WW CXLIV: Monty Python and the Holy Werewolf: GAME OVER (Result in Post 414)

[JAG]

Intro will go here sometime in the next day or so.

Rules:

Rules that are somewhat different from most games:

Editing of posts: I will allow editing of posts if you do so within five minutes of your original post time. For simplicity's sake though, after five minutes from the original post time, please don't edit your post, simply make a new one. One exception: please do not edit any posts with a vote in it.

Tiebreaker: If two or more players end up with the same number of votes, the player to be lynched will be randomly selected amongst those receiving the highest amount of votes, unless King Arthur is voting for one of the top suspects in which case he breaks the tie. There is also a small chance that, in addition to this, another person at random will be lynched anytime there is a tie.

Nightfall: I will accept Nightfall votes. It needs to be unanimous, the wolves need to agree to it in private, and note that once you vote Nightfall, your vote for that day is locked and cannot be changed, so be completely sure of your vote if you choose to vote nightfall.

Conditional Orders: I will accept conditional orders. The latest submitted orders are the ones I will process for you.

Processing of Orders: In the event that multiple orders somehow conflict, the orders I receive earliest will take precedence (for example, someone who submits their final orders at 1pm vs. 4pm). The lynch is always the first action to be processed, the night kill is always the final action to be processed.


Rules that are mostly the same as other games (i.e. vets can probably just skim this section):

Deadline: 24 hr deadline is 10pm EST / 9pm CST / 7pm PST etc... Votes and night actions at 10:00pm EST and earlier count, votes and night actions at 10:01pm EST do not count. Conditional night action orders are fine if you can't be there at deadline.

Voting: Use a separate line and bold your vote, unvotes are fine, No Lynch is not an option.

e.g. JAG is clearly off his usual game. I am sure he is a wolf.

Vote JAG

Quoting private messages publicly: Don't do this.

Private messaging: If you have PM abilities, please include me on all messages.

Discussion of game: While the game is in progress, please do not privately discuss the game with anyone else still in the game (other than within the constraints of the rules of course, i.e. wolves are free to PM themselves).

Vanilla villagers: All vanilla villagers will receive the following PM:

You are part of an autonomous collective.

Victory Conditions:

King Arthur and the Knights of the Round Table (and other good players, i.e. peasants) win if they eliminate all evil players.
Neutral Players win if they meet the win condition outlined in their role write-up.
The forces of Evil win if they can reach a 1:1 ratio of evil player to good player.


Roles: Note that all roles may not be present, the only guaranteed role is King Arthur. And I mean that. Also, wolves will know one role that is not in the game.


Good:

King Arthur: Once per game he can change the lynch to a player of his choosing (this will publicly reveal him). He also breaks all tie votes.

Sir Bedeveer: Once per night he can use his fabulous powers of deduction to determine if another player is evil.

Sir Galahad the Pure: Can he remain pure throughout the game?

Sir Lancelot the Brave: Bodyguard (can't self protect, can't protect the same player consecutive nights). If Zoot shines the Grail-shaped beacon on him before Sir Galahad, Lancelot will protect Galahad from her peril (unless Lancelot dies thereafter).

Prince Herbert: Each night he can write a letter asking for help. Most folks will ignore the letter (they will not know they received one), but if the letter reaches Sir Lancelot, Lancelot will perform a night kill in order to cut through the guards holding Herbert and thereafter Herbert and Lancelot can communicate via PM.

Sir Robin the Not Quite So Brave as Sir Lancelot: Does not count as a villager for purposes of win ratio (he bravely runs from the wolves instead of fighting with the villagers)

Peasant: You are part of an autonomous collective


Neutral:

Zoot: She is setting alight the Grail-shaped beacon in hopes of finding Sir Galahad. She can scan once a night for him and her major winning condition is to find him before he dies or is corrupted by her twin sister. If Galahad is corrupted, she will not recognize him any longer. She does count as a villager for purposes of win ratio but if she finds Sir Galahad, they are both removed from the game as he leaves to administer a spanking to her. If Sir Galahad dies or is converted, she can win a minor victory with the village.

Killer Bunny: Watch out for this dangerous rodent with big pointy teeth! If any player performs a night action on this player, they will be utterly and brutally destroyed (can be lynched as any other player however). The Killler Bunny wins either by killing a certain number of players (based on how many are playing) or if it is one of the last three players alive (it's more than a match for any two others). The Killer Bunny does not count as a wolf or villager, but rather as an animal. With big pointy teeth.


Evil:

Frenchman: Once a game they can taunt another player to make them change their vote (will not be publicly displayed).

Black Knight: If he attacks King Arthur at night, he will be cut to pieces (literally).

Knight who says Ni!: If lynched, they will say "Ni!" to another player who will perish under such an assault.

Dingo: Zoot's identical twin sister, she may be able to convert Sir Galahad to evil (scans for him once a night). Counts as a villager for ratio purposes but wins with the wolves. Begins the game knowing the identity of one wolf. If scanned by Sir Bedevere, will scan as 'good'.

[JAG]

A moose once bit my sister.

[JAG]

Someday lad, all this will be yours!
What, the curtains?


Starring: (Wik)
1. CrimsonFox - Autonomous Collective Member - Night Killed Day 1 (aka Ralph the Wonder Llama)
2. Autumn (Winter gave Spring and Summer a miss and went straight on into Autumn)


Also Starring: (Also Wik)

4. ntndeacon (Pie Iesu domine, dona eis requiem)


Also Also Starring: (Also Also Wik)

5. The Jackal - Brave Sir Robin - Lynched Day 2 (he's not dead yet) (alright, he's dead now)
6. Danny - Autonomous Collective Member - Night Killed Day 2 (knows witches are made of wood)
7. mauboy1 (blue. No, yel---aaaaaaaaaagh)
8. Zinto - King Arthur - Night Killed Day 3 (there are some who call him...Zinto?)
9. Chief Rum - Autonomous Collective Member - Lynched Day 3 (likes huge tracks of land)
10. Darth Vilus (can handle flesh wounds)
11. henry296 (not in the least bit scared to be mashed into a pulp)
12. Coffee Warlord (assisting with suggestive moose poses)
13. bhlloy (pram pusher)
14. mckerney - Sir Lancelot the Brave - lynched Day 1 (father smelt of elderberries)

(What happened to 3. Sir? Shut up!)

[CrimsonFox]

I will Llama this game.

[Autumn]

*salivates*

[JAG]

Roles added. May still tweak some things there.

[Barkeep49]

2. Autumn (Winter gave Spring and Summer a miss and went straight on into Autumn)

You know you had this one in your back pocket before you posted the game...

[ntndeacon]

It's a Fair cop

[The Jackal]

I'll play, just so everyone knows that I can't really access the game much between 8-5:30.

[CrimsonFox]

I'll play, just so everyone knows that I can't really access the game much between 8-5:30.


He's a witch! Burn him!

[JAG]

I'd like to send out roles Monday night, we'll see how signups go.

[Danny]

Im in, im sure darth will play too

[Danny]

Ill text him to make sure as well

[mauchow]

i can play, hopefully our in company auditor can stay away for at least another week. If they do come it's a two day thing where I will be limited most likely.

[Zinto]

I am in!

[Chief Rum]

When will this start? If I join, it would be much better to start Wednesday or later, so I don't have to try to be on here occasionally at work with my chapass partner on a vist from her office up north on Tuesday.

[JAG]

When will this start? If I join, it would be much better to start Wednesday or later, so I don't have to try to be on here occasionally at work with my chapass partner on a vist from her office up north on Tuesday.

Wednesday start with roles going out Tuesday night is fine by me as long as it works for others. Unless I hear objections we'll go with that.

[Darth Vilus]

Sign me up

[Autumn]

Wednesday works. I should be back and paying attention by then.

[henry296]

In

[Chief Rum]

Cool, I am in then.

[CrimsonFox]

In


*blink blink*

Wonderful! Welcome back henry!

[Barkeep49]

You know you had this one in your back pocket before you posted the game...
This wasn't a sign-up just an observation.

[ntndeacon]

in

[JAG]

This wasn't a sign-up just an observation.

Oh. Oh, I see. Running away, eh?

;)

[Coffee Warlord]

All those who have signed up before me shall now be sacked. I am now...in.

[Barkeep49]

Oh. Oh, I see. Running away, eh?

;)
Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then withdraw thou's name.

[bhlloy]

I can't pass this theme up. I have pram pushing duties during the day but I'll be as active as I can

[mckerney]

I'll play.

[Darth Vilus]

I'll do my best to be as active as I can but I won't be around much wed and thurs because of my work and school schedules.

Friday will be alot better...if I'm still alive that is :p

[CrimsonFox]

It's a Fair cop

in

Since he joined twice, let ntndeacon be 2/3 of the 3-headed giant! :)

[JAG]

Alright, not too bad a turnout. Unless there are any last minute entries in the next hour or so, I'll finish sorting through things and get role PMs out this evening, probably (hopefully) earlier than 9pm CST.

[JAG]

Ok, roles are rolled and ready to be sent out after which we can...well...roll.

[JAG]

Roles have been sent out, game on.

Please let me know ASAP if you did not receive a role.

[JAG]

The skies darken and the clouds part, revealing an enormous face in the sky that speaks to you:

"Arthur, King of the Britons, behold: The Holy Grail. Your quest is to obtain The Holy Grail. You may only find it if you eliminate the evil amongst you. That is your quest Arthur. But if you can also change those bloody psalms, that would be nice too."

The face fades from view. You pick up two halves of coconuts and prepare to move out.

[Autumn]

Awesome, good to be back at it. I just got back from a trip and am zonked, so not going to think too much about it yet. A lot of roles, and some wild ones, for only 13 players. I will look them over in the morning and try to guess which ones we may be dealing with. Until then!

[ntndeacon]

Do Coconuts migrate?

[Zinto]

I heard they go South for the winter.

[henry296]

Are there any items in this game? I thought I saw it in the original rules?

[mckerney]

Hi.

[CrimsonFox]

*clipclop clipclop clipclop*

[Danny]

I haven't seen the Monty Python movies enough to make references in my posts about them :(.

[CrimsonFox]

I haven't seen the Monty Python movies enough to make references in my posts about them :(.

That makes me like you more actually. Outside of this game I find it annoying hearing geeks quote this movie at me as if it were the first time I had heard their quotes. And that annoyance is second only to hearing Princess Bride quoted.

[Darth Vilus]

Roles have been sent out, game on.

Please let me know ASAP if you did not receive a role.

JAG! I did not get a role!

What is this autonmotomonous collective thing?! :mad:

[CrimsonFox]

I assume that means villager. I'm one of those as well.

[Danny]

JAG! I did not get a role!

What is this autonmotomonous collective thing?! :mad:

Vote Darth

[Danny]

Unvote Darth

[JAG]

That makes me like you more actually. Outside of this game I find it annoying hearing geeks quote this movie at me as if it were the first time I had heard their quotes. And that annoyance is second only to hearing Princess Bride quoted.

Inconceivable!

[The Jackal]

That makes me like you more actually. Outside of this game I find it annoying hearing geeks quote this movie at me as if it were the first time I had heard their quotes. And that annoyance is second only to hearing Princess Bride quoted.

Aw, you just don't like books about kissing. How cute!

[The Jackal]

vote mckerney

[Zinto]

I can not remember a time when Jackal got first day votes[it probably happened last game or some recent time since I am doing this :)] so my random day one vote goes there at least until 12ish when I return from classes.


Vote Jackal

[Zinto]

I haven't seen the Monty Python movies enough to make references in my posts about them :(.


I am also in this boat. I may watch it again just because of this game.

[mauchow]

autonomous collective here - or plain villager, whatever you want to call it. Good to be playing again - it's been a while.

[Coffee Warlord]

Mooses for all!

[Coffee Warlord]

Crimson Fox (aka Ralph the Wonder Llama)

There is only one true animal in these parts. And it is a Moose. Not a Lllama.
Ralph must be purged!

(edited to remove bold, since the proper vote is below - and okay, it was 6 minutes, not 5. Sue me, I haven't had coffee yet)

[Coffee Warlord]

Make that Vote Crimson Fox aka Ralph the Wonder Llama.

[JAG]

Day 1 voting as of post 56:

1 mckerney: The Jackal (50)
1 The Jackal: Zinto (51)
1 CrimsonFox: Coffee Warlord (56)

[Coffee Warlord]

Fair warning: We're rolling out a big piece of programming today at work, and we have the brass in town. I have no idea what my availability is going to be.

[henry296]

Here is some initial speculation on what we might be facing in this game. I think with 13 players 3 wolves are too many, so likely 2 wolves plus both neutrals.

Of course with Day 1, any vote is pure speculation especially 12 hours before the deadline. Therefore, I will vote before voting even thought it will still be a pure guess later.

[CrimsonFox]

Since I can't vote for two people, I will obviously vote for...

VOTE CHIEF RUM
:D

[Autumn]

All right, with this few players I imagine that there aren't a lot of the neutral characters, characters who don't count for win conditions in one direction or another. With King Arthur, I would bet we have the Black Knight, the Knight who Says Ni, and probably the Killer Bunny just for fun. Herbert and Lancelot go together, as does Galahad, Zoot, Dingo and Lancelot (to some extent). So I would guess the former grouping rather than the latter.

[CrimsonFox]

Leaning toward Darth being vanilla villager.

[CrimsonFox]

Make that Vote Crimson Fox aka Ralph the Wonder Llama.

What the Llama?!? YOu better Llama that back!!!

[Autumn]

Though with the numbers the way they are, I could see 3 wolves, but including the one who doesn't count as a wolf (Dingo). Or 2 wolves but one or two of the neutrals to cut down on villager numbers.

[Autumn]

And my random starting vote:

<b>vote bhlloy</b>

[mckerney]

Hisssss! We shall find the wolves and choke the life from their bodies before swallowing them whole. Hisssssssss.

[CrimsonFox]

Hisssss! We shall find the wolves and choke the life from their bodies before swallowing them whole. Hisssssssss.


You are a snake?

[mckerney]

You are a snake?

Aren't we supposed to be? Are the snakes the bad guys?

[Coffee Warlord]

Aren't snakes made of wood too?

[bhlloy]

Vote CF

[Chief Rum]

Crimson Fox (aka Ralph the Wonder Llama)

There is only one true animal in these parts. And it is a Moose. Not a Lllama.
Ralph must be purged!

(edited to remove bold, since the proper vote is below - and okay, it was 6 minutes, not 5. Sue me, I haven't had coffee yet)

So you're just a warlord then?

[Chief Rum]

I am Sir Chief Rum of Uncommon Stench.

Or a peasant of the autonomous collective. You can call me Stench for short.

[CrimsonFox]

Can we call you Chief Rum Punch?

[Coffee Warlord]

So you're just a warlord then?

No no, I properly went on a war of conquest to acquire my coffee shortly after that post. Thus reaffirming my title.

[CrimsonFox]

1 mckerney: The Jackal (50)
1 The Jackal: Zinto (51)
2 CrimsonFox: Coffee Warlord (56) bhlloy (70)
1 Chief Rum: Crimson Fox (60)
1 bhlloy: Autumn (65)

[henry296]

All right, with this few players I imagine that there aren't a lot of the neutral characters, characters who don't count for win conditions in one direction or another. With King Arthur, I would bet we have the Black Knight, the Knight who Says Ni, and probably the Killer Bunny just for fun. Herbert and Lancelot go together, as does Galahad, Zoot, Dingo and Lancelot (to some extent). So I would guess the former grouping rather than the latter.

Why do you think the former and not the latter? The second group has 1 Good, 1 Bad and 1 Neutral which would be balanced.

[ntndeacon]

I am just as sure as anyone else... (none at all) So with that I guess I will go with one of the folks already mentioned...

Vote mckerney

[mckerney]

No! The Mighty Python issssss too stronk to be killed by the wolves.

http://gallery.kingsnake.com/data/95603IMG_6767-med.jpg

Vote ntndeacon

[mckerney]

No! The Mighty Python issssss too stronk to be killed by the wolves.

http://gallery.kingsnake.com/data/95603IMG_6767-med.jpg

Vote ntndeacon

[Autumn]

Why do you think the former and not the latter? The second group has 1 Good, 1 Bad and 1 Neutral which would be balanced.

That's true, it is a balanced group. I was just thinking that with the lower end of numbers in the game, JAG is less likely to pick a clump of roles that all have to go together. He's going to have King Arthur, if he picks a clump like that he's much more limited in any other roles he can include. He's still got to have some regular wolves, and a seer, etc. Just seemed the less likely of the two.

[Darth Vilus]

Did I miss something in the rules, wasn't there a convert somewhere? If there is then i would guess 2 wolves, the convert, and 1 neutral

If I was mistaking (don't have time to check right now) then I would guess 3 wolves and 1 neutral. I doubt the neutrals would have any bearing on the number of wolves

[Darth Vilus]

1 mckerney: The Jackal (50)
1 The Jackal: Zinto (51)
2 CrimsonFox: Coffee Warlord (56) bhlloy (70)
1 Chief Rum: Crimson Fox (60)
1 bhlloy: Autumn (65)

I was gonna vote danny and then I saw this lol. I won't be around later because of work so I'm not gonna take the risk of introducing another candidate and not being able to switch it later.

Vote Chief Rum

Just a random shot as always on day 1

[Darth Vilus]

I gotta head out now, good luck guys!

[JAG]

Day 1 voting as of Post 83:

2 Chief Rum: Crimson Fox (60), Darth Vilus (82)
2 CrimsonFox: Coffee Warlord (56) bhlloy (70)
2 mckerney: The Jackal (50), ntndeacon (77)
1 bhlloy: Autumn (65)
1 ntndeacon: mckerney (78)
1 The Jackal: Zinto (51)

[Coffee Warlord]

Re-reading tie criteria, question to JAG.

If King Arthur breaks the tie (per tie rules, not per duke power) is he revealed?

[CrimsonFox]

No! The Mighty Python issssss too stronk to be killed by the wolves.

http://gallery.kingsnake.com/data/95603IMG_6767-med.jpg



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[JAG]

Re-reading tie criteria, question to JAG.

If King Arthur breaks the tie (per tie rules, not per duke power) is he revealed?

Nay.

[Chief Rum]

I am just an uncommonly stinky peasant, so votes for me are automatically suspicious to me.

Plus, one of my voters has the same number of votes as me. So that makes this decision easy for now.

VOTE CRIMSON FOX

[Coffee Warlord]

It is...quiet.

Perhaps we should build a giant badger.

[bhlloy]

Or.... another shrubbery!

I'm just following on my phone, no longer able to really post at work. Will be more active around 5-5:30 PST when I get home (hopefully)

[mckerney]

It is...quiet.

Perhaps we should build a giant badger.

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[Danny]

My guess is two starting wolves with the convert along with one neutral in Zoot.

Probably no Hebert or Robin

[CrimsonFox]

hey chief, and mckerney, let's make a deal and all vote for autumn :)

[Danny]

Vote Jackal

[Danny]

I went with someone who garnered an early vote, but has not had a follow up second vote. Yes, not much to go on at all, but its day 1

[Autumn]

hey chief, and mckerney, let's make a deal and all vote for autumn :)

This is always what happens when I leave the room and CF's in it.

[henry296]

We've got 4 good candidates so no need for a new one.

Therefore

vote mckerney

for no good reason

[CrimsonFox]

hehehehehehehehehe!

[Autumn]

I'm looking to be stranded out there on Bhlloy. I'll move to one of the guys with two votes. I wouldn't normally pick Chief Day 1 but it seems any of the other moves will simply invite self-defense moves, which isn't hte kind of movement that's useful to see.

<b>unvote bhlloy
vote chief rum</b>

[Autumn]

oops, didn't see that henry vote while i was voting, but still works.

[Autumn]

gotta go eat, see y'all later

[CrimsonFox]

3 Chief Rum: Crimson Fox (60), Darth Vilus (82) Autumn (99)
3 CrimsonFox: Coffee Warlord (56) bhlloy (70) Chief Rum (88)
3 mckerney: The Jackal (50), ntndeacon (77) henry296 (97)
1 ntndeacon: mckerney (78)
2 The Jackal: Zinto (51) Danny (94)

[CrimsonFox]

As i said before, I'm part of the autonomous commune. I hadn't actually read through the rules so when Darth blurted that out I thought that was a guarantee he was a villager since I didn't see a separate post about what makes a villager. THen I later saw it was already there.

Still the way Darth did that still suggests a villager, possibly roled.

[Chief Rum]

I would prefer to keep on playing. But if I go down today, little is lost as I am just a peasant, and a powerfully smelly one at that.

[CrimsonFox]

I think I will be called Dennis. Yes that would be nice.

And I can't think what else I was going to post.

THis would be a good time for Bug to come in and throw down a random vote. *sigh*

[Zinto]

Well noon turned into seven :). I am going to move my vote from Jackal since other than Danny no one wants to vote for him. I am going to vote for mckerney since he still has his vote on ntn and see where some movement comes from.

Unvote Jackal
Vote Mckereny

[Coffee Warlord]

So we're at a 4/3/3 now?

[JAG]

Day 1 voting as of Post 107:
4 mckerney: The Jackal (50), ntndeacon (77), henry296 (97), Zinto (106)
3 Chief Rum: CrimsonFox (60), Darth Vilus (82) Autumn (99)
3 CrimsonFox: Coffee Warlord (56) bhlloy (70) Chief Rum (88)
1 ntndeacon: mckerney (78)
1 The Jackal: Danny (94)

[Coffee Warlord]

Just short a mauboy vote, looks like.

[Danny]

vote chief

[Danny]

unvote jackal
vote chief

[Coffee Warlord]

Chief and Mac tied now.

[mauchow]

Sorry guys - I completely forgot about the game today. Wow. Anyway, here for now and probably mostly for the night, other than back and forth from Survivor. Just got done reading up on the day. Gonna post this and make my vote now.

[mauchow]

vote mckerney

Not sure what to do. Mckerney will change his vote and create a tie thus creating some movement with the CF voters. That seems like something that might create some interesting movement

[JAG]

Day 1 voting as of Post 114:
5 mckerney: The Jackal (50), ntndeacon (77), henry296 (97), Zinto (106), mauboy1 (114)
4 Chief Rum: CrimsonFox (60), Darth Vilus (82) Autumn (99), Danny (111)
3 CrimsonFox: Coffee Warlord (56) bhlloy (70) Chief Rum (88)
1 ntndeacon: mckerney (78)

[mauchow]

I personally don't want to vote mckerney out because he's not able to counter-vote to save himself. So if anything I will be changing my vote if need be.

[Coffee Warlord]

I'll bite. Making sure no ties occur, here. Sorry mac, just business.

Unvote CF The Llama
Vote Mckerney

[Autumn]

Good enough.

[CrimsonFox]

you've probably just lynched the seer again

[Autumn]

And you haven't? Aren't you on our side, CF?

[CrimsonFox]

I'm never on your side autumn. you know that

[Autumn]

lol true that

[CrimsonFox]

hmmm maybe I can start a run on myself. Who with me!

[CrimsonFox]

I think mau is a wolf at this point. I think autumn might be one too. Chief I never know what to think of but I think he got saved today. hmm. Well so did I technically but I'm a vanilla villager and I know that.

THe unvotes of jackal don't strike me as odd. And any wolf action went scotfree really.

[JAG]

Deadline

[CrimsonFox]

cmon jag do your thang.

[JAG]

Final Day 1 voting:
6 mckerney: The Jackal (50), ntndeacon (77), henry296 (97), Zinto (106), mauboy1 (114), Coffee Warlord (117)
4 Chief Rum: CrimsonFox (60), Darth Vilus (82) Autumn (99), Danny (111)
2 CrimsonFox: bhlloy (70) Chief Rum (88)
1 ntndeacon: mckerney (78)

[CrimsonFox]

tis a sad sad day when passers by can lynch someone and say "Ni" to poor old mckerneys.

[JAG]

You all lead mckerney to the tree.

"I say, this tree looks like a jolly place for a hanging. Right? Right. Up you go then."

He protests, saying he is the bravest knight in all the land, but you've heard it all before and hoist him up. As he swings lifeless before you, you realize that he was right.

mckerney was Sir Lancelot the Brave.

Night actions processing now, will return with the conclusion of day 1 in a bit.

[Coffee Warlord]

But didn't you SEE him? He had HUGE FANGS AND POINTY EARS!

[Autumn]

You thought we should have lynched Chief, CrimsonFox?

[Autumn]

That was posted before results, obviously, lol

[CrimsonFox]

*snap*

[Coffee Warlord]

Hey, at least my failures are properly epic.

[CrimsonFox]

Hey, at least my failures are properly epic.

And so Coffee, the unscrutibly wrong, his failure bare for all to see, dons his cloak of shame and gallops off across the land in search of more failitudes to process, more wolves to defend, and more tree roots to trip over! Hail Mighty Coffee wherever ye go!

[Autumn]

But for real, CF, what made you think McK was a bad lynch, and CR a good one?

[Coffee Warlord]

I knew I shoulda kept my vote on that damnable Llama! He is the natural enemy of both Yak and Moose alike!

[JAG]

Night falls quietly over the land. Other than the hideous screaming you hear that is, but you're able to put that aside in the interests of catching up on your sleep.

When you awaken, you are saddened to see CrimsonFox lying in an appropriately colored pool of his own blood.

CrimsonFox was part of an autonomous collective.

Day 2 has begun.

[Autumn]

Well, I guess that's why he wasn't answering.

[Coffee Warlord]

But yeah, in a minor bout of seriousness...result aside, I made the right move there. If people rail on me for it, so be it, but it was the smart play on day 1 to prevent a last minute tie.

[Autumn]

Well it's either a great move or a wolf move, depending on Chief's allegiance. "Burn him! Burn him!"

[CrimsonFox]

But for real, CF, what made you think McK was a bad lynch, and CR a good one?


well Autumn, I -->*ACK!!!!*<

[Autumn]

jackal votes mckerney
1
zinto votes jackal
1-1
CW votes CF
1-1-1
CF votes chief
1-1-1-1
autumn votes bhlloy
1-1-1-1-1
bhlloy votes cf
2-1-1-1-1
ntn votes mckerney
2-2-1-1-1
mckerney votes ntn
2-2-1-1-1-1
darth votes chief rum
2-2-2-1-1-1
chief votes cF
3-2-2-1-1-1
danny votes jackal
3-2-2-2-1-1
henry votes mcerkeny
3-3-2-2-1-1
autumn unvotes bhlloy
3-3-2-2-1
autumn votes chief
3-3-3-2-1
zinto unvotes jackal
3-3-3-1-1
zinto votes mckerney
4-3-3-1-1
danny unvotes jackal
4-3-3-1
danny votes chief
4-4-3-1
mauboy votes mckerney
5-4-3-1
coffee unvotes cf
5-4-2-1
coffee votes mckerney
6-4-2-1

[bhlloy]

Well shit sorry guys. I'm still at work, a bunch of servers that have been out of aervice for a couple days came back up and working on that right now. Crappy result, I'll check in more later when I am home

[Autumn]

Off to bed. i'll look at things in the cold light of day.

[mckerney]

Wolves, rest in tranquility, the mighty python is no more.

[Zinto]

Lame lame lame. Sorry McKerney.

[bhlloy]

ugh, well I'm home but still working. Just waiting for some backlogs to clear so I have a little time.

My only day 1 ping was CF and Darth playing off each other, maybe to try and draw a scan for the cunning? I thought the early exchange between the two plus the fact that CF then drew attention to that later in the day might be something but obviously, a villager CF means that doesn't work. Interesting that he was killed, wonder if the wolves didn't read something else in that as well.

Random thoughts - feel OK about CW. Not sure a wolf moves off a villager onto another villager that late to draw attention to himself. Not a huge feel OK, but something none the less. Would feel better if there wasn't a random lynch chance in the tiebreaker rules, as that would mean a wolf has a motivation to avoid a tie but still. Doesn't smell like a wolf move.

Other than that, meh. Day 1 sucks. McKerney should have revealed late and hope the wolves weren't around to put a NK in but I'm not sure how much he was around.

[CrimsonFox]

I knew I shoulda kept my vote on that damnable Llama! He is the natural enemy of both Yak and Moose alike!


Just saw this. Love it. GOLD!

[The Jackal]

vote ntn

[The Jackal]

Sorry I wasn't around last night, I went straight from one job to the other and my phone was out of battery.

NTN's timing and tone struck me the most in my first read of the posts so far.

[Autumn]

Nothing struck me really yesterday other than CF being CF. After some coffee I'll look back over things and the votes and see.

[Coffee Warlord]

You called?

[Autumn]

Day One

jackal votes mckerney
1
zinto votes jackal
1-1
CW votes CF
1-1-1
CF votes chief
1-1-1-1
autumn votes bhlloy
1-1-1-1-1
bhlloy votes cf
2-1-1-1-1
ntn votes mckerney
2-2-1-1-1
mckerney votes ntn
2-2-1-1-1-1
darth votes chief rum
2-2-2-1-1-1
chief votes CF
3-2-2-1-1-1
danny votes jackal
3-2-2-2-1-1
henry votes mckerney
3-3-2-2-1-1
autumn unvotes bhlloy
3-3-2-2-1
autumn votes chief
3-3-3-2-1
zinto unvotes jackal
3-3-3-1-1
zinto votes mckerney
4-3-3-1-1
danny unvotes jackal
4-3-3-1
danny votes chief
4-4-3-1
mauboy votes mckerney
5-4-3-1
coffee unvotes cf
5-4-2-1
coffee votes mckerney
6-4-2-1

[Coffee Warlord]

Random thoughts - feel OK about CW. Not sure a wolf moves off a villager onto another villager that late to draw attention to himself. Not a huge feel OK, but something none the less. Would feel better if there wasn't a random lynch chance in the tiebreaker rules, as that would mean a wolf has a motivation to avoid a tie but still. Doesn't smell like a wolf move.

For what it's worth, the random lynch on the tie is even more harmful to the village. It's an EXTRA lynch, not a replacement. Statistically, it very much favors the wolves to force a tie, especially if it's villager/villager and early in game (suspicion aside). You off one villager for sure, and get a random chance to off another.

[Coffee Warlord]

4 Chief Rum: CrimsonFox (60), Darth Vilus (82) Autumn (99), Danny (111)
2/3 CrimsonFox: CW (Until I moved late), bhlloy (70), Chief Rum (88)

I'm focusing on these two blocks today. Keep in mind, it was 4/4/3 for the majority of the evening, till I moved my vote - so Chief, CF, and Mckerney were all effectively on the block. We know CF is good now, so he'da been an easy place to park one wolf. I'm sure mckerney has one parked on him as well, but that's harder to look through.

This makes me lean early towards bhlloy or Chief being bad.

[Autumn]

I think Chief has to be looked at, just to clear up voting. There's a real possibility we don't have a seer in this game, based on the way JAG introduced the roles, so I don't want to assume that people who are involved in the voting will eventually be scanned.

I don't think anyone looks good yet. I don't see any reason a wolf CW doesn't move off CF to Mckerney, particularly since he knows CF will be offed and will come up good.

My son is talking in my ear, so I can't really go back through and read yet. But at the moment I'm leaning Chief just to find out more about the vote.

[Danny]

vote jackal

[Coffee Warlord]

Danny with the drive by randomness!

[Autumn]

I'll put my vote where my mouth is for the moment, until I get a chance to go back and read.

<b>vote chief rum</b>

[henry296]

I tend to agree with Autumn/CW that we need to learn Chief Rum's allegience sooner rather than later.

However, Danny's vote for Jackal is interesting because I was thinking about the Jackal voters or Jackal himself. At one point Jackal was in the mix with two votes and then Zinto and Danny unvoted him. When Danny unvotes Jackal he creates the tie with CR and mckerney.

[bhlloy]

So was up until 2 and back at it at 5:45am with work so I'm not going to be around much this morning either. Hopefully get some time late afternoon to take this all in.

And yeah, I know I'd never buy this excuse fr someone else but it is what it is :p

[bhlloy]

For what it's worth, the random lynch on the tie is even more harmful to the village. It's an EXTRA lynch, not a replacement. Statistically, it very much favors the wolves to force a tie, especially if it's villager/villager and early in game (suspicion aside). You off one villager for sure, and get a random chance to off another.

Just a quick "I disagree" here. Yes, the odds favor a villager lynch but as a wolf I'm not taking that chance because there are much fewer of me. Playing wolf is all about controlling the game. Just my 2 cents

Why are you arguin against me trying to say I trust you anyway? Lol

[Coffee Warlord]

Just a quick "I disagree" here. Yes, the odds favor a villager lynch but as a wolf I'm not taking that chance because there are much fewer of me. Playing wolf is all about controlling the game. Just my 2 cents

Why are you arguin against me trying to say I trust you anyway? Lol

Not really arguing against you, just stimulating conversation. Different perspectives and all. Amazingly, I have actually been known to be wrong during WW games. ;)

[Coffee Warlord]

There's a real possibility we don't have a seer in this game, based on the way JAG introduced the roles, so I don't want to assume that people who are involved in the voting will eventually be scanned.

Given that all the wolves have a special power of some sort, I'm of the opinion there is more than likely a seer, just from a balance standpoint.

[JAG]

Day 2 voting as of post 164:

1 Chief Rum: Autumn (160)
1 ntndeacon: The Jackal (150)
1 The Jackal: Danny (158)

[Chief Rum]

Day One was a complete waste. I'm just a regular ole smelly villager, folks.

That means we managed to put up three complete villagers and no wolves up for the vote yesterday. Yay us.

All you will learn from lynching me is that you have learned nothing.

But as I said yesterday, other than the missed opportunity of lynching an actual wolf, you don't lose anything by lynching me, except for my amazing ability to clear any room I enter.

[ntndeacon]

Given that all the wolves have a special power of some sort, I'm of the opinion there is more than likely a seer, just from a balance standpoint.

Except one of the powers is a net loss for the wolves. As the Black knights power is to get killed if they try to kill Arthur.

However, I can't imagine there isn't a seer.

[Coffee Warlord]

That's just what the Black Knight WANTS you to think. HE ALWAYS TRIUMPHS!

[ntndeacon]

He will bite your knees off

[Autumn]

Roles: Note that all roles may not be present, the only guaranteed role is King Arthur. And I mean that. Also, wolves will know one role that is not in the game.

This statement is what makes me think there might not be a seer ... even when all roles are not in game everyone always assumes there's a seer, so JAG's emphasis makes me think there's a chance there may not be - the other roles wouldn't really be a surprise to not be in the game (unless there's no wolves!)

Also, I didn't notice the last part on my first reading, but there's a chance of a fake reveal, it seems, we should keep in mind.

[Coffee Warlord]

So, while we're at various tangents here, back to topic...

Does anyone have any better ideas for a lynch today?

[Autumn]

No, not really. I don't think Day 1 voting is going to tell us a whole lot in isolation, and so I'm voting for Chief simply because that's a vote that will add the most info going forward. I haven't gotten any great intuitions by reading posts, so I don't know what else to do.

[Coffee Warlord]

Okay, how about...

WTF Danny?

editing to add: I seem to recall he often does that, and I often ask this very same question every time he does.

[Darth Vilus]

Hate to vote and run but I gotta head to work again. I'd be really happy with a Danny/Chief Rum roll off to be honest, that's me 2 cents

[Darth Vilus]

Vote Chief Rum

I'd like to know where he stands and Danny's votes are always a little different when he's a wolf. I think he voted Jackal early to help swing attention in a direction that the wolves would prefer.

[Darth Vilus]

Oh and I'm voting Rum over Danny because we already have 3 candidates and one of them is Rum. Just FYI my peeps

[Darth Vilus]

Alrighty, I'm heading out. Good luck fellas

[Coffee Warlord]

I'd like to get at least one more person front and center here, and not a pile onto CR. Gonna be putting my vote in before I leave for home (< 1 hour).

[Danny]

Okay, how about...

WTF Danny?

editing to add: I seem to recall he often does that, and I often ask this very same question every time he does.


Pretty easy explanation here. Jackal had a rwally early vote o him but garneres no support at all, i think there is a gpod chance a wolf jimpsd on him if he was a billager there. And again today no wolf jumping on jackal.

[Danny]

And id almost guarentee we have a seer.

[Danny]

I think chief is a villager and will not e voting him today. And agai i feel he was likely scanned or should be anyway. And i dont buy the no seer argument

[Danny]

Oh and this is a small game if a wolf catches a wplf he shiuld reveal

[Autumn]

Wow, Danny. Are you posting from a telegraph machine?

[Coffee Warlord]

Vote Danny

I have no particular desire to get a pile on CR going, the other two candidates only have one vote apiece, and there's a ton of people left to vote.

And Danny's just acting weird.

[Chief Rum]

Just had a thought...

We lynched one of three candidates. The wolves killed one of the other two candidates, leaving just one from the Day One voting, me.

I am curious, why would the hypothetical wolf me put the focus so squarely on me by killing the other living candidate up for consideration on Day One?

CF would have been a logical other candidate to go after in addition to me today.

Even if you think I am being particularly devious as a wolf and am playing a double blind right now (doing the "obvious" wolf move, so I can't possibly be a wolf, etc. etc.), you know that won't hold up more than a day or so before people lynch me to rule me out once and for all. Being a candidate on Day One is almost always a short term death sentence in WW, even if you survive that day.

So why would I as a wolf eliminate my only likely voting competition?

[The Jackal]

I'm pretty sure there is a seer

[The Jackal]

Bit slow today eh? I still have a weird feeling about NTN's vote post, but we'll see what happens

[Zinto]

Wow, Danny. Are you posting from a telegraph machine?


As I catch up this made me laugh!

[Zinto]

I agree there is a seer. I was a wolf in Jags last game and he had a similar rule set up and there was a seer in that game. Honestly giving the wolves a seer role to fake reveal seems at least to me unbalanced.

[Zinto]

If I am a wolf Autumn I kill Crimson. When I looked back at Crimsons posts he doesn't really specifically mention anyone else and in the past Crimson would start going after Autumn a lot as the game goes on.

[Zinto]

The only problem I have with voting Autumn at this point in my mind I am not sure a wolf would argue against a seer in the game. It is odd and makes him a target of "what the heck is he talking about" votes.

[Zinto]

I am just going to go with it so...

Vote Autumn

[Danny]

Wow, Danny. Are you posting from a telegraph machine?

lol, from my iphone with auto correct off.

[Danny]

Vote Danny
And Danny's just acting weird.

Some in depth analysis there. I actually have a solid case for voting Jackal (well, as solid as we can have at this point) and laid it out (though in iphone rush posting format) for you.

[Danny]

I agree there is a seer. I was a wolf in Jags last game and he had a similar rule set up and there was a seer in that game. Honestly giving the wolves a seer role to fake reveal seems at least to me unbalanced.

Yes, it would be heavily imbalanced in a game this small. I am going with the thought that there is 99% for sure a seer.

[Danny]

Early read is Zinto is definitely a villager. He plays tighter as a wolf and I don't think he throws out an Autumn vote there as a wolf. Likely instead he jumps on a candidate already with a vote.

[CrimsonFox]

Ni!

[Danny]

lol, from my iphone with auto correct off.

Oh and Darth can attest how awful my typing is from the iphone with auto correct off. But I was sick and tired of having to type the same freaking word 10 times and each time have it changed because surely when I type SUPERBOWL I must be wanting to type Super Owl

[mauchow]

The only problem I have with voting Autumn at this point in my mind I am not sure a wolf would argue against a seer in the game. It is odd and makes him a target of "what the heck is he talking about" votes.

I see this as flipped around for me. To me it seems weird that he's talking about if there is/is not seer in the game. It just seems like more talk to deter from what we're trying to accomplish and that's to lynch wolves. That's the way I read it anyway. When I started to read his comments I was getting pings.

EDIT: I misread the rest of what you wrote - I left my original paragraph up, but I want to clarify in this edit, because I can. For some reason I thought Zinto was saying a reason why he wouldn't be a wolf - but then I didn't see that he voted for Autumn soon after. I need to work on my reading comprehension.

[JAG]

Day 2 voting as of post 200:

2 Chief Rum: Autumn (160), DV (176)
1 Autumn: Zinto (193)
1 Danny: CW (185)
1 ntndeacon: The Jackal (150)
1 The Jackal: Danny (158)

I won't be around much for the next hour plus

[Zinto]

I see this as flipped around for me. To me it seems weird that he's talking about if there is/is not seer in the game. It just seems like more talk to deter from what we're trying to accomplish and that's to lynch wolves. That's the way I read it anyway. When I started to read his comments I was getting pings.

EDIT: I misread the rest of what you wrote - I left my original paragraph up, but I want to clarify in this edit, because I can. For some reason I thought Zinto was saying a reason why he wouldn't be a wolf - but then I didn't see that he voted for Autumn soon after. I need to work on my reading comprehension.


That is a reason I thought Autumn would not be a wolf if I am reading what you are saying right but then I decided I didn't have anyone better to vote for so I still voted there.

[mauchow]

Okay, then I am having a wtf moment. lol

[Zinto]

We need some consolidation and for the rest of the people to vote soon here or it is going to be a messy end to the day.

[Zinto]

And if Autumn does not show up again here soon I am going to move my vote since I do not want another rolled player going down without defending their selves.

[mauchow]

vote autumn

[Autumn]

There could be worse things than voting me off. But I still don't think it's a good vote.

I'm not sure how a wolf would/would not benefit from theorizing about whether hter'es a seer. I think this is a typical case of "latch onto something" syndrome. JAG made absolutely clear in his rules that there's a possibility that there is no seer in this game. That's all I'm saying. Since I would like to find out if Chief is a wolf, and since I'm not 100% certain there's a seer (and if there is we don't 100% know they're going to scan him) I think it's a useful vote.

Frankly, I'm not crazy about voting just based on candidates yesterday, I usually like to have more. But so far I haven't had the luck/time to find anything better.

[Danny]

I would vote autumn

[henry296]

I'm on the side of there is a seer, but if there wasn't I doubt that would be the role the wolves new wasn't in there.

As for tonight's vote, I'd prefer to get more clarity around last night's vote.

vote Chief Rum

[Zinto]

There could be worse things than voting me off. But I still don't think it's a good vote.

I'm not sure how a wolf would/would not benefit from theorizing about whether hter'es a seer. I think this is a typical case of "latch onto something" syndrome. JAG made absolutely clear in his rules that there's a possibility that there is no seer in this game. That's all I'm saying. Since I would like to find out if Chief is a wolf, and since I'm not 100% certain there's a seer (and if there is we don't 100% know they're going to scan him) I think it's a useful vote.

Frankly, I'm not crazy about voting just based on candidates yesterday, I usually like to have more. But so far I haven't had the luck/time to find anything better.

Like I said you saying that there may not be a a seer hints more towards a villager than a wolf. Honestly I wouldn't vote for you if it was just based upon that.

[Autumn]

I'm on the side of there is a seer, but if there wasn't I doubt that would be the role the wolves new wasn't in there.

I definitely agree there. But I don't think JAG words it the way he does if he wasn't thinking seriously about not having a seer.

Anyway, the only reason I mentioned that possibility is that in the past I've argued for not lynching yesterday's near-lynch, since it's more efficient to let the seer scan them. I figured if I didn't mention my thought process someone would be like "oh ho, autumn usually doesn't do this".

[Autumn]

If I am a wolf Autumn I kill Crimson. When I looked back at Crimsons posts he doesn't really specifically mention anyone else and in the past Crimson would start going after Autumn a lot as the game goes on.

Oh I also feel the need to point out that CrimsonFox comes after me every single game. So #1, I'd have to kill him every game i'm a wolf, which just doesn't work, and #2 I don't really have to worry about him coming after me, if I am a wolf, since people know he always does it.

I am curious why they chose CF though. I read back through his posts and didn't see much of anything. He said he thought someone was a villager, so maybe they thought that was through a role somehow, but that seems thin. He voted Chief, is the only other thing.

[ntndeacon]

well I need to go ahead and throw my vote out there since I will be gone til after the deadline... Better to not get the tie.

Vote Chief Rum

[Coffee Warlord]

Well, now it's 4 for CR, and nobody else with more than 1. Not exactly the best for information gathering.

[Autumn]

I think I have two, CW

[Autumn]

jackal votes ntn
1
danny votes jackal
1-1
autumn votes chief
1-1-1
darth votes chief
2-1-1
coffee votes danny
2-1-1-1
zinto votes autumn
2-1-1-1-1
mauboy votes autumn
2-2-1-1-1
henry votes chief
3-2-1-1-1
ntn votes chief
4-2-1-1-1

[Chief Rum]

Sigh...okay, guess I need to reveal...

[Chief Rum]

I am a stinky peasant.

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..

..

Oh wait, you guys all know this already. Hrm, you're also not likely to find any value in this role.

You guys are gonna kill me, ain't ya?

[Coffee Warlord]

Would you say....you were being oppressed?

[Chief Rum]

I guess I will vote Autumn. I don't know that he's a wolf, but I know I am not, and he's the only other player with multiple votes.

VOTE AUTUMN

[Chief Rum]

Would you say....you were being oppressed?

Honestly, with the stench I bring to bear, you all are more likely to be depressed. I should invent deodorant. Wait, what good will that do? The French will just steal it from me.

Oh wait, no, they won't.

[Chief Rum]

Depressed, oppressed, whatever.

[bhlloy]

Finally home. Not the greatest week to have to do on-call

Seems like my choices are to push CR further ahead or tie him up with Autumn? Yuck. Guess that's what you get for voting an hour before deadline. Let me go through the thread and gather my thoughts.

[Autumn]

Well, I don't think Chief either creates or dispels any suspicion with his "reveal". Looking back over the day, as I consider other suspects, two come to mind.

Mauboy, who seems happy to vote me following Zinto, despite not quite understanding Zinto's points. I find Mauboy tends to play follow the leader as a wolf.

Coffee Warlord would be the other one I would look at. It seemed as soon as someone said they liked his vote last night he suddenly grew much more vocal and taking a front seat on the conversations. Yet is reluctant to vote Chief, which would be interesting if one of them turns up bad.

Not really enough to gain a vote, but then again what is this early?

[Autumn]

I will just go ahead and "reveal" as my role is neither useful, nor proveable. I am Prince Herbert, and with Lancelot out of the game, I don't have any ability any more. So there's no reason to avoid voting me, I guess is what I'm saying, despite my role.

[bhlloy]

Sorry Chief, I don't buy Autumn especially with that reveal which is pointless for a wolf to make and lynching you does tell us something (if little) about day 1

Vote CR

[mauchow]

Are you even in the lead?

[Coffee Warlord]

Coffee Warlord would be the other one I would look at. It seemed as soon as someone said they liked his vote last night he suddenly grew much more vocal and taking a front seat on the conversations. Yet is reluctant to vote Chief, which would be interesting if one of them turns up bad.

At the risk of looking overly defensive, I at least think I've been pretty vocal throughout, when I'm around.

As for Chief, I originally brought him up. What I haven't been thrilled with was how many people rapidly jumped on him. Hence the reason I haven't voted him.

[henry296]

I will just go ahead and "reveal" as my role is neither useful, nor proveable. I am Prince Herbert, and with Lancelot out of the game, I don't have any ability any more. So there's no reason to avoid voting me, I guess is what I'm saying, despite my role.

That makes sense given your position yesterday about which paired roles where in the game.

[Autumn]

At the risk of looking overly defensive, I at least think I've been pretty vocal throughout, when I'm around.

As for Chief, I originally brought him up. What I haven't been thrilled with was how many people rapidly jumped on him. Hence the reason I haven't voted him.

I don't know that I'd call it rapid. I think I was the only vote on him for most of the day. It seemed even back then you were wary of a pile-on, despite hardly any votes being cast. You may have just been reading the currents, I'll give you, but it seemed a bit preemptive.

[Coffee Warlord]

I *am* wary of a pile on. I'd rather see day 2 establish at least 2 viable candidates. I suppose you qualify as the second at this point, but it took quite a bit longer to develop, mainly due to just timing of players online/voting.

[JAG]

Day 2 voting as of post 231:

5 Chief Rum: Autumn (160), DV (176), henry296 (209), ntndeacon (213), bhlloy (226)
3 Autumn: Zinto (193), mauboy1 (206), Chief Rum (220)
1 Danny: CW (185)
1 ntndeacon: The Jackal (150)
1 The Jackal: Danny (158)

[The Jackal]

Well, my vote is useless right now. I tend to see both of those reveals as being legit. Are we set on Chief?

[mauchow]

If I'm to believe Autumn and want to put my vote elsewhere, where would I go? ntn had a few votes yesterday. Danny I'll likely stay away from for now. Jackal?

Somebody not voted upon?

[mauchow]

Well, my vote is useless right now. I tend to see both of those reveals as being legit. Are we set on Chief?

Both? What is the other reveal?

[Danny]

Looks like no jackal support. I will be flipping to autumn mostlikely and yes i saw his reveal

[Danny]

I just really feel cr is a villager. I am in support of a 3rd candidate more than the top two. Obviously i like jackal

[The Jackal]

Both? What is the other reveal?

I suppose there was a reveal and a "reveal". Just meant Chief saying he's a vanilla.

[Zinto]

I don't necessarily buy Autumn's reveal since the role he claimed is one of the three I could see not being in the game. I do not like Chief right now though so I a am stuck in no mans land.

[The Jackal]

Nothing wrong with me as a candidate. Early vote on mckerney who was obviously one of the important guys, haven't been around much to contribute. I can see why you're looking my way Danny.

[Zinto]

Oh I also feel the need to point out that CrimsonFox comes after me every single game. So #1, I'd have to kill him every game i'm a wolf, which just doesn't work, and #2 I don't really have to worry about him coming after me, if I am a wolf, since people know he always does it.

I am curious why they chose CF though. I read back through his posts and didn't see much of anything. He said he thought someone was a villager, so maybe they thought that was through a role somehow, but that seems thin. He voted Chief, is the only other thing.


I understand that going after CF every game would be terrible for you as a wolf. I am struggling to see why the wolves would kill him though. He usually plays weird enough that as the game goes on people end up voting for him even though he is being himself.

[Zinto]

Nothing wrong with me as a candidate. Early vote on mckerney who was obviously one of the important guys, haven't been around much to contribute. I can see why you're looking my way Danny.

Plus you are always a wolf.

[The Jackal]

Plus you are always a wolf.

Yeah, there's that too!

[Autumn]

I understand that going after CF every game would be terrible for you as a wolf. I am struggling to see why the wolves would kill him though. He usually plays weird enough that as the game goes on people end up voting for him even though he is being himself.

I agree, I don't know why they did. I wouldn't kill him as a wolf, but obviously that doesn't mean much to say.

[Zinto]

I understand that going after CF every game would be terrible for you as a wolf. I am struggling to see why the wolves would kill him though. He usually plays weird enough that as the game goes on people end up voting for him even though he is being himself.


What I mean is he is usually a good person to keep around if he is not a wolf since he is an easy target to vote for.

[Zinto]

Screw it I will go back to where I was yesterday.

Unvote Autumn
Vote Jackal

[Autumn]

Pretty easy explanation here. Jackal had a rwally early vote o him but garneres no support at all, i think there is a gpod chance a wolf jimpsd on him if he was a billager there. And again today no wolf jumping on jackal.

Looking to see your rationale here, Danny. There's no reason for a wolf to jump on him unless we had a wolf in the voting, no?

zinto votes jackal
1-1
CW votes CF
1-1-1
CF votes chief
1-1-1-1
autumn votes bhlloy
1-1-1-1-1
bhlloy votes cf
2-1-1-1-1
ntn votes mckerney
2-2-1-1-1
mckerney votes ntn
2-2-1-1-1-1
darth votes chief rum
2-2-2-1-1-1
chief votes cF
3-2-2-1-1-1
danny votes jackal
3-2-2-2-1-1

You believe Chief is a villager. We know CF and Mckerney are. So unless you think bhlloy or NTN are, what about this makes Jackal look bad? Or am I misunderstanding you?

[Danny]

Looking to see your rationale here, Danny. There's no reason for a wolf to jump on him unless we had a wolf in the voting, no?

zinto votes jackal
1-1
CW votes CF
1-1-1
CF votes chief
1-1-1-1
autumn votes bhlloy
1-1-1-1-1
bhlloy votes cf
2-1-1-1-1
ntn votes mckerney
2-2-1-1-1
mckerney votes ntn
2-2-1-1-1-1
darth votes chief rum
2-2-2-1-1-1
chief votes cF
3-2-2-1-1-1
danny votes jackal
3-2-2-2-1-1

You believe Chief is a villager. We know CF and Mckerney are. So unless you think bhlloy or NTN are, what about this makes Jackal look bad? Or am I misunderstanding you?

I believe Zinto is likely a villager which means the two or three wolves didn't touch him. It is certainly possible that wolves decided to jump on other candidates besides Jackal as there were other options. However, I'd say it's more likely a wolf does in fact jump on him at some point than not.

[Autumn]

I guess I could see that if there weren't other players who also got not second votes. Bhlloy and NTN also had no one jump on them. I guess I don't know the times of those votes, but it seems they all had plenty of time to have someone jump on them. I can agree that we had unusual spread in the votes though, which could mean a wolf or two in the mix there.

[Danny]

I could vote bhlloy. For ntn, I know I feel bad voting him day 1 right now cause he was pretty much getting day 1 or 2 voted out for several games in a row. Its possible others feel the same. I would vote him over the current candidates though.