Breakout Kings: Werewolf Style (Game over - village wins)

[Autumn]

um...aren't we ALL unknown?

Not if you're here to reveal.

[JAG]

Vote Julio

[Passacaglia]

My battery is low, so let me get this out of the way now, in case it dies.

UNVOTE DANNY
VOTE DARTH VILUS

Pass is here to save the day!

[CrimsonFox]

seriously, if people are waiting for something to happen, like the second coming of Santa or something, forget it. Move where you want to move now. No one is going to magically show at the last minute. That just doesn't happen.

[JAG]

Darn it.

Unvote bhlloy
Vote Julio

I'm cool with killing a potential convert D1.

[CrimsonFox]

Pass is Mighty Mouse! I knew it!

[Passacaglia]

Vote Julio

Dude, you come in here with 10 minutes left in a 4-4 tie vote, and vote for someone with 2 votes?

Anyone seen JAG's balls?

[bhlloy]

I don't buy the Narc over anybody else btw. If he revealed when he leaves every time he gets a couple votes by 2pm on day one, there'd be no point in him playing. I don't think he's any more or less likely to be wolf than anyone else.

At least he contributes when it's not midnight in his country

[Autumn]

I'm going to move to Narc if people are going to choose Darth over Julio or Bhlloy.

[CrimsonFox]

Darth Vilus 5 - Jackal (80), Chubby (131) britrock (221) bhlloy (224) Passacaglia (253),
Danny 3 - Chief Rum (103), Julio Ridols (178) GoldenEagle (229)
Narcizo 3 - LSG (132) Zinto (187) CrimsonFox(227)
Julio Ridols 3 - Autumn (144), Danny (157) JAG (255)
Bhlloy 2 - Narcizo (109),
The Jackal 1 - Darth Vilus (108)

[Passacaglia]

I'm going to move to Narc if people are going to choose Darth over Julio or Bhlloy.

Okay. He's only three votes down, but good call.

[Passacaglia]

Oh, my bad, two votes down.

[EagleFan]

As of 257:

Darth Vilus 5 - Jackal (80), Chubby (131), britrock88 (221), bhlloy (224), Passacaglia (253)
Danny 3 - Chief Rum (103), Julio Ridols (178), GoldenEagle (229)
Narcizo 3 - LSG (132), Zinto (187), CrimsonFox (227)
Julio Ridols 3 - Autumn (144), Danny (157), JAG (255)
Bhlloy 1 - Narcizo (109)
The Jackal 1 - Darth Vilus (108)

[LoneStarGirl]

I wanted to watch and see what happens and move my vote if need be, but doesn't look like there is much of a need.

[GoldenEagle]

Dude, you come in here with 10 minutes left in a 4-4 tie vote, and vote for someone with 2 votes?

Anyone seen JAG's balls?

That is a very odd vote.

[Autumn]

I don't think voting Darth is a good call, Pass. We are very aware that he could very well have a role. If we kill off a roled villager in this ruleset, I think we're toast. It's just not a good play. Tomorrow, we start voting him in the morning, and he has all day to realize he's in trouble.

[Autumn]

That is a very odd vote.

If you read it, he's suggesting Julio may have been the convert possibility, signalling to the wolves. At least that's a reason to vote someone.

[Autumn]

<b>unvote julio riddols
vote narcizo</b>

[JAG]

Dude, you come in here with 10 minutes left in a 4-4 tie vote, and vote for someone with 2 votes?

Anyone seen JAG's balls?

Maybe I think your candidates suck and hope some of the other 10 in thread will agree.

[CrimsonFox]

Darth Vilus 5 - Jackal (80), Chubby (131) britrock (221) bhlloy (224) Passacaglia (253),
Danny 3 - Chief Rum (103), Julio Ridols (178) GoldenEagle (229)
Narcizo 4 - LSG (132) Zinto (187) CrimsonFox(227) Autumn (268),
Julio Ridols 2 - Danny (157) JAG (255)
Bhlloy 2 - Narcizo (109),
The Jackal 1 - Darth Vilus (108)

[Autumn]

That's all I can do to help. My wife is waiting for me. I think anyone who's had a chance to reveal is a better call than Darth.

[bhlloy]

I don't think voting Darth is a good call, Pass. We are very aware that he could very well have a role. If we kill off a roled villager in this ruleset, I think we're toast. It's just not a good play. Tomorrow, we start voting him in the morning, and he has all day to realize he's in trouble.

So if you were Narc, you would reveal at 2pm just because you have a vote or two?

[Autumn]

So if you were Narc, you would reveal at 2pm just because you have a vote or two?

I would not say "go ahead and vote me off if you need to, I know I won't be there"

[bhlloy]

Yeah it's a good point, I had forgotten about that

[CrimsonFox]

It's all up to LSG!

[LoneStarGirl]

Looks like darth for the win....kind of surprised it ended this way. I'm not used to people voting for silent players.

[EagleFan]

deadine

[CrimsonFox]

*rolls the dice* cmon no whammies no whammies....

[britrock88]

Ugh, caught Autumn's switch at 10:01. I would gladly have followed if I had read it in time.

[JAG]

That sucks. I feel bad for DV to have this happen early twice in two games.

[CrimsonFox]

He could be the duke. BUt he probably didn't give an order if so.

[EagleFan]

Everyone is on edge after it finally starts to set in that Charlie has been killed. Some are in denial for much longer than others but it all seems real now.

The first thing that comes to mind is revenge, bloodlust that many feel, a rage felt deep to the soul. Someone must pay for Charlie's death!

You begin to search and after enough debate you feel that Darth Vilus MUST be responsible. We must stop him from killing again!

You stalk him down and catch him. Arrest him!!!

NO!!!!!

Arresting him won't bring Charlie back! He must die!

What?!?!? That's not in the script???? Is it?

Soon mob mentality takes over and before you know if Darth is no longer moving. You search his lifeless body and find nothing but a shopping list. It looks like he was buying the ingredients to bake a cake. That doesn;t sound like something a runner would do...


Darth Vilus was a vanilla villager (citizen).

[EagleFan]

Processing the night results, this may take a couple.

[CrimsonFox]

What? Charlie is dead? When did that happen!





;)

[GoldenEagle]

I kinda feel bad for DV. That is back to back day 1 kills, right? At least he was not the seer this time.

[bhlloy]

No, he made it to day 4 last time without telling us anything

[CrimsonFox]

Pass! You saved us from the yogurt DV was going to buy! My hero! How can we ever repay you?

[CrimsonFox]

No, he made it to day 4 last time without telling us anything

It was day 3 actually and he didn't receive the seer role until night 1. But the rest is accurate.

[EagleFan]

Night turns to day and the world continues to crumble around you. There is a body laying on the ground, one that looks quite familiar.

You start to search the body and realize it was JAG. Then you see more. He had an arrest record bt he is not a runner. No, he is a Breakout King.

He was Lloyd Lowery!

Time to start your next day. Where do you go from here. The streak of bad luck for the village cannot continue?


JAG has been nightkilled and was Lloyd Lowery.

[EagleFan]

Day Two has begun!

[CrimsonFox]

okay that sucks.

[bhlloy]

if there's one role that is less painful yadda yadda yadda. Still sucks.

I will say that was a direction I was thinking of going in tomorrow. I also wonder what that means for Julio, as JAG was very definitely on him as the convert.

[JAG]

Good luck village.

[CrimsonFox]

it's tyketime! GET HIM!

[LoneStarGirl]

In hindsight it strikes me as odd that pass told JAG he had no balls for voting for Julio. Definitely something I'll be considering when placing my day two vote.

[LoneStarGirl]

and Pass put the final nail in DVs coffin...

[Passacaglia]

Pass! You saved us from the yogurt DV was going to buy! My hero! How can we ever repay you?

I bet it was blueberry. Replace it with a good flavor like peach, and you're okay in my book.

[Passacaglia]

and Pass put the final nail in DVs coffin...

That's how I roll. No use having a coffin with all the nails in it but one.

[Passacaglia]

In hindsight it strikes me as odd that pass told JAG he had no balls for voting for Julio. Definitely something I'll be considering when placing my day two vote.

What strikes you as odd about it?

[Danny]

Wow, so why did the votes trend away from BH and Julio?

[Autumn]

Wow, so why did the votes trend away from BH and Julio?

Because people hate you more.

[CrimsonFox]

whoa! Danny is alive!

[GoldenEagle]

JAG also made a point about BH I believe when he was suggesting that Julio could be the convert.

[Autumn]

if there's one role that is less painful yadda yadda yadda. Still sucks.

I will say that was a direction I was thinking of going in tomorrow. I also wonder what that means for Julio, as JAG was very definitely on him as the convert.

I thought JAG was about as villager-ish as you could get day one, I'm not sure what would make you look at him. But in a curious twist of fate, I'm thinking of voting you day two ;-)

[Autumn]

The question is how clever/veteran are the wolves? did they kill JAG to make Julio seem bad, or to keep him off thier tracks? If Julio really was the convert, the wolves would have just converted him rather than killing JAG. Not to mention they wouldn't know whether or not Julio really was the convert or not. So I think it's pretty likely they're just screwing with us, and taking out a good villager at the same time.

[Autumn]

Off to bed. Say hi to Narc for me West Coasters!

[Danny]

I'm not really big on letting Julio and BH off the hook here. Pending more info, my votes likely goes in that direction.

[Danny]

The question is how clever/veteran are the wolves? did they kill JAG to make Julio seem bad, or to keep him off thier tracks? If Julio really was the convert, the wolves would have just converted him rather than killing JAG. Not to mention they wouldn't know whether or not Julio really was the convert or not. So I think it's pretty likely they're just screwing with us, and taking out a good villager at the same time.

Maybe they thought Jag was signalling the wolves that he was the convert.

[Danny]

Because people hate you more.

Apparently so! I almost got lynched!

[Danny]

Im not even waiting.

Vote Julio

[Danny]

I doubt my vote will change.

[Zinto]

Completely forgot about the game, but I am not a fan of sending someone off to their death when they say they are not going to be on, especially right after it burned the village so badly last game. That being said, things could have gone much worse.

[Danny]

And I don't necessarily buy into the Jag's theory about Julio being the convert. I think he's a full out wolf.

[Zinto]

Wow, so why did the votes trend away from BH and Julio?


I moved off bhlloy because it was clear that momentum had shifted away from him. There was no way that he was getting lynched and probably would not have been in the running with how I viewed things as going.

[Danny]

Ok, I'll have to go back and see how movement got started, but I don't like the feeling of how the candidates went from bh and julio when I left to Narc and DV in the final vote

[CrimsonFox]

I'm gonna wait for Narc to sort out this mess coloriffically :)

[bhlloy]

So we have a bunch of people who conveniently weren't around at deadline telling us how they wished it would have gone? Cool

[Danny]

So we have a bunch of people who conveniently weren't around at deadline

Conveniently? That's ridiculous. I wasn't here cause I had tutoring. Im sure others not here also had things to do. We can all certainly still comment on what happened during that time.

[EagleFan]

http://youtu.be/gwjq5ZMm-eM

[Danny]

http://youtu.be/gwjq5ZMm-eM

The only thing so far that has tempted me to watch the show was the picture of Erica Reed on the first page :D

[CrimsonFox]

So we have a bunch of people who conveniently weren't around at deadline telling us how they wished it would have gone? Cool

:lol: Awesome

[EagleFan]

http://youtu.be/GoRsPTSARgw

[Danny]

I don't think Narc is a wolf. I believe there is a strong chance one of Julio and BH is, and quite possibly a wolf and a convert.

[EagleFan]

The only thing so far that has tempted me to watch the show was the picture of Erica Reed on the first page :D

That's what made me watch first. :)

Then I was hooked. Lloyd Lowery is one of the best characters on television today.

[Danny]

That's what made me watch first. :)

Then I was hooked. Lloyd Lowery is one of the best characters on television today.

But he's dead :(

I actually like that actor from when he was on Psych.

[CrimsonFox]

Damnit EF...another show I want to check out now.

Cable has the best drama shows period.

[EagleFan]

The character that I left out, T-Bag, had originally appeared in the show Prison Break.

[Danny]

Is it the same character? I watched all of Prison Break. I added the show to my netflix queue since season 1 is on instant.

[EagleFan]

Is it the same character? I watched all of Prison Break. I added the show to my netflix queue since season 1 is on instant.

Yep, same character.

[JAG]

That's what made me watch first. :)

Then I was hooked. Lloyd Lowery is one of the best characters on television today.

Yeah, after I watched that clip you showed, I really liked me. Oh well.

[Passacaglia]

So we have a bunch of people who conveniently weren't around at deadline telling us how they wished it would have gone? Cool

I probably just missed like 2 minutes before deadline, but I wish we caught a wolf.

[Darth Vilus]

Awesome day

[CrimsonFox]

Ugh, caught Autumn's switch at 10:01. I would gladly have followed if I had read it in time.

why?

[Julio Riddols]

I'm heading to bed, but lets just say I have that deja vu feeling about this one, except without the whole "are there wolves" thing from my first foray into these games. I've learned talking too much or too little makes you a target, so there's that...

I would've guessed JAG to be suspicious based on what he did there at the end, but now he is dead. I don't know what else to think except we need to stop killing each other and kill the damned bad guys for a change. Maybe I'm bad luck as a villager.

[CrimsonFox]

I think it's time Julio sees the "list" of what makes people suspicious.

[Narcizo]

I have just had a quick read through and I getting wolfy vibes from Danny. I recognise this business of being sure of people being wolves so early - I certainly don't think there's enough to warrant that certain an interpretation. I'll have to go back and look at some games where he's been a wolf. It might just be what he does as a villager and I haven't played for a long time.

Other than that ho-hum. At least role that was night killed was one who might have self-destructed.

[Narcizo]

Today's word certainly is "certain".

[Narcizo]

Now there are four people with two votes, which is way too spread out for me. Lets narrow this down a bit. Vote narciso .... He misspelled bastards.

Oh the irony.

Vote LongStarGurl

:)

[Narcizo]

I am? I've only been in thread since I woke up. Then I took a shower. Do I HAVE to spend every second here?

I thought so, yes.

[CrimsonFox]

Darth Vilus 5 - Jackal (80), Chubby (131) britrock (221) bhlloy (224) Passacaglia (253),
Danny 3 - Chief Rum (103), Julio Ridols (178) GoldenEagle (229)
Narcizo 4 - LSG (132) Zinto (187) CrimsonFox(227) Autumn (268),
Julio Ridols 2 - Danny (157) JAG (255)
Bhlloy 2 - Narcizo (109),
The Jackal 1 - Darth Vilus (108)

[Danny]

I have just had a quick read through and I getting wolfy vibes from Danny. I recognise this business of being sure of people being wolves so early - I certainly don't think there's enough to warrant that certain an interpretation. I'll have to go back and look at some games where he's been a wolf. It might just be what he does as a villager and I haven't played for a long time.

Other than that ho-hum. At least role that was night killed was one who might have self-destructed.

These days I try and play each game a little different to keep people on their toes. Initially when I played, I took a observer / objective approach and tried to measure each move. I still do that on my end, but I now like to post stuff to see how people react. I've caught many wolves after throwing out an accusation or some post that I didn't necessarily believe and seeing their reaction.

Plus it's more fun!

That said, I am satisfied with Julio's response.

Unvote Julio

Bhlloy on the other hand, I am not crazy about how he reacted to just the idea that he and Julio should be people up for consideration today.

Vote bhlloy

[CrimsonFox]

Want to look at quiet veterans today...

VOTE CHIEF RUM

[Danny]

Want to look at quiet veterans today...

VOTE CHIEF RUM

Im not switching my vote right now, but I am on board with your thinking.

[Danny]

The problem with the last game is everyone got stuck on the same group of people the entire game and the wolves were left to never ever feel pressure. They never even had to worry about making a mistake. This is not an effective way to play as a villager. I am glad to see Crimson is thinking along those lines and I am glad those who votes for me were as well (mainly Pass).

[Narcizo]

Day One

#59 04:03 Narcizo votes Passacaglia (1)
#60 05:32 JAG votes bhlloy (1)
#68 06:56 JAG unvotes bhlloy (0)
#68 06:56 JAG votes Narcizo (1)
#72 07:02 Danny votes bhlloy (1)
#80 07:35 Jackal votes Darth Vilus (1)
#88 08:44 Britrock votes CrimsonFox (1)
#91 09:31 CrimsonFox votes Narcizo (2)
#96 11:20 Bhlloy votes Julio (1)
#98 12:09 Julio votes Jackal (1)
#103 13:16 Chief Rum votes Danny (1)

#108 14:37 Darth Vilus votes Jackal (2)
#109 15:02 Narcizo unvotes Passacaglia (0)
#109 15:02 Narcizo votes Bhlloy (2)
#110 15:04 LoneStarGirl votes Jackal (3)
#117 15:16 LoneStarGirl unvotes Jackal (2)
#131 17:00 Chubby votes Darth Vilus (2)
#132 17:11 LoneStarGirl votes Narcizo (3)
#133 17:26 JAG unvotes Narcizo (2)
#133 17:26 JAG votes Julio (2)
#138 18:04 Passacaglia votes Danny (2)

#144 19:00 Autumn votes Julio (3)
#152 19:19 Zinto votes Bhlloy (3)
#156 19:33 Julio unvotes Jackal (1)
#156 19:33 Julio votes Bhlloy (4)
#157 19:37 Danny unvotes Bhlloy (3)
#157 19:37 Danny votes Julio (4)
#176 20:39 Julio unvotes Bhlloy (2)
#176 20:39 Julio votes Danny (3)
#178 20:41 JAG unvotes Julio (3)
#187 20:55 Zinto unvotes Bhlloy (1)
#187 20:55 Zinto votes Narcizo (3)
#188 20:56 Bhlloy unvotes Julio (2)
#188 20:56 Bhlloy votes CrimsonFox (2)

#196 21:13 JAG votes Bhlloy (2)
#197 21:15 CrimsonFox unvotes Narcizo (2)
#197 21:15 CrimsonFox votes Bhlloy (3)
#199 21:15 Britrock unvotes CrimsonFox (1)
#221 21:32 Britrock votes Darth Vilus (3)
#224 21:34 Bhlloy unvotes Crimson Fox (1)
#224 21:34 Bhlloy votes Darth Vilus (4)
#226 21:36 CrimsonFox unvotes Bhlloy (2)
#226 21:36 CrimsonFox votes Narcizo (3)
#229 21:39 GoldenEagle votes Danny (4)
#253 21:52 Passa unvotes Danny (3)
#253 21:52 Passa votes Darth Vilus (5)
#255 21:53 JAG unvotes Bhlloy (2)
#255 21:53 JAG votes Julio (3)
#268 21:57 Autumn unvotes Julio (2)
#268 21:57 Autumn votes Narcizo (4)

Darth Vilus 5 - Jackal (80), Chubby (131), britrock (221), bhlloy (224), Passacaglia (253)
Danny 3 - Chief Rum (103), Julio Ridols (178) GoldenEagle (229)
Narcizo 4 - LSG (132), Zinto (187), CrimsonFox(227), Autumn (268)
Julio Ridols 2 - Danny (157), JAG (255)
Bhlloy 2 - Narcizo (109)
The Jackal 1 - Darth Vilus (108)

[CrimsonFox]

...and the crowd goes wild!
:party:

[Narcizo]

Woh! You guys nearly took my day one lynch virginity. Bostards!

And as Autumn pointed out, you really should have lynched me instead of Darth. Makes me dubious of bhlloy and Passa.

Don't buy Julio killing JAG because of what he said. I don't think a team of wolves would be that obvious. Perhaps they thought that JAG was the pyscho or something, or wanted to frame Julio (which would be the beginner move, in my opinion. I actually think a veteran wolf is more likely target JAG if Julio is a wolf).

[Narcizo]

I agree with Crimson about Chief. A quiet Chief is a Chief that worries me. Chubby's presence was almost non-existent yesterday as well.

[Narcizo]

Bhlloy 2 - Narcizo (109)


That doesn't look right. Except I'm so awesome that my vote counts double. I copied straight from Crimson's last post, so blame him.

[Narcizo]

Ugh, caught Autumn's switch at 10:01. I would gladly have followed if I had read it in time.

Dislike this comment a lot. And not just because it would have resulted in me biting it. Smacks of covering oneself should DV turn out to have a role.

[CrimsonFox]

It's right, Narcizo. YOu're just that awesome. So I made the adjustment myself knowing that no one would argue that EF would give you 2 votes no matter what you are.

[CrimsonFox]

One thing I'm sure of is that a veteran killed JAG. He's got a lot of streetcred. Smokes the crack and everything.

[Narcizo]

Having reread things I have to say that I think bhlloy smells lupine. I don't normally get that sort of impression on day two.

1) Had an argument with Autumn about the wisdom of voting DV over me, conceded Autumn's point but didn't move his vote to me.
2) Asked JAG leading questions about Julio.
3) We get decent information from a Bhlloy lynch.
4) Some other stuff

Unvote LongStarGurl
Vote Bhlloy

[Narcizo]

I certainly don't think there's enough to warrant that certain an interpretation.

Having reread things I have to say that I think bhlloy smells lupine. I don't normally get that sort of impression on day two.


:cool:

[CrimsonFox]

Either Narcizo is right....or he isn't!

[Narcizo]

No. Either Narcizo is right or Danny is wrong.

[CrimsonFox]

Danny's alive and agreeing with me. I'm scared.

[LoneStarGirl]

My thoughts as I am rushing out the door to work.

Oh and if I misspell your name take it as a compliment that I dont care enough to look at previous posts and see its correct spelling.

I think we can all agree that Britrock88's comment about the 10:01 vote raises some concerns and appears to be him covering his ass. Maybe he's a wolf who knew DV would be a good guy?

I also wouldn't put a lot of stock in Jag's voting pattern, although I appreciate NarciZo's detailed analysis of all of our votes. Since he was on team Badass instead of a WW he didn't know the rest of the good guys and his vote was probably as random as any villager.

And it might raise some suspicion that Chief wasn't present today, but I don't think its enough to lynch him when there was enough dialog to analyze on day one.

[The Jackal]

Sorry that I was AWOL after work, got very busy in the evening with various things and it completely slipped my mind.

[Danny]

Sorry that I was AWOL after work, got very busy in the evening with various things and it completely slipped my mind.

Its ok, i think you are a villager

[CrimsonFox]

So why do people show up and say "Sorry I missed a day because of stuff" and then go away again and don't post anything else. Makes me want to vote their ass out mostly because wolves pull that all the time and villagers that do it...well it's just unhelpful.

[CrimsonFox]

And here I"m editing. Damnit. Foul on me. See what you did Jackal? You got me all riled up with my phrasing and I wasn't even thinking.

[Autumn]

CF's about to be on the receiving end of a Bull Moose Special.

[Autumn]

I'm all for bhlloy getting votes. I think there's a lot of people from yesterday that could use another look. I don't want to do a repeat though, so I'm going to back CrimsonFox up in getting other people into the limelight. The more people involved in the voting history, the harder it is for the wolves to kill anyone without helping us out.

An early vote on Danny is a safe vote by Chief, if he's a wolf. Danny's not likely to get traction ordinarily on Day One. If he does, hey great, you've just killed Danny. I'm going to throw my vote on Chief right now, though I'm going to look at quiet folks too. Day two is a great day to drag out the quiet ones.

<b>Vote CHIEF RUM</b>

[CrimsonFox]

it's been a long night. sorrys

[Autumn]

Man, somebody put some votes on Chubby too.

[CrimsonFox]

I even saw him in thread once. But nooOOooOooo. Doesn't say hi. What do I smell?

[Danny]

I'm all for bhlloy getting votes. I think there's a lot of people from yesterday that could use another look. I don't want to do a repeat though, so I'm going to back CrimsonFox up in getting other people into the limelight. The more people involved in the voting history, the harder it is for the wolves to kill anyone without helping us out.

An early vote on Danny is a safe vote by Chief, if he's a wolf. Danny's not likely to get traction ordinarily on Day One. If he does, hey great, you've just killed Danny. I'm going to throw my vote on Chief right now, though I'm going to look at quiet folks too. Day two is a great day to drag out the quiet ones.

<b>Vote CHIEF RUM</b>

In fairness to Chief, in the NHL thread, I said I was going to vote bhlloy in the next WW game because of his anti Kings comments. Chief then said he was going to vote for me because I am a Kings fan. It was still an easy way for him to bury his vote however and he never switched as I thought he was going to and I ended up doing with bh.

[CrimsonFox]

Chief is an enigma wrapped in a cipher enclosed in a turd.

[LoneStarGirl]

Vote chubby

[GoldenEagle]

I think BH is who should be looked at today but I also don't think that a runaway will help the village. I am fine with BH and Chief being lynch candidates but I would like to see some other names merge as well.

[LoneStarGirl]

I really want to see if a few votes on chubby will get him talking. I've played with him before and he knows what he's doing.

[LoneStarGirl]

Oh and fox... There's no editing in WW. Go sit in the corner.

[LoneStarGirl]

Wait, before you go sit in the corner please show me how many people have posted in this thread Crimson.

[EagleFan]

I have a vote sent to me via PM from the Werewolf Gods....

Vote CrimsonFox

[EagleFan]

Yes, that vote does count. There are penalties for breaking rules. :)

[Julio Riddols]

Ok, so this morning it seems the consensus points toward the two inactives, bhlloy, and britrock.

If I am to believe what I read, it seems like the quiet ones usually have teeth, so I feel comfy going with Chief or Chubby as well. Not sure what to make of Britrocks statement, so that is a little odd, and bhlloy had a pretty weird day yesterday as well.. But I am giving both the benefit of the doubt for now to see what they do the rest of today.

For now, I'll cast an early vote for that enigma wrapped in a turd. (I laughed exceptionally hard at this)

VOTE CHIEF

[Autumn]

Ok, so this morning it seems the consensus points toward the two inactives, bhlloy, and britrock.

Britrock? I don't see anyone voting him, or really talking about him. They're actually talking about bhlloy and you, or the inactives. it's kind of odd for you to throw britrock in there.

[Julio Riddols]

Did you not read all the stuff about how britrocks comment last night was weird? I don't think its odd to mention him, although I do think its a little early to make much out of one weird little incident.

I feel way more strongly about the other 3.

[Julio Riddols]

Actually, going back and re-reading, it was LSG's comment about him that gave me that illusion. That "I think we can all agree" must have stuck in my mind. This moves britrock even further off my suspicious list. Still, the other 3 I think make very viable options for day 2.

[Julio Riddols]

Then again maybe "I think we all can agree" is kind of a wolfy thing to say. Why would LSG project that kind of thinking when no one had really mentioned anything before that? Maybe her and the wolves agree on a target.

I'm just gonna sit back and see what happens for a bit.. I will be going on another hike today around 3 pm or so, but I will try and check in around 2 and see what has transpired. It clearly behooves us to make the right move today.

[Chief Rum]

I agree with Crimson about Chief. A quiet Chief is a Chief that worries me. Chubby's presence was almost non-existent yesterday as well.

A quiet Chief is indeed very worrisome. That is a silent and dangerous creature.

Unfortunately, this quiet Chief was merely muzzled by working two jobs. Not so dangerous a creature.

[CrimsonFox]

(from jail)
You're picking up the "backpeddling lingo" perfectly!

[CrimsonFox]

Awwwwww look at the cute little chief with his pink fluffy muzzle! Can I pet him?

[CrimsonFox]

I really should have gone to bed instead of losing my mind.

[Chief Rum]

I am an easy target. This is a win win for the wolves.

A. I am acknowledged to be a strong player.
B. I am quiet this game so far (for whatever reason)
C. Quiet players tend to be voted out to rule them out.

Given these facts, if I am a wolf, I encourage the run on citizen Chief. My vote doesn't look odd, given that Chief is being "suspiciously" quiet. If it doesn't work, I have at least introduced doubt on Chief and maybe don't need to use a night kill to kill him. If it does work, I have killed off a strong player.

[CrimsonFox]

D You post incredibly cryptically very often, until people actually question you. But that's what's unhelpful. YOu do that both as a villager and a wolf

[CrimsonFox]

You aren't being SUSPICIOUSLY quiet btw. YOu are being normally quiet and we are I think trying to break you of that habit :)

[CrimsonFox]

It's everybody's favorite pincushion, bhlloy! Morning!

[bhlloy]

I'll cast my lot in on one of the inactives, just to try and get them to talk. CR has shown up so tha leaves

Vote Chubby

As misguided as Danny is he feels like villager Danny. Narc I am not so sure. Seems like he is playing the same game as last time, which is a little concerning swing how that one ended up.

Britrock - ill give him a second game pass for now. At least he is around clos to deadline and making votes in timely manners

[CrimsonFox]

I hope you like staring, cause everyone wants to "look at you"

[Chief Rum]

Woh! You guys nearly took my day one lynch virginity. Bostards!

And as Autumn pointed out, you really should have lynched me instead of Darth. Makes me dubious of bhlloy and Passa.

Okay, now, keep in mind in reading this that Narc is referring to Autumn's post about voting for an unknown DV in the wake of seer-gate from the last game--a post before we knew DV was a citizen.

Narc's comment here is well after. Which makes me wonder how we would have been better off voting off Narc instead of DV. DV was a citizen--about as worthless as you can get in the game.

That seems like an odd thing to say to me.

[bhlloy]

Morning CF. I am feeling a little stabby today. Ouch

[Chief Rum]

D You post incredibly cryptically very often, until people actually question you. But that's what's unhelpful. YOu do that both as a villager and a wolf

Oh, do I now! :devil:

[CrimsonFox]

GE and LSG, Sick him!

[LoneStarGirl]

Actually, going back and re-reading, it was LSG's comment about him that gave me that illusion. That "I think we can all agree" must have stuck in my mind. This moves britrock even further off my suspicious list. Still, the other 3 I think make very viable options for day 2.

I don't think I was the first one to mention that Britrock was weird, Autumn maybe said something as well. I would not put him at he bottom of any list because of something I said

[CrimsonFox]

bhlloy - Danny (341) Narcizo (353)
Chief - CrimsonFox (342) Autumn (364) Julio (377)
Chubby - LoneStarGirl (370) bhlloy (390)
CrimsonFox - God (375)

[GoldenEagle]

I am a bit leery of voting for Chief at this point as well. Granted, post 386 was on the weird side, but I am inclined to look at other candidates today. Chief may be a wolf, but he is acting very strange if he is. Then again, it could be a play from a veteran to put us on second or third level thinking.

Chubby has been quiet and I will likely cast a vote for him if things remain between him and BH. Not because of his silence, but because it would be really easy for the wolves to pile votes on top of BH if we let this thing become a runaway.

CF is on my suspicion list because of his edited post. Perhaps he revealed something that was intended more for the other wolves? But that is probably not a route to go today, I just wanted to bring up that possibility.

[CrimsonFox]

I was typing a sentence and forgot a word and went back to fix it. Seeing it was 5:27 in the morning and I hadn't slept yet, that is the reason. MAke fun of me sure, but wolfy move? Please. No way anyone would say "And my the way I'm a wolf. Oops! I'm going to edit that so you don't see it."

unvote chief
vote GE

[bhlloy]

Now that seems a tad defensive CF even if I do say so myself

Ouch, what is that stabbing pain in my side? Bad CF

[GoldenEagle]

That is your traditional overreaction from CF. He will unvote me before long and vote for someone else.

VOTE CHUBBY

Hopefully the earlier I get this vote out there the sooner we will see some movement.

[Autumn]

I am an easy target. This is a win win for the wolves.

A. I am acknowledged to be a strong player.
B. I am quiet this game so far (for whatever reason)
C. Quiet players tend to be voted out to rule them out.

Given these facts, if I am a wolf, I encourage the run on citizen Chief. My vote doesn't look odd, given that Chief is being "suspiciously" quiet. If it doesn't work, I have at least introduced doubt on Chief and maybe don't need to use a night kill to kill him. If it does work, I have killed off a strong player.

Keep in mind this is exactly my thinking on why a wolf Chief votes Danny yesterday.

[CrimsonFox]

unvote ge
vote bhlloy

[Passacaglia]

I am an easy target. This is a win win for the wolves.

A. I am acknowledged to be a strong player.
B. I am quiet this game so far (for whatever reason)
C. Quiet players tend to be voted out to rule them out.

Given these facts, if I am a wolf, I encourage the run on citizen Chief. My vote doesn't look odd, given that Chief is being "suspiciously" quiet. If it doesn't work, I have at least introduced doubt on Chief and maybe don't need to use a night kill to kill him. If it does work, I have killed off a strong player.

No offense, but I think your reputation as a strong player is overdone. And I'm not saying that I don't think you're a strong player, but because you're the only one who actually uses that as a reason to not be lynched. If you're a strong player, you're a strong wolf, so let's not use this as an argument to not lynch you, kay?

VOTE CHIEF RUM

[GoldenEagle]

unvote ge
vote bhlloy

Heh. ;)

[CrimsonFox]

bhlloy - Danny (341) Narcizo (353) CF (403)
Chief - Autumn (364) Julio (377) Pass (404)
Chubby - LoneStarGirl (370) bhlloy (390) GE (401)
CrimsonFox - God (375)

[CrimsonFox]

Heh. ;)


I do think that was a horrible reason to suspect me though. A very wolfy thing to say.

[Autumn]

I thought it would be interesting to look at who

A) Jumped on bhlloy who very early after dawn looked likely to be a contender.
B) Who jumped on Chief who CF and I made a second contender
C) Who jumped on Chubby who I offered up as silent and a pretty safe vote.

Narc is the only one to follow Danny on A. Julio, Bhlloy, LoneStarGirl and GoldenEagle did B and C, and frankly that's a list I like a lot today was wolf candidates. LSG has been following the crowd and posting the sort of neutral, uncontroversial posts that I used to do when I was a wolf. GoldenEagle is doing the opposite, casting everyone in a bad light, but leaving himself waffle room. Bhlloy hasn't gathered the sort of votes I expected, and Julio either. I think that's a great quartet to look at closely. Since two of them have voting history already from yesterday I will be voting the other two. I still think it's possible LSG just is a bit rusty and is trying to play it safe, so I'll go with GE.

<b>UNVOTE CHIEF RUM
VOTE GOLDEN EAGLE</b>

[CrimsonFox]

hey traction!

unvote bhlloy
vote goldeneagle

[CrimsonFox]

bhlloy - Danny (341) Narcizo (353)
Chief - Julio (377) Pass (404)
Chubby - LoneStarGirl (370) bhlloy (390) GE (401)
CrimsonFox - God (375)
GoldenEagle - Autumn (408) CrimsonFox (409)

[The Jackal]

I don't like the vote on Danny.

VOTE GE

[The Jackal]

I thought I was putting on a second vote, but this doesn't change my mind for now.

[Autumn]

ha ha, the classic run.

[GoldenEagle]

I thought it would be interesting to look at who

A) Jumped on bhlloy who very early after dawn looked likely to be a contender.
B) Who jumped on Chief who CF and I made a second contender
C) Who jumped on Chubby who I offered up as silent and a pretty safe vote.

Narc is the only one to follow Danny on A. Julio, Bhlloy, LoneStarGirl and GoldenEagle did B and C, and frankly that's a list I like a lot today was wolf candidates. LSG has been following the crowd and posting the sort of neutral, uncontroversial posts that I used to do when I was a wolf. GoldenEagle is doing the opposite, casting everyone in a bad light, but leaving himself waffle room. Bhlloy hasn't gathered the sort of votes I expected, and Julio either. I think that's a great quartet to look at closely. Since two of them have voting history already from yesterday I will be voting the other two. I still think it's possible LSG just is a bit rusty and is trying to play it safe, so I'll go with GE.

<b>UNVOTE CHIEF RUM
VOTE GOLDEN EAGLE</b>

That is a bit of reach. How exactly did I jump on Chief? In fact, I clearly stated that we needed to go another direction (post 389).

I also stated the only reason that I voted for Chubby is to see what kind of vote movement we would get. I don't think he is the best choice for today but I was trying to prevent a bit of a runaway on bhlloy.

I am not sure why bhlloy has not gained traction. He has been the vote leader for most of the day.

So really the only criteria I meet on your list is C and that is wishy-washy at best.

[Chief Rum]

No offense, but I think your reputation as a strong player is overdone. And I'm not saying that I don't think you're a strong player, but because you're the only one who actually uses that as a reason to not be lynched. If you're a strong player, you're a strong wolf, so let's not use this as an argument to not lynch you, kay?

VOTE CHIEF RUM

Well, hey, if I can use my rep as a strong player to avoid being lynched, of course I will. ;)

[CrimsonFox]

:popcorn:

[Chief Rum]

What's the case on bhlloy? Is it:

A. He was a Day One candidate
B. Rinse and repeat?

[CrimsonFox]

What's the case on bhlloy? Is it:

A. He was a Day One candidate
B. Rinse and repeat?


I think he was always a teenage werewolf

[CrimsonFox]

*also

[GoldenEagle]

What's the case on bhlloy? Is it:

A. He was a Day One candidate
B. Rinse and repeat?

I think JAG mentioned in something in post 207. He tried to suggest Julio was the convert and the bhlloy had a suspicious action shortly afterwards.

[CrimsonFox]

I don't know about bhll either way but he acted like this in Portal too. More aggressive than usual. I like it actually :)

[Passacaglia]

Well, hey, if I can use my rep as a strong player to avoid being lynched, of course I will. ;)

I hear ya. It'll get a vote from me every time, but hey, more power to ya! :)

[CrimsonFox]

bhlloy - Danny (341) Narcizo (353)
Chief - Julio (377) Pass (404)
Chubby - LoneStarGirl (370) bhlloy (390) GE (401)
CrimsonFox - God (375)
GoldenEagle - Autumn (408) CrimsonFox (409) Jackal (411)

[Autumn]

That is a bit of reach. How exactly did I jump on Chief? In fact, I clearly stated that we needed to go another direction (post 389).

I also stated the only reason that I voted for Chubby is to see what kind of vote movement we would get. I don't think he is the best choice for today but I was trying to prevent a bit of a runaway on bhlloy.

I am not sure why bhlloy has not gained traction. He has been the vote leader for most of the day.

So really the only criteria I meet on your list is C and that is wishy-washy at best.

Yes, I was not suggested you met all those criteria. You meet only C, you voted for Chubby. I am guessing that a wolf is going to try to jump on one of these easy votes (unless that vote is for a fellow wolf). So I composed my suspect list from people who did it. You happen to be on it and seemed my strongest bet out of those four.

I'm not sure if Bhlloy didn't get more votes because people were prematurely worried about a runaway or what.

[CrimsonFox]

Getting some shuteye. Try not to lynch me if you can stand it. I will be back.

[GoldenEagle]

LoneStarGirl and GoldenEagle did B and C

See the quoted part. Now you are claiming that I only did C, but clearly you state here that I did both B and C. It seems you are building a false case against me and that your logic is very flawed, leading you to just making stuff up at this point.

The question is why? Are you a wolf who is trying to save one of the other players? At the time, bhlloy, Chief, and Chubby were all lynch candidates. So you invented a candidate to come out of left field on faulty logic.

That does not compute to me.

So the question is why me? You saw that CF was on and hinting at voting for me. You also know that he is an easily influenced player. So you said, why not, let's see if I can get a run going on GE to distract the village from one of the other candidates.

[GoldenEagle]

Heh. I asked two questions in the same post.

[Passacaglia]

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[britrock88]

My thoughts as I am rushing out the door to work.

Oh and if I misspell your name take it as a compliment that I dont care enough to look at previous posts and see its correct spelling.

I think we can all agree that Britrock88's comment about the 10:01 vote raises some concerns and appears to be him covering his ass. Maybe he's a wolf who knew DV would be a good guy?

I also wouldn't put a lot of stock in Jag's voting pattern, although I appreciate NarciZo's detailed analysis of all of our votes. Since he was on team Badass instead of a WW he didn't know the rest of the good guys and his vote was probably as random as any villager.

And it might raise some suspicion that Chief wasn't present today, but I don't think its enough to lynch him when there was enough dialog to analyze on day one.

Dislike this comment a lot. And not just because it would have resulted in me biting it. Smacks of covering oneself should DV turn out to have a role.

It was really just a case of being out and using a smartphone as best as I could at deadline. The Day 1 conversation revolved around us being less than completely willing to lynch inactives, which DV was. I had voted him earlier, and I didn't see much of a better option (in terms of a more active player to vote for) until right at the deadline, when the momentum swung toward Narc. Though I'm pretty new and not sure I buy into the idea wholesale of saving inactives until they can defend themselves, I was willing to do it for the good of the group.

Now, to re-read what's been happening today and figure out the difference between bhlloy, Chief Rum, Chubby, and GoldenEagle...

[Julio Riddols]

The more Chief says, the more scared I am that he could be an excellent wolf.

[Autumn]

See the quoted part. Now you are claiming that I only did C, but clearly you state here that I did both B and C. It seems you are building a false case against me and that your logic is very flawed, leading you to just making stuff up at this point.

While I could ahve been more precise with my language, I think it's understandable what I meant. And it's interesting that you did not quote the entire sentence, which I think, along with a look at the voting record, makes very obvious what I meant.

There were four people who followed onto either Chubby or Chief. You were one of those four. That is what I said in my original post and what I meant.

[GoldenEagle]

While I could ahve been more precise with my language, I think it's understandable what I meant. And it's interesting that you did not quote the entire sentence, which I think, along with a look at the voting record, makes very obvious what I meant.

There were four people who followed onto either Chubby or Chief. You were one of those four. That is what I said in my original post and what I meant.

But you clearly tried to influence a run on me by stating that I did both B and C, while in fact I only did C. And the logic behind me voting for Chubby was to prevent a runaway vote on BH.

If I were wolf, wouldn't the simple thing be to just pile a vote on top of BH? Instead, I didn't want a runaway because we would have to throw away today's voting history. That sounds like a plan to benefit the village and not the wolves.

[Chief Rum]

The more Chief says, the more scared I am that he could be an excellent wolf.

Actually, I think my rep is more about blowing up wolves as a villager. But thanks anyway!

In any case, you have nothing to worry about--I am just a citizen.

[Autumn]

But you clearly tried to influence a run on me by stating that I did both B and C, while in fact I only did C. And the logic behind me voting for Chubby was to prevent a runaway vote on BH.

If I were wolf, wouldn't the simple thing be to just pile a vote on top of BH? Instead, I didn't want a runaway because we would have to throw away today's voting history. That sounds like a plan to benefit the village and not the wolves.

This is what I said. "Narc is the only one to follow Danny on A. Julio, Bhlloy, LoneStarGirl and GoldenEagle did B and C, and frankly that's a list I like a lot today was wolf candidates."

I should have said B or C, not B and C, to be absolutely clear. I was lumping those two categories together to make a list of four subjects.

But you making this out to be some sort of distortion to get you lynched is rather ridiculous. I said the same thing about all four people. I am not trying "to influence a run on you", if so I would be influencing a run on all four of those people.

[Zinto]

I was typing a sentence and forgot a word and went back to fix it. Seeing it was 5:27 in the morning and I hadn't slept yet, that is the reason. MAke fun of me sure, but wolfy move? Please. No way anyone would say "And my the way I'm a wolf. Oops! I'm going to edit that so you don't see it."

unvote chief
vote GE


There was a game when I first started playing when someone did say: "I am a wolf" instead of "I am not a wolf" and they ended being lynched. It turns out they were a wolf.

[GoldenEagle]

This is what I said. "Narc is the only one to follow Danny on A. Julio, Bhlloy, LoneStarGirl and GoldenEagle did B and C, and frankly that's a list I like a lot today was wolf candidates."

I should have said B or C, not B and C, to be absolutely clear. I was lumping those two categories together to make a list of four subjects.

But you making this out to be some sort of distortion to get you lynched is rather ridiculous. I said the same thing about all four people. I am not trying "to influence a run on you", if so I would be influencing a run on all four of those people.

That is exactly what you tried to do.

I am guessing that you picked me as the safe candidate. Again, I already mentioned that CF was buzzing around just waiting to be influenced to swing his vote one way or the other. Being a crafty player, you knew this. You put the AND in that sentence to sway those who don't read as closely as others.

I had my doubts that you were a wolf, but it looks more and more like that. The question is which of the three were you protecting and why?

[Zinto]

Jeez, I think this is the most active I have seen a game before two in a long time.

[Zinto]

GE, you are being very defensive. I doubt a wolf Autumn purposely misleads people into voting for you this early and now that there are people on you I can not see him arguing so much for what he is saying if it could come back and bite his butt so early in the game.

[bhlloy]

I think it's interesting that everyone seemed to agree with JAG that Julio was a possible convert and yet he has no votes on him today. Even if you think I'm a wolf wouldn't that be a better place to put your votes than an unknown?

I'll definitely be interested to go back and look at that this evening when I get home

[Autumn]

That is exactly what you tried to do.

I am guessing that you picked me as the safe candidate. Again, I already mentioned that CF was buzzing around just waiting to be influenced to swing his vote one way or the other. Being a crafty player, you knew this. You put the AND in that sentence to sway those who don't read as closely as others.

I had my doubts that you were a wolf, but it looks more and more like that. The question is which of the three were you protecting and why?

Wow, I was just voting on probabilities, but looks like I've got a live one! You're awfully upset about one vote.

Why are you telling me "exactly what [I] tried to do"? Can you not see that I listed four people who voted for either Chubby or Chief? I mean it's right at the top of the page if you need to read it again. And clearly you do.

[Autumn]

I think it's interesting that everyone seemed to agree with JAG that Julio was a possible convert and yet he has no votes on him today. Even if you think I'm a wolf wouldn't that be a better place to put your votes than an unknown?

I'll definitely be interested to go back and look at that this evening when I get home

I'm not sure that people necessarily agreed with him. I think people were just suggesting that if the wolves believed him, they may have been trying to save Julio, or that if the wolves thought others believed him, they may have been trying to frame him. Neither really speaks to whether JAG was right.

[Autumn]

I think it's interesting that everyone seemed to agree with JAG that Julio was a possible convert and yet he has no votes on him today. Even if you think I'm a wolf wouldn't that be a better place to put your votes than an unknown?

I'll definitely be interested to go back and look at that this evening when I get home

That said, I think Julio is of interest today. I'd like to go back and read yesterday to see how votes moved from both him and you

[Autumn]

That reminds me, I have some vote history but don't have the near-deadline stuff. I'll post what I have at the moment though in case it's useful.

Day 1

narc votes pass
jag votes bhlloy
jag unvotes bhlloy
jag votes narc
danny votes bhlloy
jackal votes darth
britrock votes crimson
crimsonfox votes narc
bhlloy votes julio
julio votes jackal
chief votes danny
darth votes jackal
narc unvotes pass
narc votes bhlloy
lsg votes jackal
lsg unvotes jackal
chubby votes DV
lsg votes narc
jag unvotes narc
jag votes julio
pass votes danny
autumn votes julio
zinto votes bhlloy
julio unvotes jackal
julio votes bhlloy
danny unvotes bhlloy
danny votes julio
julio unvotes bhlloy
julio votes danny
jag unvotes julio
zinto unvotes bhlloy
zinto votes narc
bhlloy unvotes julio
bhlloy votes crimson
JAG votes bhlloy
cf unvotes narc
cf votes bhlloy
brit unvotes crimson
brit votes darth
bhlloy unvotes cf
bhlloy votes darth
cf unvotes bhlloy
cf votes narc
GE votes danny

[Julio Riddols]

I won't be around much after this.. I've been deliberating and considering what Chief said, and it does make enough sense to me.. I don't have the experience to back it up, but no one else seems to be too worried really about the possibility. This interesting back and forth between GE and Autumn is interesting, and Chubby is still conspicuously absent.

I think maybe as a group we should lynch someone who A: isn't helping us and B: cannot be confirmed to be a villager. I can understand carrying the weight, but what if the whole time we're just carrying someone who is silently killing us? I think he is sitting back waiting to see what comes of the votes for GE before he decides where to lay his hat.

If his staying under the radar is any indication of his willingness to wait for the votes to pile up before he makes a move, then I am going to press that button and try to get him to come out.

I just hope I get back tonight before the deadline hits -

UNVOTE CHIEF

VOTE CHUBBY

Would like to ask the rest of the villagers to help Chubby out if he acquits himself well this afternoon. Don't want to lynch a good guy if we don't have to. I trust your judgement.

[Zinto]

I won't be around much after this.. I've been deliberating and considering what Chief said, and it does make enough sense to me.. I don't have the experience to back it up, but no one else seems to be too worried really about the possibility. This interesting back and forth between GE and Autumn is interesting, and Chubby is still conspicuously absent.



Chief is definitely a good wolf, but if we lynched people just because they are good wolves we would end up lynching all the better players. I do not think that lynching someone because they are a good wolf is a good reason to do so.

[bhlloy]

I have to say that spiel makes me feel a little less confident about Julio. There's a whole lot of conditional and CYA in there as far as I can see.

[bhlloy]

Or it could just be a villager talking it out. That would be more in keeping of what I thought I saw from him yesterday

[Zinto]

I think I would like to keep bhlloy in this race since it is turning into a two pony show quick. He was pretty aggressive yesterday and I am not sure that is his usual villager play.

Vote bhlloy

[Narcizo]

Narc's comment here is well after. Which makes me wonder how we would have been better off voting off Narc instead of DV. DV was a citizen--about as worthless as you can get in the game.

That seems like an odd thing to say to me.

Gah come on Chief. I meant at the time, before it became clear that DV was just a vanilla. This kind of feels like you defending Bhlloy.

I tend to agree that Chief is a better wolf than villager. Hoops didn't draft him first as a wolf for no reason. Not overly feeling that he's a wolf here.qqqqq

[Narcizo]

Post 345 Autumn :)

[Zinto]

My fears with voting out Chubby are that he could indeed have a role. It is that same reason that I wasn't too keen on how DV was lynched yesterday. I understand that getting rid of the 'Nilla villagers who don't talk before the game really gets going is a smart thing but I would at least like to hear from him before we get rid of him.

[Zinto]

Post 345 Autumn :)


I wad wondering if you did not do a voting history, I was going to say that it is pretty odd so you must be a wolf!

[Zinto]

I guess I misrepresented the race pulling away with two people in my vote post. For some reason I thought GE and Chubby had four not three votes while bhlloy had two. Seems like I need to work on my reading comprehension this game.

[Narcizo]

Voting Chubby at this stage with what looks like a lot of discussion and arguments seems a bit cheap. I'm all for voting inactives early on but it doesn't seem like this is the optimal game to take that stance, what with the importance of the roles.

[bhlloy]

Zinto - the theory that somebody would ever play more aggressive as a wolf is just bad logic. And seeing that you were around in the portal game and know what role I had there, plus the fact that I've played that way plenty of times in the past makes it even odder to me

[Narcizo]

I want Bhlloy in the race today so I won't be moving my vote.

[Zinto]

Zinto - the theory that somebody would ever play more aggressive as a wolf is just bad logic. And seeing that you were around in the portal game and know what role I had there, plus the fact that I've played that way plenty of times in the past makes it even odder to me


It is not that they would play more aggressive in general, I think I misspoke there, it is that they play more aggressive in trying to defend themselves. I did not really follow along with the portal game after I was killed so I am not sure how you played. I will admit I am going off memories and they could be wrong since I sometimes(most of the time) struggle remembering how every player plays as a wolf or a villager..

[Zinto]

I don't think anyone should use the logic that since Zinto said he was being oddly aggressive we should vote bhlloy since honestly I could be completely wrong about that.

[bhlloy]

Again, I don't think that is the case. I think we think it is the case which is why we tend to never win unless we get a seer on a hot streak.

[Zinto]

With that being said, that is what I think is going on and that is why I voted for you.(I should have made these three posts one but I keep posting and thinking of more to add).

[bhlloy]

Some nice backtracking there Zinto. Are you sure I should be the candidate here and not you?

[Zinto]

I am not backtracking I don't remember a time when you have been this aggressive in defending yourself and been a villager. It is more of my lack of trust in my ability to catch wolves then anything.

[Autumn]

If Chubby never shows up today, I would say we shouldn't lynch him (and hope CF replaces him). But if he is here long enough to defend himself, I think he's very much a valid target. And I think it's good to have votes on him to force him to defend himself if he shows up.

[LoneStarGirl]

Then again maybe "I think we all can agree" is kind of a wolfy thing to say. Why would LSG project that kind of thinking when no one had really mentioned anything before that? Maybe her and the wolves agree on a target.

I'm just gonna sit back and see what happens for a bit.. I will be going on another hike today around 3 pm or so, but I will try and check in around 2 and see what has transpired. It clearly behooves us to make the right move today.

I think you are trying a little too hard with this one. And I have played with Chief Rum before, and although its been a year or so, this is not how I recall him acting when he was a wolf. (And for a stretch there, he was a wolf a lot).

I am going to change my vote from Chubby, even though I would like him to speak up some more today, and put it on you, Julio. Why? Because whenever anybody quotes 6 words and claims its a wolfy thing to say, it screams 'wolf trying to hard!'

unvote Chubby

Vote Julio

[GoldenEagle]

GE, you are being very defensive. I doubt a wolf Autumn purposely misleads people into voting for you this early and now that there are people on you I can not see him arguing so much for what he is saying if it could come back and bite his butt so early in the game.

I guess I get that way when I feel like I am being railroaded by a probable wolf. Autumn is a solid player, but I don't think he is good enough to pool the wool over villages eye's at this point.

[LoneStarGirl]

I have not read page 9 or 10, but I also dont like GE putting the third vote on Chubby. He didn't vote until last minute yesterday and today he votes with 8 hours to spare? Plus Julio put the third vote on Chief when Bhlloy had two votes and Chubby one.

[britrock88]

Dropping by with a tally:

bhlloy - Danny (341) Narcizo (353) Zinto (448)
Chief - Pass (404)
Chubby - bhlloy (390) GE (401) Julio (444)
CrimsonFox - God (375)
GoldenEagle - Autumn (408) CrimsonFox (409) Jackal (411)
Julio - LoneStarGirl (464)

Am I the only one that gets lost in the midst of discussions like today's?

[LoneStarGirl]

Narc is the only one to follow Danny on A. Julio, Bhlloy, LoneStarGirl and GoldenEagle did B and C, and frankly that's a list I like a lot today was wolf candidates. LSG has been following the crowd and posting the sort of neutral, uncontroversial posts that I used to do when I was a wolf. GoldenEagle is doing the opposite, casting everyone in a bad light, but leaving himself waffle room. Bhlloy hasn't gathered the sort of votes I expected, and Julio either. I think that's a great quartet to look at closely. Since two of them have voting history already from yesterday I will be voting the other two. I still think it's possible LSG just is a bit rusty and is trying to play it safe, so I'll go with GE.



I have to say Autumn I really like this analysis. It seems spot on. I am a lot of a bit rusty, but I was always a non controversial player for the first two or three days. I was having second thoughts on GE as well... but was going to see how the day progressed before directing more light to him.

[Autumn]

I guess I get that way when I feel like I am being railroaded by a probable wolf. Autumn is a solid player, but I don't think he is good enough to pool the wool over villages eye's at this point.

I'm not sure if this has been made explicit, but this is a game of Werewolf. You will receive votes, probably for really bad or incorrect reasons. This will happen many times. I'm not sure why you're so irate because of one vote. "Railroading" is a bit overdramatic, don't you think? Of all my abilities in Werewolf, I can tell you that getting people to follow my vote is most definitely not one of them.

[LoneStarGirl]

GE, you are being very defensive. I doubt a wolf Autumn purposely misleads people into voting for you this early and now that there are people on you I can not see him arguing so much for what he is saying if it could come back and bite his butt so early in the game.

I am still not through with page nine or ten.... but I agree. GE didn't have the time of day to post yesterday, but today he was defensive and aggressive well before he received any votes in his honor. I will more than likely change my vote to him, but I dont want my vote to be considered a bandwagon vote, so I am going to keep it on Julio for now.

[GoldenEagle]

I'm not sure if this has been made explicit, but this is a game of Werewolf. You will receive votes, probably for really bad or incorrect reasons. This will happen many times. I'm not sure why you're so irate because of one vote. "Railroading" is a bit overdramatic, don't you think? Of all my abilities in Werewolf, I can tell you that getting people to follow my vote is most definitely not one of them.

Right. And this is Werewolf and I have a right to defend myself. And it was not just one vote. That began a succession of three votes that put me squarely on the hot seat.

And your wording, intentional or not, was suggestive that I had done two things in your list.

[LoneStarGirl]

I think I would like to keep bhlloy in this race since it is turning into a two pony show quick. He was pretty aggressive yesterday and I am not sure that is his usual villager play.

Vote bhlloy

Why Bhlloy and not Julio? Previous posts from other people have indicated that they were willing to put their votes on him to make this a race. Yet nobody has given any evidence to why bhlloy should have votes. This seems almost like a wasted vote.

[britrock88]

dola

GoldenEagle - Autumn (408) CrimsonFox (409) Jackal (411)

The mo is with you this time, Autumn. :D

[LoneStarGirl]

I guess I misrepresented the race pulling away with two people in my vote post. For some reason I thought GE and Chubby had four not three votes while bhlloy had two. Seems like I need to work on my reading comprehension this game.

Just read this. I guess I understand why you voted bhlloy

[LoneStarGirl]

I just read three straight pages of WW and I my thoughts are getting befuddled in my head. I am going to come back later, but I want to draw attention to the fact that GE, Julio and bhlloy all have their votes on Chubby, somebody who is not here to defend himself.

[Autumn]

Right. And this is Werewolf and I have a right to defend myself. And it was not just one vote. That began a succession of three votes that put me squarely on the hot seat.

And your wording, intentional or not, was suggestive that I had done two things in your list.

The whole point of my vote is that I believe wolves are much more likely to piggyback on other people's reasoning rather than presenting a reason to vote a new candidate. So if yo'ure worried about the votes on you, I would be more worried about someone who simply followed me than me, who put my analysis out there.

I don't think anyone's going to vote for you because they think I said you, along with four other people, did B & C in a list, not just C. If they're paying attention they know that B & C are mutually exclusive, and they can see that there are three other people in the same list.

[Autumn]

dola

GoldenEagle - Autumn (408) CrimsonFox (409) Jackal (411)

The mo is with you this time, Autumn. :D

Maybe this will be the time it works!

But CF's vote is as steady as the wind. I predict six more moves before deadline.

[GoldenEagle]

I just read three straight pages of WW and I my thoughts are getting befuddled in my head. I am going to come back later, but I want to draw attention to the fact that GE, Julio and bhlloy all have their votes on Chubby, somebody who is not here to defend himself.

The whole point of me voting for Chubby was to prevent a runaway vote on bhlloy, who believe to be the best candidate for today. I know I clearly stated that.

Chubby is quiet, but that is not the reason that I chose to vote for him.

[bhlloy]

Eh, people coming in claiming vanilla, just tells me, I want to check in but I have nothing to say so I will just tell everyone I am vanilla.

Why Bhlloy and not Julio? Previous posts from other people have indicated that they were willing to put their votes on him to make this a race. Yet nobody has given any evidence to why bhlloy should have votes. This seems almost like a wasted vote.

I made this point earlier, and Autumn made a couple good points, but the longer it goes with no action on Julio makes me more and more confused. He's a possible convert with movement off him yesterday and since then he's put a fly by vote on and disappeared for the day

[LoneStarGirl]

The whole point of me voting for Chubby was to prevent a runaway vote on bhlloy, who believe to be the best candidate for today. I know I clearly stated that.

Chubby is quiet, but that is not the reason that I chose to vote for him.

Regardless of when you stated it, things have obviously changed since you voted for him. Plus you never said why you believed bhlloy was the best candidate... in fact nobody really did except in reference to some obscure post somebody wrote on page one or two. There is a three way tie right now, are you going to keep your vote where it is?

[GoldenEagle]

Maybe this will be the time it works!

But CF's vote is as steady as the wind. I predict six more moves before deadline.

He went from me to bhlloy back to me in the span of ten minutes. :)

[LoneStarGirl]

I made this point earlier, and Autumn made a couple good points, but the longer it goes with no action on Julio makes me more and more confused. He's a possible convert with movement off him yesterday and since then he's put a fly by vote on and disappeared for the day

I can understand why you dont vote for Julio since your butt is on the line today, but I dont understand the run on you bhlloy.

[bhlloy]

As for my vote being on Chubby, I really want him to show up and talk. Same reason I had a vote on CF for a long time yesterday

[EagleFan]

As of 482:

bhlloy 3 - Danny (341), Narcizo (353), Zinto (448)
GoldenEagle 3 - Autumn (408), CrimsonFox (409), The Jackal (411)
Chubby 3 - bhlloy (390), GoldenEagle (401), Julio Ridols (444)
Chief 1 - Passacaglia (404)
CrimsonFox 1 - God (375)
Julio Ridols 1 - LoneStarGirl (464)

Let me know if that missed anything.

[GoldenEagle]

The whole point of my vote is that I believe wolves are much more likely to piggyback on other people's reasoning rather than presenting a reason to vote a new candidate. So if yo'ure worried about the votes on you, I would be more worried about someone who simply followed me than me, who put my analysis out there.

I don't think anyone's going to vote for you because they think I said you, along with four other people, did B & C in a list, not just C. If they're paying attention they know that B & C are mutually exclusive, and they can see that there are three other people in the same list.

Your argument is that because I voted for Chubby I am latching on to someone else's idea and therefore I must be a wolf. My argument is that I voted for Chubby to try to keep things close and prevent a runaway vote.

If I were a wolf, it would be so much easier for me to just vote for bhlloy.

[EagleFan]

Though, it would go down in WW lore if CF came back and edited a few more posts to become the first player to solely lynch himself. :)

[LoneStarGirl]

As for my vote being on Chubby, I really want him to show up and talk. Same reason I had a vote on CF for a long time yesterday

I voted for Chubby initially for the same reason. But if he didn't come and talk yesterday because he is busy in rl, then what makes y'all think he's going to come talk today?

[LoneStarGirl]

Ok, nevermind. Chubby is here. Let him talk his way out of those votes.

[Chubby]

I'll cast my lot in on one of the inactives, just to try and get them to talk. CR has shown up so tha leaves

Vote Chubby

As misguided as Danny is he feels like villager Danny. Narc I am not so sure. Seems like he is playing the same game as last time, which is a little concerning swing how that one ended up.

Britrock - ill give him a second game pass for now. At least he is around clos to deadline and making votes in timely manners

im not inactive, i just don't have much to contribute on day 1. it's a crapshoot. just got home from work so i'm still catching up

[GoldenEagle]

Regardless of when you stated it, things have obviously changed since you voted for him. Plus you never said why you believed bhlloy was the best candidate... in fact nobody really did except in reference to some obscure post somebody wrote on page one or two. There is a three way tie right now, are you going to keep your vote where it is?

If the deadline were right now, I would change my vote to bhlloy for self-perseverance.

The argument for bhlloy is the only confirmed villager (JAG) made a point about Julio being the possible convert and that he was signaling for the wolves to come get him so to speak.

JAG then pointed out that bholly moved his vote off Julio shortly after, as he perhaps picked up on the signal as well.

So essentially we have the only confirmed villager (besides DV, but he didn't give us anything) suggesting that we should take a hard look at bholly.

[Chubby]

My fears with voting out Chubby are that he could indeed have a role. It is that same reason that I wasn't too keen on how DV was lynched yesterday. I understand that getting rid of the 'Nilla villagers who don't talk before the game really gets going is a smart thing but I would at least like to hear from him before we get rid of him.

the problem with this line of thinking is that you are now advocating for roles to be talkative and put themselves out there vs maybe trying to stradle that fine line in between.

i'm not roled, a lynch of me doesn't hurt us inthe "big picture" so i'm not stressed about it. of course, i still want to keep playing

[Chubby]

If Chubby never shows up today, I would say we shouldn't lynch him (and hope CF replaces him). But if he is here long enough to defend himself, I think he's very much a valid target. And I think it's good to have votes on him to force him to defend himself if he shows up.

sheesh, i voted day 1. i didn't post a ton of stuff because, it IS day 1 :)

i apologize for missing last game, i got swamped at work and forgot I jumped back into WW

[Chubby]

so I guess it's going to be a 3 way race (unless maybe it gets whittled down). both of the other 2 in the race are already on me

i don't really see my vote placing any added pressure on either of them yet and I don't want to start a run either so i'm not going to vote until i can get a better read off of them

[bhlloy]

If the deadline were right now, I would change my vote to bhlloy for self-perseverance.

The argument for bhlloy is the only confirmed villager (JAG) made a point about Julio being the possible convert and that he was signaling for the wolves to come get him so to speak.

JAG then pointed out that bholly moved his vote off Julio shortly after, as he perhaps picked up on the signal as well.

So essentially we have the only confirmed villager (besides DV, but he didn't give us anything) suggesting that we should take a hard look at bholly.

Which is a lovely theory but if people believe that then why isn't the guy who would have to be the convert up here with me instead of all the votes hidden on CR and Chubby

[GoldenEagle]

Which is a lovely theory but if people believe that then why isn't the guy who would have to be the convert up here with me instead of all the votes hidden on CR and Chubby

My guess is we really don't know the role of the convert yet. We have no clue what the conversion mechanism is in this game. EagleFan said he had his own set of victory conditions which may or may not involve The Runners.

[Zinto]

Why is everyone so convinced that there is a conversion? I don't see anything in the rules about there being one.

[Zinto]

So voting for Julio because he would be "a good target for conversion" doesn't make any sense unless some of you know something I do not. So that is my question why are so many of you convinced there is a conversion?

[bhlloy]

I think it's hinted at pretty strongly in Ronnie's description

[Zinto]

I also don't understand why people are making a case for Julio and complaining that no one is voting for him and then not voting for him themselves. We are far enough away from the deadline that you could get interest from people voting him.

[Passacaglia]

Why is everyone so convinced that there is a conversion? I don't see anything in the rules about there being one.

I'm only skimming here, but if you'll recall last game, there was talk about how we were all vanilla villagers on Day 1. IIRC, it was all wolves who said that, and they were saying it because they knew they were all vanilla villagers Day 1. Maybe that's what's going on here.