WW LXXXVI - The Charmed Ones (Game Over - Innocents Win)

[EagleFan]

The game will be a basic WW game based on the Charmed environment (Alyssa Milano... enough said). There will be some twists based upon the environment of the series to add some flavor to the game.


To start on Monday 12/1. Will send out roles that morning and the first day/night deadlines will be that evening.



Cycles will be:
Day cycle ends 9 PM EST
Night cycle ends 11 PM EST

[EagleFan]

Good:
The Charmed One(s) - Has the combined "Power of Three". Can select to use a power as defined in one of the Charmed Ones (Piper, Phoebe or Pru) to use during the night phase.

Piper - May freeze one person during the night stage keeping them from performing their night ability (see rules for Charmed ones Powers) - n/a

Phoebe - May have a premonision during the night stage (seer) (see rules for Charmed ones powers) - n/a

Pru - May attack one person during the night stage (see rules for Charmed ones powers) - n/a

Paige - Vanilla villager until one sister dies then becomes the third. May heal (BG) during the night stage after becoming a sister (See rules for charmed ones powers) Edit: Will now take over as the Charmed One(s) upon the Charmed One(s) death. Will be able to use her power of healing (BG) at night after becoming the Charmed One(s). Upon becoming the Charmed One(s) she may chose to gain either Pru's or Piper's power to chose from at night.

Leo - May heal during the night state (BG), can only be killed by a Dark Lighter

Darryl - May change the lynch vote (Duke)

Grandmother - Vanilla villager who gains the ability to PM the sisters after she is killed, does not participate in thread but can continue to discuss the game with the sisters from that point forward (unless they lose PM ability)

Innocents - Villagers



Good/Bad:
Cole - May be converted on night attack to Belthazor, gains brutal ability if converted. Wins with the final side he is on and counts towards the win conditions accordingly.



Bad:
Seer - May scan a villager during the night phase and receive potentially important information about that person

Christy - Cunning, viewed as good if scanned

Dark Lighter - Capable of killing only Leo or Paige in night action

Sea Hag - Brutal - n/a

The Source - Brutal, may also summon a dark lighter for a night kill attempt on Leo (will specify the target and kill only successful if the target is actually Leo, this counts as the night kill attempt)

Generic Demons - Demons



Objects:
Book of Shadows - Source of the Charmed ones powers. Held by one of the sisters each night and can be passed between them during the day phase. It may also be passed blindly to Leo or the Grandmother (the sisters will not know the identity of this person but can chose to make this blind pass and also get it back from in the same manner). If the demons possess the book they must also select a member to hold the book. That selection will be made during the night phase. If the person holding the book is lynched the book it will be returned to the sisters and power restored. - n/a

Vanquishing Potion - The sisters will each have a vanquishing potion (Paige will receive one if she becomes a Charmed One). These potions may be used once at night on a selected target. If the target is a demon they will be vanquished. If used on a regular villager the person will bot be harmed. If used on Cole before he is turned it will silence him for a day/night phase and will detroy his inner evil but that evil use it's brutal power to kill the person using the potion. If used on the Sea Hag the Sea Hag will be vanquished and will take out the person using the potion. Potions may be passed to other players during the night phase but it will not be specified who passed the potion. If passed to a demon the potion will be forever destroyed.



Rules:
The demons may pick one person to perform a kill during the night phase. The Seer may scan one person in search of the Book of Shadows. If the Seer is selected to perform the kill that person cannot also do a scan, a scan can be performed if the Seer is not doing the kill.

Only the dark lighter can night kill Leo. The dark lighter can only kill Leo. If the dark lighter attacks another player the attack will be unsuccessful. A dark lighter attack counts as a night kill for the demons (they can chose another demon to kill a player or the dark lighter). If someone other than the dark lighter attempts to kill Leo the attack will be unsuccessful.

If the sister carrying the book of shadows is night killed the demons will obtain it and the sisters lose their abilities along with PM rights. - n/a

If the demons posess the book of shadows they must select someone to hold onto it. If that person is either potion killed or lynched the book will be returned to the sisters and restore their powers. - n/a

The Charmed ones can perform their actions as long as three are alive and they hold the Book of Shadows. If one is killed Paige will be informed that she is a Charmed one and will complete the power of three again.

If the sisters night kill an innocent they will not be allowed to perform a night action the following night. If they kill 2 innocents they lose all powers and PM abilities.

The sisters may PM each other as long as the Power of Three exists and may perform one of their actions during the night (not one for each but one total).

The first time during the game that a sister is lynched, that sister will be healed by Leo thus causing a no lynch.



Win Conditions
Innocents win by eliminating the Demons. Major victory if the Power of Three remains.

Demons win by having a 1 to 1 ratio. Major victory if the Power of three does not remain.

[EagleFan]

1. The Jackal
2. RendeR - lynched day three (Paige)
3. Lathum - Cole
4. jeheinz72
5. hoopsguy
6. Barkeep49 - lynched day two (The Source)
7. PackerFanatic - night killed, night 3 (The Charmed Ones)
8. Danny - night killed, night 2 (innocent)
9. Chubby - lynched day four (Christy)
10. Hannibal Lecter - lynched day one (innocent)
11. Chief Rum - brutal killed day two (Leo)


Rule Alterations for Small Game
Rule Changes Declared for Small Game (http://operationsports.com/fofc/showpost.php?p=1896137&postcount=54)

Story Board
It begins (Evening at P3 turns deadly) (http://operationsports.com/fofc/showpost.php?p=1896181&postcount=57)
The dreadful evening continues (http://operationsports.com/fofc/showpost.php?p=1896584&postcount=81)
The longest day will not stop (I knew I shouldn't have joined a Greatful Dead cover band) (http://operationsports.com/fofc/showpost.php?p=1896689&postcount=87)
The Book of Shadows has arrived (http://operationsports.com/fofc/showpost.php?p=1896726&postcount=94)

Day One Results (We're not getting the band back together) (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showpost.php?p=1897111&postcount=173)
Night One Results (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showpost.php?p=1897235&postcount=190)

Not the Roadie!!! (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showpost.php?p=1897282&postcount=207)
We know Norm didn't do it... (http://operationsports.com/fofc/showpost.php?p=1897361&postcount=220)
She lives... (http://operationsports.com/fofc/showpost.php?p=1897485&postcount=239)

Day two results (epic influence on the game) (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showpost.php?p=1897844&postcount=278)
Night Two Results (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showpost.php?p=1897925&postcount=297)

The missing bouncer? (http://operationsports.com/fofc/showpost.php?p=1898200&postcount=327)
Screams from the Hostess (http://operationsports.com/fofc/showpost.php?p=1898340&postcount=338)

Day three results (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showpost.php?p=1898474&postcount=374)
Night Three Results (Could this be the end?) (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showpost.php?p=1898586&postcount=394)

How can you go on? (http://operationsports.com/fofc/showpost.php?p=1898946&postcount=469)

Day four results - The final battle (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showpost.php?p=1899128&postcount=487)

[PackerFanatic]

Mmmm...Alyssa Milano.

[Hannibal Lecter]

Can I be piper?

[RendeR]

Can I DO piper?

[RendeR]

And Alyssa? Twice?

[The Jackal]

I've stumbled across this show many a time during a lazy afternoon and not changed the channel because of Alyssa Milano.. I'm in.

[RendeR]

sign me up.

[Lathum]

in

[EagleFan]

Whoever ends up with Alyssa's character be careful around RendeR if he starts giving you THAT look. ;)

[jeheinz72]

Tentatively sign me up, presuming it starts post-Thanksgiving and conditionals are ok for night actions

[hoopsguy]

I think I'll be able to play post-Thanksgiving as well.

[Barkeep49]

My brother has always been the charming one of the two of us. Despite this clear handicap I will play.

[EagleFan]

I really don't see this starting until after Thanksgiving. I wouldn't want to start it for a couple days and then take a long holiday break, that would kind of kill the momentum of the game.

Yes, conditional night orders are completely acceptable. I know it can be tough trying to fit the game into one's schedule so I want this to be as user friendly to everyone as possible.


(edit: oh well, the blue didn't stand out enough)

[PackerFanatic]

I know far too much about Charmed, I hardly needed the descriptions.

As the women on that show make it enjoyable to watch...very enjoyable...

*ahem* I am in.

[Danny]

As long as it is after thanksgiving you can sign me up too.

[Chubby]

Count me in.

I won't admit that I should basically copy and paste PF's post... or that the fiancee and I have seasons on DVD.

[Chubby]

No Source? No Demon who projects fears (no i'm not going to wiki to find his name)? No leprechauns?

I know way too much about Charmed...

[Hannibal Lecter]

Very interesting..... no source? as chubby said! How could I not play this game :D

[Chief Rum]

Sure, put me in. Only after holiday, of course, but that seems to be the case, so no worries.

[The Jackal]

Nice. Keep 'em comin.

[EagleFan]

Would love to see around 20 or more in the game (so we can get all characters into the game). I'll keep the sales pitch goinbg throughout the week to see if we can get there.

[jeheinz72]

Hey gang, bad news. I guess clap (aka Hannibal Lecter) can't access FOFC at work anymore. So he asked me to let you guys know he can't play anymore.

[Lathum]

that sucks.

did he try the bypass link?

[jeheinz72]

No, what is it? I had never heard of that before. Let me know and I'll send it his way.

[PackerFanatic]

Hey gang, bad news. I guess clap (aka Hannibal Lecter) can't access FOFC at work anymore. So he asked me to let you guys know he can't play anymore.

I knew it!

[Barkeep49]

No, what is it? I had never heard of that before. Let me know and I'll send it his way.
75.126.153.96/fofc/

[jeheinz72]

Molto bene BK. I'll pass it along. Hopefully it does the trick.

[Hannibal Lecter]

:)

[Hannibal Lecter]

Anyone know how to get my chat working as well :)

[Lathum]

Anyone know how to get my chat working as well :)

no, but you are welcome.

[Lathum]

actualy, try going to AOL.com and on the left side you can launch the AIM application from there

[Hannibal Lecter]

Lathum, is teh awesome! :)

[Lathum]

Lathum, is teh awesome! :)

I'm a master of finding ways around doing actual work

[Hannibal Lecter]

A good skill to have I guess!.... It was not a good Monday morning to find out I have no access to about 50% of the websites i go to regularly! This is the only one that REALLY matters tho... I can do my fantasy hockey from home!

[Hannibal Lecter]

I knew it!


U knew I got blocked? lame!


:popcorn:

[Schmidty]

I miss WW. I've never even heard of the show this is based on, and I'll be too busy to play because of the holidays (work), but I really do miss playing.

[Hannibal Lecter]

u never heard of charmed??????????????????/ top 5 TV show EVER!

[EagleFan]

I miss WW. I've never even heard of the show this is based on, and I'll be too busy to play because of the holidays (work), but I really do miss playing.

Sign up, you know you want to.... :) And bring the Mrs as well.

[The Jackal]

u never heard of charmed??????????????????/ top 5 TV show EVER!

drugs are bad

[Hannibal Lecter]

drugs are bad'


so are islamic venzualeans! and funky cheese!

[Danny]

My wife is awaiting board approval, but she wants to play as well.

[Lathum]

My wife is awaiting board approval, but she wants to play as well.

nice!

they have been having alot of spam problems with new accounts, you may want to PM Ryan S or BenELou to facilitate the process.

[Alan T]

My wife is awaiting board approval, but she wants to play as well.


You all are so daring allowing your wives to sign up and play. I don't think I could ever do that.. I don't think she even knows the name of this place though so I probably am ok.

[Barkeep49]

Your wife, who lets you play EU3 every Sunday, has always seemed pretty cool to me Alan.

[RendeR]

You all are so daring allowing your wives to sign up and play. I don't think I could ever do that.. I don't think she even knows the name of this place though so I probably am ok.


Foolish mortal. Never assume. never ever assume. They're everywhere =) and they know where you sleep.

[Alan T]

Your wife, who lets you play EU3 every Sunday, has always seemed pretty cool to me Alan.

Oh, I didn't mean that at all. She definitely is great to me. She doesn't complain about my nightly sports-sim leagues that I run, my softball team, or my bowling league or the various times I go off to play football or basketball. She doesn't mind me watching football all day Sundays either.. so I have no reason at all to complain about her.

I meant more.. knowing my luck if I played a WW game with her, I would end up saying something that hurt her feelings and end up sleeping on the couch for two weeks! I highly doubt WW is her cup of tea anyways. She doesn't usually get into those type of games very much.

[EagleFan]

Hopefully we can get a few more so I won't have to cut back on the roles. I will have the roles out Mondahy morning and day one will begin after that.

[hoopsguy]

May as well get this out now - my schedule is likely to be pretty tough this coming week. I'll participate the best I can, but likely will have a lot less daytime availability than my norm.

[Chief Rum]

Hopefully we can get a few more so I won't have to cut back on the roles. I will have the roles out Mondahy morning and day one will begin after that.

Will Day One end Monday night? Because if so that could be a problem for me with roles going out early Monday morning. I would then have just a few minutes Monday evening after coming home from work to see my role and read the thread.

[EagleFan]

Day one is going to end up ending on Tuesday as it looks like I may not get the roles out as early as I had hoped for tomorrow. Have to go get some sleep now and will get the roles out in the morning.

It will take a bit longer as I need to tweak some of the roles due to the smaller number of participants than I had hoped (I hoped this would have worked really well with around 20).

[EagleFan]

In a meeting for a couple hours, will try to get everything together and send as soon as possible. Will accept new players up until I post that I will be sending out roles.

[EagleFan]

I will be updating the rules and roles a bit to help adjust the game down to the small number of players.

Summary:
- All roles cannot be used, this would lead to a mass reveal to find the demons.
- The Charmed Ones will be one entity, that person will have have the sister's abilities (basically functioning as a seer but some other aditional abilities)
- The Paige role will exist to take over for the "Charmed One" if that person is killed but with very limited abilities
- The Sea Hag role will be changed to The Source and have brutal ability plus an ability to summon a dark lighter for an attempt on Leo
- The Book of Shadows will be downplayed and only be included to add some of the game's atmosphere

I hope this does not dissapoint many or take away from the game but it was in serious need of overhaul with only 11 players in the game. I would love to have a full size version of this to see how it would play out but I hope this game turns out fun for all.

[EagleFan]

Roles to be sent out shortly. After all roles are sent there will be a post to begin the game and it will be game on.

[Chubby]

I'm working tonight 1-10:30pm EST but I'll be online after that.

[EagleFan]

As evening turns into night the alcohol flows and the music blares at P3. You have all come out to relax, enjoy the night and maybe find a special someone for the night. The last thing on most minds is what was about to happen.

As the band wraps up it's last number and leaves and as the few remaining guests finish off the last of their Mojitas the night takes a drastic turn for the worse. A blood curdling scream is followed up with moments of pannick and chaos.

Not knowing what is happening you turn and run for the nearest door. You try to leave but the door does not budge. Confusion, pannick, choas, your world has gone into disarray but you do not even know why.

Everyone begins to calm and the body comes into focus, or at least parts of a body. The lead singer of the group which was entertaining the crowd just moments before was now impaled upon a spike in the middle of the stage. Oddly no-one know just what happened or who did it. Stories become hazy as some remember seeing him flinging through the air and landing on the spike which was part of the stage set they had used. No-one know who is responsible or why. Everyone knows the feeling at the pit of their stomach is one of disghust, confusion and pure terror as they now find themselves unable to leave the club and unaware of the danger which awaits them.

Just as things could not get stranger you hear a statement echo though the club "You did this!", the sounds of a struggle followed by a flash of light and a puff of smoke. As you turn there is only a bit of smoke arrising from the floor and a large burnt section on the floor with a few ashes remaining.

A shadowing figure comes into focus. The only recognizable feature is a tatoo of an eagle on his left arm. "We are stuck here, there are just two ways out. Die or eliminate those responsible." In a flash he is gone. What do you do next?

[EagleFan]

Roles sent, those not receiving are venilla villagers.

Game on.


Day one deadline is Tuesday Night 9 PM EST.

[The Jackal]

I guess I'm vanilla, then. Hopefully you can run this game again with more participants.

[Hannibal Lecter]

I guess I am also a vanilla!

We should make a vanilla wolf souffle!

[Hannibal Lecter]

As a point, has the front page been updated? IE there is still a Leo character? This is incredibly powerful, since only one person can kill him...

[Hannibal Lecter]

And how in the hell have I made almost as many posts as the mod :(

[jeheinz72]

Checkin in as a vanilla as well.

[hoopsguy]

Guess no PM means that I'm not one of the cool kids (on either side) this time around.

[Barkeep49]

It always makes me insecure to not receive a PM at the start of a game.

[EagleFan]

As a point, has the front page been updated? IE there is still a Leo character? This is incredibly powerful, since only one person can kill him...

There may or may not be a Leo but the demons have some additional ways to deal with that as well.

[Hannibal Lecter]

oh, ok, thanks EF.

[PackerFanatic]

No PMs = no fun.

Checking in.

[EagleFan]

I could send out a mass email to the vanilla villagers.... ;)

[jeheinz72]

I know I'd like one.

I'm lonely.

Hold me.

[Hannibal Lecter]

as long as your in a big pot!

[Hannibal Lecter]

Soooo. anything?

[RendeR]

Hrmf, no PM for me either =(, Some birthday this turned out to be *pouts*

[PackerFanatic]

You're old, Render.

Happy birthday :)

[EagleFan]

It's good to see someone turn 40 before me. :)

[The Jackal]

How many liars you think we have so far?

[RendeR]

How many liars you think we have so far?


"Everybody lies." - Gregory House

[RendeR]

You're old, Render.

Happy birthday :)



*Sigh* I know. And thanks =)

[Barkeep49]

How many liars you think we have so far?
Great question. Since you asked it I won't vote for you, but instead the second liar.

Vote Hannibal

[Chubby]

Checkin in, vanilla villager here. Not sure what to make of the setup (how many of us vs how many demons) quite yet

[EagleFan]

Your day continues, almost as if in slow motion following the horrible event which you have witnessed. What seems like hours has been but just minutes as you attempt to understand the events which have unfolded in front of you.

It almost appears super-natural, as if there was some evil force behind the killing and that force has now trapped you within the walls of P3. The club which has beared witness to some of your greatest nights now appears to be your prison and could be your grave.

The silence is again broken as a body drops from the ceiling and erupts into flames. It was the drummer. You cannot erase the terror in his face as he ignited into his demise. What is doing this? What does it want? Are you next?

[Chief Rum]

Hmm, still getting a read on things. Interesting ruleset. Not really a big fan of the show, except when they're showing a lot of cleavage (but I don't go out of my way for it, like, say, Packer Fanatic :D ).

Oh, vanilla-olio.

[The Jackal]

I like the way BK's response jived.

Vote Hannibal

[Danny]

Didn't even realize this started as I expected an email stating I got a PM when it did.

Considering this, I'm going to assume I get to pick whichever character I want to play, I would like to be a super seer with the ability to scan each player and find out what color underwear they are wearing.

Night 1, please scan The Jackal

Also, Sorry my wife never signed up, we were really busy all weekend and forgot to, maybe a future game.

[Chief Rum]

Ok, so what are Barkeep and The Jackal driving at, and why are they linking themselves to one another and against a third so openly at the start?

I don't know who's telling lies here, but it seems to me to be an odd decision to make so early in the game, when the only ones in the game who likely know anything also have furry pelts and pointy teeth.

[Hannibal Lecter]

What the hell!

vote BK!

[EagleFan]

The day continues to crawl in slow motion. Who can comprehend the events of the day? Why have such horrible things occured? One's worst nightmares could not have imagned what has happened. One's worst nightmares seem like a sweet dream compared to today's events.

Close your eyes and pretend that nothing has happened. Close your eyes and try to forget. You cannot. You feel evil all around. It is getting closer. It almost has you in your grip.

The lights blink. Another scream. Guitar picks scatter through the room. Something rolls off the stage. Something that you will see whenever your close your eyes for the rest of your life. The guitar player's bodiless head rolls to a stop in the dance floor.

You run but do not move. You are frozen in terror. Can you take any more? Can death be better than this? Are you next?

[EagleFan]

Going forward I will use this color for answers to questions, clarification of events, vote updates and general posting. The red will be storyline related only.

[EagleFan]

As of post 88:

Hannibal Lecter 2 - Barkeep49 (79), The Jackal (83)
Barkeep49 1 - Hannibal Lecter (86)

[Chief Rum]

Heading off to work. I'll be back about an hour before deadline.

[PackerFanatic]

Hmm, still getting a read on things. Interesting ruleset. Not really a big fan of the show, except when they're showing a lot of cleavage (but I don't go out of my way for it, like, say, Packer Fanatic :D ).

Oh, vanilla-olio.

Hey, I never said I went out of my way for it! :-P

[jeheinz72]

Hrm, there's breaking eggs to make an omlette and then there is two give-and-go votes for the same person late at night.

I'll be around today. Still ruminating on possibilities.

[Barkeep49]

Our posts were, I'll point out, hours apart. I voted because it was time to start that discussion.

[EagleFan]

Another break in the silence. This one is not a scream but rather the sound of movement, the sound of discovery. The bass player comes forward from the corner of the room carrying something.

"Look! It's some kind of book. A Book of Shadows? I have found this in the back room. It tells of thing. It tells of evil things. It speaks of demons, warlocks and witches. It speaks of spells and potions and powers. Could this"

Darkness, a scream. A flash of light. The sound of something falling to the ground. The sound of footsteps hurrying from the room. Silence.

The lights return. There is a small puff of smoke in the center of the room. This time it is coming from the lit object held tightly in the lips of the bass player. He is alive and attempting to calm his nerves the only way he know how (he is in a band after all) but the book is gone.

"Just get it over with already." He mumbles.

[jeheinz72]

Our posts were, I'll point out, hours apart. I voted because it was time to start that discussion.

Yeah, I know. Like an hour and a half.

I mean on one hand, it's an overt move. But it's also so overt, especially on the part of Jackal that it's too foolish for someone to actually do.

Then again, we just saw a game where a wolf basically had a Day One pissing match with the Duke so maybe the scale of how-far-will-wolves go has tilted.

Like I said, still ruminating on if it's worth getting into those votes today or not.

Why Hannibal BK? Because he was the first checker-in'er that wasn't Jackal?

[Danny]

Vote Lathum

No good reason, will most likely change it assuming I get a chance to log in after work and before class.

[PackerFanatic]

VOTE CHIEF RUM

A fun day one vote for no particular reason (other than he inferred I watch Charmed for reasons outside of the glorious, glorious cleavage :-P)

[Hannibal Lecter]

VOTE CHIEF RUM

A fun day one vote for no particular reason (other than he inferred I watch Charmed for reasons outside of the glorious, glorious cleavage :-P)

No need to be ashamed PF... Even an old man like me can see that the sisters are absolutely... Delicious!

[Barkeep49]

Why Hannibal BK? Because he was the first checker-in'er that wasn't Jackal?

Exactly. Seems like a good of a reason as any for a D1 vote.

[Hannibal Lecter]

So becasue i checked in second? I could see voting or the first one... unless the first one is a fellow wolf.....

[Lathum]

Just got a PM, I had no idea the game started.

I see I already have a vote . Nice.

VOTE HANNIBAL LECTER

[Hannibal Lecter]

Why is everyone voting for me? I thought we got this out of our systems months ago!

[jeheinz72]

Why HL, Lathum?

[PackerFanatic]

You thought changing your screen name would actually help you :)

[Hannibal Lecter]

no, did it for the Halloween game, and its fun :)

Maybe ill change again in a year!

[Lathum]

Why HL, Lathum?

Danny voted for me so I put a third vote on HL to put a little distance there.

[Hannibal Lecter]

Danny voted for me so I put a third vote on HL to put a little distance there.
since there is 8 hours till deadline... you know good to solidify the day one vote early, just to make sure we cant get anything useful.....:banghead:

[EagleFan]

As of post 107:

Hannibal Lecter 3 - Barkeep49 (79), The Jackal (83), Lthum (101)
Barkeep49 1 - Hannibal Lecter (86)
Lathum 1 - Danny (96)
Chief Rum 1 - PackerFanatic (97)

[jeheinz72]

I'm loathe to bring up a new option, so I think I'll spice this up

Vote Chief Rum

[The Jackal]

I don't really have much to add, it's a first day feeler vote, just hoping we get lucky and/or get some good info. No particular prejudice against HL.

[RendeR]

I like early ties, lets see who moves to do what:

VOTE CHIEF RUM

[Barkeep49]

I'm loathe to bring up a new option, so I think I'll spice this up

Vote Chief Rum
I'm all for spicing things up, but was CR, who isn't around to defend himself, the best way to create meaningful movement?

[EagleFan]

As of post 111:

Hannibal Lecter 3 - Barkeep49 (79), The Jackal (83), Lathum (101)
Chief Rum 3 - PackerFanatic (97), jeheinz72 (109), RendeR (111)
Barkeep49 1 - Hannibal Lecter (86)
Lathum 1 - Danny (96)

For the record, Tie = No Lynch

[jeheinz72]

I'm all for spicing things up, but was CR, who isn't around to defend himself, the best way to create meaningful movement?

He'll be around before the deadline. And it's not like he needs to defend a basically baseless Day One vote. Additionally, and I mean no offense to CR, but are we just never supposed to vote for him? He and I are never on at the same time, like...ever.

With that said, I did consider that fact. But my other options were

You
Lathum
Hannibal
New candidate

The last two I wasn't going to do. I don't like the idea of voting for you BK, since honestly, you were the first voter. Sure wolves vote first, but I'll at least give you an out since you had the nuts to vote. So it's Lathum or CR. I picked CR

[PackerFanatic]

No word yet from Chubby, Hoops, or CR either (although both CR and Hoops said they'd be busy during the day)

[hoopsguy]

Yep, had time for a quick check-in, but I'm likely not going to be reading/posting until sometime after 5PM (CST) today.

[Lathum]

I'm on board with Heinze. Not only because he didn't vote for me but CR gets a pass WAY to much early in these games ( due to no fault of his own)

[Hannibal Lecter]

unvote BK
Vote Lathum

It makes no sense to move to a 3-1 vote spread at this point, and this should make it a 3 dog race!

[Lathum]

It makes no sense to move to a 3-1 vote spread at this point, and this should make it a 3 dog race!

How can you say it makes no sense?

There are only 11 people playing so almost half the people had cast their vote.

I had to vote for someone and without any info why not try and put some distance between myself and someone else.

Where do you think I should have voted?

[Lathum]

As of post 111:

Hannibal Lecter 3 - Barkeep49 (79), The Jackal (83), Lathum (101)
Chief Rum 3 - PackerFanatic (97), jeheinz72 (109), RendeR (111)
Barkeep49 1 - Hannibal Lecter (86)
Lathum 1 - Danny (96)

For the record, Tie = No Lynch


unvote BK
Vote Lathum

It makes no sense to move to a 3-1 vote spread at this point, and this should make it a 3 dog race!

Your vote makes absolutly no sense and screams you and CR may be in cahoots and you are trying to swing things to me.

Why on earth would you vote me giving me 2 votes and keeping you and CR at 3 each. Could it be because a tie equals no lynch?

Why wouldn't you vote CR, putting him ahead?

Your vote smells really bad to me.

[Hannibal Lecter]

Ok, missed the only 11 players part ;)

Still you did everything you could to put me on the line, with tons of time before lynch. why would you do that if you didn't have something to gain!

I didnt vote for CR, because you are playing like a wolf, and therefore make more sense to vote for! I can switch my vote later if need be.

[Lathum]

Ok, missed the only 11 players part ;)

Still you did everything you could to put me on the line, with tons of time before lynch. why would you do that if you didn't have something to gain!

I didnt vote for CR, because you are playing like a wolf, and therefore make more sense to vote for! I can switch my vote later if need be.

you can't be serious.

I did everything I could to put you on the line?

No, I did everything I could to protect myself, my vote had to go somewhere!

Please by all means, tell me what a better option would have been for me?

[Lathum]

Heinze, I see you lurking, what do you think?

[Hannibal Lecter]

You dont need to protect yourself when its 9 hours to deadline... If it was 830 and 2 no voters then fine that would make sense. your trying to railroad me!

[Hannibal Lecter]

Where should you have put your vote? I think the BK and Jackyl thing didnt make a whole lot of sense to me!

[EagleFan]

As of post 124:

Hannibal Lecter 3 - Barkeep49 (79), The Jackal (83), Lathum (101)
Chief Rum 3 - PackerFanatic (97), jeheinz72 (109), RendeR (111)
Lathum 2 - Danny (96), Hannibal Lecter (118)

For the record, Tie = No Lynch

[jeheinz72]

Heinze, I see you lurking, what do you think?

I think I don't understand why HL chose to vote for you rather than putting CR ahead of him by a vote.

Again, it's one of those things that's so overt that who knows.

I also think we surely have a wolf in our sights with the 3 candidates we have, not that it's saying much.

I'm watching/reading. My vote is moveable, but I need a real reason to do it.

[Lathum]

You dont need to protect yourself when its 9 hours to deadline... If it was 830 and 2 no voters then fine that would make sense. your trying to railroad me!

I don't need to defend a vote that I made to protect myself, regardless of how far out the deadline is.

You not voting CR right now stinks.

[Lathum]

The bottom line right now is if Hannibel had voted CR it makes it 4-3-1, CR then comes back and votes HL making it 4-4-1 with 2 deciding voteres in place, plus danny who could switch off of me.

HL clearly didn't want that run off, so he bought me into the mix, hoping he could turn things to me, but why did he do that?

[RendeR]

Come on Lathum, you know Hannibal isn't too bright. I mean sheesh, he eats PEOPLE instead of perfectly delicious COW.

[Barkeep49]

Come on Lathum, you know Hannibal isn't too bright. I mean sheesh, he eats PEOPLE instead of perfectly delicious COW.
He says to the guy who doesn't like the taste of meat.

[Danny]

Hmmm, three candidates. My vote was simply a biased random pick, but for now I will keep it there. It's quite possible that I make a change before I leave for class though.

As for analysis, I think we have a good set of candidates emerging with Hannibal, Chief and Lathum. I'm leaning against Chief at this point

[Chubby]

random.org says my day 1 vote winner is...

Vote jeheinz72

(just got home from work)

[Lathum]

random.org says my day 1 vote winner is...

Vote jeheinz72

(just got home from work)

dude...

[Barkeep49]

To me you lose your right to make a random.org vote of anybody at this point. If you're going to random it up at least narrow it down to the three candidates with a vote at this point.

[Danny]

I don't think he has read up on what has happened yet. I imagine he will change his vote.

[Chubby]

I don't think he has read up on what has happened yet. I imagine he will change his vote.

Yah, trying to do too many things at once while getting ready for cards...

[Chubby]

Unvote jeheinz
Vote Chief Rum

I don't put any weight into day one shenanegans until day two (at least then I have something to go off of with the nights results)

[Danny]

Unvote Lathum
Vote Hannibal

This looks like it will come down to Chief/Hannibal now and I would prefer to keep it close.

[Danny]

Unvote Lathum
Vote Hannibal

Fixed

[Danny]

Hannibal Lecter 4 - Barkeep49 (79), The Jackal (83), Lathum (101) Danny (140)
Chief Rum 4 - PackerFanatic (97), jeheinz72 (109), RendeR (111) Chubby (138)
Lathum 1 - Hannibal Lecter (118)

[Barkeep49]

So figure Hannibal goes for Rum and vice versa. Who is the 11th player? We need someone to man up and break the tie, yo.

[Hannibal Lecter]

I don't need to defend a vote that I made to protect myself, regardless of how far out the deadline is.

You not voting CR right now stinks.

WHY, hes done nothing to attract my suspicion, and if it comes down to it, I can switch my vote to save myself later!

[Danny]

Your vote on Lathum is the only one now, might as well switch it.

[Hannibal Lecter]

So figure Hannibal goes for Rum and vice versa. Who is the 11th player? We need someone to man up and break the tie, yo.
yep, I will switcharooo if I need to.... but Lathum stinks!

[Hannibal Lecter]

eh, no point in not switching now... no other votes on wolfum

unvote lathum
vote CR

sorry bud

although if people wanna vote lathum i could switch back :)

[RendeR]

He says to the guy who doesn't like the taste of meat.


See I KNEW you were a smart guy ;)

[jeheinz72]

I'm out for the day, I see no real reason to change my vote. We should learn a good amount win or lose here I"d think.

Tally ho fellows.

[EagleFan]

As of post 148:

Chief Rum 5 - PackerFanatic (97), jeheinz72 (109), RendeR (111), Chief Rum (138), Hannibal Lecter (146)
Hannibal Lecter 4 - Barkeep49 (79), The Jackal (83), Lathum (101), Danny (140)

[Danny]

I'm leaving for class, won't be back until after deadline. Looks like Hoopsguy will decide the lynch unless someone switches :)

[hoopsguy]

Post #138 is by Chubby, not Chief Rum voting for himself.

[hoopsguy]

Given the choice between the two candidates, by a small margin trust the group on Hannibal more than the group on Rum. So I'm inclined to vote with this group, knowing that it makes zero difference if we have two villagers showing down.

In doing so, I'm basically hanging Hannibal because Rum will break the tie if/when he shows up by voting for Hannibal.

There are about two hours left for someone to change this direction if they feel strongly about doing so.

VOTE HANNIBAL LECTER

[Hannibal Lecter]

:(

[Barkeep49]

Not sure how I feel about that vote considering the possibility of a tie if CR doesn't show for some reason.

[hoopsguy]

BK, I'm probably going to be on the road home as deadline approaches. So I guess I would hope someone would be around in the last hour to move it.

I'm willing to be talked in the other direction if someone offers up a compelling argument in the next 5-10 minutes. But after that I'm going to be in my car as the deadline rolls upon us all.

[Barkeep49]

I don't have a reason for you to vote elsewhere. My vote's on Hannibal and as I try to do, I keep D1 votes where they start, since changing is no more or less accurate generally than an initial guess. But I'm also not a fan of ties which lead to no lynches.

[Hannibal Lecter]

:(

[Hannibal Lecter]

so jakyl and lathum......

[RendeR]

My vote is movable, who do we want to lynch? I wanted a tie early to get things moving a bit but no lynch is not acceptable today.

[Barkeep49]

We still have a little wiggle room. Hopefully CR makes it back in the next 20 minutes or so.

[Barkeep49]

And by 20 minutes I mean 10.

[Hannibal Lecter]

and by wiggle you mean all switch to lathum?

[RendeR]

Whats your move Rummy?

[Chief Rum]

Okay, I was delayed at work, and now I see the village EXACTLY the wrong game to decide to go after me early. Don't make me reveal. Change your vote. Now.

[Barkeep49]

Chief: You should change your vote.

[Chief Rum]

Sigh...

VOTE HANNIBAL LECTER

[Chief Rum]

Chief: You should change your vote.

You mean, I should vote? I haven't voted yet. Have you been under the impression I had?

[Chief Rum]

I mean, now I have voted. But I hadn't voted yet when you posted. Pure self-defense move.

[Chief Rum]

Okay, I was delayed at work, and now I see the village EXACTLY the wrong game to decide to go after me early. Don't make me reveal. Change your vote. Now.

There should be a chose in between village and exactly in the above statement.

[Hannibal Lecter]

:'(

[Chief Rum]

:'(

Sorry, HL. I think the first votes on you were BS. It galls me I am forced to throw this vote out now.

[EagleFan]

deadline

[EagleFan]

The crowd is shaken by the day's events. Unsure of what is really happening but sure of one thing; at least one of them are responsible for what as happened.

Fear and terror turn to rage and accusation. A finger is pointed at Hannibal Lecter. "You did this!" Another is pointed in Chief Rum's direction, or was it Lathum. Soon the crowd can't decide between Hannibal or Chief Rum but Chief Rum looks to be the person who most cast doubt upon but Chief and hoopsguy have not yet spoken up.

Soon they both speak up and cast a finger of suspicion at Hannibal. "It was him!!!" The crowd begins to work itself into a frenzy. They feed off the evil which they have witness and which thrives within the club.

They begin to move towards Hannibal but he is not where they last saw him. A hung begins, seaching the club. He must be here somewhere. He must pay. They are ore certain than ever.

Soon they find him in a back room. He is sitting down dining on something. A ghastly cry is heard, it is the bass player he feeds upon. He declares that he is "simply having his last supper as he knew his fate was already decided upon by the mob. I am not the one who perpetrated today's events. You have the wrong person. This is how I do it, no fan fare, no pyrotechnics, simple nourishment."

"Enough!" says a voice in the crowd. Hannibal is swarmed upon by the crowd and soon lies lifeless on the ground next to the remains of his last meal. A search of him shows he was simply just another face in the crowd. He was an innocent.

Evil laughter fills the air.

The night begins.

[Hannibal Lecter]

nice, at least i got a last meal!

[EagleFan]

Night one deadline 11 PM EST.

[Chief Rum]

Wait, so he was a good guy, right? Why was he feeding on the bass player again?

[RendeR]

Bah.

[RendeR]

Wait, so he was a good guy, right? Why was he feeding on the bass player again?


Yeah, what he said.

[EagleFan]

Wait, so he was a good guy, right? Why was he feeding on the bass player again?

Because he's Hannibal Lecter (and the bass player had to die). ;)

[Hannibal Lecter]

Wait, so he was a good guy, right? Why was he feeding on the bass player again?


Cuz he was there... and i was hungry!

[hoopsguy]

FWIW, I would suggest that the seer scans Chief Rum in order to see:
1.) If he is a wolf (was rare for him to get early heat in a game)
2.) If there was any value to the vote today
3.) If not, were there any votes that appeared to be "wolf fitting in"

Obviously the seer can scan whoever the heck they please, but this would be my play.

[Lathum]

Sorry, HL. I think the first votes on you were BS. It galls me I am forced to throw this vote out now.

I don't understand this post.

Everyone has to vote for someone, so why were the early votes BS?

Also, what galls you about the timing of your vote? If you are the last one to vote one minute before the deadline you are usually deciding someones fate.

Why so apologetic to HL? Someone has to go first and the only way you could have known he was a villiager is if you are a wolf.

[Chief Rum]

I don't understand this post.

Everyone has to vote for someone, so why were the early votes BS?

Also, what galls you about the timing of your vote? If you are the last one to vote one minute before the deadline you are usually deciding someones fate.

Why so apologetic to HL? Someone has to go first and the only way you could have known he was a villiager is if you are a wolf.

Because the reasoning was specious (which would be expected of Day One votes), but the two making those votes didn't act like they were just "tossing out" Day One votes. Barkeep seemed to suggest he had good reason for his vote, and never explained himself so much as I saw. And then the Jackal tossed on a second vote with no real explanation at all. Really, you don't think it odd that the very first two votes come in this manner and on the same guy in a relatively short period of time?

And where do I say the timing of my vote galls me? I'm not sure where I say that. The vote itself galls me for obvious reasons. Since I saw HL as an unreasonable target from the first two votes, it galled me that I would be in a position to have to vote for him myself as a self-defense measure.

And I was apologetic to HL because I didn't want to vote for him, and felt my hand was forced. I did feel he was a villager, but that's beside the point--I knew I didn't have enough evidence to have anything more than a hunch on that.

Really, though, why do I have to explain this? This should be fairly obvious to anyone reading this thread from the start of the day to the end. Not like I waited to the end of the day to question those votes. I did that from the very start (but had to leave for work).

[EagleFan]

Sending out the PM's for night results now, will post the results here once they are sent.

[Lathum]

Because the reasoning was specious (which would be expected of Day One votes), but the two making those votes didn't act like they were just "tossing out" Day One votes. Barkeep seemed to suggest he had good reason for his vote, and never explained himself so much as I saw. And then the Jackal tossed on a second vote with no real explanation at all. Really, you don't think it odd that the very first two votes come in this manner and on the same guy in a relatively short period of time?


Fair enough, their votes were odd


And where do I say the timing of my vote galls me? I'm not sure where I say that. The vote itself galls me for obvious reasons. Since I saw HL as an unreasonable target from the first two votes, it galled me that I would be in a position to have to vote for him myself as a self-defense measure.

Your words were "it galls me to make this vote now" Maybe just poor wording on your part or poor interpretation on mine.

And I was apologetic to HL because I didn't want to vote for him, and felt my hand was forced. I did feel he was a villager, but that's beside the point--I knew I didn't have enough evidence to have anything more than a hunch on that.

I understand your work situation, but when you are forced to vote one minute before the deadline your hand is almost always going to be forced. Your apology seemed somewhat hollow. And if you really thought HL was a villager then you could have voted elsewhere and left it a tie.

Granted, you would have taken alot of heat for it, but you aren't one to shy away from heat when you feel you are doing the correct thing.



Really, though, why do I have to explain this? This should be fairly obvious to anyone reading this thread from the start of the day to the end. Not like I waited to the end of the day to question those votes. I did that from the very start (but had to leave for work).
[/QUOTE]

Someone has to die day one, it just seems like you were so over the top apologetic, when in reality we had a pretty good result, no roled player was killed and no one had to reveal.

[Chief Rum]

Yeah, I can see how that wording would come off that way. Sorry for the confusion (that's for the second part).

It's a shame that if you found those votes odd you chose not to pursue them while you could have. Now that HL is a proven villager, of course, you have no problem saying you found them odd. Ugh.

Disagree completely on the third part. You know no one will do that, especially where tie breaker rules aren't posted, at least not so much as I recall. And, no, my hand isn't always forced coming in at the last second. Quite often I don't vote as anticipated in those situations. I don't see this in the same light, since it was my own neck on the line. Others face the same situation and pretty much always make the same decision I did, so I think it's quite a bit out of touch with historical reality to question why I would feel myself forced in this situation.

And I disagree that a vanilla villager is a good Day One kill. Any day a wolf doesn't die is a bad day for the village.

[Chief Rum]

And at least I was apologetic BEFORE the results came out. Not like I am doing a revisionist history here. But then, no revisions needed. When I found the HL vote odd, I questioned it right away. I didn't wait until after the lynch.

[Lathum]

And at least I was apologetic BEFORE the results came out. Not like I am doing a revisionist history here. But then, no revisions needed. When I found the HL vote odd, I questioned it right away. I didn't wait until after the lynch.

thats kind of my point, it all seems a little to neatly wrapped up.

[Chief Rum]

thats kind of my point, it all seems a little to neatly wrapped up.

And that hint of whatever gets your conviction, and you don't even question for one second the odd vote that started this day off?

It doesn't matter. I am going to have to reveal shortly.

[EagleFan]

Day turns into night. Everyone tries to get some sleep while unable to kee their eyes closed for long. They can feel that danger is lurking. Evil is lurking. Death may be in the air.

As everyone awakens they discover they begin to look around. Is everyone okay? Some of you heard a little comotion last night but did not see anything happen.

You count your numbers. Everyone is still there. No-one has been killed. You all have survived a night. Could this be a positive sign of things looking better? Could the evil be gone? Was this one night of terror? Can you leave Now?

No, you are still trapped. Evil still lurks around every corner. Do not close your eyes, do not turn your back to these people. Anyone of them could be ready to strike out against you.

[Lathum]

very nice

[Chief Rum]

very nice

Not so much. That no kill isn't as nice as it seems.

They went after someone. They went after me. And I'm not surprised. I was too strongly reactive when I found myself on the line, and they saw what I was driving at, even as the rest of the village did not.

I am Leo, and the demons know it now.

I was approached last night, but used my powers to avoid attack. But I was told they now know who I am, and that an attack from a Dark Lighter will likely come next.

This is my fault, I know, but I am hopeful something good may come of it. I received clues in my PM about what I perceived about my attacker. I am still mulling them over before revealing them, because I am not sure yet what they're saying.

[Chief Rum]

The good news is that normal BG rules apply, as I can protect myself on non-consecutive nights, even from the Dark Lighter. I did not protect myself last night, and I suspect I only live because only the Dark Lighter can kill me.

But that still makes me relatively useless. Even if I succeed in protecting myself (and my PM suggests such protection, which is more of a healing thing, is not 100%), I can't protect myself at all tomorrow night and will be a goner. :(

[Lathum]

I'm confused by CR's posts, but I'll wait before I ask questions.


This is not me questioning his reveal, I'm just confused by some of the things he stated.

[Chief Rum]

I'm confused by CR's posts, but I'll wait before I ask questions.


This is not me questioning his reveal, I'm just confused by some of the things he stated.

Well, other than the clues I have, I don't really have anything else to reveal, and since you don't know those, I don't know how they would add to your thoughts on my reveal. So please do ask away. I won't be around tomorrow, so this is the only chance you get to get responses from me.

[Lathum]

Well, other than the clues I have, I don't really have anything else to reveal, and since you don't know those, I don't know how they would add to your thoughts on my reveal. So please do ask away. I won't be around tomorrow, so this is the only chance you get to get responses from me.

fair enough



I was approached last night, but used my powers to avoid attack. But I was told they now know who I am, and that an attack from a Dark Lighter will likely come next.


Here you say you used your powers last night.

The good news is that normal BG rules apply, as I can protect myself on non-consecutive nights, even from the Dark Lighter. I did not protect myself last night, and I suspect I only live because only the Dark Lighter can kill me.

But that still makes me relatively useless. Even if I succeed in protecting myself (and my PM suggests such protection, which is more of a healing thing, is not 100%), I can't protect myself at all tomorrow night and will be a goner. :(

Then here you say you didn't protect yourself, yet your powers are useless tomorrow night?

[Chief Rum]

Well, when I say "used my powers", I am referring to my invincibility to normal attack. That's a power of mine, and I don't have to actively use it (like naming a target).

Also, the PM worded it that way when it described my attack, something along the lines of I sensed my attacker and then used my powers to avoid that attack (not sure I can say it more directly without violating quoting PMs rules). In any case, that no doubt played into how I described it here.

[Lathum]

dola- What "clues" have you really given us, other then the fact you weren't attacked by the dark lighter.

[Chief Rum]

dola- What "clues" have you really given us, other then the fact you weren't attacked by the dark lighter.

None obviously. I said I haven't revealed the clues yet. See a few posts above this one.

[Lathum]

None obviously. I said I haven't revealed the clues yet. See a few posts above this one.

my bad.


I see no reason why you wouldn't reveal them at this point

[Chief Rum]

Not so much. That no kill isn't as nice as it seems.

They went after someone. They went after me. And I'm not surprised. I was too strongly reactive when I found myself on the line, and they saw what I was driving at, even as the rest of the village did not.

I am Leo, and the demons know it now.

I was approached last night, but used my powers to avoid attack. But I was told they now know who I am, and that an attack from a Dark Lighter will likely come next.

This is my fault, I know, but I am hopeful something good may come of it. I received clues in my PM about what I perceived about my attacker. I AM STILL MULLING THEM OVER BEFORE REVEALING THEM, because I am not sure yet what they're saying.

Here, I bolded the key statement above and capped a particularly important portion of it, since I think you missed it.

This is from Post 192 above.

[Chief Rum]

my bad.


I see no reason why you wouldn't reveal them at this point

Oh, I thought maybe you were playing with me there. Ignore my follow up.

[Chief Rum]

I will reveal them. I am just trying to decide if I can put any meaning to them before I do it, make sure I am not missing something obvious.

I'm sure you can tell I didn't get something so simple as a name.

[EagleFan]

Will be logging to get some sleep soon. Will remain around for a few if there any questions that need answered.

[Lathum]

Will be logging to get some sleep soon. Will remain around for a few if there any questions that need answered.

who are the wolves?

[Chief Rum]

who are the wolves?

Heh, I'll second that.

[EagleFan]

Evil cries fill the air. Eveything seems to simultaneously stand still and swirl with chaos. Insanity reigns yet again.

Another flash of light, smoke fills the air, there is movement all around but you can see nothing.

Everything settles down and the roadie is huddled in a lump on the floor. You approach cautiously to check on him and he slumps over lifelessly. Crystals fall from his pocket onto the floor. His eyes! Look at his eyes! They appear to have looked into the face of pure evil, frozen in terror forever.

[EagleFan]

who are the wolves?

They are...

[Chief Rum]

Okay, I have gone over the rules, and definitely have some questions about things, questions I may need to ask, but hope that the rest of the village will follow up.

I did not find anything, though, that would enlighten me as to what my clues mine, so I will toss them out there and let the rest of you try to work it out.

I was basically given four pieces of information:

1. I saw who attacked me, but it was blurry, and I was unable to identify him before escaping. This person was described as a male, but that doesn't surprise me, as there are few obvious female demon roles (Sea Hag).

2. He appeared to me to be similar to the bartender. I hope it's okay for me to put it that way, because I don't know how else to say that without copying the PM quote word for word. There is no bartender role, and I went back and reviewed all of EF's posts. He never includes a bartender in any of his writeups. No idea if this was just color, but since the intent seemed to be to give me a clue, I doubt it was just literary excess.

3. This was the most interesting. It said this attack was this person's first on me today, and that he was happy to kill a non-wolf with the day lynch. More on this in a second.

4. The letters D and I. Do they mean something to any of you? Because I got the impression they meant something to my attacker or the evil we're facing. I have no clue where that's going. We have any Charmed fanatics here who might tie this to some plot line?

Again, I apologize to EF if this is too literal. I'm not sure how else to put it. The above is not a direct quote from my PM, but I guess it might as well be.

Now, back to 2 and 3.

#2-- we have a player in this game who is known by a synonym for bartender in Barkeep49. Could it be that obvious?

#3-- My first thought was that this was the first attack, how could there be any others? So why would I be told it was the attacker's first attempt on me? I thought about it some more, and I decided that a lynch vote is sorta like an "attempt".

In other words, my attacker didn't vote for me on Day One. That also lends itself to the second part, saying he was happy to have killed HL.

[Chief Rum]

Okay, I think I figured out #4. And I did it by typing out the full name of my attacker.

Barkeep...4...9.

The 4th letter of the alphabet == D
The 9th letter of the alphabet == I

He also voted for HL, and, of course, could be confused as a bartender.

That also means he is not the Dark Lighter. Because I would be dead otherwise.

VOTE BARKEEP49

[Lathum]

intersting stuff CR.

[Danny]

Seems pretty clear cut, those clues seem to clearly add up to Barkeep

Vote Barkeep49

Obviously, BK will probably counter reveal at this point, but Chief Rum's play does not seem wolfish to me. The wolves clearly would have gone after him after his half reveal before the lynch and the fact that there was a no kill after what he posted earlier strengthens his argument.

[Danny]

Vote Barkeep49

Fixed, ugg

[Barkeep49]

Let's look at this a different way. Let's think, why would CR admit he had a role, completely with-out need? All he needed to do was cast his vote on HL, as we expected him to do, and the vote is over. No need to state you have a role. CR has been setting me up all night long (stating I had a reason for my vote, when I had stated in the thread it was a D1 "reason"). It's well played by him, but still a play.

Vote CR

[hoopsguy]

BK, can you come up with a scenario where Chief is a villager making a play at you?

If not, I'm pretty willing to take the 1:1 trade on Days 2/3. I can't come up with an end-game scenario at this point.

If we are taking the 1:1 trade, why wouldn't we follow his reveal, rather than listening to your "It wasn't me" response? Is the loss of you (as a villager, by your account) anything that is going to cripple our further efforts? Indirectly, you would be getting us a wolf on the following day, so that is a good result.

[Barkeep49]

BK, can you come up with a scenario where Chief is a villager making a play at you?

If not, I'm pretty willing to take the 1:1 trade on Days 2/3. I can't come up with an end-game scenario at this point.

If we are taking the 1:1 trade, why wouldn't we follow his reveal, rather than listening to your "It wasn't me" response? Is the loss of you (as a villager, by your account) anything that is going to cripple our further efforts? Indirectly, you would be getting us a wolf on the following day, so that is a good result.
Oh I'm sorry. I thought it was clear. I'm not just a villager, I am Leo. I can't see CR making this play at me as a villager, no, but I don't have to, cause I know he's a bad guy. I will point out that at no point have I claimed to be a villager. I purposefully didn't say this in my check in post

It always makes me insecure to not receive a PM at the start of a game.

Of course I wasn't insecure because I had received a PM. If you lynch me today it's a 2:1, because I presume CR based on his play is the Source so if you lynch me today you lose the BG, plus another unknown villager tomorrow fixing the mistake. I don't believe CR has made this same claim, so you're looking at at a 1:1 by lynching him first, if I'm bad (which of course I'm not).

[Barkeep49]

Oh I'm sorry. I thought it was clear. I'm not just a villager, I am Leo. I can't see CR making this play at me as a villager, no, but I don't have to, cause I know he's a bad guy.
I know this because his attack on me failed last night.
I will point out that at no point have I claimed to be a villager. I purposefully didn't say this in my check in post

I of course mean vanilla villager. I tried to leave this bread crumb in case of a situation just like this.

[Chief Rum]

Nice spin. No doubt left for me now, with the direct counter reveal, instead of saying something otherwise. The only role I know you're not, of course, is the Leo. Which confirms that my guesswork on the clues are dead on. Yippee!

Personally, if I were you, caught out in this situation, I think I would have revealed as something else, a lesser role unlikely to be in the game, like a Grandmother, or something like that. Or I would have devised a second target the clues could fit.

BTW, thanks, really. That's quite a compliment you paid me. I mean, questioning your first, odd jump out vote the way I did, then setting up the fake reveal with a rushed arrival at deadline, while barely saving myself. Then setting up a conspiratorial night one play, giving up my "wolf attack" for that night and the possibility of killing a villager, just so I could fake reveal at the very start of Day Two that I am one of the most powerful villager roles, with an elaborate set up of clues that point to you. All this, all of it, for a 1:1 trade that would result when I am discovered to be a wolf while you're a good guy.

I mean, to even think I could be so forward thinking and bold as a wolf, that is impressive, quite the feat for anyone to attempt. So thanks for thinking of me in that light.

Alas, of course, it is bull. I am not that good--no one is--nor would I make a 1:1 trade as a wolf at the veritable start of the game, even a smaller game like this one. Really, that second part should be the clincher for anyone on the fence. This just isn't a play a wolf would make at this point.

[PackerFanatic]

VOTE BARKEEP49

CR's reasons are to be pretty cut and dry to me.

[EagleFan]

Fear turns to rage which turns to fear and confusion after an innocent (though it was an innocent cannibal) had been killed by a crowd pumped up with terror induced blood lust the previous evening.

The tension has affected everyone differently. Some keep entirely to themselves, hoping and praying that they may be able to leave the building and return to their homes and families. Others have turned outward to others, hoping to find someone who can make sense of what is happening. Others have turned to the bottle, this is a night club after all.

The current silence is broken as a drunk stumbles into the middle of the room. Mumbling incoherrently. "Why, how... why me?" A scream comes from the crowd as a large knife flies through the air and impales the drunk. As he stumbles to the ground dropping the bottle of whiskey clenched in his hand his face becomes clear. This is the same man who was serving you drinks just one day earlier before the terror began.

A search of him reveals 24 dollars in cash, a bus token and of course the knife which is now lodged in him.

[Barkeep49]

CR basically you're saying I've messed up by telling the truth. "No no BK when you're being falsely accused of being a wolf after I attack you don't tell the truth. Lie. Lie viciously." C'mon.

PF: Why are his reasons any more cut and dry then mine? I have offered:
1. A hint of my role before it was necessary
2. Evidence of suspicious play (why does CR role reveal at all)?

CR do you have an answer for that? Why reveal at all yesterday at deadline when the vote is 100% in your hands?

[Barkeep49]

DOLA: The village so rarely goes wrong with these decisions. It'll be very disappointing to lose one when I have such an important role.

[PackerFanatic]

I don't think anyone is ever coming to this club again...

[EagleFan]

To clear up any confusion I have included a link to the post which mentions the ruls changed which were made due to the number of players being smaller than the game was originally designed for. The link is in post 3, below the player list and above the story board.

[Chubby]

pretty straight forward right now in my eyes...

Vote barkeep

[Lathum]

I really dont see what CR has to gain from making this play unless he new he was spotted, and realisticly how often does that happen?

[Barkeep49]

I really dont see what CR has to gain from making this play unless he new he was spotted, and realisticly how often does that happen?
It's clear from my writeup that we saw each other. So he makes the play because he knows he's been spotted. For once CR's schedule works to his advantage.

[hoopsguy]

OK, so lets play this out.
1.) Chief makes a very obvious hint that he has a role (under pressure), Barkeep makes a very subtle hint that he has a role (under no pressure)
2.) Wolf team picks up on the hint, attacks roled player who turns out to be Leo
3.) First player to come out says that he had clues to discern in order to identify attacker, second player to come out says that he saw his attacker

Any dispute over these details?

[Barkeep49]

I don't dispute that characterization.

[Danny]

Off to work, but Chief's version with the clues does seem to be pretty in line with the atmosphere created by Eaglefan. I'll be home after work to see if there is anything new.

[jeheinz72]

This is perplexing indeed. I need to re-read this, but it's far from cut and dry to me.

I'm going to re-read the whole thread with this new info in the next hour and I'll make my decision. Either way, at least we've got a tradeoff secured.

[hoopsguy]

The piece for me that is kind of "up for grabs" is whether EagleFan would create a set of clues (one obvious - bartender, one less obvious - letters) for Chief Rum to sift through, rather than just saying "you saw your attacker".

I think this is EF's first game as moderator. I did not get a PM from him. So about all I have to go on is the stuff in the thread. While there is a fair amount of flavor, I'm not convinced that he would play "riddle me this" with the players as part of the night actions.

[jeheinz72]

I'm of the same mind hoops. There are some definite things that don't jive with me on both sides.

The fact that the clue would be that obvious is one of them. Frankly upon my first read of it, my thoughts were it was too easy. I mean it's like a clue being that he was killed by some guy dressed up as a ketchup bottle.

Maybe it's on the level (and I don't mean to slight EF's modding at all) but at the very least, it has me doubting it's validity.

I still haven't gone after a complete re-read though...

[Chubby]

My vote is by no means set in stone but I want to see how this plays out before deciding to move or not

[PackerFanatic]

FWIW, I would suggest that the seer scans Chief Rum in order to see:
1.) If he is a wolf (was rare for him to get early heat in a game)
2.) If there was any value to the vote today
3.) If not, were there any votes that appeared to be "wolf fitting in"

Obviously the seer can scan whoever the heck they please, but this would be my play.

It would be interesting to hear if the seer actually did this, since this would greatly impact today's vote.

[Barkeep49]

It would be interesting to hear if the seer actually did this, since this would greatly impact today's vote.
I would NOT be interested in the seer doing this even though it could vindicate me. It's going to be bad enough losing the BG. Let's not lose the seer in the process.

[The Jackal]

Right now I'm leaning heavily towards CR's version of the story, though the clues leading to BK were very obvious, not sure if they were too obvious. Plenty of time to vote so I'll see what gets flushed out.

[Lathum]

Either way it appears it is a 1-1 trade off so why not vote the guy who came out first?

[EagleFan]

A scream, a call for help. Everyone hears it, no one can place where. A louder scream "NOOOOOOO!!!!!". An explosion. A flash of light and the club is filled with smoke. People are dazed.

When everything calms down a figure is seen staggering into the main room through the smoke. It's a woman, she seems shaken. It's the waitress from the club and it is quite obvious that she has seen something.

She tries to speak but her terror has her mind racnig and her thoughts scrambled. "I was dragged into the room...attacked...he...saved me...somehow...it was awful."

She faints from the excitement. You find her a safe and comfortable place to lie down to try to recover from what has happened.

[jeheinz72]

It's tough. Something just didn't sit right with me regarding the whole CR sequence from 10 minutes to deadline to his reveal. It seemed...contrived.

I could have fog in my eyes, but my gut said CR was the right move Day One, and I think it is again.

He had *zero* reason to reveal he was roled in that situation. Everyone and their mom knew if he was able to get on, he'd vote HL out of self-defense and that's that. No one would've faulted him for it. But I think CR, being the good player that he is, knew that even still there would be suspicion (aka a scan ala hoops' subsequent post) and so he parlays this into outing Leo with a fake reveal and a likely trade off. The clues seem too obvious to me and it takes him like an hour to decide to reveal them but he "solves" the D-I riddle in 3 minutes.

BK on the other hand, gets a slight tick up from me for being the 1st voter and voting villager. I'm less inclined to think that if a wolf wanted to get a vote done that he does it first and does it meekly on a villager (meekly as in no substance behind it at all). Bk seemed to want to avoid a tie, which can be taken both ways (most of us dislike no lynch when we're villagers and a wolf wouldn't want one as well if we were villager-villager, but would they post overtly about it?)

In the end, I'll take my chances, knowing this is one of those trust/distrust building votes that will be looked at later.

Vote Chief Rum

[Lathum]

Either way it appears it is a 1-1 trade off so why not vote the guy who came out first?

this should say with, not for. Meaning why not vote BK.

[EagleFan]

As of post 240:

Barkeep49 4 - Chief Rum (210), Danny (213), PackerFanatic (219), Chubby (225)
Chief Rum 2 - Barkeep49 (214), jeheinz72 (240)

[jeheinz72]

this should say with, not for. Meaning why not vote BK.

I dunno, I just think CR's events don't ring true.

I mean would you reveal in that situation Lathum (the veiled one 10 min to deadline with him holding all the cards)

[hoopsguy]

I think I'm going to play a hunch on this one, given that we are looking 1:1 trade. Normal route is to go with the guy who reveals first, but in this case I will instead

VOTE CHIEF RUM

[Lathum]

Vote CR


I am tying it on purpose for 2 reasons.

1. If it stays tied I am not sure thats a bad thing since either CR or BK will be the likely night kill target, then we sort it out tomorrow instead of possibly killing a villager today then having another villager killed tonight, making it a potential 2-1.

2. I know I am good, so I am curious to see who breaks the tie and why.

[RendeR]

VOTE Chief RUM

Because thats where I voted yesterday and I don't see a real valid reason to change yet. Either way the vote goes we learn somethng and someone has to defend themselves overnight, we then sort out the other person tomorrow if they're still breathing.

[The Jackal]

I have the last vote? Shoot.

[The Jackal]

I'm sort've leaning towards voting BK but thinking about whether or not I want to tie it. I have a couple of hours before I need to leave.

[PackerFanatic]

Why does everyone keep saying that CR revealed before deadline? He threatened to reveal right before deadline, but then didn't actually do until almost 3 hours later (post #192), after all was said and done. Sure, I still don't know why he felt it important to reveal so early in the game, but that is his play and I believe him.

[Lathum]

I have the last vote? Shoot.

Anyone else think a tie is the way to go?