WW - Zombie Apocalypse - Game Over, Zombies Win

[EagleFan]

Will take the signup from the generic signup thread later today. The rules and signups will be posted here throughout the day.

It will be a relatively generic WW game from 12/21/2012.

Rules:

Deadline - 9:00 PM EST for both day and night deadline

Night Orders - Conditional allowed but the conditions must be specific (cannot be: "if a seer is revealed kill them")

Tie Lynch - No lynch

Nightfall - Only if unanymous (including the one being voted for)

PM's - PM's received from the GM cannot be quoted in thread, penalty will be loss of vote, night action and posting privileges for a day/night period

Village Win - Kill all the zombies

Zombie Win - Reach a 1:1 ratio with the village (exception: if there is one village and zombie remaining and the villager is the hunter)

Roles - Not all roles may be in the game


Village Roles:

Zombie Slayer - Hunter role, if the zombie slayer is the last remaining survivor in a heads up game he (or she) will stomp that zombie into oblivion for the major win. You gain a brutal ability if you are infected.

Shaman - (sorry, watched Gran Torino yesterday) You are a practicing Shaman who has the ability to read a person's soul. You are the seer. You may scan one person each night to see if they are infected. You are imune to infection.

Bruce Campbell - You were out trying to get some shopping done and now find yourself fighting zombies. What next? You'll be handing dollar bills to strippers and watching a white bronco ride down a freeway? You are the bodyguard. You may guardone person each nigh but will not find out the result of the guard or discover identity. You may self guard but may not guard the same person two nights in a row. You are immune to infection.

Duke - You may change the lynch vote one time during the game. You will be revealed upon using the ability. You are imune to infection.


Zombie Roles:

The Infector - You are the cause of this infection. You grew tired of life and spent years developing this bacteria which would turn humans into mindless and soulless flesh craving eating machines. You may attempt to infect other players each night. If successful they will become members of your zombie horde. You have the cunning ability and will not scan as a zombie.

Infected - You are a vanila zombie. If you have been infected you will begin to crave the flesh of humans. Each night one infected will be chosen to perform a kill.

[EagleFan]

It is December 21, 2012. Many people are busy trying to get their last minute holiday shopping completed and going about their lives as normal. They have no idea what terror is about to be unleashed upon them... upon the world.

You are a typical group of holiday shoppers, having just stood in line for an hour trying to get the next best thing for your kids and a little present for yourself, the latest and greatest video game.

Then you hear the screaming. Panic turns to fear inside the store as you see the most gruesome sight that you could imagine. Someone... something is leaning over a shopper which is laying on the floor perfectly still. Then you notice the puddle of blood that surrounds this lifeless body.

The person standing over the lifeless shopper turns towards you and stares at you with an empty look in his eyes. This hollow shell of a human shows no emotion and you see a trickle of blood running down his chin.

You look at the body and you can't believe your eyes, it looks like someone was eating the flesh.

Just then the soulless freak lurches forward. A shotgun blast is heard and the creature falls to the ground.

"It is time!!!" someone is shouting. "They are here. The zombies have come to claim the earth. Take up arms, it it time for us to stand and fight!!!!"

You think this is a joke but the lifeless bodies on the ground in front of you tell you differently.

Now what do you do?

[EagleFan]

Signups:
1. Danny - Infected (duked to day three)
2. Schmidty - Shaman (night four kill)
3. Telle - vanilla villager (day seven lynch)
4. KWhit - vanilla villager
5. Darth Vilus - Infected (day four lynch)
6. The Jackal - vanilla villager that got infected night seven
7. PurdueBrad - vanilla villager (day one lynch)
8. J23 - vanilla villager (day five lynch)
9. claphamsa - Duke (night six kill)
10. hoopsguy - vanilla villager (night two kill)
11. dubb93 - Bruce Campbell (night five kill)
12. Lathum - vanilla villager (night three kill)
13. RealDeal - The Infector
14. Chief Rum - vanilla villager (night one kill)

[PurdueBrad]

EF, if you're running it, I'm in.

[claphamsa]

u had me at zombie!


BRAAAAAINS!

[hoopsguy]

So we can't tell who is human and who is zombie? Or will this be a non-standard game of WW?

[EagleFan]

So we can't tell who is human and who is zombie? Or will this be a non-standard game of WW?

The rules should explain it a little better when I get them up. It will be pretty standard with a twist. :)

[J23]

I'm in. This ties in nicely with the book I'm reading, World War Z.

[EagleFan]

Lathum, hoops and dubb...

Didn't list you yet as you were tentative in the other thread. Let me know if you want in.

Day one will be Monday and I'll get the roles out Sunday night.

[hoopsguy]

List me, I'll be playing. Thanks.

[claphamsa]

so the infector starts out alone... and converts one a night? interesting... also makes vote following tough...

[EagleFan]

so the infector starts out alone... and converts one a night? interesting... also makes vote following tough...

I figured it will be an uphill battle for the zombies in the beginning so that will be the best way to help them battle the odds.

[dubb93]

I'm in.

[RealDeal]

ill do this one.

[Lathum]

OK, I can play as long as there is no weekend play.

I leave for Vegas Friday @ 4:00 PST and will be back by the monday night deadline.

[hoopsguy]

EF, Schmidty once ran a game with conversions once per night. It is really, really hard for the villagers to compete against that alone. In conjunction with a kill, I'm not sure how the zombies lose if they get to Day 3. I'm anticipating balance being really, really hard with that setup.

[EagleFan]

EF, Schmidty once ran a game with conversions once per night. It is really, really hard for the villagers to compete against that alone. In conjunction with a kill, I'm not sure how the zombies lose if they get to Day 3. I'm anticipating balance being really, really hard with that setup.

It's not going to be a once per night thing. There will be some restrictions to it, but you'll need to role the Infector role to find out the restrctions. :)

[EagleFan]

dola: actually, if we can get saldana in the game I may just make everyone a zombie... :D

[Chief Rum]

Cool, I was waiting for an actual game thread to be started (apologies to the thread starters of the "next game" thread--I couldn't commit to a game without knowing more about when it would start or the deadlines and such).

I am in.

[Danny]

(apologies to the thread starters of the "next game" thread--I couldn't commit to a game without knowing more about when it would start or the deadlines and such).


That was me and I am seriously offended ;)

[EagleFan]

Going to be sending out the roles shortlyand it will be game on when I post the green light.

There will be some changes to the original intent wich will make this closer to a standard WW game due to the small number of player.

[Danny]

Standard WW? What's that?

[EagleFan]

Everyone is still shocked from the recent events. The store is now closed off and quaranteened. There is no way out, unless you can eliminate those who may be infected, or become infected yourself.

Deadline is 9 PM EST Monday for day/night one.

Who do you eliminate first?

GAME ON!!!

[claphamsa]

ok... I got a role... but its not listed!

EF did you intentinally leave out the super awesome ninja from the writeup?

[Danny]

So it looks like the village side of this game is pretty standard. We have a seer, bodyguard, duke and hunter.

The wolves are more iffy. We definitely have the infecter, but it doesn't give us many details about infecting other than it can be attempted each night. This to me makes it seem like there may not be many other wolves. That said, it does seem to make it clear that the infected is the ones doing the kill, so I think night 1 will tell us a lot about whether or not we have a second starting wolf or not. If there is a kill, I think that means there is at least two starting wolves.

[Danny]

ok... I got a role... but its not listed!

EF did you intentinally leave out the super awesome ninja from the writeup?

Let me guess, your ability is to mis-spell :)

[hoopsguy]

On the basis of the infection possibilities, I would ask all villagers to refrain from saying anything one way or another about roles in the early part of the game. Vanilla villager = clear conversion target. Non-vanilla villager = potential no-kill. It is pretty clear the wolves, even more than usual, will be "role hunting" in the thread.

[claphamsa]

Let me guess, your ability is to mis-spell :)
that one is inate!

[claphamsa]

On the basis of the infection possibilities, I would ask all villagers to refrain from saying anything one way or another about roles in the early part of the game. Vanilla villager = clear conversion target. Non-vanilla villager = potential no-kill. It is pretty clear the wolves, even more than usual, will be "role hunting" in the thread.
is it possible to role hunt more?

[KWhit]

Vanilla dude here. No infection or role present.

[hoopsguy]

is it possible to role hunt more?

Sure. When I'm playing wolf I'm digging first and foremost for seer. Other stuff is of interest, but I'm not scouring posts like nuts looking for the duke (to pick one). However, if all of those can avoid infection then it is more important than normal for the wolves to ID role/vanilla than normal.

[Danny]

Vanilla dude here. No infection or role present.

Hoops will not be happy.

[dubb93]

Great, just what we need, zombies.

[dubb93]

On the basis of the infection possibilities, I would ask all villagers to refrain from saying anything one way or another about roles in the early part of the game. Vanilla villager = clear conversion target. Non-vanilla villager = potential no-kill. It is pretty clear the wolves, even more than usual, will be "role hunting" in the thread.

Don't most peeps just claim vanilla on day 1 anyway regardless of any role they may have?

[Danny]

Don't most peeps just claim vanilla on day 1 anyway regardless of any role they may have?

You mean they aren't all telling the truth? :confused:

[hoopsguy]

Don't most peeps just claim vanilla on day 1 anyway regardless of any role they may have?

The "hit" rate on the vanilla claim is a ton higher than it should be. Nearly all of the vanilla claims are in fact vanilla, at least in recent games.

[PurdueBrad]

The "hit" rate on the vanilla claim is a ton higher than it should be. Nearly all of the vanilla claims are in fact vanilla, at least in recent games.

Checking in. Don't got much else.

[Darth Vilus]

Lord Vilus checking in, this one sounds lik it could get intense

[Schmidty]

Hi.

[RealDeal]

Checking in. Good to be back werewolfin'.

[Chief Rum]

ok... I got a role... but its not listed!

EF did you intentinally leave out the super awesome ninja from the writeup?

Oh, man, glad to hear this. I am the super awesome ninja hunter, and I get a minor victory if I uncover your identity. Woohoo!

[Danny]

Oh, man, glad to hear this. I am the super awesome ninja hunter, and I get a minor victory if I uncover your identity. Woohoo!

:lol:

[claphamsa]

Oh, man, glad to hear this. I am the super awesome ninja hunter, and I get a minor victory if I uncover your identity. Woohoo!
yes but now you have to catch me!

[claphamsa]

very lively!

so we should assume there is only an infector? if so... it almost makes sense to no lynch.... (I think I just threw up in my mouth typing that)

[Telle]

Checking in.

Yet to check in: The Jackal, J23, Lathum

[Danny]

very lively!

so we should assume there is only an infector? if so... it almost makes sense to no lynch.... (I think I just threw up in my mouth typing that)

Why does that make sense? If there is only an infector (which I think is actually unlikely based on role descriptions), we want to get him out before he begins infecting. He is cunning anyway, so it's not like we want to wait around for the seer.

[Danny]

I should be back before deadline, but I'll need to get a vote in here in the next 5 minutes or so before I leave for field work.

[EagleFan]

As of post 47:


:)

[Danny]

Vote The Jackal

Really hate making this vote on day 1 this early.

[EagleFan]

As you wait out the day trying to determine what to do next and just who may be infected the tension is mounting. Every noise causes someone to jump. Some muffled whimpers are heard as the stress is causing everyone to react in rather different manners.

A shouting match is heard between two people over something as simple as where they were sitting. Everyone turns to look but it has settled down and peace seems to be restored.

One of you turns on the television and you can't believe your eyes. This is not the only place that has been infected. You see stories of entire towns being wiped out. The National Guard has been called in and martial law is in effect.

Then you hear laughter, the most evil laughter that you have ever heard. "Everyone will pay!!!"

Who said that? Everyone looks around to see but each person has a different opinion of where the voice came from. No one know for certain, but it is definitely someone among you. Terror grips you from within. Can you survive this? If you survive in here, what will happen outside? Is your fate sealed?

[EagleFan]

As of post 50:

The Jackal 1 - Danny (49)

Yet to vote: Everyone else

[EagleFan]

Will only have occasional access to the site during the morning/afternoon. Will try to check in a couple times to see if there are any questions.

[The Jackal]

hey thanks danny, i missed you too

[claphamsa]

vote danny

I dont normally suggest not lynching people... but its a random 1-14 chance.....The odds are much higher we hit someone we shouldnt!

[claphamsa]

although... cunning..... man, this is pretty much impossible isnt it?

[EagleFan]

As of post 54:

The Jackal 1 - Danny (49)
Danny 1 - claphamsa (54)

[RealDeal]

vote danny

I dont normally suggest not lynching people... but its a random 1-14 chance.....The odds are much higher we hit someone we shouldnt!

I understand the point, although I'd find it hard to believe there's only one wolf out there right now (FYI people who haven't played with me, I always call the bad guys wolves in these games). But even if there were, what is the upside of doing nothing on day one. Would we be in better shape the next day, or would just be in the same shape with more wolves?

These day one votes often end up being the most valuable votes of the game from an information standpoint.

[dubb93]

I understand the point, although I'd find it hard to believe there's only one wolf out there right now (FYI people who haven't played with me, I always call the bad guys wolves in these games). But even if there were, what is the upside of doing nothing on day one. Would we be in better shape the next day, or would just be in the same shape with more wolves?

These day one votes often end up being the most valuable votes of the game from an information standpoint.

I agree with this. If I didn't think Clap was insane I would question his motives.

[KWhit]

I agree with this. If I didn't think Clap was insane I would question his motives.

Ditto. Although voting for Clap on day one is soooooo cliche.

[Schmidty]

Checking in. Looks like nothings really happening, so I'll wait to vote.

[claphamsa]

Ditto. Although voting for Clap on day one is soooooo cliche.
I agree!

[hoopsguy]

If I didn't think Clap was insane I would question his motives.

I agree!

[claphamsa]

does anyone else have any kind of plan? I mean our odds of hitting are terrible, but the seer isnt even useful till later anyways... we dont know the conversion rules...

what to do!


/me runs around store in panic!

[hoopsguy]

Voting for KWhit Day 1 worked well for me last game :)

Seriously, I won't be going back to him because I did last game - barring a zombie confession or something like that. Even though the vote last game ended up (through pretty much pure luck rather than any good logic) as a "good" vote, I do try to vary my D1 targets around from game to game.

I have no idea where I will end up going with this vote beyond not voting for KWhit.

[Chief Rum]

I know EF said things have been changed more toward standard WW and we're not going to see someone infected every day.

That said, that is still more or less all of what the rules give us. Until we know better with a deadline or two passing, we have to make our decisions based on the rules in place.

And the rules in place tell me it would be nuts to not lynch. If every night, someone could become a zombie, that's worse than a night kill. So not taking a shot to try to kill a zombie would be a very bad idea, IMO.

[PurdueBrad]

Gotta throw a vote out there somewhere, so

vote Schmidty

[RealDeal]

extremely highly I will change my vote, but to try to stoke up some action:

vote Danny

[EagleFan]

As of post 67:

The Jackal 1 - Danny (49)
Danny 2 - claphamsa (54), RealDeal (67)
Schmidty 1 - PurdueBrad (66)

[claphamsa]

just an FYI, if you feel someone chewing on your brains you should speak up!

[dubb93]

I will throw a vote out for someone who hasn't checked in yet.

Vote J23

[EagleFan]

As of post 70:

The Jackal 1 - Danny (49)
Danny 2 - claphamsa (54), RealDeal (67)
Schmidty 1 - PurdueBrad (66)
J23 1 - dubb93 (70)

[Chief Rum]

I'm going to bump Schmidty up, because I know he'll talk if he's one of the two candidates and we can have some food for thought at the end of the day. Perfectly willing to switch, of course, if any actual candidates appear.

Never did like Day Ones.

VOTE SCHMIDTY

[Telle]

I hate Day 1's...

vote PurdueBrad

[EagleFan]

The silence is broken by terrible screaming, screams which seem almost unhuman. A loud crash is heard.

Then you see it, breaking through the storeroom door. It's a soulless beast, a zombie from hell. It staggers out of the door, in it's hands it is clutching onto a security guard that must have been unlucky enough to cross it's path while securing the stockroom.

The security guard moans one last time as the zombie tears into his flesh. Soon the moaning stops and the security guard lays motionless on the ground.

You still cannot process what just happened, it all seems unreal; like a dream. No, like a nightmare.

Then you focus again, this beast is loose among you. It begins to stagger towards the group. Then a blast is heard, the unmistakable sound of a 12 guage shotgun firing it's steel pellets into the intended target. The zombie lurches forward and then slumps to the ground. A green haze begins to rise from the body.

"Back!!!!" someone screams. "We cannot allow this to contaminate us!!!"

You scramble further back into the store as far away from the haze as you can. Now you wait and hope, hope that no one has been infected. Hope that YOU haven't been infected. Can this day get any worse?

[EagleFan]

As of post 74:

The Jackal 1 - Danny (49)
Danny 2 - claphamsa (54), RealDeal (67)
Schmidty 2 - PurdueBrad (66), Chief Rum (72)
J23 1 - dubb93 (70)
PurdueBrad 1 - Telle (73)

[EagleFan]

double dola - edited the atmosphere post for a couple typos that stood out.

[hoopsguy]

For no other reason than I haven't messed with him in way too many games ...

Well, that and not wanting to widen the current list of people with votes.

VOTE PURDUEBRAD

[claphamsa]

im gonna go bash the security guards brains... as everyone knows thats how u kill zombies!

[PurdueBrad]

Pretty spread vote. I'll move only for self-defense. Not that I'm stuck on Schmidty but I'm never a fan of moving day 1. Anyway, I can't say much more than I'm a villager.

[EagleFan]

As of post 79:

The Jackal 1 - Danny (49)
Danny 2 - claphamsa (54), RealDeal (67)
Schmidty 2 - PurdueBrad (66), Chief Rum (72)
J23 1 - dubb93 (70)
PurdueBrad 2 - Telle (73), hoopsguy (77)

[Danny]

I am home early. Llooks like I will be reevaluating my vote, so while that is not decided I will unvote the Jackal for now

Unvote Jackal

[EagleFan]

You guys are making this thread hard to keep up with... :)

[Schmidty]

I'm going to bump Schmidty up, because I know he'll talk if he's one of the two candidates and we can have some food for thought at the end of the day. Perfectly willing to switch, of course, if any actual candidates appear.

Never did like Day Ones.

VOTE SCHMIDTY

What am I supposed to say? I'm a villager without a role.

And honestly, even if I were a wolf or a villager with a role, I wouldn't admit it, would I?

[Schmidty]

Vote PurdueBrad

[PurdueBrad]

Village, you'll only lose one thing in voting me out and that is a vanilla villager against the zombie hoard.

[EagleFan]

As of post 85:

Danny 2 - claphamsa (54), RealDeal (67)
Schmidty 2 - PurdueBrad (66), Chief Rum (72)
J23 1 - dubb93 (70)
PurdueBrad 3 - Telle (73), hoopsguy (77), Schmidty (84)

[EagleFan]

Zombie Bite:

In 2003 a Japanese file was released which combined sports movies, kung fu and zombies all into one. The film was called Battlefield Baseball (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battlefield_Baseball).

The film did not receive great reviews but did manage to win grand prize at the Yabari International Fantastic Film Festival. The festival is held in a small town on the Japanese island of Hokkaido.

[claphamsa]

but is it any good?

[PurdueBrad]

Sorry Danny

unvote Schmidty

vote Danny

[PurdueBrad]

For no other reason than I haven't messed with him in way too many games ...

Well, that and not wanting to widen the current list of people with votes.

VOTE PURDUEBRAD

Sure, vote out the guy that is usually your chief detractor! :p

[dubb93]

Eh, my vote recipient still hasn't showed up. I'd have a hard time switching my vote to an active player at this point so I think I'm going to leave it where it is.

[Danny]

I am here, not much to say. I will make a self defense vote if necessary, but will wait a little bit more.

[Danny]

Looks like very little activity here, I will vote the person who flip flopped without stating a reason.

Vote PurdueBrad

[Danny]

We ended up with what, 5 no votes?

[dubb93]

We ended up with what, 5 no votes?

We had pretty poor turnout today. I don't remember it this bad ever. Only 14 signups and then a good chunk didn't even show up.

[claphamsa]

i blame lathum!

[PurdueBrad]

Am I dead so I can tell you bastards I told you so or do I have to wait another 45 minutes?

[claphamsa]

Am I dead so I can tell you bastards I told you so or do I have to wait another 45 minutes?
u have to wait. 55 min just for that!

[PurdueBrad]

Well then, somebody wanna tie this mother up?

[PurdueBrad]

No, deadline did pass. It was nice playing with you guys again. GUH, 5 no votes and I die, good lord.

[Danny]

Deadline was 20 minutes ago

[PurdueBrad]

Well, now I'm rooting for the zombies to revive me.

[Danny]

but then we would just vote you again.

[EagleFan]

deadline

[EagleFan]

Sorry, got watching the Iverson return and lost track of time.

[EagleFan]

Final Vote:

Danny 3 - claphamsa (54), RealDeal (67), PurdueBrad (89)
Schmidty 1 - Chief Rum (72)
J23 1 - dubb93 (70)
PurdueBrad 4 - Telle (73), hoopsguy (77), Schmidty (84), Danny (93)

[EagleFan]

After a day long very mild debate you narrow it down to two candidate. In a close race you chose PurdueBrad over Danny.

PurdueBrad, you must be te cause of this infection, this deadly demonic virus!

"No!!!! I am n..."

You grab him before he can protest any longer. Someone finds a still warm shtgun, obviously the tool that saved you earlier and turns it towards PurdueBrad.

A shot rings out. PurdueBrad lies motionless on the floor. You slowlyedge closer to him, is he infected, you must be careful.

One of you volunteers to search him but you find no evidence of any infection.

PurdueBrad was a vanilla villager.

[claphamsa]

Sorry, got watching the Iverson return and lost track of time.
did your brains get nomed already?

[EagleFan]

You try to get some sleep after a terrifying day but you know that will not be possible. You do manage to close your eyes a few times and draft off.

As you wake and count the survivors you notice something troubling. Someone is missing. You look around and find Chief Rum prone on the floor, or what is left of him. He has been devoured almost beyond recognition.

Chief Rum was a vanilla villager.

You move into day two and hope that the day yields better results or your days may be numbered.

[claphamsa]

im bashing all brains to make sure no one comes back!

[Danny]

Well, at least no roles lost.

[hoopsguy]

Also, no apparent signs of conversion in the writeup. So we've got that going for us, which is nice.

[Schmidty]

Welp. This sucks.

[Chief Rum]

You try to get some sleep after a terrifying day but you know that will not be possible. You do manage to close your eyes a few times and draft off.

As you wake and count the survivors you notice something troubling. Someone is missing. You look around and find Chief Rum prone on the floor, or what is left of him. He has been devoured almost beyond recognition.

Chief Rum was a vanilla villager.

You move into day two and hope that the day yields better results or your days may be numbered.

I have been told I'm tasty. I don't think this is what was meant.

Good luck villagers!

[J23]

Hey all, sorry for not being around day1. Catching up on posts now.

[J23]

Also, no apparent signs of conversion in the writeup. So we've got that going for us, which is nice.

I'm not sure that we'd see any signs of infection. From the role descriptions, it doesn't say anything about the infector killing people, just the infected. If this wasn't just something left out on accident, then we certainly have at least 1 infected and the 1 infector to begin with(I'm assuming we have this role which isn't a huge leap IMO).

EF did state that there were restrictions on the infector's conversion mechanic, but didn't disclose them.

Actually, I think it's a pretty safe bet that someone likely got converted night one if it is an "uphill battle" as EF said in post 12, unless they targeted one of the 3 immune roles.

If we started with 14 people, and a minimum of 2 zombies as I speculated above, we'd be at best case, 10-2 at this point, but I'd think 9-3 or even 8-4 might be more likely.

[The Jackal]

i apologize for missing the lynch, my internet went down for a couple of hours and i just gave up and did other things

[hoopsguy]

I'm not sure that we'd see any signs of infection. From the role descriptions, it doesn't say anything about the infector killing people, just the infected. If this wasn't just something left out on accident, then we certainly have at least 1 infected and the 1 infector to begin with(I'm assuming we have this role which isn't a huge leap IMO).

EF did state that there were restrictions on the infector's conversion mechanic, but didn't disclose them.

Actually, I think it's a pretty safe bet that someone likely got converted night one if it is an "uphill battle" as EF said in post 12, unless they targeted one of the 3 immune roles.

If we started with 14 people, and a minimum of 2 zombies as I speculated above, we'd be at best case, 10-2 at this point, but I'd think 9-3 or even 8-4 might be more likely.

1.) EF did say that the game was going to play out more like standard WW after seeing he did not have as many men as hoped.
2.) In many, but not all, cases of conversion there is something in the writeup to suggest that result
3.) Work through the conversion metric if the conversions happen even every other night. We most likely have a quick game, barring highly powerful roled players that are not listed in the rules

[Darth Vilus]

hey everyone, sorry i didnt vote today, i completely forgot that the game started. won't happen again, i promise. so not the best day today but definitely not the worst. No roles losst :-) !!!! And ive never played a ww where we nabbed a wolf on the first day so no surprise there

[Danny]

hey everyone, sorry i didnt vote today, i completely forgot that the game started. won't happen again, i promise. so not the best day today but definitely not the worst. No roles losst :-) !!!! And ive never played a ww where we nabbed a wolf on the first day so no surprise there

slacker!

[hoopsguy]

EF, would you be willing to share the order of actions for the seer vs the conversion? In other words, if the seer scanned the person who was going to be converted would the target scan human or zombie?

Since there was a kill last night that suggests there was at least one zombie to start. So the seer had a shot of getting something today.

[claphamsa]

EF, would you be willing to share the order of actions for the seer vs the conversion? In other words, if the seer scanned the person who was going to be converted would the target scan human or zombie?

Since there was a kill last night that suggests there was at least one zombie to start. So the seer had a shot of getting something today.
but if there was only one zombie... it would be the infected who is cunning!

[KWhit]

Sorry I missed the vote too. I have not been in WW mode in weeks, so it totally slipped my mind that I had to check the thread.

Sorry x 100.

[hoopsguy]

but if there was only one zombie... it would be the infected who is cunning!

May have to re-read the rules then, as I thought the Infector did not kill. So the fact that we had a kill last night made me believe we had a non-Infector out there.

I'll check it now, post again if my version above seems off-base.

[hoopsguy]

Zombie Roles:

The Infector - You are the cause of this infection. You grew tired of life and spent years developing this bacteria which would turn humans into mindless and soulless flesh craving eating machines. You may attempt to infect other players each night. If successful they will become members of your zombie horde. You have the cunning ability and will not scan as a zombie.

Infected - You are a vanila zombie. If you have been infected you will begin to crave the flesh of humans. Each night one infected will be chosen to perform a kill.

I decide to post again even though I think I was right with the interpretation.

It does not say anything about Infector being able to kill. So the fact that there was a kill leads me to believe that there was a non-Infector zombie present last night.

[hoopsguy]

EF, I have another question and this is one that probably should have come up pre-game but ...

Is the Infector a standard wolf that can communicate with the other wolves/zombies? The rules seem to suggest that the Infector creates the zombies, so he would know who they are. But can a human communicate with the zombies? If the Infector cannot communicate with them, then do the zombies know who is the Infector is?

If this is stuff that you cannot comment on, I understand. But I figured I may as well ask the questions.

[The Jackal]

That's tough for the seer unless we know for sure whether or not the Infector can kill. Hoops interpretation seems to make sense.

[The Jackal]

Seems we had a few people who's brains were still in holiday mode, let's make sure we don't let that happen again today. I'm working the next two nights so will be gone from 5 till after the deadline, and my vote will come prior.

[The Jackal]

Another question that you may not be able to answer, do the zombies get a conversion and kill attempt every night since there a few people immune to infection or do they have to choose?

[EagleFan]

If the seer scans a person on a night they are converted the scan happens after conversion.

The "wolves" function just as a standard set of wolves. They have PM rights. There is no "outsider" wolf role (without PM rights) as there was in 42 Attempts game.

I hope that clears things up a bit.

Basically this game is much closer to a normal game of WW due to the small number of players.

[EagleFan]

I may not have much access to the site today. Between other issues which have come up today and have all been given highest priority and having a client upgrade this morning I am swamped.

[hoopsguy]

OK, one more question for you then, EF:

Since it is closer to a "normal" game at this point, can you let us know if the wolves have the ability to both convert and kill on the same evening? Or would this be an either/or choice for their night action?

[claphamsa]

I decide to post again even though I think I was right with the interpretation.

It does not say anything about Infector being able to kill. So the fact that there was a kill leads me to believe that there was a non-Infector zombie present last night.
pretty far reach to say any wolf wouldnt be able to kill.... it maybe true.... but wow

[KWhit]

pretty far reach to say any wolf wouldnt be able to kill.... it maybe true.... but wow

I think Hoops' analysis of the roles makes perfect sense. Are you just trying to paint him with some suspicion?

[J23]

I decide to post again even though I think I was right with the interpretation.

It does not say anything about Infector being able to kill. So the fact that there was a kill leads me to believe that there was a non-Infector zombie present last night.

This was the same conclusion that I came to in my post last night.

[RealDeal]

I think for the time being we have to assume there are multiple wolves.

I'm looking at the Purdue vs. Danny vote. Obviously, it's importance will turn on whether or not Danny is a wolf. There wasn't a lot of vote switching, but there were a few votes on Purdue thrown in fairly late in the voting cycle.

I'm also open to any information we can get from villagers. The seer has reason to lay low for a few more turns, but otherwise I am always a big advocate of getting information out sooner rather than later. Otherwise, we may end up with another blind vote.

[dubb93]

I think Hoops' analysis of the roles makes perfect sense. Are you just trying to paint him with some suspicion?

If he isn't then I will. I expect Hoops to die N1 every game and when he doesn't it raises my eyebrows.

[dubb93]

I think for the time being we have to assume there are multiple wolves.

I would agree with that. My guess from what EF is telling us is that there either isn't going to be conversions in this game or they are going to be on a limited basis rather than what is intended. I could see the infector having a one time conversion power to bring the wolves number up inline to whatever EF has decided would balance the game.

[claphamsa]

I think Hoops' analysis of the roles makes perfect sense. Are you just trying to paint him with some suspicion?

i think it makes 0 sense, and EF says as much in his explanation.

[dubb93]

Is there anyone that still hasn't shown up at this point?

[dubb93]

Is there anyone that still hasn't shown up at this point?

Maybe I'm wrong but a quick scan of the thread and I don't see anything from Telle.

[dubb93]

Maybe I'm wrong but a quick scan of the thread and I don't see anything from Telle.

Scratch that. She voted yesterday.

[hoopsguy]

If he isn't then I will. I expect Hoops to die N1 every game and when he doesn't it raises my eyebrows.

I get my share, and then some, of N1 deaths

:mad: :rant:

[Telle]

Is there anyone that still hasn't shown up at this point?

I haven't seen Lathum yet.

[hoopsguy]

i think it makes 0 sense, and EF says as much in his explanation.

I'm interested in seeing where EF "says as much in his explanation". If you want to come after me as a wolf/zombie, bring it. You'll be wrong, but at least it will spice things up a bit in this game.

But the idea that Hoops = wolf because you perceive EF's response as dismissive is one of the bigger logic leaps/fails that I've seen in WW. And that is saying something ...

[dubb93]

I haven't seen Lathum yet.

Odd, I remember Lathum lurking in thread yesterday about the time someone made the "I blame Lathum" joke.

[dubb93]

If the seer scans a person on a night they are converted the scan happens after conversion.

The "wolves" function just as a standard set of wolves. They have PM rights. There is no "outsider" wolf role (without PM rights) as there was in 42 Attempts game.

I hope that clears things up a bit.

Basically this game is much closer to a normal game of WW due to the small number of players.

This is for Hoops. A standard set of wolves would imply that every wolf can kill IMHO.

[claphamsa]

I'm interested in seeing where EF "says as much in his explanation". If you want to come after me as a wolf/zombie, bring it. You'll be wrong, but at least it will spice things up a bit in this game.

But the idea that Hoops = wolf because you perceive EF's response as dismissive is one of the bigger logic leaps/fails that I've seen in WW. And that is saying something ...
i never said in any ways you are a wolf......

[claphamsa]

I'm interested in seeing where EF "says as much in his explanation". If you want to come after me as a wolf/zombie, bring it. You'll be wrong, but at least it will spice things up a bit in this game.

But the idea that Hoops = wolf because you perceive EF's response as dismissive is one of the bigger logic leaps/fails that I've seen in WW. And that is saying something ...
although you are acting kinda funny :P trying to get scanned?

[dubb93]

although you are acting kinda funny :P trying to get scanned?

GET OUT OF MY HEAD!

[hoopsguy]

This is for Hoops. A standard set of wolves would imply that every wolf can kill IMHO.

Answering a question and being dismissive are two different deals. I think EF pretty clearly answered that the wolves play as a group (no outsider) and I think it is a logical conclusion that all wolves can kill.

I don't think I was in any way, shape, or form wolfish for asking the question.

On the other point, I'm just as fine being scanned in this game as I would be in any other game where I knew I would show up villager. Happy to be cleared if you are going to end up scanning a villager, but would prefer you actually find a wolf/zombie.

[EagleFan]

I am very sorry if there is confusion. Due to the small numbers the game changes to a fairly standard game of WW. There may be a conversion mechanic in the game but it is in no way what it would have been with a large game.

I actually feel bad about this game to be honest, I kind of rushed it together. I had thought about making it a Left 4 Dead themed game and that the "wolves" would actually be the good guys but I figured since my last game used that same mechanic (wolves being the good guys) I would go standard this time around.

[EagleFan]

Have I read this thread correctly? No votes yet?

[hoopsguy]

So I was going to look at the PB voters from yesterday as a good starting point because:
1.) he was the leading vote-getter as a villager. There is usually a wolf in the mix here.
2.) I voted for him, so that pulls one name off the list for me.

However, the remaining names on the list are Telle (first vote) and two votes that could be construed as defensive (Schmidty + Danny). Nothing that seems out-and-out inappropriate at first blush.

I'm also not 100% sure what to make of the five "no votes". My normal reaction to 1-2 is to give them benefit of doubt as villagers. This is magnified by the fact that the wolves got a night action in on the tandem day/night deadline. But extending the "villager lean" courtesy to five of the remaining players is a bit of a stretch for me.

[hoopsguy]

Have I read this thread correctly? No votes yet?

Correct.

[RealDeal]

I'll start the ball rolling because we can't let things go to 6 o clock with no votes. As always, the usual caveat that I will probably change as things develop, because I don't have a strong feeling about this yet:

vote Danny

[dubb93]

Vote Hoops

I get the zombie vibe from him.

[EagleFan]

Time seems to be slowing down with every tick of the clock. Nerves are rattled, patience is lost, hope is lost. Hell has descended upon you as if it were ripped right off the screen of a B rate horror movie.

You can't help but feel guilty about what you have done to PurdueBrad, he came to the store to buy a gift and was rewarded for that action by being wrongly accused of being infected by this deadly horror.

You can't help but glance in the direction where his body lays still... or where it uset to lay. Where has his body gone? What has happened to him? Did someone move him so that you would no longer be reminded that blood is on your hands?

You try to forget but find it impossible.

You turn the television back on and find that somewhere there are people living there lives as normal, seemingly with no clue what is happening in your own little corner of hell.

You find a hockey game and decide that will be worth watching. The Penguins are facing the Red Wings and the game is tied 1-1. You settle in and try to lose yourself in the game for a few minutes, life has returned to normal for that brief moment while you watch.

Crosby lumbers out onto the ice. He seems to be moving much slower than normal as he skates towards the ref. Noooooo!!!! You see him bite into the referee and suddenly all hell breaks lose in the arena as zombies begin flowing over the boards and onto the ice. Life may never be the same...

[EagleFan]

As of 158:

Danny 1 - RealDeal (156)
hoopsguy 1 - dubb93 (157)

[claphamsa]

lulz!

[J23]

Vote Telle

I'll throw up a vote for another person that was on PB yesterday. Since there were nightkills performed, I think it is safe to assume that we have at least one wolf in those that voted, if not more.

4 people voted for PB yesterday: Telle, Hoops, Schmidty, Danny.
With CR being the NK target, and his vote on Schmidty yesterday, I'm thinking it would be too obvious for Schmidty to be a wolf killing him because he was threatened. Of course, the wolves might think that we'd think this, and have done the kill for that exact reason! Perhaps I'll go seek the advice of a Sicilian and tell them that death is on the line.

Given that Danny and Hoops already have a vote each, I'll bring up Telle as a possible 3rd candidate to get some discussion going.

[Telle]

Still haven't seen Lathum in thread..

vote Lathum

[Darth Vilus]

wow, lathum, danny, telle, and hoops all in the running, who to vote for. i better reread yesterday's progress before i vote. did lathum say anything about not being around much?

[Lathum]

Vote Telle

[EagleFan]

As of 164:

Danny 1 - RealDeal (156)
hoopsguy 1 - dubb93 (157)
Telle 2 - J23 (161), Lathum (164)
Lathum 1 - Telle (162)

[The Jackal]

nice hit and run lathum haha

[The Jackal]

I have to go to work, and there isn't much to go on here, going to keep it close.

vote danny

[hoopsguy]

I'm not sure how much availability I'll have between now and deadline as I've got solo kid duty tonight. So I'll put a vote on Danny now because I think it helps provide the most info on the Day 1 vote. He, unlike Telle, was one of the candidates in what passed for a runoff yesterday.

If possible, I'll be online later to see what develops and evaluate a vote change.

VOTE DANNY

[Schmidty]

Just got off work, and am checking in. I don't have time to catch up because I go tutor at the middle school in 15 minutes.

I'll be back in like 2 hours.

[Darth Vilus]

This vote may change later depending on what happens, but for now i am going to go ahead and

VOTE LATHUM

His lack of play seems a bit foshy to me

[Danny]

I'm going to run out for a bit, will be back about an hour before deadline.

[Darth Vilus]

I'm going to run out for a bit, will be back about an hour before deadline.

pick me up a pizza

[EagleFan]

As of 172:

Danny 3 - RealDeal (156), The Jackal (167), hoopsguy (168)
hoopsguy 1 - dubb93 (157)
Telle 2 - J23 (161), Lathum (164)
Lathum 2 - Telle (162), Darth Vilus (170)

[claphamsa]

vote lathum

[Lathum]

This vote may change later depending on what happens, but for now i am going to go ahead and

VOTE LATHUM

His lack of play seems a bit foshy to me

says the guy who also didn't vote day 1

[Darth Vilus]

i said lack of play, i didnt mention your missed vote.

[Lathum]

i said lack of play, i didnt mention your missed vote.

how is a missed vote not considered a lack of play?

[Lathum]

dola- I was conducting a little experiment this game to see if I don't say anything how quickly I become a target. I had no idea there were 5 no votes yesterday. Today I was legitematly ubed busy. This is finals week, I have a 10page paper due, have to grade 9 papers for another class and am leaving for Vegas Friday. Plus we have been visiting daycare centers all week, had an ultrasound appointment yesterday morning and our cat has been foaming at the mouth and we took her to the vet twice and emergency clinic once.

It has been a crazy few days. Kill me if you like I am a vanilla villager and will probably be gone until deadline since I have to go get my wifes car from the service center.

[Lathum]

unvote Telle
Vote Danny

self preservation

[EagleFan]

As of 179:

Danny 4 - RealDeal (156), The Jackal (167), hoopsguy (168), Lathum (179)
hoopsguy 1 - dubb93 (157)
Telle 1 - J23 (161)
Lathum 3 - Telle (162), Darth Vilus (170), claphasa (174)

[Danny]

unvote Telle
Vote Danny

self preservation

Eh, my vote wasn't down yet and I was leaning towards wanting to vote Telle. I really dont have a choice now.

[dubb93]

I may come back to Hoops tomorrow but for the time being I will

Unvote Hoops

Since there doesn't appear to be any traction for a Hoops lynch I will use my vote today to cancel out the vote of my number one suspect,

Vote Lathum

Sorry Lathum but Hoops voted Danny and I trust Hoops the least out of every player right now.

[dubb93]

I will move that vote if I have to in order to avoid a tie. We can't afford a no lynch.

[Danny]

Vote Lathum

Not sold on him, but no real choice here.

[hoopsguy]

At this point I'm pretty comfortable with my vote.

Dubb, why am I your number one suspect? Does the logic still hold up if I'm some kind of non-cunning wolf/zombie?

[Lathum]

late switch?

[Lathum]

I may come back to Hoops tomorrow but for the time being I will

Unvote Hoops

Since there doesn't appear to be any traction for a Hoops lynch I will use my vote today to cancel out the vote of my number one suspect,

Sorry Lathum but Hoops voted Danny and I trust Hoops the least out of every player right now.

So if we were wolves we would vote together?

Makes no sense. Once I come back villager look closely at this, convenient excuse to eliminat me and save Danny.

[Lathum]

unvote Danny
Vote Telle

[Danny]

Unvote Lathum

[Danny]

Vote Telle

[Lathum]

Unvote telle
Vote Danny

[EagleFan]

deadline

[Darth Vilus]

what the hell is with all the late switching?

[EagleFan]

final vote:

Danny 4 - RealDeal (156), The Jackal (167), hoopsguy (168), Lathum (191)
Telle 2 - J23 (161), Danny (190)
Lathum 4 - Telle (162), Darth Vilus (170), claphasa (174), dubb93 (182)

[Lathum]

what the hell is with all the late switching?

I didn't want to die. Saw an opportunity and took it. Should tell us something. I would be looking really close at Dubb and Danny.

[Telle]

Great, a tie. Good maneuvering folks.

[Darth Vilus]

I didn't want to die. Saw an opportunity and took it. Should tell us something. I would be looking really close at Dubb and Danny.

what did it tell us? nobody was lynched

[EagleFan]

After a long day of debating the race comes down to Lathum and Danny. Late changes bring Telle into the mix briefly but ultimately it ends up with you not being able to decide between Lathum and Danny.

You cannot bring yourself to pulling the trigger on another person, mwhat if you are wrong?

You decide that everyone can live and you will take your chances that this infection will soon pass.

You cannot help but feel like something has changed...

Could if be for the better?

[EagleFan]

Night Results shortly

[Darth Vilus]

key jeopardy theme song

[EagleFan]

As night turns into day yet again you begin to gather. You seemed to sleep better last night, probably because of exhaustion.

You count and see that all 11 of you remain and feel like you hve just turned the corner and things could be getting better. Of course then you remember that there were 12 of you left.

Who is missing?

hoopsguy, where is he?

Then you see if, the gruesome remains of hoopsguy near a bookcase with a copy of Twighlight laying nearby. He has become a midnight snack for the horror which remains. You feel that time is running out, but how much time do you have?

hoopsguy was a vanilla villager.

[claphamsa]

lame on the tie.

[Telle]

Guess all that suspicion of hoopsguy was unfounded.

[Schmidty]

Sorry I missed the vote guys. Tuesday is the busiest day of the week for me.

Oh, and this:

Vote Danny

[claphamsa]

awfully confident....

[Danny]

That's probably because he knows I have a role. I am the seer. I scanned Schmidty tonight and he is a wolf.

Night 1 I scanned Lathum which is why I tried that maneuvering to Telle there at the end after Lathum switched as I knew I wasn't going to be lynched at that point.

[dubb93]

OK, that 8:59-9:00 Lathum and Danny switching was too damn perfect for me to stomach. Almost like they had contact outside the thread and planned that....

[dubb93]

That's probably because he knows I have a role.

Assuming he is a zombie how would he know you are roled?

[claphamsa]

oooo a fake reveal... who is lying wooooooo

[dubb93]

oooo a fake reveal... who is lying wooooooo

Schmidty never revealed as seer. Plus he didn't vote. I'd have a hard time believing he got a night action in but didn't get a vote in since they are both 9P deadlines.

[Danny]

Assuming he is a zombie how would he know you are roled?

Not sure, I didn't get any indication he knew about the scan. But what I did at deadline does stand out.

[Darth Vilus]

huh, i really didnt peg danny as the seer

[Darth Vilus]

admittedly ive never played a game where he was the seer though

[Danny]

I got mad seer skills

[Danny]

I'm going to get back to work, but obviously

Vote Schmidty

[dubb93]

I'm going to wait to hear from Schmidty before I make a rash early vote.

[Lathum]

what did it tell us? nobody was lynched

you don't think the late movement when they thought I wasn't going to be back in time doesn't give us info?

[Lathum]

Why would Schmidty come out like that unless he knew he was scanned, which is a very rare mechanic.

[Lathum]

Night 1 I scanned Lathum which is why I tried that maneuvering to Telle there at the end after Lathum switched as I knew I wasn't going to be lynched at that point.

You also would know as a wolf that I am a villager and can use it as leverage when I come up as such. By unvoting me and moving on to Telle it still leaves me at 4 votes and I am a goner, but you can say " well I tried to save him" you didn't realize I would be able to tie it up.

OK, that 8:59-9:00 Lathum and Danny switching was too damn perfect for me to stomach. Almost like they had contact outside the thread and planned that....

IMO you are a wolf and are trying to link Danny and me since you know Danny is going to come out wolf sooner or later.

[Schmidty]

I'm not a wolf, and I'm not the Seer. I hope that the real Seer won't speak up, because I don't want him (or her) get picked off.

Danny is obviously a wolf, but I don't understand why he would tag me when I have no role. Not only that, he's pretty much throwing in the towel, and trying draw out the Seer.

I'm vanilla. If I die, it's no big deal. I'm not even mad because I'm pretty shocked.

[The Jackal]

I'm not very convinced at all by that reveal. Not saying I'm sure Danny is a wolf but that in no way gives him a pass. The only positive from this is that hoops is dead instead of converted. ;)

[Lathum]

Vote Danny

[claphamsa]

vote danny

[EagleFan]

As of 223:

Danny 3 - Schmidty (204), Lathum (222), claphamsa (223)
Schmidty 1 - Danny (214)

[EagleFan]

Probably another crazy day but I am working at home today (as I now have "lake front" property after the storm went through last night) so I should be able to dual laptop it and have my home laptop ready to go for posting.

[RealDeal]

I'm always really cautious anytime I may be killing the seer, because that's a mistake you can't make, but I find it strange that Danny was nearly lynched twice and said nothing, and then suddenly reveals out of nowhere. I'm having a hard time understanding how this is plausible behavior.

[Lathum]

I'm always really cautious anytime I may be killing the seer, because that's a mistake you can't make, but I find it strange that Danny was nearly lynched twice and said nothing, and then suddenly reveals out of nowhere. I'm having a hard time understanding how this is plausible behavior.

If we are getting a 1-1 trade then tha'ts ok, pretty standard.

[dubb93]

you don't think the late movement when they thought I wasn't going to be back in time doesn't give us info?

The late movement was you switching to Telle, followed by Danny switching to Telle followed by you switching to Danny to force a no lynch. Unless you didn't think you would be back in time and used that as a basis to switch your own vote then this post is complete BS.

[KWhit]

Vote Danny

[Danny]

I'm always really cautious anytime I may be killing the seer, because that's a mistake you can't make, but I find it strange that Danny was nearly lynched twice and said nothing, and then suddenly reveals out of nowhere. I'm having a hard time understanding how this is plausible behavior.

You weren't around either day, but I was not nearly lynched at all. I was in no danger on day 1 or 2 within an hour or two of deadline.

[Danny]

I'm always really cautious anytime I may be killing the seer, because that's a mistake you can't make, but I find it strange that Danny was nearly lynched twice and said nothing, and then suddenly reveals out of nowhere. I'm having a hard time understanding how this is plausible behavior.

And I revealed out of nowhere because I scanned a wolf. Schmidty's approach to this looks to be working well.

[RealDeal]

You weren't around either day, but I was not nearly lynched at all. I was in no danger on day 1 or 2 within an hour or two of deadline.

Yesterday you were on top or near the top of the voting all day.

Also, if you are the seer, who else have you scanned. Might as well go open kimono now.

[dubb93]

Yesterday you were on top or near the top of the voting all day.

Also, if you are the seer, who else have you scanned. Might as well go open kimono now.

He already claimed to scan Lathum on N1.

[Danny]

Yesterday you were on top or near the top of the voting all day.

Also, if you are the seer, who else have you scanned. Might as well go open kimono now.

Look at how things developed. I was not in danger as deadline approached. I actually thought I played that quite well to not have to reveal.

[RealDeal]

He already claimed to scan Lathum on N1.

Sorry, missed that before.

[Telle]

I think the safer bet is to lynch Schmidty and see if Danny is telling the truth, than to potentially lynch the seer. If Schmidty turns up villager then we simply lynch Danny the next day.

vote Schmidty

[J23]

Vote Schmidty

I'm on the fence still at this point, but Telle's plan has me leaning this way atm.

[Lathum]

The late movement was you switching to Telle, followed by Danny switching to Telle followed by you switching to Danny to force a no lynch. Unless you didn't think you would be back in time and used that as a basis to switch your own vote then this post is complete BS.

I stated earlier that I didn't think I would be back. I would never lie about something like that. Never have never would.

I walked in the door literally three minutes prior to deadline. Danny switched and it gave me the chance to save myself so I took it.

Your vote on the other hand looks pretty poor, even worse if Danny is a wolf. Your logic was you trust Hoops the least, so you chose to vote me over Danny, in essence, saving Danny. We now know Hoops is a villager and the whole strange Danny/ Schmidty situation.

As far as that goes it seems an awfully strange coincidence Schmidty would vote so soon and Danny, claiming seer happened to scan him. I think Danny got spooked.

If Danny comes back wolf then you are the next logical choice, if Danny is the seer then we know I am cleared and Schmidty is indeed a wolf.

[Lathum]

And I revealed out of nowhere because I scanned a wolf. Schmidty's approach to this looks to be working well.

How would Schmidty know he was scanned?

Like I said, that is a mechanic you never really see in a game, and EF said this is a pretty vanilla game.

[RealDeal]

Voting Schmidty is a safer course of action, but I just don't buy Danny's story right now. Also, Schmidty jumped right out and voted for Danny, which leads me to believe he had some info. Hate to save Danny because we think he's a seer just to vote for Schmidty who ends up having a role.

[Lathum]

Dola- Danny, you are a smarter player then that.

Sorry, but you aren't gonna blow your load that quick with that info. You are to good a player to do that, you would sit on that info and see who votes with Schmidty, what they say, etc...

[Lathum]

dola- The other thing I can see is Schmidty and Telle being wolves and Schmidty trying to get an early run on Danny since Telle had some heat on her.

[Schmidty]

And I revealed out of nowhere because I scanned a wolf. Schmidty's approach to this looks to be working well.

My "approach" is simply telling the truth. There's nothing else I can do in this situation.

[EagleFan]

As of 242:

Danny 4 - Schmidty (204), Lathum (222), claphamsa (223), KWhit (229)
Schmidty 3 - Danny (214), Telle (236), J23 (237)

[Lathum]

So lets assume Danny is lying.

If the real seer comes out, assuming their first 2 scans are still alive that gives us three cleared and probably clears Schmidty, giving us 4 cleared.

Anyone think that makes sense?

[RealDeal]

I don't have a good feeling about this, but for right now:

Vote Schmidty

Schmidty came out from the start with a vote for Danny, but he's given no explanation why. As such, one possible explanation is that he may have become aware that he was scanned and had to defend himself.

Danny is very sketchy and my gut tells me he is lying, but right now, the difference maker is that Danny is either a wolf or the seer, while Schmidty so far appears to be either a wolf or a vanilla villager. So if I'm wrong on this vote, at least I'm not potentially killing the seer.

[Darth Vilus]

this is definitely a tough one. i didnt like the late movement by danny or lathum so i am inclined to vote for danny today. I dont want to accidentally want to kill the seer though. And schmidty did say he was a vanilla villlager which gives us a little cushion if we go with danny and danny is lying.

worst case scenario if we kill danny is that we kill the seer and find a wolf in schmidty, best case scenario is we kill a wolf.

worst case scenario if we kill scmidty is we kill a vanilla villager and find a wolf in danny, best case is we kill a wolf

So because of this i am goingto go ahead and

VOTE SCHMIDTY

I'll be going to work now so i wont be able to change my vote no matter what happens. Later

[Lathum]

If Schmidty is a wolf why wouldn't he at least counter Danny and claim seer?

Makes no sense not to.

[EagleFan]

As of 248:

Danny 4 - Schmidty (204), Lathum (222), claphamsa (223), KWhit (229)
Schmidty 5 - Danny (214), Telle (236), J23 (237), RealDeal (246), Drth Vilus (247)

[claphamsa]

im curious about the smity voters.... do you believe there is a role where he would know he was scanned?