Werewolf LIX: Anarchy in Fairytale Land Day 4 GAME OVER SHREK WINS!!!

[Telle]

What's the point of voting for him if he can likely just get right back out again? The better bet would be to just kill him.. but I don't know if my role would have enough skill to do it.

[RendeR]

Going to be out until probably 2-3pm est. Monsters are demanding attention, god forbid =)

Gotta do some sort of cleaning around here as well as my poor house is a disaster. having two monsters will do that to a house =)

[Alan T]

Telle, if you know that DT is a wolf then why aren't you voting for him at this point? Is there some other motivation that you have right now besides catching wolves?

I'm waiting to hear what he has to say about the events of the last couple of days, but your statements coupled with those by Oliegirl seem to have him pretty boxed in.

Did Render ever answer my question regarding if we can even vote for him? I asked earlier what DT's status was, since last Render said, he was in the bog and i would assume not votable... I am waiting for that clarification mainly, since that is confusing a bit.

[Passacaglia]

I thought he was only in the bog for 24 hours?

[Alan T]

I thought he was only in the bog for 24 hours?

I thought Render made a clarification on that.. that the 24 hour period is only in determining victory condition qualifications... I thought someone was sent to the Bog until the game ends, or they are freed or killed.

[Passacaglia]

I thought Render made a clarification on that.. that the 24 hour period is only in determining victory condition qualifications... I thought someone was sent to the Bog until the game ends, or they are freed or killed.

I thought in that post, he was just clarifying what it meant to be in the bog.

[path12]

Catching up, I was out all last night.

[Alan T]

I thought in that post, he was just clarifying what it meant to be in the bog.


I guess I don't see the purpose of the items or abilities or whatever that people have to free someone if they are getting out anyways.. The comments made was that someone could be freed or could get out by sheer dumb luck give me the opposite impression....

I could very well be wrong here though, which is why I was asking Render what was up... He seems to be avoiding the subject though! :)

[DaddyTorgo]

hey all. my day at work has been busy-busy. literally just checking in for the first time all day. what's up?

need to catch up on midnight-noon, and TBH i still haven't read all the Day 1 stuff fully.

[path12]

This is the point of a WW game where I become overly fixated with my hunch and everything that a person I am suspicious of posts just screams wolf to me, and then suddenly several people's posts that seem to inexplainably defend that person begin to draw lines together and by the end of day 2 I feel I know who all of the bad guys are...

Fast forward 3 days later and I find I've pushed for the elimination of various allies or innocent bystanders.

Classic. :D

[Mr. Wednesday]

hey all. my day at work has been busy-busy. literally just checking in for the first time all day. what's up?

need to catch up on midnight-noon, and TBH i still haven't read all the Day 1 stuff fully.

I think that answers the question of whether DT is still in the Bog, no? :)

[path12]

Wow. Hey, DC finally was bad!

Other than that, I'm totally lost at the moment as far as my individual goals go, so I'm thinking at this point I'll probably go for the team minor win....especially since folks are dropping like flies around here.

[Passacaglia]

I guess I don't see the purpose of the items or abilities or whatever that people have to free someone if they are getting out anyways.. The comments made was that someone could be freed or could get out by sheer dumb luck give me the opposite impression....

I could very well be wrong here though, which is why I was asking Render what was up... He seems to be avoiding the subject though! :)

Probably because he doesn't want to come right out and say that it's as blah as I think it is. :p

[Passacaglia]

Wow. Hey, DC finally was bad!

Other than that, I'm totally lost at the moment as far as my individual goals go, so I'm thinking at this point I'll probably go for the team minor win....especially since folks are dropping like flies around here.

Like flies? We've only had 4 deaths, right? SC, Thomkal, DC, and PB?

[Alan T]

Probably because he doesn't want to come right out and say that it's as blah as I think it is. :p

Well then, if people do indeed get out of the bog 24 hours after being put in, voting DT off today isn't the answer, one of the Pigs who's victory condition is to kill the wolves needs to just outright kill him probably.

At this point if this is the case, I really don't see the purpose of the voting to the bog, other than a momentary delay in someone being able to do stuff.. and I don't really know what strategy I would take in voting people to the bog other than revoting in people like DT or Oliegirl whom have shown the desire to harm others.

[DaddyTorgo]

honestly, i don't have the time to deal with...whatever right now. i saw something about me being a wolf...that's not the case is all i know. might be someone with the ability to disguise themself, sure as hell wasn't me

[hoopsguy]

DT, if you aren't a wolf, and you are in line to be killed by someone sizing you up in the game, do you see any harm in revealing your role? I guess I would rather have that to consider before you are dead rather than after you are dead if you are in fact not a wolf.

[Abe Sargent]

You all hear a blood curdling scream from the enchanted castle. upon arriving there you smell something rancid and find a half melted body surrounded by shards of glass. one shard has a label named "acid".

Someone has killed PurdueBrad! He was the Evil mastermind!


This was me. I played a hunch and got 'im!


Anxiety 1
Barkeep 1


Your turn BK! ;)

[hoopsguy]

Anxiety, did you know what your potion would do? Why did your hunch lead you towards PurdueBrad?

[Abe Sargent]

Anxiety, did you know what your potion would do? Why did your hunch lead you towards PurdueBrad?

I did not kill him with a potion, but with a nearby beaker of acid that was just sitting around.

[Abe Sargent]

Oh, and when I spyed on him on N1, he was mixing things on a pot. That struck me as odd, but not necessarily evil. Could be a witch, could be making porrage, who knows?

THen he didn;t vote yesterday. That was a bit too utr for me, so I went with my gut.

[Lorena]

Probably because he doesn't want to come right out and say that it's as blah as I think it is. :p

Give the guy a break, it's his first game

[Passacaglia]

Well then, if people do indeed get out of the bog 24 hours after being put in, voting DT off today isn't the answer, one of the Pigs who's victory condition is to kill the wolves needs to just outright kill him probably.

At this point if this is the case, I really don't see the purpose of the voting to the bog, other than a momentary delay in someone being able to do stuff.. and I don't really know what strategy I would take in voting people to the bog other than revoting in people like DT or Oliegirl whom have shown the desire to harm others.

Well, the momentary delay could be worthwhile -- maybe make him unable to do bad stuff until someone kills him?

By the way, if someone does kill him, what happens to the votes on him? If they don't get another vote in, are they penalized for not voting?

[Passacaglia]

Give the guy a break, it's his first game

That wasn't meant to be derogatory. There's a ton of crazy things going on in this game, and I'm not saying this is a worse game because this aspect isn't as crazy -- I'm just saying he doesn't want us to know how it works, and he doesn't happen to have a confusing aspect for it.

[oliegirl]

Hey everyone...checking in quickly, we are SO slammed at work and they are cracking down on internet use.

I skimmed through everything and will try to answer what I can.

I followed Telle to try and determine whether or not she was good...which is basically the same reason I used the potion in the first place. I'm trying to get a definitive answer one way or the other on a couple of people...she's pinging my radar hard as a possible "bad guy", but I'm not sure what her role is, mainly b/c this game isn't cut and dry - the "bad" aspect is a very gray area.

All I know is what I was told in my PM...that she was attacked, but won, and she was holding a sword.

What I don't get is if you trust Telle, and she's said DT is a wolf, why you would vote for anyone else, regardless of if it's me or not.

[jeheinz72]

Man, this is a tough game. Here's what I think/know

- That if you trust Telle, you should vote DT. Which I probably will
- That I'm nowhere on my win conditions. My searches haven't gotten me jack except for a breastplate for defense in case someone attacks me. Didn't help that I wasted a search trying to get crafty and searching the initial prairie.
- I'd settle at this point for a minor victory of eliminating the wolves. I can't see a situation where I could hit on all of my conditions before someone else will, since I'd wager we have people who have part of them done to the point where someone may just be 1 part away.

So my focus will be killin' us some wolves. That leads me back to point 1, voting DT.

[hoopsguy]

Telle has multiple vouches at this point - Olie obviously, but I'm also strongly suggesting that I know her role and that she is no wolf.

If there is someone who does not trust her at this point, I would be interested in hearing the reasons why.

[path12]

Like flies? We've only had 4 deaths, right? SC, Thomkal, DC, and PB?

And Telle poisoned, and ntn apparently out with something. That's like six in two plus days......I'd call that dropping like flies.

[SnDvls]

I thought Telle said she was healed

[Telle]

Yeah, I was. Otherwise I'd be dead at this point.

[path12]

Yeah, I was. Otherwise I'd be dead at this point.


Missed that. Busy the past day.

[Passacaglia]

I missed that, too -- just kinda forgot about it. I think ntn is alive, though, and woke up at noon -- he's usually quiet, though, so I dunno if he's alive or what now.

[hoopsguy]

Well, NTN is in the thread so he should be able to respond, if allowed.

[Passacaglia]

I guess it's possible something happened to him. Anxiety, can you shed some light on what you threw at PB?

[hoopsguy]

As far as casting votes, I guess I would rather place them on a wolf than another villager. Again, this decision will vary for people who may want to hinder another team to enhance their own shot of winning. But since I'm now primarily gunning for minor victory, I would rather slow down wolves and enable the other "villagers" to pursue the major victory without having to worry about bog rescues.

VOTE DADDYTORGO

[ntndeacon]

I can respond now. there was a sleep bomb that covered the enchanted castle. Don't know who tossed it. but 3 of us were trapped in its spell. I was glad I had already voted yesterday.

[hoopsguy]

I guess it's possible something happened to him. Anxiety, can you shed some light on what you threw at PB?

He covered this in Post #520:
I did not kill him with a potion, but with a nearby beaker of acid that was just sitting around.

[ntndeacon]

and if DT is a wolf I am all about lynching him...
Vote DaddyTorgo

[Passacaglia]

I can respond now. there was a sleep bomb that covered the enchanted castle. Don't know who tossed it. but 3 of us were trapped in its spell. I was glad I had already voted yesterday.

Was there an extra 2 hours added on to when you could respond, or were you just not available until now?

[ntndeacon]

just not available

I could respond starting at 12:00 (I assume eastern but since Ihad students and then had lunch iguess it doesnt really matter.)

[jeheinz72]

Well, I'm with hoops, no sense voting for non-wolves...

Vote DaddyTorgo

[Barkeep49]

I'm a little disturbed, frankly, that someone can escape from the bog and we get no GM notification of it. Seems like that could certainly favor bad guys doing shifty things and not being held responsible for it since no one knew they could do it.

Vote DaddyT

[Alan T]

Unvote Oliegirl
Vote DaddyTorgo

Well, Render doesn't appear that he will be answering the question regarding DT, however since he is posting in the thread, its obvious he isn't in the bog anymore and thus votable.

I guess a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush, or however that line goes..

[RendeR]

A serving girl Screams and runs paniced through the enchanted castle. As everyone comes running to see whats wrong you find Hoopsguy lying in a pool of blood, with a Crossbow bolt sticking out of his head.

Hoopsguy is Dead!! He was Lady Guenivere!

[jeheinz72]

Man, the carnage...who did that one?

[Passacaglia]

okay, path was right -- people ARE dropping like flies!

[hoopsguy]

A serving girl Screams and runs paniced through the enchanted castle. As everyone comes running to see whats wrong you find Hoopsguy lying in a pool of blood, with a Crossbow bolt sticking out of his head.

Hoopsguy is Dead!! He was Lady Guenivere!


Jerks. I can't believe that you would kill someone as hot as me.

[SnDvls]

vote DaddyTorgo

since it looks like there isn't another choice out there

[SnDvls]

A serving girl Screams and runs paniced through the enchanted castle. As everyone comes running to see whats wrong you find Hoopsguy lying in a pool of blood, with a Crossbow bolt sticking out of his head.

Hoopsguy is Dead!! He was Lady Guenivere!


apparently someone is playing for their own victory

[SnDvls]

RendeR - can you update pg 1 with roles/deaths ect. when you get a chance thanks.

[Abe Sargent]

Wow. Another Crossbow bolt.

[Passacaglia]

What a surprise...looks like no one is stepping up to claim this one. Who used the crossbow last time?

[path12]

What a surprise...looks like no one is stepping up to claim this one. Who used the crossbow last time?

Nobody as far as I remember.

[RendeR]

Front page updated with Deaths/Roles

[RendeR]

Current votes are 4 for Daddytorgo, full listing later on tonight.

[path12]

Jerks. I can't believe that you would kill someone as hot as me.

"Don't you wish your hoopsguy was hot like me...."

[jeheinz72]

"Don't you wish your hoopsguy was hot like me...."

Dude that exact same thing ran through my head! I didn't know if anyone would get it...

[RendeR]

As everyone stands around pondering the excellent aim of the Crossbowman you all hear ANOTHER scream!

This time from the kitchens, a cook is freaking out like a pompous rich girl seeing a dirty doily.

On the table in front of you lies jeheinz72, his head beaten into a cottage cheese-like mass of blood and gore, the offending rolling pin lying nearby.

Jeahienz72 is DEAD! He was Princess Buttercup!

[Passacaglia]

What the heck?!?!

[jeheinz72]

Ain't that about a bitch...

[path12]

OK, this is getting ridiculous.

[path12]

Wait a minute, wasn't Pass Buttercup?

[Passacaglia]

Wait a minute, wasn't Pass Buttercup?

These aren't the droids you're looking for.

[Telle]

I feel like this is a good time to reveal that I'm Buttercup.

So, ummm, Pass? What's up with you claiming to be Buttercup?

[jeheinz72]

Everlasting beauty RendeR, you were supposed to mention my everlasting beauty...

Anyways chaps, best of luck.

[SnDvls]

As everyone stands around pondering the excellent aim of the Crossbowman you all hear ANOTHER scream!

This time from the kitchens, a cook is freaking out like a pompous rich girl seeing a dirty doily.

On the table in front of you lies jeheinz72, his head beaten into a cottage cheese-like mass of blood and gore, the offending rolling pin lying nearby.

Jeahienz72 is DEAD! He was Princess Buttercup!

it appears to me that all the women roles seem to be dying too.

[Passacaglia]

I actually was thinking he was the Dread Pirate Roberts trying to find Buttercup and saying it this way to not give it away to whomever his nemesis is.

Alan was right, here. I'm the Dread Pirate Roberts. And don't try to claim I'm the Evil Mastermind, since he's dead already!

[Alan T]

Like I said before, I highly doubted Pass was buttercup. I think he was the dread pirate roberts.

The other option would have been whomever their nemesis was (who I originally thought was the evil mastermind).. but since he too is dead.. it looks like Pass is who I thought he was.

[SnDvls]

so Pass you the dragon that everyone seems to be looking for?

[SnDvls]

dola, looks like he said his role nevermind

[Alan T]

so Pass you the dragon that everyone seems to be looking for?

I'm not looking for the dragon, and as long as the dragon doesn't bother me, I don't have any reason to bother him :) I think Hoopsguy and whomever Lancelot is are the people looking for the dragon.. I could be wrong on that though.

[Passacaglia]

Well, I can't get a major victory at this point, which sucks since I managed to find Buttercup. Might as well get a wolf.

VOTE DADDYTORGO

[path12]

I'm not looking for the dragon, and as long as the dragon doesn't bother me, I don't have any reason to bother him :) I think Hoopsguy and whomever Lancelot is are the people looking for the dragon.. I could be wrong on that though.

Hoops isn't really looking for anything at all anymore.

[Alan T]

Hoops isn't really looking for anything at all anymore.

He's looking at about 6 feet of fine soil

[RendeR]

Just as a side note. I'm seriously impressed with how well the attackers are doing. one player was defended VERY well and the attacker managed an almost perfect kill. I think if I redid every one of these attacks so far in the game at least 1/3 of them would still be alive and the results would have really made things interesting.

I'm having a real blast watching all of this unfold =)

[Abe Sargent]

Vote DT

No reason not to at this point

[oliegirl]

VOTE DADDYTORGO

I finally received the information I'd been looking for and know without a doubt that Telle is good...I'm unable to share the information per the PM I received.

[Telle]

Ok now.. this was kinda odd...

Going with the notion that there's no point in jailing a wolf that has already shown the ability to escape, I decided to try and "do something" to DT. During a search I had came across a brown potion, and figuring that brown might be bad like black, I decided to use it on him.

And when I did, suddenly all his hair fell out and his nails and teeth shortened.. and he turned into a human! And was, ummm, naked :)

[oliegirl]

Ok now.. this was kinda odd...

Going with the notion that there's no point in jailing a wolf that has already shown the ability to escape, I decided to try and "do something" to DT. During a search I had came across a brown potion, and figuring that brown might be bad like black, I decided to use it on him.

And when I did, suddenly all his hair fell out and his nails and teeth shortened.. and he turned into a human! And was, ummm, naked :)



Ooh - finally a naked man on the board! Pics pls! :D

[Alan T]

Ok now.. this was kinda odd...

Going with the notion that there's no point in jailing a wolf that has already shown the ability to escape, I decided to try and "do something" to DT. During a search I had came across a brown potion, and figuring that brown might be bad like black, I decided to use it on him.

And when I did, suddenly all his hair fell out and his nails and teeth shortened.. and he turned into a human! And was, ummm, naked :)


Eew

[Abe Sargent]

So, you beleive that you've deloused DT, eh?

Alright, for now I'll go with that.

Invote DT

[Alan T]

I'm going to use Telle's post regarding DT's change as an opportunity to allow him to have some time to tell us what the potion did and see if he knows more that he would like to share..

Not sure it matters much since its a run away on DT, but the only thing we have against DT is that he was a wolf, which is now in question.

Unvote DaddyTorgo
Vote Oliegirl

[Abe Sargent]

I meant UNvote DT. Silly typing on teh silly laptop.

[Telle]

So, you beleive that you've deloused DT, eh?

Alright, for now I'll go with that.

Invote DT

That's what it looked like to me. And I really would have appreciated not getting THAT close of a look! :)

[RendeR]

Must SCratch out..mind's eye...must..remove.....mental....image...GAAAAHHhhhhh

[oliegirl]

Unvote DT
Vote AlanT

He's had it out for me, with nothing concrete to base it on. PB and Hoops both trusted me, I was as honest as I could be about the Telle thing, and have been as open as I can be without breaking the rules I've been given as a part of my role, yet even though he posted a long post about how he screws up and votes off people he shouldn't, he's still voting for me. Other than stating his victory conditions, he hasn't really given us much as far as the results of his night actions, etc (as far as I can remember - if I'm wrong I'll gladly retract that)...everyone else has contributed with what they found, what they saw, etc...except him. Unless he gives me some specific information as to why I should trust him, I'm not moving my vote.

[RendeR]

Vote update as of 5pm EST and post # 585

1 - Oliegirl -- Alan T (582)
4 - Daddytorgo -- ntndeacon (538) Barkeep49 (542) SnDvls (548) Passacaglia (572)
1 - Alan T -- Oliegirl (586)


Let me know if I missed any changes.

[SnDvls]

Unvote DT
Vote AlanT

He's had it out for me, with nothing concrete to base it on. PB and Hoops both trusted me, I was as honest as I could be about the Telle thing, and have been as open as I can be without breaking the rules I've been given as a part of my role, yet even though he posted a long post about how he screws up and votes off people he shouldn't, he's still voting for me. Other than stating his victory conditions, he hasn't really given us much as far as the results of his night actions, etc (as far as I can remember - if I'm wrong I'll gladly retract that)...everyone else has contributed with what they found, what they saw, etc...except him. Unless he gives me some specific information as to why I should trust him, I'm not moving my vote.

Olie - I wouldn't put too much in PB trusting you as his role was "Evil Mastermind"

[oliegirl]

Olie - I wouldn't put too much in PB trusting you as his role was "Evil Mastermind"

True...I skimmed over all that stuff at work and just got to re-read it thoroughly. But Hoops as Buttercup trusting me must mean something...plus it doesn't change the fact that AlanT hasn't really provided us with any meaningful information.

[Alan T]

Unvote DT
Vote AlanT

He's had it out for me, with nothing concrete to base it on. PB and Hoops both trusted me, I was as honest as I could be about the Telle thing, and have been as open as I can be without breaking the rules I've been given as a part of my role, yet even though he posted a long post about how he screws up and votes off people he shouldn't, he's still voting for me. Other than stating his victory conditions, he hasn't really given us much as far as the results of his night actions, etc (as far as I can remember - if I'm wrong I'll gladly retract that)...everyone else has contributed with what they found, what they saw, etc...except him. Unless he gives me some specific information as to why I should trust him, I'm not moving my vote.


I am pretty sure that Hoops said you wern't a wolf, which I agree with based on your play so far. Of course there are like 2-4 other bad characters in play besides wolves, so thats not saying much. Plus I am pretty sure that I have been one of the most open people this game, putting it out there early on with what my winning condition was as well as what conditions I needed to get there.. and every step along the way I have continued doing so. I've been pretty clear about my activities every day stating that I have been looking for my two friends with a search command. I definitly have not been saying who is not my friends as I find people who are not friends however, since I really don't want everyone to know who is not a part of my winning condition.

You on the other hand, never explained the part about Telle being a dragon (which you have backpeddled on), you have not given a good explanation for your actions in how they really are backwards if you are truly a good guy, you have not offered any explanation of discrepency of stories between Hoopsguy and you (which he once again brought up and wanted an explanation for as well), and ever since your blunder, you've tried very hard to try to gain trust by stating things that were already obvious (such as Telle being good).

I'm just suprised it took this long for you to vote for me, and I am even more suprised that you haven't taken the same method of trying to attack me like you did to Telle earlier in the game.. I am guessing your "I thought that they were a dragon" excuse wouldn't fly twice though. :)

[oliegirl]

What discrepancy in stories between me and Hoops?

I stated that I knew Telle was good b/c I got information, it wasn't a hunch any longer. I thought she was bad but I was wrong...not the first time I've been wrong in WW and I'm sure it won't be the last either.

The potion I have now is shimmery/pearlescent greenish color...do you want me to throw it at you and see what happens? I suspect it's something good...or I can give it to you. Will either of those actions convince you that I'm good and get you to move your vote off me?

[Alan T]

What discrepancy in stories between me and Hoops?

I stated that I knew Telle was good b/c I got information, it wasn't a hunch any longer. I thought she was bad but I was wrong...not the first time I've been wrong in WW and I'm sure it won't be the last either.

The potion I have now is shimmery/pearlescent greenish color...do you want me to throw it at you and see what happens? I suspect it's something good...or I can give it to you. Will either of those actions convince you that I'm good and get you to move your vote off me?

I learned long ago that in WW games with items, Wolves often will use items in ways to gain trust.. So I personally wouldn't think it would change much of anything for my thoughts about you.

As for the comments about what Hoops said about you this morning, see below:

Upon further review, I'm pretty confident that I can name Telle's role exactly. But I don't see any strategic advantage for me in doing so, unless it is to be underhanded and try to provide additional targets for the wolves. So I'll hold off on doing so, but will vouch for her as a non-wolf.

Just putting that out there in case someone who has an antidote feels like saving her.

Like I said, Hoops pretty much said you wern't a wolf, but very clearly didn't come out saying that you were good the way that Telle was vouched for. So that means there is a decent chance you are the evil character I'm looking for.

This is inconsistent with the information that I learned when I followed her yesterday. Or, at least my interpretation of it. I'm hoping Telle can help us clear things up a little bit.


This is the discrepency between what Hoops saw and you saw with the exact same supposed action. You avoided answering this question the same way you've avoided answering any question that people have asked about your stories that didn't add up.

[Telle]

I'm really not liking any of the current options.. so I'm going to go in a whole new direction.

VOTE SNDVLS

[Telle]

I followed Telle tonight, I didn't find out anything regarding her affiliations, except she is not a wolf. I saw her being attacked, but it looked as if she had fought off her attacker as I saw her holding some sort of sword and the wolf was on the ground..."flailing" was the word that was used. I also found a potion...it's pearlescent and kind of a greenish color.

Btw, I do have a sword. So I don't really see any discrepancy between what Oliegirl said and what happened.

[Telle]

This is inconsistent with the information that I learned when I followed her yesterday. Or, at least my interpretation of it. I'm hoping Telle can help us clear things up a little bit.

Unfortunately hoops didn't tell us what he found to be inconsistent. A wolf came at me but tripped and fell on the ground, and then took off. Perhaps he saw the tripping and she only saw after the wolf was on the ground?

[Passacaglia]

I am pretty sure that Hoops said you wern't a wolf, which I agree with based on your play so far. Of course there are like 2-4 other bad characters in play besides wolves, so thats not saying much. Plus I am pretty sure that I have been one of the most open people this game, putting it out there early on with what my winning condition was as well as what conditions I needed to get there.. and every step along the way I have continued doing so. I've been pretty clear about my activities every day stating that I have been looking for my two friends with a search command. I definitly have not been saying who is not my friends as I find people who are not friends however, since I really don't want everyone to know who is not a part of my winning condition.

You on the other hand, never explained the part about Telle being a dragon (which you have backpeddled on), you have not given a good explanation for your actions in how they really are backwards if you are truly a good guy, you have not offered any explanation of discrepency of stories between Hoopsguy and you (which he once again brought up and wanted an explanation for as well), and ever since your blunder, you've tried very hard to try to gain trust by stating things that were already obvious (such as Telle being good).

I'm just suprised it took this long for you to vote for me, and I am even more suprised that you haven't taken the same method of trying to attack me like you did to Telle earlier in the game.. I am guessing your "I thought that they were a dragon" excuse wouldn't fly twice though. :)

I agree with all this. Alan has come out with victory conditions that seem to match mine. Hoops hinted as much as well. It seems most of us good guys are looking for their ally -- for example, as Dread Pirate Roberts, my ally was Buttercup. Alan was the first one to say that. Olie, I think your vote is misplaced.

[Abe Sargent]

I have no idea where to go with my vote.

[Telle]

I have no idea where to go with my vote.

Yeah, that's how I feel too. I have a positive vibe about Alan.. and I'm no longer convinced about olie.. and after seeing DT's transformation I certainly have no reason to vote for him. Soo.. I went with somebody who I couldn't find much of anything specifically positive for.

[Schmidty]

This game is insane.

Vote DaddyTorgo

[Abe Sargent]

Yeah, that's how I feel too. I have a positive vibe about Alan.. and I'm no longer convinced about olie.. and after seeing DT's transformation I certainly have no reason to vote for him. Soo.. I went with somebody who I couldn't find much of anything specifically positive for.

Seems as good a directions as any other as this point.

VOTE SnDVLS

[Chief Rum]

A serving girl Screams and runs paniced through the enchanted castle. As everyone comes running to see whats wrong you find Hoopsguy lying in a pool of blood, with a Crossbow bolt sticking out of his head.

Hoopsguy is Dead!! He was Lady Guenivere!


:(

[RendeR]

Vote update as of 8:15pm est and post #603

1 - Oliegirl -- Alan T (582)
7 - Daddytorgo -- ntndeacon (538) Barkeep49 (542) SnDvls (548) Passacaglia (572) Oliegirl (577) Schmidty (599) chief Rum (603)
1 - SnDvls -- Telle (593) Anxiety (600)



Updated to reflect CR's vote.

[Chief Rum]

Man, pretty quiet right now. I will put in a vote, but I don't really have a good feel for anything. DT would be a cinch if it wasn't possible he has been cured. And I can't rule anything out in this game.

So I'll put a vote in on DT right now, but I am looking for a reason to move to a potential new wolf, rather than on old converted wolf.

VOTE DADDYTORGO

[Alan T]

1 - SnDvls -- Telle (593) Anxiety (600)




I didn't know Count von Count was considered a Fairy Tale Character...


1 Vote Ahahahahaahahahhh
2 Vote Ahahahahahahahah

[Mr. Wednesday]

I think the vote is pretty fixed right now, but I'm going to pitch in towards making things closer just in case something interesting might happen.

VOTE SnDvls

[DaddyTorgo]

great...just getting into the thread for the first time today and I find that i'm basically hopelessly on the block to go back to the bog

*shrug*

[DaddyTorgo]

VOTE SNDVLS

self-preservation

[oliegirl]

UNVOTE ALANT
VOTE SNDVLS

Switching my vote to prove my alliance with the village as a good guy.

[path12]

I don't want to vote DT, but I also am not thrilled about a percieved jump on vote for SnDvls. I'd go OG since I actually kind of trust Alan for once, but that's a waste. Hmm.

VOTE SNDVLS

I can get you out of the bog tomorrow if something happens. Long as you're not evil that is.

[Telle]

I'm kinda surprised so many people are following me onto SnDvls too.. but I think we just all agree that the choices are shitty and nobody's tossed out any other names.

[Mr. Wednesday]

And just like that, it became very interesting indeed...

[RendeR]

Vote Update:

1 - Oliegirl -- Alan T (582)
5 - Daddytorgo -- ntndeacon (538) Barkeep49 (542) SnDvls (548) Passacaglia (572) Schmidty (599)
6 -SnDvls -- Telle (593) Anxiety (600) Mr. Wednesday (605) Daddytorgo (607) Oliegirl (608) path12 (609)

[DaddyTorgo]

guess maybe I should come up with my night movements now. I wasn't going to bother

[Telle]

Vote Update:

1 - Oliegirl -- Alan T (582)
5 - Daddytorgo -- ntndeacon (538) Barkeep49 (542) SnDvls (548) Passacaglia (572) Schmidty (599)
6 -SnDvls -- Telle (593) Anxiety (600) Mr. Wednesday (605) Daddytorgo (607) Oliegirl (608) path12 (609)



You're missing chief's vote on DT.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Wait, how did DT go from 7 down to 5?

[Mr. Wednesday]

UNVOTE ALANT
VOTE SNDVLS

Switching my vote to prove my alliance with the village as a good guy.
How is this proving an alliance with the village as a good guy?

[Mr. Wednesday]

What's the tiebreak?

[Alan T]

So did the first and last votes on DT get removed by someone's magic or something?

How.. odd

[Alan T]

I dont like how those votes just disappeared to save someone

Unvote Oliegirl
Vote DaddyTorgo

[RendeR]

Deadline

[DaddyTorgo]

I dont like how those votes just disappeared to save someone

Unvote Oliegirl
Vote DaddyTorgo


makes me nervous too

[RendeR]

Vote Update:


7 - Daddytorgo -- ntndeacon (538) Barkeep49 (542) SnDvls (548) Passacaglia (572) Schmidty (599) Chief Rum Alan T
6 -SnDvls -- Telle (593) Anxiety (600) Mr. Wednesday (605) Daddytorgo (607) Oliegirl (608) path12 (609)


Does this appear correct to everyone?

[RendeR]

AS day 3 comes to a bloody and butcher-like end, you all look around to see if anyone else is dead yet.....hrm..looks ok for now.

You can;t seem to decide if SnDvls or DT should get tossed in the bog, but since DT has been there before you decide to send him back.

The city guards grab ahold of him and he just sort of slumps and gives up, clamping his nose tight with a giant clothes pin he resigns himself to wandering aimlessly through the Bogs again.


Day 3 has finally ended. Day 4 has begun!

[RendeR]

Where'd everybody go??

[Alan T]

Where'd everybody go??


Watching Kitchen nightmares while trying to figure out what happened with that vote. :)

Render, can you say whether or not anyone manipulated that vote, or if it was all just a mistabulation? You had Oliegirl listed for DT and Chief Rum listed for DT (even though I don't think OG ever voted for DT), then they both disappeared, then suddenly reappared.

If it was just a mistake, then no biggie.. I'm just trying to figure out what is real and what isn't (if that makes sense)

[Barkeep49]

I like still being alive.

[RendeR]

Watching Kitchen nightmares while trying to figure out what happened with that vote. :)

Render, can you say whether or not anyone manipulated that vote, or if it was all just a mistabulation? You had Oliegirl listed for DT and Chief Rum listed for DT (even though I don't think OG ever voted for DT), then they both disappeared, then suddenly reappared.

If it was just a mistake, then no biggie.. I'm just trying to figure out what is real and what isn't (if that makes sense)


Those were just me being a dumbass. Nothing manipulated the vote.

[SnDvls]

wow teaches me to watch Kid Nation

that sure was an interesting turn of events.

[Telle]

wow teaches me to watch Kid Nation

that sure was an interesting turn of events.

Yeah I really didn't expect there to be a run on you like that. I figured I'd pick someone that hasn't been looked at too thoroughly, and it would spark discussion.. and maybe someone would pick another person to examine too. Instead everyone just kinda jumped on you without saying much.

[Alan T]

Vote Oliegirl


At some point even if she really is good, she'll likely just come and kill me to get rid of me :)

[Alan T]

Vote Oliegirl


At some point even if she really is good, she'll likely just come and kill me to get rid of me :)

Dola, now you can start to understand what happened between myself and my ex-wife.

[Alan T]

Dola, now you can start to understand what happened between myself and my ex-wife.

Dola Dola.. except I think my ex-wife used alot more poison on me than Olie used on Telle

[Schmidty]

I'm just up from a nap to find out that I was attacked by oliegirl. She failed, and I saw her face.


VOTE OLIEGIRL

[Passacaglia]

Did you see who she was, Schmidty?

[Schmidty]

Am I allowed to post my exact PM, or must I switch tiny things up a bit?

Basically, she jumped me (her name, not role), and "underestimated me", and I basically kicked the shit out of her.

Out of all that, I only saw her name, not role. Not even any in-game descriptions, which is a bummer. But at least I know she's bad. Slam dunk vote today.

[Abe Sargent]

Who cleared og again?

[Chief Rum]

Am I allowed to post my exact PM, or must I switch tiny things up a bit?

Basically, she jumped me (her name, not role), and "underestimated me", and I basically kicked the shit out of her.

Out of all that, I only saw her name, not role. Not even any in-game descriptions, which is a bummer. But at least I know she's bad. Slam dunk vote today.

Hmm, not sure how this works into Schmidty's view of things, but I found oliegirl earlier while searching Sherwood Forest. She was dead asleep, and the PM was specific in that she appeared to be unharmed but unable to be awoken. She also had a fairy tale book with "R W V" on the outside of it.

[Abe Sargent]

Hmm, not sure how this works into Schmidty's view of things, but I found oliegirl earlier while searching Sherwood Forest. She was dead asleep, and the PM was specific in that she appeared to be unharmed but unable to be awoken. She also had a fairy tale book with "R W V" on the outside of it.

A Day 3 or Day 4 result?

[Chief Rum]

A Day 3 or Day 4 result?

Well, I got the PM shortly after the Day Three deadlien and my move to and search of Sherwood Forest was my second action of that day. So I guess Day Three.

[Chief Rum]

BTW, nothing I saw really precludes Schmidty from being wrong, just a matter of timing. I would lean toward believing him at this point and will throw a vote on OG. It doesn't seem like she can hurt us right now anyway, though. So if we have another candidate, we might go that way and hope we have a seer-like character that can confirm or deny Schmidty's claim.

VOTE OLIEGIRL

I will be out most of the day, of course, but I will be back well before deadline tomorrow night.

[Alan T]

Who cleared og again?

No one did as far as I know.

Any idea what the R W V fairy tale book is in reference to? I looked through all of the roles, but nothing jumped out at me.

[Barkeep49]

Why is Olie attacking someone something that makes her bad? I've attacked someone and I'm good. Same for Anxiety.

[Alan T]

Why is Olie attacking someone something that makes her bad? I've attacked someone and I'm good. Same for Anxiety.

Your attacking someone at least had a plausible explanation for it and I could follow along your thought process pretty well. I would have likely tried to kill OG in your position rather than DC to figure out the same thing, but I at least could understand how you got to where you were.

Anxiety's kill I had a little less to follow along with, and don't fully understand it and partially wonder if there is something that he found out that he didn't fully tell us that led him to that point. With OG it was not so.. she attacked early, without much reasoning, her reasoning for it was flawed and when asked about it, she avoided the question. Then her behavior regarding the attack and what her actions were afterwards were completely opposite of what I would expect someone that had good intentions.

So yeah, I don't think being an attacker in this game necessarily makes you bad anymore, but you better have a good explanation for why you tried it.. You had one, she hasn't (for either of her two attacks now)

[path12]

No one did as far as I know.

Any idea what the R W V fairy tale book is in reference to? I looked through all of the roles, but nothing jumped out at me.

Dead asleep and R W V says Rip Van Winkle to me.

[Alan T]

Dead asleep and R W V says Rip Van Winkle to me.

Wouldn't that be RVW instead of RWV? :)

[Barkeep49]

Maybe Rip's dyslexic because I had been racking my brain trying to make sense of that and that explanation does actually make sense.

[Alan T]

Maybe Rip's dyslexic because I had been racking my brain trying to make sense of that and that explanation does actually make sense.

Well it is a better explanation than anything that I can come up with, but I don't really see how that character fits into this game.. who would be his nemesis, would he be good or bad, would it be him that put OG to sleep, or is it assuming that OG was that character? I guess I'm not really able to wrap up many loose ends with that explanation.

[Barkeep49]

Your attacking someone at least had a plausible explanation for it and I could follow along your thought process pretty well. I would have likely tried to kill OG in your position rather than DC to figure out the same thing, but I at least could understand how you got to where you were.

Anxiety's kill I had a little less to follow along with, and don't fully understand it and partially wonder if there is something that he found out that he didn't fully tell us that led him to that point. With OG it was not so.. she attacked early, without much reasoning, her reasoning for it was flawed and when asked about it, she avoided the question. Then her behavior regarding the attack and what her actions were afterwards were completely opposite of what I would expect someone that had good intentions.

So yeah, I don't think being an attacker in this game necessarily makes you bad anymore, but you better have a good explanation for why you tried it.. You had one, she hasn't (for either of her two attacks now)
Ok I'm sort of willing to buy this. Are you suggesting she's a wolf then or some other evil creature?

[Barkeep49]

Well it is a better explanation than anything that I can come up with, but I don't really see how that character fits into this game.. who would be his nemesis, would he be good or bad, would it be him that put OG to sleep, or is it assuming that OG was that character? I guess I'm not really able to wrap up many loose ends with that explanation.
We have potions and spells and stuff in this game. I viewed it more as an item some player found and cast it upon someone else.

[Alan T]

Ok I'm sort of willing to buy this. Are you suggesting she's a wolf then or some other evil creature?

Hoops said that he felt 100% sure she was not a wolf. Based on her actions, I am guessing it is some other evil creature. Since I am looking for one of the other evil creatures, its as good of place as any for me to look for now.

[Alan T]

We have potions and spells and stuff in this game. I viewed it more as an item some player found and cast it upon someone else.

Maybe she found the book and chose to read it and it put her to sleep then.. and maybe Path was right that its a dislexic title

[Telle]

I was attacked by the dragon last night, and saw that it was Mr.Wednesday.

VOTE MR.WEDNESDAY

[Alan T]

I was attacked by the dragon last night, and saw that it was Mr.Wednesday.

VOTE MR.WEDNESDAY


lol.. people just don't like you.. how many times have you been attacked so far and the attacker failed? 3? :)

You would think they would have learned by now.

[Telle]

Oh, and he has quite the nasty gash on his side now from my sword :) And he fled into Sherwood Forest.

[Telle]

lol.. people just don't like you.. how many times have you been attacked so far and the attacker failed? 3? :)

You would think they would have learned by now.

Yeah RendeR's been in quite disbelief over the luck I've had thus far :)

[RendeR]

A loud ROAR eminates from Sherwood forest, obviously someone took Telle's comments to heart and went after the Dragon!

Once collected there you find Sir lancelot standing proudly behind a table festooned with roasts, steaks and sausage....Dragon sausage.

There isn't enough of The dragon left to make soup at this point. This must have been one rediculously one sided fight as Lancelot looks even more clean, calm and pristine than ever.

The Dragon is Dead! He was Mr. Wednesday!!!

[Telle]

Good job Lancelot! Mmmm.. dragon sausage :)

[Passacaglia]

So who was Lancelot?

[SnDvls]

well I found out who had the crossbow...I just did my search while in the forest and low and behold what did I find...the crossbow next two some old dragon scales...so I guess that mystery is solved too.

I'm guessing that Mr. W's goal was eliminate one person from each pair or something.

anyhow I don't think we'll be seeing people offed w/ the crossbow today.

[Alan T]

lol.. a dragon that uses a crossbow?

This just in.. Render hates me... thats all! :)

[Alan T]

So who was Lancelot?

Well originally I had thought that Sndvls was the dragon because of his interest about who was looking for the dragon, then I thought he was Lancelot, but Hoops said that Sndvls was not his ally.. so I'm back to not knowing who Lancelot is/was.

[Passacaglia]

Am I allowed to post my exact PM, or must I switch tiny things up a bit?

Basically, she jumped me (her name, not role), and "underestimated me", and I basically kicked the shit out of her.

Out of all that, I only saw her name, not role. Not even any in-game descriptions, which is a bummer. But at least I know she's bad. Slam dunk vote today.

So even if she attacked you, she could be a villager acting on a hunch, right? Plus, I'm not sure how we can believe that you were really attacked by her. With Wednesday out of the picture...

VOTE SCHMIDTY

[Passacaglia]

Well originally I had thought that Sndvls was the dragon because of his interest about who was looking for the dragon, then I thought he was Lancelot, but Hoops said that Sndvls was not his ally.. so I'm back to not knowing who Lancelot is/was.

Hoops could have been lying. It's not like I announced it to the world when I found Buttercup. And the fact that SnDvls found the crossbow makes me think he was the one who killed the dragon -- he just doesn't want to say he's Lancelot. Dude, SnDvls, you can't get a major victory at this point anyway -- fess up and join me!

[Telle]

So even if she attacked you, she could be a villager acting on a hunch, right? Plus, I'm not sure how we can believe that you were really attacked by her. With Wednesday out of the picture...

VOTE SCHMIDTY

That's a good point. And she can't even speak for herself since she appears to be taking a very long nap.

[Passacaglia]

Hoops said that he felt 100% sure she was not a wolf. Based on her actions, I am guessing it is some other evil creature. Since I am looking for one of the other evil creatures, its as good of place as any for me to look for now.

What do you think are the victory conditions for the evil members of the triangle? Maybe to kill both of the good members of it?

[path12]

Wouldn't that be RVW instead of RWV? :)

Insomnia was clouding my brain. :D

[Alan T]

What do you think are the victory conditions for the evil members of the triangle? Maybe to kill both of the good members of it?

Well thats something I have been trying to figure out. Since the good guys have to do more than just find friends and eliminate the bad guy, they also have to find items, that seems like quite a difficult list of things to do before someone finally offs one of your two people.. I had assumed just as we were looking for our nemesis, they too were looking to kill us. But that seems too easy to me, so I am not sure what else their winning condition would be...

However since my winning condition is self-contained and has nothing to do with the dragon or evil mastermind (or even the wolves until Render added the minor victory condition), I assumed they too were the same way.. Thats why I am puzzled a bit about our dragon.. unless he was just taking pot shots at trying to find his targets, he seemed fine killing just anyone.

[SnDvls]

could the dragon's victory of been to prevent us from finding our pair and by taking out one it help him achieve his goal? just thinking out loud here.

[Passacaglia]

Well thats something I have been trying to figure out. Since the good guys have to do more than just find friends and eliminate the bad guy, they also have to find items, that seems like quite a difficult list of things to do before someone finally offs one of your two people.. I had assumed just as we were looking for our nemesis, they too were looking to kill us. But that seems too easy to me, so I am not sure what else their winning condition would be...

However since my winning condition is self-contained and has nothing to do with the dragon or evil mastermind (or even the wolves until Render added the minor victory condition), I assumed they too were the same way.. Thats why I am puzzled a bit about our dragon.. unless he was just taking pot shots at trying to find his targets, he seemed fine killing just anyone.

How was he to pick and choose who he killed? I'm wondering if he was the bad guy for Lancelot and Guinevere -- if he had to kill them both, how would he know who to go after? In that case, I can see him just killing anyone.

I guess I'm worried that if we kill an evil creature that's not a wolf, we're handing a major victory to two good guys. And I'm not one of them!

[Alan T]

could the dragon's victory of been to prevent us from finding our pair and by taking out one it help him achieve his goal? just thinking out loud here.


I just don't see how that would fit in with all of the other groupings.. Lancelot + Guinevere + bad guy would pretty much fit in with just about all of the other ones. The dragon seemed like their most likely nemesis (coupled with the fact Lancelot killed him).. I think either the dragon was taking shots at people in hopes of finding the right person, or something else is going on.

I think if the dragon had incentive to take out others besides Lancelot and Guinevere, then so did the Evil mastermind, and other bad guys.. and if so then this game is going to be even more challenging for me to win.

[Passacaglia]

Just reading over last night. That bandwagon on SnDvls was crazy! Don't we know DT is a wolf?

[Alan T]

How was he to pick and choose who he killed? I'm wondering if he was the bad guy for Lancelot and Guinevere -- if he had to kill them both, how would he know who to go after? In that case, I can see him just killing anyone.

I guess I'm worried that if we kill an evil creature that's not a wolf, we're handing a major victory to two good guys. And I'm not one of them!

I assume the bad guy has to spy on players the same way we do. I don't have any ability to hunt down the bad guys , just my friends. so the only way in the rule set I can find to hunt down who your bad guy is, is to spy on them..

However if other people's major victory conditions are like mine, I'm not worried about another pair getting a major victory.. I'm not even close to winning myself right now. I'm just trying to stay alive at this point.

[Alan T]

Just reading over last night. That bandwagon on SnDvls was crazy! Don't we know DT is a wolf?


We know DT used to be a wolf. Telle used some potion that had the description of de-wolfing him, but we aren't sure one way or another.. and DT didn't help his cause any with absolutely no explanation at all (lie or otherwise). At the end everyone was voted for Sndvls or DT except for me, And two things scared me.. the sudden bandwagon on Sndvls for absolutely no reason (like I said earlier, I assumed he was the dragon until this morning and don't really have any incentive to go after the dragon one way or another).. and then the sudden disappearance of some votes on DT (which render later admitted was just his mistake). So I saved Sndvls and sent DT back to the bog.

Now watch Sndvls be my "bad guy" that I am looking for to eliminate.

[Telle]

Just reading over last night. That bandwagon on SnDvls was crazy! Don't we know DT is a wolf?

DT was a wolf. But then I used a potion on him and he became human. I don't really know what that means within the scope of the game and win conditions and such.. but we've had a lot of weird stuff going on in this game.

I just kinda threw SnDvls' name out there as someone to look at since I didn't see any reason to send DT off to the bog at that point.. and was rather surprised that so many people followed me since it's not like I had any evidence against him or anything.

[Passacaglia]

Yeah, it was weird. So many people saying, "I dunno what to do -- might as well all pile on this guy." Yeah, watch him be bad after all that. Still seems fishy. Are we sure that DT really is human, and that there wasn't a push to protect him?

[Barkeep49]

The dragon's victory had to do with the princesses.

[ntndeacon]

my question about DT's transformation is how long is it effective. could he already have changed back to a wolf?

[Alan T]

The dragon's victory had to do with the princesses.

How do you know this? Guessing because of all of the girls that died? Are you then assuming that Telle is a princess too? The only difference there is if Mr.W had been shooting them all with the crossbow, wouldn't Telle's sword have been rather ineffective against a crossbow?

[Telle]

Yeah, it was weird. So many people saying, "I dunno what to do -- might as well all pile on this guy." Yeah, watch him be bad after all that. Still seems fishy. Are we sure that DT really is human, and that there wasn't a push to protect him?

I was told that he turned into a human. Beyond that, I dunno. Maybe the wolves wanted to protect him in case they find a potion that will turn him back? Or maybe it was just a weird pile-on.. just off the top of my head there was me who is human, Anxiety who killed the evil genius, and Mr. Wednesday who was the dragon. Seems like a pretty mixed bag.

[Telle]

How do you know this? Guessing because of all of the girls that died? Are you then assuming that Telle is a princess too? The only difference there is if Mr.W had been shooting them all with the crossbow, wouldn't Telle's sword have been rather ineffective against a crossbow?

Yeah his attack on me had nothing to do with a crossbow. He swooped in on me and tried to grab me.

[Passacaglia]

I was told that he turned into a human. Beyond that, I dunno. Maybe the wolves wanted to protect him in case they find a potion that will turn him back? Or maybe it was just a weird pile-on.. just off the top of my head there was me who is human, Anxiety who killed the evil genius, and Mr. Wednesday who was the dragon. Seems like a pretty mixed bag.

What do you mean, human?

[Telle]

Hi hair fell out, his teeth and nails shortened, and he became human.

[Abe Sargent]

Hmm interesting day thus far. Im sure it will continue to be so.

[Passacaglia]

Hi hair fell out, his teeth and nails shortened, and he became human.

Oh, I meant when you called yourself human. Do you mean you're a "good guy" or physically human? How have you been identified as either?

[Telle]

Oh, I meant when you called yourself human. Do you mean you're a "good guy" or physically human? How have you been identified as either?

I meant non-wolf. Hoopsguy identified me as not being a wolf.. and he appearantly was pretty certain about what exactly my role is.

[Passacaglia]

I thought it was oliegirl that he identified as not a wolf?

[Alan T]

If I recall correctly, Hoopsguy flat out said that he felt Telle was "good" wheras Oliegirl was just said to not be a wolf and that he knew her role but didn't see any motivation to reveal it.

Thats one of the reasons I trust Telle and don't trust OG

[Telle]

Here's what hoops said about me and my role.

Well, I have some information on Telle. I'm quite certain she is not a wolf, if that helps anyone make their decision.

She is not the droid I'm looking for, but I have no reason to believe that she is furry. I followed her because I wanted to have more information to help us make a decision on her between now and noon tomorrow.

However, I had also followed Mr. W yesterday and learned nothing at all about him. Have other people used the "spy" option so far this game and gotten meaningful results? I'm trying, in light of learning something about Telle, to determine how concerned I should be to learn nothing about Mr. Wednesday on Day 1.

Upon further review, I'm pretty confident that I can name Telle's role exactly. But I don't see any strategic advantage for me in doing so, unless it is to be underhanded and try to provide additional targets for the wolves. So I'll hold off on doing so, but will vouch for her as a non-wolf.

Just putting that out there in case someone who has an antidote feels like saving her.

[Alan T]

The other thing about Telle that makes me feel good about her is that Hoopsguy was the one with the potion that apparently saved Telle's life. I highly doubt that he would have passed that to her if she had come back as anything evil.

[path12]

Just reading over last night. That bandwagon on SnDvls was crazy! Don't we know DT is a wolf?


I thought Telle changed him back to human. That's why I didn't vote for him. I'd have rather voted Oliegirl but SnDvls had more votes and I didn't want to be seen as wasting mine.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Edit: I'd best just not say anything.

Great game RendeR, I'll be back to discuss in the postgame.

[path12]

Might as well get my vote in.

VOTE OLIEGIRL

[Telle]

Has anyone else spied upon someone or been attacked and seen who their attacker was? I can't be the only one. There is Schmidty.. but I honestly have no idea if he's telling the truth or if he was the one that attacked her and is simply taking advantage of her currently being out of commission.

And after that rush on SnDvls yesterday, I'm wondering if maybe he was actually a bad guy and some people who knew took advantage of the chance to vote for him without outting who they are and how they know??

[RendeR]

FEE FIE FO FUM!

LOOK HERE FOR THE MIGHTY DJINNI HAS COME

3 WISHES OFFERED 3 WISHES GIVEN

CHOICES HAVE BEEN MADE BY THE ONE WHO COULD MAKE THEM

FIRST AND MOST DEVIOUS, DEATH, WAS HIS CHOICE

BRAVEST AND STRONGEST FROM YOU HE HAS FINGERED

DEATH TO SIR LANCELOT, MOST POWERFUL, DELIVERED!


With a resounding BOOOOOM!!, Sir lancelot falls over. Dead.

Lancelot has been killed by the mighty Djinni, Chief Rum Was Lancelot, and he was a WOLF!

[Telle]

Whoa

[Alan T]

Good grief .. I think it is time for me to just throw away my notes :)

[RendeR]

FEE FIE FOE FUM, THE SECOND WISH IS NOW TO COME!

LIFE CAN BE TAKEN AND LIFE CAN BE GIVEN

A BALANCE THIS DAY MY POWERS HAVE RIVEN

AWAKE I COMMAND YOU! RISE AND BREATHE AGAIN.

THE MIRICLE OF LIFE I BESTOW UPON THEE.




Another resounging *BOOOOOOOOOOM* is heard and the very ground shakes with its power!

[Alan T]

Oh.. looks like someone will be rejoining us. This should be fun.

[SnDvls]

oh great now what?

[Telle]

I'm waiting to see what the third wish was. And who the heck was raised from the dead??

[RendeR]

FEE FIE FOE FUM, THE THIRD AND FINAL WISH IS BEGUN

LIFE ETERNAL IS EVERY MAN'S WISH

NO DIFFERENT ARE YOU THAN ANY OTHER MAN

BUT MAN IS AS FICKLE AS A SMALL SCHOOL OF FISH

EVERLASTING WILL YOU BE FOR ALL TO KNOW

MAY THEY CHOOSE MORE WISELY THAN THOU.

I GIVE YOU IMMORTALITY, NOW......... GO!!!!!!

With a third and final resounding KABOOOOOOM! You all look to the castle and see the most wonderous display of clouds and colors...a funnel forms and sucks up PATH12!!!

As he rises into the funnel ot glows darkly red, and focuses itself on a spot in the center of the courtyard. There amid the thunder lightning and wind now stands a glorious statue of the Black Knight, mounted on a charging warhorse.. Armor gleaming, lance at the ready.

The Black Knight was path12, he is now Immortal....and Dead.

[path12]

Aw crap. Shoulda phrased that differently. =)

[Passacaglia]

So did path get himself immortalized on his 2nd wish? Damn, we could have had more drama with his third wish! What a waste!

[Passacaglia]

Oh, wait. He used his second wish. What did that do?

[Telle]

Anybody else have that "He chose.. poorly" line from The Last Crusade stuck in their head now?

[Alan T]

Aw crap. Shoulda phrased that differently. =)


Ahhh hahah lol... oh man

[PurdueBrad]

Wassup bitches?!?! I'm back, bwhahahahahaha

[Thomkal]

I don't think there's going to be anybody alive by the end of this game. :)

[PurdueBrad]

Oh, wait. He used his second wish. What did that do?

What did that do? WHAT DID THAT DO? IT DID THE GREATEST THING THAT MAN COULD ASK FOR!!!! The return...of me. :D

Pass, who knocked us out with that grenade?

[Alan T]

So I guess the question is.. since Path was the Black Knight whom I presume to be a bad guy (maybe he was the evil nemesis of the Lancelot / Guinevere group instead of the dragon).. what are we to think of the person who got raised from the dead... Should we suspect them immediately as well?

Also.. how will we know who it is.. we don't seem to know when people leave the bog, and it appears we wont know who came back to life until they choose to let us know.

[PurdueBrad]

Man, this is great news. Great news that I'm back. So anyway, I'm back to looking for my two items.

If

[Alan T]

Oh.. PurdueBrad is back.. Good luck with him Passacaglia.. make sure you swap drinks with him :)

[Telle]

Wassup bitches?!?! I'm back, bwhahahahahaha

And you're still the Evil Mastermind?

UNVOTE MR. WEDNESDAY (redundant since he's dead)
VOTE PURDUEBRAD

[PurdueBrad]

Oops, if I could do the Chad Johnson Riverdance, I would right now. Instead, I think I'll do the Soul-ja Boy.

[PurdueBrad]

Yep, I'm back, although not sure about the evil part as somethings have changed. My win conditions still rely on me finding two items.

[PurdueBrad]

Oh.. PurdueBrad is back.. Good luck with him Passacaglia.. make sure you swap drinks with him :)

Hehe, no, I've got nothing against Pass. Actually he, NTNDeacon, and I were all ambushed essentially by somebody. And then I was killed while asleep so I'm guessing Anxiety took me out with the sleep grenade and then killed me but that's conjecture.

[Passacaglia]

I dunno who threw that grenade, PB. I guess I won't attack you if you don't attack me, PB. Which you shouldn't -- I'm beefed up now.

Anxiety said he killed you because you were quiet, and didn't put in a vote -- so if he was the one who threw the grenade in there, he didn't know what it would do.

[SnDvls]

wow!!!! things just got all shook up

[PurdueBrad]

I dunno who threw that grenade, PB. I guess I won't attack you if you don't attack me, PB. Which you shouldn't -- I'm beefed up now.

Anxiety said he killed you because you were quiet, and didn't put in a vote -- so if he was the one who threw the grenade in there, he didn't know what it would do.

No sweat Pass. Actually as I said, some things have changed. I didn't lie about my earlier win-conditions in which I needed the death of the wolves. That has changed however and no more does my role require anyone's death it looks like, it just revolves around me finding two items. This is why I'm thinking I may not be evil anymore because I don't need anyone to die (or maybe they did die and I missed it). So no attacks, in fact, you'll find that I haven't attacked anybody all game.

OH, I didn't catch why he went after me. So either he didn't no about the grenade (possible given the nature of the potions I had and the lack of info about them) or somebody else tried to take you, me, or Deacon out once and failed.

[Passacaglia]

No sweat Pass. Actually as I said, some things have changed. I didn't lie about my earlier win-conditions in which I needed the death of the wolves. That has changed however and no more does my role require anyone's death it looks like, it just revolves around me finding two items. This is why I'm thinking I may not be evil anymore because I don't need anyone to die (or maybe they did die and I missed it). So no attacks, in fact, you'll find that I haven't attacked anybody all game.

OH, I didn't catch why he went after me. So either he didn't no about the grenade (possible given the nature of the potions I had and the lack of info about them) or somebody else tried to take you, me, or Deacon out once and failed.

Probably. Buttercup is dead.

Anyway, I don't think whoever threw the grenade in there knew who he was going after -- he just wanted to mess things up. I think that was right around when cronin died, so maybe the attacker was really going after him.

[PurdueBrad]

Alright, so as a group (I can't say villagers because few of you are going to trust me) are we trying to lynch wolves?

[SnDvls]

Alright, so as a group (I can't say villagers because few of you are going to trust me) are we trying to lynch wolves?

I've been doing this from the begining

I've always been trying for a team victory first...if it so happens I get individual cool, but it hasn't been my goal.

[PurdueBrad]

Understand that this is coming from a person that lied about what he witnessed to clear this person:

vote Olliegirl

You don't have to follow me if you don't want, I understand. My initial win conditions were to eliminate/kill the wolves so that I could rule as the one true evil mastermind (jealousy angle I guess) and when I followed Olliegirl, I saw her tracks as wolf tracks. I wanted to throw suspicion off of her, build a COT around her so that she wouldn't kill me, and hoped to discover the other wolves and kill her last. So, I am essentially unclearing her, you can believe me or not. I know that Hoops saw something different. And I'll be honest, the PM didn't say "Olliegirl is a wolf," it said essentially that as you follow her, you notice that her tracks are wolf-like. It's the best chance I can take at a wolf right now.

[PurdueBrad]

Between that reveal and this, you can choose to trust me or not:

If you follow me, you'll see me doing one of two things (none of which are attacking): I will be mixing potions (I had the ability to make shield potions and poison potions before, not sure what they will be now), searching (obvious reasons).

[Alan T]

Understand that this is coming from a person that lied about what he witnessed to clear this person:

vote Olliegirl

You don't have to follow me if you don't want, I understand. My initial win conditions were to eliminate/kill the wolves so that I could rule as the one true evil mastermind (jealousy angle I guess) and when I followed Olliegirl, I saw her tracks as wolf tracks. I wanted to throw suspicion off of her, build a COT around her so that she wouldn't kill me, and hoped to discover the other wolves and kill her last. So, I am essentially unclearing her, you can believe me or not. I know that Hoops saw something different. And I'll be honest, the PM didn't say "Olliegirl is a wolf," it said essentially that as you follow her, you notice that her tracks are wolf-like. It's the best chance I can take at a wolf right now.


So if I use a truth spell on you, exactly how many lies in this quote do you expect me to find? :)

[PurdueBrad]

So if I use a truth spell on you, exactly how many lies in this quote do you expect me to find? :)

Alan, I expect you to find none.

[PurdueBrad]

I died as the evil mastermind and came back, nobody is going to trust anything I say anyway so lying doesn't really help and isn't worth the effort but like I said earlier, I get it, nobody will believe me from here on out. I guess it makes my new role (or what I think my new role is) almost impossible but hey, I'm happy to be back and post-whoring.

[Passacaglia]

Are your victory conditions the same as they were before, except that now you don't need to kill Buttercup?

[Telle]

So most likely story is that you're lying about what exactly your victory condition is and eliminating whoever Oliegirl is is part of your real victory condition.

[PurdueBrad]

Pass, Buttercup wasn't my enemy. My win-conditions are similar but I only have two things to find in order to win.

[PurdueBrad]

Telle, if we eliminate Olliegilr and she's not wolfy or if Alan uses his truth serum on my post about the PM I received leading me to believe her wolfiness, then lynch me but this is what I believe.

[Passacaglia]

Pass, Buttercup wasn't my enemy. My win-conditions are similar but I only have two things to find in order to win.

Then what WAS evil about you?

[PurdueBrad]

Then what WAS evil about you?

Two things: The potions I made (OH CRAP, ALAN, I GAVE YOU A POTION ANONYMOUSLY, DON'T USE IT!!!!!!!!!!) were 50% chance of poison, 50% chance of shield. The percentages have changed to 25% poison, 75% shield.

Secondly, the fact that I needed the wolves to die, not be lynched, but actually be killed in order to become the one true evil genius/mastermind of the realm. I assume if/when that happened, you guys would have all been subject to my rule.

[Telle]

Telle, if we eliminate Olliegilr and she's not wolfy or if Alan uses his truth serum on my post about the PM I received leading me to believe her wolfiness, then lynch me but this is what I believe.

But if we lynch her then we don't find out whether or not she's a wolf.

[PurdueBrad]

But if we lynch her then we don't find out whether or not she's a wolf.

Oh, I thought we did. Than did I misread that DT is a wolf and we found that out? Like I said, based on my info, she is one but then there may be little value in it and I've probably set myself up to be killed (again, hehe or bwahahahaha [wanted to do that all game!]).

[Telle]

We know that DT was a wolf because he attempted to attack me and I saw him. I then used a potion that de-wolfed him.

You don't learn anything upon lynching.. just upon death.

[Passacaglia]

Two things: The potions I made (OH CRAP, ALAN, I GAVE YOU A POTION ANONYMOUSLY, DON'T USE IT!!!!!!!!!!) were 50% chance of poison, 50% chance of shield. The percentages have changed to 25% poison, 75% shield.

Secondly, the fact that I needed the wolves to die, not be lynched, but actually be killed in order to become the one true evil genius/mastermind of the realm. I assume if/when that happened, you guys would have all been subject to my rule.

That seems like total crap, based on my victory conditions. It seems more like you're the Sicilian, since I needed you to die, and no one else did.

[PurdueBrad]

While in RL I am Italian, I am just evil mastermind. But Pass, if you think I'm the Sicilian, take a shot at me and put me out again.

[PurdueBrad]

I think if I was the Sicilian I would've been given a new role name. Although, as I wasn't given a new role name, I'm still the evil mastermind too. I feel like Scotty Evil at this point, I'm the Diet Coke of evil, "just one calorie, not evil enough."

[Telle]

What Pass is trying to say is that the "Evil Mastermind" is the Sicilian from The Princess Bride.

[PurdueBrad]

Ahhh, Telle, man I'm dumb and I love the movie and book and still didn't put two and two together. Thanks. Pass, sorry for my idiocy but no, Buttercup was not a target for me.

Anyway, I'll on and off for a little bit and then I'm going to a play tonight.

Let me say this though, I could've gone completely UTR, not announced my return, and wreaked havoc on the game if I was thought I was still evil. I didn't, I announced my return and have answered anything asked of me. I know I'm probably still somebody's victory condition so I don't expect to be around long but I could've stayed completely hidden and nobody would've known. Why would I come back?

[SnDvls]

Well I'm on my way home and out for the night. I have to put a vote out there.

PurdueBrad was a bad Evil Mastermind and is now a half-bad Evil Mastermind I guess from what he's saying.

I'd like to find out more from both he and Oliegirl still, but what I know is half bad is still bad so
vote PurdueBrad

[Abe Sargent]

Okay folks, time for a half reveal. I need your help.

I am a very small character, which makes me very able to to do two things. Firstly, my character is really good at the spying and secondly, it is good at dodging attacks naturally.

I don;t know about your spy actions, but mine reveal what side someone is on, but tha's it.

On Day 2, i spyed PB, and he came back on the "dark side" I attacked him and killed him

Today I spyed SnDvls, and he came back as teh same. I attacked him but failed to kill him. He knows I did so I beelive based on the pm description. I do not want to die without you folks knowing this, and I suspect SnDvls will kill me with his new action tomorrow.

So, I need someone to kill him, or vote him into the bog.

I appreciate any help I can get.

[Abe Sargent]

I'd prefer not to give any more of my role than I have to, like perfcentages on dodging attacks or my name or anything like that and I hope you can understand.

[Abe Sargent]

In fact, now that I think about it, any remainign bad guys are going to kill me, so I might as well full reveal.

I am the littlest pig, piglet. I need your help with SnDvls.

[Barkeep49]

vote SnDvls

Good enough for me. Killing the wolves seems our best bet at this point.

[Schmidty]

I trust Anxiety.

Vote SnDvls

[Abe Sargent]

Im hopin someone will kill him, but I should vote thusly as well for now.

Vote SnDvls

[Schmidty]

Oops

Unvote oliegirl

Vote SnDvls

oliegirl is still bad though.

[PurdueBrad]

unvote Oliegirl

vote SnDvls

And I echo the sentiments above me that Oliegirl is still bad. And SnDvls, even if I'm half bad, that still isn't like some of the other characters but I don't even think I'm half bad anymore. Anyway, out till late. Good luck all.