WW LXVI: Money Money Money (Game Over!)

[Mr. Wednesday]

I wasn't "guest".

[DaddyTorgo]

true. "guest" is still here.

[DaddyTorgo]

I smell hijinks

[DaddyTorgo]

strictly to avoid any last-second wolfy-hijinks. i'm going to assume that Mr. W is the wolf who will try to save himself. Of course I could be wrong. *shrug* but if I am then I'll just be piling on and there will be no save-attempt and I trust my fellow-villagers to recognize that.

VOTE MR. WEDNESDAY
VOTE MR. WEDNESDAY
VOTE MR. WEDNESDAY
VOTE MR. WEDNESDAY
VOTE MR. WEDNESDAY
VOTE MR. WEDNESDAY
VOTE MR. WEDNESDAY

[Mr. Wednesday]

VOTE DaddyTorgo
VOTE DaddyTorgo
VOTE DaddyTorgo
VOTE DaddyTorgo
VOTE DaddyTorgo
VOTE DaddyTorgo
VOTE DaddyTorgo
VOTE DaddyTorgo

[Alan T]

Vote DaddyTorgo
Vote DaddyTorgo
Vote DaddyTorgo
Vote DaddyTorgo
Vote DaddyTorgo
Vote DaddyTorgo
Vote DaddyTorgo

[DaddyTorgo]

VOTE MR. WEDNESDAY
VOTE MR. WEDNESDAY

[DaddyTorgo]

VOTE MR. WEDNESDAY
VOTE MR. WEDNESDAY
VOTE MR. WEDNESDAY

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[Mr. Wednesday]

Well-played. I should have done more votes.

[DaddyTorgo]

too bad I changed my beneficiary to SnDvls before you guys fucked me over

[DaddyTorgo]

good luck fellow villagers (assuming I buy it)

[Mr. Wednesday]

Why is that too bad?

[Mr. Wednesday]

This comes down to exactly which the deadline is: up until 10 pm, or through 10 pm.

[DaddyTorgo]

very true.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Up until 10 pm, you win and Schmidty soldiers on with the rest of my money.

[Barkeep49]

The forces of business are in motion to lynch either Alan T or Mr. Wednesday when the those two make a late push to grease certain palms to ensure that DaddyT will become bankrupt and never work in the town again. Another rich man who is now bereft of money and influence.

Winning bid:
Private Investigator: 55,000

Thanks to sndvls for pointing out my mistake about services. Night PMs coming shortly.

[DaddyTorgo]

having to make the font blue and bold on my post @ 10:01 killed me

[DaddyTorgo]

good luck guys. did what I could

[Mr. Wednesday]

Muu-ha-ha-ha-ha. :D

Thanks to whoever for blowing 55k on the PI.

[DaddyTorgo]

Muu-ha-ha-ha-ha. :D

Thanks to whoever for blowing 55k on the PI.

I was so onto you. Just didn't anticipate you'd have help. Without the help I would I have taken you out you wolfy bastard

[Mr. Wednesday]

You only would have gotten me singlehandedly because a) I went a minute early and b) I gave Schmidty too much money.

[Alan T]

I was so onto you. Just didn't anticipate you'd have help. Without the help I would I have taken you out you wolfy bastard


Sorry, was a horrible mistake.. I suddenly thought that you might have been the wolf.. I just guessed wrong..... :(














I guess no one is going to believe me at this point eh...

[DaddyTorgo]

Sorry, was a horrible mistake.. I suddenly thought that you might have been the wolf.. I just guessed wrong..... :(














I guess no one is going to believe me at this point eh...

if I was petty and making this personal I could make some choice comments about how you said you were going to be unavailable at deadline...but i'm a bigger man than that.

[DaddyTorgo]

dola

and it's just a game. No hard feelings. :)

[Alan T]

if I was petty and making this personal I could make some choice comments about how you said you were going to be unavailable at deadline...but i'm a bigger man than that.


Sorry, wasn't trying to rub anything in. Was just trying to lighten the mood. I actually did go out with the wife, and wasn't sure I would be back. If you aren't sure about it, you can check with Barkeep and find that I had left a conditional order with him regarding my money if I couldn't get back.

My apologies if I came across the wrong way, was not my intention.

[Passacaglia]

That was pathetic.

[DaddyTorgo]

Sorry, wasn't trying to rub anything in. Was just trying to lighten the mood. I actually did go out with the wife, and wasn't sure I would be back. If you aren't sure about it, you can check with Barkeep and find that I had left a conditional order with him regarding my money if I couldn't get back.

My apologies if I came across the wrong way, was not my intention.

lol nawww...it's all good man. much love...it's just a game. :D I hope you don't think I was trashing on you there. Just a little frustrated that I got sniped at the end because I couldn't click "blue+bold" fast enough

[Chief Rum]

Sonofab...I blew it. I could have done this analysis one day earlier and saved Render. Good luck villagers, but I think we might lose a money vote war here.

I certainly hope the good guys left are wise in selecting their beneficiaries.

[Schmidty]

I'm starting to associate sleeping with losing at WW. :(

[claphamsa]

WOOO GO TEAM GO

[X]- BRAAAAAINS

[Passacaglia]

Sorry, wasn't trying to rub anything in. Was just trying to lighten the mood. I actually did go out with the wife, and wasn't sure I would be back. If you aren't sure about it, you can check with Barkeep and find that I had left a conditional order with him regarding my money if I couldn't get back.

My apologies if I came across the wrong way, was not my intention.

Conditional order...why didn't I think of that?!?

[Barkeep49]

The person who didn't live to see dawn today was none other than SnDvls. His beneficiary was The Jackal

Today's items (which were mistakenly listed yesterday):
Friend at the Bank: Learn amounts all players have in the bank
Private Investigator: Will learn the side (Cutthroat or Rich) of 1 player. Must be used night 9
Government Insider: May not be bankrupted on the day won and the following day.

[Schmidty]

Bah. It's over. No sense in dragging it out.

[Barkeep49]

Bah. It's over. No sense in dragging it out.
I don't drag out games unnecessarily. If this game were over I'd have called it.

[SnDvls]

good luck good guys

[SnDvls]

true. "guest" is still here.

this could have been me on my "view only" cell phone that never really "logged" me off/out

I checked the thread while I was @ my daughter's dance class

[Alan T]

this could have been me on my "view only" cell phone that never really "logged" me off/out

I checked the thread while I was @ my daughter's dance class

I checked the thread on my phone yesterday evening too. It doesn't log me in, so I would have shown up as guest on it.

[The Jackal]

Hm. We're probably in bad shape but I have over 100k.. do we vote end game for the hell of it, or do we think that'll definitely lose it?

[The Jackal]

I'm going to work in a few minutes and a movie later but I should be around for a good amount of time before the deadline.

[claphamsa]

bout time.....

[The Jackal]

So.. have people.. given up?

[Schmidty]

Hm. We're probably in bad shape but I have over 100k.. do we vote end game for the hell of it, or do we think that'll definitely lose it?

I'm thinking that we either vote to end the game, or take out Wednesday. I'm thinking that ending the game would be better, since it would likely take mat least half of our money to lynch him (or Alan).

[The Jackal]

I'm thinking that we either vote to end the game, or take out Wednesday. I'm thinking that ending the game would be better, since it would likely take mat least half of our money to lynch him (or Alan).

And people spent a lot of money on votes yesterday, and a lot of that was wolf money, I'd say. I may be out until after the deadline, so..

vote end game

[Schmidty]

I just hope they didn't bribe you or something already.

Oh well.

END GAME

[Chief Rum]

This game is far from over. Too bad I am dead.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Hey, I saw that! :p

[Mr. Wednesday]

Dola, not that I remember what was there before BK wielded his moderatorial sword.

[Chief Rum]

Yeah, I shoulda thought more before posting that. Sorry, BK.

[Mr. Wednesday]

/me waves to Alan

[Barkeep49]

Yeah, I shoulda thought more before posting that. Sorry, BK.
No worries. I'm glad to know that you're passionate about this game even when you're dead :).

[Mr. Wednesday]

Ho, hum, let the games begin.

VOTE The Jackal
VOTE The Jackal

[Barkeep49]

Can it be 9 o'clock?

[Mr. Wednesday]

:confused:

[Barkeep49]

:confused:
Central time. I'm about to fall over from sleep exhaustion.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Gotcha.

[Alan T]

Vote The Jackal (1)
Vote The Jackal (2)
Vote The Jackal (3)
Vote The Jackal (4)
Vote The Jackal (5)
Vote The Jackal (6)
Vote The Jackal (7)
Vote The Jackal (8)
Vote The Jackal (9)
Vote The Jackal (10)
Vote The Jackal (11)
Vote The Jackal (12)
Vote The Jackal (13)
Vote The Jackal (14)
Vote The Jackal (15)
Vote The Jackal (16)
Vote THe Jackal (17)
Vote The Jackal (18)
Vote The Jackal (19)
Vote The Jackal (20)
Vote The Jackal (21)
Vote The Jackal (22)
Vote The Jackal (23)

[Mr. Wednesday]

Quiet for near-deadline.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Or not. :D

[Barkeep49]

And with that the Cutthroats win! More commentary tomorrow.

[Mr. Wednesday]

I'm mildly surprised that Schmidty was here ten or fifteen minutes ago, but not at deadline.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Woohoo! :D

[Mr. Wednesday]

I'm just going to hazard a guess that if The Jackal and Schmidty had marshalled their resources, they could have trumped our remaining cash.

Chief Rum was wrong about who got converted. I got converted the same night I stole $180k in on-hand cash from claphamsa. :eek:

He really was lying about my in-bank cash. I had cooked books that could "prove" either the real amount or an alternative fake amount corresponding to no services acquired (I had gotten the notary on the night I was bribed, as well as subsequently the lawyer and the PI).

[Alan T]

Not sure how much I will be around tommorrow because of in-laws in town, so just wanted to thanks Barkeep for the game. I had fun, and especially had alot of fun a few different points in the game (such as the day I was grilled by Hoops, the night we worked out the plan on how to bribe Mr.W and where to go next with it, and after Chief had his amazing night of ruining all of my plans trying to just keep the vote close between Mr.W and myself)...

The only main questions I had from the game was what the tiebreaker was for bids on services, and the last night Chief had Friend of the bank, did Chief purposely lie about how much we had in the bank, or was there an error somewhere from Barkeep?

As for the game mechanics.. I think the first half of the game was really difficult for the wolves, and people didn't realize that we were pretty far behind on money for a while until we did the bribe Mr.W -> Change tyrith's beneficiary -> Kill Tyrith night.. I think probably there was 4 different nights we would have lost if the villagers had voted to end the game , including after we lynched DaddyTorgo, and it was obvious Mr.W and I were wolves.

I think some of the game mechanics made it really hard to get trust for the wolves (to the point where we had to actively sell out other wolves and risk losing the money war just to gain trust), but I also think the game was pretty tough for the villagers as the numbers of people left got smaller.. By simply removing the active players, we just had to vote more than others at deadlines.. I am not sure i like the voting extra times for money thing, since it basically meant those who were here at the deadline had an advantage... Maybe if it was worked out differently to where it neutralized the Time advantage by silently doing part of the bids via PM or something, I would have liked it more..

Anyways, I enjoyed the game, and enjoyed playing with everyone.. thanks again for the fun game Barkeep.

[Lathum]

I realize it was a long time ago but I did indeed win the seer ability the first night. I was going to use it t scan hoopsguy.

[Schmidty]

I'm done.

[Alan T]

Also wanted to thank Claphasma, Mr.W and Passacaglia for being fun to play with. We had some really good and long conversations about strategy along the way. This game was far more strategic as a wolf to how we did alot of various things.. I enjoyed working with you all too.

[Mr. Wednesday]

I think a potential turning point in the game was when claphamsa said I only stole 9k from him. That number didn't make a whole lot of sense. What I had in mind to do was work out a cooked-books number that would make it look like he was OK. There were a couple of occasions where only having two people around to bid on services hurt us; I think if we could have kept Chief from getting the last FOB, he might not have been able to put the whole picture together when he did.

[Mr. Wednesday]

This was one of the more interesting moments of the game:
from: Craig Powers
to: Alan T
date: Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 10:00 PM
subject: Re: new thread
mailed-by: gmail.com
hide details Feb 14 (1 day ago) Reply

Help!

[Mr. Wednesday]

'Cuz DT had put me ahead in the vote by two votes and I'd already voted out my cash.

[Chief Rum]

He really was lying about my in-bank cash. I had cooked books that could "prove" either the real amount or an alternative fake amount corresponding to no services acquired (I had gotten the notary on the night I was bribed, as well as subsequently the lawyer and the PI).

I never lied about what I was told you and Alan had in the Bank. So either I was given bad numbers or a mistake was made somewhere.

[Chief Rum]

I think a potential turning point in the game was when claphamsa said I only stole 9k from him. That number didn't make a whole lot of sense. What I had in mind to do was work out a cooked-books number that would make it look like he was OK. There were a couple of occasions where only having two people around to bid on services hurt us; I think if we could have kept Chief from getting the last FOB, he might not have been able to put the whole picture together when he did.

Actually, the only thing the last FOB did was spur me to do the analysis I should have done earlier (and strangely enough, Alan's prompting). I reached those conclusions well before really comparing cash in the Bank to what I had in front of me. I mean, I knew that Mr. Wednesday had a ton of cash in the Bank from the PM (you don't miss a big number like that), but I knew I myself had almost $150K at that point--and that was after I spent $140K on the Underground Connection. So the cash Mr. Wednesday had didn't surprise me.

Really, I only tossed out what I had for you and Alan in the Bank to make sure the others would have more incentive to go after you two.

[Chief Rum]

This was one of the more interesting moments of the game:
from: Craig Powers
to: Alan T
date: Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 10:00 PM
subject: Re: new thread
mailed-by: gmail.com
hide details Feb 14 (1 day ago) Reply

Help!

Silly question, but are you Craig Powers? I don't actually know your real name.

What details were you trying to hide?

[Mr. Wednesday]

I'm sorry. I thought that with my challenge in-thread to BK, if he had given you incorrect numbers, he would post an in-thread correction.

My actual amount was high-$30,000 range. It was carefully worked out to agree with both the $70k amount that I had publicly posted in this thread, CD maturities, the amount you had seen me have on night 4 (after I won the notary), and winning the seer... Alan and I were kicking around the idea of me actually coming out with that and saying that RendeR wasn't a cutthroat.

[Chief Rum]

So tell me I at least scared the living crap out of you two before you went on to victory. :)

[Mr. Wednesday]

Silly question, but are you Craig Powers? I don't actually know your real name.

What details were you trying to hide?
That's just from the gmail interface. The "hide details" is for the header info that I showed so that it was obvious that it was an e-mail.

That went out the moment I realized I couldn't handle DT on my own. :)

[Mr. Wednesday]

Dola, and yes, that's my real name.

[Chief Rum]

I'm sorry. I thought that with my challenge in-thread to BK, if he had given you incorrect numbers, he would post an in-thread correction.

My actual amount was high-$30,000 range. It was carefully worked out to agree with both the $70k amount that I had publicly posted in this thread, CD maturities, the amount you had seen me have on night 4 (after I won the notary), and winning the seer... Alan and I were kicking around the idea of me actually coming out with that and saying that RendeR wasn't a cutthroat.

Yeah, I don't know what that's about it. Here's the PM:

7. Alan T 45,772
8. The Jackal 68,310
9. Chief Rum
11. Schmidty 30,000
13. SnDvls
14. Mr. Wednesday 147,325
16. DaddyTorgo

[Chief Rum]

That's just from the gmail interface. The "hide details" is for the header info that I showed so that it was obvious that it was an e-mail.

That went out the moment I realized I couldn't handle DT on my own. :)

Alan reacted fast for someone on a V-day date! :)

[Chief Rum]

You guys played terrific, and committed to the end (unlike some :( ). You had a plan and you carried it through. I was fortunate to pick on a few parts of it and draw enough connections to pick the right two, even if I didn't nail the days and the conversion and what not.

Really, Alan sorta offered up what really happened as the alternate reality, I think, in trying to argue he wasn't a wolf (he was leaving out the part where he starts as a wolf, of course). Interesting ploy.

[Lathum]

I solemly swear if AlanT ever gets this late in a game I will vote for him.

[Alan T]

Alan reacted fast for someone on a V-day date! :)

I had gotten home just a bit before that. I actually was glad no one from the BB-BBCF league was around, because when I got home, I started up the sim there, so anyone who had checked that site knew I had been home for about 12 minutes already prior to that. :)

[Alan T]

I solemly swear if AlanT ever gets this late in a game I will vote for him.

From the PMs I received from several people.. I don't think you have to worry about that. I'll be suprised to be here day 2 for a while.

[Alan T]

The only other comment I can think of to make is a few people mentioned that Mr.W and I played great down the stretch, but honestly with the game the way it was setup, we never would have gotten there without Passacaglia and Claphasma running interference earlier in the game. The only way we could go further was them making sacrifices (giving themselves up) as well as playing in a way that helped the entire team.

Pass didn't really get busted as much as he just threw himself out there on a limb.. Claphasma I think unfortunately just ended up the wrong odd man out on the wrong day.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Yeah, I don't know what that's about it. Here's the PM:

7. Alan T 45,772
8. The Jackal 68,310
9. Chief Rum
11. Schmidty 30,000
13. SnDvls
14. Mr. Wednesday 147,325
16. DaddyTorgo


Let me go find the right PM...


You won both services, obviously.

Alan has 60722 on hand and 154594 in the bank.
Wednesday has 162325 on hand and 37413 in the bank.

I think that's where we actually stood then. That's definitely the amount I had told BK to put in the bank.

I know that there were some issues for a while with figuring our money totals. I went a few days with Barkeep having the wrong total for me in the bank. However, by the time I did my books (so that I could subsequently cook them to get the "right" amount into the bank), things were straightened out in the PMs to me.
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[Passacaglia]

I *told* you guys the cutthroats would bribe Mr. Wednesday!

Anyway, to explain my exit: I said that I didn't think I would be around at deadline, which I believed at the time, so before leaving work, I passed all my cash on hand to clap. But then I managed to get on half an hour before deadline, and I wasn't sure if BK received my order to transfer my money, so I sent him a PM asking to take it back. He wasn't around to let me know if I could take it back, so we decided to try to use it anyway, and if it didn't work, it didn't matter, since I was going to die anyway. So there really wasn't anything more going on other than just trying to keep me alive -- no tricks to see who had the cash to vote or anything like that. Actually, I wouldn't have even bothered trying to save myself if path hadn't given me 65K in a CD that I couldn't transfer (thanks path :p ) -- so I was just thinking that I'd try to spend 40K, bankrupt a villager, and get to keep that 65K.

I had a feeling there wouldn't be much stopping the cutthroats as the game went on -- the ability to transfer money, as well as to bribe anyone, was just too strong. The plan (at least when I left) was to keep the money between two wolves, and if one of them was in trouble, he could pass it to the other one. So as long as there were two wolves around, they'd be fine -- and they only had to spend 100K to add one more to their numbers. I wonder if things would have been different if we had started with 30K each, which was the original plan.

Great game, BK, and I agree with Alan, that it was a lot of fun being wolves with you guys (except Mr. Wednesday -- I was never actually a wolf with him :) ). It was weird being on the same wolf team as Alan, after being on the opposite team as him last time, but definitely fun.

[Mr. Wednesday]

In case anybody's interested, this is my set of real books through day 6. My first set of cooked books omitted the total theft from claphamsa (adjusted down) and pulled out a mythical CD investment to round off one of the intermediate bank totals.

I had won the notary public (used to change Tyrith's beneficiary), the lawyer (used to look at Chief's and SnDvls's beneficiaries, ultimately useless), the PI, and the bodyguard subsequent to the stuff that I was open and forthright about.

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BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>20000</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>10000</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>Post day 1</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>15000</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num x:fmla="=D2+B3">20000</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num x:fmla="=E2+C3+H3">15000</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>Post night 1</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>5000</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>-15000</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num x:fmla="=D3+B4">25000</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num x:fmla="=E3+C4+H4">0</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>10000</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>Post day 2</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>15000</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num x:fmla="=D4+B5">25000</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num x:fmla="=E4+C5+H5">26556</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num x:fmla="=ROUND(G2*1.075^2,0)">11556</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>Post night 2</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num x:fmla="=10000+50612">60612</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>-26556</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num x:fmla="=D5+B6">85612</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num x:fmla="=E5+C6+H6">0</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>16556</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>Post day 3</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>-40002</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>15000</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num x:fmla="=D6+B7">45610</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num x:fmla="=E6+C7+H7">26556</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num x:fmla="=ROUND(G4*1.075^2,0)">11556</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>Adjustments</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>5000</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>6556</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num x:fmla="=D7+B8">50610</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num x:fmla="=E7+C8+H8">33112</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>Post night 3</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num x:fmla="=(33112-13722)">19390</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>-33112</TD><TD class=xl25 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num x:fmla="=D8+B9">70000</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num x:fmla="=E8+C9+H9">0</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>13722</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>Post day 4</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>-25005</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>15000</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num x:fmla="=D9+B10">44995</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num x:fmla="=E9+C10+H10">34133</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num x:fmla="=ROUND(G6*1.075^2,0)">19133</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>Post night 4</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num x:fmla="=E10-20000">14133</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num x:fmla="=180341-34133">146208</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num x:fmla="=D10+B11">59128</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num x:fmla="=E10+C11+H11">180341</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>20000</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>Post day 5</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>-1501</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>15000</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num x:fmla="=D11+B12">57627</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num x:fmla="=E11+C12+H12">211198</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num x:fmla="=ROUND(G9*1.075^2,0)">15857</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>Post night 5</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num x:fmla="=D12+B13">57627</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num x:fmla="=E12+C13+H13">211198</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>Post day 6</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>5000</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num x:fmla="=D13+B14">57627</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num x:fmla="=E13+C14+H14">239311</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num x:fmla="=ROUND(G11*1.075^2,0)">23113</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>Adjustments</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>-57627</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num x:fmla="=-(70700-57627)">-13073</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num x:fmla="=D14+B15">0</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num x:fmla="=E14+C15+H15">226238</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>Post night 6</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; 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BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; mso-ignore: colspan" colSpan=8 height=17>* Barkeep initially said I had 33112 on hand and 50610 in the bank going into night 3, hence the adjustments line.</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; mso-ignore: colspan" colSpan=8 height=17>* Barkeep initially said I had 46905 on hand and 32223 in the bank going into night 4.</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; mso-ignore: colspan" colSpan=8 height=17>* We had perfect agreement on the post-day-5 balance (to within a dollar, presumably involving rounding or Barkeep carrying cents)</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; mso-ignore: colspan" colSpan=8 height=17>* The highlighted red amount is (presumably) known by Chief Rum; I have to be able to justify that amount in detail.</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; mso-ignore: colspan" colSpan=8 height=17>* The highlighted orange amount is one that I may disclosed publicly on day 4, post 898. My inclination is to not worry about that; I said subsequently that I was trying to straighten my money out</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; mso-ignore: colspan" colSpan=8 height=17>(and I was), and I may be able to sell something there. Chief Rum can only prove the red number.</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

[Mr. Wednesday]

Pass, note that only one conversion was allowed. I asked about that later on.

[Passacaglia]

Pass, note that only one conversion was allowed. I asked about that later on.

Do you mean one night of conversions? The rules say 'player or players' which seems odd if it's only one conversion.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Hmm. Maybe it was only one night. Either way, nobody else was getting bribed during my tenure. :)

[Chief Rum]

Yes, the money there in red is about what I was told (I think actually I was told 44996, but piddling difference there).

So the wolves started with more individua money AND could bid on separate individual services? Those are pretty huge advantages, IMO.

[SnDvls]

Yeah, I don't know what that's about it. Here's the PM:

7. Alan T 45,772
8. The Jackal 68,310
9. Chief Rum
11. Schmidty 30,000
13. SnDvls
14. Mr. Wednesday 147,325
16. DaddyTorgo


those numbers had to be wrong because I had $10K in the bank at all times

[Chief Rum]

those numbers had to be wrong because I had $10K in the bank at all times

Man, what the heck? :confused:

[The Jackal]

I'd like to apologize for not being as much of a factor as I could. My plan all along was to rack up money with voting and just hope to lay low and then pull the end game strategy. Problem is I was away from the computer much more than I thought I would be, and so I never had a real grasp on what it was we should've been doing.

Funny thing, I think I set my bribe at 20k. :cool:

[SnDvls]

Man, what the heck? :confused:

what night was this scan again so i can pull my pm

[The Jackal]

Also, would the rich people have won if we'd done endgame when i voted it a few days ago? Just curious.

[SnDvls]

Night 4 I had $10K in the bank
Night 5 I had $10K in the bank
Night 6 I had $63K in the bank
Night 7 I had $40K in the bank

I know the scan was one of these nights

[SnDvls]

dola those are rough figures except for N4 & N5

[claphamsa]

yeah im an idiot :(

I think a potential turning point in the game was when claphamsa said I only stole 9k from him. That number didn't make a whole lot of sense. What I had in mind to do was work out a cooked-books number that would make it look like he was OK. There were a couple of occasions where only having two people around to bid on services hurt us; I think if we could have kept Chief from getting the last FOB, he might not have been able to put the whole picture together when he did.

[SnDvls]

Funny thing, I think I set my bribe at 20k. :cool:


I set mine @ $100K like I said I was doing

also I think the fact that Arles never showed as my "original" heir I should have gotten to switch it without having to pay, but I never pushed the issue and I should have.

[SnDvls]

I guess I'll add my thoughts on the game later this weekend

[claphamsa]

prety sure yeah!

[claphamsa]

This was loads of fun! It was my second time as a wolf... and my second time fuckign up and getting axed! hmmmmm

[Mr. Wednesday]

I set mine @ $100K like I said I was doing

also I think the fact that Arles never showed as my "original" heir I should have gotten to switch it without having to pay, but I never pushed the issue and I should have.
Yeah, I think Barkeep should have offered to let you change it when Arles left the game, assuming I hadn't examined it using the lawyer yet.

[claphamsa]

So my question is... how did the game end? Jackall got lynched..... I dont see a count of who was left...

[Chief Rum]

So my question is... how did the game end? Jackall got lynched..... I dont see a count of who was left...

Only SnDvls was left and the wolves had a kill with the night. So he just (rightly) assumed the game was over.

I won FOB on Days Four and Seven.

[path12]

I still can't believe I changed my beneficiary to Pass. What a moron. I had already nailed him earlier in the day and then talked myself out of it.

EDIT: To clarify, I'm the moron, not Pass.

[Alan T]

Also, would the rich people have won if we'd done endgame when i voted it a few days ago? Just curious.


Both Pass and I kept track most of the way through of how much money we estimated the villagers had. I think we figured that the village would have won if they voted end game every day except 2.. The day that we pulled the switch-a-roo on Tyrith and killed him plus the day Chief bid huge on the underworld connections. Other than that I think we would have lost the other days.

[Barkeep49]

I'm still not sure how I gave Chief the wrong FOB info, as it appears I did. I'm glad it didn't make a difference.

I really think the game was balanced since the villagers were ahead several times and could have voted to end the game. If they had listened to CR and voted to end the game basically any night they'd have won. Because of money people had in CDs the wolves were ahead Days 6 & 7, but the villagers had more money Days 5, 8, and 9. On Day 8, the villagers were ahead 2-1, but the late sniping on DT wiped out that advantage, giving them only a slight advantage on Day 9.

Alan: The tiebreaker was order people signed up. So Render signed up 4th and beat you with the 30k bid signing up 6th.

And the wolves didn't play a perfect game. For instance they neutered their own PMs gaining no strategic benefit, as I'd determined prior to the start of the game that if the PM block was used that there would be no announcement. I figured if the wolves won it, they'd just do nothing with it, or do the everybody PM option. Failing to break the tie that day could have been very costly, since bankrupting, not killing people, was the way for the wolves to get ahead in this game.

I'll point out that Arles, unlike Swaggs, did show up to play, having sent in his Night 0 orders. Swaggs was my fault and should have never been listed in the game, it should have been ntn instead.

Overall, I think the wolves did what they needed to do in order to win. It might have been slightly stacked against them, but their ability to coordinate money and bids was a significant advantage that did play out to their favor.

If there are other questions I can answer I'll do my best to answer them. I'd be particularly interested in hearing feedback about the unusual mechanics for this game (how people could be killed, it was their money which was important, voting multiple times, no unvoting, voting to end the game are some of the ones I can think of right away).

[Barkeep49]

Here's the original bribe amounts. There was definitely a nice range in amounts and the wolves only overpaid by 20k with Mr. W, far less than if they'd converted DaddyT, Tyrith, or the Jackal.

1. Lathum 100,000
2. Pass NA
3. hoopsguy 70,000
4. path
5. Render 50,000
6. Arles 75,000
7. Alan T NA
8. The Jackal 20,000
9. Chief Rum 60,001
10. mauboy 35,000
11. Schmidty 75,000
12. claphamsa NA
13. SnDvls 100,000
14. Mr. Wednesday 80,000
16. DaddyTorgo 20,000
17. saldana 42,827
18. Tyrith 20,000

[hoopsguy]

Fun game, although it just sucks to see it end with villager apathy.

Alan, add me to the list who will be gunning for you in mid/late game, at least until I see one time where it actually is a wolf setup.

Nice execution by the wolves down the stretch. Would love to play this format again, but it doesn't make sense if players are not committed to actively playing over the lifetime of the game.

[Schmidty]

Fun game, although it just sucks to see it end with villager apathy.


Nice.

[Lathum]

I agree with hoops. It sucks to put in 2 weeks in a game and have it end with the remaining good players not being active.

That being said, Friday night at 10:00 is a tough deadline and regardless of the situation in game I'm not sure I would sacrifice my social time for a game of WW.

I really thing we need to not have friday night deadlines.

[Alan T]

I agree with hoops. It sucks to put in 2 weeks in a game and have it end with the remaining good players not being active.

That being said, Friday night at 10:00 is a tough deadline and regardless of the situation in game I'm not sure I would sacrifice my social time for a game of WW.

I really thing we need to not have friday night deadlines.

For what it is worth, I think the Valentine's day deadline was a bigger issue this game than the friday night one.

[Passacaglia]

I agree with hoops. It sucks to put in 2 weeks in a game and have it end with the remaining good players not being active.

That being said, Friday night at 10:00 is a tough deadline and regardless of the situation in game I'm not sure I would sacrifice my social time for a game of WW.

I really thing we need to not have friday night deadlines.

I can get behind that -- if I the night I died were not a Friday, I probably wouldn't have passed my money, and could have saved myself. Especially since we go slow on the weekend anyway, I can see doing without Friday night.

[saldana]

barkeep,

can you clarify for me if i really had the BG service the night i died?

it would suck if i really did, as i had originally typed that i would protect myself, and then changed it to protect hoops.

[Barkeep49]

barkeep,

can you clarify for me if i really had the BG service the night i died?

it would suck if i really did, as i had originally typed that i would protect myself, and then changed it to protect hoops.
No you were out bid that night.

[claphamsa]

I didnt like the cost for unvoting.... It really beat down a lot of discussion, and random vote tossing. And once I had about 3 votes on me there was no way to talk myself out of it....

[DaddyTorgo]

For what it is worth, I think the Valentine's day deadline was a bigger issue this game than the friday night one.

I agree. We really should have thought ahead and run a longer day that day...shit...even carried it over till Monday. If I had had even one more villager in the thread with me there on V-day I might have been saved and we might have won the game.

[SnDvls]

Only SnDvls was left and the wolves had a kill with the night. So he just (rightly) assumed the game was over.

I won FOB on Days Four and Seven.

actually only Schmidty & The Jackayl were left w/ the 2 wolves I was night killed.

I was not the one giving up and assuming game over...just want that clarified

[Chief Rum]

actually only Schmidty & The Jackayl were left w/ the 2 wolves I was night killed.

I was not the one giving up and assuming game over...just want that clarified

Fair enough. Sorry to have indirectly implicated you. ;)

[Schmidty]

actually only Schmidty & The Jackayl were left w/ the 2 wolves I was night killed.

I was not the one giving up and assuming game over...just want that clarified

I didn't totally give up. I thought it was basically over. I was hardly on the computer that day, and made the wrong play; however, I resent the fact that everyone keeps saying that I was simply apathetic. I made a knee-jerk assumption, that if I could go back, I would change. I should have looked at things closer, and I admit that.

And for what it's worth, if anyone has a problem with me, PM me or call me out by name (like SnDvls did), instead of being gossiping little fucktards and moaning about me behind my back.

I was actually seriously thinking about quitting WW altogether, but I have decided that I won't. I'm going cast aside this "I'm terrible at WW" thing, and go back to what I used to be a looooooong time ago: An aggressive, obssessed, kick-your-ass player. If people don't like it, oh well. But I'll be damned if I'm going to be called apethetic and let you little weasels talk shit about me again.

Rawwwwwwwwwwwwrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[SnDvls]

Schmidty - not saying you did I should have clarified that too sorry.

[hoopsguy]

I didn't totally give up. I thought it was basically over. I was hardly on the computer that day, and made the wrong play; however, I resent the fact that everyone keeps saying that I was simply apathetic. I made a knee-jerk assumption, that if I could go back, I would change. I should have looked at things closer, and I admit that.

And for what it's worth, if anyone has a problem with me, PM me or call me out by name (like SnDvls did), instead of being gossiping little fucktards and moaning about me behind my back.

I was actually seriously thinking about quitting WW altogether, but I have decided that I won't. I'm going cast aside this "I'm terrible at WW" thing, and go back to what I used to be a looooooong time ago: An aggressive, obssessed, kick-your-ass player. If people don't like it, oh well. But I'll be damned if I'm going to be called apethetic and let you little weasels talk shit about me again.

Rawwwwwwwwwwwwrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Schmidty, I'm going to assume you are talking about me here given that you quoted my message earlier and again used the term apathetic.

I wasn't around to watch hour by hour as the deadline counted down - I saw the results. And at the deadline on the last night the only two people who were around were the wolves. Similarly, you and Jackal cast votes to end the game when there was no way to carry 60% of the vote with four players left and two clearly identified wolves still in the group.

The only way to win the game was to invest money as votes, but neither person did that. Similarly, there were no other villagers around (based on posts near the deadline) to help DaddyTorgo the night he got smoked.

I was bummed to see what I thought was a very compelling game, that could have gone either way, turn on the willingness of the wolves to show up at the deadline. If that one factor had been matched by the remaining villagers I think they win the game.

I'm sorry you are taking it personally that I said "villager apathy" lost the game. Actually, that is a crappy apology - I'm sorry for saying what I typed because it is a shitty soundbite. I should have originally posted longer thoughts, like I have now done, which invite a better conversation.

I wanted the villagers to win this game. I thought it was there to be won. It is disappointing that it did not happen. But the last thing I'm looking to do is aggravate fellow posters in the wrap-up session. I'll choose my words more carefully next time.

[claphamsa]

RRRRRAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRR

[Chief Rum]

Put me down with hoops. Schmidty is a big boy; he can take it and doesn't need to be babied.

The villagers did get apathetic at the end, and anyone who was still alive needs to accept their accountability for that. I don't frankly think it's warranted that Schmidty or anyone left in the game should go off on anyone else after how they played the end of that game.

There was another villager, but he seems to know he made a mistake and hasn't gotten all sanctimonious on us.

Schmidty, love ya man. But you're just plain wrong. Glad you said you made a mistake. Now don't go off on us for pointing it out. And I look forward to playing with you in the next game.

[Schmidty]

Glad you said you made a mistake. Now don't go off on us for pointing it out. And I look forward to playing with you in the next game.

It's one thing to politely point out that I didn't make the right play, but it's another thing for people to insinuate that I just didn't care. I don't mind people critiquing my skills, but to say that I was apathetic is almost an insult to my character.

Anyway, I got mad, said my piece, and that's that. Moving on.

[Chief Rum]

It's one thing to politely point out that I didn't make the right play, but it's another thing for people to insinuate that I just didn't care. I don't mind people critiquing my skills, but to say that I was apathetic is almost an insult to my character.

Anyway, I got mad, said my piece, and that's that. Moving on.

That's true, although in fairness, how do they know what your schedule is? They probably felt they were giving you the benefit of the doubt in saying you were apathetic, rather than you fucked up. Maybe they think most people would ratehr be seen as having been busy or not have time to care than to simply have been wrong.

[Schmidty]

That's true, although in fairness, how do they know what your schedule is? They probably felt they were giving you the benefit of the doubt in saying you were apathetic, rather than you fucked up. Maybe they think most people would ratehr be seen as having been busy or not have time to care than to simply have been wrong.

I'm not arguing anymore. I hear things about......things.

That's all I'm saying. It's behind me, so let's just let it go.

[The Jackal]

Schmidty - not saying you did I should have clarified that too sorry.

Hey, I didn't give up either.. I was trying to vote end game for several days but no one wanted to listen to me. :(

[The Jackal]

I don't like being stalled with two votes on heinz, so just to encourage something..

vote render

[claphamsa]

Wrong game you twit!

[SnDvls]

Hey, I didn't give up either.. I was trying to vote end game for several days but no one wanted to listen to me. :(

sorry but several no votes and beign very inactive tells me different