Werewolf XLIV: The Fightin’ Fundies vs. Them Gays - GAME OVER

[Abe Sargent]

Hello and welcome to the next large WW game (it’s actually the 34th). Sit down, and keep reading, we need to talk.


Abe’s Disclaimer: The following rules and game are meant to be a satirical look of an extreme element of my own culture. I grew up in Southern West Virginia in small unincorporated villa nestled along the Coal River as it winds its way through the heart of Appalachia. I grew up the son of a Baptist Minister on the border between evangelical and fundamental. I myself am an ordained minister by an evangelical organization.

I remember going to West Virginia University and dating as lady who went to a church where the minister preached a sermon entitled, “Why God Hates the New International Version.” Despite my conservative upbringing, I had never been truly exposed to such unreasonable fervor. That is what I’m poking fun at in this werewolf. I am not attacking Christians, far from it. I am not attacking conservatives, far from it. I would consider myself both conservative and Christian, but there are people so far to the right that they can barely be seen from where I stand. I am sure that there are people on the left just as extreme, but I grew up in the Southern Coal Fields, so I don’t know that community, I know this one.

I believe that this dynasty has the potential to be truly great, because the satirical element has been amped up to a high degree. However, in order to play this dynasty, you need to not be easily offended. Although the humor in this dynasty is largely satirical, it is still largely respectful. No people are called names, nobody is being attacked, and nothing vitriolic is being used. Instead, the satire is mature, and often quite funny.

If you cannot keep from turning this werewolf game into a political thread where you espouse your own views and attack others, then I ask that you not play. If you are easily offended by a humorous and satirical look at your religion, then I ask that you not play. If you are not easily amused and are always serious, then I ask that you not play.

The game elements in this game are not significant enough to warrant attention. This game will be fun because of the theme and nature of the game itself, not because of the cleverness of its mechanics.

Everybody else, come on in and have a seat, because the show is about to start.

(Please note that the views expressed in pms, rules, history, plot, and so forth do not necessarily express the views of me, other WWers, SkyDog, FOFC, Gamespy, etc, etc)

[Abe Sargent]

You are the devout of Christ. You know that you are among the few remaining Americans that stand between the nation and Godlessness. Just like the lack of faithful caused Sodom and Gomorrah to fall, you know that should you fail, America will also fall before the wrath of God. Despite obviously living in what the Bible calls the end times, life is pretty good for you here in Heaven.

Maybe I should explain. Around ten years ago, Rev. Hambrick announced that God was leading him to create a community of good, God-fearing Christians at a medium sized farm here in West Virginia. You incorporated the name, Almost Heaven, and decided to raise your children here and make a life for yourselves. Other like minded folk have also moved to Almost Heaven, WV.

Six years ago your community lost a battle against the state over the education of your students. You had created a Christian School in Almost Heaven for your own children, and did not let anyone else go to that school and did not send any of your children to the county public schools. The state Board of Education ruled that any private school had to allow any interested party to attend barring some legitimate reason to exclude them, and geography was not a legitimate reason. Faced with the possibly of allowing heathens into your school, you prayerfully considered what to do. Eventually you decided to keep the cohesiveness of your students together by closing down the private school and sending them to the local high school.

That was the day your community opened itself up to the world.

Since then, an IGA store has opened a branch in Almost Heaven. Also, a small, independent ice cream stand and burger joint opened up. And a Husson’s Pizza came to the next town over (Sand Lick, WV). Slowly and surely the town began to become less like Heaven and more like any other place in Smallville, USA.

You didn’t realize just how bad things were until little Timmy Stewart caught Rev. Hambrick abusing himself in the church bathroom. With a firestorm of protests, Rev. Hambrick refused to step down, defying anyone to actually demonstrate one passage of scripture that condemned masturbation. Of course, you couldn’t find one, but everybody knows that masturbation is wrong.

Your church voted 112-7 to expel Rev. Hambrick and fire him from his position. As he left the parking lot, you threw stones at him, in recognition of the penalty that adulterers receive in the Bible. His blue Buick was tore up something awful.

The ballot was secret, but you began to wonder who those seven people were? Have seven…liberals…infiltrated your community? Is it not enough that they continue to harangue that God-fearing President that we have, and bad enough they allied themselves with Satan in order to wrest control of Congress away from good Conservative Americans, but they have obviously been transported here to do the devil’s work!

This week’s sign on the church says: Almost Heaven Baptist Church. An independent fundamental Bible-believing Baptist Church: We put the fun back in fundamental.

Several months later, the shock of Rev. Hambrick’s deviancy was still felt in the community, but things were appearing to head back to normal. The knowledge of those seven voters still was in the back of your head. Everywhere you looked you saw the faces of fellow townsfolk, and you wondered if that person was a false prophet and one of the seven voters.

Then the next major blow came. One of the store managers of the local IGA that was sent in to open and run the new store was caught giving…oral stimulation…to a member of the church! Male on male stimulation! Right in the back room of the IGA!

How had your community come to be associated with such a spiritually toxic affliction? You have caught two people publicly, and that church member was ousted immediately. He had to have been one of the seven voters that voted against God. With these activities occurring publicly, how much more is going on behind closed doors, in people’s homes?

Your community has begun an inquisition to discover the liberals, the godless, and most importantly, the ho-mo-sex-you-als. You need to rid your community of this devil scourge now, before it’s too late.

[Abe Sargent]

The Rules:

This game will progress in the normal manner, with days and nights, day actions being to stone someone and night actions available to some. Days will end at 9:00 pm EST and nights will end at 2:00 am EST. It is possible for nights to end early if all night actions are in, so if you want to submit a tentative night action, and submit a change later, let me know in the pm to hold off until deadline.

You vote to stone someone during a day action by bolding your vote. Night actions, if any, are pm’d to me.

There are two factions in this game. The Fightin’ Fundies are the vast majority of townsfolk – good, God-fearing Christian folk who don’t put up with no faggotry. Them Gays are the other group, a subculture of townsfolk who are liberally inclined towards sexual issues. Please note that not every member of Them Gays will necessarily be gay.

These factions are hidden and are not normally revealed by game mechanics. However, there is a second set of factions. Every town member is either a Fightin’ Fundie or wants to appear as a Fightin’ Fundie.

The game has a conservative/liberal visible grouping. All players begin the game as conservative. You all want to be thought of as conservative, no matter what faction you belong to. Why?

Only players who have been assigned a liberal status can be day stoned.

How does one get assigned a liberal status? There are several ways. In order to remain conservative, and stay away from the path of the Godless liberal:

1). You must not curse. Using a curse word in any way other than its intended definition will automatically move you to liberal. A few curse words may not even be used in their intended definition.

2). You must not take the Lord’s name in vain. Doing so in any way will automatically move you to liberal.

3). You must never talk about any sexual activity in any overt or detailed way. Doing so in any way will automatically move you to liberal.

4). The GM (me) has the right to move you to liberal over any obviously liberal statement, such as, “I believe the ACLU is right,” or, “I think we should have gun control laws.” Any such statements will obviously move a person to liberal, at the GM’s discretion.

5). There may be game mechanics that reveal any secret liberal tendencies that a person may have. All members of Them Gays automatically have a hidden tendency towards liberalism. Some members of the Fightin’ Fundies may have various eccentricities or deviancies that would qualify as a secret liberal tendency.

A list of who is conservative and who is liberal will be displayed at all times on a sign by the Church steps.



Roles will be sent Sunday. This game will begin on Sunday Night with Night 0.

[Abe Sargent]

This game has room for 20 people. I will be holding four spots temporarily for new players who might want to get on a politics meets werewolf game. As people sign up, if you are brand new, let me know, and I'll put you in one of those slots. After a few days, I will open up any spots still reserevd to the general public.

As normal for my games, I have assigned each role a name. Below are the names of your characters.


1. KWhit - Sister Thelma Snider (Female) - Killed Night Three - Fightin' Fundie
2. Tyrith - Brother William Tyler (Male) - Killed Night Five - Fightin' Fundie
3. ntndeacon - Sister Sandra Cotton (Female) - Stoned Day Six - Fightin' Fundie
4. path - Sister Mary Czinski (Female) - Killed Night Four - Fightin' Fundie
5. Blade - Brother James McKinnon (Male)
6. st.cronin - Brother Leroy Czinski (Male) - Stoned Day Three - Fightin' Fundie
7. Lathum - Brother Tanner McFlannery (Male) - Stoned Day Five - Them Gays
8. hoopsguy- Brother Elijah Shepherd (Male)
9. bulletsponge - Sister Marie O'Connolly (Female) - Killed Night Two - Fightin' Fundie
10. Chief Rum - Sister Elizabeth Shepherd (Female)
11. LoneStarGirl - Sister Martha Edwards (Female) - Stoned Day Two - Them Gays
12. ImtheCrew - Brother Roger Shepherd (Male) - Killed Night Six - Fightin' Fundie
13. DaddyTorgo - Brother Peter Czinski (Male) - Stoned Day Four - Fightin' Fundie
14. Ironhead - Brother Richard Baker (Male)

[Abe Sargent]

Tacked on the Church Door is the following sign:

The following people have been labelled as Subversive and Liberal and Unmutual:




There are no names on the list.

[Abe Sargent]

During the game, I as a GM will have to clarify various rules, tell people their language had made them visially liberal, answer questions, etc. All of these in-games posts will be in pink. End of day and night reports will not be.

[KWhit]

I'll give this one a shot.

[Tyrith]

This should be hilarious. Normally I would be concerned that the game would run amok with politicism, but I am quite confident Anxiety will keep us in line :)

In.

[ntndeacon]

well since I am off next week...I think I shall play.

[Abe Sargent]

well since I am off next week...I think I shall play.

An auspicious nickname you hvae for this game, eh? ;)

[path12]

Hel.....um, I mean Heck, yes.

[Blade6119]

i heart anxiety and his humor, im in

[st.cronin]

God told me I should sign up for this game, so here I am.

[Lathum]

in

[Ironhead]

New player here that would love to give the game a shot.

P.S. Does this qualify as coming out of the lurking closet? :D

[Abe Sargent]

New player here that would love to give the game a shot.

P.S. Does this qualify as coming out of the lurking closet? :D

Heya! Thanks for playing, and we hope you really like it!


And yes, for htis game it qualifies :)

[Barkeep49]

New player here that would love to give the game a shot.

P.S. Does this qualify as coming out of the lurking closet? :D
I'd say it does as well. Welcome to the game. I don't think I'll be playing in this one, so if you need any help don't hesitate to PM me.

[hoopsguy]

I think this could be a lot of fun.

I'm anticipating a couple of days with very limited access if I'm able to make it to the 2nd week of play. If that is a problem, then please slot me as an alternate. If not, then I'm 100% in.

[Abe Sargent]

No problem, you're in.

[bulletsponge]

ill jump in. someone has to hang early. but ill enjoy hanging some tree huggin hippies on the way

[Lathum]

so do you get labeled a liberal based solely on what you say in this thread or does any thread apply?

[Abe Sargent]

Just this thread Lathum :)

[ntndeacon]

An auspicious nickname you hvae for this game, eh? ;)

indeed. let the faithful rejoice!

[Lathum]

Just this thread Lathum :)

whew, not sure I can censor myself...:D

[Chief Rum]

In before the lock! I mean in, just in. :D

[LoneStarGirl]

Spring break starts tomorrow! I am in!

[ImTheCrew]

in

[LoneStarGirl]

I see Peregrine lurking. He needs to play!

[DaddyTorgo]

alright. I'm in

[Poli]

Yeah, sorry, I see myself being way too busy this week trying to separate from the Navy. Maybe next game.

[LoneStarGirl]

we need 6 more people. Lets start advertising anxiety

[Blade6119]

Is this a 24 hour cycle or day then night? If its 24 hour, i could talk bek into playing im sure

[Abe Sargent]

Is this a 24 hour cycle or day then night? If its 24 hour, i could talk bek into playing im sure


Days will end at 9:00 pm EST and nights will end at 2:00 am EST.

[Abe Sargent]

Roles will be sent out in a short period of time

[Abe Sargent]

Please note that the genders listed in post #4 are your public genders. If you have a secret gender, then that is not listed.

Also, the names in that post are meant to explain who you have knowledge of, if you have knowledge of someone. So, if you are Betty Brewster's lab partner, and SkyDog is listed as Betty Brewster, then you know who your labpartner is.

Gender is also explicitly listed so you won;t forget. People who speak against their public gender are moved to the liberal page, so everybody knows everybody elses gender.

[bulletsponge]

Wolf checking in

[DaddyTorgo]

checking in. Nothing interesting going on here. Just a normal villager.

[DaddyTorgo]

oh and i'm married. And have a kid. I like sticking my thing into women thanks. Although i'd never stick anyone cept my wife. god might strike me down then!

[Abe Sargent]

Roles have been sent. The game, as of this post. has offically begun. We are on Night Zero, so no votes for stoning, not that anyone's on the list yet anyway. All rules for getting on the liberal list now apply.

[st.cronin]

oh and i'm married. And have a kid. I like sticking my thing into women thanks. Although i'd never stick anyone cept my wife. god might strike me down then!

The kid is me. :cool:

[Abe Sargent]

3). You must never talk about any sexual activity in any overt or detailed way. Doing so in any way will automatically move you to liberal.




BTW DT, had you posted what you just did after I had made my post, I would have tossed you onto the Liberal List, as per this rule.

[Ironhead]

Brother Richard Baker checking in.

[Tyrith]

Brother William is ready to cleanse us from the gay pestilence!

[Blade6119]

VOTE BULLETSPONGE

If god saw fit to make him tell us the truth, i see no reason to question gods will. It is clear the lord wills his death, and as a servant of the almighty i must do my part to bring about his wrath

[hoopsguy]

Praise be to God, our church, and our community. Except for them gays, who face eternal damnation and are a blight upon this earth.

[ImTheCrew]

I HATE DEM GAYS!! so ill

VOTE TYRITH

[Blade6119]

Ok, i just read...its night 0, so i cant vote...so i retract my statement.

Sometimes my eagerness to fulfill the lords wishes gets the better of me...ill make sure to be patient and time his wrath properly

[DaddyTorgo]

lol. Good thing I didn't then anxiety. I had forgotten about that rule. Guess I should go back and re-read them.

hey cronin...it's past your bedtime!

[st.cronin]

lol. Good thing I didn't then anxiety. I had forgotten about that rule. Guess I should go back and re-read them.

hey cronin...it's past your bedtime!

I'm on mountain time, dood.

[bulletsponge]

VOTE BULLETSPONGE

If god saw fit to make him tell us the truth, i see no reason to question gods will. It is clear the lord wills his death, and as a servant of the almighty i must do my part to bring about his wrath

Trying to get me stoned already huh! your just pissed because i wouldnt put out on that one date we had years ago!

[Tyrith]

Is an inability to read the mod's posts or justify your vote in any way grounds for being labeled a crazy liberal?

[Blade6119]

Trying to get me stoned already huh! your just pissed because i wouldnt put out on that one date we had years ago!

Im sorry, but your lies are astounding. To even hint that one of my obvious piety and rightousness would consider pre-marital sex is down right offensive. Such beliefs you hold about sex out of wedlock will quickly find you meeting the mighty savior for your retribution liberal!!!!

[bulletsponge]

Im sorry, but your lies are astounding. To even hint that one of my obvious piety and rightousness would consider pre-marital sex is down right offensive. Such beliefs you hold about sex out of wedlock will quickly find you meeting the mighty savior for your retribution liberal!!!!

Hold on right there buddy! you told me at the time a BJ didnt count as sex, but i refused because i am no harlot. shame on you http://www.smiley-town.de/smiley.php?bild=RW5nZWwvMDIyLmdpZg==

[Abe Sargent]

Is an inability to read the mod's posts or justify your vote in any way grounds for being labeled a crazy liberal?

Not yet. ;)

[ntndeacon]

I am just around practicing the piano. I have to be ready for church. I pray that we find these deviants and get them out of our church and out of our town.

[Blade6119]

Hold on right there buddy! you told me at the time a BJ didnt count as sex, but i refused because i am no harlot. shame on you http://www.smiley-town.de/smiley.php?bild=RW5nZWwvMDIyLmdpZg==

I will ask you but once, refrain from continuing to refer to sexual activities in such vulgar mannor. Sexual activity is something only to be actively pursued by couples in wedlock, and is not for the enjoyment of ones-self. It is for the purpose of procreation, and nothing else. Your obvious attempts to seduce the god loving community for the devilish practices you have in mind will be dealt with quickly and sternly, worry not.

[bulletsponge]

I will ask you but once, refrain from continuing to refer to sexual activities in such vulgar mannor. Sexual activity is something only to be actively pursued by couples in wedlock, and is not for the enjoyment of ones-self. It is for the purpose of procreation, and nothing else. Your obvious attempts to seduce the god loving community for the devilish practices you have in mind will be dealt with quickly and sternly, worry not.

well since i am a lady i will not speak of this ugliness again. now if you will excuse me im off to the curch to pray i forget this unfortuante incident. good day http://www.smiley-town.de/smiley.php?bild=RW5nZWwvMDAzLmdpZg==

[Abe Sargent]

Almost Heaven will no longer put up with it. Yesterday you found that man doing devil things to that other man. Today you will take action. You awake refreshed and recharged with the holy anger filling your souls.

You will ferret out those deviants. Them, and anyone who stands with them, will go down. You will make sure of it!

Day One has begun. It ends at 9 pm EST Monday night.

[Abe Sargent]

Roles have been sent. The game, as of this post. has offically begun. We are on Night Zero, so no votes for stoning, not that anyone's on the list yet anyway. All rules for getting on the liberal list now apply.


Please remember that you may not cast a stone if a person is NOT on the liberal list. That would be assault and battery and would likely get you on the list as a felony.

[st.cronin]

The only people we can vote for are "liberals," right?

[st.cronin]

I'm a little unclear on what we're supposed to do, to be honest. Nobody is officially a "liberal" yet, so I think we don't get to vote for anybody.

[Blade6119]

Not yet it appears, which is odd...but im sure anxiety will give us someone soon

[Chief Rum]

hoopsguy, were pride not a sin, I would say you have done your mother proud taking up the Lord's mighty anger with the sexually immoral deviants of this world. Best you keep that up before Pa Crew takes his belt to you. You know how he is when the fervor takes him.

[DaddyTorgo]

well after what he said, bullet ought to be on the liberal list.

[st.cronin]

Strange game so far.

[ImTheCrew]

ah sorry for voting so early i missread the title and i thougth day one was over at 2am EST monday morning, and i didnt even realize that we could only vote for liberals.

so i guess UNVOTE TYRITH

[st.cronin]

Quick question - assuming that somebody does end up on the subversive liberal list today, is it imperative that we have a stoning? Or is the stoning optional?

[Blade6119]

In my own belief, if we can lynch we should...so if someone hits the block, i will be voting for the stoning.

[st.cronin]

Blade, it wasn't a strategic question, it was a question about the rules.

[Blade6119]

Im just telling you, optional or not, i will be strongly pushing for a lynch...i dont think it being optional matters...we know we can, and if we get the chance we should follow through.

[DaddyTorgo]

hi blade!

[st.cronin]

Im just telling you, optional or not, i will be strongly pushing for a lynch...i dont think it being optional matters...we know we can, and if we get the chance we should follow through.

Even if only one name ends up on the subversive list, for reasons unpublished?

So, hypothetically speaking, Anxiety comes back and adds one name to the subversive list, and doesn't explain why. You would be for stoning that person?

[st.cronin]

dola

I'm trying to figure out the benefit of that strategy.

[Blade6119]

Even if only one name ends up on the subversive list, for reasons unpublished?

So, hypothetically speaking, Anxiety comes back and adds one name to the subversive list, and doesn't explain why. You would be for stoning that person?

Yes...especially then...all the wolves, and only some of the good players have secret liberal tendencies. If some mechanic reveals one of these players as liberal, i think we have a better chance of them being evil then normal. That may come back and screw me later, but thats my belief. It is gods will so to say :)

[Blade6119]

HI DT!!

[st.cronin]

Yes...especially then...all the wolves, and only some of the good players have secret liberal tendencies. If some mechanic reveals one of these players as liberal, i think we have a better chance of them being evil then normal. That may come back and screw me later, but thats my belief. It is gods will so to say :)

And with this post I feel 99% sure that you are a wolf.

I'm dead serious, everybody. Some of you I'm sure will know what I see.

[Blade6119]

Cronin, are you on crack? Im telling you my firm belief of how we beat the wolves, and you think im one of them? Care to elaborate so i can point out your mistakes?

[Blade6119]

By the way, wrong or not you have earned some trust from me. Either you learned from mafia or are good...in the past, whenever you are evil you avoid confronting me...the fact you dont hesitate here makes me happy. Now i just need to turn you in the right direction, as going after me is not smart.

[st.cronin]

Cronin, are you on crack? Im telling you my firm belief of how we beat the wolves, and you think im one of them? Care to elaborate so i can point out your mistakes?

Examine your assumptions.

[Blade6119]

My assumptions are that players revealed to be liberal through game mechanics, and not something they say in thread, have a good chance of being evil. Whats wrong about that?

[st.cronin]

My assumptions are that players revealed to be liberal through game mechanics, and not something they say in thread, have a good chance of being evil. Whats wrong about that?

There's no way Anxiety makes it that easy for us, and only a wolf would WANT to jump on that kind of logic. A red-blooded God-fearing patriotic American would realize there's more to it than that.

Also, what makes you think that you will know why somebody is on the list (game mechanics vs. something said in thread)? The hypothetical I gave you was that you don't KNOW why they are on the list.

[Abe Sargent]

Quick question - assuming that somebody does end up on the subversive liberal list today, is it imperative that we have a stoning? Or is the stoning optional?

You may always choose not to stone by not voting. There is no punishment for discretion.

[DaddyTorgo]

oooh fun. Day one drama

[st.cronin]

This may be moot because of no list, but

STONE NOBODY

[Blade6119]

Because it is my understanding that any liberals exposed by comments in thread will be pointed out by the moderator(much like anxiety pointed out DTs comment just as the game started).

When i say game mechanics, i mean i believe we have a role that can search for liberal tendencies, likely on top of an actual seer. So if he finds one, we find out by the note on the door. And then we should follow through. I dont think anxiety will hand us a thing, but my idea of how mechanics might work doesnt rely upon him to do so.

Anxiety is severely handicapping us in only letting us lynch people who have been revealed liberal. If you dont think he gave us some things to even the balance, im suprised.

[DaddyTorgo]

I think this would only be relevent if we knew WHY people ended up on the subversive list. If it was cuz of secret liberal tendencies then we could make the mathematical argument they were more likely to be wolves. But if it's because of in-game mechanics (like what bullet or I said...although mine was before game-start luckily) then it could just be a case of being stupid and not reading the rules.

[Blade6119]

And voting to no lynch is like saying "hi, im gay." What a waste

[st.cronin]

Because it is my understanding that any liberals exposed by comments in thread will be pointed out by the moderator(much like anxiety pointed out DTs comment just as the game started).

When i say game mechanics, i mean i believe we have a role that can search for liberal tendencies, likely on top of an actual seer. So if he finds one, we find out by the note on the door. And then we should follow through. I dont think anxiety will hand us a thing, but my idea of how mechanics might work doesnt rely upon him to do so.

Anxiety is severely handicapping us in only letting us lynch people who have been revealed liberal. If you dont think he gave us some things to even the balance, im suprised.

Well I will be shocked if within a few days the entire roster of players is not on the list.

[Blade6119]

You just keep digging your own grave...in not so many words you just told us your a liberal(if you believe most people will be on the list, you obviously believe you will be soon). I hope you get checked out soon, because you just keep making off comments. I had the impression very few villagers(less then half) have the liberal tendency, so your beliefs just dont work with me

[Blade6119]

And if i wanted to be stubborn, i could say only a tree-hugging liberal would not want to stone a possible sinner...but thats more role-playing then fact

[st.cronin]

You just keep digging your own grave...in not so many words you just told us your a liberal(if you believe most people will be on the list, you obviously believe you will be soon). I hope you get checked out soon, because you just keep making off comments. I had the impression very few villagers(less then half) have the liberal tendency, so your beliefs just dont work with me

Not a liberal ... just more aware of some game mechanics than you.

[Blade6119]

Care to share the intimate knowledge of the game you claim to have?

[path12]

lol. Good thing I didn't then anxiety. I had forgotten about that rule. Guess I should go back and re-read them.

hey cronin...it's past your bedtime!

Family, let us all pray. Let us pray for the wisdom to find the heathens and stone them to death. Also, let us pray that Sister Mary can find an acceptable combination of motherboard/cpu/memory/video card soon, so that she can participate at a time other than work. Preferably not more than $500 total. Amen.

[st.cronin]

:rolleyes: Care to share the intimate knowledge of the game you claim to have?

Now you want me to give up my role? :rolleyes:

[Blade6119]

Your the one offering up info about you role....ill make you a deal, ill give you mine if you give me yours.

I didnt expect you to reveal..just testing you. Your dangling reasons for us not to lynch you, but giving no substance...thats fine for now, but in time i will force the issue. But do not look at me weird, your the one tossing out hints

[st.cronin]

Your the one offering up info about you role....ill make you a deal, ill give you mine if you give me yours.

I didnt expect you to reveal..just testing you. Your dangling reasons for us not to lynch you, but giving no substance...thats fine for now, but in time i will force the issue. But do not look at me weird, your the one tossing out hints

I'm not on the block, the hints I've given out have nothing to do with trying to convince people not to lynch me.

[Blade6119]

No one is on the block, but you and i are the only ones talking/arguing. We are also the only two to call the other something(you called me a wolf, i called you a liberal). So yes, we are both on the block relative to everyone else...

May the gospels sing a song to save your liberal soul my friend

[path12]

I'm not voting for either of you. Stop your bickering, you're both probably good. Leroy, come in the house and pray.

[path12]

Dola, I've got very limited access at nights for the record. I'll be around my normal amount during the day.

[Blade6119]

Allegiances by roles that i see...i dont know what it grants them, but id imagine something(especially since its 2 groups of 3, not random amounts). Id imagine they will also exert more effort to save their partners, even if one is unknowingly gay. Just the way ive seen people play in most WW games when given a tea, public or private.

4. path - Sister Mary Czinski (Female)
6. st.cronin -Brother Leroy Czinski (Male)
13. DaddyTorgo - Brother Peter Czinski (Male)

8. hoopsguy- Brother Elijah Shepherd (Male)
10. Chief Rum - Sister Elizabeth Shepherd (Female)
12. ImtheCrew - Brother Roger Shepherd (Male)

[Blade6119]

given a team*

[DaddyTorgo]

Awww Path...you're my beautiful wife? May the good lord cherish and enrich your soul dear...I am sure that he will provide for you a bountiful harvest so that you might be able to achieve your dreams my love.

[st.cronin]

I don't think it means much, Blade. My guess is that's more a way of organizing/limiting night actions.

[Blade6119]

Ill find out soon enough, unless someone else catches my eye

[path12]

Awww Path...you're my beautiful wife? May the good lord cherish and enrich your soul dear...I am sure that he will provide for you a bountiful harvest so that you might be able to achieve your dreams my love.

Thank you, my dear husband. I certainly do seem to be embracing my feminine side lately, thank the Lord.

[Blade6119]

So do we basically just sit around all day and wait for someone to be declared a liberal? Or like good ole times cant i just accuse someone of being one and we kill them(like the salem witch trials)

[DaddyTorgo]

Thank you, my dear husband. I certainly do seem to be embracing my feminine side lately, thank the Lord.

Our Lord works in mysterious ways, that is for certain. But we must trust in his rightousness.

[Blade6119]

Hey DT, path...anything either of you want to share about the little families we have? You seemed to indicate you knew you were cronins father, so do you have any knowledge of him?

[DaddyTorgo]

none at all. I have no knowledge beyond "you are father to this person, husband of this person"

I know that I am a fine and upstanding member of the church. I would presume that my wife and son attend with me, their absence would be a bit conspicuous

[Blade6119]

So you dont have any extra knowledge of game mechanics like your son is claiming to have? I just want to make sure i understand this point...

[bulletsponge]

just catching up. nothing to see here move along

[DaddyTorgo]

So you dont have any extra knowledge of game mechanics like your son is claiming to have? I just want to make sure i understand this point...


nope.

although (to play devil's advocate) I suppose it's possible he has a more powerful role than me, for the side of good as well. I don't know how LIKELY that is, but if anxiety used say...random.org to assign special powers after assigning "roles/families" then it could happen that my kid was the seer, or the bodyguard or whatever.

and I might catch heat for suggesting that. But I'm just raising the possibility. Right now nothing that's really gone down between cronin+you has me leaning either way.

[Blade6119]

My understanding from my own role is that our powers are strongly tied to our position within the community. My role and power relates heavily to my profession i hold. Thats why im pushing hard here, as i would assume you might know your sons job or standing in society.

I dont know if others have a similar connection in their role and their power, and dont expect anyone else to come out really. Just putting that out there for thought

[DaddyTorgo]

My understanding from my own role is that our powers are strongly tied to our position within the community. My role and power relates heavily to my profession i hold. Thats why im pushing hard here, as i would assume you might know your sons job or standing in society.

I dont know if others have a similar connection in their role and their power, and dont expect anyone else to come out really. Just putting that out there for thought


nope. I have no idea of his job or standing. For all I know he could be a kid.

[LoneStarGirl]

Drama already? Oh dear, you fellas need to calm it down and pray some more. I am very confused on what to do without a liberal list so I am going to pray that God tells me who one of them Gays are so we can cast them out from our beautiful city.

[LoneStarGirl]

And I agree that Sister Marie should be considered liberal after her comments about... about... I cannot even say that dirty word. Blasphemy is all it is! Blasphemy!

[Lathum]

I'n not really sure what we are supposed to be doing here.

Did anyone else get a role in their PM? I did but I am not sure if I am supposed to say that?

[Blade6119]

I told you i did...i got a name, what job i hold in the community, and what power comes with it.

[Chief Rum]

I am leaving to spread the Lord's word for the day. Though I have my suspicions, it seems that none of you have been outed yet, so I will need to with hold the Lord's stoning vote in me. I leave it to my husband's will to vote for me, should a candidate arise while I am gone. For now, though.

VOTE NO STONING

[path12]

So you dont have any extra knowledge of game mechanics like your son is claiming to have? I just want to make sure i understand this point...


I certainly don't, but Leroy has always been a special child, and maybe he has been chosen by the Lord to help us maintain the path to righteousness. I do not have any reason to doubt my beloved child.

[bulletsponge]

And I agree that Sister Marie should be considered liberal after her comments about... about... I cannot even say that dirty word. Blasphemy is all it is! Blasphemy!

*looks over roles* hey im Sister Marie!


*runs to wach out mouth*

[st.cronin]

So do we basically just sit around all day and wait for someone to be declared a liberal? Or like good ole times cant i just accuse someone of being one and we kill them(like the salem witch trials)

You could give it a try, see what happens.

[st.cronin]

dola

I honestly have no idea what would happen if somebody tried to "officially" accuse somebody of being subversive.

[bulletsponge]

dola

I honestly have no idea what would happen if somebody tried to "officially" accuse somebody of being subversive.

well with Blade in the game its wont be long until we see it

[ntndeacon]

Well I will be shocked if within a few days the entire roster of players is not on the list.

There will be some of the faithful that will be percieved as liberal, as Brother Anxiety pointed out in the rules. I firmly believe that at least some of our loyal Sisters and Brothers will not have any tendency to appear on that list at all.

I pray however we find these unclean people quickly. We may be able to save them then (with God's help) I hear those gay retraining camp save many of them from continuing down thier path of sin and damnation.

[hoopsguy]

Allow me to say my piece on the matters at hand today. I have no reason to suspect that I have any liberal leanings in my heart. My parents raised me with proper respect for the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Only one who has lost their way spiritually could find comfort in pleasures of the body in a manner that these fornicators have seemingly embraced.

I am not able to vouch for either of my parents. Although it would sadden me greatly to learn of any deviant activity on their part, I am not possessed with any particular knowledge of their activities. I will seek over the course of the next few weeks to protect our community and honor the Lord.

I remain a little perplexed that the list of liberals remains empty. I was of the belief that at least one, if not more, people in our community had comported themselves in a manner that would require a listing.

[Blade6119]

well with Blade in the game its wont be long until we see it
Oh, im not sure your too wrong...i just think my choices would suprise you, and everyone for that matter. But thats what i love about WW, its all smoke and mirrors

[Blade6119]

Anxiety, is there a reason Bullet was not made a liberal? He made comments that very much resembled those you warned DT of...im still wondering what it takes to get on said list if not that.

[bulletsponge]

Anxiety, is there a reason Bullet was not made a liberal? He made comments that very much resembled those you warned DT of...im still wondering what it takes to get on said list if not that.

how dare you accuse me of being a liberal!

[Abe Sargent]

Anxiety, is there a reason Bullet was not made a liberal? He made comments that very much resembled those you warned DT of...im still wondering what it takes to get on said list if not that.


I felt it was on teh line, actually just on the side of being liberal-ed. However, since it was close, and it was hte first thing all game, I would be a little lenient.

[Blade6119]

how dare you accuse me of being a liberal!

I didnt accuse you of being a liberal...trust me, you will know if i accuse you. Your not my priority now, though you are entertaining

[Blade6119]

Beargrowlz, next game..you playing...just so you know :)

[st.cronin]

How many different ways can Anxiety misspell "the"?

[Abe Sargent]

This post woud have been at 5:00 but my RHA meeting ran significantly over.


Since there is no one on the liberal list, you feel that you shouldn't waste your day. Therefore you may choose to vote someone as liberal and label them unmutual. A simple plurality of votes is needed to place someone on the list.

You are no longer able to vote for stoning today, no matter what happens over the last part of the day.

[DaddyTorgo]

oh. So no lynch tonight, but we can vote someone onto the list for tomorrow.

I don't know who i'd like to see up there...

[Ironhead]

At this point there are is less than 3 hours to add a name to the list. If I learned anything from reading past threads the most dangerous thing for the villagers is to lose a day without any information/voting patterns coming out of it.

As a firm believer in God and the sanctity of the family I feel it would be morally wrong at this time to place any member of the two families on the liberal list. That leaves me with seven other possible names:

Females
ntndeacon
LoneStarGirl
bulletsponge
Kwhit

Males
Lathum
Blade
Tyrith

Given that to this point only men have been found guilty of these acts against God and our community I feel that is the best place to start. Blade is at least posting and active at this point, and Lathum is an experienced player that could prove to help our community in the future. In the hopes of getting some discussion going I will:

VOTE TYRITH

[path12]

Therefore you may choose to vote someone as liberal and label them unmutual.

Label them unmutual? I don't get it. Back to the rules.....

[Blade6119]

VOTE CHIEFRUM

Here is where i differ iron...i think at least one of the family members is a gay..therefore i see it like this

1 out of 6 for the family

1 out of 7 outside of family

1 random

So in my opinion, we have a better shot looking in the families then out. Chief is a good player, but has been very quiet so far. The first family(cronin, path, and DT) have all been active in posting. The other, not soo much...hoops stated he would be quiet for a day or two though, so its chief or ITC. Of those 2, chief scares me more.

[Tyrith]

The family line seems highly suspicious. The fact that some of us have the gift of singleness, as Saint Paul wished for us all to have, is not a reason for me to be labeled with such contempt. Alas, perhaps you have fallen into heathen ways?

Realistically, for the time being, I'm fairly clueless, so I'm going to reciprocate the vote given to me for lack of better options.

VOTE IRONHEAD

[Abe Sargent]

Label them unmutual? I don't get it. Back to the rules.....


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Change_of_Mind

[Ironhead]

VOTE CHIEFRUM

Here is where i differ iron...i think at least one of the family members is a gay..therefore i see it like this

1 out of 6 for the family

1 out of 7 outside of family

1 random

So in my opinion, we have a better shot looking in the families then out. Chief is a good player, but has been very quiet so far. The first family(cronin, path, and DT) have all been active in posting. The other, not soo much...hoops stated he would be quiet for a day or two though, so its chief or ITC. Of those 2, chief scares me more.

I too agree that there will likely be at least 1 member of Them Gays in the family. Anxiety's line about "stated genders" made me think that one of the spouses might be concealing their true self. But by simply looking at your own stated odds, we either have a 1 in 6 chance (16.7%) of getting a wolf by going after the family group or a 2 in 8 chance (25%) by going after the other grouping. I know that I am pure of these acts against God and ourcommunity, which increases the chances for that grouping to a 2 in 7 (28.5%) chance. Or I could just be confused since this is a strange game so far and my first Werewolf experience to boot. lol

[Tyrith]

No, Ironhead, the random would come from either group in the "random" case.

[Blade6119]

yes iron...this is prob. the most confused ive ever been in WW...dont be discouraged

[hoopsguy]

hoops stated he would be quiet for a day or two though

/ooc That is actually for next week. I was anticipating being available and active this week but had a client emergency today that severely curtailed my access. I'm hoping that won't be an issue going forward.

While the "family" argument would be convenient for me today (seeing as I'm a member of one) I don't think it is the proper filter for locating the miscreants in our town.

[DaddyTorgo]

hmmm. I don't have any brilliant thoughts about family vs. single people. no one has really...grabbed my attention yet. Prolly cuz this is one strange game of WW.

[hoopsguy]

That said, I'm in the same boat as everyone else in not really knowing where we can begin our hunt for sinners.

Given that we began with a Night 0, I'm going to conclude that some people had the ability to complete an initial action. Instinctively, I think that would probably include some gays looking for partners to convert to their perverted lifestyle.

I'm hoping that some of those who hold God in their hearts also were able to initiate actions to cleanse our community but the complete lack of direction provided up to this point makes this seem unlikely.

[Ironhead]

That said, I'm in the same boat as everyone else in not really knowing where we can begin our hunt for sinners.

Given that we began with a Night 0, I'm going to conclude that some people had the ability to complete an initial action. Instinctively, I think that would probably include some gays looking for partners to convert to their perverted lifestyle.

I'm hoping that some of those who hold God in their hearts also were able to initiate actions to cleanse our community but the complete lack of direction provided up to this point makes this seem unlikely.

What concerns me is that we know the normal rules for day lynching have changed. What about night kills? Unless night actions provide valuable information to the village and no wolfs slip up during the daytime then there might only be a lynching during every two day phases. If night kills have not changed then that would give a serious advantage to the wolfs.

[Ironhead]

Ugh...no editing is going to drive me to drinking. I cannot believe I just typed "wolfs" and not "wolves". Proofreading is not my friend.

[DaddyTorgo]

well that and I can't stop playing OOTP. Trying to figure out why smokey joe wood + walter johnson have both become busts according to the scouts but are still pitching strong.

[hoopsguy]

I'm willing to change this vote if a real reason emerges to do so. But it is just about random at this point. I sense the capacity for evil and godlessness in this man, who is the self-described "Worlds greatest wolf".

VOTE (Brother Tanner McFlannery) LATHUM

[bulletsponge]

Ugh...no editing is going to drive me to drinking. I cannot believe I just typed "wolfs" and not "wolves". Proofreading is not my friend.

hmmm misspelling. did you miss sunday school?

[st.cronin]

VOTE BLADE

[st.cronin]

hmmm misspelling. did you miss sunday school?

What sunday school teaches SPELLING????

[Abe Sargent]

And that is time

[Abe Sargent]

At tonight's business meeting after dinner, the chair brings up the point of what to do about your community. Since the events of yesterday are fresh in your mind, you realize that you need to do something.

However, whoever Them Gays are, they aren't making it easy on you. Your investigations and questionings begin, but all day long, no one flinched and no names were written on the sign.

Therefore, the chair asks for nominations from the floor. After a few moments, one of you meekly raises a hand and nominates a name. The chair asks for a second, but no second is heard. The nomination dies. Another nomination is submitted, and again dies for no second. This happene severla times.

Sure you would all like to nominate and vote for someone to be placed on teh liberal board in order to guarantee you a choice for tomorrow, but actually selecting one of your friends and neighbors is tough.

As a result, no one is seconded, no one has a plurality of votes, every nomination ends at one perpson, and no names are written on teh board.

You are not dismayed, however, for the Lord provides. Somehow, you know a name will be there in the moning.



Day One has Ended. Night One has Begun and will end at 2:00 am est Tuesday.

[Abe Sargent]

Those of you with night actions, please remembver this rule:

"It is possible for nights to end early if all night actions are in, so if you want to submit a tentative night action, and want to submit a change later, let me know in the pm to hold off until deadline. Otherwise, I will assume that once you've sent in your pm, you are good to go."

I added a line for clarification.

[LoneStarGirl]

I thought because nobody was liberal we wouldn't have a chance to stone anyone, which is why i haven't gotten on before now

[path12]

Does anyone expect there to be a name on liberal list tomorrow morning? Or was our good Brother Abe merely providing flavor?

[Blade6119]

I expect there to be, but ive stated all along i thought we had both roles and mechanics to put people on the list.

I think cronin is funny as hell, if only for being sooo utterly wrong about me

[path12]

Rereading the rules, it kind of looks to me that there aren't night kills -- maybe them gays can only put God-fearing folks on the list instead of stoning them at night.

[Blade6119]

Or they can try and covert people, with only a few players who have liberal tendencies able to actually be turned

[bulletsponge]

maybe i should read the rules to find out whats happening

[Abe Sargent]

The dawn arises and bring sith it new light, new sounds, new scents, and new life. You are glad that God has given you another day. You did not die before you waked, and you still have your soul.

Joy of living fills your every pore.

You get ready for a new day, brush your teeth, bathe, make or eat breakfast and coffee, and move out of your houses into your respective jobs around the community. Some of you are laborers, while others perform more service oriented tasks.

It is a beautiful day.

Your breakfast gives your body the same sustenance that God gives your soul. Everyone is accounted for. You arrived at the church for morning prayer throughout the morning at various times. As each of you arrive, you see no new names on the sign.

Has the darkness left your fair town? There have been no actions for two days now in any direction.

What happens next?




Night One has ended. Day Two has begun and will end at 9 pm EST Tuesday evening.

[Lathum]

SO I guess we wait.

[Lathum]

I always assume when there is no night kill there was a BG block or a conversion.

I am guessing we won't find out either way. If the BG type role is a new player don't reveal unless you were able to ID the attacker.

IS there even a BG role?

[hoopsguy]

I'm not really sure how to proceed today. I would prefer to have some kind of voting records at the very least, but with both Night 0 and Night 1 having completed my choice is to wait for any evidence to materialize.

If that isn't forthcoming, then I'll make an educated guess (hopefully better than random) this afternoon.

[st.cronin]

I've got nothin'.

[st.cronin]

dola

Its somewhat noteworthy that nobody was willing to second any of the votes.

[KWhit]

Sister Thelma Snider here. I think it's a travesty that we have ... them ... (I can't even say the dispicable word)... in our town. In occurs to me that there are 6 of them among us. I say that based on this information:

Then the next major blow came. One of the store managers of the local IGA that was sent in to open and run the new store was caught giving…oral stimulation…to a member of the church! Male on male stimulation! Right in the back room of the IGA!

How had your community come to be associated with such a spiritually toxic affliction? You have caught two people publicly, and that church member was ousted immediately. He had to have been one of the seven voters that voted against God. With these activities occurring publicly, how much more is going on behind closed doors, in people’s homes?


So that's 6, unless, of course, they have been able to convert one of the liberal-minded deviants into their sin. In which case there could be 7 by now. But, I believe in the lord, so I hope and pray that there are only 6.

I am a proud, loyal American. And by that I mean that I am conservative to the core.

[Lathum]

6 seems kind of high. no?

[DaddyTorgo]

morning all

[DaddyTorgo]

in a 20 person game 6 would be awfully high.

for better or worse we need to get some people up there on the liberal list. even if we end up stoning a heterosexual it would at least give us some insight hopefully in the stoning records.

[hoopsguy]

I would think six is possible if the rules for the game give very limited methods for the gays to either convert or kill (every other night, maybe? have to locate each other to communicate?) during the night phases.

[path12]

I would think six is possible if the rules for the game give very limited methods for the gays to either convert or kill (every other night, maybe? have to locate each other to communicate?) during the night phases.

I think that makes sense. In a community such as ours, them gays cannot outwardly advertise their sick perversions, so it does figure that they may have to find ways to find each other in order to communicate. Probably through some liberal kind of meetup or some such nonsense.

I must say, I'm at a bit of a loss as to how to proceed here.

[DaddyTorgo]

i think we need to get some people on the liberal list, so at least we have a "stoning record" to go on...otherwise we just sit around and wait for them to convert everyone with a liberal leaning (if they in fact can) and then we're outnmbered and the perversion take us all!

now i doubt if anyone who volunteers to go on the list will be evil, but it might give us an insight via the voting records?

in that sense, since i know i'm good and i have no great powers, i volunteer myself?

*shrug*

[LoneStarGirl]

How do we put people on the stoning list brother?

[hoopsguy]

Well, I imagine we could do it the way that Anxiety mentioned yesterday - cast votes for liberals instead of for stoning. I don't believe he has officially said that we can do this again today, but if he allowed us to "not waste a day yesterday" by voting for a liberal, I would guess the same rule is in play again.

As far as self-nominating (suggested by DaddyTorgo), I'm not willing to go that far. I know that is a bad vote now, and have no reason to believe I have any kind of suppressed liberal leanings. Furthermore, I would like to believe I have some value to the faithful as the game progresses.

[path12]

i think we need to get some people on the liberal list, so at least we have a "stoning record" to go on...otherwise we just sit around and wait for them to convert everyone with a liberal leaning (if they in fact can) and then we're outnmbered and the perversion take us all!

now i doubt if anyone who volunteers to go on the list will be evil, but it might give us an insight via the voting records?

in that sense, since i know i'm good and i have no great powers, i volunteer myself?

*shrug*

Husband, what would little Leroy and I do if you were stoned to death? You would not condemn me to abandon my family duties to work outside the home would you? I beseech you, please do not sacrifice yourself -- your family needs you, and where would any of us be without family and the Lord's guidance?

[Chief Rum]

The Lord worked six days on end creating our beautiful if sinful world. So I should not quake at the thought of working away most of mine. But I am about to leave on another day's hard work. So I must do my voting now.

It is for God to judge us in the end, but we are asked to judge now. And I think judging for no reason is rather hasty and liberal-minded. So...

VOTE ST CRONIN

...for not giving us a reason for his Blade vote. I know there are those types in this town. Let's see if we can root them out.

[st.cronin]

Uh, Chief, did you not read the thread? I did give reasons for voting for Blade.

[Abe Sargent]

Well, I imagine we could do it the way that Anxiety mentioned yesterday - cast votes for liberals instead of for stoning. I don't believe he has officially said that we can do this again today, but if he allowed us to "not waste a day yesterday" by voting for a liberal, I would guess the same rule is in play again.

As far as self-nominating (suggested by DaddyTorgo), I'm not willing to go that far. I know that is a bad vote now, and have no reason to believe I have any kind of suppressed liberal leanings. Furthermore, I would like to believe I have some value to the faithful as the game progresses.


That is correct. You may continue to vote for someone to be placed on the liberal list until I tell you otherwise. To be fair, I don't believe that I was clear enough on that. Until a game mechanic puts someone on the list, you may vote to add someone there.

[ntndeacon]

Sister Marie's talk about ...vulgar things... was not what proper ladies talk about. Since I have to face the facts that our beloved Baptist Church has been overrun by those people, we must take action. If we don't dire consequences may happen, New Yorkers or dare I say it... Lutherans.

So with al that in mind I
Vote Sister Marie (bulletsponge) to the liberal list

[st.cronin]

vote Blade

[LoneStarGirl]

Sister Sandra you read my mind about Sister Marie and her dirty mouth.

[path12]

For voting my pious, humble and God-fearing son he must be one of them:

VOTE CHIEF RUM

[Blade6119]

I would think six is possible if the rules for the game give very limited methods for the gays to either convert or kill (every other night, maybe? have to locate each other to communicate?) during the night phases.

Or it is 6(or just under half) that have liberal tendencies...thats possible as well. Not just gay, but liberal(which anxiety said their would be some)

[Blade6119]

I always assume when there is no night kill there was a BG block or a conversion.

I am guessing we won't find out either way. If the BG type role is a new player don't reveal unless you were able to ID the attacker.

IS there even a BG role?
I am not of the opinion we have no night kills yet...maybe we dont, but for now im assuming like you. They just failed night 1

[Blade6119]

Ill hold off on my vote until i see if i need to cast it in self-defense, since cronin seems quite happy being ignorant

[st.cronin]

Ill hold off on my vote until i see if i need to cast it in self-defense, since cronin seems quite happy being ignorant

If you have a better idea, I'm all ears.

[Blade6119]

See, thats where its tricky...i dont have a canidate to hand you...nothing has happened yet this game, other then a bunch of missed votes. If i had to pick, id pick one of those who voted last night near the end. They all knew it was a tie, and just cast more random votes. We have no name on the list becuase of them. I dont suspect as much the missed votes, as the whole vote name onto list didnt come until late in the day.

The 4 votes last night, in order, were ironhead, me, hoops, then you.

I dont really want to vote you, and im not ready to vote iron. So if i had to vote right now, id vote hoops. And i hate voting hoops early, but if it was the deadline he would recieve my vote.

Im not sure how to deal with all the missed votes(10 i think), so im simply choosing not to for now.

[st.cronin]

See, thats where its tricky...i dont have a canidate to hand you...nothing has happened yet this game, other then a bunch of missed votes. If i had to pick, id pick one of those who voted last night near the end. They all knew it was a tie, and just cast more random votes. We have no name on the list becuase of them. I dont suspect as much the missed votes, as the whole vote name onto list didnt come until late in the day.

The 4 votes last night, in order, were ironhead, me, hoops, then you.

I dont really want to vote you, and im not ready to vote iron. So if i had to vote right now, id vote hoops. And i hate voting hoops early, but if it was the deadline he would recieve my vote.

Im not sure how to deal with all the missed votes(10 i think), so im simply choosing not to for now.

Wouldn't it make more sense to vote for somebody that received a vote yesterday? The theory being that the wolves wouldn't put a second vote on their own guy, and since no second votes were placed, perhaps a wolf received a vote.

[Lathum]

Wouldn't it make more sense to vote for somebody that received a vote yesterday? The theory being that the wolves wouldn't put a second vote on their own guy, and since no second votes were placed, perhaps a wolf received a vote.

I dunno, to be fair it seemed alot of people didn't cast a vote, the whole thing came about kind of late.

FWIW I would have voted to break a tie yesterday. I am from the camp that there should be a lynch everyday.

[st.cronin]

I dunno, to be fair it seemed alot of people didn't cast a vote, the whole thing came about kind of late.

FWIW I would have voted to break a tie yesterday. I am from the camp that there should be a lynch everyday.

I agree its a long shot, but what else is there?

[hoopsguy]

I'm OK with the "late votes" idea, except that none of the votes were cast particularly late. Cronin was 50 minutes before the deadline. I do think it makes sense to look for data points, even if there doesn't appear to be much flow in this game so far.

Blade, it wouldn't be an early day of werewolf if you weren't giving me the double and triple take looks :) Like usual, I'm a good guy and you are potentially seeing something that isn't there, but if we are both around long enough I'm sure we'll sort that out.

[DaddyTorgo]

well I prolly won't be around till like 7:30. Maybe a touch earlier. So I dunno. I'll vote then, but I didn't have any strong feelings as of last-time I checked the thread, so I dunno.

sorry. I'm just not entirey...in the game right now. RL

[DaddyTorgo]

and FTR...i didn't vote last night because it was clear that nothing was going to happen. We weren't going to get to lynch anyone, and honesty I expected multiple people to end up on the liberal-list after night-actions so we'd have a choice today and didn't see any reason to put a 3rd person up there without any actual reason.

[st.cronin]

and FTR...i didn't vote last night because it was clear that nothing was going to happen. We weren't going to get to lynch anyone, and honesty I expected multiple people to end up on the liberal-list after night-actions so we'd have a choice today and didn't see any reason to put a 3rd person up there without any actual reason.

A 3rd person?

[Tyrith]

I'm not getting involved in another early blade/cronin fight at the moment. I'm still too clueless to get engaged in a fight between heavyweights. I'm going to cast a second vote, because I want someone on the list, and Rum, sorry my friend, you are the best choice right now.

VOTE CHIEF RUM

[bulletsponge]

well its all wild guess owrk so far, so ill jump in with the same

Vite DaddyTorgo

[bulletsponge]

dola that was supposed to say Vote

[Blade6119]

I'm OK with the "late votes" idea, except that none of the votes were cast particularly late. Cronin was 50 minutes before the deadline. I do think it makes sense to look for data points, even if there doesn't appear to be much flow in this game so far.

Blade, it wouldn't be an early day of werewolf if you weren't giving me the double and triple take looks :) Like usual, I'm a good guy and you are potentially seeing something that isn't there, but if we are both around long enough I'm sure we'll sort that out.

Hoops...you always claim im always after you...i havent voted for you early in like 10 games. I actually go out of my way not to vote for you early, for much of the same reason you talked about with me regarding your strat when evil.

[LoneStarGirl]

I still have no idea who to vote for and we have less than two hours left. anybody with a vote count?

[st.cronin]

2 - Chief Rum - path12 (185), Tyrith (198)
1 - st.cronin - Chief Rum (179)
1 - bulletsponge - ntndeacon (182)
1 - Blade - st.cronin (183)
1 - DaddyTorgo - bulletsponge (199)

[LoneStarGirl]

Tyrith, any reason for being the second vote on Chief Rum?

[LoneStarGirl]

okay, well if there is anything i learned in the past couple of days is that NTN is a hell of a bad guy. so my initial vote goes to him

vote ntndeacon

But if i am on in the next two hours and can prevent a tie, I will do so.

[Tyrith]

LSG, the sake of getting a second vote and not getting involved in blade/cronin.

[hoopsguy]

Hoops...you always claim im always after you...i havent voted for you early in like 10 games. I actually go out of my way not to vote for you early, for much of the same reason you talked about with me regarding your strat when evil.

I recognize that you don't cast early votes on me often, but I'm sure if I went back looking at games that I'll find a number of "I suspect Hoopsguy" posts based on overly elaborate conspiracy theories. Which normally are not true ...

[st.cronin]

I recognize that you don't cast early votes on me often, but I'm sure if I went back looking at games that I'll find a number of "I suspect Hoopsguy" posts based on overly elaborate conspiracy theories. Which normally are not true ...

I wouldn't say you're unique in that regard.

[hoopsguy]

Probably not, Cronin.

So, with a little more than an hour left before the deadline I'll get a vote out there. There are six people with votes already at this point, so I'll stick to that list to see if we can create some kind of meaningful voting patterns. Back with vote after checking a couple of Day 1 posts ...

[hoopsguy]

Yes...especially then...all the wolves, and only some of the good players have secret liberal tendencies. If some mechanic reveals one of these players as liberal, i think we have a better chance of them being evil then normal. That may come back and screw me later, but thats my belief. It is gods will so to say :)

And with this post I feel 99% sure that you are a wolf.

I'm dead serious, everybody. Some of you I'm sure will know what I see.

Cronin, do you want to come back around on this idea at this time? Because I didn't quite follow you at the time and I haven't seen anything since that helps me go where you were leading with this point.

[Blade6119]

Id actually take challenge to that hoops, looking over the last 5-6 games we have played together. Im not looking for a argument here, just saying i think a lot of people hold beliefs about me i dont feel are based in fact. I used to play you like that, a fair amount of time ago...i dont think i have for some time though.

And cronin, i saw 2 of the 6 for you where i did that..and one of them you were evil. So im not exactly big bad wolf(here im saying i trust you while you call me a wolf)

[st.cronin]

I'm not a fan of voting bullet, if that means anything to anybody. Does anybody actually think he's a subversive, or is the temptation to vote for him come strictly from roleplay?

[Blade6119]

Cronin, do you want to come back around on this idea at this time? Because I didn't quite follow you at the time and I haven't seen anything since that helps me go where you were leading with this point.

I know what he sees, and i put it out there on purpose...he has to ask himself if he think i would do that if evil. I dont think anyone would, but then again most people think im crazy and out to get everyone so maybe

[Blade6119]

I will not vote bullet...i wanted him marked liberal, becuase he deserved it...but i think hes good

[Ironhead]

Not much to go on at this point - it feels like we are still stuck on Day 1. The only thing I could really come up with was one person has been almost invisible so far, and that is ImtheCrew. Might just be scheduling, but I think the more people we can get active the quicker we are likely to break out of this funk.

[ntndeacon]

okay, well if there is anything i learned in the past couple of days is that NTN is a hell of a bad guy. so my initial vote goes to him

vote ntndeacon

But if i am on in the next two hours and can prevent a tie, I will do so.

I am shocked, Sister. Truly I am. How could you even imagine that I would defile myself like ...THAT. I shudder at the very thought. I pray for you sister, that you come to your senses.

[st.cronin]

Cronin, do you want to come back around on this idea at this time? Because I didn't quite follow you at the time and I haven't seen anything since that helps me go where you were leading with this point.

Let's just say that the "99% positive" is hyperbole, but even since then I have seen some red flags. Nothing I can really go into detail yet. I have a good feeling about 1 (possibly 2, depending on the assumptions I make) player, and a very bad feeling about Blade. Its entirely possible I'm wrong about Blade, though, I don't have anything concrete.

And no, I'm not the seer.

[hoopsguy]

Blade, I'll rephrase - I think I know where Cronin was heading with that and he has backed it with votes for you on back-to-back days. But I wanted to see him put it out there a little more directly if he feels strongly enough to push for getting you listed today.

Now, why would you put that out there on purpose? And do you have some knowledge to back up your statement or is it speculation?

Where Tyrith said he wanted to avoid the matchup between you guys, I would rather explore it without any better options at the moment.

[DaddyTorgo]

in my last post, the "3rd person" thing I was referring to was if we ended up with two other people on the liberal list or that were drawing votes, I didn't see why a third who was likely good would make any difference.

I really have little to no idea of who to vote for here. But i'm uncomfortable voting for CR given his usual D1 work schedule so I won't be doing that, even in the interest of self-preservation.

i've got nothin really.

[Blade6119]

Hoops, im not sure which statement exactly your referring to...but in regards to what i was talking about i put it out there to ensure the village has all the information possible that can do it good. If there is info that is best kept secret for now, ill hold it...if there is info that is best in the open, i reveal it. I said what i felt was necessary to be said at the time, and will maintain that policy throughout

[ntndeacon]

I will not vote bullet...i wanted him marked liberal, becuase he deserved it...but i think hes good

I understand that position, Blade. And you are probably right. But if we as a group have any tendencies in recent games, one of them would not to punish early transgressors and to give them a higher benifit of the doubt than they probably deserve. Am I dead set on bullet being a gay? not really, but I am not ready to give her a clear pass today either. Then we are asking a wolf to take advantage of that idea and "make a mistake" in day one thereby clearing themselves.

[Abe Sargent]

okay, well if there is anything i learned in the past couple of days is that NTN is a hell of a bad guy. so my initial vote goes to him

vote ntndeacon

But if i am on in the next two hours and can prevent a tie, I will do so.


LoneStarGirl has been moved to the liberal list



EDIT: Forgot to pink up my post

[hoopsguy]

DaddyT, that explanation still doesn't make sense to me. Going into last night I had zero idea about how many people might end up on the Liberal List, and I would expect the same to be true for the majority of the good folks in our town.

I'm expecting that someone who finds their way on the Liberal List has a reasonably good chance of being a "seer" scan this evening. So I don't think putting a vote on someone is a quick path to stoning for a true believer in our Lord and Savior.

[st.cronin]

DaddyT, that explanation still doesn't make sense to me. Going into last night I had zero idea about how many people might end up on the Liberal List, and I would expect the same to be true for the majority of the good folks in our town.

I'm expecting that someone who finds their way on the Liberal List has a reasonably good chance of being a "seer" scan this evening. So I don't think putting a vote on someone is a quick path to stoning for a true believer in our Lord and Savior.

I think you and I see things in much the same way.

[hoopsguy]

Blade, do you still feel strongly about voting to stone the first person on the liberal list now that it is actually updated?

[st.cronin]

I'll say it right now, without something concrete, I'm not willing to stone LoneStarGirl. I will not even consider it.

[hoopsguy]

Cronin, would you be willing to consider stoning someone who appears on the list for reasons unknown overnight? Just trying to see what people's abstract measures are for cleansing the town.

[Blade6119]

Yes, i have no problem stoning LSG...its the only way were going to get voting records up and going. If i understand things, we can vote to stone LSG and still put another name on the list. I see no reason not to kill lsg, do you?

[st.cronin]

Cronin, would you be willing to consider stoning someone who appears on the list for reasons unknown overnight? Just trying to see what people's abstract measures are for cleansing the town.

I would consider it; but I would assume SOMEBODY in the village would know the reason, and I would want to hear from that person.

[Blade6119]

I am sooo against that idea cronin...if we have roles doing good for us(re: exposing liberals) i see no reason they should reveal.

You and i seem to be on the exact opposite of every idea

[Abe Sargent]

Yes, i have no problem stoning LSG...its the only way were going to get voting records up and going. If i understand things, we can vote to stone LSG and still put another name on the list. I see no reason not to kill lsg, do you?


You only have one vote. Stone or put someone on the list.

[hoopsguy]

No reason not to, other than feeling bad about doing it over a fairly small slip in her post. But this is werewolf and we play the hands we are dealt.

VOTE/STONE LONESTARGIRL

[Lathum]

STONE LSG

[Tyrith]

Can we do both the stoning and the liberalizing vote today, or no, Anxiety?

[hoopsguy]

I'll stick around for another five minutes or so to hear if people have really strong thoughts on this (including Blade and Cronin, who have already staked out positions) but will be out for awhile after that.

[Lathum]

I am all for lynches early on, how else will we gain information.

[Abe Sargent]

Can we do both the stoning and the liberalizing vote today, or no, Anxiety?

You only have so many hands. Your hands can toss stoned or can cast votes.

[DaddyTorgo]

STONE LSG

i guess. I don't feel confident about it or anything, but one way or another it's progress

[hoopsguy]

I am all for lynches early on, how else will we gain information.

Well, in theory roles can discover information. And we don't have any keen insight into the capabilities of them gays to attack our community just yet.

I agree with your point on a large scale, and agree with enough specific to this game to cast the stoning vote, but I think there is room for reasonable people to disagree in this game.

[Blade6119]

Anxiety, we can only vote or stone...but will both vote counts be counted and processed. Meaning if half vote to stone one person, and the other half vote to add so and so...will both things happen?

[st.cronin]

I am all for lynches early on, how else will we gain information.

You can't seriously think lynches are the only way for us to collect information.

[Ironhead]

If it's all we have at this point and it will get the ball moving then I say we do the stoning.

VOTE STONE - LoneStarGirl

[Lathum]

You can't seriously think lynches are the only way for us to collect information.

tell me how early in the game other ways to gain information?

If we never lynch people please tell me another way to gain info unless the seer/ bodyguard/ or some other important role comes out.

Is that your goal?

[st.cronin]

Also is a vote to put somebody on the liberal list the same as voting "no stoning". Otherwise, it looks like LSG is getting stoned.

my count:

liberals
2 - Chief Rum - path12 (185), Tyrith (198)
1 - st.cronin - Chief Rum (179)
1 - bulletsponge - ntndeacon (182)
1 - Blade - st.cronin (183)
1 - DaddyTorgo - bulletsponge (199)\
1 - ntndeacon - LoneStarGirl (205)

stoners
3 - LoneStarGirl - hoopsguy (232), Lathum (233), DaddyTorgo (238), Ironhead (242)

[Blade6119]

You can't seriously think lynches are the only way for us to collect information.

Its day 2, so unless your suggesting the seer reveal already then it really is the only way. He said early in his post, and i agree with him 100%. You said your not the seer, so how else besides lynches do you suppose you will gather information?

[st.cronin]

tell me how early in the game other ways to gain information?

If we never lynch people please tell me another way to gain info unless the seer/ bodyguard/ or some other important role comes out.

Is that your goal?

I've said this in other games: no lynch > lynching a good guy. Now, this is not a universal, but I think it applies here.

It would be one thing if there was some question about LSG - as it is, she's on the list pretty much at random, and there are other players about whom there are some questions - Blade, DT, Tyrith, etc.

[Lathum]

So St. Cronin. Are you saying we shouldn't lynch LSG?

[st.cronin]

Its day 2, so unless your suggesting the seer reveal already then it really is the only way. He said early in his post, and i agree with him 100%. You said your not the seer, so how else besides lynches do you suppose you will gather information?

No, no, no, no. I seriously think you are trying to mislead the village.

[Blade6119]

What questions are there about me and tyrith? even DT?

There are questions about everyone, especially you...

[st.cronin]

So St. Cronin. Are you saying we shouldn't lynch LSG?

Yes, that is exactly what I am saying.