Werewolf XLVI - Sun And Shadow (Game Thread) - Game Over! Cultists win!

[KWhit]

Unfortunately, I'm not going to do you guys much good.

I know nothing about the other Shadow.

[Joe]

Unfortunately, I'm not going to do you guys much good.

I know nothing about the other Shadow.

No messages received from them or anything?

[Alan T]

Unfortunately, I'm not going to do you guys much good.

I know nothing about the other Shadow.

Can you tell us anything about the communication or anything you found out? Or were you completely in the dark?

[KWhit]

So what happened in the dream?


Well....

Two guys started yelling at each other. And then they pulled their penises out and compared length.

Then some guy comes in and says, "It's KWhit. Seriously!"

And then some other guy says, "100%."

And then the Scarecrow starts licking peanut butter off my chest and I rub his hair and......

Uh..... What dream?

[KWhit]

Well.. There were evidently some technical difficulties that kept me from getting any messages.

Buuuuttttt.......

There is a Yahoo Group set up that allows anonymous posts to go back and forth. I asked a bunch of questions, but never got a response back.

Turns out that was because the username Peregrine gave me didn't actually have access to the group.

I unfortunately learned of this when I just logged in a few minutes ago. So by the time it could be fixed I was cleansed (oh praise Jesus!). Or something like that.

Ooops.

[DaddyTorgo]

guys...i have a feeling what we see is what we get from Kwhit. Makes sense in terms of balance too, that we wouldn't be able to learn a ton from an ex-shadow player I would imagine.

[DaddyTorgo]

lol. And apparently kwhit was just playing with us

[KWhit]

But I can tell you that I was converted in the Ritual room, if that helps. It should narrow down the possible suspects. Maybe.

[KWhit]

lol. And apparently kwhit was just playing with us


Yeah. I was just being dumb.

It was technical difficulties. I have no idea if the shadow tried to communicate with me or not.

It was kind of confusing, because I have never used Yahoo Groups before. I was given a generic email address to use to send messages to the whole group, so I assumed that email was going to be the way we communicated. I sent out a couple of messages, but never received a return email from anyone in my shadow account that Peregrine gave me.

I just learned that I wasn't given access to the group like I was supposed to. So I don't know what I could have found out.

[KWhit]

In my communication from Peregine about being a shadow, I learned nothing beyond what we already know.

I could try to convert others, and the best strategy was up to me. I could reveal myself to the other Shadows if I wanted to, but if they were cleansed they could give my name and bring me down too.

[Mustang]

To bad he wasn't an earlier convert, he could have give another name.

[Barkeep49]

That's a neat balance mechanism to allow communication privately. Well done Peregrine.

[path12]

So worst case scenario we start tomorrow no worse than we started today with three shadow, and hopefully we get some more good info tonight. Main problem I see is that it's pretty much automatic for them to get to three (one converts 100%, two convert 50% which is also foolproof). Unless we either get some failed conversions through protections or get some items that will let us get rid of more than one a day then it's going to be hard to whittle them down.

[Swaggs]

Just got in and caught up. Well done, Brian and Schmidty.

Looking things through, my cleared (by role/know they are not Sun) list going into night 1:
--Me (substitute yourself in, if you will)
--Joe
--Hoops
--Schmidty
--Brian D
--ITC
--KWhit
--Lathum

Reasonably assuming that DT had a reason to stick up and associate himself with CR for now, that semi knocks another two guys off the list.

If I trust DT (and I will for now, since he didn't need to tie himself to someone else tonight), that leaves me looking at these folks going into tonight:
1) Mustang
3) ntndeacon
6) Barkeep49
11) Mr. Wednesday
15) Tyrith
16) Path12
17) Alan T
18) SnDvls

[Swaggs]

Anyone on my trust list want to share where you are staying tonight? :)

[hoopsguy]

I slept in the kitchen and while nothing of interest happened there I can tell you that I know that one of the potentially best roles for the good guys is not in the game.

After reviewing the published roles and magic items, I didn't see how you would have this information one way or another (without really using some imagination). Did this opinion change over the course of the day or are you standing by this?

[Joe]

Anyone on my trust list want to share where you are staying tonight? :)

Sure. I'm hiding again.

[path12]

After reviewing the published roles and magic items, I didn't see how you would have this information one way or another (without really using some imagination). Did this opinion change over the course of the day or are you standing by this?

I was wondering the same thing.

[hoopsguy]

Anyone on my trust list want to share where you are staying tonight? :)

Sure, lets see if someone wants to call my "bluff". I'm planning to sleep in the storage room. Whoever is interested can look me up there.

[BrianD]

Anyone on my trust list want to share where you are staying tonight? :)

Keep in mind that even if people do share, there is no way to know for sure where they will stay. Capacity constraints could cause a relocation.

[SnDvls]

Anyone on my trust list want to share where you are staying tonight? :)

sure same place I stayed last night

[Barkeep49]

After reviewing the published roles and magic items, I didn't see how you would have this information one way or another (without really using some imagination). Did this opinion change over the course of the day or are you standing by this?
100% accurate.

[DaddyTorgo]

well that's night action deadline

[Peregrine]

At this point I'm going to call for a replacement of ImTheCrew, he's been very inactive and has said he's tied up with other games.

[Lathum]

At this point I'm going to call for a replacement of ImTheCrew, he's been very inactive and has said he's tied up with other games.

I hate to sound negative but I think people will mentaly check out once they are cleansed

[Swaggs]

I hate to sound negative but I think people will mentaly check out once they are cleansed

That's unfortunate.

Cleansed folks can still search/dose/steal (from what I understand) and still prosecute players.

[Peregrine]

I hate to sound negative but I think people will mentaly check out once they are cleansed

Well maybe so but that's their loss, you guys have wanted a COT, they're pretty much it.

[Lathum]

I want a damn night result!!

[DaddyTorgo]

I want a damn night result!!


lol

me 2

it should be very good for us

[Mr. Wednesday]

I hate to sound negative but I think people will mentaly check out once they are cleansed

I'd hope not, they're a critical part of the game. Not least because they provide a check against the Shadow engaging in bloc voting. And as noted, they may still have an impact in terms of night actions.

[DaddyTorgo]

nothin yet hmm? i'm goin to bed. I'll report in my findings tomorrow.

[Mustang]

I'm in the Alchemy room..

[Mustang]

With Colonel Mustard and the candlestick....

[Peregrine]

The night passed peacefully, as you used your various magics and slept. As you woke up, the seer informed you all:

Today's Shadow Count is 2.

[Swaggs]

The Shadow attempted to convert me last night.

My Sun Amulet protected me.

[Schmidty]

Just got my PM.

I wasn't able to "latch onto" the shadow energies tonight.

But I'm alive, which makes me a bit consoled.

[Chief Rum]

I listed the two roles earlier that I felt had any kind of Bodyguard ability, and between the two its only 5 limited guards for the entire game. No one responded or payed attention to that post though and instead decided to make up other things that I said instead.

You mean, sorta like you did with my original posted plan?

[Chief Rum]

First, I didn't insult you in that post, second I directed it in general that no one commented on it, and evidentally ignored it since you all posted wrong information. Are you trying to stir stuff up again?

Shouldn't someone who misses a deadline because he wasn't paying attention ease up a bit on accusing others of having the wrong information?

[Chief Rum]

Final comment on the AlanT suspicion. I have no problem if you disagree with my plan. I do have a problem if you misrepresent what I say ad nauseum throughout the day. Or you drop accusations like the one about my question about the mundane roles without really explaining why that's a bad idea.

Also, the fact that because you are so certain the plan is a bad idea, I must then be a wolf. Did it ever occur to you we might just disagree on how best to serve the same goal, and that doesn't mean I am automatically a wolf?

I really feel you dropped quite too strongly on me, and on those who supported me. You just blew by DaddyTorgo, who has suggested some ability to have knowledge of people, and as much as said, I'm not the guy you should be looking at (he said it to Swaggs, but the message is there for everyone).

I'm not going to make the same mistake and assume you are Shadow because you disagree with me. In fact, I believe I have knowledge that suggests that as of last night, you are a cultist. A woefully misguided one, but a cultist nonetheless. Stop fighting me and work with me, because between the two of us, you know we can do a lot of good.

[Schmidty]

Shouldn't someone who misses a deadline because he wasn't paying attention ease up a bit on accusing others of having the wrong information?

No need to be a poo poo butt. And coming from me, that's something.

I missed a deadline too. Shit happens. Don't be an angry peepee head. :)

[Chief Rum]

No need to be a poo poo butt. And coming from me, that's something.

I missed a deadline too. Shit happens. Don't be an angry peepee head. :)

The missing of the deadline itself is no big deal to me, whether by you or him. These things happen to all of us.

What Alan did, though, was akin to missing a deadline because he wasn't paying attention, but then bitching others out because he feels they didn't pay close enough attention.

Accidents happen. That's easy to forgive. Possibly malicious hypocrisy not so much.

If that makes me a peepee head for calling him on it, then there's more to the yellow on my head then the fact I am blond.

[Schmidty]

If that makes me a peepee head for calling him on it, then there's more to the yellow on my head then the fact I am blond.

You have just changed my view of the world, I have "known" you for 6 years, and have always imagined you as the Atreyu kid.

I am crushed :(

For my own sentimental sanity, can you please say "ARTAX!!!!"?

Thanks.

[Chief Rum]

You have just changed my view of the world, I have "known" you for 6 years, and have always imagined you as the Atreyu kid.

I am crushed :(

For my own sentimental sanity, can you please say "ARTAX!!!!"?

Thanks.

lol...


ARTAX!!!!

[Chief Rum]

If it's any consolation, it is now more of a dirty blond and will only get darker on its way to a light brown.

Or maybe I'm a poopoo head.

[Joe]

anyone want to share what they found out last night? I have located the holder of the Mask of Whispers. I believe this person to be good, so I won't say who it is. But if there has been any useful communication maybe it can surface.

[Alan T]

Final comment on the AlanT suspicion. I have no problem if you disagree with my plan. I do have a problem if you misrepresent what I say ad nauseum throughout the day. Or you drop accusations like the one about my question about the mundane roles without really explaining why that's a bad idea.

Also, the fact that because you are so certain the plan is a bad idea, I must then be a wolf. Did it ever occur to you we might just disagree on how best to serve the same goal, and that doesn't mean I am automatically a wolf?

I really feel you dropped quite too strongly on me, and on those who supported me. You just blew by DaddyTorgo, who has suggested some ability to have knowledge of people, and as much as said, I'm not the guy you should be looking at (he said it to Swaggs, but the message is there for everyone).

I'm not going to make the same mistake and assume you are Shadow because you disagree with me. In fact, I believe I have knowledge that suggests that as of last night, you are a cultist. A woefully misguided one, but a cultist nonetheless. Stop fighting me and work with me, because between the two of us, you know we can do a lot of good.


Maybe its a case of you not being around to discuss the points during the day and then the pile on for in my eyes no reason of me yesterday afternoon that makes a small thing turn into something bigger. Either way, I clearly stated all of the reasons why i felt your ideas were bad, every single one of them, and I gave you the decency to have time to respond to them all (I even stated so in my post) in an effort to draw discussion. You didn't come back to respond though until almost time to leave, dropped one post criticizing me for misrepresenting all of your ideas, not really being open to discussion and then you left. Which in effect did just what you accused me of.

Then several others jump on me without good reasons, made up stories about what I was saying, told half-truths and tried to pick me apart without even touching the things that I was arguing about. That seemed really fishy, very fishy in fact.

For whatever its worth, for my night action, I didn't do anything towards you. I'm open once again today for discussion just like I was yesterday, but the one thing I won't tolerate is people jumping on for no reason. Yes I get critical of others in these games, but I never insult, I never curse and I always keep it civil and you know that. I got critical yesterday of people jumping out of the woodwork yesterday to support me (for what I can tell is no good reason), and I got critical of a few of the people who jumped out to bash me (for what I can tell no good reason). So if you're around today we can debate your ideas more if you would like. I still think though that:

A) Giving the shadow a list of who has mundane abilities to target is bad which is why I cautioned against it when you asked people who had them
B) Purposely voting good guys to cleanse when it brings the shadow closer to the goal without trying to get a hit on a shadow player is also counter-productive. We wouldn't do it in other games, we shouldn't here.

Those were the points that I made yesterday and I still haven't seen anyone give me any reason to feel otherwise. And I still don't have any clue if you are a cultist corrupted by the shadow or not.

[Alan T]

anyone want to share what they found out last night? I have located the holder of the Mask of Whispers. I believe this person to be good, so I won't say who it is. But if there has been any useful communication maybe it can surface.

I didn't learn anything new last night, I still have no items, knowledge of items or anything of the sort. My magical role ability was successful last night I was told, but I guess I don't learn the effects it might have had or what the end result was. I was told that nothing else happened last night. I chose to sleep in the Chamber of Rest, but my PM didnt say anything about it being overbooked or such, so I assume I slept there as planned.

[Alan T]

So starting the discussion of who to target today. We know that Kwhit was converted before we found him yesterday. So the 2 players corrupted by the shadow are the same 2 players that started the game corrupted by the shadow. That means that I will be avoiding players that had some night 1 allibi for today in my vote. It doesn't mean that they aren't influenced by the shadow, but mathematically they have less of a chance in my thoughts of being one.

Night 1 - We know didn't convert Kwhit:

Swaggs
Alan T
Lathum
Hoopsguy
Schmidty

In that list, Hoopsguy obviously has less trust than Lathum or Schmidty or Swaggs as he had an action performed on him vs being the enactor of an action. We also know what roles Swaggs, Schmidty and Lathum are but don't for Hoops. Either way though, Hoops was unable to do an action on night 1, thus he was not the one who converted kwhit. Just like me, it might still mean he or I are a shadow, but we know he didn't do the conversion, so its just less of a chance of him being a shadow among those that are left.

That brings the rest of the list to 1/12 chance of guessing who the person that converted on night 1 was. Today will probably be the best day we have to gain some ground on the shadow as all of our day 1 trust lists remain intact today as well with no gain in the force of the shadow.

[hoopsguy]

Swaggs:
Sun Amulet - that would suggest that you could Identify someone without using a Potion of Identify. Yet Joe seemed to imply (or may have come out and said) that you did have this item. So, when you viewed me did you do it with your role or an item? It is a fairly important note in terms of whether or not you know my role and can vouch for it later if/when I reveal it.

Also, it is pretty clear what role Joe has and if he was correct about you having a potion and can clearly identify the holder of the Mask of Whispers then I would not remotely consider him for a shadow vote today. The person with the Mask communicated with me yesterday, so I can validate a statement on the holder of this item if Joe wants to reveal this information.

[DaddyTorgo]

on the train on my way in to work but I hadta hop on and see my night action results.

as I hinted at last night a little and also early in the game...today will be a very good day. you see...I began the game with the ring of shadows. I was not allowed to use it night 1, so I used it last night after our success, hoping to shorten the game.

now afaik the ring cannot lie. it is unfortunately destroyed through its use for this purpose...but in its destruction it revealed TYRITH as Shadow.

Tyrith is our 2nd Shadow gentleman.

VOTE TYRITH
VOTE PUNISHMENT

[Alan T]

Swaggs:
Sun Amulet - that would suggest that you could Identify someone without using a Potion of Identify. Yet Joe seemed to imply (or may have come out and said) that you did have this item. So, when you viewed me did you do it with your role or an item? It is a fairly important note in terms of whether or not you know my role and can vouch for it later if/when I reveal it.

Also, it is pretty clear what role Joe has and if he was correct about you having a potion and can clearly identify the holder of the Mask of Whispers then I would not remotely consider him for a shadow vote today. The person with the Mask communicated with me yesterday, so I can validate a statement on the holder of this item if Joe wants to reveal this information.

You are right about Joe, he also should be moved to the do not lynch today list. I have an idea as well which role he has, and have it marked on my list too. As for swaggs, if he is the role I assume based on having a sun amulet, he wouldn't know if you are shadow or not, but instead if you were an agent of the sun or not.. unless I am missing something here.

[Alan T]

on the train on my way in to work but I hadta hop on and see my night action results.

as I hinted at last night a little and also early in the game...today will be a very good day. you see...I began the game with the ring of shadows. I was not allowed to use it night 1, so I used it last night after our success, hoping to shorten the game.

now afaik the ring cannot lie. it is unfortunately destroyed through its use for this purpose...but in its destruction it revealed TYRITH as Shadow.

Tyrith is our 2nd Shadow gentleman.

VOTE TYRITH
VOTE PUNISHMENT

Ahhh, I knew one of the people who hopped on me without reason yesterday had to be bad, guess I was wrong about which one!

Vote Tyrith

[DaddyTorgo]

sorry...guess this will be an open and shut day without a ton of discussion of who to vote for

[hoopsguy]

If Tyrith is in fact a Shadow then I have to play my gut more often in these games :)

VOTE TYRITH/PUNISHMENT

[hoopsguy]

You are right about Joe, he also should be moved to the do not lynch today list. I have an idea as well which role he has, and have it marked on my list too. As for swaggs, if he is the role I assume based on having a sun amulet, he wouldn't know if you are shadow or not, but instead if you were an agent of the sun or not.. unless I am missing something here.

Alan, if I'm reading the Identify item correctly he wouldn't know if I'm Shadow either way.

Scroll of Identity - This magical parchment can be read one time, to magically learn the role of one player. This will reveal both magical and mundane roles, but not whether a person is corrupted or not. Note that in the case of the Sun spies, this will reveal their TRUE role.


It would be convenient for me if he does know that I'm not Shadow, but I don't think that can be vouched for yet. The question is whether he knows my role or not. The Warlock can vouch that they put me to sleep on Night 1, so I wasn't converting people but potentially I could have been the starting Shadow (I'm not, but putting it out there for argument's sake).

[Joe]

I would reveal who has the mask of whispers so that they may absolutely clear me, though it may be stolen. I mean, I will if necessary. But with the new info

VOTE TYRITH AND PUNISHMENT

[Lathum]

Just to confirm Daddtrotgo I was also suspicous of Tyrith so I used my second hex to put him to sleep last night and there was a no kill.

VOTE TYRITH

VOTE PUNISHMENT

[Lathum]

dola- by kill I mean shadow conversion

[Alan T]

Ok, thinking about next steps some... We know Tyrith was one of the original two shadow players. I think some important questions for him will be:

1) Do you know the other shadow player
2) Were you the one who converted Kwhit on night 1.
3) Did he have a magical role as well, or start knowing which magical role he "used to be" before becoming under the influence of the shadow.

I think #2 is important as it will either help keep our field narrow depending on what happens tonight conversion wise, and #3 is important with the thought that if they did start knowing they used to be some magical role, then the everyone reveal strategy won't work. If he didn't however start with one, and having only 1 shadow player left after him, then perhaps now is a good time with only 1 left to try to look at that strategy.

[DaddyTorgo]

and just to head off what I presume will be tyrith's defense...it is way too early in the game for me to be shadow and lie like this. all I would be doing is outing myself to no end.

[Alan T]

Alan, if I'm reading the Identify item correctly he wouldn't know if I'm Shadow either way.



It would be convenient for me if he does know that I'm not Shadow, but I don't think that can be vouched for yet. The question is whether he knows my role or not. The Warlock can vouch that they put me to sleep on Night 1, so I wasn't converting people but potentially I could have been the starting Shadow (I'm not, but putting it out there for argument's sake).

Right, I'm on the same page here. I think you are saying the same thing I said earlier.

[Alan T]

Just to confirm Daddtrotgo I was also suspicous of Tyrith so I used my second hex to put him to sleep last night and there was a no kill.

VOTE TYRITH

VOTE PUNISHMENT

Just for the record, Swaggs claims there was a conversion attempt last night and he blocked it due to his role. Not saying you didn't sleep Tyrith, just saying that it appears he wasn't the one doing the converting last night.

[Alan T]

Swaggs, you don't by chance have any info on who tried to convert you last night? Or does anyone else have that type of information? If Tyrith is #2, and the person who tried to convert Swaggs last night is #3, it would be really handy if we had that information.

Also, going with this, I'll clear Barkeep of being influenced by the shadow at this point too. If Lathum slept Tyrith, and the other shadow did the conversion attempt on Swaggs last night, Barkeep couldn't have been that person. I made sure of that last night, so he is also clear now.

[DaddyTorgo]

damm lathum...if only it had led me to the oher shadow then.

I think tonight we need to be very crafty but we could very well win...if we guard as many people as possible (in rooms or by hiding) and thus minimize those who could possibly be converted to those who might have some protection from it. if that makes sense. bbiab

[Alan T]

So people that I know aren't the other original shadow thats left:

4) Joe
5) Swaggs
6) Barkeep49
8) Lathum
10) Schmidty
17) Alan T

Couldn't have done night 1 conversion, but not cleared:
12) hoopsguy

People not cleared, but assume to be good based on action:
2) BrianD
13) DaddyTorgo

(The caveat here is that either of these could have come out with a story to out the other shadow to gain trust, but this early in the game that would be risky and I feel some trust is earned as both were the first to point the finger at a shadow person)

That leaves the following list for the other original shadow player. Any way anyone can vouch for any of these people to narrow down the list?

1) Mustang
3) ntndeacon
9) Chief Rum
11) Mr. Wednesday
16) Path12
18) SnDvls

[Alan T]

Dola and if Tyrith says after being cleansed that he did not do the night 1 conversion of kwhit, that also clears Hoops on the list above.

[Lathum]

Just for the record, Swaggs claims there was a conversion attempt last night and he blocked it due to his role. Not saying you didn't sleep Tyrith, just saying that it appears he wasn't the one doing the converting last night.

what the hell does one have to do with the other?

Of course he wasn't doing the converting since I put him to sleep. IT was obviously the other one attempting the conversion, why are you even remotly questioning me?

[Lathum]

dola- Would DT have been able to use the item and convert last night?

[Alan T]

what the hell does one have to do with the other?

Of course he wasn't doing the converting since I put him to sleep. IT was obviously the other one attempting the conversion, why are you even remotly questioning me?

Lathum, take a deep breath and go back and reread what I said.

I'm not questioning you, I was saying exactly what you just said. I was making sure you saw that Swaggs say he blocked an attempt too. Your post made me think you missed that since you seemed to indicate no conversion was due to sleeping tyrith, but there was an attempt last night from the other shadow player.

[Alan T]

dola- Would DT have been able to use the item and convert last night?

Not sure, I haven't had any items the entire game, so kind of fuzzy on how they work. I'll check back through the rules to see if it says one way or another. I still think its a bit early for either brian or DT to have given up the other shadow player if they were the only other shadow left. I feel that they both earn at least some level of trust due to outing shadows.

[Lathum]

Just for the record, Swaggs claims there was a conversion attempt last night and he blocked it due to his role. Not saying you didn't sleep Tyrith, just saying that it appears he wasn't the one doing the converting last night.

your choice of words is very poor IMO. It sounds like you are questioning me.

[Alan T]

Actions available to all:

You can choose to do one of these three actions during the night, INSTEAD OF the night action given to you by your role. The only exceptions are that once per game each player can perform one of these actions in addition to another action, (ex. magical role + dose, or search + steal) and you can always dose yourself in addition to another action. (see below) All of these actions have a chance of you being seen by someone.

Note that a few roles have daytime actions or no nighttime actions (Signifier, Sorceror) and so they can take one of these actions each night.




The rules only talk about actions such as magical role vs dose, search + steal. I'm not sure if the same rules apply to other items that apply to using potions. If so, it says there is an exception of once per game a player can use an action in addition to their role. So I am guessing technically its possible.. but why would a shadow player have been given the ring of shadows, and I still don't feel he would have outed his teammate leaving him the only one left this early in the game.

[Alan T]

your choice of words is very poor IMO. It sounds like you are questioning me.


My wording was actually to try to prevent someone from jumping on me thinking I was placing doubt in you :) I was saying that I was NOT indicating you were lying at all. :)

[Lathum]

LOL, tyrith is in texas with a central time zone. IT is always nice to wake up and find out your a goner

[hoopsguy]

On the way out the door, but I believe this would come into play in terms of using an item and converting:

You can choose to do one of these three actions during the night, INSTEAD OF the night action given to you by your role. The only exceptions are that once per game each player can perform one of these actions in addition to another action, (ex. magical role + dose, or search + steal) and you can always dose yourself in addition to another action. (see below) All of these actions have a chance of you being seen by someone.

Now, I think it is pretty unlikely that someone would both use their item to bust a Shadow while creating a Shadow on Night 2 after losing a Shadow during Day 2. But if I'm reading correctly a Shadow can convert and use an item.

[Alan T]

On the way out the door, but I believe this would come into play in terms of using an item and converting:



Now, I think it is pretty unlikely that someone would both use their item to bust a Shadow while creating a Shadow on Night 2 after losing a Shadow during Day 2. But if I'm reading correctly a Shadow can convert and use an item.

Yeah, thats what I was getting at in my post above. I think we're probably best off trying to see who can vouch for the people in this list:

1) Mustang
3) ntndeacon
9) Chief Rum
11) Mr. Wednesday
16) Path12
18) SnDvls

[DaddyTorgo]

i wasn't converted though. i can tell you that. and since i did just deliver us a shadow, i think that ought to buy me some % of trust in that.

think about it this way...if i was converted i could have used the ring to find out tyrith was shadow, but why would i then come out and post as such?

my posting that he was shadow vouches for the fact i wasn't converted.

[ntndeacon]

So people that I know aren't the other original shadow thats left:

4) Joe
5) Swaggs
6) Barkeep49
8) Lathum
10) Schmidty
17) Alan T

Couldn't have done night 1 conversion, but not cleared:
12) hoopsguy

People not cleared, but assume to be good based on action:
2) BrianD
13) DaddyTorgo

(The caveat here is that either of these could have come out with a story to out the other shadow to gain trust, but this early in the game that would be risky and I feel some trust is earned as both were the first to point the finger at a shadow person)

That leaves the following list for the other original shadow player. Any way anyone can vouch for any of these people to narrow down the list?

1) Mustang
3) ntndeacon
9) Chief Rum
11) Mr. Wednesday
16) Path12
18) SnDvls

I might be able to help there. If I understand the rules correctly, that the shadow has lost thier ability to use thier magical role. Then I can vouch for Path. I have seen enough to know his role and know it is being used.

[Alan T]

i wasn't converted though. i can tell you that. and since i did just deliver us a shadow, i think that ought to buy me some % of trust in that.

think about it this way...if i was converted i could have used the ring to find out tyrith was shadow, but why would i then come out and post as such?

my posting that he was shadow vouches for the fact i wasn't converted.

There is no way you could have been converted based on the numbers. Tyrith is one of the original 2 shadow, and the other person remaining is one of the original 2 shadows.

I might be able to help there. If I understand the rules correctly, that the shadow has lost thier ability to use thier magical role. Then I can vouch for Path. I have seen enough to know his role and know it is being used.

That is my understanding as well. Its one of the questions that I have listed for Tyrith after he is cleansed, if they don't have magical roles this helps us find the last one alot. So if you have evidence of Path using his role and vouch for him, then that narrows our list further to 5 people.

[ntndeacon]

Vote Tyrith
Vote punishment

[Lathum]

I think it is important to work together today/ tonight and spread out our resources.

If the signifier can select one of the suspected players and clear him I can select a differtent player to put to sleep tonight

[Alan T]

Lathum, I have an idea I'd like to run by you. I have a role similar to yours, but not exactly the same. I can inhibit someone's role at night time as well. If we can narrow down the list to 1-2 people, can we spread out who we're going to block, so we don't end up blocking the same person tonight? Right now the list looks like:

1) Mustang
3) ntndeacon
9) Chief Rum
11) Mr. Wednesday
18) SnDvls

[Alan T]

I think it is important to work together today/ tonight and spread out our resources.

If the signifier can select one of the suspected players and clear him I can select a differtent player to put to sleep tonight

Looks like you are on the same page as me. I've hinted enough as it is. You all probably already know that I am the Theurgist and can pick one person to now allow them to use any magical abilities. (They can still use items/search/steal/etc).

[Barkeep49]

Wow. I like where we're at. We know that we only have two bad guys left and one way or another we're going to have found another by the end of tonight. DT, what room did you do this in?

Vote Tyrith
Vote Punishment

[Lathum]

Lathum, I have an idea I'd like to run by you. I have a role similar to yours, but not exactly the same. I can inhibit someone's role at night time as well. If we can narrow down the list to 1-2 people, can we spread out who we're going to block, so we don't end up blocking the same person tonight? Right now the list looks like:

1) Mustang
3) ntndeacon
9) Chief Rum
11) Mr. Wednesday
18) SnDvls

the only peoble I see is lets say I sleep person A and you sleep person B and there is no conversion then who do we gun for but it can jack our odds up pretty good

[Lathum]

dola- I slept in the kitchen last night if it matters

[Barkeep49]

Lathum, I have an idea I'd like to run by you. I have a role similar to yours, but not exactly the same. I can inhibit someone's role at night time as well. If we can narrow down the list to 1-2 people, can we spread out who we're going to block, so we don't end up blocking the same person tonight? Right now the list looks like:

1) Mustang
3) ntndeacon
9) Chief Rum
11) Mr. Wednesday
18) SnDvls
I'll take CR. Has nothing to do with my role, but I have something which can help.

[Lathum]

I'll take CR. Has nothing to do with my role, but I have something which can help.

help at night or during the day?

[Alan T]

the only peoble I see is lets say I sleep person A and you sleep person B and there is no conversion then who do we gun for but it can jack our odds up pretty good

Well my hopes would be that people with roles that can identify shadow could use the time we buy them to find our last target. I'm still hoping that today people will be able to narrow down that list further by vouching for folks on there.

[Alan T]

dola,

I guess what I am saying is at this point a conversion tonight would set us back to day 1. So its very important we go all out and try to narrow down as much as we can today and prevent conversions tonight

[KWhit]

Vote Tyrith
Vote Punishment

[Barkeep49]

help at night or during the day?
Night action. Sorry didn't make that clear.

[Lathum]

If Barkeep takes Chiefrum, I can put sndvls to sleep

[Lathum]

I have a feeling it may be quiet around here today

[SnDvls]

vote tyrith
vote punishment

hope this info helps, but I made a potion of alertness on night 1 and drank it last night. I was in the Chamber of rest (2nd night I was there) and with me was Alan (I did get some info that he was doing something) and Mr. W was in there as well. Mr. W did leave during the night.

[Alan T]

vote tyrith
vote punishment

hope this info helps, but I made a potion of alertness on night 1 and drank it last night. I was in the Chamber of rest (2nd night I was there) and with me was Alan (I did get some info that he was doing something) and Mr. W was in there as well. Mr. W did leave during the night.

So you are claiming to be the Alchemist right?

[SnDvls]

So you are claiming to be the Alchemist right?

yup

[Mustang]

Vote Tyrith

Vote Punishment

If Tyrith is a Shadow that leaves 1 left, I have a message out to Peregrine about my role before I reveal with some thoughts.




Does the Shadow blood react to heat? Maybe we could all just cut our thumbs and drain the blood into a petri dish and test it. :D

[Alan T]

1) Mustang
3) ntndeacon
9) Chief Rum
11) Mr. Wednesday - Sndvls states he left to do -something- last night.
16) Path12 - Ntndeacon vouches for
18) SnDvls - Claims to be alchemist

[BrianD]

Vote Tryith/Punishment

As hard as we all thought this game would be, it looks like we have things well in hand. I wonder what the shadow have up their sleeves to turn the tables.

[Tyrith]

LOL, tyrith is in texas with a central time zone. IT is always nice to wake up and find out your a goner

Oh, it's worse than that.

My power went out about 645 CST last night, and hasn't come back up.

So not only did I get smoked night 2...I DIDN'T EVEN GET TO TAKE A FREAKING CONVERSION ACTION ;_;

[Tyrith]

Vote Tryith/Punishment

As hard as we all thought this game would be, it looks like we have things well in hand. I wonder what the shadow have up their sleeves to turn the tables.

No offense to the good guys, but what happened today was more dumb luck via game mechanics + dumb luck via acts of God than anything else.

BTW, suck this hoops :P

VOTE HOOPSGUY

[Lathum]

umm. So maybe I should hex Mr. Wednesday instead.

[Lathum]

Oh, it's worse than that.

My power went out about 645 CST last night, and hasn't come back up.

So not only did I get smoked night 2...I DIDN'T EVEN GET TO TAKE A FREAKING CONVERSION ACTION ;_;

Well I don't think it would have mattered since I hexed you anyway.

BTW I love your defense :)

[DaddyTorgo]

in answer to "what room did i do this in"

i was sleeping in the sitting room last night. or so i submitted my action to say. not sure if i slept all night or stayed up with the ring tbh.

i didn't want to say last night because i knew what alan's role was and i knew there were others out there with similar roles and i didn't want someone coming by to hang out with me and messing it up. didn't know if peregrine would have had the ring destroyed with no effect then or what, so i had to hold that info back.

[Tyrith]

Well I don't think it would have mattered since I hexed you anyway.

BTW I love your defense :)

Not a defense, I'm fully admitting at this point I'm a bad guy. Power went out about 645, realized about 745 all the other apartments still had power, the "emergency" maintenance line never called me back, and I wasn't about to walk 6 blocks to a place I could get WiFi and charge my laptop during the middle of an evening of thunderstorms. Not to mention I was occupied with other things that I forgot about this until I went to bed :rolleyes:

[Lathum]

I was being sarcastic

[Mustang]

With seemingly 1 Shadow left, can we with hole up in the Ritual room, have the ritualistic cast & spiritmaster cast and that would seemingly protect us for 2 days to give the Augur 2 days to find the last Shadow.

Any potential in that?

[Mustang]

Although.. if the Shadow is in the room, guess that really isn't an outside action or intrusion?

[SnDvls]

can we all fit in the Ritual Room?

[Mustang]

can we all fit in the Ritual Room?

I would think so, says there are plenty of places to sleep and overflows to any room go to the ritual room so, I would think that is the default room.

[Mustang]

I reread the rules. If you don't send in a place you stay in the ritual room so, if no one sends in then we all are in the ritual room.

[DaddyTorgo]

hmmm...interesting idea mustang. not sure...i'll have to think on that.

[Lathum]

Although.. if the Shadow is in the room, guess that really isn't an outside action or intrusion?

exactly

[Alan T]

Although.. if the Shadow is in the room, guess that really isn't an outside action or intrusion?

Yeah, it says actions that occur within the room can still happen, it just causes for a higher chance of being caught.

Another issue here is our ritualist had his power stripped. So only the Spiritmaster can help protect a room, and his role states guarding against intrusions but not about what happens within the room.

I think right now, we really need to try to narrow down who our threats are. Top 3 currently are:

Mustang, Ntndeacon, Mr.Wednesday and Chief Rum in my eyes. I'm hoping people will be able to vouch for others on this list today to narrow it down further. Also another issue to contend with is if Tyrith was the one who converted Kwhit, it means Hoopsguy also could possibly be a shadow as well as his inability to do action on night 1 doesn't speak to much. So if someone can vouch for him a bit more than "he was asleep on night 1" that might be helpful too.

[KWhit]

Yes, I think we should all sleep in the ritual room tonight. It might also make sense to have everyone post the actions they plan to take tonight. We can then keep an eye open for any other actions that are unexplained. I know that I have a mundane action that makes me more liable to notice things, so hopefully I can catch a conversion attempt if we're all in the same room.

[Alan T]

Yes, I think we should all sleep in the ritual room tonight. It might also make sense to have everyone post the actions they plan to take tonight. We can then keep an eye open for any other actions that are unexplained. I know that I have a mundane action that makes me more liable to notice things, so hopefully I can catch a conversion attempt if we're all in the same room.

Well my action tonight is to plan on blocking someone on our uncleared list. I'm going to pick one of the people uncleared that Barkeep and Lathum haven't claimed.

[Mustang]

I hate posting actions but, here goes.

Last night, I found the potion of power. It is my intent to give this to Schmidty. Assuming that he is the Augur, this should tremendously increase his chances at tracking the Shadow to it's source for the final guy.

I guess there is a chance that the potion is a potion of Darkness but, this why I wouldn't mind everyone in the same room to provide a level of checks and balances vs my actions and Schmidty.

So, there it is.

[Mustang]

I put that out there now since I seem to be on short lists and just in case Alan T blocks me, you know what he is blocking.

[ntndeacon]

Yeah, it says actions that occur within the room can still happen, it just causes for a higher chance of being caught.

Another issue here is our ritualist had his power stripped. So only the Spiritmaster can help protect a room, and his role states guarding against intrusions but not about what happens within the room.

I think right now, we really need to try to narrow down who our threats are. Top 3 currently are:

Mustang, Ntndeacon, Mr.Wednesday and Chief Rum in my eyes. I'm hoping people will be able to vouch for others on this list today to narrow it down further. Also another issue to contend with is if Tyrith was the one who converted Kwhit, it means Hoopsguy also could possibly be a shadow as well as his inability to do action on night 1 doesn't speak to much. So if someone can vouch for him a bit more than "he was asleep on night 1" that might be helpful too.

to be fair that isn't a top 3 :)

On a more serious note the way I could vouch for path was through my dreams.

[Joe]

I believe I was followed or searched after last night. If someone says what they found, they could be cleared since the shadow couldn't have done another action.. right? It could also have been kwhit doing his noticing though.

[path12]

Just for the record, Swaggs claims there was a conversion attempt last night and he blocked it due to his role. Not saying you didn't sleep Tyrith, just saying that it appears he wasn't the one doing the converting last night.

Catching up, but just wanted to point out that both shadow likely put in a name, so if Tyrith was slept by Lathum then the other shadow would have been the one to attempt to convert Swaggs.

If this has already been pointed out, then never mind.

[Swaggs]

Swaggs:
Sun Amulet - that would suggest that you could Identify someone without using a Potion of Identify. Yet Joe seemed to imply (or may have come out and said) that you did have this item. So, when you viewed me did you do it with your role or an item? It is a fairly important note in terms of whether or not you know my role and can vouch for it later if/when I reveal it.

Also, it is pretty clear what role Joe has and if he was correct about you having a potion and can clearly identify the holder of the Mask of Whispers then I would not remotely consider him for a shadow vote today. The person with the Mask communicated with me yesterday, so I can validate a statement on the holder of this item if Joe wants to reveal this information.

I used the scroll of identity on you. It gives me more information than my magical ability. I definitely know your role and about your mundane powers, as well.

[Mr. Wednesday]

VOTE Tyrith
VOTE PUNISHMENT

[Swaggs]

Just to confirm Daddtrotgo I was also suspicous of Tyrith so I used my second hex to put him to sleep last night and there was a no kill.

VOTE TYRITH

VOTE PUNISHMENT

In case I was not clear enough, there was absolutely an attempt to convert me last night. My magical item protected me.

[Tyrith]

Mustang, Ntndeacon, Mr.Wednesday and Chief Rum in my eyes. I'm hoping people will be able to vouch for others on this list today to narrow it down further. Also another issue to contend with is if Tyrith was the one who converted Kwhit, it means Hoopsguy also could possibly be a shadow as well as his inability to do action on night 1 doesn't speak to much. So if someone can vouch for him a bit more than "he was asleep on night 1" that might be helpful too.

I sure as heck targeted KWhit night 1.

[path12]

VOTE TYRITH
VOTE PUNISHMENT

If Mustang does have a potion of power to give to Schmidty, I would assume he could use it the following night. Further assuming that potion assures him finding a shadow, we could find two that night.

It would be even better if we had a block though, if we're down to one by tomorrow night game is over.

[Swaggs]

Swaggs, you don't by chance have any info on who tried to convert you last night? Or does anyone else have that type of information? If Tyrith is #2, and the person who tried to convert Swaggs last night is #3, it would be really handy if we had that information.

Also, going with this, I'll clear Barkeep of being influenced by the shadow at this point too. If Lathum slept Tyrith, and the other shadow did the conversion attempt on Swaggs last night, Barkeep couldn't have been that person. I made sure of that last night, so he is also clear now.

No info on who attempted the conversion.

I can prove my innocence, based on what I did last night, but I'm not sure that today is a good time.

[hoopsguy]

I sure as heck targeted KWhit night 1.

We'll ask this same question later this evening and see if the answer changes.

[Alan T]

No info on who attempted the conversion.

I can prove my innocence, based on what I did last night, but I'm not sure that today is a good time.

I dont think there is any need to for you Swaggs. You already gave away your role based on saying what item protected you. Since you have a magical role, I am assuming it means you are good. Also saying you know Hoopsguy has such a role clears him in my mind for today too.

[Mustang]

VOTE TYRITH
VOTE PUNISHMENT

If Mustang does have a potion of power to give to Schmidty, I would assume he could use it the following night. Further assuming that potion assures him finding a shadow, we could find two that night.

It would be even better if we had a block though, if we're down to one by tomorrow night game is over.


In reading the rules, I believe dosing forces them to drink the potion that night. I also believe I do need him in the same room as me though.

I found the potion of power.

Easy enough to verify as a true/false statement.

[Tyrith]

We'll ask this same question later this evening and see if the answer changes.

But of course. That one won't.

[Alan T]

Two things bothering me today is Mustang is creating a convienant excuse to not block him tonight without any thing to help really give us substance.

The other thing is Mr.W's fly by vote and leaving without answering the questions raised about what he was up to last night or to help reduce suspicion on him.

If we have a Signifier around, it might be really useful to help us today by checking out some of the comments made to help us narrow this down some.

Mustang might be a good target for me tonight if he is not cleared before then, as my power would block his ability to use his role or use magic (conversion), but he could still do mundane things such as I assume give someone else a potion. My only fear would be that he is bad, passes along a potion of darkness that then corrupts the person who received it.

[BrianD]

I used the scroll of identity on you. It gives me more information than my magical ability. I definitely know your role and about your mundane powers, as well.

I'd like to hear more about this since Hoops claimed he didn't have any mundane powers.

[hoopsguy]

I'd like to hear more about this since Hoops claimed he didn't have any mundane powers.

Me too - any mundane powers that Swaggs reveals would be news to me.

[Swaggs]

I'd like to hear more about this since Hoops claimed he didn't have any mundane powers.

If hoops give me the okay, I will be happy to reveal as much as he is willing. Since I can verify his role/mundane power whether I am alive and well or cleansed, it is not like the information will be lost should I "die," so I'm not as apt to get the info out there in this game as I would be in a game where all info dies with its discoverer.

[Mustang]

Two things bothering me today is Mustang is creating a convienant excuse to not block him tonight without any thing to help really give us substance.


*L*

Yes, all part of my evil plan. I'm the last Shadow, get everyone in the same room to watch over me and everyone else, give the potion of power to the Augur to find me. MWAAA HA HA HA HA...

The potion of darkness looks like any other potion anyways. Even if I was Shadow, I wouldn't know. And if by some fluke it IS the potion of Darkness, then Schmidty is going to be targeted and then I'm probably going to be targeted.

[Alan T]

Maybe it makes more sense for someone who can block Mustang from using the potion with sleep (Lathum) target him tonight and buy our alchemist time to check that potion out instead, while I pick someone else.

[SnDvls]

Maybe it makes more sense for someone who can block Mustang from using the potion with sleep (Lathum) target him tonight and buy our alchemist time to check that potion out instead, while I pick someone else.

I can't check it out the researcher is the only one who can.

[Mustang]

Maybe it makes more sense for someone who can block Mustang from using the potion with sleep

I'll tell you now, it might not work against me.

Sure seems like you want to extend the game.

[Swaggs]

Damn... almost left and forgot to vote.

Vote Tyrith

Vote Punishment

[Alan T]

I'll tell you now, it might not work against me.

Sure seems like you want to extend the game.

By not trusting someone who no one can vouch for thats on a short list of suspects?

[SnDvls]

I'll tell you now, it might not work against me.

Sure seems like you want to extend the game.


so are you making a not so subtle hint you are the Sorceror?

[Mustang]

By not trusting someone who no one can vouch for thats on a short list of suspects?

So, if I'm the last Shadow, what am I gaining by doing this? Really?

I want us all in the same room so everyone can watch and/or protect.

I asked the spiritmaster to help watch us, I asked anyone else to watch me and Schmidty and use anything else to watch over the room.

[Mustang]

so are you making a not so subtle hint you are the Sorceror?

No, not the Sorceror.

[hoopsguy]

If hoops give me the okay, I will be happy to reveal as much as he is willing. Since I can verify his role/mundane power whether I am alive and well or cleansed, it is not like the information will be lost should I "die," so I'm not as apt to get the info out there in this game as I would be in a game where all info dies with its discoverer.

I'm not going to stomp my foot and pout if you reveal my role - it is probably not a big deal in the overall scheme of things. But if there isn't a compelling reason to do so in terms of trusts or team strategy, then I don't see the benefit in giving information to the Shadow.

I just wanted to verify what kind of info you collected, in light of today's news about your role. Also, yesterday you had suggested that you knew I wasn't Shadow, which does not appear to be accurate based on how I'm reading the Potion of Identify. I would expect you know that I'm not Sun and that you know my role. But if I'm misunderstanding how this item works, please correct me as I would appreciate the knowledge.

[DaddyTorgo]

that sounds like a hot plan mustang. wooohoo

[Peregrine]

Not a defense, I'm fully admitting at this point I'm a bad guy. Power went out about 645, realized about 745 all the other apartments still had power, the "emergency" maintenance line never called me back, and I wasn't about to walk 6 blocks to a place I could get WiFi and charge my laptop during the middle of an evening of thunderstorms. Not to mention I was occupied with other things that I forgot about this until I went to bed :rolleyes:

Ouch, that sucks Tyrith. Bad luck all around for you today.

[Peregrine]

can we all fit in the Ritual Room?


There is enough room for everyone in the Ritual Room.

[BrianD]

I'm not going to stomp my foot and pout if you reveal my role - it is probably not a big deal in the overall scheme of things. But if there isn't a compelling reason to do so in terms of trusts or team strategy, then I don't see the benefit in giving information to the Shadow.

I just wanted to verify what kind of info you collected, in light of today's news about your role. Also, yesterday you had suggested that you knew I wasn't Shadow, which does not appear to be accurate based on how I'm reading the Potion of Identify. I would expect you know that I'm not Sun and that you know my role. But if I'm misunderstanding how this item works, please correct me as I would appreciate the knowledge.

I agree with you Hoops, this doesn't make sense. The scroll of identity doesn't give power information or shadow information.

[Joe]

I can't check it out the researcher is the only one who can.

Right, and I must possess the potion in order to do so. I'm not giving anything away here since it's already obvious what my role is.

[Mustang]

Ok, got the response back from Peregrine about my role so.. here goes.

If you don't like option #1.. option #2...

I'm the spiritmaster. If we all hole up in the ritual room, I can protect us, the downside is that if the Shadow is in the room, they can still attempt but, there is a good chance we will notice them.

Then the research can check out the potion I have and if verified to be the potion of power, we can give to the augur the next day.

[Swaggs]

I'm not going to stomp my foot and pout if you reveal my role - it is probably not a big deal in the overall scheme of things. But if there isn't a compelling reason to do so in terms of trusts or team strategy, then I don't see the benefit in giving information to the Shadow.

I just wanted to verify what kind of info you collected, in light of today's news about your role. Also, yesterday you had suggested that you knew I wasn't Shadow, which does not appear to be accurate based on how I'm reading the Potion of Identify. I would expect you know that I'm not Sun and that you know my role. But if I'm misunderstanding how this item works, please correct me as I would appreciate the knowledge.

I don't believe I ever said that you were not Shadow. I said that I knew that you were not a Sun and I knew your role. And, in making my lists, I was clear to put that the folks I would not be voting for/checking on at night were those I believed were not Sun and/or I knew (or had strong evidence pointing to) their roles.

[Mustang]

And, I didn't directly say I was the spiritmaster because I was not sure how viewing the Shadow attempts would work and wanted verification from Peregrine before definitely saying what my role was an throwing option 2 out there...

[Peregrine]

I should say that the Spiritmaster is similar to the Ritualist role, but the Ritualist role protects against magical spells, and the Spiritmaster's is more of a physical barrier preventing people from coming into the room.

Also, with either role, you can't coerce people into sleeping in the same room, you have to convince them and they have to put in night orders to that effect.

[Swaggs]

I agree with you Hoops, this doesn't make sense. The scroll of identity doesn't give power information or shadow information.

Please point out where I said that hoops could not be a member of the Shadow?

I don't believe I ever did, but if so, it was a mistake. I attempted to clearly communicate that he was not a member of the Sun and that I knew his role/powers.

[Mustang]

Also, with either role, you can't coerce people into sleeping in the same room, you have to convince them and they have to put in night orders to that effect.

Understood.

Is there any way to know who slept in the same room? Wouldn't that just be common information?

[Peregrine]

Is there any way to know who slept in the same room? Wouldn't that just be common information?

So far I've just been playing it that you have a chance to notice anything strange going on in your room, especially if you are using a potion of alertness or have a special ability that helps. If people are interested they can ask who was sleeping in their room.

[Alan T]

Ok, time to make the big list to make sure we're not missing any holes here:

1) Mustang - Claims Spiritmaster
2) BrianD - First to out Kwhit
3) ntndeacon -
4) Joe - claims Researcher
5) Swaggs - claims to have Sun Amulet = Wizard?
6) Barkeep49 - Blocked by Alan last night, couldn't have attempted conversion on swaggs
7) Kwhit - Cleansed
8) Lathum - Claims Warlock
9) Chief Rum -
10) Schmidty - Claims Augur
11) Mr. Wednesday -
12) hoopsguy - Vouched as having role by Swaggs. Slept night 1 so couldn't convert Kwhit
13) DaddyTorgo - Outed Tyrith
14) ImTheCrew - Cleansed
15) Tyrith - EVIL!
16) Path12 - Vouched for by ntndeacon as having some role?
17) Alan T - Claims Theurgist
18) SnDvls - Claims Alchemist

[BrianD]

Please point out where I said that hoops could not be a member of the Shadow?

I don't believe I ever did, but if so, it was a mistake. I attempted to clearly communicate that he was not a member of the Sun and that I knew his role/powers.

You didn't say he wasn't shadow, I was just clarifying my reading of the item. It gives role information (including Sun/not-Sun), but it doesn't give mundane power information or Shadow information. I'm wondering where you got mundane power knowledge from.

[Alan T]

Hoops and Joe, you both stated you know who the Witch was? or someone who had the abilitiy to communicate? Is it anyone who would help us narrow down the list of suspects further? Or is it someone who we already feel good about and no need to give that information?

My list above is color coded:
Green are the people claiming jobs some of whom have proven it and others haven't.
Orange are those vouched for by someone else
Purple are people who havent been vouched for but have done "benefitial" actions for us.
Brown are cleansed and Red are the others.

[hoopsguy]

I used the scroll of indentity on hoops last night. He is not a member of the Sun faction and his role is not one of the two that are "Shadow-friendly." Since I can reveal his role if I am cleansed, I'll hold onto that for him, for now.

Took me a little while to find the post. Looks like my memory was more at fault than your statement. Which is the better of two options, from my perspective. This sounds exactly like what I would expect the Scroll of Identify to provide. Sorry for unintentionally muddying any waters.

[SnDvls]

well Alan I saw you cast a spell last night so that would add up with your role

[hoopsguy]

Hoops and Joe, you both stated you know who the Witch was? or someone who had the abilitiy to communicate?

You tell me who you would prefer to answer first - I'll either answer now or wait for Joe.

[Swaggs]

By the way, here are three of my quotes from yesterday, that I quickly found, that make it pretty clear that I never assumed hoops to be cleared of being a Shadow member.

I'm not sure why hoops and Brian are trying to alter the information I have given. I know hoops is not one of the two roles that are sympathetic to the Shadow, but he very well could be the final Shadow. Perhaps Brian is one of the Shadow sympathizers. I don't know.

I've been bouncing this around and I am going to go ahead and put it out there:

I used the scroll of indentity on hoops last night. He is not a member of the Sun faction and his role is not one of the two that are "Shadow-friendly." Since I can reveal his role if I am cleansed, I'll hold onto that for him, for now.

Do we know or presume that the Warlock was the person that put hoops to sleep last night? If so, he could gain a bit of trust, as we would learn that he was performing a night action, rather than a conversion last night.

Agreed and it will be this way the entire game.

My decision is coming down to roles and seeing if I can interpret anything from how people describe night actions. Knowing that people were not out trying to convert us is informative.

I feel pretty good about myself, Lathum, hoops, Joe, and ITC right now, as far as us not being Sun members and/or attempting a conversion last night.

Chief is a little suspicious to me, as he cannot prove what he did last night (through no fault of his own).

Alright, I'm going to go ahead and place a vote.

Vote Chief Rum

Vote Punishment

As mentioned, I feel reasonably safe that I know the roles and/or that they are not members of the Sun faction for the following:-Me
-Joe
-hoops
-Lathum
-ITC

That gives me somewhere between a 3-7 chance out of 13 to get one of either the three Shadows, one of the two Shadow-friendly roles (assuming they are not already Shadows), or one of the, presumably, two members of the Sun.

[Swaggs]

You didn't say he wasn't shadow, I was just clarifying my reading of the item. It gives role information (including Sun/not-Sun), but it doesn't give mundane power information or Shadow information. I'm wondering where you got mundane power knowledge from.

You are mistaken. It most certainly gave me mundane power information.

[Alan T]

well Alan I saw you cast a spell last night so that would add up with your role
Yeah, I feel ok with my role being vouched for. I stated earlier who I targeted and they didn't dispute it. So since only 1 evil player remains after Tyrith, I expect those that had doubt in me before to feel a bit better about me now.

I was looking through the list of who were vouched for and who wern't, and there are still alot of holes there, some we need to find info from Tyrith after he is cleansed on..

A) if the shadow players knew what their former magical role were to start the game, it would be easy to claim a role and thus those on our list whom have claimed roles that haven't been validated or proven shouldn't be considered cleared.

B) I expect a player who converts someone else would know so, thus theoretically someone like Brian could convert Kwhit then turn on him the following day to gain trust. I just feel on day 2 with no huge reason to I don't see that as likely a scenerio that he would have done.

[Swaggs]

Took me a little while to find the post. Looks like my memory was more at fault than your statement. Which is the better of two options, from my perspective. This sounds exactly like what I would expect the Scroll of Identify to provide. Sorry for unintentionally muddying any waters.

Fair enough.

[BrianD]

By the way, here are three of my quotes from yesterday, that I quickly found, that make it pretty clear that I never assumed hoops to be cleared of being a Shadow member.

I'm not sure why hoops and Brian are trying to alter the information I have given. I know hoops is not one of the two roles that are sympathetic to the Shadow, but he very well could be the final Shadow. Perhaps Brian is one of the Shadow sympathizers. I don't know.

I'm going to give you a chance to re-read my last response to you and respond again before I do.

[Alan T]

You tell me who you would prefer to answer first - I'll either answer now or wait for Joe.

I don't think I'm looking for this answer to validate you or Joe as much as to try to validate someone else. You both know who you are talking about where I don't.. so I guess I'm asking you a question more for your thoughts than trying to get validation for you.. if that makes sense.

I mainly am wondering if the information you two have would help us narrow down the field more... I would say if its more validation for someone we all already feel good about, no need to out it. You can always give that info later "from the grave" so to speak if need be.

[BrianD]

dola, which you already have. :)

[SnDvls]

did anyone have anything stolen from them last night?

[Joe]

The person with the mask of whispers (not the witch just to clarify) is someone that is trusted on alan's list and in other posts, so no reason to reveal.

[SnDvls]

You didn't say he wasn't shadow, I was just clarifying my reading of the item. It gives role information (including Sun/not-Sun), but it doesn't give mundane power information or Shadow information. I'm wondering where you got mundane power knowledge from.

might want to re-read the rules on the S.o.I. it says it gives mundane role too.

[SnDvls]

Scroll of Identity - This magical parchment can be read one time, to magically learn the role of one player. This will reveal both magical and mundane roles, but not whether a person is corrupted or not. Note that in the case of the Sun spies, this will reveal their TRUE role.





from the rules bolded is mine

[Swaggs]

Alan, DT seemed to try and clear Chief Rum yesterday.

[BrianD]

You are mistaken. It most certainly gave me mundane power information.

I find this interesting since my scroll of identity didn't give me any mundane power information (there may have been none to give), and the description of the item doesn't say that it would give that information.

I'm not saying that you are lying, it just seems that your worked differently than expected...by me at least.

[Alan T]

By the way, here are three of my quotes from yesterday, that I quickly found, that make it pretty clear that I never assumed hoops to be cleared of being a Shadow member.

I'm not sure why hoops and Brian are trying to alter the information I have given. I know hoops is not one of the two roles that are sympathetic to the Shadow, but he very well could be the final Shadow. Perhaps Brian is one of the Shadow sympathizers. I don't know.


Swaggs, I'm going on the assumption that someone with a magical role is not a shadow right now. Thus if you know Hoops currently has a Magical role, then I am assuming that is as good as you vouching for him not being the final shadow.

If Tyrith was the one who converted Kwhit on night 1, then that does leave the door open for Hoops to be the last shadow, but your "vouching" for him is whats keeping him off the suspect list in my opinion right now.

[Swaggs]

Swaggs, I'm going on the assumption that someone with a magical role is not a shadow right now. Thus if you know Hoops currently has a Magical role, then I am assuming that is as good as you vouching for him not being the final shadow.

If Tyrith was the one who converted Kwhit on night 1, then that does leave the door open for Hoops to be the last shadow, but your "vouching" for him is whats keeping him off the suspect list in my opinion right now.

If you are trying to clear suspects, I think that is a poor assumption to make. Read the description of the SoI, a few posts above by SnDvls, and it clearly says that it will not determine corruption.

[hoopsguy]

The person with the mask of whispers (not the witch just to clarify) is someone that is trusted on alan's list and in other posts, so no reason to reveal.

Confirmed. It is one of the seven "green" entries on Alan's post.

[BrianD]

might want to re-read the rules on the S.o.I. it says it gives mundane role too.

Mundane role, not necessarily mundane power. I assumed this to mean that the mundane role (of being a Sun member) would be announced, but a mundane power of a cult member wouldn't be announced. Again, I could be reading too much into this.

[Barkeep49]

I think I need to be very clear about this: the green people should not be considered cleared. Having a role is no impediment to being a shadow, otherwise why are there matching roles and players? Peregrine works hard to provide his bad guys cover, having been a bad guy in a previous Peregrine game, and I think this game is no different.

[Barkeep49]

I need to go stonger, I KNOW that this game is no different. Shadow players have a role they can use as cover. Whether or not they can use that role's powers I don't know, but I do know they have a role.

[Alan T]

Alan, DT seemed to try and clear Chief Rum yesterday.

This is the discussion from DT on this yesterday

I don't believe alan or chief are likely shadow-infested.

I would really love to hear how 3 different people have now come out and said they feel that I'm not of the shadow based only on what i Have said.

It feels too much like a "I'll vouch for a good guy to buy trust" type play. Maybe I'm just lucky and alot of people used items or roles to see my boring night, but there sure are alot of people extending me way too much trust for providing nothing more than just words that I have provided no truth or validity to.

i said "i don't believe." i have no hard evidence about what you were doing last night, or whether you are shadow.


I guess I didn't read it as a vouching as much as just his "feeling". Perhaps he knows more, and this is a good question to ask him when he returns.. but as of now it didnt feel like he was vouching for him as much as just his hunch.

[Swaggs]

swaggs...CR is not a good vote on my list.


Post #385 (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showpost.php?p=1455530&postcount=385)

DT seems to know something about CR here.

[hoopsguy]

Swaggs, since you seem to think I have mundane powers and I believe I don't I would be very happy with you revealing this information for discussion.

[Swaggs]

Swaggs, since you seem to think I have mundane powers and I believe I don't I would be very happy with you revealing this information for discussion.

It was pointed out to me that you do not have a mundane role.

[Alan T]

I need to go stonger, I KNOW that this game is no different. Shadow players have a role they can use as cover. Whether or not they can use that role's powers I don't know, but I do know they have a role.

This is what I was getting to earlier.. my fear about people who haven't "demonstrated" using their roles. I am worried that they were given information on what their magical role used to be once upon a time before being converted by the shadow, but just no longer can use it. I am using this part of the rules to believe that:



Once a player has been converted by the Shadow, they can no longer use their original magical role. They can continue to use mundane roles if they wish.



So my concern is that someone can claim having a role but not having demonstrated using it as of yet.

For instance I am pretty sure you can validate my role today Barkeep, but some of the claimed roles we haven't seen evidence of yet (where others we have).

Maybe we should have a seperate list of validated role claims vs unvalidated role claims?

This is also what I meant in my discussion with Swaggs.. he says he knows what Hoopsguy's magical role is.. which would make me assume he is not a shadow if he has the role.. I guess I wonder if it possibly says what it used to be before he lost it as well?

[hoopsguy]

As I read the PM, the point that may be construed as a mundane power seems to me to be a part of my role. Not as described on Page 1, but in terms of being an element of the role.

Like I said earlier, if I do in fact have a mundane power then the issue here is related to my reading comprehension. It wasn't spelled out "you have mundane power X" or anything along those lines.

[Barkeep49]

Actually I can't validate your claim Alan. I used a mundane power last night. I have no reason to doubt you, but I can't actually say that I had some magic blocked.

[Barkeep49]

DOLA: By mundane I mean I searched a room. Not sure if that's technically a mundane power but it's what I did last night.

[Alan T]

Maybe we can make this list a bit better then with better classifications:

7) Kwhit - Cleansed
14) ImTheCrew - Cleansed

4) Joe - claims Researcher (possibly validated based on finding an item?)
8) Lathum - Claims Warlock (proven by sleeping Hoops night 1 and Tyrith last night)
10) Schmidty - Claims Augur (proven with the info on Kwhit)
17) Alan T - Claims Theurgist (proven by action on Barkeep)

6) Barkeep49 - Blocked by Alan last night, couldn't have attempted conversion on swaggs
12) hoopsguy - Vouched as having role by Swaggs. Slept night 1 so couldn't convert Kwhit
16) Path12 - Vouched for by ntndeacon as having some role?

2) BrianD - First to out Kwhit
13) DaddyTorgo - Outed Tyrith

1) Mustang - Claims Spiritmaster (unproven)
5) Swaggs - claims to have Sun Amulet = Wizard? (unproven)
18) SnDvls - Claims Alchemist (unproven)

3) ntndeacon -
9) Chief Rum -
11) Mr. Wednesday -
15) Tyrith - EVIL!
[/quote]

With most trusted to least trusted groups. Maybe this helps more?

[Alan T]

Actually I can't validate your claim Alan. I used a mundane power last night. I have no reason to doubt you, but I can't actually say that I had some magic blocked.

Well thats inconvienant!

[Swaggs]

I don't know how to be any more clear with the information I have. I was informed of hoopsguy's role and specifically learned that he had no mundane role.

That, in no way, clears him of being a member of the Shadow.

[Alan T]

Dola, I still think my action on you should prove that you aren't the last Shadow though Barkeep.. As my action would have blocked you from trying to convert Swaggs, thus you must have used a mundane action or failed on any magical action attempt.

[SnDvls]

DOLA: By mundane I mean I searched a room. Not sure if that's technically a mundane power but it's what I did last night.

I wouldn't say this is a power/role or even mundane as it's something we all can do.

[Swaggs]

Alan, I think it is pretty clear that I am the Wizard.

I was trying to fish for more information from them and get them to continue working for us, but I correctly identified one of the Sun Members last night.

[Alan T]

I don't know how to be any more clear with the information I have. I was informed of hoopsguy's role and specifically learned that he had no mundane role.

That, in no way, clears him of being a member of the Shadow.

I think you're being clear enough, at least for my understanding. I think him having a magical role helps some.. but we need the information from Tyrith once he is cleansed what exactly he had in the way of a magical role.

ie: if you had scanned Tyrith, would it have shown his original magical role as well?

I think the rules seem to indicate that whatever roles they had once upon a time, they no longer could use.. so at worst your scan of hoops and knowing he has/had a magical role at worst puts him in the group of dark green players trustwise who have claimed a role without proving it.

[BrianD]

I don't know how to be any more clear with the information I have. I was informed of hoopsguy's role and specifically learned that he had no mundane role.

That, in no way, clears him of being a member of the Shadow.

So what was all the talk about knowing what his mundane power was? That was the only part of your statement that I objected to. You knew that his mundane power was that he had no mundane role?

[SnDvls]

18) SnDvls - Claims Alchemist (unproven)



sorry but I have to dispute this even if you don't agree.

I used a potion of alertness to see you cast a spell and Mr. W who was also in our room leave our room for a time being. How would I have know you were in the same room as me with out the potion?

[Alan T]

Alan, I think it is pretty clear that I am the Wizard.

I was trying to fish for more information from them and get them to continue working for us, but I correctly identified one of the Sun Members last night.

I'm assuming someone you identified as a sun member then couldn't be a shadow member. Would knowing who this is help us narrow down our suspects any further? I think this might be good to know right now.

[Barkeep49]

Dola, I still think my action on you should prove that you aren't the last Shadow though Barkeep.. As my action would have blocked you from trying to convert Swaggs, thus you must have used a mundane action or failed on any magical action attempt.
Yeah it's why I want to believe you since your action does tend to clear me :)

SnDvls: Fair enough. Wasn't sure quite what to call it, which is why I clarified and stated exactly what I did so there could be no confusion.

[Alan T]

sorry but I have to dispute this even if you don't agree.

I used a potion of alertness to see you cast a spell and Mr. W who was also in our room leave our room for a time being. How would I have know you were in the same room as me with out the potion?

I said earlier in the day exactly what I had done and where though. I think the part about Mr.W is what gives your story more credence. I am a bit upset he chose to not answer the doubts about what he was up to in there when he was here earlier.

[Swaggs]

So what was all the talk about knowing what his mundane power was? That was the only part of your statement that I objected to. You knew that his mundane power was that he had no mundane role?

Brian, without quoting the exact message that I received, it made two points:
1.) hoopsguy's role
2.) it also specifically told me that he did not have a mundane role

The assumption is that, if a player had both a magical role AND a mundane role, both would be revealed with the SoI.

[BrianD]

sorry but I have to dispute this even if you don't agree.

I used a potion of alertness to see you cast a spell and Mr. W who was also in our room leave our room for a time being. How would I have know you were in the same room as me with out the potion?

I used a potion of alertness on Night 1 (which is how I identified KWhit), but I'm not the alchemist. Using a potion doesn't mean you made it.

[Swaggs]

I'm assuming someone you identified as a sun member then couldn't be a shadow member. Would knowing who this is help us narrow down our suspects any further? I think this might be good to know right now.

I don't believe revealing him would help us narrow down the list any further today.

[Alan T]

sorry but I have to dispute this even if you don't agree.

I used a potion of alertness to see you cast a spell and Mr. W who was also in our room leave our room for a time being. How would I have know you were in the same room as me with out the potion?

The below post is what I am referring to. At 6:54am EST this morning I stated what I had done, pretty early in the day. Thats what I mean by you telling me what i had already said I had done doesn't help your story as much. The part about Mr.W is what I want to know more about. I personally didn't get any information about who was in the room with me last night. Should I ask for that info from Peregrine perhaps?

I didn't learn anything new last night, I still have no items, knowledge of items or anything of the sort. My magical role ability was successful last night I was told, but I guess I don't learn the effects it might have had or what the end result was. I was told that nothing else happened last night. I chose to sleep in the Chamber of Rest, but my PM didnt say anything about it being overbooked or such, so I assume I slept there as planned.

[ntndeacon]

I have at least given a hint of what my role is in my posts today. If need be I can reveal who I am.

[SnDvls]

The below post is what I am referring to. At 6:54am EST this morning I stated what I had done, pretty early in the day. Thats what I mean by you telling me what i had already said I had done doesn't help your story as much. The part about Mr.W is what I want to know more about. I personally didn't get any information about who was in the room with me last night. Should I ask for that info from Peregrine perhaps?

I would it couldn't hurt. but we both were up last night you casting a spell and me making another potion.

[BrianD]

Brian, without quoting the exact message that I received, it made two points:
1.) hoopsguy's role
2.) it also specifically told me that he did not have a mundane role

The assumption is that, if a player had both a magical role AND a mundane role, both would be revealed with the SoI.

No arguments there. Here is why I was confused: I used a scroll of identity last night and I identified a Sun member. I know what magical role he is pretending to have, and I know his mundane role as a Sun Scout. I don't know if his mundane role comes with any mundane powers, but I assume it does. Since I don't know about those mundane powers, I assume the scroll doesn't give that info. You claiming to know what Hoops mundane powers were seemed very odd to me. Saying now that he doesn't have a mundane role doesn't really speak to his mundane powers.

Before anyone asks, the Sun member is already cleared so I won't out him. It doesn't seem to help the Cult victory conditions to name him.

[SnDvls]

I used a potion of alertness on Night 1 (which is how I identified KWhit), but I'm not the alchemist. Using a potion doesn't mean you made it.

it's not the using of a potion that was the important part of my sentence.

[Alan T]

I have at least given a hint of what my role is in my posts today. If need be I can reveal who I am.

I have a guess at what your role might be based on what you said before, but its a flat out guess at this point. I'm still torn to how helpful it is for alot of people to reveal their roles if not needed for the same arguements as earlier in the game. You definitly are one of the people I'm seeking more collaberation on right now though...

It would be very easy for PlayerY to say PlayerX isn't a shadow because I know this to try to gain them trust knowing full well that PlayerY is the last shadow.

[Lathum]

I think I need to be very clear about this: the green people should not be considered cleared. Having a role is no impediment to being a shadow, otherwise why are there matching roles and players? Peregrine works hard to provide his bad guys cover, having been a bad guy in a previous Peregrine game, and I think this game is no different.

Considering I put a known shadow to sleep last night and obviously couldn't be converted the previous 2 nights I think that should pretty much clear me for now.

[ntndeacon]

I have a guess at what your role might be based on what you said before, but its a flat out guess at this point. I'm still torn to how helpful it is for alot of people to reveal their roles if not needed for the same arguements as earlier in the game. You definitly are one of the people I'm seeking more collaberation on right now though...

It would be very easy for PlayerY to say PlayerX isn't a shadow because I know this to try to gain them trust knowing full well that PlayerY is the last shadow.

And I do realize my listing how I saw what I saw, in itself not enough to clear me. I did want to let the group know of my willingness to reveal it.

[BrianD]

it's not the using of a potion that was the important part of my sentence.

You lost me here. You were refuting Alan's claim that your role as alchemist was unconfirmed by stating that you saw stuff going on while you were awake. You said that you were awake because you used the potion of alertness. How does this confirm your role as alchemist?

[path12]

I wouldn't say this is a power/role or even mundane as it's something we all can do.

Yes, but if you are searching you cannot do your magical role that night per the rules.

[path12]

Yes, but if you are searching you cannot do your magical role that night per the rules.


D'oh. Stupid. One night per game you can do a mundane plus a magical role.

[SnDvls]

You lost me here. You were refuting Alan's claim that your role as alchemist was unconfirmed by stating that you saw stuff going on while you were awake. You said that you were awake because you used the potion of alertness. How does this confirm your role as alchemist?

are you or someone else claiming it? would be pretty stupid of someone to claim a role they don't have in hopes the person who really does have it would not speak up.

[path12]

4) Joe - claims Researcher (possibly validated based on finding an item?)

Question on this. Couldn't he have found an item in the initial night 0 search? I'm not sure that finding an item is necessarily enough to put him as cleared.

Besides, I don't think it unlikely that a shadow would claim his "role" early in order to try and avoid suspicion.

[Swaggs]

Question on this. Couldn't he have found an item in the initial night 0 search? I'm not sure that finding an item is necessarily enough to put him as cleared.

Besides, I don't think it unlikely that a shadow would claim his "role" early in order to try and avoid suspicion.

I "found" an item on Night 0, so I think it is certainly possible. I believe Peregrine indicated that we all performed a search on Night 0.

[Mustang]

Besides, I don't think it unlikely that a shadow would claim his "role" early in order to try and avoid suspicion.

Only reason I claimed right now is that it appears there will only be 1 Shadow left. given that I can only protect for 2 nights, makes more sense for everyone to hole up in a room. 2 or more Shadows, chances are I would expend my use before we caught both.

Not saying you are claiming I'm a Shadow... just stating my reasoning for revealing now.

[SnDvls]

I also found an item on night 0

[BrianD]

are you or someone else claiming it? would be pretty stupid of someone to claim a role they don't have in hopes the person who really does have it would not speak up.

No, I am not claiming it. I do know that the Sun members got one of the 18 roles and I am guessing that the Shadow were given one of the 18 roles too. Like Alan said, showing evidence of using a magic power should clear people, but using a potion doesn't count. In truth, I'm not sure how you would prove use of your role since I doubt anyone can see you make a potion.

[Joe]

I have not found any items myself, but the possessors of items.

[Alan T]

Question on this. Couldn't he have found an item in the initial night 0 search? I'm not sure that finding an item is necessarily enough to put him as cleared.

Besides, I don't think it unlikely that a shadow would claim his "role" early in order to try and avoid suspicion.

I think Joe's claim was more validated due to knowing who had the mask of whispers. Maybe he shouldn't be as trusted as we feel, but Swaggs also previously stated Joe was higher up in trust too. I'll have to go back and re-read what he posted this morning, but it seemed pretty clear what role he was claiming and it was something that someone else was able to possibly verify.

[BrianD]

I also found an item on Night 0.

[Alan T]

I did not sleep in a common room. Maybe I shouldnt reveal this.. oh well. I slept in hiding place, part of my mundane role. I also know who has the scroll of identity. Or, who had it, if it was used last night. I do not know if it was used or not.

I slept in the storage room last night and used the scroll of identify as my night action.

I learned the role of one player and whether or not he has a mundane power.

swaggs was indeed who o saw had the scroll

Were you able to see who I used it on?

If so, we could form a semi-COT for the day, as I would be able to know that you were obviously not doing anything "Shadowish," and you obviously know that I was not.

No, I was only able to see that it was in your possession, not that it was even used.


This is also more on Joe from the previous day. So both days he seems to have had hits on what he searched for with some sign of validation. I feel ok with joe being in the upper group of trust right now.

[path12]

I think Joe's claim was more validated due to knowing who had the mask of whispers. Maybe he shouldn't be as trusted as we feel, but Swaggs also previously stated Joe was higher up in trust too. I'll have to go back and re-read what he posted this morning, but it seemed pretty clear what role he was claiming and it was something that someone else was able to possibly verify.

Now that you mention that it rings a bell. I just remember finding it kind of odd that there were two or three people seemingly ready to reveal day 1, but I guess I'll have to go back and read through that again if I get a chance to see.

The most important thing on our agenda should be doing everything possible to ensure a block tonight. If we do that we have an excellent chance to win this tomorrow.

[Alan T]

anyone want to share what they found out last night? I have located the holder of the Mask of Whispers. I believe this person to be good, so I won't say who it is. But if there has been any useful communication maybe it can surface.

Swaggs:
Sun Amulet - that would suggest that you could Identify someone without using a Potion of Identify. Yet Joe seemed to imply (or may have come out and said) that you did have this item. So, when you viewed me did you do it with your role or an item? It is a fairly important note in terms of whether or not you know my role and can vouch for it later if/when I reveal it.

Also, it is pretty clear what role Joe has and if he was correct about you having a potion and can clearly identify the holder of the Mask of Whispers then I would not remotely consider him for a shadow vote today. The person with the Mask communicated with me yesterday, so I can validate a statement on the holder of this item if Joe wants to reveal this information.

I would reveal who has the mask of whispers so that they may absolutely clear me, though it may be stolen. I mean, I will if necessary. But with the new info

VOTE TYRITH AND PUNISHMENT


And here is the stuff from today that Joe had with collaboration from hoops. Later they had other posts and seem to both agree on whom the type of person with the mask currently is even though they hadn't both confirmed names.

I don't think having this knowledge helps clear Hoops any, but it feels pretty solid that Joe is who he says he is.

[Swaggs]

I think Joe's claim was more validated due to knowing who had the mask of whispers. Maybe he shouldn't be as trusted as we feel, but Swaggs also previously stated Joe was higher up in trust too. I'll have to go back and re-read what he posted this morning, but it seemed pretty clear what role he was claiming and it was something that someone else was able to possibly verify.

Joe also knew what item I had.

In my mind, he is as close to non-Shadow as you can get, without having a seer-type check him.

[Swaggs]

Looks like you beat me to it, Alan. :)

[Swaggs]

I think it is very important that, if DT can legitimately "clear" Chief Rum, he does so today, before we send in our night actions.

[path12]

I think it is very important that, if DT can legitimately "clear" Chief Rum, he does so today, before we send in our night actions.


I'd also still like to hear what Mr. W was doing last night.

[BrianD]

I think it is very important that, if DT can legitimately "clear" Chief Rum, he does so today, before we send in our night actions.

Do you have any knowledge/suspicion that DT might be able to clear him?

[Alan T]

I think it is very important that, if DT can legitimately "clear" Chief Rum, he does so today, before we send in our night actions.

I am definitly not making up my mind on night actions until we find out info from Tyrith post-cleansing as well as what else we can find out today. As it is, we currently have more suspects and not-fully cleared people to assure that we can block the shadow tonight.

I'll be sleeping in the Ritual room tonight, but havent figured out who good targets yet are. As it stands Mr.W tops my list. He's been a shadow as far as his participation today at least!

[Lathum]

VOTE NIGHTFALL

If we can get nightfall now it will give us more time to discuss strategy/ question tyrith

[DaddyTorgo]

Been swamped with stuff at work.

[Alan T]

VOTE NIGHTFALL

If we can get nightfall now it will give us more time to discuss strategy/ question tyrith

I agree

Vote Nightfall

[Alan T]

oh.. woops

Vote punishment

vote nightfall

<.<

[Lathum]

I am thinking Mr. Wed may be the sorcerer trying to run interference for the lone shadow.

I plan on using my final hex on him, if it doesn't work then we can assume he is the sorcerer

[Swaggs]

Do you have any knowledge/suspicion that DT might be able to clear him?

He wanted me to change my vote for Chief Rum after I made it yesterday. I don't see a real good reason for someone to tie themsef to another player on Day 2, particularly very early in the day, unless they have a pretty good reason.

[Alan T]

I am thinking Mr. Wed may be the sorcerer trying to run interference for the lone shadow.

I plan on using my final hex on him, if it doesn't work then we can assume he is the sorcerer

Ok, if you do choose him, make sure I know. He was who I was thinking about as well. I won't go after him if you do.

[Alan T]

He wanted me to change my vote for Chief Rum after I made it yesterday. I don't see a real good reason for someone to tie themsef to another player on Day 2, particularly very early in the day, unless they have a pretty good reason.

Well he also said the same thing about me yesterday and when I called him out on it wondering how he knew I was good based on me not even doing anything the night before, he said it was just a hunch/guess.

[DaddyTorgo]

okay...missed a bunch of lunchtime posts. I can conclusively say that on N1 I did indeed use my power to learn something about CR's power. I don't want to say much more than that at this point, as it potentially could give Shadow information. But I must have read something (honestly don't remember what at this point) that made me think that CR had used his power, and thus was still good.

[DaddyTorgo]

Well he also said the same thing about me yesterday and when I called him out on it wondering how he knew I was good based on me not even doing anything the night before, he said it was just a hunch/guess.


i am still behind on all the afternoon posts that i missed over the last hour.

but my feelings on CR and you are different. you were more a hunch. more of a "here's two villagers trying to tear each other apart" type of dynamic that we usually see from two passionate villagers in a game.

okay i'm starving. anymore from me will hafta wait till after i run out to eat something.

[Swaggs]

Lathum, it says in the roles description that the Sorceror is immune to any kind of magic sleep. Not sure what to do with this info, as it could prove that he is the sorceror (if he does not sleep), but it may not be the best use of your powers.

[Alan T]

7) Kwhit - Cleansed
14) ImTheCrew - Cleansed

4) Joe - claims Researcher (possibly validated based on finding an item?)
8) Lathum - Claims Warlock (proven by sleeping Hoops night 1 and Tyrith last night)
10) Schmidty - Claims Augur (proven with the info on Kwhit)
17) Alan T - Claims Theurgist (proven by action on Barkeep)

6) Barkeep49 - Blocked by Alan last night, couldn't have attempted conversion on swaggs
12) hoopsguy - Vouched as having role by Swaggs. Slept night 1 so couldn't convert Kwhit
16) Path12 - Vouched for by ntndeacon as having some role?

2) BrianD - First to out Kwhit
13) DaddyTorgo - Outed Tyrith

1) Mustang - Claims Spiritmaster (unproven)
5) Swaggs - claims to have Sun Amulet = Wizard? (unproven)
18) SnDvls - Claims Alchemist (unproven)

3) ntndeacon -
9) Chief Rum -
11) Mr. Wednesday -
15) Tyrith - EVIL!

On this list, the people I am concerned about:

Mr.W - No one knows anything about him other than Sndvls says he saw him leave last night.
Chief Rum - DaddyTorgo needs to help us with more validation for him
Ntndeacon - Hinted at a role I don't want to block if he is telling the truth..
Mustang - plans on using a potion on Schmidty which if he is evil could cause us bad problems
Sndvls - No real way to validate his claim
Hoopsguy - If Tyrith did the night 1 convert, Hoops isn't cleared

[Alan T]

Ok, DT seems to better validate Chief Rum, but he sure is being vague about it thats not helping! I'll assume Chief can go on the validated list based on DT vouching for him,

[Alan T]

Ntndeacon, who did you use your magical role on night 1? Last night I assume was Path?

[DaddyTorgo]

VOTE NIGHTFALL

i'm going to eat and ponder something in light of what has been brought to light in the past hour.