Werewolf LXXXIX - 30 Days of Night - GAME OVER - VILLAGE WINS!

[Danny]

Peregrine, how are you leaning right now?

[Poli]

Looks like another one of our epic showdowns...which will probably end up in nothing more than two villagers.

Sigh.

[Peregrine]

Peregrine, how are you leaning right now?

To be honest I'm not that great with either option. I just think it's unlikely that PB with an early vote on Day 1 would have pegged a wolf - I mean, he knows that Day 1 is really unpredictable and bandwagons can easily form - anything can happen. And to me the fact that he didn't change his votes around later when it seemed more likely that Abe might die is another indicator of that. That's just me though.

Danny, you're one of the more active people right now and I'm reluctant to pull the trigger there, at the moment anyway.

[Poli]

That's a fair point, I suppose.

[Poli]

Actually, I wouldn't suppose. Sounds logical.

[Danny]

This might turn out to be too early, but I have to leave, it's a tie vote, and unless this a villager/villager showdown, the wolves will likely be able to make sure I am lynched. And Abe is the result and is good, then I am an almost sure fire lynch tomorrow. I'm also not a very important role.

I am Stella, the estranged wife.

[Poli]

Giggles. You're a woman.

[Poli]

I knew it.

[claphamsa]

I knew it.


you know?


unvote danny
vote telle

[Poli]

Hey, don't take that out of context!

[Chief Rum]

If that's true (Danny's reveal), one person can confirm it.

[Peregrine]

Interesting, claphamsa. Telle was the second vote on Abe yesterday, the "jump-on" vote, and voted for him again today, hit and run style. Also has been very quiet the whole game. Sounds like a good option since I don't like the other two.

vote telle

[Danny]

If that's true (Danny's reveal), one person can confirm it.

That would be a bad move by my husband, but if I'm not then the real Stella would speak up.

[Danny]

im off hopefully this turns out well

[claphamsa]

cheif, exactly, but no real point in doing it now.... worst comes to worst we revisit in a day or 2!

[Chief Rum]

Why would it be a bad move? You guys (assuming you're telling the truth) have no abilities except for being able to PM each other. Your primary good is as revealed and confirmed villagers. I don't put much stock in the value of your PM discussions, I admit. Not saying there isn't value there, but there is more value in being outed. It drastically decreases the pool for us to find wolves.

[Chief Rum]

cheif, exactly, but no real point in doing it now.... worst comes to worst we revisit in a day or 2!

I must admit I missed the telle thing. What's that about? I am researching something else right now, so I don't want to go do another search if you or Peregrine could just point it out for me.

[The Jackal]

Abe Sargent 4 (Danny 192, Poli 195, EF 199, Telle 239)
Danny 3 (dubb 203, Abe 217, Schmidty 240)
Telle 2 (clap 259, Peregrine 262)

[Chief Rum]

Not ready to give Danny a pass for this reveal. I am going to vote for him for him for now to put the pressure back on and see what comes up.

VOTE DANNY

[Chief Rum]

Wow, so no one's saying or doing anything?

[Chief Rum]

Hmm, only the moderator knows what happens in a tie. I myself don't know that either choice is a good one. If no one else is going to move their vote, I am tyhinking of keeping mine here, and leaving it up to the fates. I can seal Abe's doom, though, by switching off of Danny (or switching to Abe).

But I would have thought we have more commentary from people now, and we also have two no votes so far, by my count (KWhit, Pass).

[EagleFan]

This might turn out to be too early, but I have to leave, it's a tie vote, and unless this a villager/villager showdown, the wolves will likely be able to make sure I am lynched. And Abe is the result and is good, then I am an almost sure fire lynch tomorrow. I'm also not a very important role.

I am Stella, the estranged wife.

For the remainder of this game ye shall be know as.... saldana

:)

[Peregrine]

Hmm two no votes, and Kwhit came in with the clincher with 2 minutes left last night - wonder if he'll do it again tonight.

[EagleFan]

Why would it be a bad move? You guys (assuming you're telling the truth) have no abilities except for being able to PM each other. Your primary good is as revealed and confirmed villagers. I don't put much stock in the value of your PM discussions, I admit. Not saying there isn't value there, but there is more value in being outed. It drastically decreases the pool for us to find wolves.

The husband can find the master vampire AND would kill the master vampire if he is attacked by him at night. That would be a potentially big thing for the wolves to know, that way they don't send the master vampire out to do that kill.

[Chief Rum]

The husband can find the master vampire AND would kill the master vampire if he is attacked by him at night. That would be a potentially big thing for the wolves to know, that way they don't send the master vampire out to do that kill.

You're right. I missed that. Okay, definitely the hubby should not reveal.

[EagleFan]

Not changing off Abe here, I think the PB vote was clearly an attempt to signal the wolves. Especiallly since his reason was one which would not cause anyone else to pile on.

[Chief Rum]

Not changing off Abe here, I think the PB vote was clearly an attempt to signal the wolves. Especiallly since his reason was one which would not cause anyone else to pile on.

You could very well be right. I'm not so sure it's so cut and dry. I know a lot was made of PB not resisting the lynch. Was he even around late yesterday? I wasn't around to see.

[Poli]

Wow, so no one's saying or doing anything?
Not sure there's anything to say. Not sure your 'pressure' could pressure either. Both said they wouldn't be here at the deadline. The only pressure you could have applied is if the vamps/wolves were concerned that either were a vamp/wolf and might get lynched. I suspect we would have seen a late swing of votes in that case.

Since we didn't, I suspect both Abe and Danny are villagers.

[EagleFan]

You could very well be right. I'm not so sure it's so cut and dry. I know a lot was made of PB not resisting the lynch. Was he even around late yesterday? I wasn't around to see.


He posted at 7:21 last night and had 3 votes to abe's 2 at that point.

[Chief Rum]

Not sure there's anything to say. Not sure your 'pressure' could pressure either. Both said they wouldn't be here at the deadline. The only pressure you could have applied is if the vamps/wolves were concerned that either were a vamp/wolf and might get lynched. I suspect we would have seen a late swing of votes in that case.

Since we didn't, I suspect both Abe and Danny are villagers.

Yeah, that was my point, in the hopes a tie would pressure movement and give us something to chew on with the results, amybe give us more candidates. If indeed they are both villagers after all, we could be sitting here, the butts of silent wolf laughter as we agonziae over these two candidates.

Deadline, BTW. Anyone seen The Jackal?

[Chief Rum]

He posted at 7:21 last night and had 3 votes to abe's 2 at that point.

He was already on Abe, though, right?

[EagleFan]

He was already on Abe, though, right?

Yeah, but I have never seen PB go quietly without at least a fake reveal when he is on the side of the wolves. Maybe he has and I haven't noticed but usually he goes out kicking.

[Abe Sargent]

Abe is back. Let me get cught up

[Chief Rum]

Yeah, but I have never seen PB go quietly without at least a fake reveal when he is on the side of the wolves. Maybe he has and I haven't noticed but usually he goes out kicking.

Interesting. Probably because work kept me from being around the "day to day" posting in past games, I don't specifically remember a style for PB in these situations. It's quite possible he was just okay with being lynched, too, since he knew he wasn't a wolf. But there is something to what you're saying here.

One thing that has me sketchy a little on you, though, is that you so quickly piled on the third vote on Abe, today. I think what you have here is plausible, but I admit I have been trying to resolve that out of the gate vote run on Abe all day. Just doesn't settle right.

[Passacaglia]

Gah, sorry I missed the vote -- car trouble. Think I can still get one in? What's the situation?

[Abe Sargent]

It's tied, isn't it?

[EagleFan]

Interesting. Probably because work kept me from being around the "day to day" posting in past games, I don't specifically remember a style for PB in these situations. It's quite possible he was just okay with being lynched, too, since he knew he wasn't a wolf. But there is something to what you're saying here.

One thing that has me sketchy a little on you, though, is that you so quickly piled on the third vote on Abe, today. I think what you have here is plausible, but I admit I have been trying to resolve that out of the gate vote run on Abe all day. Just doesn't settle right.

My vote was only going on Abe today because of the PB connection (as I said, that is exactly the way I had played when I had that type of role, voting early on a wolf with a reason given which was crafted to not give anyone else a reason to vote for that person to try to prevent a pile on). I don't have enough reason for it to go anywhere else. As for the number of the vote it was on Abe, that is merely due to the time I was on and not knowing if I could get back on today (I missed all of yesterday due to work and sleep).

[EagleFan]

It's tied, isn't it?

Yeah.

[The Jackal]

Was eating dinner with family, processing shortly.

[The Jackal]

Abe Sargent 4 (Danny 192, Poli 195, EF 199, Telle 239)
Danny 4 (dubb 203, Abe 217, Schmidty 240, Chief Rum 269)
Telle 2 (clap 259, Peregrine 262)

[The Jackal]

Tonight it has been decided that no one will be lynched.

This will not happen again.

[EagleFan]

At this point we have to look at CR, who saved Abe and forced the no lynch.

[EagleFan]

I think we had a wolf handed to us and lt him get away...

[Chief Rum]

At this point we have to look at CR, who saved Abe and forced the no lynch.

I left it to the moderator. Most of the time there is a tie mechanism (in fact, that's what I was going off of, what The Jackal has in Post #1) determining a lynch. The Jackal chose not to make that public.

I don't like that it's a no lynch, but I had my reasons for that vote, and I gave them. I voted with plenty of time left, and we had two people still out there who hadn't voted.

If Abe ends up a wolf, then lynch me if you must. But I did what I did to try to get more answers and more suspects. It didn't work, and worse yet, no one even got lynched.

[Abe Sargent]

I guess I might have preferred dying today to dying tomorrow, soi the village can move on, but that was not in teh cards.

[dubb93]

:sigh: Whats the best way for a wolf to fake reveal when he is as good as dead? That would be to say he is the wife and force the husband to come out a reveal himself. The husband is the most dangerous role to the wolves at this point. And if he's gonna go why not force that reveal? With that said I'm not sure that reveal really proves anything without a husband reveal which would be awful at this point.

[dubb93]

We now have Pass shenanigans two days in a row at lynch time I see. I understand the whole car troubles thing and hate to bust balls over something like that but how much longer can this go on before it enters the conversation?

[dubb93]

And now that Schmidty is here I swear that if he comes in and agrees with me completely again my head is going to explode.

[EagleFan]

From what I heard, Schmidty agrees with dubb...

[dubb93]

From what I heard, Schmidty agrees with dubb...

:eek: :confused: :banghead: :banghead:

[Schmidty]

And now that Schmidty is here I swear that if he comes in and agrees with me completely again my head is going to explode.

KAPLOOEY!!!!!

[dubb93]

In all seriousness I'm glad you are in this game Schmidty. When I stopped playing I really missed talking to alot of my fellow players and you were without a doubt one of the ones I missed the most.

[Passacaglia]

We now have Pass shenanigans two days in a row at lynch time I see. I understand the whole car troubles thing and hate to bust balls over something like that but how much longer can this go on before it enters the conversation?

Go ahead and bust all the balls you like. For one, I could have put in a vote before going home, and for another, I actually got home before deadline, but it wasn't until after dinner that I remembered the deadline. :(

[Schmidty]

In all seriousness I'm glad you are in this game Schmidty. When I stopped playing I really missed talking to alot of my fellow players and you were without a doubt one of the ones I missed the most.

Ah man, I love you too. You complete me in WW. :)

[Peregrine]

So, a no-lynch. Doesn't tell us anything new, but we don't lose anyone either.

[dubb93]

So, a no-lynch. Doesn't tell us anything new, but we don't lose anyone either.

I really hope that is the case. Most likely though we will be at another day 2 vote tomarrow minus 1 villager. Best case though we are at a day 2 vote tomarrow with Eben having found out who the master vampire is tonight. The other option would be a day 2 vote with both Eben and the master vampire dead.

[EagleFan]

I would rather he find the master vampire of the two choices. Then we could get a confirm on Danny as well. Actually, a BG block would be the best of all possibilities, especially if identity is learned.

[The Jackal]

There should be no delays in the morning deadline, but I'll be traveling so I won't be around much. Still have an evening deadline Friday night, then no play over the weekend.

[Danny]

:sigh: Whats the best way for a wolf to fake reveal when he is as good as dead? That would be to say he is the wife and force the husband to come out a reveal himself. The husband is the most dangerous role to the wolves at this point. And if he's gonna go why not force that reveal? With that said I'm not sure that reveal really proves anything without a husband reveal which would be awful at this point.

Seriously, do you even know the roles? The husband would NOT have to reveal. Only the wife would who has an almost pointless role. If I were a wolf faking a reveal, I would have chosen a different role I assure you.

[Danny]

Dubb, not trying to sound so strong, but you are twisting things to fit your logic when they simply aren't true.

[The Jackal]

You awake once more to find someone missing.

This time, it is EagleFan. Upon searching his house, you find nothing remarkable except for yet another severed head.

EF was a villager!

Sorry if this post didn't format correctly, ill check it out when I get back online.

[Poli]

Why are vampires severing heads? Is this a movie thing?

[Passacaglia]

I'm really not in favor of voting Abe, Chief Rum, Danny, or dubb right now. Telle got a couple votes yesterday -- can the peeps that voted for her lay out some reasoning there?

[Danny]

I'm guessing wolves saw EF's support for me and thought he was likely my husband. You wolves think we would have been that obvious?

[Peregrine]

Well for Telle, I believe I mentioned her being the second vote on Abe on Day 1, and then another vote for Abe on Day 2 - neither with any real explanation. That and her general quietness. Really it just seemed to me that we needed some pressure on someone other than Abe or Danny.

[Telle]

Now that my training is wrapped up for the week I should be around most of today.. probably until about 5pm then I'll be gone until Sunday evening.

[Telle]

Well for Telle, I believe I mentioned her being the second vote on Abe on Day 1, and then another vote for Abe on Day 2 - neither with any real explanation. That and her general quietness. Really it just seemed to me that we needed some pressure on someone other than Abe or Danny.

Day 1 I didn't want to widen the field to 5. So I more-or-less randomly picked one of the four already holding votes. Typical Day 1 stuff.

Day 2 I had about a half hour between training and leaving work for the day. I quickly skimmed and saw that the vote was between two people. I figured since I voted for Abe Day 1 I might as well Day 2 as well since there still didn't seem to be much to go on.

Any questions?

[claphamsa]

Well for Telle, I believe I mentioned her being the second vote on Abe on Day 1, and then another vote for Abe on Day 2 - neither with any real explanation. That and her general quietness. Really it just seemed to me that we needed some pressure on someone other than Abe or Danny.


+1

she has been kinda sketchy... and we needed an altenative!

[Danny]

I still think we learn the most from lynching Abe even though I am not convinced of his guilt. I can't believe you guys went in yesterday with the tie, especially since I left plenty of time for a possible counter reveal of the wife and there wasn't one.

[Danny]

Vote Abe Sargent

I'm not switching off. We need to know whether or not he is a wolf to make the first days of votes meaningful.

[Danny]

When someone is a lynch candidate like Abe day after day, it's always a bad move for the village to let that keep going. Good or bad, we need to lynch Abe to find out what all of our votes so far mean.

[Passacaglia]

When someone is a lynch candidate like Abe day after day, it's always a bad move for the village to let that keep going. Good or bad, we need to lynch Abe to find out what all of our votes so far mean.

I know you already got in trouble for this kind of thing yesterday, but -- if Abe is a wolf, what does that mean? And if Abe is good, what does that mean?

[Danny]

I know you already got in trouble for this kind of thing yesterday, but -- if Abe is a wolf, what does that mean? And if Abe is good, what does that mean?

If Abe is good it basically means both votes so far were meaningless to the Wolves as to them it was a villager/villager showdown. In this case, they likely tried to avoid making a deciding lynch, so could gain trust for Kwhit who did not shy away from that.

if Abe is bad, I think there are some people who I would suspect. Dubb is the most obvious, but from how strongly he has gone after me, my gut tells me he isn't. Still, he would certainly need to be looked at. We'd also have to look at Kwhit at that point and Peregrine who has under the radar managed to avoid voting for Abe or the other lynch candidate both days and is now trying to redirect attention to a new target after my reveal.

Everyone's actions could become different and more clear by knowing whether or not Abe is a wolf.

[Abe Sargent]

I'm going to take a nap and then come back and see what's what.

[Passacaglia]

If Abe is good it basically means both votes so far were meaningless to the Wolves as to them it was a villager/villager showdown. In this case, they likely tried to avoid making a deciding lynch, so could gain trust for Kwhit who did not shy away from that.

if Abe is bad, I think there are some people who I would suspect. Dubb is the most obvious, but from how strongly he has gone after me, my gut tells me he isn't. Still, he would certainly need to be looked at. We'd also have to look at Kwhit at that point and Peregrine who has under the radar managed to avoid voting for Abe or the other lynch candidate both days and is now trying to redirect attention to a new target after my reveal.

Everyone's actions could become different and more clear by knowing whether or not Abe is a wolf.

I guess part of my problem is that Abe being a wolf leads to dubb and KWhit both being wolves, and I generally hate theories that lead to getting all the wolves in one shot.

[Danny]

I guess part of my problem is that Abe being a wolf leads to dubb and KWhit both being wolves, and I generally hate theories that lead to getting all the wolves in one shot.

And I doubt that's the case with them all linking together. But it does give us a group of players to look at and more information to go on, especially depending on which wolf Abe would be. Personally if Abe turns up bad, I may look at Peregrine before anyone else.

[Passacaglia]

And I doubt that's the case with them all linking together. But it does give us a group of players to look at and more information to go on, especially depending on which wolf Abe would be. Personally if Abe turns up bad, I may look at Peregrine before anyone else.

Why Peregrine and not me? I think I'm in the same category as him (never voted for Abe or any other leading vote-getter).

[claphamsa]

And I doubt that's the case with them all linking together. But it does give us a group of players to look at and more information to go on, especially depending on which wolf Abe would be. Personally if Abe turns up bad, I may look at Peregrine before anyone else.

...LOOKS AT PEREGRINE....

i just see a dude who thinks he a bird!

[Danny]

Why Peregrine and not me? I think I'm in the same category as him (never voted for Abe or any other leading vote-getter).

You would be on my list too :p. But while your votes haven't been good, you haven't been leading things anywhere. Peregrine is. Of course, it could very well be a helpful villager, but it may be something more sinister. If Abe is good then I think it is the a helpful villager situation.

[Danny]

And really my point is that all of this analysis is pointless until we actually know whether or not Abe is good or bad.

[Chief Rum]

I agree with Danny, as much I am interested in hearing out these other theories on other targets (which may very well prove true). I think the Abe question needs to be answered now.

Also, I give Danny more leeway now, because I do agree that the real wife would likely counter-reveal, with little to lose for doing so at this point.

VOTE ABE SARGENT

[Passacaglia]

Chief, why weren't you inclined to give Danny some leeway once he made the reveal? Was there something that made you more worried about a fake reveal than about killing a roled villager?

[Chief Rum]

Chief, why weren't you inclined to give Danny some leeway once he made the reveal? Was there something that made you more worried about a fake reveal than about killing a roled villager?

It was the timing, and the innocuousness of the position he claimed to be. I have seen wolves do that sort of thing too many times, and I wasn't sure an hour was enough, especially since we're not really burning up the posts in this game, to get a counter-reveal if one was coming.

Also, given the position he claimed, we lost nothing (or not very much, really) if we ended up lynching him, because it is the least powerful villager role. If it was bodyguard, for instance, I would probably have to give him leeway, even if I doubted his reveal, because that's too important a role to risk a lynch in, especially with another seemingly plausible lynch candidate available in Abe.

Now that more time has passed, it seems much more clear to me that Danny must be what he says he is.

[Peregrine]

If Abe is good it basically means both votes so far were meaningless to the Wolves as to them it was a villager/villager showdown. In this case, they likely tried to avoid making a deciding lynch, so could gain trust for Kwhit who did not shy away from that.

if Abe is bad, I think there are some people who I would suspect. Dubb is the most obvious, but from how strongly he has gone after me, my gut tells me he isn't. Still, he would certainly need to be looked at. We'd also have to look at Kwhit at that point and Peregrine who has under the radar managed to avoid voting for Abe or the other lynch candidate both days and is now trying to redirect attention to a new target after my reveal.

Everyone's actions could become different and more clear by knowing whether or not Abe is a wolf.

Well I just haven't bought into the whole Abe/Danny showdown, maybe that's wrong, but I feel they're probably both villagers, which is why I haven't voted for them. And bringing some pressure on another target, why is that a bad thing? I understand what you're saying about lynching Abe giving us the most info, but I still feel I have to "vote my conscience" in terms of thinking he is innocent. We've been focused on Abe the whole game now, and there are a lot of other people standing on the sidelines who could be wolves.

[Passacaglia]

Well, I need to put in a vote in case I can't get back in time again, and since Telle is the only one who got any momentum, she makes my best "non-mainstream" candidate:

VOTE TELLE

[Peregrine]

Something I've been thinking about - why were those particular wolf victims killed? DT and EF were both somewhat quiet and on the fringes of the debate, and interestingly they both cast the third vote for Abe on Day 1 and 2, respectively. I can see the wolves not wanting to kill either of the main suspects, instead they are killing people who voted for Abe.

If we're dealing with a situation where the Abe/Danny showdown is a vote between villagers and the wolves are just urging it on, why do this? Why not kill the people who are voting for other people - we've reached that point by now where whatever the results of an Abe/Danny kill, it will lead to finger pointing and possibly the other one being killed - so if they're both innocent, forcing a showdown would be to the wolves advantage.

If we're dealing with a vote between a wolf and a villager, the wolves might be willing to use their kills to protect a wolf, though this is a pretty bold tip of their hand. There has been a lot of strange stuff going on in terms of protecting Abe though, like last minute votes on both Day 1 and Day 2 to save him.

Suspicious Voting:

Kwhit - last minute snipe on PB day 1, no vote day 2

Chief Rum - No vote Day 1, last minute tying vote on Danny (after his reveal) on Day 2

Passacaglia - throwaway vote for Clap Day 1, no vote Day 2

Also for completeness you could add here, Claphamsa and myself, who have not voted for the main candidates both days.

[Chief Rum]

Chief Rum - No vote Day 1, last minute tying vote on Danny (after his reveal) on Day 2

Not denying the suspiciousness of this (or the other votes). I knew when I voted for Danny, it would be an issue (but I wasn't going to hide from the showdown--like some people have--either).

That said, I want to highlight the above, which I think is a rather blatant misrepresentation. I made my vote over 40 minutes before deadline, and with two people still to vote. There is a stigma attached to "last minute" votes, as it purports (likely correctly) that there is something sneaky going on there. So I protest to your classifying my Day 2 vote as "last minute"; it most certainly was nowhere near such.

[Poli]

I have voted Abe the past two days. Right now I don't see a reason to change that. Peregrine makes some interesting arguments, so I will hold off for now...probably until I get back from my afternoon run. At which point I'm prepared to vote most likely for Abe...and an outside chance of voting for clap.

[Abe Sargent]

It feels like I'm being set up rather well.

I remember this game where Blade was being pinned by an orgy of evidence, and it just felt too good to be true, like an obvious set up. Every wolf kill killed someone attacking and voting for Blade and such.

I was the only one saying it was a set up, and then he was lynched, and look - he was a villager and I was right. I felt like Cassandra

I think I am being set up so that it is becoming too obvious that I am a wolf. I certainly would not have recommended EF's death if I were a wolf on the outs, its not my style. I'd have gone fishing for a role and I doubt EF was anything major.

Ah well, this is the way WW goes. Yet another Self Defense vote.

Vote Telle

[Abe Sargent]

I keep flagging my votes as black instead of as bold. Sorry about that...


Vote Telle

[Peregrine]

Not denying the suspiciousness of this (or the other votes). I knew when I voted for Danny, it would be an issue (but I wasn't going to hide from the showdown--like some people have--either).

That said, I want to highlight the above, which I think is a rather blatant misrepresentation. I made my vote over 40 minutes before deadline, and with two people still to vote. There is a stigma attached to "last minute" votes, as it purports (likely correctly) that there is something sneaky going on there. So I protest to your classifying my Day 2 vote as "last minute"; it most certainly was nowhere near such.

Fair enough, it wasn't technically last minute, but it was the last vote cast.

[Abe Sargent]

Anybody else feel this game is a bit...underused? Like there are enough people, but not a lot of discussion?

[Telle]

VOTE ABE SARGENT

[Peregrine]

Anybody else feel this game is a bit...underused? Like there are enough people, but not a lot of discussion?

Definitely, it's felt very quiet to me the whole way through. There are not as many talkative people as there usually are, and quite a few who are pretty quiet.

[Peregrine]

I am heading out shortly and won't be back till after the lynch time. It's tough to make a vote call. I'm concerned that even if both Abe and Danny are innocent, we need some kind of resolution here. So I'm going to vote for the one that seems slightly more suspicious to me.

vote Abe Sargent

[Chief Rum]

Yeah, we need some of the talkers in this game, but they're not in, like hoops, Lathum, Alan T, jeheinz. They tend to drive discussion, and the game is lacking for not having someone like that here.

I think it's amazing actually the volume of posts they produce in these games at times. I have done that for short stretches, and I just get worn out.

[Abe Sargent]

It's crazy. I have the 2nd most posts in this thread. Wow! I'm always in the back half!

[Poli]

VOTE ABE SARGEANT

I can't pass up PB voting for him initially. If I were PB, I think I would be trying to get the vamps attention...and I think voting for one might do it.

I do agree. It seems most everyone is playing the UTR game...but what do I know, I'm nearly the FNG around here now.

[Chief Rum]

I find it interesting that the top two targets of our showdowns (Danny and Abe) are the top two posters as well. Maybe that's why everyone's quiet. ;)

[Abe Sargent]

VOTE ABE SARGEANT

I can't pass up PB voting for him initially. If I were PB, I think I would be trying to get the vamps attention...and I think voting for one might do it.

I do agree. It seems most everyone is playing the UTR game...but what do I know, I'm nearly the FNG around here now.

I would appreciate it if you spelled my last name correctly ;). Decades of people mispelling it is annoying.

[Abe Sargent]

I find it interesting that the top two targets of our showdowns (Danny and Abe) are the top two posters as well. Maybe that's why everyone's quiet. ;)

Heh, valid point. Valid point.

[dubb93]

Vote Pass

He has the worst voting record at the moment.

[Schmidty]

Well, it looks like there's no chance of Danny going today, so I'll go with:

Vote Telle

[dubb93]

Telle was actually going to be my vote today but with the way Pass has been voting I just couldn't bring myself to vote with him. Thus the vote for Pass today instead of Telle.

And I think you are right Schmidty with Danny not getting a single vote or question at this point that tells me he is most likely telling the truth about his role. Surely at this point someone would have spoken up if he was lieing.

[Danny]

Abe 5 (Danny, Chief Rum, Telle, Peregrine, Poli)
Telle 3 (Passacaglia, Abe, Schmidty)
Passacaglia 1 (dubb93)

Yet to vote- Kwhit, Clap

[Danny]

I do notice that now that Telle is on the block, there does seem to be a lot more support for lynching Abe.

[Danny]

Mainly in Chief Rum and Peregrine, who avoided voting for him at all before. Poli, Telle and myself all had votes on him yesterday.

[Passacaglia]

Sorry I've been quiet on my end. I don't think it's about who we're missing as I think that most of "the rest of us" are quite capable of bringing the post count when needed -- it's probably that we've got to get back into the swing of things a little.

[Danny]

Still not switching my vote though as I feel we need to know Abe's allegiance

And I still can't understand why PB didn't put up any fight on day 1. If he knows Abe isn't a wolf, why not fake reveal and at least give himself a day and assure a villager lynch.

[dubb93]

Pass can you please give a reason for your day 1 vote other than you were chicken? You had to have a reason for the timing of the vote. It was awful timing to make the vote you did.

[Danny]

50 minutes left, hopefully the two non voters show up at least.

[Poli]

Dear Abe,
The military called. They want you to change you to start spelling your last name correctly.
Poli

[Passacaglia]

Pass can you please give a reason for your day 1 vote other than you were chicken? You had to have a reason for the timing of the vote. It was awful timing to make the vote you did.

The timing is precisely why I made it. I showed up with just a few minutes to go, saw it was tied, shit my pants, and that was that.

[Abe Sargent]

Dear Abe,
The military called. They want you to change you to start spelling your last name correctly.
Poli

Famous Sargents:

Pamela Sargent - SciFi Writer
John Singer Sargent - Famous Painter of Portraits
Dick Sargent
Charles Sprague Sargent - Famous scientist

Plus me!

[claphamsa]

Something I've been thinking about - why were those particular wolf victims killed? DT and EF were both somewhat quiet and on the fringes of the debate, and interestingly they both cast the third vote for Abe on Day 1 and 2, respectively. I can see the wolves not wanting to kill either of the main suspects, instead they are killing people who voted for Abe.

If we're dealing with a situation where the Abe/Danny showdown is a vote between villagers and the wolves are just urging it on, why do this? Why not kill the people who are voting for other people - we've reached that point by now where whatever the results of an Abe/Danny kill, it will lead to finger pointing and possibly the other one being killed - so if they're both innocent, forcing a showdown would be to the wolves advantage.

If we're dealing with a vote between a wolf and a villager, the wolves might be willing to use their kills to protect a wolf, though this is a pretty bold tip of their hand. There has been a lot of strange stuff going on in terms of protecting Abe though, like last minute votes on both Day 1 and Day 2 to save him.

Suspicious Voting:

Kwhit - last minute snipe on PB day 1, no vote day 2

Chief Rum - No vote Day 1, last minute tying vote on Danny (after his reveal) on Day 2

Passacaglia - throwaway vote for Clap Day 1, no vote Day 2

Also for completeness you could add here, Claphamsa and myself, who have not voted for the main candidates both days.
well i did start the votign day one... and I try not to move my day one votes :)

[claphamsa]

-vote telle!

[Danny]

Abe 5 (Danny, Chief Rum, Telle, Peregrine, Poli)
Telle 4 (Passacaglia, Abe, Schmidty, Clap)
Passacaglia 1 (dubb93)

Yet to vote- Kwhit

[claphamsa]

was worried i already voted there for a sec...... man today sucked!

2 star admirals should not be allowed to sneak up on you!

[dubb93]

If KWhit makes a tie I will break it.

[Danny]

Deadline. Hopefully the result is good.

[Poli]

Clap's a navy guy?

[dubb93]

I was breaking the tie with a vote for Telle FWIW if KWhit had made a tie. Whether that would have been a good or bad decision remains to be seen.

[Abe Sargent]

Ah well. I was doomed from the moment the seer died. Since DT would likely have scanned me night one, and knew I came back as good, and not have said anything, action would have gone elsewhere. Unfortunately, the vampire skill killed the seer and so I had to die. Sigh.

[Poli]

Famous Sargents:

Pamela Sargent - SciFi Writer
John Singer Sargent - Famous Painter of Portraits
Dick Sargent
Charles Sprague Sargent - Famous scientist

Plus me!
http://frederatorblogs.com/nicktoons/files/2008/04/ermey.jpg

I win.

[Abe Sargent]

All I was doing was playing defense from the first posts, so I never really was into this game. Maybe next game.

[Danny]

Ah well. I was doomed from the moment the seer died. Since DT would likely have scanned me night one, and knew I came back as good, and not have said anything, action would have gone elsewhere. Unfortunately, the vampire skill killed the seer and so I had to die. Sigh.

Assuming this post means you're a villager and not the cunning wolf, then yes the seer dying night 1 was a killer. I certainly would have backed off you some if this had been the case.

[claphamsa]

Clap's a navy guy?


no i cant serve due to the country of canada sucking donkey balls! health care my ass!~

i work in public health, and have a ton of PHS officers at work with me

[claphamsa]

wow, im way down there on posts.....

im not utr tho!

[Poli]

2 star admirals mean that they're just haven't put that 'extra' in extraordinary. Otherwise, they'd have a 3rd start.

Tell them that next time you see them.

[dubb93]

wow, im way down there on posts.....

im not utr tho!

? Are you trying to be helpful? You are 6th in posts. That is hardly way down there. In fact considering we started with 14 players and 1 gm you are a solid for the top half of top posters in the thread at this point.

[claphamsa]

2 star admirals mean that they're just haven't put that 'extra' in extraordinary. Otherwise, they'd have a 3rd start.

Tell them that next time you see them.

statute says 3 stars= sugeon general

2 star is as far as you can earn

[claphamsa]

? Are you trying to be helpful? You are 6th in posts. That is hardly way down there. In fact considering we started with 14 players and 1 gm you are a solid for the top half of top posters in the thread at this point.

im usualy #1 or #2 or dead.... ive just had a shitty couple days at work :(

[Schmidty]

Where's the Jakal?? I want to see the damned results!!!!!!!



(No rush man. Just sort of messing with you :) )

[The Jackal]

Coming.

[Poli]

oh boy.

[The Jackal]

Abe 5 (Danny 320, Chief Rum 331, Telle 343, Peregrine 345, Poli 348)
Telle 4 (Pass 335, Abe 340, Schmidty 353, clap 366)
Pass 1 (dubb 352)

[The Jackal]

It is finally decided that Abe will be lynched. Abe is lead to the guillotine with little struggle.

As the head is placed in the guillotine, Abe transforms into a horrifyingly beautiful vampire. Five of you hold her down as the guillotine is dropped.

Chop.

Abe was the Vampire Mistress!

[Danny]

Heck yeah!

[Poli]

WOOT WOOT

[Poli]

WOOT WOOT WOOT

[Danny]

I had a feeling Abe was an important vampire, I versed this especially strong in PM's with my husband. There was just too much reluctance from too many people to lynch him.

[Passacaglia]

Rock on!!

[Danny]

PurdueBrad 4 (dubb93 90, Danny 96, Abe Sargent 115, KWhit 124)
Abe Sargent 3 (PurdueBrad 61, Telle 86, DaddyTorgo 117)
Passacaglia 1 (claphamsa 59)
Peregrine 1 (Poli 71)
Poli 1 (Schmidty 72)
EagleFan 1 (Peregrine 105)
claphamsa 1 (Passacaglia 122)

Day 1, there is no way Telle puts that second vote on Abe if she is a wolf. I think we need to put Telle to the top of our trust list.

[Danny]

And when I say no way, it was the first second vote placed on a player that day in which there were so many other options. Again, no way Telle places that vote if she is a wolf.

[Danny]

Day 2

Abe Sargent 4 (Danny 192, Poli 195, EF 199, Telle 239)
Danny 4 (dubb 203, Abe 217, Schmidty 240, Chief Rum 269)
Telle 2 (clap 259, Peregrine 262)

[dubb93]

And when I say no way, it was the first second vote placed on a player that day in which there were so many other options. Again, no way Telle places that vote if she is a wolf.

Agree

[Schmidty]

NICE JOB DANNY!!! Sorry I doubted you!!!

[Abe Sargent]

Catch ya next game!

[Danny]

I think this makes it clear who need to look at.

For me the list is Pass, Dubb, Chief Rum, Schmidty.

I really don't think Kwhit comes up with two no votes knowing his fellow wolf is on the block. I'm willing to give Peregrine some benefit of the doubt for now as well because he did really make an important vote there on Abe.

[Danny]

Also worthy of note, Clap, Pass and Schmidty all could have switched their vote to save Abe before Kwhit's last second vote. Doesn't clear them as they might not have wanted to stand out or even been on for the deadline, but something to note.

I may go for Chief Rum next. He made the tying vote yesterday, avoided Abe on day one, and put the second vote on Abe tonight when he might just have assumed Abe was going to be a runaway after I revealed and was looking to gain some trust on what he felt was lost cause.

[dubb93]

Also worthy of note, Clap, Pass and Schmidty all could have switched their vote to save Abe before Kwhit's last second vote.

I think Schmidty is playing a very un-Schmidty like game.

[Danny]

I also want to note something Dubb did suspiciously today. He kept his vote off of of the main two candidates and said he would switch if Kwhit tied it up.

If Kwhit makes the vote on Telle to tie it up, Dubb could then follow on Telle, and simply say he was saving the village by breaking the tie and put the heat on Kwhit.

Again, not damning, but something to consider.

[Danny]

Also, on day one, Kwhit pushed for Abe NOT to be scanned. A wolf would have wanted their cunning wolf scanned. I really do not think Kwhit makes that post as a fellow wolf.

[dubb93]

I also want to note something Dubb did suspiciously today. He kept his vote off of of the main two candidates and said he would switch if Kwhit tied it up.

If Kwhit makes the vote on Telle to tie it up, Dubb could then follow on Telle, and simply say he was saving the village by breaking the tie and put the heat on Kwhit.

Again, not damning, but something to consider.

I already said I was breaking the tie with a vote on Telle. I was wrong. Simple as that. Just couldn't see PB throwing a vote on Abe early in day one like that considering his role. Still isn't a play that makes a damn bit of sense to me. Anyone getting an early vote on day 1 is an easy bandwagon candidate. Why PB would have done that still boggles my mind.

[Danny]

Poli also placed two big votes on Abe yesterday and today, so he is not on my high suspicion list.

[Danny]

I already said I was breaking the tie with a vote on Telle. I was wrong. Simple as that. Just couldn't see PB throwing a vote on Abe early in day one like that considering his role. Still isn't a play that makes a damn bit of sense to me. Anyone getting an early vote on day 1 is an easy bandwagon candidate. Why PB would have done that still boggles my mind.

I understand, but it doesn't look great since you have avoided voting for Abe on three straight days and was pushing strongly for a second candidate yesterday (me) before Abe could be a runaway.

[dubb93]

Poli also placed two big votes on Abe yesterday and today, so he is not on my high suspicion list.

I have played with Poli before. His "big votes" mean nothing. Same with me when I'm bad my voting pattern is always meaningless. If Poli is bad he will have a better voting pattern then he will when he is good. With that said I'm pretty sure I got Poli pegged as a good guy.

[dubb93]

I understand, but it doesn't look great since you have avoided voting for Abe on three straight days and was pushing strongly for a second candidate yesterday (me) before Abe could be a runaway.

KWhit did vouche for me(by virtue of starting PM). And I was able to get PB due to a PM issue. If I was bad I wouldn't have been able to do all of this.

[Danny]

That is true, my guts still tells me you are not a wolf FWIW, but obviously three straight days of not voting for the wolf on the block is suspicious. Fortunately for you, you're not alone in that.

[claphamsa]

wow..... yay!

[Poli]

I have played with Poli before. His "big votes" mean nothing. Same with me when I'm bad my voting pattern is always meaningless. If Poli is bad he will have a better voting pattern then he will when he is good. With that said I'm pretty sure I got Poli pegged as a good guy.
Really? I never thought I did.

[Poli]

I'd say if I were a wolf...wouldn't it be ridiculously easy for me to move my vote at the last minute to save Abe yesterday?

What if the tie break would have been the first to the vote count? That would have been Abe. If I'm a wolf, do I risk that? I don't think so.

Heck, I know I wouldn't allow that.

[dubb93]

I'd say if I were a wolf...wouldn't it be ridiculously easy for me to move my vote at the last minute to save Abe yesterday?

What if the tie break would have been the first to the vote count? That would have been Abe. If I'm a wolf, do I risk that? I don't think so.

Heck, I know I wouldn't allow that.

Eh, moving votes to save fellow wolves has always been a failed prospect. The best way is to vote for the wolves early or cast condemning votes to condemn fellow wolves. That is how I've always played it so that is how I've always seen it. And it has always worked.

[Schmidty]

I think Schmidty is playing a very un-Schmidty like game.

I haven't played with you in so long, I don't think you can assess my play-style anymore. I used to be an angry bastard back then (now I'm much calmer - sort of), and then recently, before I lost my job, I've been very inactive when I play. People can confirm that. Now I have more time, so I'm a little bit more active.

Anyway, I don't blame people for looking at me. That's WW.

[Poli]

Still, I think rather than leave it up for a tiebreaker that seemingly would have gone against me...I would have done something to make that NOT a tie.

I know this 100%. You know me. You know that's how I'd play it.

[Poli]

Maybe the game's past me by, but that's how I presume I'd play it. No Wolf Left Behind.

[Danny]

Just for a summary

Player Breakdown

Danny
Day 1- Second vote on PB
Day 2- First vote on Abe, pushed for his lynch. Revealed as Stella, the wife hour or so before deadline.
Day 3- First vote on Abe, pushed for his lynch

Claphamsa
Day 1- Voted Pass- first one to vote
Day 2- Voted Telle in a close wolf-villager race
Day 3- Voted Telle in 5-3 race

Overall, I think day two a wolf votes for me when Clap voted for Telle. Today, with 5-3, I think a wolf considers it a lost cause and does not support the likely to die wolf.

Peregrine
Day 1-Voted Eaglefan
Day 2-Voted Telle in a close Wolf-Villager run off
Day 3-4th vote on Abe in a 3-2 race.

Passacaglia
Day 1- Voted Clap
Day 2- No vote when had the opportunity to break the tie
Day 3-Started Vote on Telle when Abe was down 2-0.

His second day looks bad, but on the third day I am not sure a wolf doesn't simply just on Abe to gain trust or make it look like a runaway. Still, doesn't look great and needs to be near the top of the suspect list.

Telle
Day 1- Voted Abe, second vote which assured Abe would be a lynch candidate.
Day 2- Voted Abe
Day 3- Voted Abe

Telle is at the top of my trust list.

Poli
Day 1- Voted Peregrine
Day 2- Voted Abe, second one on Abe assuring he would be a candidate
Day 3- Voted Abe

Not as cleared as Telle by any means, but a good voting record puts him near the bottom of the suspect list.

Dubb
Day 1-Voted PB, caught him in some sort of PM thing
Day 2-Voted Danny, pushed for his lynch all day
Day 3-Voted Pass, said he would have switched to Telle in a tie vote.

Chief Rum
Day 1- No vote
Day 2- Voted Danny to tie the vote
Day 3-Voted Abe to make it 2-0

Chief's actions put him at the top of my list. I could easily see a wolf realizing Abe is likely a goner today after I became more trusted and tried to vote early to gain trust.

Kwhit
Day 1- Voted PB as the deciding vote, Pushed for Abe not be scanned
Day 2- No vote
Day 3- No vote

Day 1 vote looks bad, but if he is a villager it's simply a 50-50 shot there and I would have made the same vote. Pushing for Abe not be scanned is very un wolf like and I don't see him going two days without votes if a fellow wolf is on the block.

Schmidty
Day 1- Voted Poli
Day 2- Voted Danny, also pushed for my lynching
Day 3- Backed off my lynching, but still avoided an Abe vote by going with Telle to make the vote 4-3.

His vote today may have been a bit late to save Abe and a wolf may have just put that vote on Abe to gain trust.

I still think I am going with CR next. I fairly sure a wolf put a vote on Abe today and it's likely one of the two that did not push for Abe's lynch yesterday.

[Danny]

You can tell I got lazy after writing mine, I stopped bolding the player names and putting Abe's name in red.

[dubb93]

You can tell I got lazy after writing mine, I stopped bolding the player names and putting Abe's name in red.

Lazy or not atleast we have someone putting in some work on the villagers side.

[DaddyTorgo]

awesome job guys!

funny thing is abe was one of 2 people i had considered scanning on N1 - i actually ended up putting in the other for the other person, guess that was a good thing

[EagleFan]

A belated Go Villegars!!! :D

Saw my fate this morning and it was almost timely as today has been CRAZY.

[EagleFan]

dola: I wanted to clear up that my "Go Villegars" was just me being a smart@#$ in my own weird way and it has no meaning what so ever (I'm just very tired and my mind drew a blank when I went to post).

Thought about it after posting and wanted to clear it up just so it doesn't cause any confusion.

[Peregrine]

Hell yeah! really nice job in nailing the vampire, plus we ended the "showdown."

[Chief Rum]

Also worthy of note, Clap, Pass and Schmidty all could have switched their vote to save Abe before Kwhit's last second vote. Doesn't clear them as they might not have wanted to stand out or even been on for the deadline, but something to note.

I may go for Chief Rum next. He made the tying vote yesterday, avoided Abe on day one, and put the second vote on Abe tonight when he might just have assumed Abe was going to be a runaway after I revealed and was looking to gain some trust on what he felt was lost cause.

Oh, come on, Danny, now you're trying to mislead like Peregrine before. I don't deny that I'm not above suspicion, nor do I have any way of proving otherwise (just a villegar), but at least let's be honest if you're going to lead me to the hangman's noose.

The tying vote is the one thing I think is legit. I have explained why I did it (and that I wouldn't have if I thought The Jackal would do a no lynch), there were other people around who could have changed that result (I did it sometime before deadline), and we had two no-votes that day.

"Avoid Abe" on Day One? If I were a wolf, why would I avoid Abe with a villager as the other lynch option? Why wouldn't I just vote for the villager? You're being silly there to try to trump up a weak case. What happened is exactly what did, and something I never lie about (outside stuff affecting my game)--I was in a rush between two jobs, and I did not get back on line to put in a vote.

Today was hardly a runaway, was it? 5-4? And quite a few times today, if I were a wolf, I could have switched to save Abe, but I didn't. Expecting a runaway? Okay, maybe if I put in the third vote. The second vote? That's initiating the socalled runaway? Why would a fellow wolf do that?

Come on, Danny, think about this a bit. At least you have three days to mull it over.

[Passacaglia]

Danny, to clarify -- when I showed up on Day 2 and it was tied, it was after deadline. Even though The Jackal had not arrived, I was pretty sure my vote wasn't going to count. Definitely blame me for not getting in a vote when I left work (I should have realized that I might not get back in time), just don't blame me for not voting once I got back.

[Danny]

Oh, come on, Danny, now you're trying to mislead like Peregrine before. I don't deny that I'm not above suspicion, nor do I have any way of proving otherwise (just a villegar), but at least let's be honest if you're going to lead me to the hangman's noose.

The tying vote is the one thing I think is legit. I have explained why I did it (and that I wouldn't have if I thought The Jackal would do a no lynch), there were other people around who could have changed that result (I did it sometime before deadline), and we had two no-votes that day.

"Avoid Abe" on Day One? If I were a wolf, why would I avoid Abe with a villager as the other lynch option? Why wouldn't I just vote for the villager? You're being silly there to try to trump up a weak case. What happened is exactly what did, and something I never lie about (outside stuff affecting my game)--I was in a rush between two jobs, and I did not get back on line to put in a vote.

Today was hardly a runaway, was it? 5-4? And quite a few times today, if I were a wolf, I could have switched to save Abe, but I didn't. Expecting a runaway? Okay, maybe if I put in the third vote. The second vote? That's initiating the socalled runaway? Why would a fellow wolf do that?

Come on, Danny, think about this a bit. At least you have three days to mull it over.

I realize this is how you see your actions. I see them differently. I think tying the vote and putting me at risk and then switching the next day when Abe looks like he will be the lynch more easily stand out in my mind. I think you are a strong enough player where you don't put me at risk day 2 when we learn so much from lynching Abe and he obviously has no role.

[Danny]

CR, I would welcome your thoughts about other players. I'm certainly not stuck on you for Monday and there are other players who look suspicious as well.

[ImTheCrew]

l

[dubb93]

l

Well said?

[Chief Rum]

CR, I would welcome your thoughts about other players. I'm certainly not stuck on you for Monday and there are other players who look suspicious as well.

IMO, the suspicions about other players have already been pretty well spelled out. I view the above by you as a deflecting move to avoid answering my points regarding how you have chosen to eliminate form consideration some players as potential wolves for the same reasons you want to lynch me, and how you chose to phrase your arguments against me (the "avoid Abe" description of Day One, for instance, which makes absolutely no sense). I challenge on the fallacies of those, and instead of responding to that challenge, you say, "I believe what, I believe, hey other players are suspicious, who do you think we should look at?"

Sorry, Danny, I'm not one to let someone go unchallenged when he makes weak arguments and then refuses to back them up when thus challenged, even from someone I have to deem as cleared as you are. Even the most cleared of villagers can still be flawed in their thinking regarding others in the game, and your target lock in here is very much off course.

[Danny]

IMO, the suspicions about other players have already been pretty well spelled out. I view the above by you as a deflecting move to avoid answering my points regarding how you have chosen to eliminate form consideration some players as potential wolves for the same reasons you want to lynch me, and how you chose to phrase your arguments against me (the "avoid Abe" description of Day One, for instance, which makes absolutely no sense). I challenge on the fallacies of those, and instead of responding to that challenge, you say, "I believe what, I believe, hey other players are suspicious, who do you think we should look at?"

Sorry, Danny, I'm not one to let someone go unchallenged when he makes weak arguments and then refuses to back them up when thus challenged, even from someone I have to deem as cleared as you are. Even the most cleared of villagers can still be flawed in their thinking regarding others in the game, and your target lock in here is very much off course.


I haven't eliminated anyone except Telle as a potential wolf. I made arguments for why you look suspicious to me. I know you counter argued that and think you tying up the vote was not a bad move, but I don't really see it. You putting the tie vote on me is suspicious when you are a smart enough player to realize what PB did on day one was largely suspicious and damning to Abe. Maybe you didn't have enough time to really consider that since I know you missed day one, but still I thought is was uncharacterized of you to miss something like that. Then on day three, I think it is likely that at least one wolf puts a vote on Abe, one of which is you.

You might be a wolf, you might not, but you are clearly in the list of top suspects and deservedly so. But you're not alone.

[Danny]

I'm not really sure what else you want. That's my case for you, you provided yours, but I just don't see your reasoning clearing you from suspicion.

You did miss the vote day one, so I guess you didn't really avoid Abe, but the arguments from day 2 and 3 still stand.

And I asked how you felt about other players because if you are a villager, you're a strong player and I wanted to know your thoughts. While you are on my list, maybe even at the top, I'm not locked into voting for you tomorrow.

[Chief Rum]

I'm not really sure what else you want. That's my case for you, you provided yours, but I just don't see your reasoning clearing you from suspicion.

You did miss the vote day one, so I guess you didn't really avoid Abe, but the arguments from day 2 and 3 still stand.

And I asked how you felt about other players because if you are a villager, you're a strong player and I wanted to know your thoughts. While you are on my list, maybe even at the top, I'm not locked into voting for you tomorrow.

I understand you don't agree with my reasoning, and that's fine. As I said before, I can't disprove anything except with my death.

I already stated that the Day Two vote is unavoidably suspicious, but I made the vote the way I saw it then, and I stand by it. Sorry, but you dropping a reveal as one of the harmless good roles an hour before deadline on a lightly posted day is not enough for me to assume you're a villager. It took going much longer than that to be sure (which is why I voted for Abe the next day). We disagree on that, fine, but that's the way I saw it.

My first issue with the rest was your word choice on Day One. I am glad to see you retract that here, although it disappoints me I had to point it out twice to you before you retracted it. That doesn't speak to me of someone who is of an open mind to consider other suspects.

My second issue was your use of wolf votes to excuse others, while using the same to damn me, particularly with the third vote. You characterize that as an expected runaway vote, and that's how I could be a wolf and vote second for Abe, and yet you did not at all acknowledge the fact that the vote did not end up a runaway at all, and that I posted as late as within an hour and a half of the deadline, and yet made no motion to save Abe in what had become a close race. Meanwhile, you declare others innocent simply for placing their votes on Abe at any point in the game.

Sorry, none of this speaks of someone willing to consider other suspects, no matter what public lip service you're trying to give that notion here.

[Danny]

The reason I ignored you point out my comment about day one is because I forgot I had said that and didn't know what you were talking about.

I don't see where I dismissed anyone as a possible wolf except for Telle. She put the second vote on Abe on Day 1. That's well before he was a suspect. There's no way a wolf makes that vote. Everyone else is a suspect to me right now.

[claphamsa]

hmmmmmm, no jackyl!

[The Jackal]

Results in a little bit, sorry.

[Passacaglia]

Rock me, roll me, The Jackal me off.

[claphamsa]

er.....

[The Jackal]

It is the middle of the night, but there is a lone figure standing on the street corner. Flecks of snow press against his cheek and ricochet. There is no warmth on this skin.

He walks to the center of the street and pulls down the hood concealing his face. It is a grizzled visage of horror, of pain.. of too many years that should never have been seen.

"You can come out now," the creature says, looking in no particular direction.

Out of an alleyway steps a man, cloak rapping on his shoulders in a steadily increasing wind.

"I'll give you and yours one chance to get out of my town."

The vampire laughed, a chilling vibration that ceased as sharply as it began.

They launched at each other, each predicting the others' movement, but the vampire much faster. Soon the man is ragged and tired, and he is hurled into the side of a building. The vampire, sensing weakness, launches itself on top of him, sheathing his sharp nails in the man's neck, his jugular torn apart.

The vampire stands up. He heads to the center of town, leaving the corpse in the snow, a spreading stain its only legacy.

The vampire replaces his hood and reaches down under his vest, removing a piece of sharpened wood. It looks up to the sky one last time, then crumbles into ashes.

Danny was Eben!

Chief Rum was the Master Vampire!

[claphamsa]

WOA!

[claphamsa]

Yay danny!!!! woot!

[claphamsa]

hmm, so Danny fake revealed as the wife.. even though he wasnt... awesome move!

sO we probably have only one vamp left?

[claphamsa]

woudl be nice for the real wife to come out, so we can start building the COT! (no reason not to now)

[Passacaglia]

Nice job, Danny! The only problem is that now that you're gone, someone else is going to have to pick up the slack analysis-wise. I'll see what I can do after completing some of the work I really should do.

[claphamsa]

Well Danny trusted Telle implicitly, so there is a good start!

[claphamsa]

so yesterday, voting for telle was me(good) Abe (bad) Pass and CR (bad) also, dumping his vote was Dubb.

vote passacaligula!

[claphamsa]

although I would like dubb to explain his vote some.... Im sure he did, but please rehash!

[claphamsa]

but I think everyone should vote for me or Pass

[Passacaglia]

Hopefully my color tags work:

Peregrine -- EagleFan, Telle,Abe Sargent
claphamsa -- Passacaglia, None, Telle
Passacaglia -- claphamsa,Telle, Telle
Telle -- Abe Sargent,Abe Sargent,Abe Sargent
Poli -- Peregrine, Abe Sargent,Abe Sargent
dubb93 -- PurdueBrad, Danny,Passacaglia
KWhit -- PurdueBrad, None, None
Schmidty -- Poli,Danny, Telle

[Passacaglia]

Red is a vote for a villager, blue is a vote for a wolf, and purple is the cultist.

[Passacaglia]

Telle and Poli look good here, and Peregrine a little as well -- that vote was 5-4. If we were wolf-wolf it doesn't matter much, but I agree with the earlier comments, that I don't think a wolf would put a second vote on another wolf -- that really ramps up the chance they go wolf-wolf on the first day.

[claphamsa]

thanks pass!

[Passacaglia]

Hopefully my color tags work:

Peregrine -- EagleFan, Telle,Abe Sargent
claphamsa -- Passacaglia, None, Telle
Passacaglia -- claphamsa,Telle, Telle
Telle -- Abe Sargent,Abe Sargent,Abe Sargent
Poli -- Peregrine, Abe Sargent,Abe Sargent
dubb93 -- PurdueBrad, Danny,Passacaglia
KWhit -- PurdueBrad, None, None
Schmidty -- Poli,Danny, Telle

I screwed up a little here -- on Day 2, I had no vote, so that probably means clap voted for Telle. My bad.

[claphamsa]

I voted telle night 2 I belvie..

[Passacaglia]

Paranoia time -- maybe the wolves could have decided to have one wolf put a second vote on another wolf, since we'd think that pretty much cleared them. Then, when that wolf died, we'd trust the voting wolf. However, you'd think they'd have their trusted wolf be the cunning wolf, which was Abe. So I feel pretty safe in trusting Telle, Poli, and Peregrine.

clap, I'm about to check out to get some work done, but why is it me vs. you? You mentioned dubb, but you also ignored him as a person you would seriously consider voting for. Why would you do that, if you think his vote needs explaining? And what about KWhit and Schmidty?

[claphamsa]

Pass, no votes of the people who are dead?

[claphamsa]

Paranoia time -- maybe the wolves could have decided to have one wolf put a second vote on another wolf, since we'd think that pretty much cleared them. Then, when that wolf died, we'd trust the voting wolf. However, you'd think they'd have their trusted wolf be the cunning wolf, which was Abe. So I feel pretty safe in trusting Telle, Poli, and Peregrine.

clap, I'm about to check out to get some work done, but why is it me vs. you? You mentioned dubb, but you also ignored him as a person you would seriously consider voting for. Why would you do that, if you think his vote needs explaining? And what about KWhit and Schmidty?


well I said that before looking at your vote counts. and I would like to see how the dead wolves voted, maybe ill do it.

Im assuming telle is good here, and we are the ones who voted for her (with 2 wolves). so its logical that one of us is bad,

as to dubb. he just threw his vote away, that is fairly attention grabbing and a bad strategy for a wolf!

[Passacaglia]

Pass, no votes of the people who are dead?

Do you see any votes on my list for them? :p They're dead, so I didn't bother. If you think it's useful, go ahead and put them up. Anyway, here's the fixed voting record:

Peregrine -- EagleFan, Telle, Abe Sargent
claphamsa -- Passacaglia, None, Telle
Passacaglia -- claphamsa, Telle, Telle
Telle -- Abe Sargent, Abe Sargent, Abe Sargent
Poli -- Peregrine, Abe Sargent, Abe Sargent
dubb93 -- PurdueBrad, Danny, Passacaglia
KWhit -- PurdueBrad, None, None
Schmidty -- Poli, Danny, Telle

[Passacaglia]

Dur...let's try that again.

Peregrine -- EagleFan, Telle, Abe Sargent
claphamsa -- Passacaglia, Telle, Telle
Passacaglia -- claphamsa, None, Telle
Telle -- Abe Sargent, Abe Sargent, Abe Sargent
Poli -- Peregrine, Abe Sargent, Abe Sargent
dubb93 -- PurdueBrad, Danny, Passacaglia
KWhit -- PurdueBrad, None, None
Schmidty -- Poli, Danny, Telle

[Passacaglia]

well I said that before looking at your vote counts. and I would like to see how the dead wolves voted, maybe ill do it.

Im assuming telle is good here, and we are the ones who voted for her (with 2 wolves). so its logical that one of us is bad,

as to dubb. he just threw his vote away, that is fairly attention grabbing and a bad strategy for a wolf!

I think dubb made it clear that of the two, he'd rather have seen Telle die, but didn't vote for her since it would have created a tie.

[Peregrine]

Wow, great move by Danny with the "fake" reveal, and great in that we nailed another wolf!

[Peregrine]

but I think everyone should vote for me or Pass

Why is that? I think a vote for Schmidty would be fair also, he has a suspicious voting record and just hasn't seemed his normal self this game, subdued and possibly wolf like.

[claphamsa]

well... his voting record has been pretty atrocious.... almost as bad as mine :)

but I think this is kinda how he has played. less active= less anger.

[claphamsa]

my logic follows like this (and maybe wrong) Danny revelas as the wife... and goes well out of his way to say how much he trusts telle (we all caught that im sure) so the vamps assume tell is the husband, so they try to lynch her! and we know that at least 2 of them voted for her, and the other 2 votes on her had uniformly awful voting records, and i know im good :)

[Telle]

my logic follows like this (and maybe wrong) Danny revelas as the wife... and goes well out of his way to say how much he trusts telle (we all caught that im sure) so the vamps assume tell is the husband, so they try to lynch her! and we know that at least 2 of them voted for her, and the other 2 votes on her had uniformly awful voting records, and i know im good :)

I just don't see them dumping that many votes into one basket.

[claphamsa]

but feel free to argue with me :) I am making an assumption here :)

[claphamsa]

I just don't see them dumping that many votes into one basket.

normally i wouldnt either, but they knew that if they sent CR after Eben they would lose him, so a lynch is the best bet..... but its always possible.

[Passacaglia]

I'm thinking that based on dubb's play at the end as Abe died, he's probably good. If he wanted to save Abe, he'd have a chance by voting for Telle and creating a tie. Yet he pretty much said he WOULD vote for Telle. The wrong choice, sure, but I don't think he would put himself out there like that on the wrong choice while still letting Abe die.

Also, I'm going to give KWhit a pass here. If he's not playing anymore and he's the last wolf (I assume there is only one left), we'll know tomorrow when no one dies.

[Passacaglia]

So I'm leaning toward clap or Schmidty.

[Peregrine]

So Claphamsa, what were your reasons for voting for Telle during the last day? Telle had already been placed very high on Danny's trust list, and Danny was considered cleared by most. So if we're looking at people that might have wanted to lynch Telle, why did you?

[claphamsa]

I forgot to vote during the day, and I hadnt caught up... :(

lame i know.

[Passacaglia]

I forgot to vote during the day, and I hadnt caught up... :(

lame i know.

So if you had caught up appropriately, you would have voted for Abe?

[Peregrine]

Just looking at those voting records, I think we'll find a wolf in Dubb, Schmidty, or Pass. I'm going to put some pressure on. That Day 2 vote by Schmidty stinks to high heaven for me - if you look at it, we had 2 known goods, 1 trusted, and low-suspicion Poli voting for Abe. Dubb and Schmidty joined two vamps in voting for Danny. I don't think all of the vampires (if there are 4) would have voted for the same person, and Dubb's early vote is slightly less suspicious to me. But once the vote got to be 4-2 for Abe, Schmidty and CR jumped in to save him. Since CR is a vamp, that's not good company to be in.

Also in the same vote, claphamsa devoted for Danny after his "reveal." This led to CR having to expose himself to tie the vote. If Clap is a vamp this doesn't seem like a smart play, it would be better to keep the vote on Danny to force the tie, instead of having to risk CR in the much more suspicious late tying vote.

vote schmidty

[Passacaglia]

Peregrine, I think 4 vamps and a cultist in a game of 14 seems high. I'm thinking we've got one left.

[Peregrine]

Peregrine, I think 4 vamps and a cultist in a game of 14 seems high. I'm thinking we've got one left.

You're probably right.

[claphamsa]

Also in the same vote, claphamsa devoted for Danny after his "reveal." This led to CR having to expose himself to tie the vote. If Clap is a vamp this doesn't seem like a smart play, it would be better to keep the vote on Danny to force the tie, instead of having to risk CR in the much more suspicious late tying vote.

vote schmidty


Your logic is good, but im not looking forward to an after game review from this one :(

[EagleFan]

Nice job Danny!!!

[Chief Rum]

I protest to being labelled a "vamp". I am a vampire, an illustrious and noble creature of historic malevolence. A vamp is something else entirely. Feel free to Google "vamp" for reference. Do not do so at work. Thank you.

[claphamsa]

so... we have 2 votes? any ideas or votes from anyone else? Beuler Beuler?

[dubb93]

I think anyone assuming Telle has to be the wife is using flawed logic. I may be over thinking things here but I think the wife is Poli.

Note this is for CoT building purposes only and I do not think Poli will come out and admit to being the wife even in the event he is the wife.

[claphamsa]

:party:


This is what were doing to the wolves!

[Passacaglia]

I think anyone assuming Telle has to be the wife is using flawed logic. I may be over thinking things here but I think the wife is Poli.

Note this is for CoT building purposes only and I do not think Poli will come out and admit to being the wife even in the event he is the wife.

I'm not sure it matters at this point. I haven't thought much about whether or not Telle is the wife, but I have high trust for both of them, so I'm not too concerned about it. Or are you trying to make an argument for voting Telle?

[dubb93]

I'm not sure it matters at this point. I haven't thought much about whether or not Telle is the wife, but I have high trust for both of them, so I'm not too concerned about it. Or are you trying to make an argument for voting Telle?

I'm not making an argument for voting Telle but I am 100% certain that Poli is not a standard villager. That leaves a 33% chance he is a vampire just looking at the rules and a 33% chance he is the wife. If Telle comes in and claims the wife that leaves it 50-50 Poli is a vampire. I just place him as the wife at the moment.

[dubb93]

Also it should be noted that CR threw heat on Pass during the night on night 1 and then Abe gave Pass a vote on day 2 early. This is something I missed during the voting process during day 3 and it pushs Pass high up my trust list.

[dubb93]

Also if we go back to my logic that caught PB(it was flawed I know, but it worked) it can be said Peregrine is not a normal villager either.

Wait, cold and no liquor? Remind me why I moved here again?

Again in my PM it said 100% certainty that I do not mind the cold. The only 4 to publicly come out starting anything different than this or just flat out saying that their PM did not say this are PB, Poli, Danny, and Peregrine.

PB and Peregrine both made cracks about the cold and Poli and Danny both said that their PM did not contain any insight into the cold.

Also Schmidty and KWhit have both vouched with me stating that their starting PMs said they did not mind the cold. Again take this all for what it is worth.

[dubb93]

I think I am voting for Peregrine. I think this the perfect time to take a look at him and something about his posts just jump out and scream third wolf to me.

Vote Peregrine

[dubb93]

Should be noted my suspect list only contains three names at this point and I hope I'm not being too trusted:

Suspect list:

Peregrine
Poli
Claphasma

I may be lost right now but I really just have to think the third vampire is in that list. Also should be noted Poli is in my CoT as the wife at this point but due to his comments it has to remain possible that he could be the last vampire(he is not a vanilla villager).

[dubb93]

[QUOTE=dubb93;1975917] I hope I'm not being too trusted:
QUOTE]

trusted=trusting. I'm still suffering from Trow type it seems.

[claphamsa]

interesting not to trust logic....

[dubb93]

interesting not to trust logic....

Eh?

[claphamsa]

the thing about Poli... hes not to be trusted, but its likely that hes a roll. just odd.

[dubb93]

the thing about Poli... hes not to be trusted, but its likely that hes a roll. just odd.

I would say it is 99% or greater he is a role. And where have I said he is not to be trusted? I said I believe he is the wife.

[Danny]

Go village! Good luck finishing them off guys!

[claphamsa]

I would say it is 99% or greater he is a role. And where have I said he is not to be trusted? I said I believe he is the wife.

ok so you said you shouldn't be oo trusted then put him on your suspect list... even tho you think hes good. just odd logic.

[dubb93]

ok so you said you shouldn't be oo trusted then put him on your suspect list... even tho you think hes good. just odd logic.

I can't make out the whole point of this post with the trow type. The oo is throwing me off, don't know how to respond.

[claphamsa]

Well, it looks like there's no chance of Danny going today, so I'll go with:

Vote Telle



I think this is interesting.....also that day, Peregrine basically put the condemning vote on Abe, and poli voted after him... not exactly wolf hiding places.

[dubb93]

And for what it is worth until he is 100% cleared with a reveal and no one else disagreeing he has to be on the suspect list even though I think I know his role. There are 3 roles left in the game, Poli IS roled, thus there is a chance I am wrong about his role no matter how confident I am in it. Thus he stays on the suspect until his death or his reveal.

[claphamsa]

I can't make out the whole point of this post with the trow type. The oo is throwing me off, don't know how to respond.


trow type? its too :P im a shitty typer sorry :)

[claphamsa]

And for what it is worth until he is 100% cleared with a reveal and no one else disagreeing he has to be on the suspect list even though I think I know his role. There are 3 roles left in the game, Poli IS roled, thus there is a chance I am wrong about his role no matter how confident I am in it. Thus he stays on the suspect until his death or his reveal.

roles
1. Wife
2. Duke
3. Body guard
4. Vampire

[claphamsa]

I guess you could be not couting the vampire as a role but you seem to0