely open with my role and now that I named Brian, have told everyone everything I know in this game. If they want to take the time to kill me then so be it. Better me than someone important. The bodyguard shouldn't waste any time guarding me at all. I'm simply not worth it.

true that may be now but when you went to sleep last night you were guarding Brian's name and you possesed the only piece of information we had. IMO the bodyguard was forced to protect you last night

[Alan T]

If Brian is telling the truth, I know why he chose RPI fan but spelling it out is probably a bad thing to do if he is telling the truth.


this is such a typical statement from you.

I guess I'm a moron because I can see no reason why Brian would look into RPI

now now no need to get personal. :) I don't think you're a moron, I just have spent way too much time overanalyzing everythign Brian has posted this game.

I guess my position is I am willing to wait for RPI for now. If RPI doesn't know anything about Brian or had no dream, then it probably is time for Brian to spill the beans as I'll be voting for him.

[BrianD]

I take this to mean that it doesn't matter that it was RPI who was lynched yesterday. Any of us good guys lynched would have had the same result.

I don't think this is true. I think some people are predetermined to survive the trial, and some aren't. RPI was one of the lucky ones. Whoever we lynched the first day (path?) wasn't so lucky.

[Alan T]

true that may be now but when you went to sleep last night you were guarding Brian's name and you possesed the only piece of information we had. IMO the bodyguard was forced to protect you last night

I guess that is a fair enough arguement. My intentions in no means were to be bodyguarded yesterday and I would ask the bodyguard to not worry about me in the future though. However I'm not one to tell others how to play their role. I'm simply just trying to make it clear that I am not bluffing and I don't have some super secret more important role is all.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

I don't think this is true. I think some people are predetermined to survive the trial, and some aren't. RPI was one of the lucky ones. Whoever we lynched the first day (path?) wasn't so lucky.

You could be right and I read st.cronin's post the wrong way. I guess the only way to test it is to lynch RPI again, but I don't think anyone wants to go for that. Except for the wolves, of course. ;)

[Lathum]

now now no need to get personal. :) I don't think you're a moron, I just have spent way too much time overanalyzing everythign Brian has posted this game.

I guess my position is I am willing to wait for RPI for now. If RPI doesn't know anything about Brian or had no dream, then it probably is time for Brian to spill the beans as I'll be voting for him.

I have no reason to doubt RPI will have had a dream but why him? It makes no sense. If Brian feels he is protecting himself or someone else by all means keep quiet but it seems like an odd choice

[BrianD]

I have no reason to doubt RPI will have had a dream but why him? It makes no sense. If Brian feels he is protecting himself or someone else by all means keep quiet but it seems like an odd choice

What do we know about RPI?

[Alan T]

What do we know about RPI?

That he is good?

[Alan T]

I have no reason to doubt RPI will have had a dream but why him? It makes no sense. If Brian feels he is protecting himself or someone else by all means keep quiet but it seems like an odd choice

I think you and I are accepting completely different parts of Brian's story. See for now I am not as sure RPI had a dream and think there is a chance he will come back and say he didn't, then Brian will have another excuse for us.

For me though if RPI does come back and say he did have a dream, for me thats enough to let Brian slide for today's vote and let the seer scan him tonight to check his story. If that occurs, I honestly have no clue where I will go with my vote though.

[Lathum]

What do we know about RPI?

that he is on the side of light

[BrianD]

that he is on the side of light

And aside from yourself, how else can you say that about?

[BrianD]

I think you and I are accepting completely different parts of Brian's story. See for now I am not as sure RPI had a dream and think there is a chance he will come back and say he didn't, then Brian will have another excuse for us.


I will have no other excuse. If he didn't have a dream, lynch me. Even if he did have a dream, go ahead and lynch me. You won't learn anything other than that I am good, and you will save the wolves the trouble.

[Lathum]

And aside from yourself, how else can you say that about?

huh?

[BrianD]

And aside from yourself, how else can you say that about?

That should read "who else".

[Alan T]

Well, I am still as confused as I have been. Work time is over for me though, but I put together a new laptop for home. I'm going out tonight with some friends, but I should have time to check in before I go out. Maybe 1 hour before deadline.

[Lathum]

That should read "who else".

well if I had to build a trust list RPI fan would be right behind me since the GM said he was on the side of light. I'm not trying to attack or criticize the use of your ability but RPI seems universaly the most trusted so why waste your ability on him.

Maybe I am off with my line of thinking.

[BrianD]

well if I had to build a trust list RPI fan would be right behind me since the GM said he was on the side of light. I'm not trying to attack or criticize the use of your ability but RPI seems universaly the most trusted so why waste your ability on him.

Maybe I am off with my line of thinking.

You are off with your line of thinking. The reasons you gave made him the best choice.

[Lathum]

well I am done with this discussion. for now we agree to disagree

[BrianD]

well I am done with this discussion. for now we agree to disagree

I don't think I am who you think I am.

[LoneStarGirl]

I hate to say that I agree with Lathum (yuck) but I do. But maybe I am just not understanding Brian's full role. I feel that watching RPI was a wasted night activity that could cost us good guys in the long run.

And Jonathan, I really think that St. Cronin had already decided that if RPI was put through a trial, he would come out unscathed. Not that whoever we tried on the second night would come out okay. There are probably 1 or 2 more people just like RPI in the game

[Lathum]

I don't think I am who you think I am.

I think RPI fan is the only one i trust so we'll have to see what he says.

[Lathum]

IMO rpi=duke

[Jonathan Ezarik]

IMO rpi=duke

If this is the case then why did he claim to not have any special abilities? In fact, he thought he was out of the game until st.cronin said otherwise. If st.cronin decided beforehand that RPI wouldn't be killed from a lynch, I think it was news to RPI.

[Lathum]

If this is the case then why did he claim to not have any special abilities? In fact, he thought he was out of the game until st.cronin said otherwise. If st.cronin decided beforehand that RPI wouldn't be killed from a lynch, I think it was news to RPI.

maybe he didn't know he had that ability? i dunno but when the GM says he passed the trial and is on the side of light I am going to loook elsewhere, wouldn't you?

[Jonathan Ezarik]

No doubt. RPI is the only one I trust (after myself).

[Mr. Wednesday]

This assumes that a 1 vs 1 run down with this person involves a bad person. If you are not bad and this person is not bad, does a run down still help?
The more people involved in a race, the better the chance of picking up a bad guy as one of the options, but there are also more opportunities for other bad guys to bury their vote. The fewer people are receiving votes, the easier it is to analyze when we show that one of the people receiving votes is a bad guy.

[st.cronin]

Vote Count:
2 - BrianD - Tyrith, Blade
1 - Tyrith - Chief Rum

[Lathum]

Tyriths hit and run worries me

[BrianD]

Just from a "feel" perspective, I would probably vote for either Tyrith or DC. I'm available for another hour or so, and will make my vote before I go.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Lathum's obtuseness about this whole thing worries me.

If you believe Brian, then you should know better then to carry the discussion where you're carrying it. If you don't, come out and say it.

[Mr. Wednesday]

It's going a little against my style to vote this early, and I'm not sure Tyrith is the best option, but after what I did last night :o I would like to get a vote in play.

VOTE Tyrith

[BrianD]

Looks like my main chance to stay alive will be to

Vote Tyrith

[Lathum]

Lathum's obtuseness about this whole thing worries me.

If you believe Brian, then you should know better then to carry the discussion where you're carrying it. If you don't, come out and say it.


I'm not sure how i am being obtuse by questioning brian, i really don't know if i believe him but i am trying to start some conversation and put the pieces together

[Alan T]

Well still waiting on RPI... I think the risk/reward right now is enough to have me hold off on voting Brian and let the seer have some time with him. I feel good at least having his name out there for a target to look at.

The other current option of Tyrith I'm lukewarm on. There have been many people far quieter than normal, with him leading the bunch. I'm wondering how much of it is everyone's attempt to try to not draw attention because of being bad vs not drawing attention to try to stay alive longer. I find Mr.W's vote for Tyrith a little hypocritical since Tyrith did the same thing Mr.W did (not vote last night and been mostly inactive).

I just don't really know where else to go. It would be easy for all of the bad guys to have jumped on the RPI bandwagon yesterday, but I wonder if all of them did, or if they tried to split up votes just a little bit.

From memory, the only people not voting for RPI yesterday were:

Tyrith & Mr. W - No vote
RPI & me - Brian
Anxiety - me
Dodgerchick - Lonestargirl
Blade - Dodgerchick

I'm obviously not going to target RPI. So that leaves me Blade, Dodgerchick and Anxiety. I don't think I'll really be around enough over the weekend to get Blade upset at me just yet. So between Anxiety and Dodgerchick, I guess I could flip a coin, but instead I think I won't vote Anxiety tonight. I remember in the past when Anxiety was bad he tended to buddy up with me alot more than he has this game.

Vote Dodgerchick for now. This can easily change with what RPI has to tell us. I just don't think I really want to vote Tyrith or Brian right now, and there are still plenty of votes out there.

[Alan T]

Just posting this again, in case my vote got lost in my wall of text there. I know its hard to see sometimes skimming through.

Vote Dodgerchick

[Lorena]

Just from a "feel" perspective, I would probably vote for either Tyrith or DC. I'm available for another hour or so, and will make my vote before I go.

Say what? That's ludicrious, why even mention my name other than to give people options other than yourself.

[Lorena]

I haven't caught up but are you guys shitting me? I need to catch up real quick cuz I've no idea why I'm getting votes.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Alan, just to be clear on my reasons for voting for Tyrith: I'm not prepared to vote for Brian at this time, no other candidates jump out at me, and he had a vote. It would be hypocritical for me to suggest that his lack of a vote last night should be reason to vote for him today.

[Blade6119]

here goes Blade with his "lets throw enough crap at the wall and see what sticks" routine.
Here goes lathum with his "im a jerk" routine.

[Blade6119]

UNVOTE BRIAN

While i really dont agree with the RPI scan, even though i see what he thought, im not ready to kill him off. His inactivity made him a lesser threat then i think brian thought him to the wolves, and as such i dont think he was a great choice. But for now ill trust brian...that all changes if RPI comes back and had no dream.

[Lathum]

Here goes lathum with his "im a jerk" routine.

grow up :rolleyes:

[Lorena]

I haven't caught up but are you guys shitting me? I need to catch up real quick cuz I've no idea why I'm getting votes.

Alright the votes I saw were Alan's 2 and I thought Brian would vote for me for God knows what reason.

I don't understand why voting for someone that DID NOT vote for RPI would be a target... I mean wouldn't we wanna target someone who DID vote for a known good guy?

vote alant

Either he or Brian is lying and I don't know who yet.

I need to make dinner and be off for several hours. My vote might or might not change depending on what RPI says and if I make it before lynch.

[RPI-Fan]

Ok, so I didn't have a dream, but I believe BrianD.

Lathum's actions also make me comfortable with him.

When reading through the thread (and I did read all posts thoroughly), LoneStarGirl jumped out at me as VERY suspicious.

UNVOTE BARKEEP49

VOTE LONESTARGIRL

I'll be around until close to the deadline to discuss...

[Blade6119]

grow up :rolleyes:
Take your own advice :o

[Blade6119]

No dream is not what i wanted to hear.

VOTE BRIAND

[Alan T]

Alright the votes I saw were Alan's 2 and I thought Brian would vote for me for God knows what reason.

I don't understand why voting for someone that DID NOT vote for RPI would be a target... I mean wouldn't we wanna target someone who DID vote for a known good guy?

vote alant

Either he or Brian is lying and I don't know who yet.

I need to make dinner and be off for several hours. My vote might or might not change depending on what RPI says and if I make it before lynch.

Sure, voting for a known good guy would be crazy. The catch is no one other than RPI and the bad guys knew that he was good yesterday. I stated my reasons for voting for you over the others I had you grouped with. You however didn't really list any reasons for voting for me other than disagreeing with my vote.


Ok, so I didn't have a dream, but I believe BrianD.

Lathum's actions also make me comfortable with him.

When reading through the thread (and I did read all posts thoroughly), LoneStarGirl jumped out at me as VERY suspicious.

UNVOTE BARKEEP49

VOTE LONESTARGIRL

I'll be around until close to the deadline to discuss...


Ok.. so this now concerns me. I need someone to explain to me why I would have gotten a dream and RPI didn't when both of us experienced the exact same event. I really wish my dream was more damning or revealing or something, but it just was a name which is driving me crazy.

What game mechanic would be in place to have me get a dream and you not with the same action? If all actions are predetermined, it wasn't a die roll. So does this take us back to the start again? What is the only difference between me and anyone else? My connection to Spleen. What involving that and Spleen's death would trigger me to get a dream?

Ugh, just dont know

[RPI-Fan]

Sure, voting for a known good guy would be crazy. The catch is no one other than RPI and the bad guys knew that he was good yesterday. I stated my reasons for voting for you over the others I had you grouped with. You however didn't really list any reasons for voting for me other than disagreeing with my vote.





Ok.. so this now concerns me. I need someone to explain to me why I would have gotten a dream and RPI didn't when both of us experienced the exact same event. I really wish my dream was more damning or revealing or something, but it just was a name which is driving me crazy.

What game mechanic would be in place to have me get a dream and you not with the same action? If all actions are predetermined, it wasn't a die roll. So does this take us back to the start again? What is the only difference between me and anyone else? My connection to Spleen. What involving that and Spleen's death would trigger me to get a dream?

Ugh, just dont know

I'm quite comfortable with BrianD at this time. I am also comfortable with you and Lathum. I should have included you on my safe list above.

[Alan T]

I really want to vote Brian right now. Pros vs Cons time:

Pro - Brian might be bad and my dream was a sign of that.

Con - Brian might be good and an important role we want to keep around.
Con - Killing Brian removes the chance of a seer being able to check him.
Con - Who really knows what the dreams mean. Maybe its something we never will know


Maybe I will just keep my vote where it is and let the seer have a chance with Brian tonight. Rather not risk killing the role Brian says he has (especially when no one else has come out to dispute the role that its clear he is claiming to have).

Since DC's response was entirely retaliatory, reactionary and not really with much response to assure my thoughts there, I think I'll stay there for now.

[Lathum]

ok, so no dream for RPI is very confusing but I can't help but think the bad guys are sitting back laughing at us.

Vote tyrith

he fits the profile right now and his hit and run vote seems fishy

[Lathum]

Take your own advice :o

without a doubt you are my next day one vote

[Lathum]

dola-
thats not a joke

[st.cronin]

4 - Tyrith - Chief Rum, Mr. Wednesday, BrianD, Lathum
2 - BrianD - Tyrith, Blade
1 - Dodgerchick - Alan T
1 -LoneStarGirl - RPI Fan

[Jonathan Ezarik]

I'm quite comfortable with BrianD at this time. I am also comfortable with you and Lathum. I should have included you on my safe list above.

Why the trust for Lathum?

[RPI-Fan]

Why the trust for Lathum?

It is really just a hunch more than anything...

[RPI-Fan]

Ok so I will clarify something about last night...

I DID see BrianD in my dreams. I got a message very similar to Alan T's as far as I can tell... no real info other than that I saw BrianD in my dream.

I didn't reveal this at first because I was hoping it would draw out some useful discussion. But that hasn't happened, so now I want to make sure we keep BrianD safe as he has been rather forthcoming and is therefore most likely a good guy.

[Blade6119]

dola-
thats not a joke

Is that supposed to unnerve me or something? Im not like some people here, im not afraid of the big bad wolf. Your bully tactics matter little to me

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Less than an hour to go and I'm still not sure who's getting my vote.

The fact that RPI didn't dream about Brian doesn't sound good to me. Also, RPI's willingness to believe Brian despite this also sounds bad. Is it possible that RPI was converted last night and that's why he didn't die? I don't believe this, because if so, why not lie and say he saw Brian? So, I'm going to trust RPI still and continue to trust Brian. I hope our seer (if still alive) scans Brian tonight or someone else can vouch for him tomorrow.

The only other person to ping my radar is Tyrith. He has no problem getting rid of Brian, despite the fact that he could be a valuable role for us. I just don't like that. I don't have anything else to go on, so he gets my votes.

VOTE Tyrith

[Alan T]

Ok so I will clarify something about last night...

I DID see BrianD in my dreams. I got a message very similar to Alan T's as far as I can tell... no real info other than that I saw BrianD in my dream.

I didn't reveal this at first because I was hoping it would draw out some useful discussion. But that hasn't happened, so now I want to make sure we keep BrianD safe as he has been rather forthcoming and is therefore most likely a good guy.

I hate to say it, but I don't necessarily like how you played that. Some people had been waiting all day for your response there and you being the only cleared person moved their vote solely based on you not having a dream.

I actually came really close to moving my vote myself, and went back and forth a few times debating it. I just hope those that did move their vote or kept their vote on him based on you originally saying you hadn't received a dream show back up before deadline in 50 minutes now.

[Blade6119]

Ok so I will clarify something about last night...

I DID see BrianD in my dreams. I got a message very similar to Alan T's as far as I can tell... no real info other than that I saw BrianD in my dream.

I didn't reveal this at first because I was hoping it would draw out some useful discussion. But that hasn't happened, so now I want to make sure we keep BrianD safe as he has been rather forthcoming and is therefore most likely a good guy.

????? So you did get a dream, but lied about hoping condeming a person you could clear would somehow bring about helpful information? Im sorry, that is utterly in the opposite interests of the village in my mind. If i could i would lynch you, brian, alan, and lathum all right now i would, but i cant. Im just trying to figure out why lying to make brian look bad is a good move, because your just about the only cleared villager(as of the lynch yesterday)

[Alan T]

Less than an hour to go and I'm still not sure who's getting my vote.

The fact that RPI didn't dream about Brian doesn't sound good to me. Also, RPI's willingness to believe Brian despite this also sounds bad. Is it possible that RPI was converted last night and that's why he didn't die? I don't believe this, because if so, why not lie and say he saw Brian? So, I'm going to trust RPI still and continue to trust Brian. I hope our seer (if still alive) scans Brian tonight or someone else can vouch for him tomorrow.

The only other person to ping my radar is Tyrith. He has no problem getting rid of Brian, despite the fact that he could be a valuable role for us. I just don't like that. I don't have anything else to go on, so he gets my votes.

VOTE Tyrith


Actually as suprising as it sounds, all things considered I now think a seer scan on Brian is probably not worth it and is better used on an unknown. Based on RPI now saying he did receive the same dream that I did, and the fact no one has come out and said Brian was lying about his claim of his role (its pretty obvious which role he says he has) I think we have to assume he is telling the truth here (or got really lucky that role isnt in this game).

I still don't know if I like the Tyrith option for a vote, but I don't really have any better candidate. I gave the reasons why I chose who I did, but I hope more than anything that we don't end up with a run away on Tyrith tonight, as it means a third day with a meaningless vote.

[Alan T]

????? So you did get a dream, but lied about hoping condeming a person you could clear would somehow bring about helpful information? Im sorry, that is utterly in the opposite interests of the village in my mind. If i could i would lynch you, brian, alan, and lathum all right now i would, but i cant. Im just trying to figure out why lying to make brian look bad is a good move, because your just about the only cleared villager(as of the lynch yesterday)


Ok him lying about it was my fault? :)

[Blade6119]

Ok him lying about it was my fault? :)

No, but he said he trusted 3 people, you/brian/and lathum...just went off his trust list. I tend to trust you, and i still trust him. But so far RPI has been nothing but a hindrance in my opinion, so im trying to get a grasp for his game-plan as i just dont get it

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Actually as suprising as it sounds, all things considered I now think a seer scan on Brian is probably not worth it and is better used on an unknown. Based on RPI now saying he did receive the same dream that I did, and the fact no one has come out and said Brian was lying about his claim of his role (its pretty obvious which role he says he has) I think we have to assume he is telling the truth here (or got really lucky that role isnt in this game).

I still don't know if I like the Tyrith option for a vote, but I don't really have any better candidate. I gave the reasons why I chose who I did, but I hope more than anything that we don't end up with a run away on Tyrith tonight, as it means a third day with a meaningless vote.

Yeah, I was writing my message when RPI posted that he had seen Brian in his dream. I agree that a scan on him would be a waste now.

[Lathum]

????? So you did get a dream, but lied about hoping condeming a person you could clear would somehow bring about helpful information? Im sorry, that is utterly in the opposite interests of the village in my mind. If i could i would lynch you, brian, alan, and lathum all right now i would, but i cant. Im)

typical

[RPI-Fan]

Why did I not want to reveal the dream I had? Because it 100% outed BrianD. If I had been able to get people to not vote for him AND not out him I think that would be quite a success.

[Lathum]

Why did I not want to reveal the dream I had? Because it 100% outed BrianD. If I had been able to get people to not vote for him AND not out him I think that would be quite a success.

i agree. It seems Blade is attempting to cast suspicoun on the only people who have provided any usefull info

[Abe Sargent]

I had training today and just got back to check the thread - wow a lot of stuff happened today!!!

I honeslty am leaning towards Tyrith, but to vote him in a pile on seems wolfish. I even got lynched once in one of my early games for piling like this. Still, it seems the most likely area to tvote, to I'm going to do it anyway. Make of that what you will, but at least my vote goes to the person I hoenstly think is the best chance of being a wolf.

-Anxiety

Vote to Lynch the Tyrith

[st.cronin]

6 - Tyrith - Chief Rum, Mr. Wednesday, BrianD, Lathum, Jonathan E, Anxiety
2 - BrianD - Tyrith, Blade
1 - Dodgerchick - Alan T
1 - LoneStarGirl - RPI Fan

not voted yet:
Dodgerchick
Schmidty
LoneStarGirl

[st.cronin]

dola roughly 20 mins to deadline

[LoneStarGirl]

I really have a sinkin suspicion about Blade. He seems to always be in the middle of controversy. And RPI lying and backpeddling really pisses me off as that did nothing to help us out. I really dont want to jump on Tyrnth for not being here today, and a pile on is very woflish (lathum, jonathan, and anxiety).

On the other hand I dont think DC is a wolf because she is playing her usual game, she hasn't changed anything up....although I dont recall her ever being a wolf.

BrianD is acting the most wolfish here... he 'scans' RPI last night, even after he is a known good guy? I don't trust that.

vote briand

[Blade6119]

i agree. It seems Blade is attempting to cast suspicoun on the only people who have provided any usefull info

typical

Why wait until day 1 next game, with nothing better to go on ill do it now.

UNVOTE BRIAND

VOTE LATHUM

Because you have provided sooo much useful info so far :rolleyes:

[Blade6119]

I really have a sinkin suspicion about Blade. He seems to always be in the middle of controversy.

If thats your reason you suspect me, you have a lot to learn about WW :p

[LoneStarGirl]

Blade honestly, I always suspect you first for some reason. You really need to work on that ;)

[Lathum]

Why wait until day 1 next game, with nothing better to go on ill do it now.

UNVOTE BRIAND

VOTE LATHUM

Because you have provided sooo much useful info so far :rolleyes:

from one throw away vote to another. Very brave of you. Way to go out on a limb

[Blade6119]

from one throw away vote to another. Very brave of you. Way to go out on a limb

Id rather vote who i want then just play jump on bandwagon like you. Any day now you might stop hiding your vote. At least im voting who i suspect, not just trying to be a good little sheep and follow the leader

[Lathum]

Id rather vote who i want then just play jump on bandwagon like you. Any day now you might stop hiding your vote. At least im voting who i suspect, not just trying to be a good little sheep and follow the leader

and why exactly do you suspect me?

[Mr. Wednesday]

Why did I not want to reveal the dream I had? Because it 100% outed BrianD. If I had been able to get people to not vote for him AND not out him I think that would be quite a success.

At the point where Alan was first asking, it wouldn't have outed anybody to simply say you'd had a dream. What would have outed would have been if you'd said who it was.

Regardless, there's little point to this discussion because we already have you as a confirmed villager, so we're ultimately only questioning your play, not your motives.

[st.cronin]

deadline

[Blade6119]

and why exactly do you suspect me?

Because like i originally voted brian, when he revealed you seemed to keep pressing for details when i felt more then enough was out there. Generally you seem to be a little laid back in this regard, but in this game you keep pushing and pushing. Uncharicteristic of you if you ask me.

[st.cronin]

Tyrith's demeanor is seen as suspicious by most, and he is chosen for the Trial. "Fine," he says. "I know that, like RPI-Fan, I am of the light, and I fully expect to emerge from this trial unscathed."

As the others before him, he disrobes, and steps through the arches. Time passes. He does not emerge. You share nervous glances. Suddenly, Tyrith's body comes flying out the other side, as though he had been tossed by a catapult. RPI-Fan rushes over to him, and examines Tyrith with the One Power. "He'll need some healing," he says, "at least. I'm afraid this is bad. He's been cut off from the One Power. He is no longer Aes Sedai. But it's clear that he was of the Light."

Tyrith is out of the game
Night 3 has begun - deadline 8AM ET Saturday

[st.cronin]

official vote count:

6 - Tyrith - Chief Rum, Mr. Wednesday, BrianD, Lathum, Jonathan E, Anxiety
2 - BrianD - Tyrith, LoneStarGirl
1 - Dodgerchick - Alan T
1 - LoneStarGirl - RPI Fan
1 - Lathum - Blade
1 - Alan T - Dodgerchick

no vote from Schmidty

[BrianD]

RPI played a little fast and loose with my fate, but I can't argue with his plan. I don't think it got anyone to slip up, but it was a worthwhile play nonetheless.

For the record, I think we might need to look at LSG tomorrow. Either she really hasn't been paying attention today, or she is purposely missing the obvious to cast suspicion. I'm not sure what had me initially suspicious of DC, but her reaction was pretty normal for her and I don't really have any more or less suspicion.

[LoneStarGirl]

I miss the obvious a lot Briand, dont hold that over my head :p

[BrianD]

I miss the obvious a lot Briand, dont hold that over my head :p

Fair enough. :)

I also know that some of the fine detail can be missed if you have to catch up on a lot of posts.

[Schmidty]

I am so sorry guys. I took my family out to dinner, and we didn't get back in time. I should have voted ahead of time, but I thought I'd be back before the deadline. :(

[Abe Sargent]

I honestly have no idea where to look tomorrow so lets hope tonight or tomorrow brings us answers.

[st.cronin]

Night 3 deadline may have to be pushed back - we have lost power (running on battery right now). The third blizzard of the last month is raging outside right now. Not sure when the power will be back.

[Alan T]

ew that stinks cronin. Be safe!

[Alan T]

Going out for the day. LIkely won't be back until after 8pm tonight. Sooo I hope night deadline is pushed back till tommorrow too :) Otherwise, I'll miss the vote today (unless I'm dead).

[Lathum]

I think based on the delay the deadline should be pushed back as well.

[Tyrith]

I can't really say that this surprised me, and it's kind of a relief in a way, because I wasn't able to put the energy into the game I typically like to. Good luck to the good guys.

[Lorena]

I'm all for pushing the deadline back, I'm PMSing so bad I can't think straight.

[st.cronin]

ok we're back up and online ... processing night right now ... today's deadline will be SUNDAY 8pm ET ... apologies for the delay

[st.cronin]

Once again you gather for breakfast with somebody missing ... this time Anxiety is the Forsaken's chosen victim!


Anxiety is dead
DAY 4 HAS BEGUN - DEADLINE SUNDAY 8PM ET

[RPI-Fan]

I'm still pretty convinced, for little reason other than a hunch, that LSG is bad.

VOTE LONESTARGIRL

[Abe Sargent]

Well, that sucks. Thanks all for a fun game, as always!!!

-Anxiety

[Lorena]

I'm lost without my voting spreadsheet so I took the time to tally all the votes and since voting records mean something, I looked at the people who voted for RPI and Tyrith:

BrianD, Jonathan Ezarik, Chief Rum and Lathum

We found out AlanT and RPI both dreamt of Brian, so it is seems to me that BrianD is of the Light. LSG voted for RPI (Day 2) and then voted for BrianD (Day 3) 15 minutes before deadline with a throwaway vote for someone whom I feel is good, so LSG has gone up my radar a bit.

Right now, Jonathan, Chief Rum, Lathum and LSG are the ones I'm looking at.

[Lathum]

DC, you have voted for LSG and AlanT after it was obvious someone else was gonna be lynched. IMO casting 2 throw away votes is much more suspicous the voting for 2 good guys early on.

[Lorena]

DC, you have voted for LSG and AlanT after it was obvious someone else was gonna be lynched. IMO casting 2 throw away votes is much more suspicous the voting for 2 good guys early on.

Sure, you can see it that way. But how many times have I been a villager? Almost every single time (only once have I not been, but I wasn't a wolf either) and out of all those times, how many times have I "thrown away" my vote?

I vote the same every single game... I really hate the bandwagon vote unless I really feel it in my gut or there's overwhelming evidence.

[Lorena]

dola,

and in RPI and Tyrith's case, I just didn't feel it.

[Mr. Wednesday]

I'm lost without my voting spreadsheet so I took the time to tally all the votes and since voting records mean something, I looked at the people who voted for RPI and Tyrith:

BrianD, Jonathan Ezarik, Chief Rum and Lathum
I voted for RPI as well, but not on the day where he was tried.

[Lorena]

I voted for RPI as well, but not on the day where he was tried.

Yeah, you voted for him on Day 1 which doesn't really count since mostly everyone voted for each other.

You did vote for Tyrith yesterday so I'm keeping my eye on you too ;)

[Chief Rum]

Yeah, you voted for him on Day 1 which doesn't really count since mostly everyone voted for each other.

You did vote for Tyrith yesterday so I'm keeping my eye on you too ;)

I don't mind being on such a shortlist, because I see your point. That said, note that each of those votes were made early in the day (out of necessity) with little information given. They were UTR votes (and stated as such at the time). And, of course, a number of others felt much the same, and you know not everyone on your list is bad.

I didn't like voting for RPI or Tryith either, but we have precious little information right now.

Lynching me now would do us little good. It would just waste another day while a member of Light dies (or passes the test, I don't know), and the dark side gets another shot at us. We should be very concerned that we haven't even had a hint of evil so far, from what I can see.

[Lorena]

I don't mind being on such a shortlist, because I see your point. That said, note that each of those votes were made early in the day (out of necessity) with little information given. They were UTR votes (and stated as such at the time). And, of course, a number of others felt much the same, and you know not everyone on your list is bad.

I didn't like voting for RPI or Tryith either, but we have precious little information right now.

Lynching me now would do us little good. It would just waste another day while a member of Light dies (or passes the test, I don't know), and the dark side gets another shot at us. We should be very concerned that we haven't even had a hint of evil so far, from what I can see.

Yeah, I was looking back at the votes and know your job situation so I can understand where you're coming from. I know full well that some (who the heck knows, maybe all) on my could be villagers, but really, what else do we have to go by?

We're losing precious time and since a lot of people seem to put emphasis on the second vote on someone, Jonathan E voted was the second to vote for RPI (on Day 2) and Mr. W was the second vote on Tyrith (yesterday).

Vote for Jonathan E.

I'm basing my vote on voting patterns (second vote on RPI and fifth vote on Tyrith).

[BrianD]

I'm not sure if I will make it back before the lynch this evening, so I'll drop my random vote now. Hopefully we'll finally get a bad guy today so we can start making real use out of voting patterns.

Vote LSG

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Right now, Jonathan, Chief Rum, Lathum and LSG are the ones I'm looking at.

I'm basing my vote on voting patterns (second vote on RPI and fifth vote on Tyrith).

I understand your reasoning behind voting for me, and I don't blame you. But it is a bad vote. First, though, I want to let you know that I think you're looking at the wrong people in Chief Rum and Lathum.

CR was the first to mention a role similar to mine (and I think yours). This was before anyone else came out about this, so he gets a pretty significant level of trust from me.

As for Lathum, I thought he was a wolf initially, but if RPI believes he is good, that's good enough for me. RPI is the only one I trust other than myself right now, although Brian is right there behind him. And speaking of Brian, last night I joined the ranks of having dreams about him.

Now, on to my votes. I know that the votes against RPI and Tyrith look bad. I even mentioned that when I voted for RPI. My vote against RPI was entirely based on him being UTR. He missed the first day vote and hadn't said anything at that point other than checking in. I threw the second vote against him in the attempt to flush him out. That was my sole reasoning behind it.

The Tyrith vote was more of a safety vote for Brian. I wasn't convinced that Tyrith was evil, but prior to my vote it was 4-2 Tyrith/Brian. I was afraid that if I went elsewhere with my vote, someone could switch off Tyrith to Brian and I didn't want that to happen.

I hope that explains my votes well enough. I knew that both votes were putting me in a tight spot, but to me, they make sense. If you disagree, so be it. I'm nothing more than a plain member of the Light, so losing me doesn't cause us to lose a valuable role, but it does hurt the fight against the wolves.

As for where I'm looking today, LSG is high on my list of suspects. If I had to vote right now, it would be her. I'm going to hold off for now and see if anyone else has news from last night, but if things don't change, she gets my vote.

[LoneStarGirl]

I think tonight is important to us of the Light. We really need to bear down and get us a wolf. I went through and read and reread the thread and can honestly say I made a mistake voting for Briand... I read too fast sometimes obviously. But while looking at everybody Jonathan sticks out the most to me. Not only are his votes suspicious, but for somebody with a lot of posts, he really has contributed nothing. I think he just made the longest post of his WereWolf career and all he did was defend his votes. He claims to be a vanilla villager but I recall in the past when he has been vanilla he has been more vocal.

vote jonathan

[Lorena]

Ahh yes Jon, you are correct; I had forgotten about that. Out of curiousty, why is LSG in your radar Jon?

I see LSG is in the thread right now and I'm curious as to what she'll say.

[Alan T]

I am confused about something, Brian I need you to clarify it.

Based you RPI getting a dream about you yesterday it pretty much solidified in my mind what your role is -IF- you were good. Going from there, I truly do not understand then why the next night you went for Jonathan. I also think -if- that assumption of your role is true then people need to stop announcing that they dreamed about you as it might affect your ability to perform your role later.

Now my always non-trusting mind started spinning some on trying to figure things out and I'm still not convinced you are entirely good. Going for Jonathan last night to scan screams out to me that you might have some other type role that I would find to be very anti-good in nature. I guess I need an explanation of why Jonathan last night from you as right now you are back up on my radar making me very uncomfortable.

[RPI-Fan]

LSG is not getting any support from anybody. To me that indicates that the wolves are sacrificing her and letting her fend for herself against the small coalition voting for her. I'm somewhat confident LSG is wolf.

[Chief Rum]

We need to get some major discussion going, pronto. If we don't take down a baddie today, we will be in a sore spot. We need to start putting pressure on some people.

I don't have any clear suspects, so I have to go on hunches right now. So take that for what it's worth.

AlanT-- Did we ever get exact details of how your dream went with BrianD? What exactly did you see him doing?

RPIFan-- (And forgive me if you mentioned this already), did you get a dream when BrianD targeted you? What was that dream like?

BrianD-- Who did you target last night, and did you learn anything. That person should also come forward to confirm this.

It might help discussion a lot if we knew more details about the one "role" we seem to have a little knowledge about.

Finally, my baddie sense is tingling on these two...

Blade-- He's just too quiet for Blade at this point in the game. I know it's an OOG reason, but it's a fact. It's out of character. I don't know why he hasn't been mucking things up, but to me it strikes me as very UTR-ish. Perhaps if we throw a vote or two his way, it will wake the beast.

LSG-- Just a hunch. I know she's usually quiet, but I usually get more from her few poists than I have gotten this game. Might be she has nothing to offer. Or might be she is a wolf.

I am off for the day (until past deadline), so I have to put in a vote now before further discussion (unfortunately).

So I will... VOTE BLADE

Good luck, everyone.

[Alan T]

We need to get some major discussion going, pronto. If we don't take down a baddie today, we will be in a sore spot. We need to start putting pressure on some people.

I don't have any clear suspects, so I have to go on hunches right now. So take that for what it's worth.

AlanT-- Did we ever get exact details of how your dream went with BrianD? What exactly did you see him doing?

RPIFan-- (And forgive me if you mentioned this already), did you get a dream when BrianD targeted you? What was that dream like?

BrianD-- Who did you target last night, and did you learn anything. That person should also come forward to confirm this.

It might help discussion a lot if we knew more details about the one "role" we seem to have a little knowledge about.

Finally, my baddie sense is tingling on these two...

Blade-- He's just too quiet for Blade at this point in the game. I know it's an OOG reason, but it's a fact. It's out of character. I don't know why he hasn't been mucking things up, but to me it strikes me as very UTR-ish. Perhaps if we throw a vote or two his way, it will wake the beast.

LSG-- Just a hunch. I know she's usually quiet, but I usually get more from her few poists than I have gotten this game. Might be she has nothing to offer. Or might be she is a wolf.

I am off for the day (until past deadline), so I have to put in a vote now before further discussion (unfortunately).

So I will... VOTE BLADE

Good luck, everyone.


I've stated several times what my dream consisted of. RPI did admit he got the same dream I did of Brian, and Jonathan already has stated he got a dream of Brian last night.

Its kind of unlike you to not pay close attention to the game Chief. Usually you are very deep in looking for things that strike you as odd.

[Lathum]

Alan, I thought the same thing, it is odd for CR to not notice details. I know from expierience as a wolf you sometimes tend to notice less and just steer clear of everything.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

He claims to be a vanilla villager but I recall in the past when he has been vanilla he has been more vocal.

I'm confused by this. First, you say I've said a lot without adding to the conversation, then you say I'm not being vocal enough.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Out of curiousty, why is LSG in your radar Jon?

A few reasons:

1) Before game she said she would be more active. Real life messes up all plans so I don't hold this against her, but it is something I keep in mind.

2) Her rationale for her first day vote against spleen. She claimed that only spleen and her didn't have votes against them the first day, which is wrong. Neither Anxiety or Chief Rum had any votes at the time of her vote. This is what first caught my eye.

3) Her vote against Brian yesterday. He never claimed to scan anyone, yet that is what she listed as her reasoning for his vote.

[Blade6119]

We need to get some major discussion going, pronto. If we don't take down a baddie today, we will be in a sore spot. We need to start putting pressure on some people.

I don't have any clear suspects, so I have to go on hunches right now. So take that for what it's worth.

AlanT-- Did we ever get exact details of how your dream went with BrianD? What exactly did you see him doing?

RPIFan-- (And forgive me if you mentioned this already), did you get a dream when BrianD targeted you? What was that dream like?

BrianD-- Who did you target last night, and did you learn anything. That person should also come forward to confirm this.

It might help discussion a lot if we knew more details about the one "role" we seem to have a little knowledge about.

Finally, my baddie sense is tingling on these two...

Blade-- He's just too quiet for Blade at this point in the game. I know it's an OOG reason, but it's a fact. It's out of character. I don't know why he hasn't been mucking things up, but to me it strikes me as very UTR-ish. Perhaps if we throw a vote or two his way, it will wake the beast.

LSG-- Just a hunch. I know she's usually quiet, but I usually get more from her few poists than I have gotten this game. Might be she has nothing to offer. Or might be she is a wolf.

I am off for the day (until past deadline), so I have to put in a vote now before further discussion (unfortunately).

So I will... VOTE BLADE

Good luck, everyone.

Im around today if you want to talk. But i dont feel like being a catalyst right now, so if you want to discuss something you will have to propose it. Quite frankly lathum's comments have turned me off this game, so in that regard im sorry to the village. I considered stepping out, but im not sure we have anyone who can step in. Im playing, but my heart is just not in it right now.

Maybe a few votes on me will get me in the mood, ironically im somewhat glad you voted me. Gave me a little flicker in my heart :)

[Lathum]

Im around today if you want to talk. But i dont feel like being a catalyst right now, so if you want to discuss something you will have to propose it. Quite frankly lathum's comments have turned me off this game, so in that regard im sorry to the village. I considered stepping out, but im not sure we have anyone who can step in. Im playing, but my heart is just not in it right now.
Maybe a few votes on me will get me in the mood, ironically im somewhat glad you voted me. Gave me a little flicker in my heart :)

gimme a break. someone get him some monistat 7 for his yeast infection :rolleyes:

[Blade6119]

I dont have anything to really go on, but my top suspect for the now is Chief. Not because he voted me(thought it helps ;) ), but he seems to be playing the sage villager while ignoring some of the facts that dont help his arguments. Flimsy, but its the best i see out there.

VOTE CHIEF RUM

[LoneStarGirl]

A few reasons:

1) Before game she said she would be more active. Real life messes up all plans so I don't hold this against her, but it is something I keep in mind.

2) Her rationale for her first day vote against spleen. She claimed that only spleen and her didn't have votes against them the first day, which is wrong. Neither Anxiety or Chief Rum had any votes at the time of her vote. This is what first caught my eye.

3) Her vote against Brian yesterday. He never claimed to scan anyone, yet that is what she listed as her reasoning for his vote.

I hate to say it, but the way I am playing now IS more active than I usually am. Y'all should know this. Second, on the first day I trully thought spleen and I were the only ones, I haven't gone back to verify that, but I would have put money on it. But maybe my past feelings for spleen haven't gone away and I subconsciously just wanted an excuse to vote for him *shrug* But since you mentioned spleen, he died the night after I voted for him. Now I have played enough games to know that if I was a wolf, that is STUPID to kill somebody you voted for. Red flags would be everywhere. And my vote against Briand was because I didn't like the votes for Tyrnth, and BrianD is always suspicious to me, and him 'scanning' RPI after he was validated as good, that really struck me as something a good guy would not do.

[Lorena]

Well, I'm not entirely comfortable with my vote so I asked Antmeister to give me a number and he said #5. I looked at the list and it was Chief Rum. So I said, "Interesting choice because he's one of the top suspects" and he came back with, "keep playing your random game of chance" which made me LOL. No matter how much we "analyze" or how many clues we "read", we seem to always lynch an innocent. http://www.intercot.com/discussion/images/smilies/shrug.gif

[Jonathan Ezarik]

And my vote against Briand was because I didn't like the votes for Tyrnth, and BrianD is always suspicious to me, and him 'scanning' RPI after he was validated as good, that really struck me as something a good guy would not do.

Except Brian never claimed to scan RPI. He's hinted at two different roles, but the seer is not one of them.

Since no other news appears to be coming out today, I'm voting

VOTE LoneStarGirl

for reasons already stated.

[Lathum]

I am going to be engrossed in the Giants game so I am gonna vote now.

VOTE CHIEF RUM

It's not like him to miss details. He also makes a post how we need discussion, then votes and runs after making a post where all he does is re-hash what we already know. I remember him playing a similar way n the resident evil game. Plus he has been very quiet this game which is not his style at all, even with his work schedule which I know is very demanding.

[st.cronin]

roughly 3 hours to deadline

3 - LoneStarGirl - RPI-Fan, BrianD, Jonathan E
2 - Jonathan E - DodgerChick, LoneStarGirl
2 - Chief Rum - Blade, Lathum
1 - Blade - Chief Rum

[Lorena]

Lathum and Blade agreeing on something? That's a first ain't it?

I'm pretty engrossed in the football game and since I'm not entirely comfortable with my vote, I'm gonna

unvote Jonathan E
VOTE LONESTARGIRL

I don't feel she's participating more than usual and I already listed why she's one of my suspects earlier.

Back to the game, I will probably not be back by deadline as I enjoy watching Eli Manning crumble under the pressure http://www.forums.naturalparenting.com.au/images/smilie/icon_twisted.gif

[Lathum]

I'm trying to keep emotion out of my vote.

btw, schmidty has been awefully quiet

[Blade6119]

Stop trying to cast suspicion in other places lathum, its getting old.

[Lathum]

Stop trying to cast suspicion in other places lathum, its getting old.

hmmmm, pretty quick to defend schmidty

[Blade6119]

Pretty quick to call you out on trying to find an out for someone...lsg?

[Alan T]

Guess I will ensure that LSG gets lynched here and vote her here. My vote probably will lock it up. I don't really feel comfortable with any vote, and no one I pushed decided to respond at all. I would happily vote one of those or a handful of others, but it would only be a throw away here.

Vote LSG

[st.cronin]

deadline

[st.cronin]

final vote count:

5 - LoneStarGirl - DodgerChick, RPI-Fan, BrianD, Jonathan E, AlanT
2 - Chief Rum - Blade, Lathum
1 - Jonathan E - LoneStarGirl
1 - Blade - Chief Rum

no votes from
Mr. W
Schmidty

results coming

[st.cronin]

Numerous Aes Sedai have noted something suspicious about LoneStarGirl, and make their fears known. The vote is made: LSG shall be tried. LoneStarGirl stands and says "Are you kidding? I'm not going through that thing. You saw what happened to path. I'm out of here, guys." Before she can connect to the One Power, though, DodgerChick, AlanT, and RPI-Fan link up, and cut her off from the source. Armed guards grab her and escort her, screaming, towards the arches - she is hurled through! Out the other side comes her charred skeleton! LoneStarGirl was one of the Forsaken!

LoneStarGirl is dead
Night 4 has begun - deadline 8am ET Monday

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Yea!

[Lorena]

Wohoo!!!

[Schmidty]

There was a vote today????? I didn't think we were going to be active on the weekends...........That sucks.

At least we got a bad guy.

[Lathum]

There was a vote today????? I didn't think we were going to be active on the weekends...........That sucks.

At least we got a bad guy.

this reeks to me

[Jonathan Ezarik]

this reeks to me

Me, too. Especially since we've known since Thursday that we were playing on the weekend. I'll also be curious to hear why Mr. Wednesday missed another vote as well.

[RPI-Fan]

Boo-yah!

[RPI-Fan]

Ok, so I think we have a lot more to go on, now... please take particular notice of the people who were notably evasive of me following my numerous accusations of LSG.

[Lathum]

i think we need to look at the people who voted for lsg, i'm certain there will be a wolf hiding in there

[Alan T]

Ok, so I think we have a lot more to go on, now... please take particular notice of the people who were notably evasive of me following my numerous accusations of LSG.


Part of me wonders if Blade and Lathum are putting on a show for us.

[Lathum]

Part of me wonders if Blade and Lathum are putting on a show for us.

did you play in the necromanser game?

[LoneStarGirl]

Bah Humbug.

[Blade6119]

good job everyone

[Alan T]

did you play in the necromanser game?

Yep, its not the hostility to each other that I somewhat feel is a show. I thought about voting for Chief today for a bit until I saw how easily you and Blade put aside your differences to vote together on him when it was still a close race between a few people.

In the end, I had no idea if LSG was good or bad, but figured I would put a vote out there to prevent anyone making any last minute changes to bring it close.

[Blade6119]

If i had wanted to work with other wolves to save LSG, JE was the obvious choice. Its was 3-2 at the time, and instead of tying it up i went out and placed a vote on a person with no votes(something ive done every day). Lathum and chief are my top suspects, and i will be voting one tomorrow. If you think me voting chief was the smart move to save LSG, then quite frankly your a worse player then i thought.

But ill hold back on saying anything else until the night is over.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Actually, it was 2-2 at the time of your vote.

[Blade6119]

Actually, it was 2-2 at the time of your vote.

But you hadnt voted, you were one of the ones on the block. You were a given to vote for LSG in self-preservation, and you did. In that situation, your vote is already a given. So it was 3-2, whether you had voted yet or not.

[Alan T]

If i had wanted to work with other wolves to save LSG, JE was the obvious choice. Its was 3-2 at the time, and instead of tying it up i went out and placed a vote on a person with no votes(something ive done every day). Lathum and chief are my top suspects, and i will be voting one tomorrow. If you think me voting chief was the smart move to save LSG, then quite frankly your a worse player then i thought.

But ill hold back on saying anything else until the night is over.


Leaving personal insults out of it....

I had this as the voting for the day:

rpi votes lsg (1)
DC votes jon (1)
brian votes lsg (2)
lsg votes jon (2)
chief votes blade (1)
blade votes chief (1)
jon votes Lsg (3)
lathum votes chief (2)
dc unvotes jon (1)
dc votes lsg (4)
alan votes lsg (5)

Now part of saving someone from the lynch is the art of doing so without looking like you did. The part that was really fishy to me was that I purposely was one of the last 4 non voters on purpose for most of the day. I entered in suspicious because I wasn't feeling very good about DC and was watching to see how the vote went.

Then when I got frustrated with Chief and brought it up, it suddenly became the vote for Blade and Lathum (who were/are at war with each other). That just either seemed convienant or something. I guess part of me wondered if it was expected I might vote for Chief, and thus me being the person who saved LSG on the lynch.

Then after the lynch Lathum came out and said he thinks the best place to look for another wolf was the people who voted for LSG... So that includes RPI (who we assume is good), Brian, Jon (who could have saved himself just as easily by voting chief at that point as LSG if he wanted), DC (who was the condemning vote by moving from jon to LSG) and myself.

Out of that group, the only logical choices for Lathum's supposed hidden wolves would likely be myself or Brian. I just don't see that stretch is all, so for today, the oddest play for my tastes was you and Lathum. Thats why part of me wonders if there is a show going on here or not.

[RPI-Fan]

DC's late switch also seems a bit odd at this point...

[RPI-Fan]

DC's late switch also seems a bit odd at this point...

That is to say, her late switch, given that she allegedley was just guessing on LSG anyways, does not make much sense. Why switch to LSG when you are just as convinced she is bad as is anyone else?

[Lathum]

Alan, I thin Jon or DC could easily be wolves. It's not uncommon for the wolves to sacrifice one of their own to save face and when they make that move they are often the deciding vote to make it look better

[Alan T]

DC's late switch also seems a bit odd at this point...


Well, I've been trying to figure that out. I didn't have much against DC other than her responding overly defensively to my trying to analyze some of her earlier moves. (So defensively when there wasn't really any pressure, it felt like guilty talk).

Other than that, I don't really have a bad feel about her. THe thing is I assume there are two bad guys left now right now. Maybe thats a bad assumption, but at the time of her switch it was 3-2 with most likely 2 bad guys out there somewhere. No one knew where I was going to vote yet (I didn't know myself) so in a sense DC's vote was the condemning vote. Obviously if DC is good, and there are two other bad guys out there they -could- have still saved LSG after her vote (but not after mine) but that type of move would have been very suspicious.

I have seen people with moves damning a bad guy to buy trust before when they were bad several times, so its not something I put past her, but right now there are quite a few people I suspect more than her.

[Lorena]

That is to say, her late switch, given that she allegedley was just guessing on LSG anyways, does not make much sense. Why switch to LSG when you are just as convinced she is bad as is anyone else?

Uh... weren't we all guessing that LSG might be bad? You had a "hunch", never really elaborated other than a "gut feeling", so as far as I'm concerned, your guess was as good as mine.

[Lorena]

We probably shouldn't be having these discussions now right? I'll refrain until the night is over.. hopefully we find something out with tonight's kill.

[Chief Rum]

I see I got a couple votes and a lot of suspicion, although, frankly, I suspected that after my post this morning.

I, in fact, did miss a detail up until now, not noting a short post by Alan shortly after his dream revelation on Day Two in which he clearly states he did not receive any dream details except that he had "vivid" dreams of PlayerX (soon to be revealed as BrianD). It seems that RPIFan and Jon Ez have essentially corroborated this with their own experiences (although it should be noted I was in a rush this morning, and Jon's post was the very last one before I started my post--several posts happened before I hit 'Enter'--and I didn't really give it my full attention).

So for any confusion on that, my apologies. Ever since the game has started, I feel as if I have been in a bit of a rush. I am working 8-5 most days now (PDT), which means I have no chance of getting home by deadline at all, which is also earlier than most people have it. Then on Friday, I worked my second job and was asked to stay until closing (2 a.m. my time). Not only did that mean no input from me Friday night, but half of my Saturday (my only full day off) was blown to bits by sleeping off some 17+ hours of work Friday.

So I haven't been able to give the game my full attention, and apologize if I have not been able to be as detail-focused as usual.

Nonetheless, I did say this morning that LSG's actions have struck me as odd, and sure enough, she was a wolf. I still find Blade's actions weird, but I am still digesting today's vote. The Lathum-Blade double vote strikes me as extremely curious.

In any case, I am around right now, so if anyone has any questions, please do ask them now. I will be glad to answer your concerns. I will be away at work tomorrow again, so now is the best time.

I am reviewing posts right now, and if I have something further to add, I will do so.

[Chief Rum]

We probably shouldn't be having these discussions now right? I'll refrain until the night is over.. hopefully we find something out with tonight's kill.

Since we're working with supposition right now and precious little fact, I don't know that a lack of discussion would do anything except freeze me out of my one good chance to participate, and make you all more suspicious of me. I would rather continue to consider what we have here before turing in.

[BrianD]

For the record, I voted for LSG very early in the day and then was out the rest of the day, as I announced. That should be a pretty good indication that I'm on the good team. I wouldn't have voted for a fellow bad person early and then not be around to try to keep her safe.

Alan, you asked earlier why I looked at JE last night. I took a shot that he was the right person to look at. It turned out that I was wrong, but from the fairly random results from the night before, a random choice seemed to be a reasonable choice.

[Schmidty]

this reeks to me

Regardless, it's the truth.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Very happy to see we hit with the vote today. I have no valid excuse for missing it -- I watched the Pats game and went to a hockey game, but I was back with about an hour and a half to go, and even after watching the end of the Pats game I still had fifteen minutes left.

[st.cronin]

I have recieved all night actions and will run the night early. Results coming.

[st.cronin]

You awake and gather, and again, one of your society is missing - this time it is BrianD who has been killed by the Forsaken! There are only 9 of you left - and at least one of you must be Forsaken.

Day 5 has begun - deadline Monday 8pm ET

[Lorena]

Aww man, that sucks :(

[Lorena]

I had written this earlier, but now that night actions have been posted, here it is:

Since we're working with supposition right now and precious little fact, I don't know that a lack of discussion would do anything except freeze me out of my one good chance to participate, and make you all more suspicious of me. I would rather continue to consider what we have here before turing in.

Alright Chief since you're here, when I switched my vote from Jon to LSG, I noticed that both blade and lathum actually agreed on something after bickering since Day 3 and that's why I mentioned it. I looked back to see when their bickering started and it started with post 280 when blade voted for Lathum and Lathum retaliated with
here goes Blade with his "lets throw enough crap at the wall and see what sticks" routine.

That leads me to believe that one of them might have been converted and are using their little squabble as a front.

[Lorena]

Although this quote makes me think otherwise:

I'm trying to keep emotion out of my vote.

btw, schmidty has been awefully quiet

If Lathum is a wolf, I doubt very seriously that he'd openly disagree with the lynching of LSG which kinda leads me to believe that he MIGHT actually be good.

I really don't know what to make of the Lathum-Blade arguing. I've never seen it this bad ( and no I didn't play in the necromancer game ). I mean has it been brewing for this long or is it a front?

[Lorena]

With that, I'm out; I'm absolutely exhausted.

[Blade6119]

You awake and gather, and again, one of your society is missing - this time it is BrianD who has been killed by the Forsaken! There are only 8 of you left - and at least one of you must be Forsaken.

Day 5 has begun - deadline Monday 8pm ET

I count 9, remember that RPI is alive despite being tried.

[st.cronin]

I count 9, remember that RPI is alive despite being tried.

correct - editing the post now

[Chief Rum]

Okay, we have nine people remaining. I think we can do some likely emliminating here to focus on a smaller subset of targets. Here goes.

We have:

RPI-Fan
AlanT
Blade
Lathum
Dodgerchick
Jon Ezarik
Schmidty
MrWednesday
Chief Rum

RPI Fan is a known good, so we can throw him out. While there is a possibility he was converted after his "lynching", I find that unlikely, as that would make evil too powerful (we can't lynch him or kill him in other ways that I know of). I believe he is only alive because evil feels he doesn't have any other powers (and he probably doesn't). Also, it may just be a reading of the extras in the details, but my impression of the Forsaken is that they have been through tons to get to this point. So they are Forsaken, thick & thin, and have been for some time. This isn't some little decision they just make, like a bribe. This is a huge life direction move. I think we started with three Forsaken with no conversion ability.

I am throwing out Schmidty and MrWednesday, too. You might think it odd they missed the vote, but Schmidty has a history of this, and I wouldn't miss a playoff game or a hockey game for anything if I was MrW. Fact is, if you're a wolf, you are more into the game. You don't miss long stretches unless you have to. And that's under normal circumstances. Today's circumstances for the wolves were extraordinary-- LSG was on the block. She was up two votes for almost the entire last three hours before her lynch. Plenty of time for someone to do a save. I find it hard to believe that MrW and Schmidty would be out there "missing" with one of their own so saveable.

Jonathon Ezarik is out in my mind, because when LSG had a chance to put her vote in today, she voted for Jon E. It was his second vote, and a possibility of getting the ball rolling on him. I don't see her making that move on a fellow wolf. Also, BrianD targeted him the previous night and there was a confirmed dream passage between them. I will get to Brian more in a second, but I think there is one more inkling of the evidence supporting Jon Ez's goodness.

Finally, DC is out in my mind as well. For one thing, she and LSG have been a little catty in this game. DC even voted for LSG a couple days ago. Second, after LSG made the Jon Ez vote today, DC switched from Jon Ez to LSG and essentially put her head back in the noose with three hours to go. She moved LSG from quite catchable at 3 votes to a harder turn with 4, and with just three hours to go.

That leaves AlanT, Lathum and Blade. I am excluding myself, because I know I am good. I know you all will have to judge for yourselves about that. I hope you know I wouldn't go to this much trouble if I am bad.

Now, you might think Alan is good, given Brian targeted him, and things came up jolly. And I am still inclined to think he is, too. He is, as usual, way too noisy in the early start to be a wolf. That said, I would only put him at medium right now, partly because I don't know that he has been cleared by affiliation yet, and because he linked himself with a dead person who couldn't confirm his goodness. He also essentially made a throwaway vote on LSG just before the deadline today, when it was extremely unliekly MrW and Schmidty would both come on and save her. That could be an attempt to hide his vote (and a smart move, IMO). He is still a possibility in my mind.

I think BrianD was closer to a spy than a bodyguard. But his main value is that he can tell when someone is asleep!. If you're asleep, you're not awake and killing anyone are you? He can't tell affiliation, but he could tell if they were awake or not. So Alan could not have killed on Night One, and Jon E on Night Three. I won't bother to address RPI-Fan who is clearly good. I don't think Brian made the best choiuce in RPI unless he had BG abilities as well. But I don't see that. He may have thought he could see someone killing RPI, which is why he chose him. RPI would have been a possible target for the wolves, as he was cleared good and couldn't die in the day. But I don't think Brian fully understood the type of powers he had (which is understandable in this game where much is hidden). This is all speculation, but I feel good about it right now.

The last two are Blade and Lathum. Blade I have already stated is acting a bit out of sorts from his usual approach to things. This raises a lot of doubt with me. That said, my gut says he isn't into this game, as I have seen him bad and good, and he always raises a ruckus. The fact he isn't says more about his state of mind than his affiliation. I think if he was bad, he wouldn't have any issue being motivated. It's when he's good that other stuff (like OOG stuff or Lathum insults) would get in the way. So I think he is good.

Therefore, my main suspect is Lathum. My gut says he is trying to spread confusion with his theories, which are there to make a point, but not long enough (like this or Alan's posts) to make an impression. He says a few days ago he never gets interesting roles, and yet, he gets them all the time. He was even called on that here. It could have been an attempt to drop a "hint" he was a plain vanilla villager (and hid by way of that). Then there is his spat with Blade, which strikes me as an attempt to get himself more obviously "into" the game without actually committing himself to anything except that he doesn't like Blade (or something to that effect). But he is the second vote on me after Blade, and when I could still have been made a viable candidate instead of LSG. It also separated his vote from LSG's, so he wouldn't be linked with her.

There is still a strong possibility Blade and Lathum are playing this one up. But that's not what my hunch says.

I will be gone all day Monday, so I will leave you all to chew on this. Hopefully it doesn't get me lynched, but if it does, so be it.

VOTE LATHUM

[Chief Rum]

Okay, we have nine people remaining. I think we can do some likely emliminating here to focus on a smaller subset of targets. Here goes.

We have:

RPI-Fan
AlanT
Blade
Lathum
Dodgerchick
Jon Ezarik
Schmidty
MrWednesday
Chief Rum

RPI Fan is a known good, so we can throw him out. While there is a possibility he was converted after his "lynching", I find that unlikely, as that would make evil too powerful (we can't lynch him or kill him in other ways that I know of). I believe he is only alive because evil feels he doesn't have any other powers (and he probably doesn't). Also, it may just be a reading of the extras in the details, but my impression of the Forsaken is that they have been through tons to get to this point. So they are Forsaken, thick & thin, and have been for some time. This isn't some little decision they just make, like a bribe. This is a huge life direction move. I think we started with three Forsaken with no conversion ability.

I am throwing out Schmidty and MrWednesday, too. You might think it odd they missed the vote, but Schmidty has a history of this, and I wouldn't miss a playoff game or a hockey game for anything if I was MrW. Fact is, if you're a wolf, you are more into the game. You don't miss long stretches unless you have to. And that's under normal circumstances. Today's circumstances for the wolves were extraordinary-- LSG was on the block. She was up two votes for almost the entire last three hours before her lynch. Plenty of time for someone to do a save. I find it hard to believe that MrW and Schmidty would be out there "missing" with one of their own so saveable.

Jonathon Ezarik is out in my mind, because when LSG had a chance to put her vote in today, she voted for Jon E. It was his second vote, and a possibility of getting the ball rolling on him. I don't see her making that move on a fellow wolf. Also, BrianD targeted him the previous night and there was a confirmed dream passage between them. I will get to Brian more in a second, but I think there is one more inkling of the evidence supporting Jon Ez's goodness.

Finally, DC is out in my mind as well. For one thing, she and LSG have been a little catty in this game. DC even voted for LSG a couple days ago. Second, after LSG made the Jon Ez vote today, DC switched from Jon Ez to LSG and essentially put her head back in the noose with three hours to go. She moved LSG from quite catchable at 3 votes to a harder turn with 4, and with just three hours to go.

That leaves AlanT, Lathum and Blade. I am excluding myself, because I know I am good. I know you all will have to judge for yourselves about that. I hope you know I wouldn't go to this much trouble if I am bad.

Now, you might think Alan is good, given Brian targeted him, and things came up jolly. And I am still inclined to think he is, too. He is, as usual, way too noisy in the early start to be a wolf. That said, I would only put him at medium right now, partly because I don't know that he has been cleared by affiliation yet, and because he linked himself with a dead person who couldn't confirm his goodness. He also essentially made a throwaway vote on LSG just before the deadline today, when it was extremely unliekly MrW and Schmidty would both come on and save her. That could be an attempt to hide his vote (and a smart move, IMO). He is still a possibility in my mind.

I think BrianD was closer to a spy than a bodyguard. But his main value is that he can tell when someone is asleep!. If you're asleep, you're not awake and killing anyone are you? He can't tell affiliation, but he could tell if they were awake or not. So Alan could not have killed on Night One, and Jon E on Night Three. I won't bother to address RPI-Fan who is clearly good. I don't think Brian made the best choiuce in RPI unless he had BG abilities as well. But I don't see that. He may have thought he could see someone killing RPI, which is why he chose him. RPI would have been a possible target for the wolves, as he was cleared good and couldn't die in the day. But I don't think Brian fully understood the type of powers he had (which is understandable in this game where much is hidden). This is all speculation, but I feel good about it right now.

The last two are Blade and Lathum. Blade I have already stated is acting a bit out of sorts from his usual approach to things. This raises a lot of doubt with me. That said, my gut says he isn't into this game, as I have seen him bad and good, and he always raises a ruckus. The fact he isn't says more about his state of mind than his affiliation. I think if he was bad, he wouldn't have any issue being motivated. It's when he's good that other stuff (like OOG stuff or Lathum insults) would get in the way. So I think he is good.

Therefore, my main suspect is Lathum. My gut says he is trying to spread confusion with his theories, which are there to make a point, but not long enough (like this or Alan's posts) to make an impression. He says a few days ago he never gets interesting roles, and yet, he gets them all the time. He was even called on that here. It could have been an attempt to drop a "hint" he was a plain vanilla villager (and hid by way of that). Then there is his spat with Blade, which strikes me as an attempt to get himself more obviously "into" the game without actually committing himself to anything except that he doesn't like Blade (or something to that effect). But he is the second vote on me after Blade, and when I could still have been made a viable candidate instead of LSG. It also separated his vote from LSG's, so he wouldn't be linked with her.

There is still a strong possibility Blade and Lathum are playing this one up. But that's not what my hunch says.

I will be gone all day Monday, so I will leave you all to chew on this. Hopefully it doesn't get me lynched, but if it does, so be it.

VOTE LATHUM

I decided to quote this because the board (or maybe my computer) is acting weird. It's not registering that I posted, so I wanted to be sure I wasn't the only one who could see it. :)

[Alan T]

Thanks for your points Chief, I somewhat agree with them, and somewhat don't.

I guess I know now what Brian's role is/was. He is dead now so it doesn't hurt for me to guess out in public. I'm pretty sure he was the bodyguard and not a spy or seer type. The reason I really doubted him alot yesterday was I didn't see why he guarded Jonathan that night. I started to wonder if he wasn't the bodyguard and actually was the anti-seer trying to find the seer. (Which would explain checking the people who he had). We know thats not the truth now, and the only real role had to have been bodyguard.

One thing about me Chief is I argue that you would have to assume by now I have been seer scanned. Wouldn't you assume if the seer had scanned me that they would have come out and announced if I was bad? I still stand by my thoughts from last night that we likely have 2 wolves left to hunt out. From the group, I think its highly unlikely that RPI is a wolf and I know I'm not a wolf. And I'm leaning to DC not being a wolf for the reasons I Stated yesterday.

In my mind that leaves everyone else. Like most games, now on day 5 and the seer not having hit on a bad guy yet, means they probably know at least 3-4 good guys still alive. I've been trying to figure out who the seer might have scanned vs not scanning to try to determine which people left are bad: Chief, Schmidty, Mr.W, Blade, Lathum, DC, Jonathan, me, RPI.

I'll highly argue that I've likely been scanned by now and the seer knows I am good. We know that RPI was good from the day result from a few days ago. Who else was a likely seer target by day 5? I commented strongly yesterday about Lathum and Blade's fighting back and forth, but that happens every game. The one thing I realized last night, what type of seer would have gone on to day 5 and hadn't scanned Lathum or Blade by now (or even both of them?) The lack of a seer coming out to say they are bad makes me feel my accusation from last night might not be as possible as I did yesterday. I still don't trust either of them, but I guess that is normal for almost every game for me.

I had accused and voted DC earlier in the game but like I said before it was based on one single vote and it was one of many. The most damning thing for me at that time was she had a guilty feel response (super defensive for no reason). Yesterday's vote makes me feel a lot less worried about her though. Right now behind me and RPI I feel she is the most likely to be good.

I thought alot about Jonathan last night. Did his vote tell me he was good or tell me not much? I believe at the time of his vote, it was 2 votes LSG, 2 votes him, 1 vote chief, 1 vote Blade. So his vote on LSG making it 3-2 seems like a good vote since she was bad, but was it really? What it looks like was more self preservation than anything else. Maybe my guess yesterday was right, and I just had the people wrong. Jon waited quite a while to cast his vote and he ended up puting it on the only person who would have saved him from the lynch. It was almost as if he was waiting to see if any other candidates were coming up, or perhaps someone else to show up to give an alternate candidate to try to save both him and LSG.

Maybe this is a reach, but what would we have expected to happen if both LSG and Jonathan were bad and the third bad guy was either someone MIA or either Blade and Chief who had tossed out a third candidate which had not stuck at the time? Jon waited to see if I would jump on someone else and when I waited too long, he ended up just voting for LSG. I guess I don't buy Jonathan is good based on his vote yesterday and in fact the more I look at it, the more I think he might be bad.

[Alan T]

Hmm in fact, I'll go ahead and start with my hunch. I'll be here all day while at work so up for all kinds of conversation, but I think Jonathan fits enough of my criteria for now to go with.

Pro: He was bodyguarded by Brian night 3 so we "guess" he did not make that night kill.
Pro: He voted for LSG who was bad.

Con: His vote for LSG was self-preservation which makes it a bit less meaningless for content
Con: His vote for LSG came quite late in the day after it had been a race between him and her for most of the day. Almost as if waiting for some other option.
Con: I don't see that Jonathan would have been a definite seer scan by now so perhaps a higher likelihood of being bad and sliding by this far.

Vote Jonathan

I hope more people are around today, I would love to get into some discussion on the group of Jonathan, Chief, Schmidty, Mr.W all of which have been fairly under the radar and good spots for perhaps 1 wolf to slide through till now. I still don't trust Blade or Lathum, but I think I likely won't push harder on one of them for now unless we get a seer hit on them. I guess I assume they likely have been seer scanned by now and someone would have spoken up if one or both were bad.

[RPI-Fan]

Umm... what he said (Chief Rum)...

VOTE LATHUM

[Lorena]

Wow Chief and Alan, that's great analysis and it's a lot to think about. Jonathan and Chief seemed to have received the same type of role I did, so I trust them a bit more (unless one of them was converted). Lathum on the other hand seemed to protect LSG quite a bit before her head was even on the block, so I suspect him a lot more than others. I'm too tired to look for the quotes so I'll look for them when my mind is a bit more clear.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Good post, Chief. A few comments.

I am throwing out Schmidty and MrWednesday, too. You might think it odd they missed the vote, but Schmidty has a history of this, and I wouldn't miss a playoff game or a hockey game for anything if I was MrW. Fact is, if you're a wolf, you are more into the game. You don't miss long stretches unless you have to. And that's under normal circumstances. Today's circumstances for the wolves were extraordinary-- LSG was on the block. She was up two votes for almost the entire last three hours before her lynch. Plenty of time for someone to do a save. I find it hard to believe that MrW and Schmidty would be out there "missing" with one of their own so saveable.

I thought about this last night and I'm leaning this way as well. I find it hard to believe that a wolf would miss a vote on purpose, especially with one of their own on the line. Of course, LSG did vote for spleen on day one and then he was killed that night, so maybe the wolves are taking a different track this time. What I do find fishy, though, is that Schmidty came in right after the result and made his post about not knowing we were playing. Maybe it's just an accident and doesn't mean anything, but it strikes me as odd.

Now, you might think Alan is good, given Brian targeted him, and things came up jolly. And I am still inclined to think he is, too. He is, as usual, way too noisy in the early start to be a wolf. That said, I would only put him at medium right now, partly because I don't know that he has been cleared by affiliation yet, and because he linked himself with a dead person who couldn't confirm his goodness. He also essentially made a throwaway vote on LSG just before the deadline today, when it was extremely unliekly MrW and Schmidty would both come on and save her. That could be an attempt to hide his vote (and a smart move, IMO). He is still a possibility in my mind.

Brian wasn't a spy. He was the bodyguard. At least, that's how I interpret his decision to "visit" RPI's dreams the night RPI was outed as good. I don't know if that prevents anyone from killing or not, so I wouldn't use that as a factor in deciding someone's allegiance. (Notice, this includes me as well.) So, I don't trust Alan. His vote yesterday was very suspicious. I don't know why he waited until the last minute to vote when it was obvious that LSG was going to be lynched, and he wasn't even sure she was a good vote. So why ensure her lynch by casting that vote?

The last two are Blade and Lathum. Blade I have already stated is acting a bit out of sorts from his usual approach to things. This raises a lot of doubt with me. That said, my gut says he isn't into this game, as I have seen him bad and good, and he always raises a ruckus. The fact he isn't says more about his state of mind than his affiliation. I think if he was bad, he wouldn't have any issue being motivated. It's when he's good that other stuff (like OOG stuff or Lathum insults) would get in the way. So I think he is good.

I'm with you on this one.

Therefore, my main suspect is Lathum. My gut says he is trying to spread confusion with his theories, which are there to make a point, but not long enough (like this or Alan's posts) to make an impression. He says a few days ago he never gets interesting roles, and yet, he gets them all the time. He was even called on that here. It could have been an attempt to drop a "hint" he was a plain vanilla villager (and hid by way of that). Then there is his spat with Blade, which strikes me as an attempt to get himself more obviously "into" the game without actually committing himself to anything except that he doesn't like Blade (or something to that effect). But he is the second vote on me after Blade, and when I could still have been made a viable candidate instead of LSG. It also separated his vote from LSG's, so he wouldn't be linked with her.

I agree as well. Something about him this game has struck me as odd, especially the way he handled the Brian reveal.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Hmm in fact, I'll go ahead and start with my hunch. I'll be here all day while at work so up for all kinds of conversation, but I think Jonathan fits enough of my criteria for now to go with.

Pro: He was bodyguarded by Brian night 3 so we "guess" he did not make that night kill.
Pro: He voted for LSG who was bad.

Con: His vote for LSG was self-preservation which makes it a bit less meaningless for content
Con: His vote for LSG came quite late in the day after it had been a race between him and her for most of the day. Almost as if waiting for some other option.
Con: I don't see that Jonathan would have been a definite seer scan by now so perhaps a higher likelihood of being bad and sliding by this far.



I'm not surprised by this vote at all. I had a feeling I would be a target today.

First, you're assuming the seer is still alive. I haven't seen anything that hints at someone being a seer, so I'm not willing to make the assumption that the role is still in play.

Second, I thought I did a pretty good job in stating a case for LSG yesterday. Maybe not. But I was right. The reason I waited to vote for her was that I was waiting to see if someone with new information came along. And as you said last night, I could have put my vote on Chief or Blade and made it a three-way race, but I don't believe either one of them is a wolf. LSG, though, I did. Hence my vote.

[Alan T]

Brian wasn't a spy. He was the bodyguard. At least, that's how I interpret his decision to "visit" RPI's dreams the night RPI was outed as good. I don't know if that prevents anyone from killing or not, so I wouldn't use that as a factor in deciding someone's allegiance. (Notice, this includes me as well.) So, I don't trust Alan. His vote yesterday was very suspicious. I don't know why he waited until the last minute to vote when it was obvious that LSG was going to be lynched, and he wasn't even sure she was a good vote. So why ensure her lynch by casting that vote?



See, this is the type of defense that makes me even more suspicious of you then I was before. I put out my reasons on why I felt what you did yesterday was not necessarily a sign of good and in fact could be a sign of bad. Instead of responding to my comments, you completely ignore my points about you and instead attack back with points that aren't even true.

Once again for the record, it was 4-2 at the time I voted. My choices were either throw away a vote which would ensure LSG get lynched or think LSG wasn't bad and vote for Chief (who had 2 votes at the time), or vote LSG and make sure no one else could move their vote.

If I had voted for Chief, it would have been 4-3 and I am pretty sure LSG would have moved her vote to Chief making it 4-4. I simply had no idea if LSG was good or bad. As someone in my role, you wouldn't have that information. I ended up basing my vote to lynch LSG on the play of others yesterday. I found things in Lathum and Blade's play that just did not sit right with me. So I voted how I did, which I am glad. As for a while I thought about voting for Chief, which if I had could have let LSG off without being lynched.

Now instead of making up things about me that aren't even true, considering its fairly likely I already have been seer scanned by now.. perhaps you want to respond to my thoughts about you.

[Alan T]

Ok, you responded to my comments while i was posting at the same time as you.

I think you're wrong though, I am pretty sure the seer is alive, and I am pretty sure I have a good idea who it is. I'm not going into much more detail on that, but I don't want to say much that would cause them to get killed.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Umm... what he said (Chief Rum)...

VOTE LATHUM

With this, Lathum gets my vote as well. I think Chief did a good job in summing up the case against him, and RPI was the only one who "had a hunch" that Lathum was good. I thought this was code for something else, but apparently not.

VOTE Lathum

[Chief Rum]

I'm in and out before going to work, but something I read I wanted to comment on. I think we have to be prepared that we have lost the seer role, or that that role has had some bad stretches of luck (scanning killed people, etc.), because I think we would have learned more by now from that person or even had a reveal. The fact that we haven't yet tells me we can't wait for a seer reveal to figure this out. So for that reason, I disagree with Alan's approach on some of the candidates, and encourage us all to not make assumptions on whether Alan or Blade or Lathum or myself or whoever were "likely" scanned or not.

It's assumptions like that could lead us to ignore good candidates even when all our regular evidence would suggest otherwise.

Good luck, everyone.

[Alan T]

I'm in and out before going to work, but something I read I wanted to comment on. I think we have to be prepared that we have lost the seer role, or that that role has had some bad stretches of luck (scanning killed people, etc.), because I think we would have learned more by now from that person or even had a reveal. The fact that we haven't yet tells me we can't wait for a seer reveal to figure this out. So for that reason, I disagree with Alan's approach on some of the candidates, and encourage us all to not make assumptions on whether Alan or Blade or Lathum or myself or whoever were "likely" scanned or not.

It's assumptions like that could lead us to ignore good candidates even when all our regular evidence would suggest otherwise.

Good luck, everyone.

Are you saying this because you actually believe it or because this approach makes you look like one of the people who has been under the radar all game.

I thought heavily about voting for you yesterday and am glad I didn't, however like I said yesterday you aren't playing how you normally do this game. Only today have you been acting like your normal self and part of me wonders if this is on purpose because you were being noticed.

If you honestly think the seer wouldn't have scanned me after the first day or two based on my behavior, then you and I have a very huge difference of opinion. The fact I've had no heat this game I am guessing is because the seer found that I was good. And on top of that all, I am pretty sure I know who the seer is, and he is alive, and no I won't tell you who I think it is.

[Alan T]

Looking at who is left, this is how I personally am grouping people:

Good feel:
RPI, Dogerchick

Neutral Feel:
Blade

Bad Feel:
Lathum, Jonathan, Chief

Under the Radar:

Mr. Wednesday, Schmidty

Right now, I am pretty sure that RPI and DC both are ok. I think we likely have 2 wolves left, I don't think there have been any conversions (based on no nights with missed kills) so I don't have any doubts about RPI having been converted at all.

I think it might be likely our last 2 wolves are either in my bad list or a combination of 1 in my bad list and 1 of the Under the radar list. Both of the Under the Radar people (mr.W and Schmidty) pulled things that seemed fishy to me this game in the limited time they have been here. (Schmidty was here yesterday, just happened to pop in 15 min after the lynch vote that he couldn't do anything about since I didn't vote for Chief). (Mr.W voting for Tyrith because Tyrith wasn't active enough)

[Alan T]

I am going to go ahead and move my vote also. I still don't feel any better about Jon, but Lathum also has been on my distrust list since yesterday.

Unvote jonathan
vote lathum

Vote is for the reasons I gave yesterday on why I thought Lathum was acting fishy to me. I still stand by what I said this morning, and I really would like more activity out of Schmidty and Mr.W today too. I don't buy the whole a wolf would be more active thing. We've seen plenty of games where a wolf was inactive alot of the game. (Heck I was a wolf one game with someone who missed half the votes).