WW - Nightmare Before Christmas (Game Over - Wolves Win!!!)

[EagleFan]

Quick summary. Not exactly based on the movie but will loosely use some of the movie. Figure it will give us a game before Christmas gets here.

It will be a very basic game.

The deadline will be 10 PM EST and it will be a 24 hour game with one deadline.

I will flesh out the details tonight.

[EagleFan]

The game will be Santa's Christmas Village which has been invaded by a twisted cast from X-Mas town. A holiday mixup with tragic consequences.


Rules

Lynch Vote - Due at 10:00 PM EST each night. 10:00 PM is valid, 10:01 PM is late. The player with th most votes will be lynched and removed from the game.

Tie Vote - In the event of a tie lynch vote there will be a random drawing of the players who were not tied for the lead to see who is removed from the game. Tie vote is bad (except for the ones tied)...

End Game - If the village has removed all of the wolves they win. If the wolves achieve a 1:1 ratio with the remaining villagers they win.


Roles

Santa Clause - Village. He knows when you've been bad or good... He is the seer and once per night may submit a scan of another player.

Mrs. Clause - Village. She has the ability to exchange one PM with Santa per day (they each may send one to the other on any game day). If they exceed their limit of one per day they will be joined together so that either a lynch or night kill of one will result in the other being killed as well. If they exceed it a second time they will be immediately discovered by the wolves and killed.

Rudolph - Village. His nose shines brightly and because of his effort to help guide the team through the foggy weather Santa has put plenty of faith in him and will allow him to change the results of a lynch vote one time during the game. Granted it may seem odd to allow a 4 legged animal to decide the fate of someone but the jolly old guy may be losing it a little. The duke.

Blitzen - Village. He uses his powerful frame to protect his fellow villagers. He may protect oner person each night. He may self protect but may not protect the same person on consecutive nights. If he protects the wolf that is doing the kill that night, no kill will occur. If he protects Oogie Boogie there will be no scan for Jack. He will not learn the result of his action.


Sandy Claws - Wolf. He knows when you are sleeping and you BETTER watch out. He is the brutal and will take another player out with him if he is lynched (a player of his choosing).

Oogie Boogie - Wolf. He may submit a scan each night trying to find Jack so they may bring him back to the flock. A scan will not convert Jack but only reveal him.

Sally - Wolf. She looks like a harmless little toy but she is far from that. She will scan as a villger. The Cunning.


Jack Skellington - Neutral. He meant well but caused this mess as his alter ego is out of control. If he is night killed he will be converted to the wolves. If he is scanned by Santa he will become a villager. If neither occur he will have his own win condition which only he will know. He will count in the villager numbers for teh sake of win condition unless he is converted to a wolf.

[EagleFan]

Player List

1) DaddyTorgo - Jack Skellington, village convert (night five kill)
2) Autumn
3) PackerFanatic - vanilla villager (day two lynch)
4) Chief Rum - Mrs. Clause (day three brutal)
5) Lathum
6) Darth Vilus - Blitzen (night two kill)
7) Passacaglia - vanilla villager (night two kill)
8) Danny
9) The Jackal - Sandy Claws (day three lynch)
10) saldana - Rudolph (night three kill)
11) Raiders Army - vanilla villager (day five lynch)
12) thejuggler3
13) Coffee Warlord - Santa (night four kill)
14) MartinD - vanilla villager (day four lynch)

[DaddyTorgo]

Okay...in.

[Poli]

Like.

[EagleFan]

Posted some of the rules and roles. Will add and tweak as the weeked nears. Looking for a Monday day one. Will be sending out some PM's to try to lure a few into the game.

[Autumn]

Looks awesome. I'm in.

[PackerFanatic]

It's been a long while since I've played, and this sounds a like a fun one to jump back in. Count me in :)

PS - THanks for the PM, EF :)

[Chief Rum]

Sure.

[EagleFan]

It's been a long while since I've played, and this sounds a like a fun one to jump back in. Count me in :)

PS - THanks for the PM, EF :)

Not a problem. Remembered that I hadn't seen you in a game for a while.

[Lathum]

I'll sign up but may be pretty sketchy for availability

[Darth Vilus]

In

[Passacaglia]

In. You must really like the movie "The Santa Clause"

[EagleFan]

You must really like the movie "The Santa Clause"

Why is that? Think I saw it one time. This is actually using pieces from The Nightmare Before Christmas; though it is only having a few references and won't be truly based on.

[Danny]

`Sure, Ill play.

[The Jackal]

In

[saldana]

sure

[Coffee Warlord]

Trying to talk my buddy who tried live werewolf at Gencon into registering & playing. If he signs up, I will too.

[EagleFan]

Trying to talk my buddy who tried live werewolf at Gencon into registering & playing. If he signs up, I will too.

That would be nice, fresh blood is just what we need.

[Coffee Warlord]

He texted me and said he was gonna register and sign up, so ... FRESH MEAT.

[Raiders Army]

Me likey basic game.

[thejuggler3]

Hi, I'm Coffee Warlord's friend. I'd like to jump in and give it a try.

[Coffee Warlord]

Which means, throw me in.

[saldana]

awesome CW...welcome aboard Juggler...allow me to give you some quick pointers....Lathum is always a wolf and I am always a villager...dont ever vote for me. :)

hope you enjoy the game

[EagleFan]

Welcome aboard thejuggler3.

[EagleFan]

I'll have the cutoff for registration as tomorrow evening (some point after FOFC 2 - Rurik/Willis... if anyone is interested in adding a fighter in another weight class I'll add them to the undercard... :) ). I'll send out the roles at that point.

[MartinD]

I would like to play (although I may be a little short of time to contribute, and I definitely won't be around at deadline!)

[EagleFan]

I would like to play (although I may be a little short of time to contribute, and I definitely won't be around at deadline!)

Welcome back!

[The Jackal]

Solid player list!

[Chief Rum]

Solid player list!

Agreed, it's exciting to see a good number of players and some faces we haven't seen in a bit.

[EagleFan]

Sending out roles shortly.

[DaddyTorgo]

awesome CW...welcome aboard Juggler...allow me to give you some quick pointers....Lathum is always a wolf and I am always a villager...dont ever vote for me. :)

hope you enjoy the game

Ignore saldana's hints - he's married to Lathum. ;)

[DaddyTorgo]

Role received.

GAME ON!!!

[EagleFan]

For the record. The vanilla villager PM is..

You are a vanilla villager.

[EagleFan]

Bull****, that was not a catch.

Sorry, watching the game while getting this together.

[EagleFan]

Welcome to Santa's workshop at the north pole. What was once a peaceful setting is now wrought with terror. The elf known as EagleFan has been discovered; his body mutilated.

Is this the work of one person? Are there more? Something needs to be done.

You decide that you must investigate and begin to eliminate your suspects until you have uncovered the truth.

Day one deadline is Monday at 10 PM EST.

GAME ON!!!

[The Jackal]

You made yourself an elf, heh. checking in! i can't guarantee ill be around at all of the deadlines but ill do my best

[EagleFan]

You made yourself an elf, heh. checking in! i can't guarantee ill be around at all of the deadlines but ill do my best

Actually all vanilla villagers are elves. I actually forgot to send that with the first vanilla PM and wanted to keep them all the same.

[The Jackal]

ill get you back for making me an elf.. it may not be today, may not be tomorrow, definitely not when the flyers are beating the penguins on tuesday night, but soon :)

[Darth Vilus]

Checking in, let's do this!

[MartinD]

Villager/elf checking in...

[Chief Rum]

Checking in. I'm pointy-eared, short and a skilled toy manufacturer.

[Danny]

Quick check in before I go to sleep.

[saldana]

checking in.

[PackerFanatic]

I'm an elf, but I wish I were a dentist... :)

Kidding, of course - I will probably garner interest on that comment alone. But hey, it's been a while since I've played, might as well spice things up to start, right?

[Coffee Warlord]

Jingle bell jingle bell jingle bell....

LET'S ROCK. (okay, that was awful)

[Lathum]

Vote Desean "Gay Fuckwad" Jackson

[Lathum]

checking in

[Coffee Warlord]

Vote Lovie Smith

[thejuggler3]

Hi, all. Checking in for my first time ever! Woohoo!

[Autumn]

Hey all, checking in late, though it looks like I didn't miss anything. My son split his chin open yesterday and that emergency room visit threw my schedule off.

I'm excited for this one, looks like fun roles out there. And for the sake of my kids I will make sure Christmas stays happy!

All right, off to look at the signup list and decide who to lynch.

[Autumn]

btw welcome Juggler, and welcome back to some of you guys who haven't played for a while. Let's make this a good one.

[Coffee Warlord]

Annnnnd, to wake up anyone shy about casting the first day 1 vote.

Vote Saldana

[Coffee Warlord]

Oh. Yeah. One more thing I wanna make sure everyone saw.


Tie Vote - In the event of a tie lynch vote there will be a random drawing of the players who were not tied for the lead to see who is removed from the game. Tie vote is bad (except for the ones tied)...


No ties, kids.

[Autumn]

Oh and I think EF updated the Mrs. Claus rules, so make sure those who need to read that. Or maybe I just didn't read it well the first time, but it's scary.

So pretty standard on the village side: seer, bg, duke, and a Lover.

Wolves have a brutal, a cunning and then a possible convert. That convert is a bit more complicated though, because if we don't have a night kill we won't know if Jack's become a villager or a wolf unless Santa comes forward. Nice twist there, EF.

Well, I can't say I know where to vote today. I should vote some sort of revenge vote for last game when I told you guys exactly who the wolves were and you lynched me. But I don't remember who to blame for all that.

[EagleFan]

Vote Sour Grapes

That is how I read that...

[saldana]

Ignore saldana's hints - he's married to Lathum. ;)


easiest.
Day.
1.
vote.
ever!!!


vote DT

[saldana]

dola, anyone that votes for Packer for the dentist joke should not only be summarilly lynched, but also have to give back all their christmas presents!

[saldana]

Oh and I think EF updated the Mrs. Claus rules, so make sure those who need to read that. Or maybe I just didn't read it well the first time, but it's scary.

So pretty standard on the village side: seer, bg, duke, and a Lover.

Wolves have a brutal, a cunning and then a possible convert. That convert is a bit more complicated though, because if we don't have a night kill we won't know if Jack's become a villager or a wolf unless Santa comes forward. Nice twist there, EF.

Well, I can't say I know where to vote today. I should vote some sort of revenge vote for last game when I told you guys exactly who the wolves were and you lynched me. But I don't remember who to blame for all that.

i suggest DT.

[Passacaglia]

Welcome the juggler!

[Chief Rum]

It's an interesting ruleset. I think EF did the tie thing in the last one, too, but not sure. I see the Claus-Mrs. Claus thing as a tremendous advantage for the villagers, but the wolves have a lot of roles, too. My guess is that the role list is small enough, and the player list is large enough that we can reasonably expect all roles to be present in the game.

It will be interesting to see how Jack plays his role. Does he drop hints? And who does he want to find him? Anyone want to take a crack at what his win condition is? It might simply be, survive.

Man, Monday mornings suck. Glad I have a good cup of o' joe to get me by.

[Chief Rum]

Oh, and Autumn, feel free to vote for the villagers from the last game, but I hope you'll give me a pass. I was just doing my wolfy best. :p

[Coffee Warlord]

Man, Monday mornings suck. Glad I have a good cup of o' joe to get me by.

Only one cup? C'mon now.

[Autumn]

Hah, right Chief.

I would guess Jack has to outlive several players, probably Santa and the head wolf or something like that.

[PackerFanatic]

Thanks sal, haha

[EagleFan]

As of post 65:

saldana 1 - Coffee Warlord (53)
DaddyTorgo 1 - saldana (57)

[MartinD]

I could go for the standard random 'someone who doesn't have a vote' option for day 1, but I feel like doing something different... This may mean I end up having a short game - if that happens, so be it.

VOTE DADDYTORGO

No reason behind this other than picking one of the two people who already have a vote.

[Autumn]

People I'm not going to vote day 1 because they haven't played ever/in a while (I think):

MartinD
PackerFanatic
MartinD
CoffeeWarlord
thejuggler3

People I'm not going to vote because there's already a nest of votes that I'm suspicious about:

Saldana
Daddy Torgo

People I'm not going to vote day one because the wolves would love to get an early lynch of them if they're villager:

Danny
Chief Rum

People I will chose from:

Lathum
Darth Vilus
passacaglia
The Jackal
Raiders Army

Now I'll ponder some further excuse to vote.

[Autumn]

dola yes I now see that I included Martin twice.

[DaddyTorgo]

Ooof - then again after my steller wolf-play in the last game (along with my teammates) I suppose I should be expecting votes.

[Autumn]

And looking over mh list, Darth hasn't checked in yet, and got to the end of the last game (as a wolf to boot) so he's my early contender for my vote. Still plenty of time to check in though so I'll hold off, wait for one of you to say something incriminating ;-)

[PackerFanatic]

Using Autumn's list, I am going to pull from his "people to choose from" list. I don't want to pile on DT too heavily, so I will throw the vote elsewhere, get one more option in there.

VOTE DARTH VILUS

[Passacaglia]

And looking over mh list, Darth hasn't checked in yet, and got to the end of the last game (as a wolf to boot) so he's my early contender for my vote. Still plenty of time to check in though so I'll hold off, wait for one of you to say something incriminating ;-)

FTR, Chief Rum stayed alive Day 1 last game for the same reasons you don't want to vote for him this game.

Giddy-up.

VOTE CHIEF RUM

[Coffee Warlord]

Using Autumn's list, I am going to pull from his "people to choose from" list. I don't want to pile on DT too heavily, so I will throw the vote elsewhere, get one more option in there.

VOTE DARTH VILUS

Granted, my spidey senses are rusty, but this is kinda rubbing me the wrong way, in a "ooh, someone else made an easy list for me to throw a vote onto. Jump in early!"

But, hey. It's a talking point.

[EagleFan]

As of post 74:

saldana 1 - Coffee Warlord (53)
DaddyTorgo 2 - saldana (57), MartinD (67)
Darth Vilus 1 - PackerFanatic (72)
Chief Rum 1 - Passacaglia (73)

[Autumn]

FTR, Chief Rum stayed alive Day 1 last game for the same reasons you don't want to vote for him this game.

Giddy-up.

VOTE CHIEF RUM

Well last game no one would listen to me when I said vote him. So maybe this time they won't listen to me when I say don't vote him!

[Autumn]

Granted, my spidey senses are rusty, but this is kinda rubbing me the wrong way, in a "ooh, someone else made an easy list for me to throw a vote onto. Jump in early!"

But, hey. It's a talking point.

That's exactly my reaction. Sometimes it's interesting to make these lists to see who's excited to piggyback on them. Especially since I didn't cast a vote, but indicated where I was going - it can end up looking in the vote results like I was the one jumping on his vote.

[Danny]

People I'm not going to vote day 1 because they haven't played ever/in a while (I think):

MartinD
PackerFanatic
MartinD
CoffeeWarlord
thejuggler3

People I'm not going to vote because there's already a nest of votes that I'm suspicious about:

Saldana
Daddy Torgo

People I'm not going to vote day one because the wolves would love to get an early lynch of them if they're villager:

Danny
Chief Rum

People I will chose from:

Lathum
Darth Vilus
passacaglia
The Jackal
Raiders Army

Now I'll ponder some further excuse to vote.

Since MartinD is playing twice, we can safely take out one of him :)

[Passacaglia]

Well last game no one would listen to me when I said vote him. So maybe this time they won't listen to me when I say don't vote him!

I voted him Day 1 -- but y'all decided to vote me instead. :p

[Danny]

I voted him Day 1 -- but y'all decided to vote me instead. :p

Maybe that strategy would work this time :)

[Autumn]

I voted him Day 1 -- but y'all decided to vote me instead. :p

Hey I voted him too, don't look at me. But yeah, I saw that you were the day 1 lynch last time - I'm not likely to vote you this time.

I also take back my comment on Darth - not only because Packer's vote made me suspicious, but I realized I don't want to vote for people who haven't checked in. I think we took out a roled villager that way lately and so I'm going to avoid that vote technique. I will vote someone on my list who is around to defend themselves.

[Coffee Warlord]

And because the slightest tinge of suspicion is a far better use of my vote than my original 'throw a vote on whoever to get things moving' reason...

Unvote Saldana
Vote PackerFanatic

Truth be told, it doesn't hurt he's a packers fan. :)

[thejuggler3]

I'm at a disadvantage because I don't know how people "normally" act at all (except Coffee... I've got my eye on you), so I guess for the first couple of days, I'll take a wait and see approach until i learn what people are like. :confused:

The difficulty is then I may be playing right into the wolves' hands on votes, but if anyone wonders why I'll probably end up voting with group for a few days, that's why.

[thejuggler3]

And thanks to everyone welcoming me :)

[PackerFanatic]

UNVOTE DARTH VILUS

Don't want to draw suspicion to myself, so I will wait a bit to cast a vote. I really did seem too eager, didn't I...darn WW rust :)

[MartinD]

dola yes I now see that I included Martin twice.

Is that because I've left such a lasting impression that you managed to forget me by the time you had added one more name to the list? ;)

Since MartinD is playing twice, we can safely take out one of him :)

Hmmm, multiple personalities - has anyone gone down those lines when setting up game rules in the past? Neither me or I can remember... ;)

[Coffee Warlord]

I do remember someone running a time travel game before.

Didn't play it, but my head hurt even thinking about it.

[Coffee Warlord]

Been awfully quiet today. Hopefully we'll get some action tonight.

[EagleFan]

As of post 88:

PackerFanatic 1 - Coffee Warlord (82)
DaddyTorgo 2 - saldana (57), MartinD (67)
Chief Rum 1 - Passacaglia (73)

[Darth Vilus]

Sorry I haven't been here, I decided to take a nap after my finals. No work today so i took advantage of it :D

[Chief Rum]

Hmm, at this point, I'll need to vote out of self-preservation, as I will be leaving for the second job in a few minutes and won't be back again until after the deadline.

I don't like pushing DT up, but Packer just came back to play, so I also don't want to put him in a bad spot on his first day back. I don't really have a reason to believe either PF or DT are wolves, as of yet (but of course no one knows anything anyway).

VOTE DADDYTORGO

[Darth Vilus]

Vote PackerFanatic

He does seem eager but that vote for me comes off as more of a safe vote. Might change later but I'm not sure yet

[Coffee Warlord]

After a quick look, only person we haven't seen is RA.

[The Jackal]

Still a lot of people left to vote? Jeez.

[Danny]

I don't see anything unusual about Packer compared to his normal play. He tends to be excited/eager when he plays, especially as a villager. He actually tends to be more tentative when he is a wolf.

[The Jackal]

Haven't heard anything from RA yet I don't think. I don't see a need to pile on DT and CR and PF haven't done anything to bug me.

For now:

VOTE RA

I'm off to make dinner, will definitely check back in before deadline.

[Danny]

Vote Saldana

Its a 4th candidate, but I'm not a fan of voting Packer or Chief right now, and DT already has 3 votes. I chose Saldana because he had 1 early vote and nobody followed on him, I think if he is a villager, a wolf might have put a second vote on there.

[Autumn]

I didn't expect to be gone so long. But ... kids. Glad I didn't miss the deadline, I was worried here for a minute.

Since Darth is here and can defend himself, and since DT and Packer were not on my "vote list" I'll vote Darth. I don't want to spread the vote more at this point.

<b>VOTE DARTH VILUS</b>

[Autumn]

dola

Those last two votes weren't there when I started writing. Jinx.

[Danny]

lol, well we just had three people put a 4th candidate up at once, and now we have 6

[Autumn]

I think I'm right that PackerFan has a vote on DArth Vilus, right? So Saldana is a 5th candidate, not 4th. Or 6th at this point, ugh.

[Danny]

He unvoted him

[Autumn]

I have

Day 1 Votes
CW votes (saldana) 53
Saldana votes DT 57
MartinD votes DT 67
PackerFan votes DV 72
Pass Votes Chief 73
CW unvotes
CW votes PackerFan 82
Chief votes DT 91
Darth Vilus votes PackerFan 92
Jackal votes RaiderArmy 96
Danny votes Saldana 97
Autumn votes DV 98

DT - 3
DV - 2
CR - 1
PF - 2
Saldana - 1
RA - 1

[Danny]

So technically, RA was a 4th, Saldana a 5th and Darth a 6th

[Danny]

UNVOTE DARTH VILUS

Don't want to draw suspicion to myself, so I will wait a bit to cast a vote. I really did seem too eager, didn't I...darn WW rust :)

...

[Autumn]

Oh, I missed that Danny, thanks.

[Autumn]

Well I'll change my vote if there's going to be no one else there. Just putting htat out there so we don't have four vote changes at once.

[Autumn]

I'll have to go back and look - I didn't want to vote Saldana this morning though I don't recall exactly why. I hesitate to vote Raider's Army if he hasn't checked in. That can backfire.

[Lathum]

Unvote DeSean "Gay Fuckwad" JAckson

Vote DT

pure revenge for last game

[Autumn]

Damn you werewolf players. I looked back over the day. I'm now convinced you're all wolves. That didn't help at all. When my suspicions start to require five different people to be wolves I start questioning myself.

[Danny]

Unvote DeSean "Gay Fuckwad" JAckson

Vote DT

pure revenge for last game

He now has four votes and with the tie situation, this will make it difficult to change who is lynched.

[Autumn]

Wow, 4 votes on DT. I'm not going to pile on that. I think I put him and Saldana in my not vote pile this morning because something seemed fishy there where Saldana "joke" voted DT and then PackerFan jumped on top of it. I might be willing to go Saldana then, much more than DT or PF at this point.

[Autumn]

Four more votes to come, right? DT hasn't voted. Who else?Jackal, RAider's Army, and juggler?

[Danny]

Jackal voted, but PF has not since he unvoted.

[Autumn]

My spreadsheet sucks.

[Autumn]

I'm not sure how much longer I'll be here. I'm going to switch my vote to Saldana - he's got 1 vote, whereas Darth has none. He makes a better second candidate than PF, I think, only in that I and most people don't like to lynch someone day 1 if they haven't been playing regularly. In addition, I thought Saldana was at least a little fishy this morning, so there's something to go on there. I'll try to keep up in case something comes up but I may pass out soon.

<b>unvote Darth Vilus
vote Saldana</b>

[Danny]

DT - 4
PF - 2
Saldana - 2
CR - 1
RA - 1

[Coffee Warlord]

DT - 4
CR - 1
PF - 2
Saldana - 2
RA - 1

Think that's about right, as of Autumn's vote on 116.

[Coffee Warlord]

Heh. Wow.

[Darth Vilus]

Damn you werewolf players. I looked back over the day. I'm now convinced you're all wolves. That didn't help at all. When my suspicions start to require five different people to be wolves I start questioning myself.

Lol, Autumn can't take the pressure

[thejuggler3]

Sorry - fixed...

Vote DT.

Sorry to pile on, DT, but Don't want a tie, and don't know anyone really quite yet.

[Coffee Warlord]

Sorry to pile on, but Vote DT. Don't want a tie, and don't know anyone really quite yet.

Bold the vote, and put it on a single line.

Damn noobs. :)

[Danny]

Juggler, generally speaking it's best not to create runaway votes. We still have a lot of time to deadline to avoid a tie if needed. I would switch myself if needed to avoid a tie. If you think DT is the best vote then by all means, but just keep in mind there is still a lot of time to avoid a tie if that is your reason.

[Darth Vilus]

Juggler, generally speaking it's best not to create runaway votes. We still have a lot of time to deadline to avoid a tie if needed. I would switch myself if needed to avoid a tie. If you think DT is the best vote then by all means, but just keep in mind there is still a lot of time to avoid a tie if that is your reason.

Dictator-ish me thinks. Oogie?

[DaddyTorgo]

Oooh - good thing I remembered the game had started...guess I need to put in my D1 vote...

[DaddyTorgo]

Really?? How am I the runaway candidate?? WTF!??!!

Self-defense vote only.

VOTE SALDANA

[Coffee Warlord]

And I yelled at Juggler for editing his post, too. ;)

[Danny]

Dictator-ish me thinks. Oogie?

Just some friendly advice ;)

[Darth Vilus]

That's how they all begin my friend

[EagleFan]

As of post 127:

PackerFanatic 2 - Coffee Warlord (82), Darth Vilus (92)
DaddyTorgo 5 - saldana (57), MartinD (67), Chief Rum (91), Lathum (109), thejuggler3 (121)
Chief Rum 1 - Passacaglia (73)
Raiders Army 1 - The Jackal (96)
saldana 3 - Danny (97), Autumn (116), DaddyTorgo (126)

[thejuggler3]

Yeah, sorry for the edit on my vote post to bold it how I'm supposed to. Coffee yelled at me. Won't do it again :)

For the first night, I've decided to vote with the flow as I see how other people "work".

It's a good point to not just bandwagon, and I figure after tonight, I can get a feel for people in the game and how they're voting.

[Coffee Warlord]

Haven't heard anything from RA yet I don't think. I don't see a need to pile on DT and CR and PF haven't done anything to bug me.

For now:

VOTE RA

I'm off to make dinner, will definitely check back in before deadline.

You did say you'll check back, but this is a bit of a wuss vote 2 hours before the deadline, with no other votes on him.

[EagleFan]

Yeah, sorry for the edit on my vote post to bold it how I'm supposed to. Coffee yelled at me. Won't do it again :)

For the first night, I've decided to vote with the flow as I see how other people "work".

It's a good point to not just bandwagon, and I figure after tonight, I can get a feel for people in the game and how they're voting.

Sorry about that. I got lazy on the rules and didn't include them as it has been a little while since we had a new player.

[The Jackal]

You did say you'll check back, but this is a bit of a wuss vote 2 hours before the deadline, with no other votes on him.

Didn't see the need to pile on DT, as some have, and having inactive players is usually not good (though I realize I was inactive day 1 last game). It seems to be a moot point however, as he will not be involved in the running here.

Trying to decide what's more important - having some room for shenanigans around the deadline to flush people out or avoiding the tie and seeing what happens with DT.

[The Jackal]

unvote RA

[Coffee Warlord]

Figure this is a fitting theme song for the game.

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[The Jackal]

Something still feels weird about the run on DT, I can't really explain it. I think he'll probably get lynched anyways when people use the anti-tie reasoning, but I think I'll go with:

VOTE SALDANA

[EagleFan]

As of post 137:

DaddyTorgo 5 - saldana (57), MartinD (67), Chief Rum (91), Lathum (109), thejuggler3 (121)
saldana 4 - Danny (97), Autumn (116), DaddyTorgo (126), The Jackal (137)
PackerFanatic 2 - Coffee Warlord (82), Darth Vilus (92)
Chief Rum 1 - Passacaglia (73)

[DaddyTorgo]

It'd be nice if I wasn't lynched...it's in everyone's interest for me not to be lynched.

[Darth Vilus]

Death is never easy my friend

[Danny]

That's obviously a half reveal. DT either has a role or is a wolf trying to save his hide.

[Danny]

DT, if you truly have a role, you may want to be more specific before you are lynched.

[DaddyTorgo]

DT, if you truly have a role, you may want to be more specific before you are lynched.

Well I mean I'd rather not. No sense in putting a target on my back.

[Darth Vilus]

Well I mean I'd rather not. No sense in putting a target on my back.

yeah cuz it's looking reat for you now with the lynch vote ;)

[Danny]

Well I mean I'd rather not. No sense in putting a target on my back.

If you're telling the truth, you already do.

[DaddyTorgo]

Well that's true...

[Coffee Warlord]

Time check.

[EagleFan]

deadline

[Danny]

Nothing to gain from guessing now, but I'm thinking we actually did a catch a wolf. I don't see why DT wouldn't have made a better reveal if he truly had a role.

[thejuggler3]

It could be a Christmas miracle!

[EagleFan]

It is time!!!!

Everyone gathers in the workshop and the debate begins. One of you must be responsible for the death EagleFan. Maybe thee are some clues...

You can find none but you begin to suspect each other.

Before you know it DaddyTorgo's name is being tossed about in the vote and is the leading candidate. More people pile on. A late run on saldana makes it close but in the end you feel that DaddyTorgo is the way to go.

You find him and bring him foreward.

Do you have any last minute confessions?

Yes, he replies. I do. I... I... I think the Patriots are going to win this year...

Lies!!!! The crowd screams!!!

Put him down!!!!

Wait!!!!!

Everyone stands in amazement as a a spirit rises above the crowd. It is the spirit of EagleFan.

My Christmas gift to everyone is no day one lynch, or night kill. All are protected. The village will gain something and the wolves will gain something.

The village will gain a new member. DaddyTorgo is Jack Skellington but he has now lost his powers and is a vanilla villager. The wolves will learn what they will gain in a PM.

[The Jackal]

Well that's interesting and seemingly positive for the village, since what the wolves will get can't be as good as a convert, one would think. Glad we didn't lose a seer or BG or some sort, but I too think DT would've revealed harder in that situation. No NK is always good.

[Danny]

Wonder if DT knew that was going to happen or he figured he would quasi reveal and if saved would be targeted by the wolves and converted.

[EagleFan]

I will post when day two will officially begin in the next few minutes. I need to send out a few PM's first to finalize the day.

I wanted this to be a game without a day one lynch but wanted the vote to be worth something so I did not make it known. Though you threw a wrench into my initial plans with your choice... :)

[The Jackal]

Well I'm gonna watch this movie and get some sleep, will be back tomorrow, will probably take a look at how the voting for DT went through the day.

[Danny]

I will post when day two will officially begin in the next few minutes. I need to send out a few PM's first to finalize the day.

I wanted this to be a game without a day one lynch but wanted the vote to be worth something so I did not make it known. Though you threw a wrench into my initial plans with your choice... :)

In this case look like DT was hoping to be saved and converted to a wolf

[thejuggler3]

Told you, a Christmas miracle :)

[EagleFan]

Day Two has begun!!!

[DaddyTorgo]

Wonder if DT knew that was going to happen or he figured he would quasi reveal and if saved would be targeted by the wolves and converted.

I had no idea. This was sort of my thought.

Damn you all for putting me up for lynch - I had a sweet role - and the ability to scan for and kill the brutal wolf BTW. So you lose that possibility.

[DaddyTorgo]

In this case look like DT was hoping to be saved and converted to a wolf

Or just not voted in general so i could continue as a villager and try to find the brutal and off him for us villagers.

But I figured the wolves would either come hard after me after my half-reveal, or else assume I was blowing smoke and leave me alone.

Lame.

[DaddyTorgo]

So now I'm just a vanilla villager?

Exciting. Not.

[Darth Vilus]

Well that day could have gone way worse, all in all i say it was an ok day

[Lathum]

Vote " Flaming Homo" Cliff Lee

[saldana]

Wow, 4 votes on DT. I'm not going to pile on that. I think I put him and Saldana in my not vote pile this morning because something seemed fishy there where Saldana "joke" voted DT and then PackerFan jumped on top of it. I might be willing to go Saldana then, much more than DT or PF at this point.

how is it fishy that i voted for a guy who made a joke about my questionable gender...thats one of the longest running gags on the board, and the number of times i have used that as the basis of my day one vote is probably in double figures.

i am not gonna whine and complain about catching votes yesterday, but i am rather suspicious of the people that drove the run...im never a big fan of day one pile ons when the person being piled upon isnt here to actually say anything or make any kind of reveal...i will be going back through how i got my head in the noose later and will figure out my vote from there.

[saldana]

Vote " Flaming Homo" Cliff Lee

i am gonna stab someone at work today because of how annoying all the asswipe phillie fans are gonna be about this.

[PackerFanatic]

Apologies for not getting in a vote yesterday - totally forgot to jump on last night to do so.

[Autumn]

Well that was an interesting result. Gaining a villager is good even if we lost your abilities DT. That looked like a fun role to have.

Saldana, it's not so much that your vote in itself is fishy, but you getting a vote and then you voting DT (which you can always write off as a gag) and then Martin deciding to follow you, the whole thing just felt off at the time. I wasn't sure what to make of it, which is why initially I put you guys in my "don't vote" pile, but at the end of the day I didn't want to waste my vote and you seemed fishier than DT.

Also I thought you were one of the guys that usually shows up right around deadline so I thought that was safe.

[The Jackal]

I'm not going to force the issue too hard on RA, but he still hasn't checked in, right? If I don't see a midday check-in he'll be a leading contender for my vote. Otherwise I'll probably be voting for one of the mid-late DT voters.

[Coffee Warlord]

Hmm. Well, since the wolves would also not know DT's role, to them, they were killing a villager last night. That said, I think it's a good bet at least one wolf got in on the DT entertainment last night.

saldana (57), MartinD (67), Chief Rum (91), Lathum (109), thejuggler3 (121)

Of these, the Lathum one stands out to me. He's claiming it a 'revenge' vote from last game, which, would ordinarily be fine, except that's a vote you do early on day 1, when people are just throwing out votes. Putting a pretty decisive vote on a guy for that reason...I dunno.

Of the others, I have no exciting bursts of insight there. PackerFanatic is still on my radar, though it'd be strange for a wolf to not get a vote in at all.

[Coffee Warlord]

Oh, and Darth Vilius seemed kind of...gleeful once it was becoming more and more apparent DT was dead last night. Odd.

[Lathum]

He's claiming it a 'revenge' vote from last game, which, would ordinarily be fine, except that's a vote you do early on day 1, when people are just throwing out votes. Putting a pretty decisive vote on a guy for that reason...I dunno.

I was pretty clear when I signed up I would have limited time. I spent the first half of yesterday traveling, getting checked in, getting net access, and taking care of a 7 month old while my wife went to a meeting.

I am just a vanilla villager so me being lynched is no big deal, right now I am with Jackal on RA.

[Lathum]

dola- I'll be limited today as well. I'll be visiting my Aunt all day. I'll have my phone but limited time.

[Coffee Warlord]

I was pretty clear when I signed up I would have limited time. I spent the first half of yesterday traveling, getting checked in, getting net access, and taking care of a 7 month old while my wife went to a meeting.

I am just a vanilla villager so me being lynched is no big deal, right now I am with Jackal on RA.

Yeah, but you're always a wolf. :)

That said, Jackal's still high on my list of WTF's as well.

[Autumn]

Yeah I thought Lathum's vote odd for the same reason, CW - for a vote that was seemingly burying DT at the time, that's odd reasoning. But maybe he was just in a rush.

Saldana seems a fine candidate for today as well, given how the vote went yesterday. It would be interesting to find out if some of those late votes were saving him.

Also all gloves are off on all you new/returning guys as far as I'm concerned ;-) We had our Christmas miracle.

I'm going to look back over the vote record during the day and see what comes up.

[Lathum]

Hey Autumn, I was in Maine if that buys me any love from you.

[The Jackal]

Because I voted for someone who still hasn't checked in?

[Coffee Warlord]

More when than who. You put in a completely worthless vote late-ish in the day, rather get into the fray. No likey.

[Coffee Warlord]

Which, however, good point. EF, can you / have you buzzed RA?

[Autumn]

Hey Autumn, I was in Maine if that buys me any love from you.

And you didn't stop by ...

[The Jackal]

More when than who. You put in a completely worthless vote late-ish in the day, rather get into the fray. No likey.

I see where you are coming from. I know it was with a little under two hours left but I also saw that very, very few people had voted so I knew there were a ton of votes coming in shortly, and figured steam might gather on a non-check in vote. When it didn't I switched.

[Lathum]

And you didn't stop by ...

We were pretty busy. I'm in Boston now and not getting together with any of the peeps down here either ( don't tell DT)

Are you anywhere near Windham/ Raymond area?

[Autumn]

Oh I'm sure, just kidding - you gotta show the new guy off. I never see 10% of the people I'd like to on trips. We're an hour or two from Windham, near the coast.

Too bad you didn't stop by - I could have checked you for wolf vibes

[PackerFanatic]

It's disappointing that we won't be able to glean much from who voted for DT - although I do agree with the analysis that there is likely one wolf in that group (but that isn't saying a whole lot).

[Passacaglia]

I'm kinda down with an RA vote if he doesn't check in, of course my Day 1 vote makes sense too, since he voted DT. It also might be nice to find out what sal is -- I haven't looked at the Day 1 voting in detail yet, but it might help us to know if we were villager/villager or wolf/villager (however, from what I remember, not much was going on at the end, so I'm skeptical that we'd learn much from that).

[Coffee Warlord]

I hate to say it, it's unfair, but I'm sort of agreeing with Pass - my early inclination is Saldana might be our most useful vote for information gathering today.

I don't like the idea of wasting a day with RA - hoping he comes in or gets replaced.

[Coffee Warlord]

That said, I'm still entertaining the idea of voting Packers or Jackal.

[Passacaglia]

I hate to say it, it's unfair, but I'm sort of agreeing with Pass - my early inclination is Saldana might be our most useful vote for information gathering today.

I don't like the idea of wasting a day with RA - hoping he comes in or gets replaced.

Before that idea gets any votes, could you back that up with the vote history yesterday, and what you think it means if sal is a villager vs. if sal is a wolf?

[thejuggler3]

It might be wasteful to vote off a player if they're just not checking in.

That is assuming that they are not doing it as a strategy, laying low for one reason or another (wolf playing it cool or seer trying not to draw attention). If they're just not involved, I would guess they may just be a vanilla villager... or plain and simply just got held up.

Still not sure who I'm suspicious of, but there were some weird votes yesterday, though maybe it's normal for this board :lol:

[Coffee Warlord]

Before that idea gets any votes, could you back that up with the vote history yesterday, and what you think it means if sal is a villager vs. if sal is a wolf?

One personal assumption I wanna air first.

1) The wolves know we don't want a tie. Someone gets a late-ish lead, as is the case with DT last night, I think people are going to be gun shy about dicking with the vote late.

And you know what? I'm changing my mind. As I was trying to respond to you with logic on voting sal, I realized said logic sucks. :) Unless we got pretty damn lucky, let's just assume we were villager/villager last night. If he is a wolf, this goes out the window, but I think that's pushing the bounds of probability.

If, as is more statistically likely, he's a villager, we learn...the wolves could have dumped votes on either and been fine. The people NOT on either of those two may be more interesting at that point, as there's probably at least one of those wolves who wanted to not get caught up in axing two villagers.
The most sensible thing for the wolves to do last night, in my mind, would be put 1 vote on DT and 1 on Sald. The third (I'm assuming we've got 3 wolves), could go wherever and stay out of it.

Frankly, the more I dwelled on it, *I* can't think of a ton we'd learn if we voted Sal and he turned up villager.

Yay just typing whatever the hell is bouncing around in my head.

[Autumn]

I'm looking back through the voting history when I can - I've only looked at early voting so far. Here are some notes:

Martin sticks his neck out to put a second vote on DT, first second vote, only the third vote. Doesn't make much sense to me for a villager or a wolf. I thought maybe he was Jack and wanting to draw a scan. There goes that theory.

PackerFan votes DV following my reasoning (but no vote from me yet). That struck me and several others as curious - seemed like possibly a wolf glad to start a run on someone who could probably draw a bunch of votes (no shows usually are fairly popular day one targets). PackerFan later backed off but I'm looking at him again today.

Pass votes Chief seemingly because I pointed out I didn't want to vote him day one since he's such a strong villager. I can see Pass's reasoning, but again a wolf would love to get a run started on a villager Chief.

Chief puts a third vote on DT. I'll have to go back and look at his reasoning there. This is as far as I've got so far.

[Chief Rum]

This might be what you're hitting on just now, CW, but I'll follow up with my own logic here.

DT was the first runaway candidate, and then there was a run on saldana. Now, not knowing any allegiances, this has the appearance of wolves fueling a run on saldana in order to save DT (putting aside for the moment that such an obvious move would actually put a pretty big bullseye on the sal voters).

As we now know, though, DT was not a wolf, so the wolves would have had no reason to try to save DT. Therefore, the run on sal to save DT was not wolf-inspired, but likely your run of the mill villagers making it a two horse race vote. Which, really, tells us nothing much about the voters or about sal's allegiance, which is about as likely now to be wolf or villager as it was at the start of the game.

In other words, back to square one--we can still lynch sal, but I don't think it provides us with any more information than we get from lynching some other random player.

[Autumn]

I agree about the reasoning behind the late run on Saldana, Chief, I know the reason I voted him was just to have a viable second candidate and not a landslide.

However, I think we could learn about some of the late votes on DT through Saldana. DT was up I think 3-1 when Lathum and then Juggler added fourth and fifth votes, putting it somewhat out of reach. Were those votes trying to save some other candidate? I'm not sure, I haven't been able to look at late votes closely yet.

[saldana]

Also I thought you were one of the guys that usually shows up right around deadline so I thought that was safe.

actually, this is generally 100% true....damn you Cataclysm!

[Passacaglia]

Heading out to our Christmas party, and in case I forget to pop back in here in the evening, I'll put in a placeholder vote.

VOTE RAIDERS ARMY

Not seeing anything wrong with some push on Chief Rum, but I'd rather get rid of someone who's not playing, so that the people who are playing can hang around longer.

[Autumn]

Notes on later votes:

As noted elsewhere Jackal puts a first vote on RA. I can't complain as I was fishing around for a new candidate as well.

Danny puts a first vote on Saldana (well second but there was an unvote). I then put a first (though I though there was one still) on Darth. So we have three poeple looking for a new candidate at this point. Candidates already on teh block are DT, PF and Chief. The fact that PF was close to the lead at this point has been overlooked.

It's 3-2 DT, PF when Lathum votes DT. I vote Saldana next, trying to add a third viable candidate. Then Juggler comes along and makes it 5-2 DT. If Lathum or Juggler are wolves would seem they were trying to keep the vote away from either PF or Saldana.

DT votes Saldana in self preservation, though he could have gone PackerFan as well.

Jackal also votes Saldana making it 5-4 DT, Saldana. Obviously no one is trying to save DT, so presumably this is just trying to make the vote interesting, though it could be pushing for a tie.

[Autumn]

Given what I've written in my vote summary, PackerFanatic is the one that stands out most to me. He seemed to try to jump on my vote suggestion, and it's possible to read the vote as trying to move votes away from him. He seems as good a candidate as any at this point.

<b>VOTE PACKERFANATIC</b>

[thejuggler3]

Okay, here’s my thoughts from the Day 1 voting. Now that I’ve seen how people work, I think I can contribute a bit more. Not hoping to make any enemies, so I’m casting my net a bit wide when it comes to ideas:
MartinD and ChiefRum were the early stacks on DT. May have just been to get the vote rolling though like MartinD said. I added to that vote as well to be fair.
I was suspicious of Danny trying to talk about me changing my vote, but it turned out DT wasn’t a wolf, so now it is does just comes off as friendly advice to draw out more info on voting. I was also suspicious of Autumn, Jackal, and DT (though it was self-defense) jumping on Sal, but again, with DT not being a wolf, that nixes any obvious hints.
That leaves the odd voting from Packer and Passacaglia (the ChiefRum vote seems a bit too “safe”, but not all that incriminating).
And I’m always suspicious of you, Coffee, hahaha.
I’m guessing wolves did go one for DT, one for Sal to even it out, and one somewhere else. If they didn’t do a random, probably 2 on DT. Hmmmm…
Looking at what I just wrote, I haven’t really added deduced much, so oh well. Would have been much easier if DT had been a wolf.

[EagleFan]

Votes as of post 196:

Raiders Army 1 - Passacaglia (194)
PackerFanatic 1 - Autumn (196)

[DaddyTorgo]

We were pretty busy. I'm in Boston now and not getting together with any of the peeps down here either ( don't tell DT)

Are you anywhere near Windham/ Raymond area?

LMAO

JERK!!!!

VOTE LATHUM

Hey don't forget - if you're driving by the Framingham area that's where my office and my apartment are.

[PackerFanatic]

VOTE AUTUMN

Helping myself out at this point - although if a better candidate comes around, I will gladly move my vote.

My vote yesterday was based simply off the analysis I had seen to that point - I don't know where I would have gone had I made it back on last night, but my eagerness to get a vote in so quick had nothing to do with my being wolf (because I am not one)

[DaddyTorgo]

UNVOTE LATHUM

(just to be clear, that was just a joke vote since he didn't tell me he was in town - of course I didn't tell him when I flew into Seattle for 1 night 2 weeks back).

I like the idea (CW's analysis i think?) of assuming we were villager/neutral last night and looking for the third wolf in the people who stayed away from saldana+me last night.

What's that list look like...hmmm

[DaddyTorgo]

So the list of who people voted for that wasn't saldana or me is below, along with the voters

PackerFanatic 2 - Coffee Warlord (82), Darth Vilus (92)
Chief Rum 1 - Passacaglia (73)

Interesting that CW (I think right?) put forth this line of thought when he's one of the people likely to be looked at via it. That screams un-wolfish to me, so a + for his trust. No such + for Darth...actually that's quite an interesting vote by him, 10 posts later trying to dump a vote on someone. Balanced out a little by how excited he was to see me lynched (un-wolfish to let that show).

Passacaglia is interesting there on Chief Rum.

Looking at all those, I might vote Darth tonight - that's sort of where my thinking is now.

[Autumn]

Did we have any non-votes? Raider's Army obviously. Oh and PackerFan, right?

[Coffee Warlord]

Looking at all those, I might vote Darth tonight - that's sort of where my thinking is now.

As I brought up earlier, his (DV's) posts around the deadline were kinda odd, to say the least.

[DaddyTorgo]

As I brought up earlier, his (DV's) posts around the deadline were kinda odd, to say the least.

Yes - but almost too blatantly odd to be wolfy, which is giving me pause and actually making me look towards Pass as the other person...

[Coffee Warlord]

Danny puts a first vote on Saldana (well second but there was an unvote). I then put a first (though I though there was one still) on Darth. So we have three poeple looking for a new candidate at this point. Candidates already on teh block are DT, PF and Chief. The fact that PF was close to the lead at this point has been overlooked.

Thou hast made an interesting point here.

Though to play Devil's Advocate, 2 votes isn't usually perceived as 'close to the lead' in my mind, even if, in reality, he was close.

[saldana]

first of all, this is awesome that there were actually a full page of posts to go through...this is how WW is supposed to be!

looking at the way the votes for me fell, i can give autumn a bit of a pass...his timing looked like he was just trying to add a second horse to the race. the one that jumps out at me is Darth, so thats where i am going to go today.

vote darth vilius

[DaddyTorgo]

Maybe a Darth vs. Pass vote? Put up two of the folks who didn't vote for saldana or me?

[Autumn]

I can see all the arguments being made. I'm going to stick with my vote for now 'cause it feels solid to me, but I'll always move if it makes sense later.

[thejuggler3]

Hahaha, DV I was about to mention how you "conveniently" left out Coffee, but I think you're a bit above reproach at this point.

The one thing that hasn't been mentioned that I'm curious about is what the wolves got out of last night. EagleFan mentioned that he would PM them with what they gained. We got "Jack" as a straight-up villager (when he could have been a wolf), which is pretty nice. Could they have another wolf? That would be a pretty big bonus for the wolf side, so I'm not sure it's that, but it's got to be something good...

As of right now, I'm not assuming anything in terms of the number of villagers, wolves, etc. That is, unless EagleFan wants to confirm that the number of wolves are the same as the start (crosses fingers).

Just thought I'd throw that out there.

[Coffee Warlord]

Barring some blinding new burst of insight, I'm going to hop on board with Autumn's analysis.

Vote PackersFanatic

[PackerFanatic]

CW is just spiteful ;)

You won't gain anything from lynching me other than a potentially good vote history. I am beginning to think either Autumn or CW is a wolf.

[PackerFanatic]

dola, and that is simply based on their push towards me.

[Autumn]

dola, and that is simply based on their push towards me.

Everybody's got to push somebody, right? I looked through the vote history and picked a target. That's not a wolf move, that's just how to play Werewolf.

What thoughts do you have about where to vote? We're all still waiting for a great candidate I think.

[PackerFanatic]

And with it being day 2 and the fact we targeted a neutral player last night, we aren't a whole lot better off than yesterday - so no, I really don't have a great candidate.

[Coffee Warlord]

dola, and that is simply based on their push towards me.

You would prefer another target? A wolven target? Then name the user!

You gave a slight ding to my radar yesterday. We're too early to have much in the way of majorly strong candidates. Autumn gave a good analysis, and I find myself agreeing with it. Thus. I voted, and I wanted it done early enough to spur some more discussion/activity.

And, well, you're a Packers fan. ;)

[Autumn]

And with it being day 2 and the fact we targeted a neutral player last night, we aren't a whole lot better off than yesterday - so no, I really don't have a great candidate.

Me either! lol

[PackerFanatic]

And, well, you're a Packers fan. ;)

Gah, that will always be your reason to vote for me, won't it?! :-P

[Coffee Warlord]

Gah, that will always be your reason to vote for me, won't it?! :-P

Honestly, do I *need* another reason aside from that? :D

[PackerFanatic]

Honestly, do I *need* another reason aside from that? :D

Whatever, Bears Fan ;)

*NOTE: I assume that merely because you live in Chicago. I mean, the fact you live there is bad enough... ;)*

[Lathum]

I am going to wait closer to the deadline so I can make a completely uneducated potentialy deciding vote.

[Autumn]

lol Lathum

[PackerFanatic]

UNVOTE AUTUMN

I want to try and make a more educated vote myself - although at this point, I think we can get much more educated. Either way, I don't want to go for revenge just because Autumn started the run on me - I'd rather put the vote to good use and go after a wolf - since, you know, I am not one.

[PackerFanatic]

Right now the vote looks pretty close, from my quick scan...

Raiders Army 1 - Passacaglia (194)
PackerFanatic 2 - Autumn (196), Coffee Warload (211)
Darth Vilus 1 - Saldana (207)

[PackerFanatic]

Maybe a Darth vs. Pass vote? Put up two of the folks who didn't vote for saldana or me?

Looking back, this doesn't seem like a bad option. We can't put too much stock in the voters for either of those two, but it's definitely a place to start. Since Darth has a vote already, I might as well tie it up.

I WILL move my vote to take one for the team if it stays as a tie. I'd rather help the cause and take the fall than see a tie and screw us over even more.

VOTE DARTH VILUS

[MartinD]

A few thoughts - just 'thinking out loud' so these may or may not be sensible...

The wolves wouldn't have known that DT was Jack - in their eyes, he would have been just another villager (with a small chance of being Jack).

Unless something very strange is going on behind the scenes, DT is now a definite villager. (Pointing out the obvious, I know...)

saldana would be an obvious candidate for today's vote, but I'm not sure what we gain with a lynch here (as opposed to lynching A. N. Other) - don't think that The Jackal's late vote would give any indication of wolfishness (as it made things closer, but was far enough out from deadline for changes to happen). DT's vote was attempted self-preservation, and we've been told that he's now a villager, so no value in looking in that direction at this point.

The votes for the 'other' candidates all came fairly early (all before post 100) - don't know who was around and when (particularly as I'm not going to be online from at least 4 hours before deadline!) - don't know if this is particularly meaningful, as the votes hadn't coalesced by that point.

CR's vote for DT (third vote when no-one else had more than 1) looks a little strange to me - it was a case of needing to vote early, though, and I've been in that position plenty of times in the past, and those votes can look a bit strange by the time the deadline comes round.

I don't have any major suspicions about anyone at this point - will have look at recent posts, and post a vote shortly.

[MartinD]

So, three people with votes at this point - as I said in my previous post, I don't have much in the way of trust/suspicion at the moment, so my initial thought is that there's not much value in going outside of these three...

There isn't much to go on, so I'll go with the one who made the slightly strange vote on day 1 - looking back, PF's vote (and reason) for voting for DV does feel a little off.

VOTE PACKERFANATIC

[saldana]

I am going to wait closer to the deadline so I can make a completely uneducated potentialy deciding vote.

as opposed to when you vote early....how.....?

[Chief Rum]

I have always been accepting of the likelihood wolves will spread their votes a bit, so the concept that at least one wolf is likely to have voted outside of the sal-DT showdown yesterday appeals to me.

In a DV vs Pass matchup, I am undecided what way to go, but I would guess at this time I am leaning slightly toward DV.

[saldana]

Hahaha, DV I was about to mention how you "conveniently" left out Coffee, but I think you're a bit above reproach at this point.



what exactly about CW has rendered him "above reproach" at this point?

the only person above reproach is DT.

also, i am about 2 seconds from changing my vote...something just jumped clean off the screen at me, but i want to ponder it while slaughtering some elementals for a while.

[Coffee Warlord]

also, i am about 2 seconds from changing my vote...something just jumped clean off the screen at me, but i want to ponder it while slaughtering some elementals for a while.

If it's who I'm thinking of, I'll be very interested, and may wish to purchase your newsletter.

[thejuggler3]

I was saying that DT is above reporach. I was going to call DT out for excluding Coffee while mentioning the other two that voted random (as in, maybe DT and Coffee were wolves, and DT was protecting him.) Then I remembered that DT was definitely a vanilla villager. I never trust CW.

I know him IRL, and he's twice as sneaky there, hahaha.

what exactly about CW has rendered him "above reproach" at this point?

the only person above reproach is DT.

also, i am about 2 seconds from changing my vote...something just jumped clean off the screen at me, but i want to ponder it while slaughtering some elementals for a while.

[Autumn]

I'm going to go to dinner in a moment. I've got the kids myself tonight, so I expect I'll be gone for a number of hours. I can't imagine I wouldn't be back by deadline but it might be fairly close. I don't see any reason to move my vote at this point, PackerFan still seems a solid guess. But I'll move when I get back if it makes sense.

[EagleFan]

Votes as of post 233:

PackerFanatic 3 - Autumn (196), Coffee Warlord (211), MartinD (227)
Darth Vilus 2 - saldana (207), PackerFanatic (225)
Raiders Army 1 - Passacaglia (194)

[thejuggler3]

I've had my vote thought out for several hours now, but I'm curious to see where this is going, so still holding off :)

[DaddyTorgo]

I'll be voting either Pass or DV. In fact, for the moment (will be home well before deadline), just to get things moving...

VOTE PASSACAGLIA

[Chief Rum]

I have always been accepting of the likelihood wolves will spread their votes a bit, so the concept that at least one wolf is likely to have voted outside of the sal-DT showdown yesterday appeals to me.

In a DV vs Pass matchup, I am undecided what way to go, but I would guess at this time I am leaning slightly toward DV.

Putting aside for the moment that I'm not yet ready to run PF out, that puts me back to the above, which I more or less stole from DT, the lone known villager at the moment (but also with a point I agree with).

I disagree with his decision to vote for Pass, though, purely on vibe. Despite the fact Pass has voted for me, I'm just not reading a wolf from him right now. I am getting that sense stronger from DV's play so far. Also, Pass is a new candidate while DV already has votes. So I'm going with DV.

VOTE DARTH VILUS

[Danny]

Vote Saldana

I still think he is a solid vote here and this would tell us about day 1's vote.

[Darth Vilus]

So Lord Vilus is a candidate today is he? Well I'll have to see what I can do about this.

Using Autumn's list, I am going to pull from his "people to choose from" list. I don't want to pile on DT too heavily, so I will throw the vote elsewhere, get one more option in there.

VOTE DARTH VILUS

This is why i voted for Packers yesterday. he picked from someone else's list, tried to justify a vote, and added an extra candidate to the mix. This just seems wolfish to me, trying to play it a little too safe. I usuallt try to do that when I'm a wolf.

Today i was either going to vote Packers or Jackal (don't get a good vibe from him either) but since I'm a candidate I'll have to go to self preservation.

So

Vote Pass

Unless anyone is willing to go after Packers or Jack

[Darth Vilus]

Oh i forgot to mention as well, i wasn't gleeful that DT was going to die. I was just amused that he was so far out in the lead and was trying to save himself with a reveal so early in the game. I just thought he was desperate, there is no way that i would have bet on him telling the truth. It just looked like he couldn't be saved

[Darth Vilus]

Unvote Pass

Vote Packers

I made a mistake, read it wrong

[thejuggler3]

Damn it! I was either going Packer or Pass. Those were the two I've been mulling over today due to their curious play up until now.

I assumed I would just go Packer since Pass didn't have any votes, but now that it's close, it makes it harder to decide. I don't really get the wolfy vibe from DV's play so far, but maybe I'm missing something.

Since I trust DT more than anyone else, I'm going to go with Pass for now. I at least know (unless something is going on behind the scenes) that he's out for the villagers' best interest. However, I'll switch over to Packer if it looks like we're going to run into a tie.

Vote Pass

[The Jackal]

How is it looking now?

[The Jackal]

I'm preoccupied with this hockey game

[Darth Vilus]

Who's playing?

[The Jackal]

Flyers v Penguins

[saldana]

unvote darth
vote packerfan

not a big fan of the fact that for the second day in a row, he has stacked on my vote...i know i am a villager, so what that means to me is that DV is a villager, he knows it, and wanted to get a run on a villager and make me look bad at the same time for being the first vote.

[Coffee Warlord]

Packers 5
DV 2
Raiders 1
pass 2
sald 1

I THINK this is right.

[PackerFanatic]

Arg...

[PackerFanatic]

I don't like to vote outside of the current line of thinking typically, so as not to spread the vote to thin. But I also draw far too much suspicion when I vote along the lines of others. Damned if you do, damned if you don't, right?