WW XCII Hades -- Claimed by Villagers

[DaddyTorgo]

i think it was kinda weird - we had good seer+good hoplite in our village

i think those divisions were almost designed to try to cancel out those villages so there'd be a final battle in hades to win the whole thing?

[jeheinz72]

dude, we got played by the Mod

evil seer and wolf hoplite in the same village, plus it seems likely the evil marathoner was also in our village since no one came out against PB.

Well no offense bro, but the converse is true. We in a small game had to go against the Good Seer, the Good Hoplite and the Good Marathon Runner.

[Abe Sargent]

CR - Why did USFL get lynched?

I pushed for USFL's lynch late cause the vote was 5-2 me and hoops and USFL was the bad historian, but you probably already know that. I was just lucky, honestly.

[jeheinz72]

i think it was kinda weird - we had good seer+good hoplite in our village

i think those divisions were almost designed to try to cancel out those villages so there'd be a final battle in hades to win the whole thing?

I would think so and that's fair really. Should either side not have held serve in the starting city that was to their advantage, then they don't deserve to win the whole game

[hoopsguy]

dude, we got played by the Mod

evil seer and wolf hoplite in the same village, plus it seems likely the evil marathoner was also in our village since no one came out against PB.

And I ran ... I ran so far away.

[DaddyTorgo]

I dunno DT... you rants were just kinda...... crazy

fwiw clappy - i don't think dubb's a wolf.

i now think the wolf is danny. could be jackal as well I guess.

but knowing dubb and how stubborn he's being, he'll go and cock it up and lose sparta for us as well.


Question: did you folks in Athens have 2 wolves to start, or 3? because we sent heinze down here but we also have at least one more up there - do you think we could have had 3 to start, or just 2?

[jeheinz72]

I had to get away...

[Abe Sargent]

Best back to back posts ever - 152 and 153's. I laughed.

[hoopsguy]

OK, now that I'm done destroying the cradle of modern civilization I need to go get some work done.

Fair warning - I'm not going to make it easy for you guys to get any ties involving me and another wolf.

If you have any questions, concerns, comments, feedback please feel free to post it here and I'll respond later this evening.

[MartinD]

Checking in to the netherworld after being lynched in Athens...

dude, we got played by the Mod

evil seer and wolf hoplite in the same village, plus it seems likely the evil marathoner was also in our village since no one came out against PB.

Ouch...

[Lathum]

Well no offense bro, but the converse is true. We in a small game had to go against the Good Seer, the Good Hoplite and the Good Marathon Runner.

no offense taken, but it doesn't make it any less frustrating knowing I basically wasted 3 days with the deck so stacked against us.

IMO a mod should keep things balanced, things in our city were clearly far from balanced.

Now we are going to spend the next 3 cycles lynching Hoops, Heinze and Norm.

seems a trite anti climatic.

[Abe Sargent]

yeah, but I *never* blow up.

[DaddyTorgo]

we may not even get that far hoops - wolves may win it tomorrow in sparta

[DaddyTorgo]

errr we may not even get that far lathum - wolves may win it tomorrow in sparta

[hoopsguy]

I'm hoping there are not enough people left in Sparta to make us waste three more days with those lynchings.

Want me to hand you a wolf that you do not know about on a silver platter? There is one down here.

[Abe Sargent]

Vote hoopsguy

And I'm not unvoting that for forever.

[Chief Rum]

Who is the Sparta Phoenix?

Time to come out if you haven't. If you're a good guy, we can lynch you and send you back up to Sparta.

I am assumung Abe's ability no longer applies, with Athens gone. Pass?

Hades we can win, no doubt about that. But if we lose Sparta, we lose period.

Also, the Evil MR (TheNorm? hoops?) might go to Sparta if lynched here. Not sure if that ability survives (again...Pass?)

[Lathum]

OK, now that I'm done destroying the cradle of modern civilization I need to go get some work done.

Fair warning - I'm not going to make it easy for you guys to get any ties involving me and another wolf.

If you have any questions, concerns, comments, feedback please feel free to post it here and I'll respond later this evening.

don't spend to much time patting yourself on the back.

It would have been hard for you guys to lose

[DaddyTorgo]

Chief Rum you wonderful crafty man - good thinking!

Hopefully the Sparta Phoenix is down here already

[jeheinz72]

I'm the Sparta Phoenix

[jeheinz72]

Send me back up to Sparta, post-haste!

[jeheinz72]

Elevator Up!

[Lathum]

I'm wondering, considering the deck was so stacked against Athens if Abe or CR could be a wolf. Or MartinD is guess.

There may be no wolves left in Sparta, the game was obviously set up for Sparta to win and Athens to lose.

[jeheinz72]

I'm out for awhile. Well, til tomorrow really.

[jeheinz72]

Cheers!

[saldana]

im not gonna check this thread for a while... its just gonna be hinze babbling.... hes a known wolf, and we cnat vote nightfall.

yes we can..rules say we can but we cant take it back

vote heinze
vote nightfall

[The Jackal]

I'm the slightly annoyed Spartan Phoenix.

I suppose it is a good idea to send me back up there, I hadn't mentioned it because the game really comes down to the vote tomorrow.. there's clearly one wolf left in Sparta otherwise the game would be over (and there's definitely not 0 left because there was a night kill). If they get it right, there's no point for me to go back to Sparta because the battle will be here. If they get it wrong, then the wolves are going to win.

[The Jackal]

So I was thinking we might as well start voting off wolves, but if I'm missing something then sure we can send me back up.

[Abe Sargent]

I'm wondering, considering the deck was so stacked against Athens if Abe or CR could be a wolf. Or MartinD is guess.

There may be no wolves left in Sparta, the game was obviously set up for Sparta to win and Athens to lose.

TheNorm is obviously a wolf. He claimed he was a BG and we know the good BG was down here. That makes him obviously a wolf.

Hoopsguy is obviously a wolf too.

That's two wolves.

If I were a wolf, Ahtens would have fallen yesterday when it was 6 players, 3-3, so you know everyone else in Athens, me, you, PB, MartinD are villagers.

[DaddyTorgo]

if heinz came down first thing into hades as i see on my page 2 (in the 80's) and said he thinks that danny is one of the wolves in sparta than i wonder if perhaps that is not the case...or if it was deliberate wolfy misdirection by a known wolf

[Lathum]

If the Jackal is a wolf we lose

[Lathum]

TheNorm is obviously a wolf. He claimed he was a BG and we know the good BG was down here. That makes him obviously a wolf.

Hoopsguy is obviously a wolf too.

That's two wolves.

If I were a wolf, Ahtens would have fallen yesterday when it was 6 players, 3-3, so you know everyone else in Athens, me, you, PB, MartinD are villagers.

excellent point Abe

[DaddyTorgo]

I'm wondering, considering the deck was so stacked against Athens if Abe or CR could be a wolf. Or MartinD is guess.

There may be no wolves left in Sparta, the game was obviously set up for Sparta to win and Athens to lose.

there has to be at least one left, because i was night-killed

[MartinD]

I'm the slightly annoyed Spartan Phoenix.

I suppose it is a good idea to send me back up there, I hadn't mentioned it because the game really comes down to the vote tomorrow.. there's clearly one wolf left in Sparta otherwise the game would be over (and there's definitely not 0 left because there was a night kill). If they get it right, there's no point for me to go back to Sparta because the battle will be here. If they get it wrong, then the wolves are going to win.

While the wolves get an auto-win if they get to parity (as just happened in Athens), the villagers don't, and don't even get told when all the wolves in a city have been eliminated.

In other words, it's possible that there are no wolves left in Sparta.

[DaddyTorgo]

I'm the slightly annoyed Spartan Phoenix.

I suppose it is a good idea to send me back up there, I hadn't mentioned it because the game really comes down to the vote tomorrow.. there's clearly one wolf left in Sparta otherwise the game would be over (and there's definitely not 0 left because there was a night kill). If they get it right, there's no point for me to go back to Sparta because the battle will be here. If they get it wrong, then the wolves are going to win.

good point. and we can't get you up there soon enough to affect the vote (lame - you should regenerate immediately IMHO)

[Abe Sargent]

So in Hades we have one giant COT. I mean giant.

[MartinD]

Addition to previous post - if DT was night-killed, there must be at least one wolf in Sparta.

The main point of my last post still holds, though - villagers do not get an auto-win if all wolves are eliminated in a city.

[Abe Sargent]

Passa, as teh Athens Phoenix, what happens if I am killed here? Just a normal death? This has been asked before but I wasnted to make sure you saws it.

[Lathum]

So I was thinking we might as well start voting off wolves, but if I'm missing something then sure we can send me back up.

I agree with you. The game is obviously stacked so Sparta villagers win. If they can't pull it off then so be it.

We have 3 known wolves down here, I say we pick them off.

[The Jackal]

Yeah I mean if Sparta gets it right we're pretty much guaranteed to win Hades.

[Abe Sargent]

Here's something I don;t get. Why is the bad BG in teh same city as the bad historian. The only thing the bad BG does is block the good seer. When in a city with the bad seer, its a useless ability?

[DaddyTorgo]

Wolves left in Hades:
Heinze
Hoops
TheNorm

Wolves in Sparta:
Danny or Dubb (I believe now it's Danny)

[MartinD]

I'm wondering, considering the deck was so stacked against Athens if Abe or CR could be a wolf. Or MartinD is guess.


I'm a non-roled villager.

As I'm not sure how I met my end in Athens, I don't know if this has been publicly confirmed - will have been included in Pass's 'end of Day 3' post if I was lynched, but there's no way of proving this if I was night-kill.

[The Jackal]

Passa, as teh Athens Phoenix, what happens if I am killed here? Just a normal death? This has been asked before but I wasnted to make sure you saws it.

That's a good question, I asked him earlier conditionally what would happen if my city was destroyed while I was in Hades, and he said you can't go back to the other city, but I wonder if we'd get a second life here.

I didn't notice before that you were the Athenian Phoenix, haven't gone through this thread, but it looks like neither of us are gonna use our powers.

[Abe Sargent]

You were lynched. Hooops move the vote to you at the very very very last second. Revelaeing his hand.

[DaddyTorgo]

I agree with you. The game is obviously stacked so Sparta villagers win. If they can't pull it off then so be it.

We have 3 known wolves down here, I say we pick them off.

Sparta villagers = tools

dubb went crazyass-villager and started throwing out elaborate theories that everyone just sucked up like crazy

[Abe Sargent]

That's a good question, I asked him earlier conditionally what would happen if my city was destroyed while I was in Hades, and he said you can't go back to the other city, but I wonder if we'd get a second life here.

I didn't notice before that you were the Athenian Phoenix, haven't gone through this thread, but it looks like neither of us are gonna use our powers.

I know, and I was SO happy to be Phoenix to, cause then UI'd have like 15 thousand lives.

[Chief Rum]

I'm wondering, considering the deck was so stacked against Athens if Abe or CR could be a wolf. Or MartinD is guess.

There may be no wolves left in Sparta, the game was obviously set up for Sparta to win and Athens to lose.

Lathum, don't overthink things. I'm not a wolf, and I was showing it up there before the wolves killed me, and I have been showing it down here since being killed.

Remember what I said about the numbers two days ago. The game already had some strong advantages for the wolves, in that they could communicate across city lines. You already know TheNorm and hoops are wolves. You know that Athens and Sparta were at most within one of each other with number of wolves. You know heinz is a wolf. You know there's still a wolf in Sparta. And the EHist is dead.

If I or Abe are wolves, that would be five wolves and a wolf sympathizer out of 19 players. Nuts to that. I said on Sunday we started with 4 wolves and the EHist, and that hasn't changed.

[DaddyTorgo]

Yeah I mean if Sparta gets it right we're pretty much guaranteed to win Hades.

let's hope NTN saves the day and dubb wakes up from his crazyass ways.

actually i think dubb has a decent chance of realizing that NTN has to be good and danny is bad - i made the point in the thread explicitly that NTN couldn't be bad because while barkeep was absent from the game the wolves still got their night kill in.

and there's also less to go on with NTN as far as history in the game and danny made some moves that hopefully raise dubb's eyebrows.

[Abe Sargent]

Lathum just pulls an Eeyore sometimes, you know that. ;)

[DaddyTorgo]

I <3 Chief Rum. He's such a good WW-player.

[The Jackal]

didn't you scan BK too? that should be proof enough for whichever of them is the villager, since i assume you were revealed as the good seer when you died

[Chief Rum]

Here's something I don;t get. Why is the bad BG in teh same city as the bad historian. The only thing the bad BG does is block the good seer. When in a city with the bad seer, its a useless ability?

Pass said the role assignment in that respect was completely random. The only definite different city pairs were the Phoenix and the Marathon Runners (and the Ephors, of course). The other four roles could end up anywhere.

[MartinD]

You were lynched. Hooops move the vote to you at the very very very last second. Revelaeing his hand.

I assume this is referring to my post? If so, thanks for confirming this - was out for deadline, and have played it safe by not checking the Athens thread since I got in.

So Hoops and TheNorm are wolves? (I'm pretty much certain about this, but want to be sure...)

[Abe Sargent]

Right, but it sucks that the bad bg was a useless role cause of who he was paired with.

[Abe Sargent]

I assume this is referring to my post? If so, thanks for confirming this - was out for deadline, and have played it safe by not checking the Athens thread since I got in.

So Hoops and TheNorm are wolves? (I'm pretty much certain about this, but want to be sure...)

Yup.

[DaddyTorgo]

didn't you scan BK too? that should be proof enough for whichever of them is the villager, since i assume you were revealed as the good seer when you died

yes

[Abe Sargent]

I think hoops played us becuase here is what he was looking at otherwise:

we took out TheNorm and MartinD with our plan.

hoops is the lon evillager vs PB who is cleared, Lathum and me. He HAS to take out PB.

hoops vs me and Lathum, who had more trust for each other than we did for hoops.

I think that;'s why they tried to ballsy play, and it totally worked against us.

[Abe Sargent]

I meant lone bad guy vs PB

[The Jackal]

I'm not sure why you're sold on Danny as the last wolf though, I wouldn't put it past dubb to act the way he did and make it seem like the wolves didnt want to kill him because he was flinging accusations at villagers.. maybe because he knew who the villagers were..

[DaddyTorgo]

could be...could be. would also have been ballsy of danny to duke the vote to a wolf...

[The Jackal]

yeah seriously

[PurdueBrad]

haven't even caught up but there isn't a chance in hell I'm moving this

vote Hoops

[MartinD]

Seems like there's a bit of momentum going this way...

VOTE HOOPSGUY

[PurdueBrad]

fwiw clappy - i don't think dubb's a wolf.



DT, my $ is on him being a wolf and if I'm wrong, frankly, I don't give a rat's ass.

[Passacaglia]

I am assumung Abe's ability no longer applies, with Athens gone. Pass?

Also, the Evil MR (TheNorm? hoops?) might go to Sparta if lynched here. Not sure if that ability survives (again...Pass?)

Does Abe have an ability?

The Evil MR goes from one earthly city to another. When lynched in Hades, they die.

[Passacaglia]

Passa, as teh Athens Phoenix, what happens if I am killed here? Just a normal death? This has been asked before but I wasnted to make sure you saws it.

Since there is no more Athens to go to, the Phoenix of Athens would die if killed in Hades.

[hoopsguy]

I <3 Chief Rum. He's such a good WW-player.

Me, too. I'm not sure what I was thinking leaving him around for Day 2. I got a case of fancy-play syndrome that night. And I'm ashamed to say that the other wolves just let me do it, rather than telling me to get my head on straight.

[Abe Sargent]

Does Abe have an ability?



Sexiness!

[DaddyTorgo]

hey hoops - why don't you end the suspense and tell us who the wolf in sparta is? either they're going to be lynched tonight and the game will keep going so we'll know they are wolves and we'll finish them off here or the game will be over because you all will win athens + sparta

[hoopsguy]

Hmm, it seems like the people voting for me are pretty determined to leave their votes. How about a doff of the cap for my work in Athens and taking out one of the Spartan wolves instead? There are so many to choose from (more than Chief Rum thinks, anyway).

[hoopsguy]

DT, no deal. But I'll answer honestly on who the unknown wolves in Sparta are that are already down here.

Heinz (duh - nice work on the tie, btw) and The Jackal. In fact, I suggest you start by lynching The Jackal since Heinz and I have been doing all the heavy lifting. Plus The Jackal just loves to post in the "killed early" thread. Help the man out.

Don't lynch TheNorm; it is his first game and you should leave him around until the end in Hades so he can get a chance to get better acquainted with all of you.

[DaddyTorgo]

lol

[Abe Sargent]

Hmm, it seems like the people voting for me are pretty determined to leave their votes. How about a doff of the cap for my work in Athens and taking out one of the Spartan wolves instead? There are so many to choose from (more than Chief Rum thinks, anyway).

I always lynch the most dangerous first. No way am I leaving you around after you raped me wolf style earlier today.

[hoopsguy]

Abe, this one is a done deal - it comes down to Sparta, but the villagers are winning down here. So just give me one extra day as a way of saying, "gee, I may not have enjoyed being raped wolf-style, but I can appreciate the effort that went into the performance".

[Abe Sargent]

Just be glad I have never believed in auto Day One votes or else you'd have one forevermore.

Meanwhile, just like you still played it villager after the results were in just in case of a block or something unusual, similarly, I prefer to vote off what I beleive to be the strongest wolf, just in case. I'm sure you can totally understand that. You got your congrats from me and Lathum in the Athens thread, here, I find you, and I kill you. From one Phoenix to one Wolf.

[hoopsguy]

Abe, I wasn't worried about a block - we knew that we had that out of the way already since he was in Sparta. But I was worried about the duke; that was our foremost worry on the day.

Well, it doesn't seem like I'm going to convince you to change. Hopefully MartinD and PurdueBrad are a little more open-minded.

[hoopsguy]

Do you guys think that we can catch up to the Sparta thread here? I think we need about 350 more posts in a day.

[claphamsa]

Sparta villagers = tools

dubb went crazyass-villager and started throwing out elaborate theories that everyone just sucked up like crazy


except no one blieved him.... and you just went crazy!

[The Jackal]

DT, no deal. But I'll answer honestly on who the unknown wolves in Sparta are that are already down here.

Heinz (duh - nice work on the tie, btw) and The Jackal. In fact, I suggest you start by lynching The Jackal since Heinz and I have been doing all the heavy lifting. Plus The Jackal just loves to post in the "killed early" thread. Help the man out.

Don't lynch TheNorm; it is his first game and you should leave him around until the end in Hades so he can get a chance to get better acquainted with all of you.

I don't even know what to say to that, damn wolves.

[claphamsa]

hoops... we can sure try :)

[Lathum]

can the wolves kill me please so I can go read the sparta thread

[Lathum]

Don't lynch TheNorm; it is his first game and you should leave him around until the end in Hades so he can get a chance to get better acquainted with all of you.

fuck that, there's 5 years of games he can go back and read, I'm taking him out.

[The Jackal]

haha

[hoopsguy]

If I or Abe are wolves, that would be five wolves and a wolf sympathizer out of 19 players. Nuts to that. I said on Sunday we started with 4 wolves and the EHist, and that hasn't changed.

You are making a bad assumption here.

[hoopsguy]

can the wolves kill me please so I can go read the sparta thread

I'll make you a deal - I name who you Duke and we'll take you out so you can read the Sparta thread. Deal?

[EagleFan]

:popcorn:

[Lathum]

I'll make you a deal - I name who you Duke and we'll take you out so you can read the Sparta thread. Deal?

no deal.

TheNorm buys the farm tomorrow.

[hoopsguy]

http://mine.icanhascheezburger.com/view.aspx?ciid=4010903

[hoopsguy]

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/3549/justforlathum.jpg

[hoopsguy]

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/3549/justforlathum.jpg

[hoopsguy]

Guess I needed to spend more time doing this in Clap's games :)

[Lathum]

http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/5562/128849329625276290.jpg (http://img520.imageshack.us/my.php?image=128849329625276290.jpg)

[hoopsguy]

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/7884/moreathensfun.jpg

[Abe Sargent]

Yes, thanks, annoying, thanks. Well, if I was ever going to move my vote I AM NOT NOW. Sheesh.

[TheNorm]

fuck that, there's 5 years of games he can go back and read, I'm taking him out.

:cool:

[Lathum]

I suggest he starts with the Necromancer game

[saldana]

i may have to gm again so i can come up with a ruleset that has hoops die a different horrible death every day...perhaps make every player a duke that can only redirect the vote to him

[claphamsa]

lolerskates

[hoopsguy]

Saldana, it is too bad that you are already locked in with a nightfall vote or you could vote for me too.

Although I guess it does not matter since Lathum is going to duke it to TheNorm.

I really think you guys would like TheNorm if you would give him a chance. Heck, if I can get along with a Michigan fan then anything is possible.

[hoopsguy]

i may have to gm again so i can come up with a ruleset that has hoops die a different horrible death every day...perhaps make every player a duke that can only redirect the vote to him

Nah, you don't have to go that far. Just let everyone vote secretly count x10 when it is cast on me.

You know, kind of like Passacaglia's "Chess" game :banghead:

[Alan T]

Give Hoopsguy a serial killer role in a future WW game, but the catch is one of the names on his list is his own.

[hoopsguy]

Honestly, it has been forever and a day since I got away with anything as a wolf. I forgot how much fun it can be when I'm not scanned on Night 1 or 2.

If the price tag is a couple of extra Day 1 votes next time around, I'll deal with it. But I wonder how a guy like Danny not only gets to live through Day 1 in this game (after how the last game went down with him as a surviving wolf), but also get voted Duke? Seriously? I need to start taking lessons from him on how to win friends and influence people.

[DaddyTorgo]

so you're saying danny is the wolf then hmm?

[hoopsguy]

Yep. You can take that one to the bank. Congratulations on being right about him.

[DaddyTorgo]

lol - so you're saying it's actually dubb then?

[claphamsa]

do we have a vote count? I mean we know 3 wolves here... btu which one is dying?

[jeheinz72]

Vote claphamsa

[jeheinz72]

(just in case my other jabberwocky vote could be misinterpreted)

[DaddyTorgo]

I just want to reiterate for everyone:

if the game does not end at the next deadline then we know that whoever comes down from Sparta is a wolf and the villagers have won Sparta.

Wolves currently in Hades:
Hoops
Jeheinz
TheNorm
+the new arrival from Sparta if the game continues

[jeheinz72]

I just want to reiterate for everyone:

if the game does not end at the next deadline then we know that whoever comes down from Sparta is a wolf and the villagers have won Sparta.

Wolves currently in Hades:
Hoops
Jeheinz
TheNorm
+the new arrival from Sparta if the game continues

You left out clap. He's a wolf I tells ya. A stinkin wolf. That's why I'm voting for him. Not sure what you people's problem is.

[Lathum]

You guys have no idea how tempted I am to duke it to Saldana

[jeheinz72]

Well he was acting fishy in the Sparta thread.

[Alan T]

You guys have no idea how tempted I am to duke it to Saldana

I think you should!

[Lathum]

Vote Hoopsguy

[Chief Rum]

Me, too. I'm not sure what I was thinking leaving him around for Day 2. I got a case of fancy-play syndrome that night. And I'm ashamed to say that the other wolves just let me do it, rather than telling me to get my head on straight.

Heh, thanks, hoops and Daddy T for the kind words. I think I do some things well, but I also think I just flat get lucky sometimes. Like Poli last game. Just a gut call with nothing behind it other than a feel, and that's the sort of thing I have messed up on a bunch of times.

Today seems a foregone conclusion. I'll go with a different wolf candidate, though, just in case we can work up a tie. ;)

VOTE JEHEINZE

[DaddyTorgo]

ties are good. not sure why we're not trying for one. at worst it'll force the wolves to be around at deadline to stop it.

[hoopsguy]

I just want to reiterate for everyone:

if the game does not end at the next deadline then we know that whoever comes down from Sparta is a wolf and the villagers have won Sparta.

Wolves currently in Hades:
Hoops
Jeheinz
TheNorm
+the new arrival from Sparta if the game continues

You left out clap. He's a wolf I tells ya. A stinkin wolf. That's why I'm voting for him. Not sure what you people's problem is.

And Jackal - do not forget about him. Definite wolf.

[hoopsguy]

I feel like it is pretty much my obligation to vote for the seer in this case.

VOTE DADDYTORGO

[jeheinz72]

And Jackal - do not forget about him. Definite wolf.

Oh, well yeah. I mean dude tried to bite my leg!

[jeheinz72]

Unvote claphamsa
Vote hoopsguy

I think you guys may be right. My gut is just telling me that hoops is a wolf. I can't explain it, I just get this feeling I'm right about this one. Let's do this!

YES WE CAN

YES WE CAN

c'mon everybody

YES WE CAN

[jeheinz72]

A vote count would be appreciated Mister Pass A. Caglia

[claphamsa]

hes busy reading as subby trolls his wife.....

[hoopsguy]

So is the villager plan to bore us to death? Sheesh, and here I was looking forward to hanging out with all the vocal Spartans.

[jeheinz72]

I'm a vocal Spartan hoops!

[hoopsguy]

Yes, but I've already been talking to you all game long. Along with TheNorm and The Jackal, that is.

So, at work I cannot use the "reply all" option because it defaults back to the blocked "operationsports" instead of "osatwork" location or the IP address. I cannot begin to tell you how annoying it was doing the "reply" and then having to specify TheNorm (no space) and The Jackal (space). I wish those guys would have just agreed on the naming standard and saved me some work :)

[hoopsguy]

And if anyone thinks that I could make up that lie just to try and cast false doubts, then you are giving me way too much credit.

[jeheinz72]

Yes, but I've already been talking to you all game long. Along with TheNorm and The Jackal, that is.

So, at work I cannot use the "reply all" option because it defaults back to the blocked "operationsports" instead of "osatwork" location or the IP address. I cannot begin to tell you how annoying it was doing the "reply" and then having to specify TheNorm (no space) and The Jackal (space). I wish those guys would have just agreed on the naming standard and saved me some work :)

Oh right, there is that.

[jeheinz72]

I hear you hoops. I use that too and I kept having to type in hoopsguy (no space) DaddyTorgo (no space) and Abe Sargent (space)

It sucked.

[hoopsguy]

Dude, you were communicating with the villagers? No wonder it was so hard for your team to win in Sparta!!!

[hoopsguy]

Hmm, five guests in the forum right now and none of them in this thread. That seems weird.

[claphamsa]

Yes, but I've already been talking to you all game long. Along with TheNorm and The Jackal, that is.

So, at work I cannot use the "reply all" option because it defaults back to the blocked "operationsports" instead of "osatwork" location or the IP address. I cannot begin to tell you how annoying it was doing the "reply" and then having to specify TheNorm (no space) and The Jackal (space). I wish those guys would have just agreed on the naming standard and saved me some work :)
Im the same way, except im not a wolf

[claphamsa]

Hmm, five guests in the forum right now and none of them in this thread. That seems weird.
yeah, no doubt.....

[TheNorm]

Saldana, it is too bad that you are already locked in with a nightfall vote or you could vote for me too.

Although I guess it does not matter since Lathum is going to duke it to TheNorm.

I really think you guys would like TheNorm if you would give him a chance. Heck, if I can get along with a Michigan fan then anything is possible.

:cool:

vote DADDY TORGO

[Passacaglia]

Yes, but I've already been talking to you all game long. Along with TheNorm and The Jackal, that is.

So, at work I cannot use the "reply all" option because it defaults back to the blocked "operationsports" instead of "osatwork" location or the IP address. I cannot begin to tell you how annoying it was doing the "reply" and then having to specify TheNorm (no space) and The Jackal (space). I wish those guys would have just agreed on the naming standard and saved me some work :)

I told you that you could just copy the "reply all" address, and just change it from "operationsports" to "osatwork" yourself!

[Passacaglia]

Nah, you don't have to go that far. Just let everyone vote secretly count x10 when it is cast on me.

You know, kind of like Passacaglia's "Chess" game :banghead:

Hmm. Why is it always my games that end up with people using the banghead (no space) emoticon?

[hoopsguy]

Well, in this case it is because I'm only slightly exaggerating how that vote went down.

[The Jackal]

I wonder what the vote count is, I'm pretty bored and I want to lynch myself.

[The Jackal]

unvote heinz

vote jackal

[The Jackal]

you know you want to lynch me, wolves

[hoopsguy]

Jackal, stop helping the villagers. It is in the wolves best interest to not focus on the vote count so we can sneak up on them later and create a tie.

Oh, noes! Two (or even three) villagers dead! Egads, how could this have happened????

[The Jackal]

Jackal, stop helping the villagers. It is in the wolves best interest to not focus on the vote count so we can sneak up on them later and create a tie.

Oh, noes! Two (or even three) villagers dead! Egads, how could this have happened????

Don't make me burst into flame all over your ass

[The Jackal]

Hrm. What if clap was a wolf and DT is the evil historian and the wolves night-killed DT because they wanted him down here to get a scan in and make clap look good?

[The Jackal]

Hm, wait. Did Athens have an evil historian, do they know?

[The Jackal]

That would squash up that theory.

[jeheinz72]

Unvote hoopsguy
Vote Lathum

Hoops recent posts have given me a much more villager vibe. I think if he was a wolf the Seer would've scanned him by now and revealed.

We all know Lathum is always a wolf. So I'm switching.

[The Jackal]

how insightful of you, heinz

[hoopsguy]

That's the ticket, The Jackal! Change that vote to DT and make your vote count for change we can believe in!

[The Jackal]

Look at these wolves, getting all political and stuff.

[The Jackal]

Only 325 posts until we catch Sparta!

[hoopsguy]

In all seriousness, thanks for at least being here and making this thread a little less drudgery than it has been for the past couple of hours.

[jeheinz72]

VOTE COUNT?!?!?

[The Jackal]

Pleasure.

[The Jackal]

VOTE COUNT?!?!?

you - a bunch
hoops - a bunch

[jeheinz72]

you - a bunch
hoops - a bunch

Hence the problem. I want to make sure one of us has either a bunch+1 or a bunch-1

[The Jackal]

DT, I think I've finally run out of scenarios where you are a wolf, congratulations!

[hoopsguy]

Don't forget that DT has votes. And so does Lathum!

[The Jackal]

I wonder how Sparta's going. I miss the women, mostly.

[jeheinz72]

Unvote Lathum
Vote The ChiefAbe ClapTorgoguy72

[DaddyTorgo]

lol

[hoopsguy]

How about this one? DT isn't the historian at all, because the historian is still up in Athens. DT was just a wolf bluffing at being the historian, but was sent down by the real historian, who did not need to tip his hand to win the vote against him?

I think that scenario is still possible, from what I've gathered down here. Of course DT will tell us that it could not possibly be the case and he'll get all of his Spartan buddies to back that story up ... blah, blah, blah.

[jeheinz72]

I wonder how Sparta's going. I miss the women, mostly.

Hookers and Blow my friend, hookers and blow.

Those were the days, eh?

[The Jackal]

Hookers and Blow my friend, hookers and blow.

Those were the days, eh?

I know man. I had just sent off to China for some opium, too. Damned wolves.

[The Jackal]

How about this one? DT isn't the historian at all, because the historian is still up in Athens. DT was just a wolf bluffing at being the historian, but was sent down by the real historian, who did not need to tip his hand to win the vote against him?

I think that scenario is still possible, from what I've gathered down here. Of course DT will tell us that it could not possibly be the case and he'll get all of his Spartan buddies to back that story up ... blah, blah, blah.

That's quite a reach, but it is possible. Damn DT, I was wrong. You could've faked as a historian knowing clap was good, maybe even that BK was good and be covering for one of the other two wolves who you're sure was gonna win the game. Clever bastard.

[Lathum]

Vote count

TheNorm is Fucked-1 - Lathum (415)

[The Jackal]

How was it being a Spartan in Athens, PB?

[The Jackal]

hahaha

[The Jackal]

way to get the post # wrong, I take credit

[PurdueBrad]

You mean a Spartan who was in Athens and now is in Hell?

[jeheinz72]

I know man. I had just sent off to China for some opium, too. Damned wolves.

Oh, I intercepted that anyhow.

I feel all fuzzzzy

[The Jackal]

You mean a Spartan who was in Athens and now is in Hell?

Well, I'm in Hell too. I know what that's like. I was looking for insight into Athens. For posterity.

[Lathum]

way to get the post # wrong, I take credit

thats right, I did it!

[The Jackal]

cheater!

[The Jackal]

unvote jackal

vote lathum

[hoopsguy]

OK, so serious question - Lathum was complaining earlier about how stacked Athens was against him.

How in the world have we not already won Sparta with three wolves and the duke among ten players to start? Damn it, Danny - why did you duke a wolf?!?!?




Note - although the wolves won Athens we (me especially) made plenty of stupid decisions along the way as well. This post is here merely to get a rise out of Danny when he is allowed to read the thread.

[Lathum]

so since we are in hades if anyone would ever want to know what ring of the Inferno they would end up in go here

Dante's Inferno Test - Impurity, Sin, and Damnation (http://www.4degreez.com/misc/dante-inferno-test.mv)

[hoopsguy]

You mean a Spartan who was in Athens and now is in Hell?

Don't worry, your journeys will be coming to an end soon.

[jeheinz72]

OK, so serious question - Lathum was complaining earlier about how stacked Athens was against him.

How in the world have we not already won Sparta with three wolves and the duke among ten players to start? Damn it, Danny - why did you duke a wolf?!?!?




Note - although the wolves won Athens we (me especially) made plenty of stupid decisions along the way as well. This post is here merely to get a rise out of Danny when he is allowed to read the thread.

Seriously. Whose lame idea was it for a wolf to duke a wolf? That's like hecka dumb.

[PurdueBrad]

Let's see. Sparta was awful, although I'm a big fan of Heinz for his defense of me even though he's a wolf. WTG Heinz, for that, you'll be the last of the wolves I vote for. May even go villager first.

Athens was good times except for the jackass that kept trying to question my goodness and now has just threatened me here. Yeah, I'm talking about you hoopsy. It'll be nice to watch you swing!

[jeheinz72]

Oh I wish I could've voted for you. But you insisted upon making good sense.

[hoopsguy]

Let's see. Sparta was awful, although I'm a big fan of Heinz for his defense of me even though he's a wolf. WTG Heinz, for that, you'll be the last of the wolves I vote for. May even go villager first.

Athens was good times except for the jackass that kept trying to question my goodness and now has just threatened me here. Yeah, I'm talking about you hoopsy. It'll be nice to watch you swing!

Didn't you hear? Lathum is taking out TheNorm. There is some level of professional courtesy that still exists these days :devil:

Meanwhile, in our final act in Hades (after Sparta is done today) we'll have you drawn and quartered. Or something along those lines.

[The Jackal]

so since we are in hades if anyone would ever want to know what ring of the Inferno they would end up in go here

Dante's Inferno Test - Impurity, Sin, and Damnation (http://www.4degreez.com/misc/dante-inferno-test.mv)

Second level of hell for me. Lustful. Yuss.

[Alan T]

so since we are in hades if anyone would ever want to know what ring of the Inferno they would end up in go here

Dante's Inferno Test - Impurity, Sin, and Damnation (http://www.4degreez.com/misc/dante-inferno-test.mv)


I got:

Third Level of Hell

<hr> In the third circle, you find yourself amidst eternal rain, maledict, cold, and heavy. The gluttons are punished here, lying in the filthy mixture of shadows and of putrid water. Because you consumed in excess, you meet your fate beneath the cold, dirty rain, amidst the other souls that there lay unhappily in the stinking mud. Cerebus, a canine monster cruel and uncouth with his three heads and red eyes, dwells in this level. He growls and tears at the damned with his teeth and claws.

[hoopsguy]

Oh, and while I'm at it - at precisely 2:00 PM CST today we wolves will be meeting for a celebratory lunch with the funds we have hacked from your school that were initially earmarked for the elmo document camera.

Hopefully the sommelier has a suggestion for high-end red wines that go with Marathoner.

Buwahahaha!

[The Jackal]

Man, I could go for some lunch.

[Passacaglia]

Eighth level here.

[hoopsguy]

Hmm, I guess this is probably not that big a surprise:

Sixth Level of Hell - The City of Dis

<hr> You approach Satan's wretched city where you behold a wide plain surrounded by iron walls. Before you are fields full of distress and torment terrible. Burning tombs are littered about the landscape. Inside these flaming sepulchers suffer the heretics, failing to believe in God and the afterlife, who make themselves audible by doleful sighs. You will join the wicked that lie here, and will be offered no respite. The three infernal Furies stained with blood, with limbs of women and hair of serpents, dwell in this circle of Hell.

[Lathum]

Second level of hell for me. Lustful. Yuss.

lol, me too

[jeheinz72]

I got Purgatory

[jeheinz72]

http://i349.photobucket.com/albums/q370/jeheinz7272/kerry_ketchup_lies.jpg (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/%5BIMG%5Dhttp://i349.photobucket.com/albums/q370/jeheinz7272/kerry_ketchup_lies.jpg%5B/IMG%5D)

[claphamsa]

Second level

[Abe Sargent]

According to Dante, I'd have been sent to Purgatory.

[hoopsguy]

I bet if EagleFan and USFLTecmo (neither of them wolves, mind you) had votes that they would be willing to join with my coalition and gather votes for DaddyTorgo. You cannot convince me that I'm wrong on this point.

[jeheinz72]

Unvote The ChiefAbe ClapTorgoguy72
Vote DaddyTorgo

[Lathum]

Unvote Hoopsguy
Vote Daddytorgo

I think we learn about hoops' allegience from lynching DT.

[DaddyTorgo]

Unvote Hoopsguy
Vote Daddytorgo

I think we learn about hoops' allegience from lynching DT.

:lol:

this is a joke eh?

[Lathum]

:lol:

this is a joke eh?

no, my vote stands

[The Jackal]

unvote lathum

[b]vote DT/[b]

[jeheinz72]

Dude, Lathum, that is a bit risky doing it with a whole 7 minutes to go.

Remember, hoops and I both waited until the very last minute yesterday.

Damn rookie.

[The Jackal]

bah

vote DT

[DaddyTorgo]

That's quite a reach, but it is possible. Damn DT, I was wrong. You could've faked as a historian knowing clap was good, maybe even that BK was good and be covering for one of the other two wolves who you're sure was gonna win the game. Clever bastard.

:lol:

i don't even understand what you just typed. nonsense

[Lathum]

Dude, Lathum, that is a bit risky doing it with a whole 7 minutes to go.

Remember, hoops and I both waited until the very last minute yesterday.

Damn rookie.

damn, your right

Unvote DT
Vote JAckal

[DaddyTorgo]

how are there questions about my allegience? or is this just the game you're going to play before you duke it to norm because you're imagining me sitting here in my office blowing my top and pulling my hair out?

[Lathum]

how are there questions about my allegience? or is this just the game you're going to play before you duke it to norm because you're imagining me sitting here in my office blowing my top and pulling my hair out?

I never did trust you while skimming the Sparta thread

[Lathum]

Heinze, now?

or to early?

[claphamsa]

how are there questions about my allegience? or is this just the game you're going to play before you duke it to norm because you're imagining me sitting here in my office blowing my top and pulling my hair out?


I am :)

[The Jackal]

Oooh.

unvote DT

vote jackal

[claphamsa]

this thread will entertain some poeple in a week or so.....

[Lathum]

Unvote Jackal
Vote DT

[Lathum]

BAM!

[The Jackal]

unvote jackal

vote DT

[TheNorm]

unvote DT
vote jackal

[The Jackal]

Devious wolf!

[claphamsa]

everyone is here... excpet PASS

[Lathum]

everyone is here... excpet PASS

would you want to be here if you had to count all those votes?

[PurdueBrad]

I made fourth level of hell with Plutus (aka Hoops), the wolf-like demon.

[claphamsa]

hahahah

[hoopsguy]

Wow, I totally missed the end there! Why could that be????

[hoopsguy]

So, where do we get to put in the post-game comments? New thread? Here, since Dante says we all end up in Hades/Purgatory anyway?

[hoopsguy]

Lathum, did you duke the vote? Are you allowed to do that down here???? :eek::rant::mad:

[claphamsa]

here i guess

[DaddyTorgo]

my head hurts...wtf was that?

[Lathum]

Lathum, did you duke the vote? Are you allowed to do that down here???? :eek::rant::mad:


I didn't duke it.

I feel confident DT is a wolf and you are a misunderstood villager

[claphamsa]

I didn't duke it.

I feel confident DT is a wolf and you are a misunderstood villager


i figured that too

[DaddyTorgo]

I didn't duke it.

I feel confident DT is a wolf and you are a misunderstood villager

if you're not kidding then you're an idiot

[DaddyTorgo]

i figured that too

you too

[Lathum]

cmon Pass, I gotta go to class....

[Passacaglia]

In a day where it left like billions of villagers and wolves alike were shouting out votes, the mighty Lathum, Ephor of Athens, cries above them all, "Encyclopedia Brown THIS, BITCH!" He smites TheNorm, who screams in agony as he dies. The rest of the wolves, jeheinz72, hoopsguy, The Jackal and the newly arrived Danny howl in fear, running away from Hades, never to be heard from again.

The villagers win!

[Lathum]

if you're not kidding then you're an idiot

we'll see who the idiot is furry boy

[claphamsa]

yay

[Lathum]

well that was fast

[hoopsguy]

I didn't duke it.

I feel confident DT is a wolf and you are a misunderstood villager

Well, I feel much better now. Sometimes it is hard convincing people to take an alternate look at events but it sounds like you are onboard. Sweet.

[Lathum]

the Sparta people are going to be really confused by that write up

[claphamsa]

i knoew the jackyl was bad!

[Lathum]

Well, I feel much better now. Sometimes it is hard convincing people to take an alternate look at events but it sounds like you are onboard. Sweet.

umm, your dead dude

[DaddyTorgo]

yayy!!!!! GO VILLAGERS!!!

YAY LATHUM!!! (see i'm not furry!!!)

Jackal was the wolf - I knew it. Glad I got him voted down here to Hades as my last move in Sparta. I want to go see how dubb+ntn did against Danny

[hoopsguy]

But I did not get a PM telling me to not look in the thread. I refuse to accept a banning.

[DaddyTorgo]

lol

[DaddyTorgo]

hoopsy funny!

[hoopsguy]

I guess I'm going to do post-game comments in here since that is where most of us were at the end.

I can't believe that we didn't win Sparta on the day we won Athens. I think one issue we had early in the game is that we did not commit to which two cities we were going to win. On Day 4 we did commit to Athens and Sparta, while discarding Hades, based on our actions. But we had already had Danny use the Duke to throw a wolf down to Hades, which clearly was not a good move if we were trying to win Sparta.

Very, very winnable game for the wolves:
Small Game #1 (Athens): 6 villagers, 2 wolves, 1 sympathizer, no bodyguard or seer. We messed up the duke election, effectively giving away that weapon

Small Game #2 (Sparta): 7 villagers, 3 wolves, wolf duke

Disappointing defeat, all in all. I thought the villagers (especially Chief Rum and Lathum) played well in Athens and forced us to get creative down the stretch after some less-than-perfect early play.

Guess I'll read the Sparta thread at some point to see how it matches up with the accounts I got from Danny/Heinz/Jackal.

[Passacaglia]

I realized maybe halfway through this game that hoops, heinz, and jackal were all wolves in my last game, too.

Boneheaded play of the game, IMO -- TheNorm puts in a private vote for Lathum for Ephor of Athens. If he votes for anyone else, he wins it 4-3. Instead it was 4-4, and Lathum won the tiebreaker (most posts in the thread). Even though it was Sparta that caused the wolves to lost and the wolves actually won Athens, I'm pretty sure if they had both Ephors, they would have approached the game much differently, and won easily.

[jeheinz72]

I can't believe that we didn't win Sparta on the day we won Athens. I think one issue we had early in the game is that we did not commit to which two cities we were going to win. On Day 4 we did commit to Athens and Sparta, while discarding Hades, based on our actions. But we had already had Danny use the Duke to throw a wolf down to Hades, which clearly was not a good move if we were trying to win Sparta.



I think that hits the nail on the head. If we decided right away it was going to be the first two, we could've been a lot smarter.

[jeheinz72]

I gotta say it Pass, mainly because I've enjoyed your games so much in the past.

I was loving this game but the Day Three flubs (the Jackal reveal and the late replacement IMO) kinda soured me on the whole deal. Hence I had zero problem just conceeding Hades today either way (not that we would've had a ton of a chance anyhow).

Still, thanks for the game. None of that is excuses for us losing, not trying to sound that way. We made our fair share of mistakes. And by "We" I largely mean me.

[USFLTecmo]

I realized maybe halfway through this game that hoops, heinz, and jackal were all wolves in my last game, too.

Boneheaded play of the game, IMO -- TheNorm puts in a private vote for Lathum for Ephor of Athens. If he votes for anyone else, he wins it 4-3. Instead it was 4-4, and Lathum won the tiebreaker (most posts in the thread). Even though it was Sparta that caused the wolves to lost and the wolves actually won Athens, I'm pretty sure if they had both Ephors, they would have approached the game much differently, and won easily.

Ugh. Especially since I bucked the trend of what was happening. I was assigned to Lathum, but I went TheNorm, figuring that Norm's either a wolf, or he's a rookie villager in these parts, and unlikely to shred us with a duking.

When my night 1 scan revealed Lathum was the Ephor, it wasn't a good feeling.

[Abe Sargent]

Awesome, good job all!

[Passacaglia]

I gotta say it Pass, mainly because I've enjoyed your games so much in the past.

I was loving this game but the Day Three flubs (the Jackal reveal and the late replacement IMO) kinda soured me on the whole deal. Hence I had zero problem just conceeding Hades today either way (not that we would've had a ton of a chance anyhow).

Still, thanks for the game. None of that is excuses for us losing, not trying to sound that way. We made our fair share of mistakes. And by "We" I largely mean me.

I definitely understand that. I was really annoyed that both Days 2 and 3, I ended up in surprise meetings for most of the hour prior to the deadline, leave me frazzled trying to catch up once I got back. That also meant that I missed NTN confirming that he could fill in for Barkeep, and wasn't really able to announce it. I feel that BK probably would have voted the same way NTN did, though, so if he were playing, it probably would have been the same result (though I can't be sure of that, obviously). And I totally messed up on The Jackal as the phoenix -- I revealed him as a wolf instead, when he died in Sparta. I think since I sensed endgame coming, I just didn't think about the phoenixes at all, since I figured they wouldn't have cities to rise up to by the time they died in Hades.

[Passacaglia]

Obviously, the wolves had a much different strategy in the end from what I envisioned happening. I think it was a damn good one -- on Day 3, each city was 4 villagers, 2 wolves, and they went all-out to win the game there. I admit that I was happy to not see the game end on Day 3, but in their attempt to win it all there, they pretty much outed themselves. I was hoping for a more drawn-out Hades, where people filter in slowly, and where people wouldn't know who to believe (i.e. if one or two people come in from Athens and say the guy who came the day before was a wolf, do they believe him?), and we had a little of that sort of thing with saldana and jeheinz72. I'm happy to see that there were some fake reveals -- I thought this game lent itself to that, for those who were missing that sort of thing.

[Alan T]

My only comment if you want to hear from the peanut gallery was that this format was a neat idea, but kind of broke down in execution.

Hades really became irrelevant and in a way just became the new "post here when you get killed early thread". It was mostly filled with frustration from what occured in the earlier cities and then later on once more people were here it was all pretty much a done deal anyways.

So the game really ended up a format of 2 small games that the wolves then had to win both of, but both also seemed pretty heavily slanted to the wolves. (in a normal 9 or 10 person small game, I doubt you have 3 wolves in one city for instance).

Was fun to read though, and I did horribly myself this game, I didn't get a single wolf right until after they were revealed.

[Abe Sargent]

You probably thought I was a wolf after I used your name in my Rules Nazi rant

[EagleFan]

What did I miss? I am extremely confused at this point.