WW XCII Hades -- Claimed by Villagers

[Passacaglia]

This is the thread for everyone in Hades.

[Passacaglia]

Hades
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Chief Rum
jeheinz72
saldana
claphamsa
DaddyTorgo
Lathum
MartinD
The Jackal
Abe Sargent
hoopsguy
PurdueBrad
TheNorm

[Alan T]

Welcome to all of you who have died and come to this thread!

[Passacaglia]

Coming in through the river Styx:

EagleFan
Poli
Schmidty

[Poli]

That's what I'm talking about. Move over, Grover, I'm about to intrude on this jam right here.

[Poli]

Vote Schmidty!

[EagleFan]

Interesting. I was a bad lynch. Schmidty was a night kill. Only one from Sparta? No Sparta night kill?

[EagleFan]

What did things look like in Sparta?

[EagleFan]

Schmidty was a no vote day one. Hope all is well with him.

[EagleFan]

I think Abe and CR are the wolves in Athens. Have to get back to stuff here but I will elaborate later.

[Poli]

Umm, I'm guessing I was the night kill. I had one vote on me, the others were on our 'supposed' runner. Guess he took off.

[Poli]

I declared war on Athens. It was fun. I think Dubb was the only other one to do so.

[EagleFan]

So there was no lynch? Odd.

[Poli]

Like I said, I think our runner admitted...which I think it was PB. I didn't really get a good look into the thread. I'm kinda...kinda...working here. I'm guessing PB took off to Athens before his lynch went through.

We need to get a party started up in here.

[EagleFan]

That really makes no sense. A tie would lynch everyone who was tied and result in a multiple lynch.


vote Poli

[Poli]

Party, Pizza Party!

[Poli]

Say what you say. I had one vote on me. PB had about eleventy billion.

[EagleFan]

Granted I don't understand how the runner would work.

[EagleFan]

Gotta bolt, will be back tonight.

[Poli]

FWIW, I see PB just posted in Athens. He must have bolted over. I wasn't the 2nd leading vote getter, either. That was dubb. The votes must have stuck on PB, who took off.

I then, which I believe is the first time ever I was a day oner, a night kill.

I'm almost honored...but I don't feel like I ever have anything to provide the village.

[Poli]

I HAVE to finish my work up here. I'll be back later.

[Alan T]

Sparta and Athens are both kicking your butts in total post counts you slackers!

[Passacaglia]

Vote Count:


Schmidty -- 2 Passacaglia (4) Poli (6)
Poli -- 1 EagleFan (15)

[Poli]

Sparta and Athens are both kicking your butts in total post counts you slackers!
Who cares about the living. They're so...boring.

[EagleFan]

So the wolves went after Schmidty, a no vote who now automatically has one vote against him for that. I know that I am a villager. That tells me that Poli is not a villager. The wolves planted you here (from Sparta where they can probably afford to lose a wolf as I think there are 5 wolves with 3 in Sparta and 2 in Athens).You come in and immediately vote for Schmidty. Why? That seemed quite deliberate.

It looks like Schmidty is doomed no matter what at this point. Hopefully he shows up and votes Poli so that we get rid of at least one wolf tomorrow.

[Schmidty]

Schmidty was a no vote day one. Hope all is well with him.

Today was my first day at my new job. I fell asleep last night at my desk, woke up at 2 a.m. and went to bed. I thought I would have time to vote this morning, but I had to shower, take my kid to school and be at work by 9 a.m., so there wasn't anything I could do.

Sucks to be voted off because of something I can't control. Of course, that happened to hoops last game, so i can't complain I guess.

[Schmidty]

Oops. Looks like I was night killed.

[Schmidty]

This f*cking sucks.

Vote Schmidty

[Schmidty]

For what it's worth (and no offense to Pass), but I think the missing a vote thing is absolute trash. It punishes people for things that happen in real life, and I think it's totally unfair.

[Poli]

So the wolves went after Schmidty, a no vote who now automatically has one vote against him for that. I know that I am a villager. That tells me that Poli is not a villager. The wolves planted you here (from Sparta where they can probably afford to lose a wolf as I think there are 5 wolves with 3 in Sparta and 2 in Athens).You come in and immediately vote for Schmidty. Why? That seemed quite deliberate.

It looks like Schmidty is doomed no matter what at this point. Hopefully he shows up and votes Poli so that we get rid of at least one wolf tomorrow.
Meh, whatever. I did it on the "always vote for schmidty". Smart money says Schmidty will side with me based on your argument and help me vote you out.

UNVOTE SCHMIDTY
VOTE EAGLEFAN

[Poli]

Schmidty, a little help for your boy, please.

[Passacaglia]

I'm making a little rule change here. Two reasons -- one, I'm not trying to penalize people for having real-life issues, the vote penalty is really meant to weed out people who aren't playing at all, and two, I didn't think about what a killer it would be to have a one-vote penalty with only three people in Hades. So I'm changing the rule so that the one-vote penalty will not apply until there are six people in Hades.

[Passacaglia]

Vote Count:

Poli -- 1 EagleFan (15)
Schmidty -- 1 Schmidty (28)
EagleFan -- 1 Poli (30)

[Alan T]

What happens if it ends up in a three way tie? Based on the tiebreaker rule, do all three die? :)

[EagleFan]

Schmidty, don't vote yourself out. I know I am good and I don't think you are a wolf so that pretty much leaves us one choice. Two if no lynch is a valid vote.

I also think that my logic is fairly valid too. Especially with that initial vote penalty when it was in play. It gives the wolves an easy way to clean house on the first day in Hades and get rid of two villagers easily.

[Poli]

Yeah, right. Nice logic. Whatver.

I know I'm a villager. I know that you're pressing awfully hard...which I think is crazy.

I also know schmidty will side with me...so good luck with that, eags.

[Poli]

On second thought, I don't think I'll bother reading much more of this "I'm a villager" crap.

Eags, you might be a villager. I am a villager.

I think we're probably sitting on three villagers here, to be honest.

Don't be a goob.

[Poli]

This concludes my posting until the deadline.

Do the right thing, Schmidty, or your off my myspace. ;)

Just kidding, of course, about the myspace.

[EagleFan]

It all adds up. Poli with his immediate vote on Schmidty who already had the one hanging over his head, just like it was planned by the wolves. Schmidty, there is one chance that you will remain alive after day 2 and that is to vote Poli. Unless of course Schmidty actually ends up being a wolf but I doubt that.

Me = villager
Schmidty = ? To expand on that. If he was a wolf who was inactive why would the wolves put him in Hades right away. I know he was starting a new job by what he posted in Athens earlier in the weekend and can buy that he got tied up with all of that going on and missed the vote (especially with the vote penalty I can't see there being a plan by the wolves to put him here if he was a wolf). I am pretty sure that Schmidty can make my CoT quite easily.
Poli = ??? Yes it helps the wolves in the main cities if they put three (or 4 if it had turned out that way) villagers in Hades but it helpe them even more if they put a wolf in Hades to clear out villagers early.

[EagleFan]

It makes even more sense when you see how Poli's tone seemed to change after Pass changed the rule that Schmidty had an automatic vote on him with the no vote.

[Schmidty]

It all adds up. Poli with his immediate vote on Schmidty who already had the one hanging over his head, just like it was planned by the wolves.

To be fair, Poli and I ALWAYS vote each other on day 1, even if we change it later. It's tradition. I do however, understand that the wolves could use that to their advantage. Since it looks innocent. But damnit, I don't want to blow tradition.

Poli = ??? Yes it helps the wolves in the main cities if they put three (or 4 if it had turned out that way) villagers in Hades but it helpe them even more if they put a wolf in Hades to clear out villagers early.

But couldn't this same argument be made about you (or even me I suppose)? It could just as well be you as could be Poli.

This is a rough one. What about a tie?

[Poli]

To be fair, Poli and I ALWAYS vote each other on day 1, even if we change it later. It's tradition. I do however, understand that the wolves could use that to their advantage. Since it looks innocent. But damnit, I don't want to blow tradition.



But couldn't this same argument be made about you (or even me I suppose)? It could just as well be you as could be Poli.

This is a rough one. What about a tie?
Bravo, Schmidty.

Now do the right thing. Keep the one of us you like.

[EagleFan]

Don't let Poli push you around. Think it through logically. The wolves were split in a fair manner according to Pass. There are most likley 4 or 5 wolves. That would mean either 2 in each or 2 in Athens (the smaller of the cities) and 3 in Sparta. Why would the sacfifice one of their 2 in Athens to leave themselves with just one wolf in that town and fighting an uphill battle? They can only kill in a city where they have one wolf. You will still be alive day three if it is you and me left. I doubt that if you vote me out.

Look back at Poli's reactions. He had a much stronger negative reaction after it was declared that the automatic vote for you was not in affect.

If you do vote me out watch your back.


From Athens: Abe and either CR or hoops (my money is on CR)
Here: Poli

Hopefully you get the chance to pass that along if I go. Unfortunately that is all I have been exposed to so I can't be of any help from that point forward.

[EagleFan]

Now I just confused myself with another thought. What if Schmidty is a wolf? How would that play out?

They would lose a wolf in Athens and be down to one wolf. That would be bad... but... according to Poli PB has most likley jumped ship to Sparta. A runner can be a wolf I believe. If it's 3 in Sparta and 2 in Athens they send one (Schmidty) to Hades with the goal in mind of jumping another into Athens in his place. They would be able to orchestrate this kind of move with PM ability.

The only thing that I would absolutely HATE about that is that Schmidty had a real world reason to be absent day one. This would mean that real world events would be used as a ploy (the whole give him a break because of what he was doing in RL reasoning). I really hope that is not the case as that would be a pretty childish play.

Because of this I have to stay with my original line of thought and think Poli must be the wolf.

[Schmidty]

This is rough. I'm going to have to piss off one of you, and you're both my boyz (I'm hip) so I feel bad either way.

The other thing is that I'll have to vote right before bed (now), or right before work (2 hours before deadline), so I could be toast either way.

Right now, I'm suspicious of EF, just because he's pushing so hard. HOWEVER, Poli is seemingly going put meekly, so I'm going to put this out for now before bed:

Unvote Schmidty the Great

Vote Poli the Awesome

I will try to check the thread for a few minutes before work and kid delivery tomorrow morning, so I'm kind of "sleeping on it".

[EagleFan]

Not really trying to push hard, just tryinvg to get my thoughts out there so that if I get lynched maybe it will benefit the villagers at some point.

I know there is still the possibility that there are three villagers here which would really suck for us in that a vilager goes home after the vote. On the bright side it would also mean that only one goes home as there wouldn't be a night kill here.

Thinking a little moe about this I doubt that PB is bad if he jumped ship. The wolves would benefit more by having 4 people in Hades day one with 1 wolf.

I am willing to put my cards on the table. Vanilla villager. Unfortunately there are not many cards to be put on the table for me since that is all that I am.


Scenarios:

3 villagers - if this ends up being the case I would be okay with getting the boot as I have no role to protect and thus am less important to the cause. If there are three villagers here than PB is a wolf, that tells me the wolves want us to vote out a villager here for them and they try for an early win in the smaller of the cities (we thought it was 7-2 in the city to start, with Schmidty and me gone it is 5-2 and if they bring PB over it makes it 5-3 and they are one day of avoiding a lynch away from winning that city).

2 villagers and 1 wolf - I know I am a villager so it's 50/50 between the two of you and it makes more sense for Poli to be the odd man out in that case. Why send Schmidty in with a vote against him (at the time this was still he rule, since the woves were able to orchestrate the move I would hope the rule wouldn't change in their favor for that one). With all that said it's really more like 80/20 Poli being a wolf if there is a wolf among us.

2 wolves / 1 villager - highly doubt ths as that would not be a good play for the wolves at all, I'm pretty well screwed if this is the case but it plays out better for the village in the long run so I accept my fate at this point if this is the case.

3 wolves - 0 percent chance

[EagleFan]

Abe is probably a wolf and I think CR is either a wolf or the Evil Historian trying to gain favor and picked up the wolfish pings coming off Abe.

If Abe is a wolf and CR is the EH, hoops could very well be a wolf as he seemed to fall inline with what be was saying without actually agreeing with him.

If Abe is a wolf than Lathum is good. I suspect Abe was trying to make the new guy the duke because there is a better than average chance that Lathum pings wolf to a new player who has not played with him before.

I really have no contingency plan for Abe being good. I wasn't there long enough to get a read on many others and there was not a lot of posting after Sunday night in the Athens thread.

CR reminded me too much of Danny from last game, trying to offer up too much information and ideas. I thought he usually starts out slow but maybe I am wrong about that.



Sorry, a little insomnia tonight after working a 16 hour day (and having a call with our India office which totally pissed me off, I hate it when something that you put effort on to design gets changed by someone who thinks they know better and what they changed will not work, now I have to get it fixed at the last minute).

[Poli]

Poli is a villager with a role. That's what *I* got.

[Poli]

And...I'm off to work for the rest of the day.

You know what, I'll just go ahead and say it, because I'm really embarassed about how Eaglefan is pushing. I'm a Hoplite. I'm a villager and a hoplite. I orginally thought everyone's a villager and a hoplite, so I didn't protect anyone.

Pass ended up telling me I can't protect myself anyway, so it's moot. I sent in a protection of Eagle, thinking that Schmidty was AWOL for some reason or another and Eagle seemingly could use it.

I'm changing it now.

I doubt based on my experience in this game that'll I'll be playing again for a while.

[Poli]

I'm really disappointed in you, Schmidty.

[Passacaglia]

Morning vote count:


Schmidty -- 0
Poli -- 2 EagleFan (15) Schmidty (45)
EagleFan -- 1 Poli (30)

[Schmidty]

And...I'm off to work for the rest of the day.

You know what, I'll just go ahead and say it, because I'm really embarassed about how Eaglefan is pushing. I'm a Hoplite. I'm a villager and a hoplite. I orginally thought everyone's a villager and a hoplite, so I didn't protect anyone.

Pass ended up telling me I can't protect myself anyway, so it's moot. I sent in a protection of Eagle, thinking that Schmidty was AWOL for some reason or another and Eagle seemingly could use it.

I'm changing it now.

I doubt based on my experience in this game that'll I'll be playing again for a while.

Rushing out the door before work. I'll buy your story.

Unvote Poli

Vote Eaglefan

I hope you weren't using drama to sway me. That would suck.

EF, I'm sorry if I got it wrong. Either way, I feel .like shit.

[EagleFan]

If he's a hoplight there is a 50/50 chance of him being an EVIL hoplight. Why let someone cray a river about not playing again based on being voted out affect your vote?

Oh well, villager about to go out.


Watch list:

PB - if he really jumped as Poli says it could very well be a wolf jumper trying to sure up aa city early (going for the smallest city first)

Poli - Bad hoplight? I have been floundering on this lately though as maybe he is good and we have 3 villagers in Hades but am quite sickened by the "I may stop playing" crap because he was being voted for so I hope he gets voted out soon just based on that.

Abe - orchestrated everything in Athens

CR - seemed to follow right along with Abe

hoops - lesser of the reads on him, followed along with Abe but less of a wolfish ping

Lathum - If Abe is a wolf Lathum is good (based on the day one read)

TheNorm - Probably a villager being used by Abe

Schmidty - I feel very certain that he is a villager, would be very dissapointed on several levels if he is a wolf

[EagleFan]

I guess on the bright side I will be able to read the Sparta thread later today and catch up on what happened in Athens since yesterday.

Go village!!!

To whoever joins Hades today. If only one of the two remain, that person is a wolf.

Also, take Poli out tomorrow. If he is going to get so uptight about votes on him that he cries about not playing again he deserves your vote no matter what side he is on.

Good luck Schmidty. Remember what I have posted. Hopefully I at least picked something up in there and that it helps.

[EagleFan]

I doubt based on my experience in this game that'll I'll be playing again for a while.

Do we need much more motivation? It's a freaking game and the only things being said in thread were game related observations. It's pretty sad if that's going to push someone over the edge.

[EagleFan]

Rushing out the door before work. I'll buy your story.

Unvote Poli

Vote Eaglefan

I hope you weren't using drama to sway me. That would suck.

EF, I'm sorry if I got it wrong. Either way, I feel .like shit.

No need to feel like shit, it's just a game. Unfortunately I have been saying nothing but the truth the whole time. Poli may very well also be a villager but I know that I am and see no reason to doubt that you are. That tells me that either Poli is a wolf or we have three villagers here. I have no role so all the village loses with me are numbers.

[EagleFan]

With that said, it's pretty tough having a conversation in here with no one else.


Hi Autumn.

[EagleFan]

I don't think we're catching Sparta or Athens with post count today. :)

[EagleFan]

I can't keep up with those cities all by myself...

[EagleFan]

I'm really disappointed in you, Schmidty.

Don't worry Schmidty. I am not disappointed in you. It's just a game and you did what you did. As you are about to see it was unfortunately not a good thing (unless you actually are a wolf and have me completely fooled).

[EagleFan]

Kind of sad that the previously quoted post was even made.

[EagleFan]

Can I read the other threads yet? This one kind of sucks so far anyway.

[EagleFan]

Wow, a deca-dola?

[Alan T]

Can I read the other threads yet? This one kind of sucks so far anyway.

Think you have to wait until you get the PM just in case something happens unknown behind the scenes and you aren't dead.

[EagleFan]

Think you have to wait until you get the PM just in case something happens unknown behind the scenes and you aren't dead.

I know, just waiting it out and having fun in my thread. ;) It seems like my thread at least with all the silence.

[EagleFan]

Uh oh, the wolves got Pass?

[Passacaglia]

The village decides to lynch EagleFan. EagleFan was a villager!

[EagleFan]

I can read other thread now?

[Passacaglia]

Yes. Do whatever you want. :P

[Passacaglia]

Coming in through the River Styx:

Chief Rum
jeheinz72
saldana
USFLTecmo

[jeheinz72]

Well hell.

[saldana]

yo yo yo...hows it hanging in the underworld.

nice to see you here heinze, since you were the one that got me lynched.

i'll catch up the whole thread when i get home from work

[Alan T]

Welcome to Hades. Please exit your boat to the left. Please do not pet the Cerberus.

[jeheinz72]

yo yo yo...hows it hanging in the underworld.

nice to see you here heinze, since you were the one that got me lynched.

i'll catch up the whole thread when i get home from work

This is a bunch of horsepuckey. I"m confused how it all went down though. You were the leading vote getter and Danny said he had "fireworks" in store.

So did he duke to me and the wolves night killed you?

Or did he BS it since he's (IMO) a farkin wolf and you got lynched and I was the night kill?

Inquiring minds want to know.

[jeheinz72]

Welcome to Hades. Please exit your boat to the left. Please do not pet the Cerberus.

But he looks so cuddly!

[jeheinz72]

So I'm stuck in a room with a buncha dead guys and Alan T?

This is not the kind of game I thought I signed up for.

[Passacaglia]

With 6 people now in Hades, the one-vote penalty is back.

Vote Count

Schmdty -- 1 Passacaglia (77)

[Passacaglia]

Yes, and he also loses the "i" from his name.

[jeheinz72]

Dude that's hard-core!

[saldana]

This is a bunch of horsepuckey. I"m confused how it all went down though. You were the leading vote getter and Danny said he had "fireworks" in store.

So did he duke to me and the wolves night killed you?

Or did he BS it since he's (IMO) a farkin wolf and you got lynched and I was the night kill?

Inquiring minds want to know.

i dont know...since i was ahead in votes, i left the thread at 3 and waited to hear from pass...i never even saw the part about "fireworks" from danny.

[Alan T]

Yes, and he also loses the "i" from his name.

"I"s are forbidden in Hades Passacagla

[jeheinz72]

Oh, whoops if I broke a rule :(

I just didn't think myself a likely death really. But yeah, I guess it doesn't matter since I don't know for sure how it went down.

[USFLTecmo]

I think that's part of the idea of how things are set up, to keep as much suspense as possible.

Pass, I see you decorated in here. Scarlet and gray, I suppose this really IS Hades, isn't it?

[Chief Rum]

I think Abe and CR are the wolves in Athens. Have to get back to stuff here but I will elaborate later.

I don't think you would think that if you saw today. I wanted to rip him a new one (although incidentally, I think he's a villager; a pretty crappy playing one, but a villager nonetheless).

[Chief Rum]

CR reminded me too much of Danny from last game, trying to offer up too much information and ideas. I thought he usually starts out slow but maybe I am wrong about that.

hoops made the same sorta comment about me. What neither of you are factoring in is that I am aways me when I play these games. I don't change, I just play the same way, style wise.

When you see a difference, it has nothing to do with allegiance, but with availability. This game essentially started on Sunday (my only day off), instead of Monday (traditionally a two-job day for me), and it was a boring day off on Sunday, too. Result? A highly unusual number of posts from me.

Think about it, EF. I have been both a villager and a wolf in recent games. Did I start either of those games this way? Chances are, most people would see similarities in my play in all of those games, because they all generally started with me having limited availability (like usual). This game's just unusual in that respect, in that it started on a Sunday.

[Chief Rum]

I think that's part of the idea of how things are set up, to keep as much suspense as possible.

Pass, I see you decorated in here. Scarlet and gray, I suppose this really IS Hades, isn't it?

USFL, I booked after saying I was considering quitting (and I was, but now that the jackass who pissed me off ain't in the same city, I figure I'll stick around and hope he stays there). So what happened after I left? Was I voted off? At the time I left (20 mins until deadline), I had no votes, so I would guess I was killed by the wolves. I know you had one vote for sure, maybe two. Either Abe or hoops were leading.

[jeheinz72]

Well if it's any consolation Chief, I think EF is dead anyhow if I'm reading above correctly.

So how did you Athenites bite it? Who was the lynch and who was the night kill?

[USFLTecmo]

Yeah, there was a tidal wave on me late, for some reason, and Norm ended up pushing me off the ledge, so to speak. You'd have had to be the night kill.

[jeheinz72]

All I know if I'm not voting Poli today. When he bit the dust he was confirmed as the good Hoplite in Sparta.

[USFLTecmo]

The only person I don't have reason to believe is good is saldana. Poli's apparently the good Hoplite, Heinz wouldn't have told us so if he was a baddie, he'd have just offed him at the first opportunity, Chief was a nightkill, Schmidty was a nightkill, and I know I'm a villager, which doesn't really make anyone believe it besides me.

Either Chief or schmidty could have been a wolf sacrificed down to hades, but I doubt Schmidty is at this point, as there was no nightkill here. Ouch. This doesn't look good for us. Either that, or I'm way too trusting.

[Chief Rum]

Okay, I see EF is a goner already. We knew after lynching him yesterday that he was a villager. Shame we couldn't be here to save him today.

I still don't know how I died. Hopefully USFL will know more.

PB is actually a cleared villager. He showed up in Athens as the Marathoner Runner from Sparta, and we challenged the other MR (Athens' original) to come out and challenge him as a wolf, and that other MR stayed hidden. So PB, in my mind, is cleared.

Our Ephor was either Lathum or TheNorm, based on how we did the vote. Whoever it is may have used their power, with me being here being a surprise (unless I was wolf killed).

Abe claimed to be the Phoenix of Athens.

I was trumping a theory when killed that Schmidty, making a name for himself here, I see, is a wolf, based on the fact that the wolves passed over both Ephor candidates and several veteran players not starting new jobs to wolf kill Schmidty, which suggests to me he is likely a wolf missionary from Athens to get their mission started here in Hades.

I don't have much doubt either Poli or Schmidty are wolves, just based on common sense. I know if I were a wolf, I would send one down right away, to increase the wolves' reach and info-gathering ability, and so the villagers don't get too powerful a hold before the wolves get there.

Thoughts?

jeheinze? saldana? Any info on what's going on in Sparta? Can you confirm that PB came up cleared villager?

[Chief Rum]

Schmidty could still be a wolf. He couldn't kill here on Day One without it being obvious he was a wolf.

Nice to be able to confirm Poli.

[Chief Rum]

Oh, and with the Spartans confirming Poli, if my one wolf in the first two night kills theory is correct, that lends obvious credence to the suggestion that Schmidty is a wolf.

[jeheinz72]

Sparta as I left it, was a touch of a clusterfuck really.

Day One:

PB revealed as the Runner pretty early. Dubb was basically haywire all day and managed to accuse just about everyone at some point. Then just decided that PB *had to* be the bad runner. I thought him insane that he could be so sure, but in the end, the idea that PB was at least 50/50 bad prevailed and he was lynched. I don't believe we got word on if PB ended up being good or bad. If we did then I forget, so it was probably that he was good (since I'd have surely remembered had we been told he was a wolf).

Night one was the Poli killing and we were told he was a villager hoplite

Day Two: It became clear Danny was our Ephor. Our candidates were he, clap and someone else and Clap said he didn't get it. I know I had voted for Danny so it made sense to me he got it.

Our Day Two vote was basically a sit around and wait. No real votes most of the day and it was a tie at or near two votes between candidates of Sal, Clap and Jackal. Dubb picked up a one off vote. BK never did vote. In the end sal had the most votes at 3, but Danny said to "expect fireworks" and then I left to get some work done.

Next thing I know I'm in Hades. So either Danny ephor'd it to me and they then strangely night-killed sal anyhow or Danny bluffed and Sal was lynched and I was night killed. I don't know for sure either way. My hunch is that Danny is a wolf based upon either action of that result. I was a voter on sal but not with a whole lotta force to be honest. He was at the top of a meager list of candidates really and the most suspicious thing he did in my mind was seemingly continue to pair votes with clap. But Sal also stepped up big time and basically kept sacrificing himself to avoid a tie-vote scenario multiple times. I agreed with his plan and would've moved my vote, but in doing so my only real options would have then created some form of tie or lined my vote up with him and clap which I wasn't so hot on.

[jeheinz72]

if sal isn't a wolf, then I would wager at the least Danny and Clap are from Sparta

If sal is a wolf, Danny might be still and they thought it worth it to send him here as a villager (via the night kill) rather than overtly as a wolf (via a lynch). That or sal happens to be a wolf and Danny happens to be a friggin retard.

[Poli]

Hi guys. Please don't take my stance against EF as off-putting. I just didn't like how he "came after me". I honestly don't know what got into him thinking..."OMG, POLI IS WOLF!1!!"

I wouldn't have minded a decent conversation about the merits of all three of us being villagers vs. wolves. Holy cow, though, it seemed like no matter what I posted he had a way to twist it to his own satisfaction, which honestly made playing this game very unfulfilled.

Quite honestly, one of us may have been a wolf. I still think there was a better chance none of us were.

Sadly, his play became tiring for me to even bother reading. I decided to come out with my information. Seriously, I thought I would be dead this afternoon. Eagle's argument that there was a 50/50 shot of me being a wolf I figured would persuade Schmidty.

I'm surprised that it came out in Sparta that I was a good Hoplite. Unfortunately, if there's a wolf amongst us today, I will be dead tomorrow, lynched or not.

In that case, gentlemen, it was fun sans Eaglefan.

No offense, Eags, you just kind of sapped the fun out of what I thought would be a "fun time" in Hades (hence a number of posts I started with here).

God speed, villager.

Oh, and guys, welcome to Hell.

[Poli]

Just to add on to my previous post...I recall an argument that lynching PB made sense as there was a 50/50 shot he was bad being the marathon runner. I figured the same argument would be made here once I revealed as the hoplite.

I had a small hope that even in my lynching that if someone else revealed as a hoplite that they would be doomed by my action.

[jeheinz72]

I can see where you're coming from on that Poli. I think EF likely meant well, but I know that's happened to me before with him (maybe not to that degree tho)

[Poli]

That said, I'm off for my run and workout. I'll be back in an hour or so.

[jeheinz72]

Yeah I'll be back in the morning ready to discuss the matter at hand.

[Chief Rum]

So Poli was the nightkill then?

USFL, do you recall what Pass said about a roled wolf being nightkilled? I believe he said that a roled wolf would come up as a vanilla villager if wolf-killed.

If I am remembering that correctly, then Poli is cleared for sure, not because of the villager reference (wolves getting night killed are "revealed" as villagers, so that proves nothing), but because of the Hoplite reference (nightkilled wolves would only be revealed as vanilla villagers).

As for EF, Poli, he did almost the exact same thing to Abe in Athens before getting lynched, and I think Abe is a villager, too. So don't feel too bad about EF.

BTW, EF seemed really disconnected in this one. He suggested five wolves on Sunday, and I explained to him how it was extremely unlikely that Pass would have 5 wolves and the EHist in the game (Pass confirmed all roles are in the game, BTW), as that would be 6 of 19 players as bad guys. He agreed with me at the time, and said he just didn't look close enough. Then I read him in here saying he thinks there are five wolves again. Weird.

[jeheinz72]

IIRC any night-killed wolf shows as villager to the remaining players in that city. It was

any wolf -> vanilla
vanilla -> vanilla
roled villager -> roled villager

Hence I'm 100% on Poli's innocence.

[Schmidty]

Just got home. I'm baffled as to why CR thinks I'm a wolf.

I'll say it right now, I don't have a role other than vanilla villager, so I guess if you guys kill me, you don't lose much. Do what you want, I guess.

[Chief Rum]

Just got home. I'm baffled as to why CR thinks I'm a wolf.

I'll say it right now, I don't have a role other than vanilla villager, so I guess if you guys kill me, you don't lose much. Do what you want, I guess.

I don't have any overt signs, Schmidty. Just follow my logic. You're free to disagree with it, of course; it's just a theory.

Basically, the wolves passed over both Ephor candidates (one of whom is a longtime strong vet player in Lathum), and possible big rep vets like hoops and myself (and Abe, too, although I would argue he was getting heat, so why night kill him) to go after you. Now you're also a strong vet player, but everyone knew you were going to be in and out because of the new job. On top of that, because of your family responsibilities and West Coast address, you tend to be a less consistent presence in most WW games than other vet players. And you're stubborn like me or Lathum, so you draw votes naturally when you're not UTR.

Basically, the wolves made an extremely curious decision in night-killing you over several other more obvious candidates. Why? You're also saying you're a vanilla villager, so it couldn't have been they thought you had a role.

And I theorized that in the Athens thread before coming here and getting new info. That info is that the other nightkill yesterday was Poli, and he is a confirmed villager. If we accept you as a villager, we are accepting that the wolves chose to put four villagers in Hades, which is one heck of a lockdown on this city to start. They didn't know PB was the good MR and would flee to Athens.

It seems far more likely the wolves chose to send one of their own down the first day, which would explain why you were the nightkill candidate over more obvious candidates.

Perhaps you're innocent, and a vanilla villager. But it requires some decent-sized leaps of faith to accept that on face value, and some holes in the wolves' logic, if so. I am certainly not married to this. I don't have anything concrete against you, nor do I get a good or bad vibe from you, wolf-wise. But this what the theory says.

If you have some counterpoints to this that make it unliekly, or an alternate theory to explain why the wolves made the night kill choices, I am all ears.

[Schmidty]

I don't have any overt signs, Schmidty. Just follow my logic. You're free to disagree with it, of course; it's just a theory.

Basically, the wolves passed over both Ephor candidates (one of whom is a longtime strong vet player in Lathum), and possible big rep vets like hoops and myself (and Abe, too, although I would argue he was getting heat, so why night kill him) to go after you. Now you're also a strong vet player, but everyone knew you were going to be in and out because of the new job. On top of that, because of your family responsibilities and West Coast address, you tend to be a less consistent presence in most WW games than other vet players. And you're stubborn like me or Lathum, so you draw votes naturally when you're not UTR.

Basically, the wolves made an extremely curious decision in night-killing you over several other more obvious candidates. Why? You're also saying you're a vanilla villager, so it couldn't have been they thought you had a role.

And I theorized that in the Athens thread before coming here and getting new info. That info is that the other nightkill yesterday was Poli, and he is a confirmed villager. If we accept you as a villager, we are accepting that the wolves chose to put four villagers in Hades, which is one heck of a lockdown on this city to start. They didn't know PB was the good MR and would flee to Athens.

It seems far more likely the wolves chose to send one of their own down the first day, which would explain why you were the nightkill candidate over more obvious candidates.

Perhaps you're innocent, and a vanilla villager. But it requires some decent-sized leaps of faith to accept that on face value, and some holes in the wolves' logic, if so. I am certainly not married to this. I don't have anything concrete against you, nor do I get a good or bad vibe from you, wolf-wise. But this what the theory says.

If you have some counterpoints to this that make it unliekly, or an alternate theory to explain why the wolves made the night kill choices, I am all ears.

Vote for me then.

[EagleFan]

:popcorn:

go villagers...:)

[Poli]

:waves

[EagleFan]

Hi Poli

[Poli]

I don't know who I'm voting for at this point, but I do know it won't be Schmidty, as he did take me off the block today.

I'm guessing it'll be saldana or usfl, I'm not sure I've heard anything out of either.

[USFLTecmo]

The only person I don't have reason to believe is good is saldana. Poli's apparently the good Hoplite, Heinz wouldn't have told us so if he was a baddie, he'd have just offed him at the first opportunity, Chief was a nightkill, Schmidty was a nightkill, and I know I'm a villager, which doesn't really make anyone believe it besides me.

Either Chief or schmidty could have been a wolf sacrificed down to hades, but I doubt Schmidty is at this point, as there was no nightkill here. Ouch. This doesn't look good for us. Either that, or I'm way too trusting.

Poli, you're thinking what I'm thinking. I'm making mine official now.

VOTE SCHMIDTY

[USFLTecmo]

Heh, wrong S player.

UNVOTE SCHMIDTY
VOTE SALDANA

[saldana]

i would more or less agree with Heinze's summation of sparta

the only person i am ruling out for today is Poli, who, as Heinze said, came up as the good hoplite when he was night killed.

we lynched purduebrad on day one because he admitted that he was the marathon runner. that actually gave us a 50/50 shot of hitting a wolf. as soon as the athens runner shows up, he will get lynched for the same reason. that all said, PB was leading the vote when he made his reveal

i am not sure if i got lynched or not. at one point, there was a 3 way race between myself, The Jackal, and Clap, with my own vote on the Jackal. in an effort to prove myself a villager, i moved my vote to Barkeep who was a throwaway and actually cleared the way for my own lynch and made it harder for a tie, which would have been a catastrophe for the village.

whether or not there were some kind of Danny heroics i dont know. I left the thread at 3pm and didnt go back. If heinze is telling the truth about having gone back to see that, he would also know that i was never there. so he could easily be a wolf that killed himself and is passing it off as being the duke victim

as far as who i distrust in Sparta, dubb was his old self, slinging mud everywhere and raising a ruckus...part of me wants to believe that he wouldnt draw so much attention to himself if he were a wolf, but he also refused to give me any credit for sacrificing myself for the good of the village.

i was pretty solid in my own mind on the idea that the wolves would kill one of their own on night one in order to start killing in hades, which could have been thrown into confusion in sparta when PB (who is still a 50% chance of being a wolf). since we know Poli is good, that leaves schmidty for me.

one thing i havent seen anyone throw out as a potential problem we as villagers may have...the wolves may be able to talk to each other regardless of the city they are in...it wouldnt really make sense that if there are 2 wolves in each of the starting cities that they cant all talk to each other... i would think they would need to be able to coordinate their efforts in terms of intentionally sending someone to Hades, and they would, at the very least, be able to know all of the other wolves as soon as one from each city arrived here if they couldnt talk before across the cities.

the more i think about it, the worse i feel about schmidty

[saldana]

holy crap...that might be my longest post ever.

[Poli]

Hmm. Welcome to the party saldana.

I think I need to get my vote in now, though I have a pretty good chance of being online tomorrow during the day. Hooray for work sites with the internets.

With lack of, well, anything other than his vote for saldana...though this could easily change. I'd really like to revenge vote Chief Rum, but I won't do that. ;) I was a wolf, after all, in that game.

VOTE USFL

[Chief Rum]

Vote for me then.

Actually, no, I found a really good reason to change my mind.

Poli was known in Sparta to be the good Hoplite, and I know from Pass that at least one wolf was in Sparta today (probably two). And wolves can PM across city lines, and Poli can't protect himself.

i.e. No way Schmidty, as a wolf, lets, essentially, the bodyguard live, even if it gives himself up as a wolf.

My logic was sound, but I think this new way of looking at it makes it pretty clear Schmidty's a good guy. Sorry, Schmidty. I am officially confused by the wolves' actions then. Schmidty, is there anything you might have said in Athens that would have made them think you had a role?

As for saldana, I saw jeheinze bring him up before. Can someone tell my why sal is suspicious?

[Chief Rum]

Hmm. Welcome to the party saldana.

I think I need to get my vote in now, though I have a pretty good chance of being online tomorrow during the day. Hooray for work sites with the internets.

With lack of, well, anything other than his vote for saldana...though this could easily change. I'd really like to revenge vote Chief Rum, but I won't do that. ;) I was a wolf, after all, in that game.

VOTE USFL

Heh. :p

If we have a day to wait and another candidate to consider, we might want to wait a day on USFL. As the lynch candidate in Athens, his allegiance will be known there, and we will probably get a new arrival tomorrow who can tell us what that result was.

Otherwise, though, I don't have an issue voting USFL. He was on my "no read" list in the Athens thread, because I just flat didn't have enough information or prior knowledge on him.

[Chief Rum]

i was pretty solid in my own mind on the idea that the wolves would kill one of their own on night one in order to start killing in hades, which could have been thrown into confusion in sparta when PB (who is still a 50% chance of being a wolf). since we know Poli is good, that leaves schmidty for me.

one thing i havent seen anyone throw out as a potential problem we as villagers may have...the wolves may be able to talk to each other regardless of the city they are in...it wouldnt really make sense that if there are 2 wolves in each of the starting cities that they cant all talk to each other... i would think they would need to be able to coordinate their efforts in terms of intentionally sending someone to Hades, and they would, at the very least, be able to know all of the other wolves as soon as one from each city arrived here if they couldnt talk before across the cities.

the more i think about it, the worse i feel about schmidty

They can talk across city lines. I confirmed that on Day One with Pass (I asked him a ton of questions about the ruleset, USFL can confirm). I laid out above how, it turns out, Schmidty has to be good. Otherwise, I am of a mind with you. I have no idea why the wolves would not send one of their own on Day One. Perhaps they thought it would be too obvious? In that case, I would have to assume at least one of the two night kills on Day Two is a wolf. I, however, am not a wolf, so, to me, that makes the question of just who was the night kill from Sparta today of even more importance.

I am leaning toward whichever is the night kill from Sparta (yourself, sal, or jeheinze, if we can figure it out), or probably USFL as a default. Of course, for the same reason that USFL could be a wolf, so could the Sparta day lynch today, so the other one of sal/jeheinze isn't really cleared either. That said, I don't think both sal and jeheinze are wolves because I think Sparta has no more than two wolves (I think it started with two wolves each city), and both of them getting killed today would give Sparta to the village.

[Chief Rum]

Oh, BTW, something serious to consider.

Abe has come out as the Athens Phoenix, and as of 20 minutes prior to deadline, no one countered his reveal. I also think he's a villager. Now, the other Phoenix in Sparta does not have to be a bad guy (the role isn't set up that way), but he certainly could be. Pass as much as said he would have re-roled if both Phoenix ended up wolves, so if Abe is a villager, it's certainly still possible for the Sparta Phoenix to be a wolf. We also know the wolf MR is still in Athens.

Let's say the hypothetical evil Sparta Phoenix (if a wolf) is killed by the wolves there, we wouldn't get a role and that person would come up villager. If the village wins Sparta with two players, it is not inconceivable for the wolves to regain control of Sparta with a well-timed lynching of the Sparta Phoenix here in Hades, and the MR in Athens, perhaps with the help of a wolf Ephor (we're not certain if we have a wolf Ephor or not).

Food for thought, anyway, although certainly neither here nor now at the moment.

[saldana]

ok chief, i will buy your line of reasoning on schmidty, and since i wanted to anyway, since he helped lynch me the first time

vote jeheinze

[jeheinz72]

Can't argue with that one Sal.

[Passacaglia]

Morning vote count:


Schmidty -- 1 Passacaglia (77)
saldana -- 1 USFLTecmo (111)
USFLTecmo -- 1 Poli (114)
jeheinz72 -- 1 saldana (119)

[jeheinz72]

As far as why Saldana was on the hit list in Sparta to begin with, well, that was the problem with Sparta. When PB revealed on Day One it pretty much nullified all discussion that day (I didn't vote for him in an effort to keep discussion alive).

So Day Two came around and it was basically Day One version 2.0. The only person who had really acted strangely was Dubb, but I felt (and I think most people agreed) that he was just acting TOO insanely to be a wolf. I had thought he was just slingin' mud to see what stuck. Basically everyone else I was more or less "Meh" on. I initially had some trust in Danny, voting for him for Ephor which he won and so I didn't consider him on Day Two. I wish I would have as I'm fairly sure that he then duked it to me.

My most likely theory is that Danny and Sal are wolves. Rather than let Sal get lynched as a wolf (and revealed as such) they decided it was more beneficial for Danny to use the Duke that people knew he had on me and then send Sal to Hades to let him kill here rather than set up wolf vs. wolf for today in Sparta.

I think that theory makes sense, but really only is concrete if one of the following is true

A) There were 3 starting wolves in Sparta
B) The wolves felt that they were looking great in Athens
C) The wolves felt that Sparta was going to be very hard to win with Sal lynched as a wolf

[jeheinz72]

To continue...(my browser has been crashing so I'm breaking this up)

My thoughts on each

A) I'd figure this somewhat unlikely. Not impossible given some dynamics in this game, but not an overwhelming likelihood that we started with something other than 2. Neither vote seemed all that well coordinated frankly

B) I don't know much on this one, but if I'm reading CR correctly the ousters from Athens have been EF (villager), Schmidty (somewhat likely villager), CR and USFL. CR I'm reading villager on. USFL I don't know much about. He seems villager here, but could also be a wolf or a wolf-sympathizer

C) If it was just Danny and Sal to start then this is possible. If Sal gets lynched it would've left Danny in a 5-1 hole and even with the Ephor ability that's a tough road to hoe.

[saldana]

of course you realize the flaw in your theories....?

i am not a wolf. and you are. the thing that torqued me the most yesterday was that you refused, and are still refusing to acknowledge that I basically sacrificed myself...i could have made a tie with myself and clap that would have likely sent two villagers to Hades in the same day. Instead, i threw my vote away...if i were a wolf about to die, why in Gods' names would i not have taken a villager with me for free.

[jeheinz72]

of course you realize the flaw in your theories....?

i am not a wolf. and you are. the thing that torqued me the most yesterday was that you refused, and are still refusing to acknowledge that I basically sacrificed myself...i could have made a tie with myself and clap that would have likely sent two villagers to Hades in the same day. Instead, i threw my vote away...if i were a wolf about to die, why in Gods' names would i not have taken a villager with me for free.

?? Let me re-dig my post but actually yesterday I gave you a ton of credit for this.

[jeheinz72]

Sparta as I left it, was a touch of a clusterfuck really.

Day One:

PB revealed as the Runner pretty early. Dubb was basically haywire all day and managed to accuse just about everyone at some point. Then just decided that PB *had to* be the bad runner. I thought him insane that he could be so sure, but in the end, the idea that PB was at least 50/50 bad prevailed and he was lynched. I don't believe we got word on if PB ended up being good or bad. If we did then I forget, so it was probably that he was good (since I'd have surely remembered had we been told he was a wolf).

Night one was the Poli killing and we were told he was a villager hoplite

Day Two: It became clear Danny was our Ephor. Our candidates were he, clap and someone else and Clap said he didn't get it. I know I had voted for Danny so it made sense to me he got it.

Our Day Two vote was basically a sit around and wait. No real votes most of the day and it was a tie at or near two votes between candidates of Sal, Clap and Jackal. Dubb picked up a one off vote. BK never did vote. In the end sal had the most votes at 3, but Danny said to "expect fireworks" and then I left to get some work done.

Next thing I know I'm in Hades. So either Danny ephor'd it to me and they then strangely night-killed sal anyhow or Danny bluffed and Sal was lynched and I was night killed. I don't know for sure either way. My hunch is that Danny is a wolf based upon either action of that result. I was a voter on sal but not with a whole lotta force to be honest. He was at the top of a meager list of candidates really and the most suspicious thing he did in my mind was seemingly continue to pair votes with clap. But Sal also stepped up big time and basically kept sacrificing himself to avoid a tie-vote scenario multiple times. I agreed with his plan and would've moved my vote, but in doing so my only real options would have then created some form of tie or lined my vote up with him and clap which I wasn't so hot on.

From my recap yesterday.

I don't know what you are, but I'm definitely giving you credit for doing that and it's part of the reason I didn't just drop a vote for you right after my recent analyzation of events from the two posts above.

[jeheinz72]

CR - Why did USFL get lynched?

[USFLTecmo]

He left a bit before the lynch, and I happened to:

1. Have a vote on me from earlier,
2. Not be a revealer (Abe),
3. Not be hoopsguy,
4. Lose out when the rookie (who I recruited, oddly enough) decided between me and hoopsguy with a minute left, and then someone else piled on right at the deadline. If I had more time to look before knowing I was toast, I may have been able to pick up some wolfish activity, but I'll leave that to the vets in Athens at this point.

[jeheinz72]

Well, right now I know only one person is for sure with me. If I'm reading the recap right, I'd bet USFL did *something* fishy and it either a wolf or played nice enough with the wolves as the Evil Historian

Vote USFLTecmo

[Schmidty]

Well, I guess I need to decide. In a way, I want to vote for Poli because I don't like how he played me the last lynch, but I'm going to go on gut:

Vote USFLTecmo

[USFLTecmo]

Self preservation is never fun, but it's necessary sometimes.

UNVOTE SALDANA
VOTE SCHMIDTY

[saldana]

my thing about heinze is...he admitted what i did was definitively pro-villager, but is still coming after me...so did he forget his own statements of fact, or is he choosing to ignore them

[saldana]

fyi all...i am likely out until after the deadline.

go village

[jeheinz72]

my thing about heinze is...he admitted what i did was definitively pro-villager, but is still coming after me...so did he forget his own statements of fact, or is he choosing to ignore them

Huh? Dude I'm not coming out against you. If I were, I'd have my vote on you.

I surmised a theory that was based upon a lot of presumations about what has or is happening in the game. Ultimately, I decided you aren't the best candidate and have my vote elsewhere.

[Chief Rum]

Ideally, we could wait a day to get more arrivals who might know more about all four of us from yesterday's lynch. But we don't have that luxury.

I still think it's likely that at least one wolf was sent down yesterday, so it would be the nightkill of saldana or jeheinze (since it's not me), but I can't decide between the two right now. Not enough information.

So I think I am going to USFL, too, but it isn't a comfortable vote. Fact is, we're not even sure we have a wolf here at all. But we have to vote, I believe, so that's that.

VOTE USFLTECMO

[jeheinz72]

We do have to vote. Well I take that back, we could all not vote and all get a -1 penalty for our trouble. That would be horrific :)

[USFLTecmo]

I'm dead soon (today, maybe tomorrow) anyway, so I might as well put this out there.

The fact there was a quick switch to me late didn't give me any time to reveal that I'm a historian until it was too late. I gave the village everything I knew (which was one scan, Lathum, who's a villager) right at the deadline, once it was clear I was a goner. I also scanned Chief Rum, he's a villager as well.

So, you have a 50/50 shot. Am I the good historian or the evil historian? I probably won't be protected tonight, so if there is a wolf around in the next hour, I'm a goner, but if there isn't, Poli may be able to protect me tomorrow night, if he isn't offed himself. If I'm evil, then you'll all vote me off tomorrow, no big deal, and you'll know for sure when you kill me you're doing the right thing.

[jeheinz72]

So wait, you're the Seer who is going to manage to get lynched twice? I find that highly unlikely.

My bet is you're actually the Evil Historian and playing nice with wolves got you heat and got you lynched the first time. This time you were kind of the odd man out and frankly I'd think any move to save you is a wolf who is wisely surmising you're valuable to him to keep around.

[jeheinz72]

Pass, if you see this, can I get a vote count? I have 4-2-1

[USFLTecmo]

Abe's late reveal had everyone looking for a home, and since I kept quiet about my ability, PB was getting a free pass for being the MR, and no one wanted to touch our two Ephor vote candidates, it left very little left for them to choose from. Feel free to believe your gut, it's just going to cost you a historian.

[jeheinz72]

I don't doubt it's costing me a Historian. I just don't think it's actually costing me the villager beneficial one :)

[Chief Rum]

Hmm, this is troublesome. I don't like to lynch seers.

But jeheinze is right, this is at least a little suspicious. I will say it came on you quick yesterday, since with 20 mins to go, you had maybe one or two votes on you. But if they were there to vote for you, they were there for you to reveal to them. It worked for Abe, why not you? Why didn't you reveal?

I actually want to vote for sal or jeheinze, whichever was nightkilled yesterday. If I could tell which was which, I would switch to that person, because I think the one NK'd yesterday in Sparta is a wolf (guessing a wolf move). Unfortunately, there is a lot of confusion about what happened in Sparta at the deadline yesterday, so I have to hold off from that. Which leaves you.

[Poli]

Well, I guess I need to decide. In a way, I want to vote for Poli because I don't like how he played me the last lynch, but I'm going to go on gut:

Vote USFLTecmo
?

I didn't play you, my brother from another mother. I actually appreciate you not voting me out, Survivor style. I can promise you this: You won't receive a vote from me in this game.

[Poli]

Of course, I'm likely nightkilled in about 7 minutes.

[Poli]

That reminds me, I need to send in my protect.

[jeheinz72]

Do we have any idea of a vote count?

[Poli]

I'm going to try and stay on for the results, but I can't make promises. I'm kind of at the whim of my boss right now.

[Passacaglia]

Vote count:


Schmidty -- 2 Passacaglia (77) Schmidty (131)
saldana -- 0
USFLTecmo -- 4 Poli (114) jeheinz72 (129) Schmidty (130) Chief Rum (135)
jeheinz72 -- 1 saldana (119)

[USFLTecmo]

Hmm, this is troublesome. I don't like to lynch seers.

But jeheinze is right, this is at least a little suspicious. I will say it came on you quick yesterday, since with 20 mins to go, you had maybe one or two votes on you. But if they were there to vote for you, they were there for you to reveal to them. It worked for Abe, why not you? Why didn't you reveal?

I actually want to vote for sal or jeheinze, whichever was nightkilled yesterday. If I could tell which was which, I would switch to that person, because I think the one NK'd yesterday in Sparta is a wolf (guessing a wolf move). Unfortunately, there is a lot of confusion about what happened in Sparta at the deadline yesterday, so I have to hold off from that. Which leaves you.

C'est la vie. In my defense, though, not that it matters, I didn't even become a legit candidate before 10 minutes to the deadline, didn't have a tying vote on me until a couple of minutes to deadline, and we still had TheNorm floating out there. I took the 50/50 chance I'd live and not be outed at that point. It failed, especially when someone else piled on after him.

[jeheinz72]

Of course, I'm likely nightkilled in about 7 minutes.

I dunno man. If the wolves are mainly concerned about Athens and Sparta, they may have not sent a wolf here yet. If USFL as the Evil Historian is it, I can't imagine he gets a kill even if he does survive this lynch

[Poli]

Schmidty voted for himself? Did I miss something?

[USFLTecmo]

Oh, and cue the Ketchup porn, while we're at it.

[Poli]

I'm holding out hope, that's for sure. I'd really like it if we were all just good ol' villagers at this point, but the more populated this place gets, the more unlikely that is.

[Poli]

Ah, that's usfltecmo that voted for schmidty at 131.

[jeheinz72]

Unvote USFL
Vote Schmidty

[USFLTecmo]

Wow.

[jeheinz72]

Time check.

[Poli]

Heinz?

[Poli]

Wow, by my understanding, that means Schmidty and USFL are off the island/hell.

[Poli]

Bold move, Heinz. I like it.

[USFLTecmo]

My death won't completely be in vain. :)

[Chief Rum]

heinz must be a wolf. Only thing I can think. And if he saves USFLTecmo, I have tot hink USFLTecmo is the Evil Historian.

Schmidty's innocence seems pretty established at this point. Unless you think the wolves would let Poli live yesterday.

[jeheinz72]

Yeah, hopefully this works out

[Passacaglia]

This look right to you all?


Schmidty -- 2 Passacaglia (77) USFLTecmo (131)
saldana -- 0
USFLTecmo -- 3 Poli (114) Schmidty (130) Chief Rum (135)
jeheinz72 -- 2 saldana (119) jeheinz72 (155)

[Chief Rum]

Oh got it, they'll both die. Okay, then jeheinz is probably still a wolf and just killed two villagers perhaps.

[jeheinz72]

This look right to you all?

No, you're missing my vote on Schmidty.

[Poli]

I understand the concept of letting me live with 2 people just around. Everyone showing up yesterday and having just Schmidty around would be obvious...but I have to say I really appreciate Schmidty keeping me in the game. He clearly wouldn't receive a vote from me.

Ties kill both by my understanding of the rules.

[Chief Rum]

Seems right, pass. Am I reading this right? If I am not, what are you trying to do, heinz?

[Chief Rum]

I understand the concept of letting me live with 2 people just around. Everyone showing up yesterday and having just Schmidty around would be obvious...but I have to say I really appreciate Schmidty keeping me in the game. He clearly wouldn't receive a vote from me.

Ties kill both by my understanding of the rules.

Trade one wolf for the good Hoplite. That's a trade any wolves would make in a second. I don't think the fact Schmidty would be an abvious wolf then stopped him from killing you. I think he didn't kill you because he can't (he's a villager).

[jeheinz72]

Seems right, pass. Am I reading this right? If I am not, what are you trying to do, heinz?

I tried to make it 3-3. I think USFL is likely bad. Probably bad Historian.

I'm also not 100% sold on Schmidty being good because he didn't lynch Poli. I tihnk any wolf down here needs an Ally and Schmidty can just night kill Poli tonight if he's done with him (Poli can't protect himself)

I say kill 'em both and let God sort 'em out.

[Chief Rum]

I should say, seems right if you include Schmidty's one vote penalty, making it 3-3 in the lead.

[jeheinz72]

Trade one wolf for the good Hoplite. That's a trade any wolves would make in a second. I don't think the fact Schmidty would be an abvious wolf then stopped him from killing you. I think he didn't kill you because he can't (he's a villager).

Honestly, I think in this game, where the Hoplite can't protect himself and is likely often not in the same city as the Seer at a large amount of points makes that role not all that important.

[The Jackal]

Damnit. They got hoodwinked up there.

[The Jackal]

It's hot down here, the hell you guys been doing?

[The Jackal]

And who's alive, anyways. How's Athens in the springtime?

[Poli]

Turning up the heat. The chiller's down.

[jeheinz72]

We don't actually know who is alive yet

[Passacaglia]

Here we go:


Schmidty -- 3 Passacaglia (77) USFLTecmo (131) jeheinz72 (155)
saldana -- 0
USFLTecmo -- 3 Poli (114) Schmidty (130) Chief Rum (135)
jeheinz72 -- 1 saldana (119)

[DaddyTorgo]

I'm in Hades too - and look it's jeheinz the wolf!

[Poli]

Heinz the wolf, eh?

[jeheinz72]

The what now?

[Passacaglia]

The villagers decide to lynch two today. Schmidty was a villager! USFLTecmo was the Evil Historian!

Also, you wake up to find that Poli is missing. Poli was a villager and a Hoplite!

[Poli]

SONOFA. I newz it.

[Poli]

Good luck, guys.

[Passacaglia]

Coming in through the River Styx:

claphamsa
DaddyTorgo
Lathum
MartinD
The Jackal

[jeheinz72]

Gettin' crowded up in herr

[The Jackal]

Oh whoops, I forgot you guys didn't know that - yeah, heinz is a wolf

[claphamsa]

vote heinze

[DaddyTorgo]

aaaah - USFL was the fake-seer!!!

see that Jackal???

Heinz - you were a wolf up in Sparta - you're a wolf down here.

[Lathum]

hi

[claphamsa]

jackyl, do you think we should make public suppositions about who is what? from the konwledge we have?

[The Jackal]

i'm assuming you and clap aren't wolves, DT.. which means there's trouble in sparta, unless they've sent one of you down to help with hades, but i highly doubt theyd send 2 wolves from sparta, so you're clear in my book

[jeheinz72]

Heinz - you were a wolf up in Sparta - you're a wolf down here.

Naw man, I bought some magic pills from this dude when I was comin' down river. It fixed me. I'm like totally a good guy now.

[claphamsa]

so DT is in fact dead, he is 100% the real seer. I am 100% good. NTN deacon is 100% good.....

[Lathum]

hoops is a wolf

[claphamsa]

im not gonna check this thread for a while... its just gonna be hinze babbling.... hes a known wolf, and we cnat vote nightfall.

[The Jackal]

jackyl, do you think we should make public suppositions about who is what? from the konwledge we have?

i don't really know if it's going to help except to signal any potential wolves down here what we're talking about

[The Jackal]

i.e. heinz

[The Jackal]

do you guys think the wolves sent someone from athens?

[claphamsa]

i don't really know if it's going to help except to signal any potential wolves down here what we're talking about
doesnt matter since DT is dead.... whoever the other wolf is told heinze that DT is the real seer... so they know.

[jeheinz72]

Oh DT is the Seer? Imagunna find that handy without a Hoplite around.

[jeheinz72]

Wolves in Hades are cut off brah

[DaddyTorgo]

VOTE JEHEINZE

[The Jackal]

Wolves in Hades are cut off brah

i bet that's BS

[The Jackal]

vote heinz

[The Jackal]

so who's the wolf in sparta? must be dubb

[claphamsa]

im not convied its not you.....

[jeheinz72]

http://i349.photobucket.com/albums/q370/jeheinz7272/kerry_ketchup_lies.jpg

[claphamsa]

Lathum

how do you KNOW about hoops?

[claphamsa]

vote nightfall

[jeheinz72]

Vote Clapharamadingdong

[jeheinz72]

And yes, I did crap myself when I saw the new Ketchup Porn v2.0

[The Jackal]

im not convied its not you.....

DT should feel free to scan away

[Passacaglia]

You receive word that Athens has fallen.

Coming in through the River Styx:

Abe Sargent
hoopsguy
PurdueBrad
TheNorm

[Lathum]

do you guys think the wolves sent someone from athens?

hard to say.

we thought they may have sent Schmidty but I guess not.

[DaddyTorgo]

so DT is in fact dead, he is 100% the real seer. I am 100% good. NTN deacon is 100% good.....

this is true. i am 100% the real seer. thank you for believing in me up in Sparta Clap.

Claphamsa is 100% good. NTN deacon (taking over for Barkeep) is 100% good.

I did not have the chance to scan Jackal or Danny or Dubb.

Danny was our Ephor and sent Heinze to you so we believed him to be good. I now wonder if our belief was misguided...

I believed Jackal to be a wolf so I revealed up in Sparta as I had cleared the majority of villagers plus there was Danny as our ephor. They chose to believe I was the fake-seer and didn't listen to my pleas to put 2 of Jackal/Danny/Dubb on the block and instead put up Clap (who they thought I was covering for) and Jackal.

Jackal and Clap ended up down here via lynch and I was then night-killed. Which means one of Danny/Dubb is a wolf. I personally am leaning towards Danny at this point.

I am not sure at all whether Jackal was a wolf or not. I believed it was the smart play to make up top-side because I had not scanned him and he was an unknown, but down here I do not know.

[jeheinz72]

hard to say.

we thought they may have sent Schmidty but I guess not.

Schmidty is totally a wolf. Someone should string that guy up. Oh.

[claphamsa]

You receive word that Athens has fallen.

Coming in through the River Styx:

Abe Sargent
hoopsguy
PurdueBrad
TheNorm

wait what? so 2 of these are wolves? or war? or waht

[Lathum]

Lathum

how do you KNOW about hoops?

99.9 %

the way things went down up there.

I am the Ephor from Athens and tried to duke it to hom, my internet was slow and got in the order at 2:01

[jeheinz72]

You receive word that Athens has fallen.

Coming in through the River Styx:

Abe Sargent
hoopsguy
PurdueBrad
TheNorm

:D :devil: :D

[The Jackal]

oh my, athens

[claphamsa]

this is true. i am 100% the real seer. thank you for believing in me up in Sparta Clap.

Claphamsa is 100% good. NTN deacon (taking over for Barkeep) is 100% good.

I did not have the chance to scan Jackal or Danny or Dubb.

Danny was our Ephor and sent Heinze to you so we believed him to be good. I now wonder if our belief was misguided...

I believed Jackal to be a wolf so I revealed up in Sparta as I had cleared the majority of villagers plus there was Danny as our ephor. They chose to believe I was the fake-seer and didn't listen to my pleas to put 2 of Jackal/Danny/Dubb on the block and instead put up Clap (who they thought I was covering for) and Jackal.

Jackal and Clap ended up down here via lynch and I was then night-killed. Which means one of Danny/Dubb is a wolf. I personally am leaning towards Danny at this point.

I am not sure at all whether Jackal was a wolf or not. I believed it was the smart play to make up top-side because I had not scanned him and he was an unknown, but down here I do not know.


i still think dubb is just insane

[Lathum]

I need to read the whole thread, but if you guys are so certain about Heinze anyone object to me duking to hoops, then getting Heinze the next day?

[DaddyTorgo]

i agree that dubb is likely just insane and danny is probably the wolf in sparta

[DaddyTorgo]

can't we tie it up and get both of them lathum?

[claphamsa]

yeah, it weould be nice if we coudl arange a tie... and get rid of both of them.....

[claphamsa]

can't we tie it up and get both of them lathum?
not with multiple wolves here....

[Lathum]

oh my, athens

Honestly, I see no way we could have won.

combine no knowledge of the night kills role and having a seer that tells us nothing we were pretty much in the dark

[DaddyTorgo]

probably won't matter - i suspect sparta will fall too...idiots up there! (go read my rants today after the game)

[The Jackal]

tying it works for me

[Abe Sargent]

Lo all

[DaddyTorgo]

Honestly, I see no way we could have won.

combine no knowledge of the night kills role and having a seer that tells us nothing we were pretty much in the dark

you coulda been in my village thinking that you had the fake-seer when you actually had the real seer. that was a real ball of joy for me!

[DaddyTorgo]

so let's work up a hoops/heinze tie then folks

[Abe Sargent]

We got PLAYED in Athens. Lathum probably got you caught up. Let me read this thread and find out what happening here.

[claphamsa]

you coulda been in my village thinking that you had the fake-seer when you actually had the real seer. that was a real ball of joy for me!
except you kept arguing with someone we think is bad.....

[claphamsa]

FYI someone do a TL DR here... im lazy :)

[Abe Sargent]

For what it's worth (and no offense to Pass), but I think the missing a vote thing is absolute trash. It punishes people for things that happen in real life, and I think it's totally unfair.

I kinda agree, btw

[Abe Sargent]

Oh, and post game, read the Athens thread, for a very rare, very unusual Abe blow up at people. I said "Fuckin" like five times in all caps.

[Abe Sargent]

It's awesome! ;)

[claphamsa]

fyi... why did athens fall? 2-2?

[Abe Sargent]

I'm making a little rule change here. Two reasons -- one, I'm not trying to penalize people for having real-life issues, the vote penalty is really meant to weed out people who aren't playing at all, and two, I didn't think about what a killer it would be to have a one-vote penalty with only three people in Hades. So I'm changing the rule so that the one-vote penalty will not apply until there are six people in Hades.

I like a Gm that plays it on teh fly. Kudos!

[hoopsguy]

So, where can I get a beer in these here parts?

[Abe Sargent]

fyi... why did athens fall? 2-2?

Yup - TheNorm+Hoops vs PB and me.

[Abe Sargent]

Abe is probably a wolf and I think CR is either a wolf or the Evil Historian trying to gain favor and picked up the wolfish pings coming off Abe.

If Abe is a wolf and CR is the EH, hoops could very well be a wolf as he seemed to fall inline with what be was saying without actually agreeing with him.

If Abe is a wolf than Lathum is good. I suspect Abe was trying to make the new guy the duke because there is a better than average chance that Lathum pings wolf to a new player who has not played with him before.

I really have no contingency plan for Abe being good. I wasn't there long enough to get a read on many others and there was not a lot of posting after Sunday night in the Athens thread.

CR reminded me too much of Danny from last game, trying to offer up too much information and ideas. I thought he usually starts out slow but maybe I am wrong about that.



Sorry, a little insomnia tonight after working a 16 hour day (and having a call with our India office which totally pissed me off, I hate it when something that you put effort on to design gets changed by someone who thinks they know better and what they changed will not work, now I have to get it fixed at the last minute).

I love how people sometimes get such tunnel vision. Sigh.

[Alan T]

Oh, and post game, read the Athens thread, for a very rare, very unusual Abe blow up at people. I said "Fuckin" like five times in all caps.

And used my name in a non-loving way!

[Lathum]

We got PLAYED in Athens. Lathum probably got you caught up. Let me read this thread and find out what happening here.

dude, we got played by the Mod

evil seer and wolf hoplite in the same village, plus it seems likely the evil marathoner was also in our village since no one came out against PB.

[claphamsa]

And used my name in a non-loving way!
ooo mus be good then.... I almost said Dubb is acting like lathum.... but lathum wasnt around.... so the humor would have been lost.

[Chief Rum]

hoops is a wolf

I freakin' knew it!

And I knew heinz, too. He tried to BS his vote on Schmidty, but that was too obvious.

[DaddyTorgo]

Oh, and post game, read the Athens thread, for a very rare, very unusual Abe blow up at people. I said "Fuckin" like five times in all caps.

read the sparta thread - i had you beat

[claphamsa]

I dunno DT... you rants were just kinda...... crazy