WW CXLIV: Monty Python and the Holy Werewolf: GAME OVER (Result in Post 414)

[Zinto]

I debated on ntn and came to the same conclusion. I feel like we are at the point that we are not getting a serious second candidate. It would be too much to do in the last tenish minutes.

[The Jackal]

I think the voting of ntn day one calmed down, it was all "UTR" but he has been making more posts. I didn't do it for UTR reasons - his post just rubbed me wrong the most of any posts I read

[JAG]

Day 2 voting as of post 251:

5 Chief Rum: Autumn (160), DV (176), henry296 (209), ntndeacon (213), bhlloy (226)
2 Autumn: mauboy1 (206), Chief Rum (220)
2 The Jackal: Danny (158), Zinto (246)
1 Danny: CW (185)
1 ntndeacon: The Jackal (150)

[Autumn]

Just trying to understand the case. I'll just be sticking with Chief. I would expect more protest at this point from a wolf, probably, but it's a little late to lurch after someone else.

[Danny]

We could get Jackal in there if at least one person switches from CR. Again I really really dont think CR is a wolf

[Danny]

Unvote Jackal
Vote Autumn

[Autumn]

I'm wary of a tie.

[bhlloy]

I could be persuaded to look at Jackal instead of CR

[bhlloy]

Not any more

[Danny]

My gut tells me Autumn is lying about his role. THe preemptive reveal is exactly the type of move I would make as a wolf and I think he is nervous about getting lynched which is why he is not willing to switch.

[Autumn]

If I move over it's 4-3 and then if someone moves from me or elsewhere it's tied up. If someone else wants to commit to a move ...

[bhlloy]

And yeah Danny, that's a questionable move. Not sure I like opening it up to a tie that late on. Even if a tie can result in a wolf lynch.

[Autumn]

Or danny could do htat, lol

[Danny]

bhlloy then switch. People need to take action and not dance around the choice.

[Zinto]

I agree that we should not tie the vote.

[Danny]

I will switch back if you guys make the move.

[Danny]

I am not going to vote CR though.

[henry296]

Autumn,

I'll move with you to Jackal.

[Autumn]

It's 5-2, Danny. Or it was. Switching, by myself, is not helping the situation unless other people are planning on moving.

[JAG]

Day 2 voting as of post 267:

5 Chief Rum: Autumn (160), DV (176), henry296 (209), ntndeacon (213), bhlloy (226)
3 Autumn: mauboy1 (206), Chief Rum (220), Danny (256)
1 The Jackal: Zinto (246)
1 Danny: CW (185)
1 ntndeacon: The Jackal (150)

[Autumn]

<b>unvote chief rum
vote jackal</b>

[Danny]

Unvote Autumn
Vote Jackal

[bhlloy]

I'll go for it

Unvote CR
Vote Jackal

[Autumn]

how's that

I guess I trust danny's villager instincts more than I expect danny the wolf to save chief the wolf this way.

[The Jackal]

*runs away*

[Danny]

We are now 4-3 for Jackal.

[The Jackal]

Way to blow up my carefully crafted plan, jerks!

[Danny]

how's that

I guess I trust danny's villager instincts more than I expect danny the wolf to save chief the wolf this way.

Especially after I tied Chief up late on day one.

[Coffee Warlord]

Fuck.

Unvote Danny
Vote Jackal

[JAG]

Day 2 voting as of post 279:

5 The Jackal: Zinto (246), Autumn (271), Danny (272), bhlloy (273), Coffee Warlord (279)
3 Chief Rum: DV (176), henry296 (209), ntndeacon (213)
3 Autumn: mauboy1 (206), Chief Rum (220), Danny (256)
1 ntndeacon: The Jackal (150)

[Danny]

Though my villager instincts could be a little rusty from the layoff (hopefully not lol)

[The Jackal]

Well, you'll SEE what I was hoping for in a minute, but my death helps more than hurts, even if I'm not a wolf.

[bhlloy]

If nothing else this will make JAG do a new write up at short notice, lol

[henry296]

unvote CR
vote jackal

[Autumn]

Especially after I tied Chief up late on day one.

Well, I retain only 15 minutes of data at any one time, so that was not in my analysis.

[JAG]

If nothing else this will make JAG do a new write up at short notice, lol

Bloody hell...

[JAG]

Deadline

[Autumn]

If nothing else this will make JAG do a new write up at short notice, lol

I hate when players do that when I moderate. I think in the last Batman game there was some huge death scene I was writing up and then everybody changed at the last second. BAstards.

[Coffee Warlord]

Well, depending on how this pans out, shit just got real.

[Danny]

Well Jackal is either lying and a wolf or telling the truth and his death is still helpful for us.

[The Jackal]

I fart in your general direction, all of you.

[JAG]

Final Day 2 voting:

6 The Jackal: Zinto (246), Autumn (271), Danny (272), bhlloy (273), Coffee Warlord (279), henry296 (284)
2 Autumn: mauboy1 (206), Chief Rum (220)
2 Chief Rum: DV (176), ntndeacon (213)
1 ntndeacon: The Jackal (150)

[henry296]

I had that right after I said I would do it but the quick reply didn't take and went to do something else.

[Autumn]

you've got Danny on me still, JAG, jsut for posterity's sake.

[Danny]

Its my secret ability, I get an auto Autumn vote everyday regardless if I am actually on you.

[Autumn]

It sure feels that way ;-) It's not Werewolf if I haven't had a vote from CF and Danny.

[JAG]

It was all so nice and neat. You had Chief Rum ready to be strung up, but at the end an angry mob points at Jackal instead. "He's a witch! Burn him!" Before you can either hang him or burn him, he breaks free from the mob and sprints towards the forest, with minstrels blaring the way. "Brave Sir Robin ran away, bravely ran away away." The melodious music is interrupted by the sound of a tree falling on a hapless knight and you strong suspect the life of Brave Sir Robin has been snuffed out.

The Jackal was Brave Sir Robin.

[JAG]

Night actions processing now, will return with the conclusion of day 2 in a bit.

[Autumn]

Hah, that was not what I thought Jackal meant.

I guess I see what he did mean though, doesn't hurt our ratio. But we do lose a villager vote and voice, so still not a good way to go.

[Coffee Warlord]

When lynch mobs reared their ugly heads, he bravely turned his tail and fled, brave brave brave brave Sir Robin!

[Danny]

Well, that doesn't hurt too much I guess, but disappointing still.

[Danny]

For what it's worth though, I think this makes it more likely Autumn is lying. His and Jackal's role seem like the two most likely not in the game.

[Autumn]

Here's what I'm hoping: that Chief is not a bad guy, as they would be laughing their asses off at us right now; that there is a seer; and that they scan Chief as it would be counterproductive to go after him again I think. If it turns out in the end that Danny and Chief are wolves, that would be pretty impressive on their part.

[Danny]

Only three unconfirmed villager roles now. Sir Galadad, seer and Autumn's claimed role. Since I still feel certain there is a seer, there is probably at best a 50% chance Autumn's role is in the game (as both may not be). I am liking an Autumn vote now if he wasnt scanned.

[Autumn]

I don't think there's really any reason for me to pretend to be Herbert. It's not any better an assertion than being a vanilla villager, has no use to the village, cannot be proven. I wasn't even in the lead - I actually thought it was just better for people to know that they weren't going to catch an important role by accident.

[JAG]

You hearts heavy with the death of a comrade (well, to some of you), you set up camp outside of a castle. In the middle of the night, you hear the sound of an enormous wooden rabbit being flung through the air and landing on the ground with a crash. The next morning, you find the rabbit crushed Danny as he slept. At least he died in his sleep peacefully. Above you, the clouds rip open and you see an enormous face looking down on you with displeasure.

Danny was part of an autonomous collective.

Day 3 now begins.

[bhlloy]

Well, there we go. We are not doing very well here are we

[Danny]

Good luck village

[Autumn]

Well, it just backs up why from the beginning I've suspected that either the Galahad trio or the seer is not in the game.

[Autumn]

Here's hoping the seer is! We need some help.

[Coffee Warlord]

Hmm. Danny, huh. Not a bad choice, but I woulda gone with Chief Rum, if he isn't a wolf.

[The Jackal]

Good luck village

:withstupid:

[Autumn]

That at least makes me feel good that Danny wasn't a wolf trying to save a wolf Chief. Now, could be that some of us who moved were wolves, taking advantage, but seems less likely.

[Coffee Warlord]

Without looking at the votes yet, I'm suspecting we saved one villager and offed another. That last second rapid action vote change doesn't feel all that wolf driven.

[Autumn]

Day Two

jackal votes ntn
1
danny votes jackal
1-1
autumn votes chief
1-1-1
darth votes chief
2-1-1
coffee votes danny
2-1-1-1
zinto votes autumn
2-1-1-1-1
mauboy votes autumn
2-2-1-1-1
henry votes chief
3-2-1-1-1
ntn votes chief
4-2-1-1-1
chief votes autumn
4-3-1-1-1
bhlloy votes chief
5-3-1-1-1
zinto unvotes autumn
5-2-1-1-1
zinto votes jackal
5-2-2-1-1
danny unvotes jackal
5-2-1-1-1
danny votes autumn
5-3-1-1-1
autumn unvotes chief
4-3-1-1-1
autumn votes jackal
4-3-2-1-1
danny unvotes autumn
4-2-2-1-1
danny votes jackal
4-3-2-1-1
bhlloy unvotes chief
3-3-2-1-1
bllloy votes jackal
4-3-2-1-1
coffee unvotes danny
4-3-2-1
coffee votes jackal
5-3-2-1
henry unvotes chief
5-2-2-1
henry votes jackal
6-2-2-1

[Coffee Warlord]

Day 1, with known villager votes removed.

6 mckerney: ntndeacon (77), henry296 (97), Zinto (106), mauboy1 (114), Coffee Warlord (117)
4 Chief Rum: Darth Vilus (82) Autumn (99)
2 CrimsonFox: bhlloy (70) Chief Rum (88)
1 ntndeacon:

That puts 5 unaccounted for on McKerney, a known, and 2 on Chief Rum, an unknown.

[Coffee Warlord]

IF, for a moment, we take Autumn at face value, that leaves DV on an island on Chief Rum.

Which, if we're assuming Chief is also kosher, makes things interesting. Actually, regardless, I find it hard to believe there wouldn't be at least one wolf on the second place vote getter.

And to edit again, because it's fun to do it in a WW game, I'm forgetting there are most likely only 2 wolves. But the point is still mostly valid.

[Autumn]

Day One

jackal votes mckerney
1
zinto votes jackal
1-1
CW votes CF
1-1-1
CF votes chief
1-1-1-1
autumn votes bhlloy
1-1-1-1-1
bhlloy votes cf
2-1-1-1-1
ntn votes mckerney
2-2-1-1-1
mckerney votes ntn
2-2-1-1-1-1
darth votes chief rum
2-2-2-1-1-1
chief votes cF
3-2-2-1-1-1
danny votes jackal
3-2-2-2-1-1
henry votes mckerney
3-3-2-2-1-1
autumn unvotes bhlloy
3-3-2-2-1
autumn votes chief
3-3-3-2-1
zinto unvotes jackal
3-3-3-1-1
zinto votes mckerney
4-3-3-1-1
danny unvotes jackal
4-3-3-1
danny votes chief
4-4-3-1
mauboy votes mckerney
5-4-3-1
coffee unvotes cf
5-4-2-1
coffee votes mckerney
6-4-2-1

[henry296]

I'm starting to get a bad feeling about the seer now since I'm fairly confident Galahad is in the game. Which probably means either Autmn fake revelaed or no seer.

[JAG]

Also, let me know what you'd like to do about weekend play. I know it's usually dead here then, but I will be probably be around if you want me to run something for Saturday or Sunday at 10pm EST.

[Autumn]

I think I will be pretty much absent this weekend. Well, it depends on some work things, but probably absent until Monday.

[Chief Rum]

I see you all realized that with how much I stink in life, I can only smell worse in death.

That said, I really wish we would have had a wolf killed somewhere in there.

[Darth Vilus]

AT least Robin didn't count towards villagers for a win condition. That was the best non wolf vote out there i guess

And we only lost a peasant in Danny, coulda been a worse day

[Darth Vilus]

Though it could have been a hell of a lot better one too

[Darth Vilus]

I've got a couple people I'd like to see up tomorrow, just gonna go back and look through some stuff. I'll still probably vote Rum though

[CrimsonFox]

I bet you're gay!

[CrimsonFox]

HAPPY BIRTHDAY JACKAL! This must be why they lynched you!

[Coffee Warlord]

As far as weekends go, it's a crapshoot for me. I'd prefer going on hold.

[Autumn]

Day One

jackal votes mckerney
1
zinto votes jackal
1-1
CW votes CF
1-1-1
CF votes chief
1-1-1-1
autumn votes bhlloy
1-1-1-1-1
bhlloy votes cf
2-1-1-1-1
ntn votes mckerney
2-2-1-1-1
mckerney votes ntn
2-2-1-1-1-1
darth votes chief rum
2-2-2-1-1-1
chief votes cF
3-2-2-1-1-1
danny votes jackal
3-2-2-2-1-1
henry votes mckerney
3-3-2-2-1-1
autumn unvotes bhlloy
3-3-2-2-1
autumn votes chief
3-3-3-2-1
zinto unvotes jackal
3-3-3-1-1
zinto votes mckerney
4-3-3-1-1
danny unvotes jackal
4-3-3-1
danny votes chief
4-4-3-1
mauboy votes mckerney
5-4-3-1
coffee unvotes cf
5-4-2-1
coffee votes mckerney
6-4-2-1

Day One voting analysis:

Going through the voting from early to late ... Zinto and CW's early votes are neutral. I think this is actaully a point in my favor, as when I voted there were 3-4 villagers available to piggyback on but I added another candidate. Bhlloy and NTN make the first second votes, on villagers. This could be of interest if Chief proved to be bad. Bhlloy might just be making a self defense vote though.

Darth hast he second vote on Chief, agian wiht lots of candidates, so important to know if Chief is bad. Henry's vote on mckerney makes sense to me, too early to put CF ahead, but still helping consolidate. He chose Mckerney over Chief though, another key point. I put Chief into a tie with the two others, rather than put CF or Mckerney ahead, I think another point in my favor given those were two villagers. Zinto, Mauboy and CW all move to Mckerney rather than Chief, Danny votes Chief.

Basically not much to gather there without knowing about Chief. Next I'll take a look at Day 2

[Autumn]

Day Two

jackal votes ntn
1
danny votes jackal
1-1
autumn votes chief
1-1-1
darth votes chief
2-1-1
coffee votes danny
2-1-1-1
zinto votes autumn
2-1-1-1-1
mauboy votes autumn
2-2-1-1-1
henry votes chief
3-2-1-1-1
ntn votes chief
4-2-1-1-1
chief votes autumn
4-3-1-1-1
bhlloy votes chief
5-3-1-1-1
zinto unvotes autumn
5-2-1-1-1
zinto votes jackal
5-2-2-1-1
danny unvotes jackal
5-2-1-1-1
danny votes autumn
5-3-1-1-1
autumn unvotes chief
4-3-1-1-1
autumn votes jackal
4-3-2-1-1
danny unvotes autumn
4-2-2-1-1
danny votes jackal
4-3-2-1-1
bhlloy unvotes chief
3-3-2-1-1
bllloy votes jackal
4-3-2-1-1
coffee unvotes danny
4-3-2-1
coffee votes jackal
5-3-2-1
henry unvotes chief
5-2-2-1
henry votes jackal
6-2-2-1

Day 2 analysis.

Kind of a mess early on. When Zinto votes me, we have 5 candidates, two are known villagers. Chief gets up to 5 votes, and I get up to 3 with Chief's self-defense vote, before anyone votes another known villager. I can see more now Danny's point about Jackal, as he seemed a safe target for wolves this whole time. This makes me actually feel good about Chief, as it has the look of a villager runoff.

If Chief was bad, then my early vote, followed by Darth's and Henry's votes look good, piled on later by NTN and Bhlloy. Coffee, Zinto and Mauboy go elsewhere with votes when Chief takes an early lead. Zinto then begins the late move to Jackal. If Chief is bad, those who seemed reluctant to move to him late include Zinto, Danny of course, and Coffee.

If Chief is good then we're just not going to learn much from these two days. I know I'm good, and in addition think the voting record looks pretty good for me. I think we're going to have to either go after Chief, or look at posts.

[Coffee Warlord]

Just got out of a meeting, but I'm thinking the best move is to look between DV, CR, and Autumn.

As noted in my post last night, those are the 3 unaccounted for specimens from the 2nd place day 1 voting block.

If Chief is good, I would say there's a high chance either DV or Autumn is a wolf.

If Chief is a wolf, that opens up a bigger can of worms than I have time to get into right this second, BUT I think that would actually greatly clear DV and Autumn. With, as I'm assuming, only two wolves to begin the game, I would find it unlikely that 1 wolf is voting for another.

[bhlloy]

I think I like Autumn the best out of the three. I'm pretty solid on CR being villager after Danny showed up good, and I haven't seen too many Wolfe signs out of DV

Henry and mauboy are playing interesting games to me. I could see there being a wolf in there somewhere as well. Henry's last minute pointless vote yesterday pings the hell out of me, a wolf doing what he's told and getting the timing all wrong or just a villager trying to make his vote meaningful

[bhlloy]

I'm actually going to start here. He's skated so far without a vote I believe and want to hear more about his game so far

Vote henry

[Autumn]

My biggest question mark about Chief, is Danny dying last night. With that last minute movement, Danny and Chief would have been suspect today. Did Danny get killed to make Chief look better? That's one paranoid theory. I've tried reading back through people's posts and nothing is jumping out at me yet.

I've got to go for a bit, I've got family showing up. I"ll try to dig again later this afternoon or see if anyone else dug anythingup.

[bhlloy]

My biggest question mark about Chief, is Danny dying last night. With that last minute movement, Danny and Chief would have been suspect today. Did Danny get killed to make Chief look better? That's one paranoid theory. I've tried reading back through people's posts and nothing is jumping out at me yet.

I've got to go for a bit, I've got family showing up. I"ll try to dig again later this afternoon or see if anyone else dug anythingup.


That s a definite possibility, although I do wonder whether it would have been possible for the wolves to talk that over and get the order out in those last 5-10 mins of chaos. I think it's more likely that CR is villager and Danny was killed for being Danny

[JAG]

Day 3 voting as of post 335:


Wait for it....


1 henry296 - bhlloy (333)

[bhlloy]

Cool, I win the game

[CrimsonFox]

Cool, I win the game

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[Autumn]

Well, I'm not having as much time as I thought I would have, with our visitors. For the moment I'm going to put a vote out on the only guy I've got, just in case I can't get back here. I hope to though.

<b>vote chief rum</b>

[Coffee Warlord]

Seeing as I'd like to go drinking tonight, it's time for me to put down a vote.

I'm gonna stick with my theory of CR being good. Which leads me to my earlier assumption that DV or Autumn is not. I can argue either way with Autumn, but I'm remembering that Danny was sort of bagging on Autumn yesterday. And guess who dies? Danny. Sounds like an easy way for the wolves to try and drum up suspicion on an innocent.

Leaving me with this shot in the almost but not quite fully dark:

Vote Darth Vilus

[Chief Rum]

I don't know if I will be available later, so I will put in a vote now.

Now that CW has put in a vote on DV, it seems like a wise spot for me to put mine, since he has been pinging me with his leaps to my guilt. He has been either among the first voters on me or the first to say he suspects me each day, and since I am a villager, I find this tunnel vision rather suspicious.

VOTE DARTH VILUS

[Darth Vilus]

I don't know if I will be available later, so I will put in a vote now.

Now that CW has put in a vote on DV, it seems like a wise spot for me to put mine, since he has been pinging me with his leaps to my guilt. He has been either among the first voters on me or the first to say he suspects me each day, and since I am a villager, I find this tunnel vision rather suspicious.

VOTE DARTH VILUS

Seeing as I'd like to go drinking tonight, it's time for me to put down a vote.

I'm gonna stick with my theory of CR being good. Which leads me to my earlier assumption that DV or Autumn is not. I can argue either way with Autumn, but I'm remembering that Danny was sort of bagging on Autumn yesterday. And guess who dies? Danny. Sounds like an easy way for the wolves to try and drum up suspicion on an innocent.

Leaving me with this shot in the almost but not quite fully dark:

Vote Darth Vilus

Haha this is too funny, I was actually gonna bring up Coffee as a candidate today, and I've been after Chief for 2 days already. I honestly have no clue on Autumn, havent got the read of him yet. I forgot the differences between his villager play and his wolf play

[Darth Vilus]

Vote Chief Rum

If people are thinking about me and Chief then this is the best way to go. Lemme explain

[Darth Vilus]

If Chief comes up a wolf then you can pretty much see that I'm a peasant, what wolf would vote for one of his brothers 3 days in a row?

If he comes up good then admittedly it looks pretty bad for me, but then at least alot of the confusion will be gone

[Darth Vilus]

Oh and for my case, wold a wolf really harp on one player so much? Or would they try to bury their votes in with the masses and try to go undetected?

I just think that eliminating Chief will clear up alot of this confusion we all have.

[Darth Vilus]

My browser will be open but I'll only check back from time to time because i am a little busy today. If anyoe wants to discuss options i'll be here. And I should be around near deadline as well

[Zinto]

Well I still want to vote for Autumn but I am afraid to get blinders on. I'm willing to talk about other candidates I just need to go back and reread everything.

[JAG]

Day 3 voting as of post 347:
2 Chief Rum - Autumn (339), Darth Vilus (343)
2 Darth Vilus - Coffee Warlord (340), Chief Rum (341)
1 henry296 - bhlloy (333)

[Zinto]

Before I do so I have to wonder if Autumn is not a wolf why haven't any jump on him since he probably is an easy vote if he is a villager at this point. That alone makes me want to vote for him.

[Autumn]

I think the answer there is that I'm not an easy vote. If no one's voted me, why would a wolf? There are three candidates, and I don't presume we're lucky enough to have two wolves in there. I actually think my record is pretty good, so I don't think I'm a great candidate for villagers or wolves.

[Zinto]

So why did we have a vote on Henry and what are the other reasons people are voting DV?

[Zinto]

I still am sticking to my guns and not voting for Chief so I am wondering what others are thinking and I left this post for ten minutes without posting it.

[henry296]

Sorry for note being around during the day. I almost posted during lunch but pulled back into work. At least I didn't miss much.

To me it is between Chief Rum or Autumn.

The case for Chief Rum is that he has been on the block the last two days and survived. Therefore, it will shed more light on what happened even if it might case suspcions on me.

For Autumn, it comes down to his reveal. I'm having a hard time believe that all of the villager / neutral roles are in the game, so if he is telling the truth, it means no seer or no Galahad/Zoot/Dingo. I believe that we have the later group and a seer to try to scan Dingo.

vote Autumn

[Zinto]

As I read back I forgot Autumn revealed.

[Zinto]

I would like to vote ntn as well since he is too quiet and it is day three so I won't feel bad plus he has less posts than mckerney right now.

[Autumn]

I think the vote on Henry was because of his last minute pile-on last night. Darth, because he was one of hte only voters on Chief Rum left?

[Zinto]

I think I am going to place my vote on ntn. I will leave Autumn alone for a night. I am wondering where everyone else is today since we are looking at another crazy deadline.

Vote ntn

[ntndeacon]

My thoughts are to put to rest the miraculous save Chief Rum got yesterday. So I have to find out where he lies.

Vote Chief Rum

[JAG]

Day 3 voting as of post 358:
3 Chief Rum - Autumn (339), Darth Vilus (343), ntndeacon (358)
2 Darth Vilus - Coffee Warlord (340), Chief Rum (341)
1 Autumn - henry296 (353)
1 henry296 - bhlloy (333)
1 ntndeacon - Zinto (357)

[Darth Vilus]

5 candidates? Really, 5 candidates? wow we're a united bunch we are

[mauchow]

Not sure where I want to go tonight - I'd go to Autumn again because that's where I was yesterday but I don't want to create a third candidate; but I guess that wouldn't be the end of the world either. But at the same time in the back of my mind Autumn's reveal just sits there. I honestly thought it was an unnecessary reveal because he was not leading and also because according to the rules, the wolves know one role that is not in the game. That's an ass kicker to us. How long are we going to trust him before going after him?

I guess we just have to hope the seer is in the game and that Autumn's been scanned so we know once and for all. To that point, I remember earlier people were talking about the possible combinations being in the game. If there is a seer, is it likely/unlikely that Prince Herbert is in the game? Meaning, if the seer is in the game would there be reason that Herbert wouldn't be?....so we'd know he was a wolf or not without wasting a scan on him?

Just trying to think out loud a little.

[bhlloy]

I'll consolidate a bit. Sorry CR, I think there's a decent chance you are a villager but I don't see DV as a wolf either and this will tell us something about the first two days

Vote Chief Rum

[bhlloy]

Sorry, my bad

unvote henry
vote chief rum

[bhlloy]

I think the vote on Henry was because of his last minute pile-on last night. Darth, because he was one of hte only voters on Chief Rum left?

yeah I had a vote on henry because a) his last minute pile on for no reason and b) he's been quiet and hasn't got any votes so far and I wanted to try and get some movement

as you can see, that didn't go anywhere so I'm pulling it back off

[mauchow]

Do we need to read into CR's lack of a fight towards the end here?

[henry296]

Not sure where I want to go tonight - I'd go to Autumn again because that's where I was yesterday but I don't want to create a third candidate; but I guess that wouldn't be the end of the world either. But at the same time in the back of my mind Autumn's reveal just sits there. I honestly thought it was an unnecessary reveal because he was not leading and also because according to the rules, the wolves know one role that is not in the game. That's an ass kicker to us. How long are we going to trust him before going after him?

I guess we just have to hope the seer is in the game and that Autumn's been scanned so we know once and for all. To that point, I remember earlier people were talking about the possible combinations being in the game. If there is a seer, is it likely/unlikely that Prince Herbert is in the game? Meaning, if the seer is in the game would there be reason that Herbert wouldn't be?....so we'd know he was a wolf or not without wasting a scan on him?

Just trying to think out loud a little.

Right now there are just two un-verified villager roles the seer and Pince Herbert. If ther seer is in the game then all villager roles are in the game which feels a bit unlikely.

[henry296]

Do we need to read into CR's lack of a fight towards the end here?

That was one of the reasons I was willing to move off him last night.

[JAG]

Day 3 voting as of post 367:
4 Chief Rum - Autumn (339), Darth Vilus (343), ntndeacon (358), bhlloy (363)
2 Darth Vilus - Coffee Warlord (340), Chief Rum (341)
1 Autumn - henry296 (353)
1 ntndeacon - Zinto (357)

Will be on and off until deadline

[mauchow]

I'm not getting any feeling on DV at all so I'm not going to go there. For Autumn yesterday the reveal will just have to be good enough for me for now.

I'm going to follow Zinto on this one rather than pile on CR. I think I followed him yesterday, too. Whatever.

vote ntn

[Autumn]

I think it's good to lay this Chief thing to rest. If he's bad I think we'll be able to ferret out the other wolf/wolves. If he's good it will clear a few people too.

[JAG]

Deadline.

[JAG]

Final Day 3 voting:

4 Chief Rum - Autumn (339), Darth Vilus (343), ntndeacon (358), bhlloy (363)
2 Darth Vilus - Coffee Warlord (340), Chief Rum (341)
2 ntndeacon - Zinto (357), mauboy1 (369)
1 Autumn - henry296 (353)

[JAG]

For days, Chief Rum has protested that he is simply a member of an autonomous collective. Yet every day he has attracted more and more suspicion. Today it comes to a head as he is trying to explain how his collective functions: "Look, all decisions of the executive officer have to be ratified at a special biweekly meeting by simple majority in the case of purely internal affairs..." It's too much for you. You all rush him, yelling at him to be quiet and putting him down with a series of blows. After his death, you're able to more closely examine his clothes and stench and you realize he had been telling you the truth all along.

Chief Rum was part of an autonomous collective.

Will be back shortly with the final part of Day 3.

[Coffee Warlord]

Le sigh.

[JAG]

Suddenly a police car pulls up. "We have an arrest warrant for a King Arthur. Please come with us sir." Zinto protests that they have the wrong man, but it does no good. He is loaded into the car and taken away.

Zinto was King Arthur

Day 4 now begins. Deadline is Monday at 10pm EST.

[mauchow]

We are eff'd if there are three wolves remaining.

[Coffee Warlord]

Knights! Problem solved.

Sir Bedevere the Wise, Sir Bedevere the All Knowing has studied Darth Vilus, and found him to be a witch. BURN HIM! BURN HIM!

Day 1 was NTN. Good.
Day 2 was Chief Rum. Good. I tried, I really tried to lay as much hints as I dared there. Granted, I was gone most of this evening, but with no bodyguard, it's been rough.

Day 3 I hit paydirt.

Vote Darth Vilus

[bhlloy]

[QUOTE=Coffee Warlord;2613558]Knights! Problem solved.

Sir Bedevere the Wise, Sir Bedevere the All Knowing has studied Darth Vilus, and found him to be a witch. BURN HIM! BURN HIM!

Day 1 was NTN. Good.
Day 2 was Chief Rum. Good. I tried, I really tried to lay as much hints as I dared there. Granted, I was gone most of this evening, but with no bodyguard, it's been rough.

Day 3 I hit paydirt.

Vote Darth Vilus[/QUOTE

reveal fail

I'm bedevere, DV is definitely good but I did hit a wolf last night. Mauboy was my scan and you (obviously). Danny was my night two scan and then he was knocked off.

I'm guessing CR is good as you wouldn't risk the whole game on trying to clear another wolf.

what do I win?

[mauchow]

I was your scan last night and came up wolfy? Did I now?

vote bhhloy

[bhlloy]

that's cool, you guys can lynch me today and once I show up as the real seer, you've lost anyway. So I'm not even going to fight it

Mauboy bad
CW bad

Hopefully there's only two wolves. Game over

[bhlloy]

oh and Mau, you shouldn't have tried to draw the seer out like that. one of the most obvious plays I've seen, ironically that made me change my scan from CW to you

[mauchow]

Unfortunately it is game over.

[bhlloy]

post #361 if people want to see what I'm talking about. blatant

[mauchow]

Interesting :)

[Coffee Warlord]

I'm bedevere, DV is definitely good but I did hit a wolf last night. Mauboy was my scan and you (obviously). Danny was my night two scan and then he was knocked off.

I'm guessing CR is good as you wouldn't risk the whole game on trying to clear another wolf.

what do I win?

You win getting lynched next, considering it's pretty bloody obvious CR is good, since you just killed him. Thanks for letting us know who to vote for after DV.

[mauchow]

post #361 if people want to see what I'm talking about. blatant

I wasn't trying to draw a seer out by any means, I was trying to come up with a logical solution if the seer was in the game would herbert not be in the game?

I wasn't saying to come out and say so tonight - I would think one more scan would work before revealing.

[mauchow]

CW, switch to bhlloy.

[mauchow]

I command you to do so!

[bhlloy]

You win getting lynched next, considering it's pretty bloody obvious CR is good, since you just killed him. Thanks for letting us know who to vote for after DV.

That's fine by me. Let me do the math... I'm guessing there are 3 wolves then?

[mauchow]

bhhloy, your vote is going on yourself, by the way. :)

nightfall

[Coffee Warlord]

CW, switch to bhlloy.

Two wolves dead either way, but if you insist.

Unvote DV
Vote Bhlloy

[Coffee Warlord]

Ah. It's like that, huh.

[mauchow]

i hope I didn't screw something up.

[bhlloy]

Let's all play "assume I'm telling the truth" (which of course I am)

So we have 7 left right now

If it's 5 villagers (or 4 villagers and zoot), 2 wolves
I get lynched tonight and a wolf kill that's 3 villagers 2 wolves, then what order do things get processed? I think we can still win anyway. no?

If it's 4 villagers, bunny and wolves - and you lynch me tonight we lose

If it's 3 wolves and you lynch me tonight, we lose also

So basically, other villagers need to make the right call on this. Look at Mau trying to draw out the seer in #361, look at the timing of the reveal and make the decision

[bhlloy]

Also guys, as wolves I wouldn't be playing this weird double game between you right now. Shouldn't you be trying to distance yourselves from each other, not telling each other what to do?

I would love to see the PM's flying about between you guys right now :)

[mauchow]

I don't know who CW is - maybe Dingo?

[mauchow]

Wouldn't Dingo scan as good though?

[mauchow]

Did you say you scanned me and CW last night?

[bhlloy]

actually guys, it's simpler than looking at post #361

if anyone can answer me the following question, I guess you should lynch me

why would I possibly counter your reveal if it was true, knowing that either I or DV would show up bad this evening? Why would I lose the game like that (and assuming 2 wolves, it would assuredly lose the game)

villagers, if you can answer that and it makes sense to you by all means vote for me. otherwise, let's win this game

[bhlloy]

Did you say you scanned me and CW last night?

no, I had an order in to scan CW. After your post calling out the seer, I switched it to you.

but obviously CW is bad, considering he fake revealed and all

[mauchow]

There are three of us - and counting CW is dingo, that's four votes, and my switch vote, we basically have five votes against two at this point.

[bhlloy]

my reasons for wanting to scan CW, if anyone is interested is that somebody said that he'd been way more vocal after a couple people said he was on their trust list. And I went back and looked at it and that did seem to be the case. So I thought I'd follow that line of thinking. But then I got a bigger ping from you.

[Coffee Warlord]

Yes, because by some amazing coincidence, you scanned DV day 1, a guy that was lynched Day 2, and someone who hasn't had a shred of interest on him day 3 (which, oh, was supposed to be me at first).

I think not.

[bhlloy]

oh, well if that's true then that really fricking sucks

so if game over JAG can call it and put us out of our misery?

[Coffee Warlord]

Oh. So there really are three wolves, mau?

[Coffee Warlord]

If so, yeah, you're all fucked.

[bhlloy]

lol. typical I make my only great read ever in WW and still lose

[bhlloy]

Yes, because by some amazing coincidence, you scanned DV day 1, a guy that was lynched Day 2, and someone who hasn't had a shred of interest on him day 3 (which, oh, was supposed to be me at first).

I think not.

yeah, doesn't sound like it matters though

[mauchow]

Yeah, there are three wolves now after you hit on your first night. :)

[Coffee Warlord]

yeah, doesn't sound like it matters though

I wasn't sure till after I posted and saw mau confirm the 2nd wolf I didn't know about.

Yeah, I'm Dingo, and got amazingly lucky day 1. Converted on the first hit.

[mauchow]

Great job thought CW coming out like that. We had an order to NK you tonight but switched later on. Still probbaly would have come out on top but it certainly made things easier today. :)

[Coffee Warlord]

Heh. I ALMOST fake revealed yesterday to draw out the seer, but I figured I could stand waiting one more day.

[JAG]

Alrighty, no reason to drag this out...

[JAG]

Mass confusion fills the group. Two people stand up and claim to be Sir Bedevere amidst much shouting. Eventually the one named Coffee Warlord appears to have the most support and bhlloy is showered with rocks until he lays lifeless on the ground. Unfortunately (for the two left on the side of good), you realize now this was the true Sir Bedevere you have killed.

Then Autumn, who you only now realize is Sir Galahad, steps up to henry296 and says, "Nice try, but your sister was quicker." With a single blow, he puts his sword through Zoot's heart. mauboy1 laughs with a ridiculous French accent and ntndeacon runs over to Darth Vilus yelling, "Ni! Ni!" until he can take no more.

The forces of Evil have triumphed! Game over!

[bhlloy]

I am so pissed right now. At least this didn't get dragged out all weekend

[Coffee Warlord]

NTN, huh. I was close. I had it between him and henry, actually, but I was leaning towards henry.

In case you didn't know, mauboy, you were the wolf I knew about from the start.

[bhlloy]

great game wolves

[mauchow]

Not sure how well we do if it's just me and ntn for a few nights before a convert.

[Coffee Warlord]

We got horribly, horribly lucky.

And it was unfortunate Autumn, a common early target for, well, everything, was Galahad. After that, it was basically a cakewalk.

[mauchow]

Yep, I was semi surprised Zinto didn't put an order in to change up the lynch but... that's the toughest job to have, especially at this point

[Coffee Warlord]

However, I find I must say this.

SPANK ME, AUTUMN. SPANK ME LONG AND HARD. :)

[bhlloy]

If he didn't have a read on anyone (and I don't see why he would at that point) it's a pointless exercise.

[JAG]

Thanks to everyone for playing. Not the best effort from the village in my opinion, but so it goes. Some notes:

1. Autumn must've had a good tip-off post that he was Galahad, as both henry and CW scanned him night 1. CW was quicker by 15 minutes, so they got the conversion instead of both being taken out of the game.

2. Even though it was indicated to Autumn in the conversion PM that CW was Dingo, he must have missed or forgotten that information. The other wolves didn't know who CW was and he ended up being their second choice for a kill night 2 and the primary choice for a kill night three before mau switched things up and suggested Zinto instead, believing he might be the seer (instead, he just had some good reads).

3. Autumn was correct that I threw that tidbit he highlighted in the rules because I was contemplating a seerless game when the total people that had signed up was 11 (9v, 2w or maybe 8v 1n 2w). After a couple more joined, I went with almost the exact configuration Danny put out day 1. I thought it was pretty well-balanced, but the wolves got off to a fantastic start with the killing of the BG and getting their conversion N1 and basically never looked back.

[Coffee Warlord]

Jesus, you guys never knew who I was? I had actually asked JAG, once I successfully converted, if Autumn knew. He told me so, so I'd been playing under the assumption the wolves were in on the fun at that point.

Hell, THAT puts a whole new spin on things. I seriously was reading into Autumn's posts for subtle hints on who is okay to vote for (since I only knew one of the two original wolves), and I actually thought he was subtly urging me to reveal as seer. Which, I had planned to do anyway.

[mauchow]

I thought it was pretty well-balanced, but the wolves got off to a fantastic start with the killing of the BG and getting their conversion N1 and basically never looked back.

And now you must die, too! Sorry.

Jag Dead

[mauchow]

Wow, yeah, that's a big miss on Autumn's part. He even said at one point he wasn't completely with it for a bit. HEheh.

[bhlloy]

I thought the village played very poorly. We fell into the trap we always do of getting a couple of candidates for no good reason and voting them over and over again. I'm definitely guilty of that, I voted CR all 3 days at one point I think (although day 3 was to try and protect DV who I knew was good)

Wolves got lucky with the day 1 conversion but still, there was no heat on them at all. I don't think we even had a single vote on one of them the whole game. Very poor.

[mauchow]

Zinto was into us. I was voting wolves too.

[CrimsonFox]

man what a horrible game for us. I don't think many people here know your playing style, Coffee. Good game. Mauboy was SOOOO pinging me. He's never that quiet.

[CrimsonFox]

And now you know why I always go after Autumn, because I'm usually right about him. :)

[henry296]

Dang. The conversation with Autumn about which neutral roles were in the game was the reason I scanned him on night one. Should've put that order in right away and then changed it later if necessary.

[Autumn]

Wow, I missed a lot!

I can't believe I somehow missed being told CW was Dingo. WTF.

[Autumn]

Ah, I see. Yes, I think I was confused early on because I just had it in my head that a wolf had converted me. It wasn't until last night or today that it clicked that the converter was the sorceror, not the wolf. So I had ignored the name in teh original PM, thinking it was one of the wolves, and then when it clicked today I thought I didn't know who the sorceror was.

That would have made things easier. So the gold medal goes to Mauboy who suggested Zinto as the night kill over CW. I actually thought Chief might be Dingo, and that was why he wasn't fighting being the lynch target repeatedly.

[Autumn]

I really thought there might not be a seer in the game. I don't think I mentioned it as heavily as a villager, because I thought it better if the wolves didn't think strongly about that. But as a new wolf it aligned well with a desire to just keep Chief on the chopping block.

JAG, where was I wrong with my numbers? I thought we were done "last" night.

I had Henry pegged as Zoot at least, which was a real bonus for the wolves, because we knew we just had to avoid him dying, as a neutral.

CW, that was a fantastic play to reveal, perfect play at that point. A lot of times I find sorcerors don't do enough to help the wolves, but that was good.

[Autumn]

What made you guys scan me as Galahad? I wasn't trying to tip anyone off.

[CrimsonFox]

*sigh* I have no idea why Autumn went scot free after his day 2 "reveal". He was just frothing over Chief's fake reveal in the previous game so it seemed obvious that's what he was doing. Zinto you picked up on that but really Autumn seemed to be invisible day 3.

[Autumn]

Well, Danny was leading the charge and we killed him. I think a lot of people didn't quite buy the reveal, but it wasn't flagrant enough to garner a vote. I think it helped that I didn't reveal under great pressure.

Luckily I was a wolf at that point. It would have sucked to have been a pure Galahad and not be able to reveal because I'd just get screwed that night.

[bhlloy]

CW, that was a fantastic play to reveal, perfect play at that point. A lot of times I find sorcerors don't do enough to help the wolves, but that was good.

Not to dump on his play or anything, and there may be something I missed but a) it didn't matter in the scheme of the game and b) if there were only 2 wolves as he thought, it actually could/would have lost the game for the wolves

EDIT - nm, nothing to see here. I forgot CW wasn't the second wolf and there would have been another one out there. So yeah, not a bad play in the grand scheme of things

[bhlloy]

I also missed in my calculations earlier the fact there was a brutal. With 3 wolves and 4 villagers the game was basically over before today even started, no?

[Darth Vilus]

We got raped. No doubt about that

[Zinto]

Rough game for the village. Why CF night one?

[JAG]

JAG, where was I wrong with my numbers? I thought we were done "last" night.

You missed that both Dingo and Zoot counted as villagers for purposes of win ratio.

[JAG]

I also missed in my calculations earlier the fact there was a brutal. With 3 wolves and 4 villagers the game was basically over before today even started, no?

Technically the game wasn't over from a ratio standpoint (let's say ideally you could've voted off both non-brutal wolves before ntn last). With the sorceror and mau's vote switch, the wolves had numbers on their side to force a win, but they weren't aware that CW was Dingo so I didn't want to call it immediately. After CW made his last play (which I thought was perfectly timed...give the wolves the means to get rid of the seer, worst case a wolf doesn't get voted off more than likely, if there were only two wolves left), the wolves knew he was Dingo at that point because he listed ntn as good. Then Mau laid out their path to a win in-thread and I felt there was no point in keeping the game going.

[JAG]

Rough game for the village. Why CF night one?

This sounds comical after seeing CR get heavily voted D2 + D3 but it was in part because they thought someone on the block D1 wouldn't be up there on future days (and partially they suspected he might have a role).

[JAG]

So lets say the wolves kill CW instead of Zinto N3. There would be four actual villagers left, so they would have the numbers, but the wolves would have a vote switch in hand. bhlloy comes out and pegs Mau as a wolf. If Zinto realizes he has to duke it to Mau, the wolves kill bhlloy that night. So then it's 3-2 and probably Autumn gets lynched seeing as Zinto had been after him. Then DV probably has to choose between ntn and Henry to get the win.

Not a guaranteed win for the village in that scenario, but there was a somewhat reasonable chance had the NK not been changed in the last hour.

[CrimsonFox]

We got raped. No doubt about that

eh it's more like the village raped itself :P

I mean Jackal? REALLY? What the hell!

[mauchow]

I was very quiet because the village was doing a great job by themselves. :)

[CrimsonFox]

I was very quiet because the village was doing a great job by themselves. :)


LOL uh huh :) But even when that happens you are always going off on your own tangents. :)

Ya know, you are becoming the new Jackal with how many times you are a wolf, mau.

[Coffee Warlord]

What made you guys scan me as Galahad? I wasn't trying to tip anyone off.

Nothing you did. I just picked someone I don't like playing against. :)

[Autumn]

You missed that both Dingo and Zoot counted as villagers for purposes of win ratio.

Reading fail #2, I could have sworn it said dingo did *not* count as a villager. Damn. Galahad was really a net loss for the village no matter what.

[mauchow]

Rough game for the village. Why CF night one?

Cf always finds a way to finger me..we didn't really chat much on day one though. No real science other than avoiding the likely block target in Danny autumn etc

[JAG]

Reading fail #2, I could have sworn it said dingo did *not* count as a villager. Damn. Galahad was really a net loss for the village no matter what.

Yeah, it was a tough role to play I thought. As a villager, your only chance is to not get scanned by either Zoot or Dingo and hoping they die quickly. I was kind of wondering if your role speculation post was trying to draw Dingo to you since your survival chances were probably better as a wolf, but I guess you didn't intend it for that.

Also, I really wanted to have the Killer Bunny in the game as it seemed like it'd be an interesting role to play (and to mess with everyone), but I didn't think it would work well unless the player count was higher.

[The Jackal]

See, I told you NTN was a wolf!

[bhlloy]

I'm a bit surprised mckerney didn't reveal close to the deadline - I understand with no self protect it wouldn't have saved him, but it at least would have forced the wolves to kill him and not CF. Seems like that's the right play every time, we would have lynched CR who was villager but we didn't know that at the time.

[Danny]

Bodyguards and seers should never be lynched without a reveal.

[The Jackal]

I probably should have revealed with a small amount of players, but it was a role that could have been easily painted as a wolf ploy and I didn't count as a villager. Was hoping by dropping some seer hints I'd get nightkilled, but what're you gonna do. Not my fault we had villagers on the block!

[The Jackal]

(though i take responsibility for introducing mckerney as a candidate!)

[DaddyTorgo]

darn - too bad i was on vacation and missed this...this would have been a theme game that drew me back!

[Autumn]

Well, now that you're back, let's get another one going!